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In Singapore, talked about the causes of the incident with the destroyer "John McCain"

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The clash between the American destroyer "John McCain" and a merchant ship near Singapore last summer occurred due to a "sharp turn" of a warship, leading RIA News Excerpts from the Singapore Transport Safety Management Report.




The collision occurred due to a sharp turn of the destroyer "John McCain",
says a report published on Thursday.

It is reported that as a result of the maneuver undertaken by the American ship "went on the route of the merchant ship."

The sharp turn was caused by "a number of erroneous actions of the crew of the destroyer" John McCain ", who probably lacked the necessary knowledge of the steering system due to a lack of training and familiarization," experts say.

As noted in the document, the merchant "ship noticed the destroyer’s turn, but suggested that the American ship could pass by."

Their (crew of the merchant ship) actions were insufficient to avoid a collision,
stated the authors of the report.

According to experts, "the collision occurred three minutes after the destroyer turned around."

Recall, the destroyer "John McCain" collided with a merchant ship 21 August 2017, not far from Singapore. The result of the collision was the death of ten sailors. Five more people were injured.
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  1. polpot
    polpot 8 March 2018 12: 07
    +24
    What do you call a boat so it will float
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 8 March 2018 12: 10
      +4
      This was either intentionally made or not from the competence of the destroyer crew.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 8 March 2018 12: 23
        +4
        Quote: Spartanez300
        This was either intentionally made or not from the competence of the destroyer crew.

        Yes, it seems the report clearly states ...
        The sharp turn was caused by "a number of erroneous actions of the crew of the destroyer" John McCain ", who probably lacked the necessary knowledge of the steering system due to a lack of training and familiarization," experts say.

        something like this...
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 March 2018 13: 32
          +14
          Quote: LSA57
          Quote: Spartanez300
          This was either intentionally made or not from the competence of the destroyer crew.

          Yes, it seems the report clearly states ...
          The sharp turn was caused by "a number of erroneous actions of the crew of the destroyer" John McCain ", who probably lacked the necessary knowledge of the steering system due to a lack of training and familiarization," experts say.

          something like this...

          For some reason, I recall the blessed memory of M. Zadornov
          Actually recorded conversation between Spaniards and Americans on the frequency of "Extreme situations at sea" of the navigation channel 106 in the Strait of Finisterra (Galicia). 16 October 1997
          Spaniards: (background noise) ... says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving directly at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.
          Americans: (background noise) ... we advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us.
          Spaniards: The answer is negative. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
          Americans (different voice): The captain of the ship of the United States of America is speaking to you. Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.
          Spaniards: We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate, we advise you to turn south by 15 degrees so as not to crash into us.
          Americans (in elevated tones): CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD SPEAKS TO YOU, COMMANDER OF THE USS LINCOLN AIRCRAFT, Navy OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SECOND LARGER OF THE Navy OF AMERICAN. 2 CRUISERS, 6 FIGHTERS, 4 SUBMARines AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT SHIPS ACCOMPANY US. I DO NOT “ADVISE” YOU, I “ORDER” TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE IN 15 DEGREES IN NORTH. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!!!
          Spaniards: Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara is speaking to you. Us 2 person. We are accompanied by our dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and the canary, which is now sleeping. We are supported by the Cadena Dial de La Coruna radio station and the 106 Extreme Sea Sites channel. We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and are the lighthouse of the A-853 of the Finisterra Strait of the Galician coast of Spain. We have no idea what place we have in size among the Spanish lighthouses. You can take all ..... measures that you consider necessary and do whatever you want to ensure the safety of your ..... ship, which will crash into cliffs. Therefore, we again strongly recommend that you do the most meaningful thing: change your course to 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
          Americans: Ok, accepted, thanks.
          I do not know how real the situation is - I personally was not at that lighthouse. But the characteristics of the main defendants are impeccable.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 13: 41
            +8
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            I don’t know how real the situation is - I personally was not at that lighthouse

            Guys ... I beg you - stop endlessly publishing this supposedly joke over American sailors.
            No offense - I personally met this "noodle" in an English textbook published in the early 90's.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 8 March 2018 13: 47
              +11
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Guys ... I beg you - stop endlessly publishing this supposedly joke over American sailors.
              No offense - I personally met this "noodle" in an English textbook published in the early 90's.

              Well I said - I’m not sure of the reality of this case. And in an English textbook (though not 90s, but GORAAZDO before) I read not such "noodles", but O'Henry, Dickens and Dreiser.
              But the situation, agree, given the American mentality, the real to the limit.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 13: 57
                +4
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                But the situation, you see, given the American mentality, is real to the limit.

                Have you met at sea with NATO and / or US ships?
                The expression of M. Zadornov "... Well, stupid ..." is more suitable for the highest political establishment of the USA (Congress and Senate) in the matter of understanding American hegemony and the infallibility of the American nation today. But it’s impossible to call stupid US senators and congressmen - their system filters work better than we do on our way to Parliament.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 8 March 2018 14: 12
                  +14
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Have you met at sea with NATO and / or US ships?

                  I met with the American Marine Corps - more than once and in more than one country in the world. So the process of knocking the American heel with the left heel on his own chest and blowing his cheeks from awareness of his own importance to the size of two globes is quite clear and not according to the 90's English textbook .... I do not think that the US Marine Corps on land is very different from their own Navy at sea ...
                  If you saw a peasant cart on a narrow clearing in the jungle and a couple of Bradley coming towards them, you would believe me that the above "noodles" are not as incredible as they might seem. The peasants were saved only by the fact that their "Bradley" went into the jungle only within the limits of visibility of open space.
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 8 March 2018 21: 30
                    +6
                    I also met! I declare - answering for my words, their Marines are a cheap fake for Us! Just a question, you try to compare quantity, not Quality! And who do you think is in plus, by these two criteria?
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 8 March 2018 21: 45
                      +10
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      I also met! I declare - answering for my words, their The Marines are a cheap fake for Us! Just a question, you try to compare quantity, not Quality! And who do you think is in plus, by these two criteria?

                      I always focused on quality. And the boys taught this. First of all, because ours are fighting for their homeland, and the Americans are fighting for green cards, training grants and other nishtyaks.
                      Now consider the issue of motivation. I will not be - Motherland will remain. Do you need an American corpse of Colombian origin in a green box plastic box? The American marine of them, the American military charter teaches that resistance must be exerted as long as it makes sense - that is, as long as it does not threaten life (in order to avoid "meaningless losses"). Vasily Filippych used to chatter on us that the first was the fulfillment of a combat mission. And the second thing is that your corpse of the enemy will not destroy. And compare what kind of relations our boys had with the locals in Afghanistan and how Americans are now afraid of their shadow ...
                      Here comes the difference in quantity and quality ....
                2. Seaman77
                  Seaman77 8 March 2018 15: 42
                  +7
                  I made this comment on August 25th. The Strait of Singapore passed on the 22nd, search and rescue operations were still going on there.

                  Quote: Seaman77
                  Not far from the accident site, at McCain's course, there is an anchorage. IMHO, the situation developed like this: McCain lane on the side of the road until he ran into the parking lot and decided to take it sharply to the left and slip under the nose of KAMAZ. It didn’t work out. wassat
                  Talking about turning off the RPS signal is not worth a damn. As good maritime practice requires, in areas of coastal navigation, vessel positioning is carried out visually and using radar. ZhPS for the ocean. This is an axiom for the skipper. We do not even have Filipino helpers doing such things. And if the American navigator when navigating in the narrowness is determined by the ZhPS, this only confirms their low qualification. There are at least two good reference points in the clash area — the Horsburgh Lighthouse and another lighthouse with the unpronounceable Malay name.
                  Below in the photo is a diving boat at the scene of the accident. Behind him, ships anchored from which McCain turned away are visible.
                  1. Seaman77
                    Seaman77 8 March 2018 16: 03
                    +8
                    Talking that the tanker had as much as 3 minutes before the collision is complete nonsense. Three minutes is not always enough, even if you first calculate, and then see the maneuver of the ship. It was necessary to clearly make sure that McCain decided to cut and not just "wag", then calculate the situation considering ALL the ships around and make a decision. Give a command to the helmsman, and even after that the ship will not immediately turn away, because the tanker "weighed" about 30-35 thousand tons. THOSE. so that in 3 minutes to prevent this collision, you had to think for yourself and for that “guy”. And considering that there were probably Filipinos on the tanker's bridge, with all due respect to them, they had no chance to turn them off, because in an emergency they fall into a stupor. Such is their national trait.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 17: 21
                      +7
                      The 35-thousandth tanker in 3 minutes can only begin a maneuver. The level of training of the Filipinos is low, I agree. But this does not prevent foreign shipowners from hiring them in their crews.
                      And there is a saying among civilian sailors, "Fear the fisherman and the fool warrior in the sea."
                      1. Seaman77
                        Seaman77 8 March 2018 20: 19
                        +4
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The level of training of the Filipinos is low,

                        The training they have, as they say, is satisfactory. Here the point is different. They are "robots." Non-standard solutions are difficult. Say him "Fall," he will fall. And if you say "Fall, but beautiful," for about 5 minutes there will be a "penguin turn on."
                        In a situation of 3 minutes, to turn away from McCain, I would take to the right, under his stern. Judging by the nature of the hole, the tanker turned to the left. If at all turned away .... what I really doubt. But the conversation is not about that. If two months before this, during the Figerald accident, I doubted who was to blame, then in this case McCain’s “bridge” bears unconditional blame for all 10 victims.
            2. ICT
              ICT 8 March 2018 17: 14
              +4

              I beg you - stop endlessly publishing this supposedly joke over American sailors.




              it turns out this is a feck of pure water ?, which I met even on the slopes near Machu Picchu
              1. Toorik
                Toorik 9 March 2018 00: 15
                0
                this is an urban legend ... since the 30s of the last century .... and the original usa ship and the lighthouse of canada ... more on wiki .....
          2. Kuts
            Kuts 8 March 2018 21: 52
            +1
            The destroyer turned out to be a story from a joke about Mercedes and KAMAZ.
            - I thought I’ll slip through.
            - Kui you will slip through me.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 8 March 2018 12: 14
      +6
      The collision occurred due to a sharp turn of the destroyer "John McCain",

      Mackaini is also a "raider" .. He has cancer from malice in Russians and Vietnam! It’s a pity that Captain Lee Xi Tsyn didn’t shoot him in Vietnam .. soldier
      Good drummer .. Soon it will be around the world with US ships!
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 8 March 2018 12: 23
        0
        Let it torment you, and then immediately euthanize ..
      2. The_lancet
        The_lancet 8 March 2018 12: 29
        +5
        Mackaini is also a "raider" .. He has cancer from malice in Russians and Vietnam! It’s a pity that Captain Lee Xi Tsyn didn’t shoot him in Vietnam .. soldier

        Has the Russian government already blocked Google? laughing Or, in the pursuit of pluses, commentators cannot verify the information?
        The warship is named after John Sidney McCain Jr. (1911 - 1981) and John Sidney McCain St. (1884 - 1945). They were USN admirals
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 8 March 2018 12: 56
          +10
          Quote: The_Lancet
          The warship is named after John Sidney McCain Jr. (1911 - 1981) and John Sidney McCain St. (1884 - 1945). They were USN admirals

          Yes, even if these John Sidney McCaines were saints, their namesake survivor all the good for world history associated with their names, poher. In Russia, the name McCain will always be associated with irreconcilable Russophobia and fierce anger towards our country. Although, oddly enough, this forever downed pilot has his fans even here at VO. They may googling McCain. The absolute majority will not even get dirty.
        2. family tree
          family tree 8 March 2018 14: 45
          +7
          Quote: The_Lancet
          The warship is named after John Sidney McCain Jr. (1911 - 1981) and John Sidney McCain St. (1884 - 1945). They were USN admirals

          This one has full John Sidney McCain lll.
          The ship is named after his grandfather and father.
          Verily, nature is sprinkled on children.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 8 March 2018 13: 07
        0
        This is not that McCain. However, this incident is the result of imaginary exclusivity.
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The collision occurred due to a sharp turn of the destroyer "John McCain",

        Mackaini is also a "raider" .. He has cancer from malice in Russians and Vietnam! It’s a pity that Captain Lee Xi Tsyn didn’t shoot him in Vietnam .. soldier
        Good drummer .. Soon it will be around the world with US ships!
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    4. Svarog
      Svarog 8 March 2018 12: 41
      +3
      Quote: polpot
      What do you call a boat so it will float

      not only that laughing there is a stoned crew .. guys were having fun ..
    5. jovanni
      jovanni 8 March 2018 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: polpot
      What do you call a boat so it will float

      Yeah, the Americans didn’t think of it here either. This pretzel at one time almost killed the aircraft carrier, and then the destroyer ... Well, yes, they have these destroyers, - heaps, let them rule ...
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 8 March 2018 13: 26
        +5
        Quote: Jovanni
        not thought out by the Americans. This pretzel at one time almost killed the aircraft carrier, and then the destroyer ...

        Generally, look, here misunderstanding comes in the sense of the name
        The destroyer John McCain is named after John S. McCain the Younger and John S. McCain the Elder, two United States Navy Admirals. John S. McCain the Younger commanded the Gunnel and Dentuda submarines. Subsequently, he held many posts, up to the post of Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet of the United States. John McCain Sr. commanded the aircraft carrier Ranger and until 1944, was the commander of the aircraft carrier group. These admirals are respectively the father and grandfather of John S. McCain III, a former naval pilot, an American senator from Arizona and a presidential candidate from the Republican Party of the United States in the 2008 election of the year.
        Although, if they have a whole dynasty of McCains - then let them fight with the McCains ... Our ships are called by other names ...
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 8 March 2018 13: 41
          +3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Although, if they have a whole dynasty of McCains - then let them fight with the McCains ...

          I support! Let's respect their choice. Get plenty of them in the Senate and the McCain Fleet with holes in the head and bottom.
    6. vlad66
      vlad66 8 March 2018 12: 55
      +6
      Quote: polpot
      Recall, the destroyer John McCain collided with the merchant ship 21 on August 2017 of the year near Singapore

      It’s a pity that he didn’t drown.
      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 8 March 2018 13: 13
        +1
        Quote: vlad66
        Quote: polpot
        Recall, the destroyer John McCain collided with the merchant ship 21 on August 2017 of the year near Singapore

        It’s a pity that he didn’t drown.

        are you kidding it’s impossible to drown with this name, it’s unsinkable
        others can sink easily, but not by itself ......
    7. Rav Rav
      Rav Rav 8 March 2018 14: 53
      0
      It is necessary shipbuilders who made a merchant ship to invite to Russia
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  3. newcomer
    newcomer 8 March 2018 12: 09
    +4
    what you call a ship ... the crew is similar to the name.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 8 March 2018 12: 15
      +6
      Yeah, like in a joke ...
      I have a year of experience, I thought I’ll slip through ... recourse
      And I have 20, figs, you’ll slip through me ... lol
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 8 March 2018 12: 30
        +6
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Yeah, like in a joke ...
        I have a year of experience, I thought I’ll slip through ...
        And I have 20, figs, you’ll slip through me.

        old joke ...
        A comrade in Tbilisi gets in a taxi, they are going. Crossroads, red light, the driver skips it without slowing down. Passenger in shock.
        - What are you doing????
        - Do not worry dear, I am AU!
        So there are five intersections. At the sixth, the green light is on, the driver is on the brakes. The passenger is again in shock.
        - What are you doing again ???
        - What if the speaker is also going there ...
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 16
      +5
      Garik hi
      Quote: newbie
      the crew is similar to the name

      What are the same unfinished and undershot hawks? Now all these mattresses are quickly refuted without any facts, and the merchant’s crew is accused of incompetence and dangerous navigation. wink
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 8 March 2018 12: 23
        +3
        Pasha, so they’re the most, well, “exceptional”, they were excluded from birth. (the midwife was wrong ...)
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 32
          +4
          Quote: newbie
          so they are the most, well, “exceptional”

          I would gladly exclude them. From life ! And he entered into the "book to the animal for the number of the future century." bully
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 8 March 2018 12: 37
            +3
            Pasha, Pasha, we don’t need these zombies in the future, let's better go to the number of the past.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 38
              +4
              It’s possible in the past, but you can even completely forget them. wink
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 8 March 2018 12: 32
        +4
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Now all these mattresses are quickly refuted without any facts, and the merchant’s crew is accused of incompetence and dangerous navigation.

        as well as the "hand of Moscow" and the attack of Russian hackers on the crew of the destroyer.
        Hi Pavel hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 37
          +5
          Sergey, welcome! hi drinks
          Quote: LSA57
          as well as the "hand of Moscow" and the attack of Russian hackers on the crew of the destroyer.

          This has already become a "small gentleman's set" for the United States. lol
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 8 March 2018 12: 49
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            It has already become a "small gentleman's set" for the United States

            Well, new sanctions, of course
            Well then, one little thing ... drinks drinks drinks
      3. san4es
        san4es 8 March 2018 14: 56
        +3
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        ... the merchant’s crew is accused of incompetence and dangerous navigation. wink

        ... They can, but "auto-registrars" will not allow ... But in fact: "exclusively" maneuverable "... McCain" in 5 thousand tons, from the right, the tanker cut 50 thousand tons am ... "Alnic ..." did not calculate (hoping for "Arly Burke") and drove him to the port side ... Common business in places with heavy traffic (especially in the Strait of Malacca off the coast of Singapore belay ):

        According to experts, "the collision occurred three minutes after the turn of the destroyer"

        laughing ... more precisely, the "turnaround", and even the move diminished (apparently). recourse
        Unlike the usual narrow and thin hull, which all destroyers had, including American, destroyers such as "Arly Burke" have a wide "pot-bellied" hull fellow . What caused some doubts in their mannered data.
        This video clearly demonstrates that the “arly burke” can turn around no less abruptly than the destroyer of the Second World War:
        hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 15: 07
          +3
          Sasha, well, I won’t comment on the video, okay? wink
          1. san4es
            san4es 8 March 2018 15: 13
            +2
            smile ... Yeah ... keep the heap up fellow more "Nimets" - "Rule of the right to board"
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 15: 25
              +4
              It is a pity there, nearby, the Great Kraken did not hang around. Looks like he was having fun in the bump on land, Fendrick ... wink
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 8 March 2018 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      what you call a ship ... the crew is similar to the name.

      Right The name carries karma. If the destroyers called the destroyer "Titanic" (Why not the name of the warship? Beautiful, loud, powerful), then I’m almost sure that the crew would immediately write reports on the resignation and would not even appear at the launch ceremony.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 March 2018 12: 11
    +2
    Themselves screwed up, and the crew of the merchant ship is guilty! The destroyer in honor of the senile, takes from him the worst!
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 8 March 2018 12: 33
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The destroyer in honor of the senile, takes from him the worst!

      destroyer named after his dad
  5. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 8 March 2018 12: 17
    +4
    The Americans are known for their rudeness and show-offs at sea, but unlike us, the captain of a merchant ship did not maneuver, but gave them what they deserved, a pity that they did not sink.
  6. igor1981
    igor1981 8 March 2018 12: 31
    +3
    Sorry the destroyer did not drown.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 8 March 2018 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: igor1981
      Sorry the destroyer did not drown.

      with such a crew not to spoil his air for long
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 8 March 2018 12: 37
    +7
    The sharp turn was caused by “a series of erroneous actions by the crew of the destroyer John McCain, who probably lacked the necessary knowledge of the steering system due to a lack of training and familiarization”

    They would say it right ... the crew was drunk, he wrote out a fortel ... wink
    suggested that the American ship could pass by. "

    I failed lol Merikos and past?
    1. Cutter
      Cutter 8 March 2018 12: 49
      +6
      Marina, with a holiday, with a wonderful Spring Day !!!! love love love hi
      All, all that I want, come true in your life !!! drinks hi
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 8 March 2018 13: 03
        +8
        Alexander, hello there! love
        drinks
  8. HAM
    HAM 8 March 2018 12: 37
    0
    Something a long time ago I did not hear the old McCain, it’s already boring .. When will the bookmark of the destroyer "John McCain2" ??
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 March 2018 12: 41
    0
    "McCain" is a happy name for the US Navy. It remains to rename the country as well and Yellow Pooks will complete the sad end of this beautiful story ---- we are the Norman island, we are not touched, but our ships are everywhere ...
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 8 March 2018 12: 43
    +8
    who probably lacked the necessary knowledge of the steering system due to a lack of training and familiarization, ”experts say
    Or show-offs on persistence of the road were pounded over the edge. It is difficult to suspect ship officers of complete incompetence when performing maneuvers or steering in sabotage ..
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 8 March 2018 13: 12
      +5
      show-offs on non-failure road

      Skiing !!! lol
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 8 March 2018 13: 20
        +6
        For you only love
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 8 March 2018 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      who probably lacked the necessary knowledge of the steering system due to a lack of training and familiarization, ”experts say
      Or show-offs on persistence of the road were pounded over the edge . It is difficult to suspect ship officers of complete incompetence when performing maneuvers or steering in sabotage ..

      Apparently the show-offs in them are indestructible. Let me remind you the case has already become a "classic."
      Negotiations between Spaniards and Americans on the frequency of "Extreme situations at sea" laughing
  11. soldatt22
    soldatt22 8 March 2018 13: 11
    0
    How old is this post?
  12. Evil 55
    Evil 55 8 March 2018 17: 16
    0
    McCain at sea and McCain in life — their turns often lead to clashes ..
  13. Retired2012
    Retired2012 8 March 2018 19: 35
    +1
    The fishermen have a different saying: a fisherman, twice a sailor, he must catch the fish, and not drown .......
    And still there is a saying among civilian sailors "Fear the fisherman and the fool warrior" at sea. [/ Quote]
  14. Slovak
    Slovak 8 March 2018 22: 53
    +1
    McCain, he is in Africa McCain, all through w ...
  15. fighter angel
    fighter angel 9 March 2018 11: 50
    0
    Yeah ... McCain is a brand! The whole mattress must be hung up and renamed to "MacCainia."
  16. gukoyan
    gukoyan 13 March 2018 14: 27
    0
    Found in honor of whom to name ... Now do not be surprised that the same ship is not adequate)