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Site "Peacemaker" called to shoot the "Moscow priests"

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The infamous Ukrainian site “Peacemaker” published a statement in which he called the clergymen of the Russian Orthodox Church "combat units" of Russia and called on the Ukrainian military to shoot clergymen of the Russian Orthodox Church "at the slightest threat to life." The text of the statement was posted on the project page on Facebook.


Site "Peacemaker" called to shoot the "Moscow priests"


Every warrior of Ukraine should remember: Moscow and pro-Moscow priests are fighting units of the Russian aggressor, there is nothing sacred there, and an automatic can be hidden under the cassock. When checking - no exceptions and only a more thorough inspection. At the slightest threat to life - shoot without thinking
- the report says.

Recall that the Peacemaker regularly makes scandalous publications in which it publishes personal data of journalists, Donbas militias, as well as any other citizens whose position does not coincide with the opinion of the Ukrainian authorities.

Site activity has been repeatedly criticized. For example, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, called the publication “a direct call for reprisal,” and OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media, Dunya Miyatovic, called the entries on the site “an alarming step that could jeopardize the safety of journalists even more.”
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 March 2018 08: 44
    +17
    Rat Ukrokaklovskaya fuss. They will necessarily be credited ... in the verdict. angry
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 08: 55
      +18
      Quote: aszzz888
      Rat Ukrokaklovskaya fuss. They will necessarily be credited ... in the verdict. angry

      The West incites them to the Russian Orthodox Church and our liberalism is already fighting in the epilepsy at the word Orthodox faith ! All right guys ..
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 9 March 2018 09: 06
        +11
        Site "Peacemaker" called to shoot the "Moscow priests"

        Russophobometer in the 404th has long been decommissioned, because could not bear the load ... fool
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 March 2018 10: 25
          +8
          hi
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Russophobometer in the 404th has long been decommissioned, because could not bear the load ...

          The most interesting thing is that the local Jews were very successful in this. It is strange that what seems to be considered a very “smart and wise nation” does not understand the main thing, that after the Russians, Bandera will accept the Jews, and they don’t hide it. What are the Jews of Ukraine hoping for? What time to escape to Israel?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 9 March 2018 10: 36
            +5
            hi
            Quote: svp67
            What are the Jews of Ukraine hoping for? What time to escape to Israel?

            Not necessarily - they can also ski in the USA or Canada. Apparently, they count on having time to notice the change in the vector of aggression in their direction in time.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 9 March 2018 11: 04
              +9
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              ... Not necessarily - they can also ski in the USA or Canada. Apparently, they count on having time to notice the change in the vector of aggression in their direction on time ...

              pasha hi
              Why argue hypothetically, take a look at a very recent story
              Benya Kolomoisky is one of the sponsors of the Maidan coup, organizer of the most odious, Nazi battalion Azov.
              It smelled of fried and Benya smeared skis, kosher fat, and rushed to Switzerland (real estate and family in Israel).
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 9 March 2018 11: 15
                +3
                Hi Andrey! hi Benny is a good example. I hope that not everyone will have time to "make legs" and at least someone will fall under the distribution.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 9 March 2018 11: 28
                  +6
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  ... I hope that not everyone will have time to "make legs" and at least someone will fall under the distribution ...

                  If only under the "distribution" fell involved.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 9 March 2018 11: 37
                    +3
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    If only under the "distribution" fell involved.

                    Yes, but these cunning zods have already found the “switchmen” ahead of time - I have no doubt about that.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 9 March 2018 11: 51
                      +7
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      ... already ahead of time we found the "switchmen" ...

                      In fact of the matter.
                      In the search for the guilty, those who did not have time to lubricate the heels, will head the columns of the discontented and in righteous anger, the talk of retaliation will burst.
                      Between the slogans - they will point a finger at whom "revenge is taken".
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 9 March 2018 12: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        In the search for the guilty, those who did not have time to lubricate the heels, will head the columns of the discontented and in righteous anger, the talk of retaliation will burst.
                        Between the slogans - they will point a finger at whom "revenge is taken".

                        Classic: Louder than all "Hold the thief!" the thief shouts. And after all there will be those who heed these calls without much reasoning.
              2. svp67
                svp67 9 March 2018 12: 36
                0
                Quote: Andrey K
                sought to Switzerland (real estate and family in Israel).

                And Swiss citizenship ...
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 9 March 2018 11: 59
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            What are the Jews of Ukraine hoping for?

            Strange, but most of the acquaintances of the Jews, after the last Maidan, sharply became patriots of Ukraine. In the next entrance lives one such. He himself lived in Israel for 10 years, and now he carries not only one, but two Ukrainian flags in the car (one in front and one in the back). This is what I understand as a patriot. laughing The other one, in order not to work, enrolled in the ATO, he thought as once in the Soviet Army, he would trade left in the solarium. He returned without health, without money, and now everyone is complaining about "injustice."
            1. svp67
              svp67 9 March 2018 12: 37
              0
              Quote: Orionvit
              and as many as two Ukrainian flags

              He forgets the old wisdom that they will hit not on the flag, but on the face ...
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 9 March 2018 12: 41
                0
                You should have seen these "faces", there is nowhere to put a sample. And nothing, patriots, their mother.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 9 March 2018 12: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  You should have seen these "faces", there is nowhere to put a sample. And nothing, patriots, their mother.

                  Exactly a century ago, in the same places there was something similar ...
                  In April 1917, representatives of Jewish organizations participated in the All-Ukrainian National Congress, which was held in an atmosphere of national upsurge. Almost a thousand of its delegates, who represented the regions of Ukraine, unanimously approved the foundations of the policy of the Central Council. The chairman of the Council of the United Jewish Organizations of Kiev G. Bykhovsky concluded his welcoming speech with words of admiration and gratitude to the leader of the Ukrainian movement M. S. Grushevsky and the entire Ukrainian people. To the applause and exclamations “Glory!” Grushevsky went up to Bykhovsky and they kissed. From the Jewish Social Democratic parties, the congress welcomed Kagan, speaking in Yiddish.

                  The appeal of the interim bureau of the Ukrainian Main Committee of the Bund noted: "In unity with the revolutionary proletariat and under the leadership of the Directory, the hetman landowner-bourgeois reactionary power was thrown down ... Only power based on the socialist proletariat and revolutionary peasantry can satisfy the social and national interests of the working classes of the UPR." In the same way, the Directorate welcomed the Directory. The newspaper "Jewish Thought" emphasized the location of the Jews towards S. Petliura as the Chief Ataman of the Ukrainian army.
                  And this is after the Jewish pogroms that have already occurred ...
                  1. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 9 March 2018 16: 41
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    And this is after the Jewish pogroms that have already occurred.

                    And the Germans neighing with them like from the last clowns. How can one proclaim an "independent republic" when the occupying army of another state is in the territory of the "capital"?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 9 March 2018 16: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Orionvit
                      As it is possible to proclaim an "independent republic", while in the territory of the "capital" of the occupying army of another state.

                      You are a little confused. Under Petliura, the Germans were no longer there.
                      1. Orionvit
                        Orionvit 9 March 2018 16: 50
                        0
                        They were in Kiev from the very beginning. Only their clowning did not interfere.
          3. Maverick78
            Maverick78 9 March 2018 12: 17
            +3
            No, everything has already been read there. When the devils try to take up the Jews, the whole "civilized world" will take over them. As a result, they will be disposed of, all that is possible and that can not be written off to them, and the Jews will be again recorded in the victims
            1. svp67
              svp67 9 March 2018 12: 38
              0
              Quote: Maverick78
              As a result, they will be disposed of, all that is possible and that can not be written off to them, and the Jews will be again recorded in the victims

              By the way, a possible scenario
          4. zoolu350
            zoolu350 9 March 2018 19: 29
            0
            No, Zionists (fascists) plan that Ukrainians (like Germans) also, for the actions of the banderlogs of ukroreich, who were prepared by Zionists (fascists), will pay them compensation.
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      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 09: 12
        +15
        Quote: Svarog
        And we, judging by the interview of Soloviev, contributed to this ..

        “Contributed” and “failed to prevent” are still somewhat different things, no?
        But Ukraine stupidly bought. Who, from three times guess yourself, I hope. Fortunately, the “material” is quite suitable there, they searched for a long time to whom to sell more expensive yes
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 March 2018 12: 10
          +6
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Svarog
          And we, judging by the interview of Soloviev, contributed to this ..

          “Contributed” and “failed to prevent” are still somewhat different things, no?
          But Ukraine stupidly bought. Who, from three times guess yourself, I hope. Fortunately, the “material” is quite suitable there, they searched for a long time to whom to sell more expensive yes

          Golovan, good to see you again laughing The fact that they bought Ukraine is indisputable .. It's about our foreign policy regarding the border state .. In an interview with Solovyov, Putin says that he gave the command to Yanukovych so that he would not use troops .. And he gave this command , after a call from America .. That is, that the Americans gave Yeltsin the Central Administration, that Putin .. And Putin then laments .. they say the Americans fooled .. what is Solovyov afraid, he asks .. they say not the first time .. but Putin’s answer killed at all .. yes, but this time, very brazenly deceived .. I have a question, do we have such a naive president? I’m cheating with Ukraine, with Libya, Georgia, and he believes everything ...
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 12: 14
            +5
            Quote: Svarog
            In an interview with Soloviev, Putin saysthat it was he who gave the command to Yanukovych so that he wouldn’t use the troops .. And he gave this command, after calling from America ..

            If possible, give an exact link to this "says". And the time on the roller when specifically speaking.
            I tried to find something similar, I did not succeed.
            Thank you yes
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 9 March 2018 19: 33
          0
          Stupidly could buy only the top, but not all the people. And the oligarchy of the Russian Federation leaked Ukraine extremely wretchedly, you can try to whitewash its actions once again, but you will be rolled out again.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 19: 36
            +4
            Quote: zoolu350
            Stupidly could buy only the top, but not all the people

            Mafynka, no one even says that they bought all the Ukrainians to the last.
            Bought the top. The lower classes, as always, were fooled and propagandized.
            Quote: zoolu350
            be rolled again

            * wake up - it is a masterpiece laughing
            Mafynka love
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 9 March 2018 20: 43
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              , no one says that they bought all the Ukrainians to the last.
              Bought the top. The lower classes, as always, were fooled and propagandized.

              And what did your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation do to prevent this?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 20: 45
                +4
                Quote: zoolu350
                And what did your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation do

                You messed up something again.
                I have no owners, I am my own yes
                Quote: zoolu350
                what would prevent this?

                What - "this"? And why - "what"?

                Mafynka love
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 9 March 2018 20: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack

                  What - "this"? And why - "what"?

                  The transformation of Ukraine into the patrimony of the owners of the Fed and the banderlog nest, dog.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 20: 55
                    +4
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    The transformation of Ukraine into the patrimony of the owners of the Fed and the banderlog nest

                    Well done. So it is more or less clear.
                    I explain in a popular way: to compete in the purchase of real estate (and Ukraine is real estate) with a competitor who can print world money - unreal.
                    The main word is highlighted. little redso that you understand.

                    Mafynka love
                    1. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 9 March 2018 21: 02
                      +2
                      In this world, everything is for sale, so competing with the owners of the Fed is unrealistic everywhere. How wretched Golovan you whitewash the actions of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation for there are always others (not monetary forms of opposition). His faithful doggy serves poorly to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 21: 05
                        +4
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        Everything is for sale in this world.

                        This is not true yes
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        it means to compete with the owners of the Fed is unrealistic everywhere

                        This is also not so. wink
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        you whitewash the actions of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation

                        Why would this be?
                        Moreover, in Ukraine, as you say, there were just no actions request
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        there are always others (not monetary forms of reaction)

                        Two ATGMs in one place? The oligarchy?
                        Go ahead, I'm with two hands FOR laughing
      2. krops777
        krops777 9 March 2018 09: 13
        +4
        And we, judging by the interview of Solovyov, contributed to this.


        Have we contributed? The fact that they did not feed the Soviet Union as a Soviet Union, enough of enough. If you want democracy to continue to play it.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 9 March 2018 12: 19
          +1
          No, they supported anyone, if only they did not bark right at Russia.
      3. taiga2018
        taiga2018 9 March 2018 10: 36
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        and many still put Putin on foreign policy.

        you are bent, 5, a solid C grade, and that is only because before him Russia did not have its foreign policy at all ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 9 March 2018 10: 58
          +1
          Before him, the entire fleet was standing near the wall, because fuel and lubricants was a dream, and you are talking about foreign policy and the place of Russia.

          Election driven appraisers of Russian foreign policy
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 9 March 2018 11: 04
            +3
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            Election driven appraisers of Russian foreign policy

            that’s why they are elections, to see what has been done, what could be done, and what should not have been done, and most importantly, what is going to be done ...
      4. St Petrov
        St Petrov 9 March 2018 10: 53
        +5
        and many still put Putin on foreign policy.


        how easy it is to put a mark on the one who is busy from the sofa. Yes? Sit on the forum to talk about what kind of rating to put to Putin. You have not yet grown the line to deal with this issue so if

        PS Putin offered Ukraine 18 billion - they thought it was not enough. Offered gas at a ridiculous price and entry into the vehicle. Ukrainians would live in chocolate and GDP would grow as on Yeast.

        So not even the essence of the bubble, but in the mriy. If a Ukrainian considered money, he would live like the Israelis.

        Ukrainian thinks different. He counts dead cows from a neighbor. He has no time for earning

        So the USA revived GUAM on the wreckage of Russia.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 March 2018 12: 24
          +7
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          how easy it is to put a mark on the one who is busy from the sofa. Yes? Sit on the forum to talk about what kind of rating to put to Putin. You have not yet grown the line to deal with this issue so if

          Petrov, Putin is a president who has been ruling for 18 years and is going to a new term .. A voter, if he is not a fanatic, is obliged to evaluate what the president is doing and how this ultimately affects the life of the voter .. The results, as we see sad, are positive aspects only in the army, otherwise complete opa ..

          Quote: s-t Petrov
          PS Putin offered Ukraine 18 billion - they thought it was not enough. Offered gas at a ridiculous price and entry into the vehicle. Ukrainians would live in chocolate and GDP would grow as on Yeast.

          This action was too belated .. The Ukrainian elite needed to be "educated", "raised" since the 2000s. Just as the Americans do it .. It is clear that you object, then it was not up to them .. But judging by the interview with Solovyov, the Americans still give TsU to Putin .. that is, and now they are not up to them ... As a result, they got the enemy on the border.

          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Ukrainian thinks different. He counts dead cows from a neighbor. He has no time for earning

          I agree with that. laughing Ukrainians have a specific mentality .. but this must be simply taken into account in the policy pursued with respect to Ukrainians. I can easily understand if we forget about Venezuela, Cuba .. and. td. But there must be order on our borders.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 9 March 2018 16: 39
            +3
            About the delay in actions is correct, but this is not the only point ... these billions would not be needed at all if work had to be done with the elite and with people. As a result, in this situation, there was no one to rely on, for the numerous forces advocating friendship with Russia were scattered, without information support at the local level. Without their media and public organizations. And all this could be created for much less money.
      5. sabakina
        sabakina 9 March 2018 11: 31
        +5
        Vladimir, perhaps you are a good tactician, I’m keeping silent about the strategist.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 March 2018 12: 27
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          Vladimir, perhaps you are a good tactician, I’m keeping silent about the strategist.

          So I ask questions here, maybe someone from good strategists will explain what the strategy is? Well, maybe you can do it? hi
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 9 March 2018 12: 32
            +3
            Vova, I would love to, but I'm not even a platoon ....
    3. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 9 March 2018 08: 59
      +7
      The bastards have completely lost their human appearance.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 March 2018 09: 04
        +3
        "OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media, Dunja Mijatović, described the site’s records as" an alarming move that could further jeopardize the safety of journalists. "
        Photos used: http://sdrvdv.ru/"And what next? Your wards after all. More precisely, "your bastards" ..
        Quote: Spartanez300
        The bastards have completely lost their human appearance.
      2. Masya masya
        Masya masya 9 March 2018 11: 50
        +5
        Quote: Spartanez300
        The bastards have completely lost their human appearance.

        There is no exorcism on them !!! preferably through fire ... fire brings purification ...
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 9 March 2018 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Rat Ukrokaklovskaya fuss

      This is no longer fuss, this is a call for a religious war. For all the hearing loss of the Ukrainian authorities, I doubt that they themselves have come to this. And in confirmation of my words - dead silence from the most important democracy
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 March 2018 09: 35
        +2
        This is just a call to war. The priests are the same citizens of Russia. And I'm not interested in what and how they will react with the shit, but as the reaction of our authorities.
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: aszzz888
        Rat Ukrokaklovskaya fuss

        This is no longer fuss, this is a call for a religious war. For all the hearing loss of the Ukrainian authorities, I doubt that they themselves have come to this. And in confirmation of my words - dead silence from the most important democracy
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 9 March 2018 10: 07
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          This is just a call to war. The priests are the same citizens of Russia. And I'm not interested in what and how they will react with the shit, but as the reaction of our authorities.

          Can we talk about different clergy?
          As I understand it, the conversation is about Ukrainian citizens who are priests of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine itself.
          What kind of citizens are they in Russia?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 9 March 2018 12: 05
            0
            Quote .. "Moscow and pro-Moscow priests" .. Including the citizens of Russia ..
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: 210ox
            This is just a call to war. The priests are the same citizens of Russia. And I'm not interested in what and how they will react with the shit, but as the reaction of our authorities.

            Can we talk about different clergy?
            As I understand it, the conversation is about Ukrainian citizens who are priests of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine itself.
            What kind of citizens are they in Russia?
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 9 March 2018 12: 57
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              Quote .. "Moscow and pro-Moscow priests" .. Including the citizens of Russia ..

              For modern Ukraine, just one mention is enough to declare an enemy, evidence in the modern world is no longer relevant.
    5. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 9 March 2018 09: 29
      0
      A normal sane person will never call for the killing of priests, so the conversation with them should be short.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 9 March 2018 09: 56
        +2
        Quote: Spartanez300
        conversation with them should be short


        And WITH THEM, NOW AT ALL, NO NEED TO SPEAK !!!

        I think so.*
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 9 March 2018 10: 51
          +2
          I do not understand surprise, recalling those churches that burned in the Donbass from APU shells
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 08: 45
    +9
    Russia has always held on to the Orthodox faith .. At all times! Stalin even understood that ..
    And the cry "Orthodox Slavs do not shame Mother Russia" has always been and will be in our hearts ..! God bless the Russian squads ..
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 9 March 2018 08: 58
      +7
      In my opinion Mikhan is not right with “Orthodoxy” - our people are not the only Slavs and no one sat out in dashing years. I think so.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: ML-334
        In my opinion Mikhan is not right with “Orthodoxy” - our people are not the only Slavs and no one sat out in dashing years. I think so.

        We are a multinational country, I agree, but the cementing composition has always been Russians, Slavs in the dashing years .. Agree? soldier And we especially did not stick this out during the Soviet era, we were the Soviet people! Excuse me now. we also have national pride and we will say it !!! We were silent, so no offense hi
        1. ML-334
          ML-334 9 March 2018 10: 52
          +1
          I have a problem - two concessions for my ancestors, Islam and Orthodoxy, were mixed in me, and they were all Russian.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 13: 50
            +1
            Quote: ML-334
            I have a problem - two concessions for my ancestors, Islam and Orthodoxy, were mixed in me, and they were all Russian.

            I know, just while the Russians are being beaten here .. Let me brush it off myself! hi Better not run into this disassembly .. We ourselves have yet to ..!
            1. ML-334
              ML-334 9 March 2018 14: 02
              +1
              Good luck in a difficult battle!
              1. Vitaly Anisimov
                Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 16: 21
                0
                Quote: ML-334
                Good luck in a difficult battle!

                Thank ! we all try, but very hard .. angry
    2. Saburov
      Saburov 9 March 2018 09: 19
      +14
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia has always held on to the Orthodox faith .. At all times! Stalin even understood that ..


      Oh really? The church has always been a corporation. And she always fell under the strong. Throughout human history, the church has been inextricably linked with the state (a convenient lever of pressure on the minds and a good way of extra income.). Moreover, there is a certain pattern: the worse it is in a country with education, an economy and a social component, the more this country is “religious” (we do not take the OAI and the SA as an example, since their entire economy is a raw material and foreign education). In the 20 century, all normal countries separated the church from the state (including the USSR). Now is the 21 century, Russia is actively clericalizing secular society and its components, which clearly indicates the reasons that I described above. And the church is now poisoning stories about how they “helped” in the Second World War of the USSR, what “significance” they had in the life of the state, that historians and archivists stand up with hair on their heads.




      PS The main task of the church is to explain to a person why he lives poorly, that he needs to warm, and that everyone will be counted in the next world. And the worst thing is when the Patriarch with a golden watch in his hands and traveling on a maybach teaches people humility and modesty.

      Sincerely.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 10: 15
        +2
        Quote: Saburov
        Oh really? The church has always been a corporation.

        Yes, they heard it more than once ... hi
        Vera, it’s in our souls and you don’t etch it with your dirty fingers and “your media” ..
        Why is it all about the synagogues are silent .. hehe
        The church is now poisoning stories about how they "helped" in the Second World War of the USSR, what "significance" they had in the life of the state, which historians and Archivists hair on his head stand on end.

        These were not tales .. So it was easier to go on the attack with faith, knowing full well that everyone would die!
        And your "archivists" have long been known to us all .. negative
        1. SK70
          SK70 9 March 2018 10: 58
          +5
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Vera

          Faith and the church are not the same thing.
        2. Saburov
          Saburov 9 March 2018 11: 22
          +5
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Vera, it’s in our souls and you don’t etch it with your dirty fingers and “your media”


          Of course, it is visible as well as drunkenness, which from childhood in the Republic of Ingushetia was imposed on society. As the main source of income of the tsarist state. With all our “Orthodox Christianity,” RI was almost in last place among European states in terms of living standards and education. In 1906, a bill of the Minister of Education P. von Kaufmann was submitted for consideration. Some provisions of this law were adopted on May 3 of 1908, according to which state funding for MNEs was sharply increased, and paragraph 6 of the law established free (but not universal) primary education. But the discussion of the bill on universal primary education, meanwhile, was postponed several times, and dragged on until the 1912 of the year. 6 June 1912 The State Council finally rejected the bill on universal education. And the Russian Orthodox Church was an active opponent of this project. And now they have cut astronomy lessons to introduce legal religious fooling of children in schools. Where do not spit chapels, but shopping centers! Pray and consume! You can browse archives for example N.A. Rubakin “Russia in Figures” (St. Petersburg, edition of the 1912 of the year) or “Statistical Yearbooks of Russia” edited by the director of the Central Statistical Committee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs NN Belyavsky for 1908-1913. When a weak person cannot understand and control the situation .. . He begins to believe.


          Quote: MIKHAN
          Why is it all about the synagogues are silent .. hehe


          Why are they silent? There are enough articles and angry reviews online. Just by the wild ignorance that we have left with tsarist Russia, they are trying to explain the “real theory of the Jewish conspiracy” with all the real and imagined troubles of Russia. Just like the fact that the supposedly "Jews" made a revolution in 1917. But if you look at the lists of the composition of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) - RCP (b) - VKP (b), then the fans of The Theory of the Jewish Conspiracy completely break the template.

          Quote: MIKHAN
          These were not tales .. So it was easier to go on the attack with faith, knowing full well that everyone would die!


          We went on the attack with hope on the shoulder of the next one, and not on faith. I imagine how a party and ideological communist goes on the attack and reads a prayer ... aren't you funny yourself? It's like an Orthodox KGB officer ... although no, there is already one such. True, he doesn’t get along with the fundamental laws of physics ... apparently, priests advised him before the performance.


          Quote: MIKHAN
          And your "archivists" have long been known to us all ..


          Name at least one archivist? I will tell you a "terrible" secret! Archivists are people who study and develop the theory, methodology and organizational issues of archiving and its history. And they will not come out of archives. So, unfortunately, there are no celebrities among them.

          PS I really do not want to believe in the saying that the government that it deserves is ruled by the people. So be smarter! Check sources. Respectfully!
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 14: 03
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            Quote: Saburov
            PS I really do not want to believe in the saying that the government that it deserves is ruled by the people. So be smarter! Check sources. Respectfully!

            I don’t read Vika, I have my sources .... But I also feel sorry for you! hi
            You didn’t succeed .. In the sense of conquering Russia and the Russians! Others we alas ..
          2. midshipman
            midshipman 9 March 2018 17: 09
            +1
            In agreement with the abbot of the Tikhvin Monastery, I published the story "The Wandering and Return of the Tikhvin Icon of the Mother of God" in the journal Yunost .. You are right. During the assault on Tikhvin in December 1941, the commander of the Razvetry (one of the regiments) was given the task. On the night before the assault, razvetota was in the monastery. But they did not find the icon. A week before the assault, the Nazis take the icon to Pskov. But the company commander personally set this task to the regiment's political officer. I had to personally meet with the company commander in 1955. Read my documentary story. I published an excerpt from it in VO. I have the honor.
      2. Moskovit
        Moskovit 9 March 2018 11: 14
        +1
        The church is made up of people, so mistakes are inevitable. Atheists or any kind of Rodnover just start to sing the hours of the patriarch, but completely forget about the gigantic charity work conducted by the Russian Orthodox Church. How much effort, time and money the Church spends on orphans, beggars, abandoned and forgotten people, what work they do with drug addicts and drunkards, in places of deprivation of liberty. This inconspicuous, difficult and ungrateful work, which the opponents of the Church prefer not to remember.
        The church now remains the only institution that speaks of the good, the eternal, calls for mercy, hinders the decomposition of society, and helps strengthen the family. Or does the TNT channel do this? Or Urgant? Or maybe Kirill Serebrennikov?
        1. SK70
          SK70 9 March 2018 11: 29
          +4
          Quote: Moskovit
          about the gigantic charity work conducted by the Russian Orthodox Church

          Children are expelled from the recreation center, where they studied in circles and sections in Nizhny Novgorod.
          Or refuse to use the temple as a refuge.

          https://www.nn.ru/news/more/pismo_popalo_v_set_ni
          zhegorodskaya_eparkhiya_otkazala_v_ubezhische_det
          yam / 53541711 /
          If a person has FAITH, he does not need a MEDIATOR.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 9 March 2018 14: 15
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            Temples as shelters? Something new. I thought basements were needed for this. They have always been used for this. It is necessary to play sports in specially equipped places. In bright and clean rooms with changing rooms and normal ventilation. And this blasphemy to arrange gyms and warehouses in churches.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 9 March 2018 19: 48
              +1
              Quote: Moskovit
              And this blasphemy to arrange gyms and warehouses in churches.

              With what fright is this blasphemy? If the room is suitable for a gym or warehouse, then why not use it.
        2. Saburov
          Saburov 9 March 2018 11: 40
          +7
          Quote: Moskovit
          The church is made up of people, so mistakes are inevitable. Atheists or any kind of Rodnover just start to sing the hours of the patriarch, but completely forget about the gigantic charity work conducted by the Russian Orthodox Church. How much effort, time and money the Church spends on orphans, beggars, abandoned and forgotten people, what work they do with drug addicts and drunkards, in places of deprivation of liberty. This inconspicuous, difficult and ungrateful work, which the opponents of the Church prefer not to remember.


          For example? Let's argue? Over the past 20 years, how many ROCs have built schools, institutes, kindergartens, hospitals, free housing for the needy, orphanages? Church schools, please do not mention for the uselessness of the data. Maybe they fed all the homeless and warmed? Especially with the money that they row, it was possible to feed all of Russia with both the first and second and fruit compote with gingerbread. Maybe they help science or education? Or sports and industry? What is this invisible help?

          Quote: Moskovit
          The church now remains the only institution that speaks of the good, the eternal, calls for mercy, hinders the decomposition of society, and strengthens the family.


          Here is how? I wonder how in the USSR they coped with this without a church? The decomposition of society, dear, begins with social decay, the decline of education, the decline in citizens' incomes, the futility of their existence, with theft and embezzlement and other derivatives. And the ROC does not play any role here and cannot play. They can only make money on this and strengthen their power.

          PS I wonder how much the festive dresses of the patriarch cost? Wasn’t it easier to spend this money on treating children? But no, it’s necessary for the people to ask for money for the treatment of seriously ill children through the first channel ... they have priests, but patriarchs ... then there is no money ... everyone thinks about Russia!
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 9 March 2018 14: 27
            +1
            The church cannot replace the state and help everyone to the one. You are not a conspicuous help to the Church, because it does not ring about it in all media, but does its hard, routine work.
            I'm sorry that you do not know how to use search engines. You can simply dial the Orthodox Shelter, an orphanage, a rehabilitation center and more.
            Why should the church build institutions and factories ?? What nonsense. The church heals the souls of people. How many millions found hope and help there.
            As the USSR dealt with this, we already see that it is not there. And the collapse and degradation of society began just in the 80 years with your beloved Union.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 9 March 2018 19: 54
              +2
              Quote: Moskovit
              Why should the church build institutions and factories ?? What nonsense. The church heals the souls of people. How many millions found hope and help there.
              As the USSR dealt with this, we already see that it is not there. And the collapse and degradation of society began just in the 80 years with your beloved Union.

              CJSC ROC institutes and factories are not needed, why breed your competitors? CJSC ROC does not heal the soul (because how can one heal the energy biofield of an organism?), But for a fee supports faith in the supernatural. In short, Lenin was right: "Religion is opium for the people."
            2. Saburov
              Saburov 10 March 2018 07: 18
              0
              Quote: Moskovit
              The church cannot replace the state and help everyone to the one. You are not a conspicuous help to the Church, because it does not ring about it in all media, but does its hard, routine work.


              She therefore does not ring, because there is nothing to ring. The Church, as it has been plundered by the people in the form of taxes and tithes, has long been happening, it is happening now. I suggested you give examples of the "help" of the ROC, but for some reason you did not.

              Quote: Moskovit
              I'm sorry that you do not know how to use search engines. You can simply dial the Orthodox Shelter, an orphanage, a rehabilitation center and more.


              Use here and do not need to know how. Firstly there are very few of them, for some reason there is a lot of priests and money. Secondly, it is enough to see what disciplines in these "Orthodox" shelters and orphanages ... prepare "new" believers. And the third Russian Orthodox Church lives not only on donations from parishioners - she has her own business; in fact, it is a giant corporation, with its expenses and revenues. What the ROC spends its money on is practically unknown. The church’s profits are not taxed, although in 2014 alone it amounted to 5,6 billion rubles of known income.

              Quote: Moskovit
              Why should the church build institutions and factories ?? What nonsense. The church heals the souls of people. How many millions found hope and help there.


              Really why? The church does not need smart people, they need parishioners. What is the ROC doing? If they do not keep their own commandments. Go to any temple or parish and you will see the price! And whom did Christ expel from the temple, remember? They do not heal the soul, unlike psychotherapists, they powder the brain. Save the country citramone with analginum from these "healers".



              Quote: Moskovit
              As the USSR dealt with this, we already see that it is not there. And the collapse and degradation of society began just in the 80 years with your beloved Union.


              The degradation just started when, as a consequence of dragging on the law on glasnost, all sorts of writers such as Solzhenitsin with a set of camp tales and "special Orthodox" authors started talking about flying around the capital of "miraculous" icons. Well, and as a result, as I said, the deterioration of the social component has strengthened the role of the Russian Orthodox Church in the collapse of the USSR.

              PS In 1861 and 1862, the artist Vasily Grigorievich Perov painted two paintings, “Rural Religious Procession on Easter” and “Tea Party in Mytishchi,” where he very accurately conveyed the role and true essence of the Russian Orthodox Church. For which I almost got to Solovki.
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 9 March 2018 11: 50
        +4
        Saburov, I don’t know if it’s mysticism or not, but when they advised Stalin to bring the icon of Our Lady of Kazan, for some reason the Germans cut off ...
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 9 March 2018 12: 34
          +6
          Quote: sabakina
          Saburov, I don’t know if it’s mysticism or not, but when they advised Stalin to bring the icon of Our Lady of Kazan, for some reason the Germans cut off ...


          Greetings! This myth has long been refuted. The flyby with the icon is one of the most famous myths from the entire series. It consists in the fact that Stalin allegedly ordered to fly with the icon, after which the Germans retreated. The causal relationship is this: they flew with the icon - the enemies retreated. Moreover, the statements vary, some say that the flyby was with the Tikhvin icon. This is impossible due to the fact that during the occupation of Tikhvin in November 1941, the icon was removed by the Germans from the cathedral and sent to Pskov, where it was transferred to the Pskov spiritual mission. And only in the 2004 year the icon was returned to its historical place in the Tikhvin Virgin Assumption Monastery. Others claim that the flyby was with the Kazan icon, which is also impossible. Since on the night of June 29 (July 12) of 1904 of the year from the Bogoroditsky monastery, the icon was stolen together with the image of the Savior in precious robes; both icons were decorated with jewelry worth up to 100 thousand rubles; money was also stolen from candle boxes. The kidnapper was found: it turned out to be Bartholomew Chaikin (Stoyan), a peasant of twenty-eight years. He claimed that he sold the jewelry and the salary of the image, and split the icon itself and burned it in the furnace, which was confirmed by investigative actions and a jury. And all other values ​​that could "fly" from museums and churches were evacuated long before the battle for Moscow. The author of most of these myths is Archpriest Vasily Shvets. You can read his most infamous fables, narrating about some kind of "miracles" that accompanied the military and combat activities of the Red Army and the NKVD, are described in detail in the book "Russia before the Second Coming."

          As Nikolai Kaverin (one of the researchers of such myths) wrote:

          "In connection with the 60 anniversary of the Great Victory of the Russian people in the Great Patriotic War, it is impossible not to mention a number of myths published in church publications related to this era. This mythology, not supported by any references to church or archival sources, wanders from book to book. By most of these myths are archpriest Vasily Shvets. The most complete works were presented in the book “Russia before the Second Coming” - a kind of encyclopedia of Orthodox myth-making, compiled by Sergey Fom n. Were these myths and also in the book priesthood Philadelphus (Moses), "Mediatrix Diligent." "

          "The stories of Archpriest Vasily Shvets (without reference to any sources!) May seem very pious, for they are connected with the deeply revered believing Russian people, the Kazan image of the Mother of God - the Protector of the Diligent Christianity. However, it is necessary to caution the gullible reader not to blindly trust all that that came from the pen of Archpriest Vasily Shvets and then went into various collections about the war. "

          Regarding the mythical "flyby" the author writes:

          “After the publication of the book“ Russia before the Second Coming ”, the pious legend about the flight of Moscow in December 1941 with the Tikhvin Icon of the Mother of God is constantly being repeated. We recall once again that before Stalin’s historic meeting with the three metropolitans of the Russian Orthodox Church in September 1943 what religious propaganda, and even more so in the army, was out of the question.You need to clearly understand the complexity and tragedy of the situation of the defense of Moscow in October-December 1941, to understand what kind of "fly around with the icon", when the Germans already were on the outskirts of the capital, the pilot, who dared to commit such, I would expect merciless verdict of the military tribunal. "

          PS In general, the essence of this myth is that: It was not the Soviet People who won the war, but God helped. If you delve deeper into history, then the Nazis in the occupied Soviet territories, first of all restored Orthodox churches and clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church unconditionally cooperated with them. What gives an ambiguous hint for why these myths are created. In the yard 21 century, and you all believe in fairy tales. Be smarter! Respectfully!
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 13: 45
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          Quote: sabakina
          Saburov, I don’t know if it’s mysticism or not, but when they advised Stalin to bring the icon of Our Lady of Kazan, for some reason the Germans cut off ...

          In vain you wrote it .... Now they will begin to spray with saliva proving .. hehe
      4. Govorun
        Govorun 9 March 2018 18: 39
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        I read your “works” and understood ... The historian is from you as from GOU .... and the carrot .... Poor guy, he squeezed himself out of it and all by ... And about the patriarch’s hours, well, stop screaming this record and whining, well, here it’s for a person who DOESN’T believe, what matters is these hours, what business do you use on what machine, what house does he live in, enviously, so envy quieter. And then such "screaming" as if they had no life to discuss someone else's. and returning to history ... tie it, not yours, NOT YOURS.
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 9 March 2018 23: 19
          0
          Quote: Govorun
          I read your “works” and understood ... The historian is from you as from GOU .... and the carrot .... Poor guy, he squeezed himself out of it and all by ... And about the patriarch’s hours, well, stop screaming this record and whining, well, here it’s for a person who DOESN’T believe, what matters is these hours, what business do you use on what machine, what house does he live in, enviously, so envy quieter. And then such "screaming" as if they had no life to discuss someone else's. and returning to history ... tie it, not yours, NOT YOURS.


          Well, of course! No arguments, push on the eye! Maybe all the same, you, as a "brilliant" historian, will point out my mistakes or inconsistencies with archival documents? Or do you like many fans of tales from the ROC and REN TV, except for the transition to the individual, do not know anything else?

          PS We believe in a cunning plan!
          1. Govorun
            Govorun 10 March 2018 21: 39
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            What arguments do you want to hear? Where did I call myself a historian? What you presented had a place to be ... BUT why don’t you dig further and say that that church separated from the Russian Orthodox Church in the 17th century of the 20th century and became autonomous with its own hierarchy and called it the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad and therefore it does not make sense give out views for the Russian Orthodox Church, or, according to your logic, the Russians who sided with Hitler (Vlasovites) prove that all Russian traitors ??? Either the Cossacks who fought in the Wehrmacht, for example, Ataman Krasnov, or the Cossack collaborator I. Kononov, and you can read about divisions and brigades yourself, this in your opinion indicates that all Cossacks are traitors .... so if it does not bother you, then you will find all this and revere it as a mass of priests, monks, hieromonks took up arms and went to fight for their country together with everyone without any “special” attitude towards themselves, I’m silent about the Cossack units and did not hide their role in protecting our country state ... so what else do you need facts or for you is all the tales from the ROC and REN TV ??? Then I am very sorry for your level of thinking, which boils down to a primitive biased opinion, when you give out facts only those that are pleasing to you but are silent about those who put you out in an unattractive light .... do not disgrace.
            I am not a churchman, but I respect the clergy regardless of their religion.
            And lastly, answer where did I answer you rudely in the last answer and switched to a person?
            1. Saburov
              Saburov 11 March 2018 15: 08
              +1
              Quote: Govorun
              What arguments do you want to hear?


              Ordinary! Why do well-fed, sleek priests' muzzles, with golden rings and expensive cars, teach people humility, patience and modesty? Why are they taking away buildings from municipalities and institutes, that they supposedly belonged to them and what they will do there and shelters and clinics, but in the end everything is rented out or sold under the hammer. Why absolutely do not keep their own commandments ... for example, remember trading in temples?

              Quote: Govorun
              Where did I call myself a historian?


              Quote: Govorun
              The historian is from you as from GOU .... and the carrot ... and returning to history ... tie, not yours, NOT YOURS.


              Quote: Govorun
              the church separated from the Russian Orthodox Church in the 17 of the 20 century and became autonomous with its own hierarchy and they called it the ROCA


              It’s on paper she was ROCz. But in fact, cooperation has never stopped, and from the reports of counterintelligence and the NKVD report notes, this is visible (although now the Russian Orthodox Church is actively insisting on transferring these documents from the archives. This is naturally understandable). Active propaganda proceeded through the clergy and priests, long before the war. This explains the joyful meetings of the Germans with the "Orthodox" population. In all cities and in many villages left by the Soviet administration, priests were declared, either being there as exiles, or hiding underground, or earning a living by some craft or service. These priests received permission from the occupation commandants to perform services. The journalist VD Samarin describes the German occupation in Orel as follows: “A religious feeling, hidden deep under the Bolsheviks, woke up, surfaced to the surface of the soul. Prayers crowded the churches, in the villages they carried miraculous images.

              “... if the German Reich government wishes
              to attract Russian Orthodox churches to cooperation
              in the fight against the communist godless movement ...,
              then the Reich government will find on our part
              full agreement and support. ”
              met. Eulogius (St. George), October 1937

              As the Reich Minister of the Eastern Lands Alfred Rosenberg formulated, “The way of life of the Russian people for centuries has been shaped under the influence of Orthodoxy. The Bolshevik clique deprived the Russian people of this core and turned it into an unbelieving, uncontrollable herd. For centuries, Russians have been hammered with pulpits that "all power is from God." The tsarist government, failing to provide its subjects with a decent standard of living, was able, with the help of the Church, to form a consciousness among the people that deprivation, suffering and oppression benefit the soul. Such a sermon provided the rulers with the servile submission of the people. This moment was completely ignored by the Bolsheviks, and it would be foolish of us to repeat their mistake. Therefore, it is in our interests to revive these Orthodox postulates in the minds of the people, if we want to keep them in check.

              So the stories that supposedly the Russian Orthodox Church was divided is a myth. And by the way, the meeting of Stalin on 4 of September 1943 of the year with the leadership of the Moscow Patriarchate was probably the ultimate ultimatum. After this meeting, the number of contacts of priests with the Nazis began to decline. The documents for this meeting are unfortunately classified.





              Quote: Govorun
              like a mass of priests, monks, hieromonks took up arms and went to fight for their country together with everyone without any


              Mass is how much? I’ll tell you one secret! According to the official lists and documents of the Red Army in the Second World War only 311 clergymen for the whole war pass! For that, more than 5 thousand fought against the USSR. This is now a bunch of "mummers" priests of "veterans". From the front-line photos you will find no more than 5-6 people. An unequal exchange is not it?

              Quote: Govorun
              where did I answer you rudely in the last answer and went to the person?


              Quote: Govorun
              The historian of you as from GOv .... and carrots


              Quote: Govorun
              And then such "screaming"


              PS 21 century in the yard! And you propose to return to 100 years ago ... We believe in the Tricky Plan!
              1. Govorun
                Govorun 11 March 2018 21: 05
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                Ordinary! Why do well-fed, sleek priests' muzzles, with golden rings and expensive cars, teach people humility, patience and modesty? Why are they taking away buildings from municipalities and institutes, that they supposedly belonged to them and what they will do there and shelters and clinics, but in the end everything is rented out or sold under the hammer. Why absolutely do not keep their own commandments ... for example, remember trading in temples?

                Well, the nagging about the clock, the car’s of the villa starts again ... here’s for you personally, what about these items .... well, do you want to take these examples, take it ... they’re nothing for me personally, because most priests have nothing like that , and if you look into the hinterland and even more so ... but this is not a very interesting topic for you, because it is not "fried" ... "The worst thing that all people have is to forget all the good deeds after one bad "... I don’t remember the author, but the essence is clear .... About the fact that everyone wants to get their own back and that revolts you here? Is everything logical, or because I’ll go to your house with an ax and put you out the door, will I live in your apartment because of this, it ceases to be yours? What kind of nonsense ... though ... it's normal for you, because you have nonsense everywhere.
                It’s on paper she was ROCz. But in fact, cooperation has never stopped, and from the reports of counterintelligence and the NKVD report notes, this is visible (although now the Russian Orthodox Church is actively insisting on transferring these documents from the archives. This is naturally understandable). Active propaganda proceeded through the clergy and priests, long before the war. This explains the joyful meetings of the Germans with the "Orthodox" population. In all cities and in many villages left by the Soviet administration, priests were declared, either being there as exiles, or hiding underground, or earning a living by some craft or service. These priests received permission from the occupation commandants to perform services. The journalist VD Samarin describes the German occupation in Orel as follows: “A religious feeling, hidden deep under the Bolsheviks, woke up, surfaced to the surface of the soul. Prayers crowded the churches, in the villages they carried miraculous images.
                The complete nonsense ... I will give the return argument:
                The Russian Orthodox Church takes a firm, uncompromising stance towards those who, under the banner of the struggle against communism, have gone over to the fascists. Metropolitan Sergius in four personal epistles to pastors and flock branded shame on the treason of bishops: Polycarp Sikorsky (Western Ukraine), Sergiy Voskresensky (Baltic), Nikolai Amasiysky (Rostov-on-Don). The decree of the Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church on the condemnation of traitors to the faith and the Fatherland of September 8 of 1943 reads: "Anyone guilty of treason to the church-wide affair and who has gone over to the side of fascism, as an adversary of the Holy Cross, is considered excommunicated, and the bishop or cleric is deprived of his .
                Yes, there was a place where the villages met fascists with flowers .... when your relatives, mother, father, brother, sister, etc. were put on trial, on any made-up pretext, or even without trial, they were killed before their eyes, after the most terrible years of famine 32-33 of the year in which the Soviet government was involved, that they should have felt for the "new" power, BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY ORTHODOX and not for the sake of Orthodoxy met Germans ..... THINK YOU HEAD, ANALYZE AT LEAST A FEW.
                Mass is how much? I’ll tell you one secret! According to the official lists and documents of the Red Army in the Second World War only 311 clergymen for the whole war pass! For that, more than 5 thousand fought against the USSR. This is now a bunch of "mummers" priests of "veterans". From the front-line photos you will find no more than 5-6 people. An unequal exchange is not it?

                Well, what kind of official lists and documents of the Red Army will you take into account the role of the church in this war, well, think a little who volunteers and identifies himself as a church servant? Which was banned ... before the Stalin "thaw" .... but after Stalin and Stalin himself they were "spat" and the church was again banned.
                For the "mummers" it’s not for you to judge, and your mouth would be closed, so that you have to prove something about someone first, otherwise you will yap.
                And about the fact that I insulted you OUR BENCHMARKING OUR .... I called you GO ... as a historian, and not as a person .... well, and here your analytical abilities let you down.
                PS In the courtyard, the 21st century is YES ... but there are things that centuries will not change .... THE WHEELS have not yet been invented more functionally, WATER from a spring, a well (I do not take exceptions for the human factor) will always be more useful and cleaner than modern filters ...
                WHAT IS THE Tricky Plan? Cunning here so far only you and you outwitted yourself so far. SCIENCE AND RELIGION are complementary forces were, are and will be, no matter how you like it.
                1. Saburov
                  Saburov 12 March 2018 05: 41
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                  Quote: Govorun
                  Well, the nagging about the clock, the car’s of the villa starts again ... here’s for you personally, what about these items .... well, do you want to take these examples, take it ... they’re nothing for me personally, because most priests have nothing like that , and if you look into the hinterland and even more so ... but this is not a very interesting topic for you, because it is not "fried" ... "The worst thing that all people have is to forget all the good deeds after one bad "... I don’t remember the author, but the essence is clear .... About the fact that everyone wants to get their own back and that revolts you here? Is everything logical, or because I’ll go to your house with an ax and put you out the door, will I live in your apartment because of this, it ceases to be yours? What kind of nonsense ... though ... it's normal for you, because you have nonsense everywhere.


                  Absolutely no difference! What in the hinterlands priests are eating, in the capital. This is especially noticeable against the backdrop of general devastation. There are of course rare “exceptions”, but for these “exceptions” a psychiatric hospital cries. One such "Orthodox" from the Penza hinterland, he nearly killed a bunch of people underground in anticipation of the "end of the world." And this is nonsense when a priest with a censer stands at the launch pad in Baikonur.





                  Quote: Govorun
                  The complete nonsense ... I will give the return argument:
                  The Russian Orthodox Church takes a firm, uncompromising stance towards those who, under the banner of the struggle against communism, have gone over to the fascists. Metropolitan Sergius in four personal epistles to pastors and flock branded shame on the treason of bishops: Polycarp Sikorsky (Western Ukraine), Sergiy Voskresensky (Baltic), Nikolai Amasiysky (Rostov-on-Don). The decree of the Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church on the condemnation of traitors to the faith and the Fatherland of September 8 of 1943 reads: "Anyone guilty of treason to the church-wide affair and who has gone over to the side of fascism, as an adversary of the Holy Cross, is considered excommunicated, and the bishop or cleric is deprived of his .


                  This is not an argument, but a “justifying” version. What should Metropolitan Sergius have to say? It was only in the 1927 year that he “sided” with the Bolsheviks and when Metropolitan Peter was arrested. By the end of 1930, there were already up to 37 bishops of the Patriarchal Church who refused administrative subordination to Metropolitan Sergius. Particular discontent among the clergy and laity was caused by the prohibition of commemoration at the service of exiled bishops and the demand for commemoration of the authorities. In this connection, there was an “ambiguous” reaction of the Russian Orthodox Church both in the USSR and abroad. That is why he said so, otherwise the whole Soviet ROC would have come full P. But in fact, which I have stated above, everything was exactly the opposite. You think at least a little what you say, but it turns out that "Bees against honey." Moreover, I have already said that the church always, throughout the course of human history, has lain under the strong.


                  Quote: Govorun
                  Yes, there was a place where the villages met fascists with flowers .... when your relatives, mother, father, brother, sister, etc. were put on trial, on any made-up pretext, or even without trial, they were killed before their eyes, after the most terrible years of famine 32-33 of the year in which the Soviet government was involved, that they should have felt for the "new" power, BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY ORTHODOX and not for the sake of Orthodoxy met Germans ..... THINK YOU HEAD, ANALYZE AT LEAST A FEW.


                  On what eyes, and even without trial? You at least learn a little about the judicial system of the Stalin era, so as not to bring complete nonsense! Public executions were only for war criminals, traitors and traitors to the motherland. All the rest were sentenced in a closed "regime". And in any case, the verdict was passed either by a military court or by triples. And he entered the criminal case. About the Holodomor of 1932-33 ... this is generally a very "delicious" proof from you. The reasons you probably learned from the priests.

                  Quote from an interview with G. A. Kumanev (tape recording):
                  G. A. Kumanev: Lazar Moiseevich, of course, you remember two very difficult years at the dawn of Soviet power: the 1932 and 1933. The food crisis in the country ...
                  L. M. Kaganovich: Yes, yes ...
                  G. A. Kumanev: And now they believe that up to 5 million peasants, and only in Ukraine, then died of starvation. How do you feel about this figure?
                  L. M. Kaganovich: This is a lie, a lie.
                  G. A. Kumanev: One English historian, his last name Conquest, wrote a book about this time. He called her "Hunger." He deduced the numbers - 3 – 5 million.
                  L. M. Kaganovich: Everyone invents it. The hunger was from malnutrition, it was bad with sowing. In the first place among the causes of this famine is anti-collective farm resistance, sabotage and sabotage, which did not allow carrying out agricultural work as expected.

                  In general, I realized that you believe in myths, but do not "make friends" with archival documents.


                  Quote: Govorun
                  Well, what kind of official lists and documents of the Red Army will you take into account the role of the church in this war, well, think a little who volunteers and identifies himself as a church servant? Which was banned ... before the Stalin "thaw" .... but after Stalin and Stalin himself they were "spat" and the church was again banned.
                  For the "mummers" it’s not for you to judge, and your mouth would be closed, so that you have to prove something about someone first, otherwise you will yap.


                  Are you normal First, you take an interest in how the personnel reporting was conducted in the Red Army. Any volunteer or just passing by was listed. From food to funeral award sheets. And about the "mummers" have already figured out everything without us. This will be a big secret for you, but each medal or order has its own number by which you can find the award sheet and the name of the owner. And the overwhelming majority of the priests who fought, those who were registered in the Red Army, died in the 1970-80 years. But why didn’t you think about the age of the clergy in the war. In short, "proof" as always can be attributed to the phrase "I think so" ... badly think dear. But from anger and their incompetence they again switched to personality.



                  Quote: Govorun
                  SCIENCE AND RELIGION are complementary forces were, are and will be, no matter how you like it.


                  This "proof" gets First Place! One could say simpler: Education and Ignorance help each other! It can be seen from history how they “helped” ... either they will burn the scientist at the stake, or they will not allow the law to be enacted in the Duma on universal primary education ... and now they’ve “helped” in general ... they cut off astronomy lessons for children and did the Foundations of Orthodoxy . "Faithful" road, gentlemen!


                  PS Good luck in mastering the religious sciences!
  3. Skay
    Skay 9 March 2018 08: 53
    +2
    What kind of machine is there ?! The word will be stronger.
  4. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 9 March 2018 08: 54
    +5
    I propose to shoot rabid dogs - the organizers of the so-called "Peacekeepers".
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 March 2018 09: 06
      +7
      Are you going to shoot yourself? Or will we leave it to the specialists? .. And, well, yes, their “shooter” broke down. More precisely, they broke it in the Kremlin.
      Quote: Alex20042004
      I propose to shoot rabid dogs - the organizers of the so-called "Peacekeepers".
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 9 March 2018 11: 54
      +4
      Alex20042004, and on a fig? Sobchak was listed there! Let the wolves hunt.
  5. Simon
    Simon 9 March 2018 08: 55
    +4
    What, Bandera realized that GOD is the truth, and the truth is ours! So that GOD is on the side of Russia, then Russia will win!
  6. izya top
    izya top 9 March 2018 08: 58
    +9
    they said bottom request but no, dig further what
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 March 2018 09: 00
    +4
    At the slightest threat to life - shoot without hesitation
    The threat of life from the minister of the Russian Orthodox Church? In Ukrainian, "powerfully" and as always, no way. Well, if only the minister would cross the nationalist head with a hopelessness, then even He himself will forgive.
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 March 2018 09: 04
    +1
    All the neighbors were freaking out. Looks like a demon obsessed, since the clergy are urged to shoot. These cranks should be sprinkled with holy water, and not frightened with Kalash. laughing
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 9 March 2018 09: 12
    +7
    The enemy is always inhumanly cruel in anticipation of the end ... and acts with bestial hysteria ...
  10. Dezinto
    Dezinto 9 March 2018 09: 18
    0
    There is no bottom. There is no bottom ..... moral values ​​and conscience either. - Probably every right-wing krainist is meditating in this way, ... screw it .... screw it .... it will be cold, but you are patient ... recourse
    And sad and funny of course ..... request At the end were checked .....
  11. German Titov
    German Titov 9 March 2018 09: 21
    +3
    I personally know two clergymen (one former priest, the second monk). I would not recommend the “peacekeepers” to get across their roads, it is fraught. God bless them.
  12. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 9 March 2018 09: 21
    0
    This is how the “cookies” of the Khokhlam tower jammed, God forbid, soon Avakov will marry Parashka, then it’s as if all the Ukrainians will become Guyropeans. But the priests who feed the soldiers on the front line do not carry weapons, although it would not hurt to defend themselves (from such "peacekeepers").
  13. K-50
    K-50 9 March 2018 09: 36
    +3
    At least I have a negative attitude towards the church, but “shoot at the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church” is something completely insane. Although where in Ukraine is smart what remains? Somewhere there, I do not argue, but hid deeply fearing for his life and the life of his loved ones.
    At the slightest threat to life - shoot

    Is it likely that it will fall on the possessed holy water?
    AAA-ah-ah !!! Demons !!!! wassat
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  15. private person
    private person 9 March 2018 10: 00
    0
    You can say anything, but to shoot or raise a hand at the priest's sin, the most arrogant atheist will think about it. In our hearts, even very deeply, we are all believers.
  16. samarin1969
    samarin1969 9 March 2018 10: 01
    +2
    Over the past 5 years, Ukrainians have “done” thousands more terrible things ... Peacemaker is just the banner of Ukrainian Wishlist. If there was no adequate reaction to Odessa, torture, executions, shelling of cities, etc., then the calls of an unofficial site are media nonsense for "releasing steam."
  17. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 9 March 2018 10: 01
    +1
    Shaw is everything so awkward?
  18. Yak28
    Yak28 9 March 2018 10: 06
    +3
    The peacemaker’s site is Russophobia, characters who are sick and hard to pay attention to, and the church in Russia has always worked for the authorities and in the interests of the authorities, not the common people. As for me, the priests are not related to God. It’s very convenient to sit at the trough and sing along to any government. At one time, the Communists priests lowered from heaven to earth, and today the church is back on horseback, the Middle Ages, what can I say.
  19. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 9 March 2018 10: 16
    +2
    Somehow, in his youth, on a train, he listened to a conversation of four (four, Karl!) People with a priest. They, because of the simplicity of their souls, decided to crush him with their intellect. As a result, he smashed it to pieces, one - four, calmly, with a smile.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 10: 59
      +1
      Quote: Sergey D_2
      Somehow, in his youth, on a train, he listened to a conversation of four (four, Karl!) People with a priest. They, because of the simplicity of their souls, decided to crush him with their intellect. As a result, he smashed it to pieces, one - four, calmly, with a smile.

      There are many such monks in Russia .. Humble and when eyes look into the soul! They are not shown on TV and in the media .. Such, this is the basis of Russia and not only in religion and faith ..! God bless them, not all were destroyed and poisoned .. hi
    2. zoolu350
      zoolu350 9 March 2018 20: 05
      +1
      It means that 4 was not too high intelligence, I myself somehow calmly freaked out 2 members of the Russian Orthodox Church. It is also nice to break patterns for Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses, Adventists of the 7th day. But Buddhists have a very difficult goal.
  20. Dormidont
    Dormidont 9 March 2018 10: 38
    0
    Our Middle Eastern partners once again revealed their bestial gut
  21. Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 9 March 2018 11: 04
    +2
    Once again, nefig be terpily. Otherwise, receive and endure.
  22. skullcap
    skullcap 9 March 2018 11: 06
    0
    It's time to call a spade a spade. Including the site "Peacemaker" should be called "Mortalist"
  23. Herculesic
    Herculesic 9 March 2018 11: 36
    +5
    Khrushchev, the bastard released these herds of Bendery shortcomings, and now they have come to power on illegally obtained Russian lands.
  24. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 9 March 2018 15: 53
    0
    A website that publishes personal data of citizens of not only Ukraine, but also of other countries, with an appeal to kill, does not just “democratically” violate human rights, is essentially terrorist. Killed people whose information was posted there.
    Where are the worlds of democracy who advocate for human rights?
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 9 March 2018 16: 28
      0
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Where are the worlds of democracy who advocate for human rights?

      Where where in ... wassat
      That is how we live..! How tired I am to read all this already, I want to act ..
  25. gsev
    gsev 10 March 2018 00: 18
    +1
    It seems that the CIA has headed for the destruction of the intelligentsia of Russia. Klimkin’s statement about K. Sobchak as a schizophrenic is also indicative. It seems that even the corrupt nature of Ksenia will not protect her from the reprisals of those to whom she serves.
  26. Clumsy
    Clumsy 10 March 2018 07: 53
    +1
    Well, here it is clear, Ukraine under the rule of sectarians, it seems they used to be called Christ sellers.
  27. Shuttle
    Shuttle 10 March 2018 10: 02
    0
    No wonder that the "peacemaker" calls for "to shoot without thinking." After all, they have already been the idol of the Nobel laureate- "peacemaker" initiating war.
    This Orwellian doublethink.
  28. weddu
    weddu 11 March 2018 20: 34
    0
    Leave the priests alone. A special answer is for them ... Even a godless priest, instrument, providence, or punishment of God ...