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NATO talked about the main problem associated with the acquisition of Turkey C-400

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Turkey’s acquisition of the Russian C-400 “Triumph” anti-aircraft system raises serious NATO concerns, and it’s not only that weapon incompatible with alliance technologies RIA News statement by the head of the Military Committee of the North Atlantic bloc, Peter Paul.


NATO talked about the main problem associated with the acquisition of Turkey C-400


According to Pavel, it should be understood that C-400 is incompatible with NATO technologies, therefore, the Russian "air defense system will be used as a separate unit, not integrated into the overall defense of the alliance."

But this is not the worst. The main problem is “operational information, which will include data on NATO’s military infrastructure in Turkey,” he said, stressing that “this information will subsequently be stored in the Russian systems.”

In addition, the operation of the C-400 "requires a certain level of training, in connection with which Russian specialists will be sent to Turkey to train the local military." Pavel fears that Russians will have access to "critical intelligence information", which will later be transferred to the military leadership of the Russian Federation.

Earlier, the media reported that the United States may impose sanctions on Turkey due to the purchase of Russian systems.

Recall, the Turkish authorities decided to purchase two C-400 batteries. The parties also agreed on technological cooperation for the development of the production of complexes in Turkey.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 8 March 2018 09: 15
    +15
    Pavel fears that the Russians will have access to “critical intelligence”, which will subsequently be transferred to the military leadership of the Russian Federation.

    Peter Pavel is not afraid in vain. Everything will be as soon as possible. We’ll write everything down, document everything, draw up everything. Remember, if necessary.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 8 March 2018 09: 16
      +22
      The only problem for the USA here is that Turkey buys air defense systems from Russia and not from them, this only bothers them.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 09: 26
        +21
        The purchase of the S-400 by Turkey has set a precedent, the mattresses fear that other NATO countries may take such a path.
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 8 March 2018 09: 58
          +5
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          The purchase of the S-400 by Turkey has set a precedent, the mattresses fear that other NATO countries may take such a path.

          Pasha with a birthday drinks oddly enough they already go, but this money is not in the piggy bank
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 10: 11
            +4
            Thank you drinks
            Quote: pjastolov
            this money is not a piggy bank striped

            That is precisely why they whine. lol
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 8 March 2018 10: 15
              +2
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              That's exactly why they whine

              they don’t whine anymore - they howl, from anger or from greed, it’s not clear the truth request
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 10: 20
                +2
                Quote: pjastolov
                from anger or from greed, the truth is not clear

                And they do not interfere with one another. yes
                1. pjastolov
                  pjastolov 8 March 2018 10: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  And they do not interfere with one another.

                  perhaps tolerance-geymentalit we do not understand request
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 10: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: pjastolov
                    tolerance-geymentality we do not understand

                    Do not even try. Better right away - a bullet in the forehead. wink
                    1. pjastolov
                      pjastolov 8 March 2018 10: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      Better right away - a bullet in the forehead.

                      I won’t give my own - she’s my personal lol
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 11: 18
                        +2
                        So I do not propose to share my. wink It’s necessary, with the engraving "On Fashington!" . soldier
                    2. pjastolov
                      pjastolov 8 March 2018 11: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      It’s necessary, with the engraving "On

                      So they delivered it to us, and what has changed?
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 11: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: pjastolov
                        So they delivered it to us, and what has changed?

                        So in the photo the address is not the one registered - that's why the hassle ...
            2. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 8 March 2018 10: 41
              +1
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Thank you

              Pasha, congratulations! To stand and the money was ... Brother for you! drinks
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 11: 19
                +2
                Thanks bro! drinks Break through (as you say) hehe! wink
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 8 March 2018 11: 57
          +6
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          The purchase of the S-400 by Turkey has set a precedent, the mattresses fear that other NATO countries may take such a path.

          Pasha, with a birthday wink Saudas are already in line. laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 00
            +1
            Thank you Vlad! drinks
            Quote: vlad66
            Saudas are already in line.

            And who is next? wink
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 8 March 2018 12: 06
              +6
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              And who is next

              There are many Pasha who wish, so the mattress stink is provided for a long time. laughing drinks
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 10
                +2
                Quote: vlad66
                mattress stink is provided for a long time

                Have we not yet developed immunity? what Ksyushad and other bulk basements do not take into account. wink
                1. vlad66
                  vlad66 8 March 2018 12: 23
                  +6
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Have we not yet developed immunity?

                  We have on the described mattresses only disgust and pity. laughing
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 8 March 2018 12: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: vlad66
                    We have on the described mattresses only disgust and pity.

                    Without words, Vlad:
        3. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 8 March 2018 20: 03
          0
          At one time, Greece created the incident. When I bought the S-300.
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 9 March 2018 12: 52
          0
          Greece received the S-300 at the time. Now everything is known about the S-300.
          I have two hands for the purchase of Turkey S-400. In the Turkish army, not everyone loves Erdogan, especially among military experts. Data on the complex will go to NATO very quickly.
      2. datur
        datur 8 March 2018 10: 02
        0
        exactly this is how many lards past the pockets of the American military-industrial complex !!!! wink
      3. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 8 March 2018 10: 39
        +3
        Quote: Spartanez300
        The only problem for the USA here is that Turkey buys air defense systems from Russia and not from them, this only bothers them.

        Think fine in "Israeli" .. Buying our air defense is protection from the USA and you can talk with them on equal terms, even send .. hehe
        Especially after an attempted military coup in Turkey and all sorts of hybrid revolutions ..
        Erdogan understood this perfectly, or rather Putin hinted to him. what will happen to him, if not Russia!
      4. garnik
        garnik 8 March 2018 11: 09
        +1
        As far as the United States knows, there is no desire to sell air defense systems to Turks. "Petriot" in Turkey was "sent" from other adequate NATO countries. In this showdown, the beneficiary is Turkey, she beautifully breeds two superpowers.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 8 March 2018 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: garnik
          In this showdown, the beneficiary is Turkey, she beautifully breeds two superpowers.

          And what about the S-400 are supplied free of charge? Am I missing something?
          1. garnik
            garnik 8 March 2018 12: 22
            +1
            It's not about money, although on credit and at meager interest. And the fact is that even NATO countries do not trust their ally for military unification, and we are deceived by their temporary misunderstanding in business and are ready to arm one of our main opponents.
    2. Strips
      Strips 8 March 2018 09: 16
      +1

      Who is this Paul?


      Peter who ..
      1. dorz
        dorz 8 March 2018 09: 47
        +1
        The whole point of buying a S-400 is the best price / quality ratio. The issue price is hundreds of $ million.
        1. 73bor
          73bor 8 March 2018 10: 06
          0
          It's you when you buy a car you can talk about price and quality, the S-400 does not require any integration, it is a self-sufficient complex, Greece has been armed with my S-300V for how many years and nothing!
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 8 March 2018 10: 37
            +1
            you just don’t remember how much dirt was poured onto Greece for this complex .. They threatened us up to expulsion from NATO .. ​​And the opportunity to look into the technical documentation won because Kazakhstan didn’t have such a modification of the S-300.
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 8 March 2018 09: 59
        +4
        so Peter or Paul? or one in two persons?
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 8 March 2018 10: 47
          +1
          Quote: pjastolov
          so Peter or Paul? or one in two persons?

          Emphasis on the letter e. Paul.
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 8 March 2018 11: 00
            +2
            Quote: Hagalaz
            Emphasis on the letter e. Paul.

            and what has changed? DOCUMENT OR DOCUMENT, but, only where lies - Portfolio or briefcase
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 8 March 2018 11: 23
              +1
              Well, for example, there is the Russian surname Pavlov. And how in another language the surname is formed, we do not know. Moreover, it can only be a word consonant with the name Paul and meaning something else.
              1. pjastolov
                pjastolov 8 March 2018 11: 33
                +2
                Quote: Hagalaz
                and meaning something else.

                this is the meaning and I would like to know laughing
                1. Hagalaz
                  Hagalaz 8 March 2018 12: 12
                  0
                  Interested in himself, he dug a little. And for example, in Dahl’s dictionary, he found that pavel, with an emphasis on a, has the meaning of SPIDER. We think we’re connecting fantasy. In another language, stress could shift. But it’s better of course the Czechs will ask if this is so.
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 March 2018 09: 20
      +9
      GDP needs to be squeezed by Erdogan so that Turkey leaves NATO completely - then NATO will be just a boot-maker of the American military, however European members are now ... laughing
      1. garnik
        garnik 8 March 2018 11: 16
        +1
        Erdogan is a patriot of his country and he is not a suicide to leave from under the USA. And Russia for them is a market for consumer goods and not only that, Turks successfully maneuver between two geopolitical opponents ..
    4. 210ox
      210ox 8 March 2018 09: 21
      +1
      They already seemed to rank the air defense system as offensive weapons ... The circus left, the clowns remained.
      Quote: Crowe
      Pavel fears that the Russians will have access to “critical intelligence”, which will subsequently be transferred to the military leadership of the Russian Federation.

      Peter Pavel is not afraid in vain. Everything will be as soon as possible. We’ll write everything down, document everything, draw up everything. Remember, if necessary.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 8 March 2018 10: 43
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        They already seemingly ranked the air defense system as offensive weapons ...


        The fact that Turkey chooses Russia as a partner is an attack on NATO

        They can't put up with it

        Another thing is that Edorgan pursues his goals, causing tension in the United States, so the story will not end soon

        Peter Pavel - Peter and Paul Fortress, Petropavlovsk ..?

        This Czech general, who is he really?
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 9 March 2018 03: 00
          0
          Quote: bulvas
          The fact that Turkey chooses Russia as a partner

          Are you joking? Turkey chooses ... 14 times to mug in the face and then choose, this is wrong. And do not care about the 90s.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 9 March 2018 09: 48
            0
            Quote: iliitch
            Quote: bulvas
            The fact that Turkey chooses Russia as a partner

            Are you joking? Turkey chooses ... 14 times to mug in the face and then choose, this is wrong. And do not care about the 90s.


            So in geopolitics they do not argue, there are other concepts
        2. faridg7
          faridg7 9 March 2018 03: 07
          +1
          Quote: bulvas
          This Czech general, who is he really?

          Judging by the statements and the situation, this is a traitor to the Czech people who sold his country to the Americans
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 March 2018 12: 10
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        They already seemingly ranked the air defense system as offensive weapons ...

        This, apparently, after the missile from the Osa-M air defense system of the Mirage missile system, the Georgian boat sank.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 8 March 2018 09: 30
      0
      Nonsense! In the same way, we can copy the NATO system with the same S-400 from bases bordering Russia. Or are they special in Turkey? winked
    6. sabakina
      sabakina 8 March 2018 09: 38
      +5
      Quote: Crowe
      Peter Pavel is not afraid in vain. Everything will be as soon as possible. We’ll write everything down, document everything, draw up everything.

      All the same, think about how many verbs there are in the Russian language on this subject: to shame, slam, steal, communize, (obscene), probably even I don’t know everything. In general, the poor are tormented ....
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  3. Russia
    Russia 8 March 2018 09: 21
    +10
    On all sides, the confusion of NATO.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 March 2018 09: 26
    +2
    Pavel fears that the Russians will have access to “critical intelligence”, which will subsequently be transferred to the military leadership of the Russian Federation.

    Уscout everything from Nata, and it will not be in nature! laughing
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 8 March 2018 09: 40
      +5
      aszzz888, what will you scout? Where is Nata entering, and where is leaving? wink
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 8 March 2018 09: 58
        +3
        sabakina Today, 09: 40 ↑
        aszzz888, what will you scout? Where is Nata entering, and where is leaving? wink

        What about humor? Look at the world "wider" ... and do not be offended.
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 8 March 2018 10: 02
        +2
        Quote: sabakina
        Where is Nata entering, and where is leaving?

  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 8 March 2018 09: 26
    +2
    What are the truths of Peter Paul broadcasting, is he still an hour, not Matthew?
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 8 March 2018 09: 33
    +4
    I hope the contract states that in a situation that ensured the transfer of information about the complex to other NATO countries, are the Turks obliged to pay compensation in the amount of 10 000% of the transaction amount?
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 8 March 2018 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      I hope the contract states that in a situation that ensured the transfer of information about the complex to other NATO countries, are the Turks obliged to pay compensation in the amount of 10 000% of the transaction amount?

      So they gave them the S-400 as relatives, as for themselves, yeah. After the export "rite of circumcision" there is nothing to steal. And why is there a "contraption with a rope", they are embarrassed to understand. As long as they understand, Bashibuzuki, a new bazooka will be available.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 8 March 2018 10: 42
        +3
        I know very well how “ours” differ from “theirs”))) The thing is that even in the western west even our “theirs” versions of complexes are a wonderful miracle and marvelous, since their “patriot” has proved its worthlessness many times. And they are learning from our export designs. but somehow I didn’t hear from us that a country friendly to us would buy new models of equipment from our enemy, and then give them to us for study.
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 8 March 2018 12: 34
          0
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          somehow I didn’t hear that some country friendly to us bought new models of equipment from our enemy, and then passed them to us for study.

          laughing . But father will buy a superpowerful patriot, then he will sell him Shoigu. Why are we, Indians, to pay for plagued blankets? wassat . His own, only his own.
          Here are the Chinese tormented with photocopying the Su-35 engine, it seems, they spat, they took up their own, because they don’t grow together with the resource.
          That magpie on the tail brought, links do not wait.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 March 2018 09: 41
    +2
    The main "problem" of NATO is that our weapons are better, more reliable and cheaper, and everything else is crafty!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 8 March 2018 12: 51
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The main "problem" of NATO is that our weapons are better

      Damn, well, what could be more perfect than Kalashnikov? Simple as scrap, and as reliable as a wife.
      Happy Holidays, women present here.
      1. cats
        cats 8 March 2018 19: 22
        +3
        Damn, I’m directly representing a real Bender reading you .. laughing
        Beer, cigar ... Bending machine .. laughing good
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 March 2018 09: 42
    +2
    Just a "feast of disobedience" may continue ... And this is what Amerovsky military-industrial complex is most afraid of. Fashion for Russian air defense can take root. Try it later sell your obsolete "Patriot" at exorbitant prices ... wassat
  9. bogart047
    bogart047 8 March 2018 09: 43
    +1
    The S-400 will not be integrated into the air defense system, but will receive critical data from there. This is magic ...
  10. steelmaker
    steelmaker 8 March 2018 09: 52
    +5
    And it bothers me, technological cooperation for the production of complexes in Turkey! Why and why should we share high technology with Turkey?
    1. Dude
      Dude 8 March 2018 10: 23
      -2
      Sultan must be given to earn extra money winked
      Own industry? No, not heard! negative
  11. alex-cn
    alex-cn 8 March 2018 09: 52
    0
    Strange, the Greeks have been using our air defense systems for quite some time, but I don’t remember such hysterical cries about this.
  12. d1975
    d1975 8 March 2018 09: 59
    +4
    Quote: Spartanez300
    The only problem for the USA here is that Turkey buys air defense systems from Russia and not from them, this only bothers them.

    And not only that. Turkey is becoming a non-puppet in the hands of the United States. And throwing Erdogash with bombs from the heart, if anything, fails. For the money that they buy, the teapots will not be on duty there. In the event of an attack by Turkey, more than one NATO aircraft may not return home to the base. It seems the bending of the amers stops working. So they scream out loud. yes
  13. smart ass
    smart ass 8 March 2018 10: 05
    +2
    NATO envies technology in their trash, Turkey will have normal current
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 8 March 2018 10: 31
    0
    As far as I know, ours and even China were not promised to share the production technologies of the S-400, and even more so to produce on foreign territory. But the Turks have not yet proven their trust in order to transfer technology to them!
  15. Vita vko
    Vita vko 8 March 2018 10: 34
    +2
    It seems like a very short memory
    Heads of the Military Committee of the North Atlantic Bloc Peter Paul.
    . Unlike Turkey, he clearly forgot how NATO "supported" Turkey during the military conflict in Cyprus, last year’s coup attempt, not to mention Gulen and the support of YPG Kurdish terrorists.
    Therefore, even if NATO would suddenly decide to integrate the S-400 into Turkey’s air defense system, the Turkish military would send them far and for a long time. The thing is that, as such, the NATO air defense system in Turkey has never been and never will be. What NATO is considered to be a unified information system in Turkey, as in most developed NATO countries, is simply physically isolated from national air defense information and intelligence systems. In order for a ship or plane to become visible in the NATO information system, it needs to enable a special mode like SkyLine. Then, electronic maps of all 28 NATO countries will display information on the real whereabouts of a military ship or aircraft. That's just to avoid leaks, even in the joint exercises of such nonsense, the NATO military is trying not to.
  16. Esoteric
    Esoteric 8 March 2018 10: 51
    0
    The head of the Military Committee of the North Atlantic Bloc, Peter Pavel, making such statements and conducting anti-Russian hysteria, must remember that neither Peter nor Pavel will meet him at the gates. And the "pineapple", which Nikki Jr. has already grown, is waiting for its application ... lol
  17. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 8 March 2018 11: 00
    0
    Petra himself is convinced that Turkey will gradually have to abandon NATO.
  18. Rostislav
    Rostislav 8 March 2018 11: 20
    0
    Turkish authorities have decided to purchase two S-400 batteries. The parties also agreed on technological cooperation to develop the production of complexes in Turkey.

    What is this nonsense? NATO technology C-400? Why, it seems that even the traitor Bakatin is resting, having transferred the wiretapping scheme to the Americans in the new building of the US embassy complex.
    1. figter
      figter 8 March 2018 11: 50
      0
      What is this nonsense? NATO technology C-400? Why, it seems that even the traitor Bakatin is resting, having transferred the wiretapping scheme to the Americans in the new building of the US embassy complex.

      To do this, and buy two batteries. They will test, fly around, find all weak points, draw frequencies, types of signals ... Good luck, keep it up!
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 8 March 2018 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: figter
        NATO members production technology S-400? But here, it seems, even the traitor Bakatin is resting, having handed over the wiretapping scheme to the Americans in the new building of the US embassy complex.

        Of course, no one will transfer 100% technology, and the Turkish military-industrial complex will not pull it. Too expensive for the sake of 2 or 3 regiment sets, which completely block the entire Turkish airspace. But in the 21st century it’s not worth worrying about the frequencies and types of signals, all this has long been known. In systems such as S-400, the most important are combat control and guidance algorithms. Here it will transfer everything to a minimum with edits to the export version. Theoretically, Turkish, as well as Chinese engineers in the future will be able to improve these algorithms, but in time it will take more than one year for development and the same for testing. Thus, in any country that purchases technology, it doesn’t matter which way, a systemic technical lag is created behind the developer by at least 3-5 years.
        In addition, Russia is making serious investments in the Turkish economy, such as the construction of a gas pipeline and a nuclear power plant. And such projects need to be well protected. Therefore, the Turkish military themselves are vitally interested that these technologies would not go further than Turkey.
        1. figter
          figter 8 March 2018 17: 03
          0
          Yes, they do not need technology. They need combat and technical capabilities, potential for development and modernization. And then they will select effective ways of counteracting, turning the effectiveness of the funds invested in it into inefficiency. Friends they are "wonderful", nowhere better ... We were so friendly with the Germans before 22 June 1941
  19. Steklodel
    Steklodel 8 March 2018 22: 38
    0
    They and others in the east need a little independence from the network-centricity of NATA, because a small rebellion against the authorities in Turkey showed that NATA might not support it. Just wait and see who wins giving money to both of them.
  20. Zina389
    Zina389 9 March 2018 00: 47
    0
    We must equip NATO. And then they have bad air defense, so it's not fair. Moreover, you can earn on the arms race from two sides, so to speak.
  21. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter 9 March 2018 10: 58
    0
    NATO does not know where the "button" is, that's rushing about ..
  22. weddu
    weddu 11 March 2018 21: 12
    0
    Turkey with Russia. Or Russia with Turkey. We must protect each other. Otherwise, there will be neither Turkey nor Russia ...