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Poisoned feather. Paradoxes of the Soviet press of the era of the Great Patriotic War ... (1)

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For a long time, we didn’t address the topic of publications in Soviet newspapers of the 30-40s of the last century, that is, the materials of the Poisoned Pen series. For those who see the material of this series for the first time, we will explain that they, in examples from a number of Russian pre-revolutionary newspapers and Soviet newspapers, are talking about the fact that our domestic journalists, due to some truly fatal circumstances, did not strengthen their writings their country and state (while in his service!), how many ... they fell apart. Well, well, before the revolution, they had, let's say, for this reason. But why this tradition continued in the era of the USSR? And people seemed to be trying their best, but it turned out “as always!”


True, there is such a good saying: “make the fool pray to God, he will break his whole forehead”. That is, it is about the fact that when a not very intelligent and knowledgeable person is taken to do something, then do not expect anything good. For example, a journalist can be taught to write, why not? But if he does not have a common culture or the intellect is “so-so”, then he will not write anything good. She will try, but only spoil everything, because “crazy is the head of a shabal”! This introduction, and specifically on this topic, we will consider this time how our Soviet newspapers wrote about the events of the Great Patriotic War ...

Everyone knows that 22 June 1941 was a turning point in the life of our country. The Great Patriotic War began, and the Soviet media immediately began to perform the relevant wartime tasks. Significantly reduced the volume of peripheral editions. For example, such a regional newspaper, as the “Stalin flag,” began to appear on only two pages, and its circulation was reduced from 40 to 34 thousand, and only 4800 copies were sold at retail [1]. True, this had practically no effect on national newspapers, which at that time became the main mouthpiece of propaganda in the USSR.

Since the newspaper was prepared in advance for the new day, the 23 of June 1941 was urgently printed in the “Stalin banner” newspaper bulletin, where the “Speech on the radio of the vice-president of the State Council of People’s Commissars of the USSR and the People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs Comrade T. V.M. Molotov ”from 22 June 1941 of the year, which announced the attack of fascist Germany and the beginning of the war. Soviet citizens were called for solidarity, discipline, and dedication to ensure victory over the enemy. The speech ended with the words: “Our cause is just. The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours". Together with the speech of V.M. Molotov published the decrees of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the establishment of martial law in some areas of the USSR and on the mobilization of military service in a number of military districts [2].

The "Bulletin ..." reported on the first reaction of residents of the Penza region to the enemy invasion. Everywhere there were crowded meetings of representatives of local authorities, intellectuals, workers, peasants, patriotic resolutions were adopted, and residents of the city and region declared their readiness to go to the front as volunteers. Local materials, of course, immediately supplemented with TASS materials.


The English "Matilda", and even on the first page of the November issue of Pravda and of such a size ... That was significant at that time, and the Soviet citizens, who were reading between the lines, understood well why this was so.

Of course, all the "political correctness" of Soviet newspapers and pro-German rhetoric that occurred in relation to Hitler Germany after the signing of the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" were immediately dropped. Now the German fascists were compared with dogs, Hitler from the chancellor of the German people again turned into a cannibal, the German attack on the Soviet Union was depicted as a terrible crime, and in examples of domestic stories It was shown that the Russian people always renounced to the aggressor according to the merits of [3]. But more recently, the same newspapers published government statements that “we can watch quite calmly how this fascism is used for the hopeless work of saving the capitalist system” and that “with the help of fascism itself our own proletarian cause is being done”, and that “fascism helps the growth of the class self-consciousness of the working class” [4].

The usual practice of the prewar Soviet periodicals was that virtually every strip of the newspaper was opened with a slogan or a quote from the speeches of I.V. Stalin or V.M. Molotov. However, now many headlines began to have the character of “slogans-spells,” for example: “For the Motherland, for Stalin!” [5], “The Soviet people will respond with a provocative blow of the enemy with a mighty triple blow” [6], “Mighty the Soviet people will sweep the fascist barbarians off the face of the earth! ”[7],“ Under the leadership of Stalin - to defeat the enemy! ”[8], etc. It also published the first report of the Red Army High Command for 22 June 1941 of the year, which reported that our troops shot down 65 enemy planes on that day, and its strikes were reflected almost everywhere [9].

Confidence that they would help us should have been instilled by the “Churchill's speech on the radio”, published on the fourth page, which said that “we will provide Russia and the Russian people any help we can” and that “the danger to Russia is ours danger, and danger to the United States ... "[10]. A day later, US President Roosevelt issued a statement on assistance to the Soviet Union and on removing the sequest from Soviet funds [11], introduced after the USSR attacked Finland in the fall of 1939, while excluding it from the League of Nations. And “very timely” notes appeared that the plight of the peasants is observed in Romania, wheat crops are flooded in Hungary, and food speculation is in Italy [12].

The first front-line correspondence appeared - reprints from central newspapers, testifying, first of all, to the extremely low professional level of their authors. So, in the material “Attack tanks"M. Ruzova on June 25 (reprint from the Izvestia newspaper) it was reported that our machine gunner, being in the tank, was wounded by a shell fragment, but the battle continued (!) [13]. Meanwhile, this should not have been written, if only because tanks, in principle, should not break through shell fragments. And this would be the very “truth” that could have been completely silent!


Soviet pilots in the British aircraft. It was not necessary to write such articles. Any comparative information in the context of political and economic confrontation is harmful!

Here was published the story of a captured German pilot who stated that “we don’t want to fight with the Russians, we fight tired, we are tired of the war, for which we don’t know” and data on the losses of the Red Army for June 22,23 and 24, which reported that Soviet aviation it lost mainly 374 aircraft at airfields, and 161 aircraft in the air and 200 at airfields were destroyed by the enemy [14]. According to the report of the High Command of the Red Army for June 23, “during the day the enemy sought to develop an offensive along the entire front from the Baltic to the Black Sea”, but “had no success”. This was followed by comforting news that “in the morning the enemy, who had wedged onto our territory, was defeated and thrown out of the state border by counterattacks of our troops, while up to 300 enemy tanks were destroyed by our artillery fire in the Šiauliai direction.” Aviation "conducted successful battles, covering troops, airfields, settlements and military facilities from enemy air attacks and assisting our troops' counterattacks." It was also reported that “On June 22 and 23 we captured about five thousand German soldiers and officers” [15].

The presentation of materials remained the same as when covering events in Spain in 1936 - 1939. That is, our troops everywhere had success, the soldiers and officers of the Red Army acted in droves with high efficiency, and the enemy everywhere suffered huge losses. It was reported that the losses of the German army in the first three weeks of the war were truly threatening: “The Soviet aviation, which Hitler's boasts declared to be broken in the first days of the war,” according to updated data, destroyed more than 2300 German aircraft and continues to systematically destroy enemy planes ... German troops lost more Xnumx tanks. During the same period, we lost 3000 aircraft and 1900 tanks ”[2200]. However, it was not clear how after all these successes, the Soviet troops retreating farther and farther, and the German army, consisting mainly of soldiers who do not “want to fight,” continues to successfully advance on Soviet soil further and further! It is not clear why information about our losses was given at all. People would easily understand that this is secret information. They wouldn’t even have wondered about this, and it was possible to write so that now there is no possibility to take into account all the losses of our troops, but after the Victory everything will be done and no one will be forgotten!

The cellars of the fourth strip were often set aside for short stories and journalistic essays. Moreover, in these materials, as before, criticism of fascism as a phenomenon that completely disappeared from the content of Soviet newspapers after 23 August 1939 of the year again sounded: “The hidden thoughts of the working people of Germany” [17], “Prison country” [18], “Hunger of fascist Germany ”[19] painted an extremely dark and hungry picture of the life of the German people, which on the one hand certainly met the aspirations and hopes of Soviet citizens, but on the other could not but generate“ questions without answers ”. At the same time, it was immediately reported about the abundance of products in the Kiev markets [20], which by and large was a mistake of the Soviet propagandists, since such information was published in the hope of a quick victory over the enemy, and just this was not destined to be realized in a short time. And with reference to newspapers and magazines in Germany (!), The Soviet press reported on how the German press praised horse meat, dog and cat meat, “paraffin oil” and “woody margarine”! Meanwhile, the extremes are good in the stories of the “OBS Agency” (“one grandmother said”). In the press, especially the state, it was necessary to write more streamlined and avoid extremes. It is always easy to catch on them who wrote later and ... blame the entire press for lying!


Here, under this photo, it was necessary to write something completely different, namely, that our industry produces excellent automatic rifles, which the Germans do not have. It was necessary to name their brand, creator, to take and place his interview in the newspaper, and that in him he would tell what impression he personally made the call to the Kremlin to Comrade Stalin, and how he was interested in his work and warmly responded about himself and his team fellow workers, including locksmith Ostapchuk and cleaning lady Aunt Glushu! And only then write about the success of snipers proper.

Or, for example, the article "The bestial face of German fascism." In it, the author told about the horrors of beatings and executions in Germany, but for some reason only until the autumn of 1939, although he noted that the terror there intensified with the start of the war [21]. But it did not explain why for two whole years our press did not mention a word about these atrocities, which undoubtedly undermined the credibility of propaganda as a whole. An error was, for example, the article that “the Hitler regime was a copy of the Russian Tsarism” [22], because there were still many people who lived under the tsarist regime and understood that there was an obvious “overlap” and who would lie in the small , he can lie and in big!

The newspaper paid much attention to maintaining the national spirit through the publication of materials on historical themes. About Russian victories weapons in past wars and on the heroism of the Russian people, such articles as “People’s Commander” (about AV Suvorov), “The defeat of Napoleon”, “The feat of Susanin”, “The Battle of the Ice” were told. Moreover, the last article narrated how “armed with domestic axes, spears, bows with wooden arrows” simple peasants and artisans beat “knight-dogs” [23], which was a clear distortion of historical realities even at that time. Similarly, the entire victory over the Teutonic Order in the Battle of Grunwald was attributed exclusively to the Russian troops, since “the Lithuanians from the battlefield fled”, and “Polish troops began to hesitate” [24]. The rise of the patriotic spirit should also be promoted by the texts of such songs published in the newspaper as “Semyon Budyonny”, “Beat from the sky, airplanes!”, “Clicked Voroshilov's army”. There was even a “passage from the“ folk tale ”“ Alive Chapaev! ”[25], because at the time a very similar plot was shown on the screens of cinemas.

1. ГАПО.Ф.554. Оп.1.Д. 69.Л.16
2. The newsletter of the newspaper "Stalin banner" 23 June 1941 c. 1
3. Ibid. C.1.
4. XII Moscow provincial party conference. Speech tov. Kamenev / / True. 16 May 1924. No.103. C.4
5. Stalin's Banner. 24 June 1941. No.146. C.1
6. Ibid. C.3
7. Ibid. 26 June 1941. No.148. C.2
8. Ibid. 21 July 1941. No.170. C.1
9. Ibid. 24 June 1941. No.146. C.1
10. Ibid. C.4
11. Stalin's Banner. 26 June 1941. No.148. C.4.
12. Ibid. 24 June 1941. No.146. C.4.
13. Ruzov. M. Attack of tanks // Stalin Banner. 26 June 1941. No.148. C.1
14. Ibid. 26 June 1941. No.148. C.1
15. News. 24 June 1941. No.147. C.1; Stalin's Banner. 25 June 1941. No. 147. C.1
16. Ibid. 15 July 1941. No.153. C.1
17. Stalin's Banner. 29 June 1941. No.151. C.4
18. Ibid.1 July 1941. No.152. C.4
19. Lidin Y. Hunger in Nazi Germany // Stalin's Banner. 29 July 1941. No.174. C.2
20. Ibid. 26 June 1941. No.148. C.4
21. Lorin K. The Feral Face of German Fascism // Stalin's Banner. 13 July 1941. No. 163.C.2
22. Demidov K. Hitler's regime - a copy of Russian Tsarism // Stalin's Banner. January 31 1942. No.28. C.4
23. Stalin's Banner. 29 June 1941. No.151. C.3
24. Ruben. S. The defeat of the Germans under the Grunwald / / Stalin Banner. 13 June 1941. No.163. C.4
25. Stalin's Banner. 29 June 1941. No.151. C.3


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  1. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 14 March 2018 07: 27
    +4
    Yes, now all Rezuns and similar brethren use it.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 March 2018 09: 00
      +5
      There is a double feeling from the article .. And that in those conditions it was necessary to write a bitter truth, to sprinkle ashes on the head? It was necessary to lift the people to the utmost (even by distorting some facts).
      Quote: cth; fyn
      Yes, now all Rezuns and similar brethren use it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 March 2018 10: 38
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        There is a double feeling from the article ..

        Here, even without a doubt - the author is not a successful propagandist
  2. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 14 March 2018 07: 28
    +7
    You are too demanding of journalists! Most of them also write not for academics, but for a simple layman who needs to satisfy his cheers with patriotic requests (such as many articles and comments by VO), for this, the journalist and the layman need not understand the intricacies of the technique of economic policy.
    About fragments in the tank: everything can be. Previously, the tanks didn’t have an anti-fragmentation hit, therefore, when a shell hit, the armor was not broken, but the fragments that hit the crew refused from the inside of the armor! Also, under the fragments, the journalist could take rivets that connected the armor, and which also opened upon impact and injured tankers
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 14 March 2018 08: 11
      +3
      Well then, you should consult with a military specialist before sending an article to the press, for example, with the commander of this tank or the tank crew himself, take an interview, such an article is a negligent attitude to his work, and negligence can have a wide variety of consequences, he can wind up a blacksmith, or he can embarrass reader of the newspaper.
      1. tasha
        tasha 14 March 2018 08: 34
        0
        such an article is a negligent attitude towards

        Where do you see neglect? Perhaps this is not about this article in question, but still ...

        At this moment, an enemy shell hit our tower. The splinter hit my hand. Clinging even harder to the shoulder rest of the machine gun, I gave a long line. But the enemy did not shoot. It was destroyed by comrade Sivanovsky. Sergeant A. Melnikov writes about this combat episode in the front-line newspaper Red Army.


        It all depends not only on the writer, but also on the reader ... "Someone loves oranges, and someone likes boxes from them" .. or simpler - "the pig will find dirt" ...
        1. kalibr
          14 March 2018 09: 09
          +1
          It's not about the dirt! SHARDS IN SOVIET TANKS COULD NOT BE PRINCIPAL. To write like that is correct. Otherwise - unprofessional!
          1. tasha
            tasha 14 March 2018 09: 13
            +5
            SHARDS IN SOVIET TANKS COULD NOT BE PRINCIPAL.

            Have you seen enough movies in the morning about evil political instructors? wink Just kidding...

            To march over articles of that time, it seems to me, is not very beautiful ...
            1. kalibr
              14 March 2018 09: 36
              +1
              This is not malice, but a normal, quite scientific process of working with sources.
              1. tasha
                tasha 14 March 2018 09: 59
                +4
                To normal, to whom and not.
                For example, my impression of reading your article is not the best ... These authors have not been alive for a long time, but you "wrote it wrong, wrote it wrong" ... At what time these materials were written ...
                1. kalibr
                  14 March 2018 10: 29
                  0
                  And there are many who are not alive and are written about them even worse ...
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 14 March 2018 10: 49
                    +2
                    Yes Yes. So he killed a man .. But he didn’t eat it ... wink
                    Good excuse ...
              2. svp67
                svp67 14 March 2018 10: 39
                +5
                Quote: kalibr
                This is not malice, but a normal, quite scientific process of working with sources.

                This is "pulling an owl on a globe"
          2. svp67
            svp67 14 March 2018 10: 39
            +6
            Quote: kalibr
            SHARDS IN SOVIET TANKS COULD NOT BE PRINCIPAL.

            It is only in YOUR DREAMS.
          3. Moore
            Moore 14 March 2018 11: 24
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            It's not about the dirt! SHARDS IN SOVIET TANKS COULD NOT BE PRINCIPAL. To write like that is correct. Otherwise - unprofessional!

            The author of the article emphasized the behavior of the machine gunner, and not the fact of his wounding with a fragment inside the tank. In the end, he could ride, leaning out of the hatch, and was wounded by a shrapnel from a nearby projectile burst. There is no reason to blame the author for lack of professionalism.
    2. your1970
      your1970 14 March 2018 09: 16
      +3
      1) the subtleties of weapons and its nuances are unknown even to many military men (who do not directly face this). Somewhere I came across - that one of the main (!!) gunners Wehrmacht confused the gun belay with howitzer belay in exercises
      To the civilian population - they are not known in principle
      2) the mention of "foreign cars" - supported the spirit of the army / population ("England and America are for us !!"). Vsezh to fight and live easier - when someone helps and this is an important factor
      3) "People would easily understand that this secret intelligence. It would not have occurred to them to be interested in this, and it could have been written so that now there is no way to take into account all the losses of our troops, but after the Victory everything will be done and no one will be forgotten! "-
      a)when our people see “secretly” they begin to make every effort to find out what the secret is (although he absolutely does not need it!).
      b) in the 70s, an experiment was conducted in the KGB about the speed of information dissemination — a certain number of agents told a funny joke - and the rest recorded the time when this joke was told to them. In Moscow, it turned out that the speed of information flow from 10 to 12 hours. And it WITHOUT sotikov / Ineta / social networks ...
      4) talk NOW knowing the outcome of the war is very easy. At that moment - ALL was unknown. Try now to predict what will happen in May (at least with a 60% guarantee) - and if you do not guess, pinch yourself ..
      I’m afraid you just won’t be able to sit (to be honest, try your foresight)
      1. kalibr
        14 March 2018 09: 35
        0
        All this is done so that the past does not recur. Does it seem so easy to you? Go to the library or archive and re-read the TRUTH, NOTES, AND THE RED Banner in the 1418 days of the war. It will be interesting to what conclusions you come to.
        1. your1970
          your1970 14 March 2018 13: 46
          +5
          1) we can’t judge what will happen tomorrow - based on what happened yesterday. Teresa May will fall with a heart attack now and I’m even afraid to think - will they declare war on us right there? Nuclear?
          2)
          Quote: kalibr
          It's not about the dirt! SHARDS IN SOVIET TANKS COULD NOT BE PRINCIPAL. To write like that is correct. Otherwise - unprofessional!
          -father served in Germany on the T-10. They had a training shelling of tank crews. The crew got into a training T-10 and shot at it from a training T-34 (with 76 mm) with blanks of a certain distance. They obviously couldn’t break through the T-10 (everything is safe), just the crews (like horses!) Were accustomed to shelling - they removed animal fear. Only his father said that after shelling his face was itchy and small fragments (like pieces of needles) happened to be picked out. And this T-10 is a beast compared to the T-26 ..

          And you are proposing to lie to the population for a spiritual upsurge - "they say there are no fragments in Soviet tanks." And then the population at one point will say - "Are you all lying !!" and will be right
          1. kalibr
            14 March 2018 21: 08
            0
            Dont lie! What for? Just do not write about it, that’s all. Why write when you are not asked. It is important that, having been wounded in battle, he did not leave the battle. And what, yes how, yes what caliber - it does not matter. Is this really necessary to explain? But do not be afraid of nuclear war. "There" Russian missiles scare their workers, ours - ours;
        2. svp67
          svp67 14 March 2018 19: 47
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          It will be interesting to what conclusions you come to.

          And there is one conclusion - ALL FOR THE FRONT, ALL FOR THE VICTORY
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 March 2018 07: 47
    +5
    The state order in the field of informatics has never been canceled anywhere. For some time, such songs, even then, even now! Talented and smart always were not enough.
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 14 March 2018 07: 50
    +3
    With the outbreak of World War II, political correctness was discarded not only against the Germans. They were closed - newspaper Unbeliever and magazine Atheist at the machineall atheistic propaganda was instantly minimized, the authorities began to cooperate with the Church in the matter of patriotic education of the population.
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 08: 21
      +3
      You prompted me well, thanks!
  5. kipage
    kipage 14 March 2018 08: 00
    +18
    And the apt name is Poisoned Feather ...
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 08: 17
      +2
      These are chapters from a book that is scheduled for publication. Therefore, they worked on the name for a long time.
      1. kipage
        kipage 14 March 2018 08: 33
        +15
        thanks for the clarifications hi
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 14 March 2018 08: 05
    +6
    The meaning is clear, the Soviet press should not have written like that during the war .. Only that’s interesting, during the WWII, the Russian press behaved differently, criticized the government, published articles denigrating the imperial family, articles like "Stupidity or treason" ... Why is this led ... to the February revolution .. grains were thrown ... Probably, the Soviet press would do the same ... They would have won faster ... For "a real artist should tell the truth" ... hf "Adventures of Electronics" ....
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 14 March 2018 08: 13
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      in the years of the WWII, the Russian press conducted differently

      It was not the Russian press, the more heinous and vile newspapers of those years, it is simply hard to imagine.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 14 March 2018 08: 40
        +5
        Exactly the same press was in Russia all the 90 years, remember how the first Chechen one was covered.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 14 March 2018 08: 44
          +4
          Yes, that's right, but the perestroika press is arrogant, deceitful, which prepared the collapse of the Union.
          Stalin was able to correctly assess the situation, discard all ideological husk and correctly build campaign work, including in print.
      2. kalibr
        14 March 2018 09: 06
        +1
        Read the newspapers of that time, see for yourself!
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 14 March 2018 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      The meaning is clear, the Soviet press should not have written like that during the war .. Only that’s interesting, during the WWII, the Russian press behaved differently, criticized the government, published articles denigrating the imperial family, articles like "Stupidity or treason" ... Why is this led ... to the February revolution .. grains were thrown ....

      Absolutely right! Our propaganda did everything it could. Yes, there were mediocrity, but in what "branch of the national" economy "they are not there !? If a note about aliens would raise the spirit of the Soviet people, then it would be happy to print. Then everything rushed to the Altar of Victory, including lodges for Salvation.
      1. kalibr
        14 March 2018 09: 29
        +3
        I agree with you that "lie for salvation." But then this should have been such a lie, so that later you would not be caught on it !!!! Because then on this "lie" you can very well warm your hands and declare all propaganda false, and this should never be allowed! That is, roughly speaking ... "you can lie, but VERY carefully." But it is better by and large not to do this. HIGH-MORAL BEHAVIOR IS ALWAYS RATIONAL.
  7. kalibr
    14 March 2018 08: 16
    0
    Quote: K.A.S.
    About fragments in the tank: everything can be. Previously, the tanks didn’t have an anti-fragmentation hit, therefore, when a shell hit, the armor was not broken, but the fragments that hit the crew refused from the inside of the armor! Also, under the fragments, the journalist could take rivets that connected the armor, and which also opened upon impact and injured tankers

    All right! But why write about it? Why not keep silent about such "details"?
    1. tasha
      tasha 14 March 2018 08: 54
      +2
      You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, please do not be angry. But you can read the press in different ways. And understand in different ways. Where is the line between reinsurance “no matter what happens” and really important points? How was V.S.Pikul there? I don’t remember verbatim, but something like, “And remember, as one leader wrote that when dodging enemy bombs, Soviet submariners dived to such depth that deep bombs exploded harmlessly overhead. The Germans read this and now their bombs do not burst overhead. .. "
      1. kalibr
        14 March 2018 09: 04
        +2
        Why are you angry? Just ... you have to think when you write about the consequences. And then first we sculpt one image of the Germans, then another. First, black Americans hang, then they are our friends, then again they are bad ... and then the person says “journalism is a girl”. And there is a lack of intelligence both for those who write and those who direct them. That's all!
        1. tasha
          tasha 14 March 2018 09: 17
          +1
          Of course to think. And not journalism, but specific journalists ...
          State-owned media are a means of propaganda, and there is no escape from this. Everything is good in moderation .. Without this, you know, "Uh, friend Bill .. Uh."
          1. kalibr
            14 March 2018 09: 26
            0
            This is what we are talking about! The trouble is that as it was written by Trenev in the drama "Love of Spring" we "do not know the measures in love or hatred." And it’s time to ...
            1. tasha
              tasha 14 March 2018 09: 30
              +1
              Are you ready to judge what is in moderation and what is not in moderation?
              1. kalibr
                14 March 2018 09: 50
                +2
                Of course! This is part of my professional competence - to evaluate the results of public opinion management. Moreover, I want to advise both you and others to read this book, I just published:
                It describes in great detail how in what ways you can influence public opinion. And by the end of the year, a textbook for masters in the discipline "Management of Public Opinion" will be released. This material will go there as a chapter, with all references to the source.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 14 March 2018 10: 10
                  +4
                  So far I have on the line "Psychology of the Masses" by G. Lebon ... For a long time already ...

                  Still, writing about an article about snipers is something like: “Here under this photo should have written something completely different, namely, that our industry produces excellent automatic rifles that the Germans do not have ...” is incorrect, as I think. The article is about snipers. Specific fighters. From these pieces, a bad picture formed. Thank you for the opportunity to share ... Regards ...
                  1. kalibr
                    14 March 2018 10: 25
                    +1
                    The rifles are painfully well shown in the photo. Sin does not take advantage of this. And the fact that these people are snipers is not visible. A sniper photo should be like this: a man in a dressing gown is lying in the grass and is looking at you through an optical sight. This stereotype. Effective propaganda is built on STEREOTYPES!
                    Lebon is a good book, but there is one theory. In my lot of practice, it is no less interesting. Think ...
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 14 March 2018 10: 44
                      +3
                      I do not agree with you, it’s you, perhaps, you didn’t switch from a series of articles about weapons. Or drag arguments for the ears, and they squeak and break out. wink You saw rifles, but I saw fighters ... Because, for example, there are a lot of these rifles on the photos and posters of the outbreak of war, and there was nothing surprising for readers of that time.

                      Regarding stereotypes - you, the professionals, know better .... wink
                      1. kalibr
                        14 March 2018 21: 01
                        0
                        You saw rifles, but I saw fighters ... That's right too. So the photo is a topic for a large and interesting article about both. Don't you find? Could be ???. Instead, a short text.
                        As a result, I regret only that nobody except me completely read the whole TRUTH, didn’t look at the pictures and didn’t think about the texts, didn’t compare them over the years ... Therefore, we have a conversation that the blind person has with the deaf or vice versa.
  8. kalibr
    14 March 2018 08: 19
    +3
    Quote: parusnik
    PMV the Russian press behaved differently, criticized the government, articles were published denigrating the imperial family, articles like "Stupidity or treason" ... What it led to ... the February revolution .. grains were thrown ..

    Moreover, STATE NEWSPAPERS wrote about this, and not even the Bolshevik TRUTH, that is surprising. That is, people sawed the branch on which they themselves were sitting. And then wept in Paris ...
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 14 March 2018 08: 57
    +6
    Once, as a child, I saw the film of that time, "Antosha Rybkin" (1942 g, starring Boris Chirkov). It is hard to imagine a more stupid comedy on a military theme. Nevertheless, the picture probably found its audience. Although I would not be surprised if it was an ordinary vaudeville on a military theme, which should not be taken more seriously than the genre requires. So, newspaper publications should also be treated in accordance with this propaganda genre. And Shpakovsky, it seems, believes that then it was worth writing about the atrocities of the Nazis during the Non-Aggression Pact (1939-1941). It would be better if the author continued his Cyprus sketches, this is better for him than advising journalists on current material of more than 70 years ago.
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  11. tasha
    tasha 14 March 2018 09: 05
    +1
    Here is another piece from an article about ram from the newspaper Pravda from 27.06.1941 of the year.
    Short queue - and the machine guns fell silent :. Something stuck in the mechanisms.

    One reader, reading such a phrase with gloating, will say: "Yeah, their planes are unreliable," and another will see a feat in an emergency situation .. So, so ... Besides the poisoned pen of a journalist, there is a poisoned brain of the reader ...
  12. kalibr
    14 March 2018 09: 05
    0
    Quote: bober1982
    Stalin was able to correctly assess the situation, discard all ideological husk and correctly build campaign work, including in print.


    Well, it’s you in vain so ... Just in 1953, the people finally ceased to trust our press. There is evidence ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 14 March 2018 09: 37
      +1
      After all, you wrote correctly about Suvorov, Susanin and others, about whom you immediately remembered, this is literate agitation, and then of course the newspapers became boring, unless Soviet sport and weekly Soccer hockeythat were in great short supply.
  13. Olgovich
    Olgovich 14 March 2018 09: 08
    +2
    Our domestic journalists, due to some truly fatal circumstances, did not so much strengthen their country and state (being in his service!) with their writings, but rather ... ruin them. Well, before the revolution they had, let’s say, for this reason. But why did this tradition continue in the era of the USSR?

    I do not agree: before the revolution, there were also collapsing and creating journalists, i.e. ALL range of opinions.
    Was freedom of speechreflecting the opinion of all walks of life.
    After the revolution, only one .... "truth" - "" Truth. " request
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 14 March 2018 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich

      I do not agree: before the revolution, there were also collapsing and creating journalists, i.e. ALL range of opinions.
      Was freedom of speechreflecting the opinion of all walks of life.
      After the revolution, only one .... "truth" - "" Truth. " request


      That is, following your logic, you only do what you're lying.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 March 2018 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: shuravi
        That is, following your logic, you only do what lying.

        Where is it?! belay fool lol
  14. kalibr
    14 March 2018 09: 24
    +3
    Quote: tasha
    there is a poisoned brain of the reader ...

    It is truth too. But he was not born with such a brain. And only information could poison him!
    1. XII Legion
      XII Legion 14 March 2018 09: 31
      +17
      Agree
      And informants.
      Therefore, it is extremely important to inform the public.
      Everything must be verified and balanced.
    2. tasha
      tasha 14 March 2018 09: 49
      +1
      Of course I agree.
      "So you read the necessary books in your childhood!"

      Still need to develop critical thinking.
  15. XII Legion
    XII Legion 14 March 2018 09: 30
    +17
    It is always interesting to read competent and equipped with a reference apparatus material
    Thank you!
  16. BAI
    BAI 14 March 2018 09: 34
    +2
    1.
    For those who see the material of this series for the first time, we’ll explain

    For those who see this series for the first time, we recall that it was published in the Western Journal. What the author proudly announced at the time and presented a photograph of this magazine. What articles about the USSR (Russia) are printed in the West at the height of anti-Russian hysteria, the reader can submit himself.
    2.
    that our machine-gunner, being in the tank, was wounded by a fragment of a shell, but the battle continued (!) [13]. Meanwhile, this should not have been written, if only because the tanks, in principle, should not break through shell fragments.

    Why shouldn't tanks break through shell fragments? Lungs (T-26, BT-7) could and were required to break through. Fragments, by the way, are also different. Fragments of the high-explosive fragmentation shell ISU-152 hit the T-3 and even the T-4 in a successful scenario in 1943.
    3. And in general, Soviet propaganda did not have enough experience. Soviet power existed for only 24 years; in opposing the enemy during the war, there was no experience at all.
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      Why shouldn't tanks break through shell fragments?

      Because they are Soviet!
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 March 2018 10: 37
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        Because they are Soviet!

        Stupidity. But nothing that already in the rear hospitals lay THOUSAND people injured by SHARDS in our tanks. And they read and discussed the same newspapers. A lie in the details, as in this article, immediately repels
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 14 March 2018 11: 14
        +4
        Because they are Soviet!

        First, you reproach propaganda for a lie, and then urge you to breach with tripled strength, only just recourse
        Probably the same settings were given to journalists of those times. and they faithfully performed them. And after that, jokes were born:
        - Comrade commander, the cartridges are over!
        “You are a communist!”
        And he machineed the machine gun again ........
    2. svp67
      svp67 14 March 2018 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      Why shouldn't tanks break through shell fragments?

      But do not answer what happened to the armor-piercing shell after breaking through the armor?
      1. BAI
        BAI 14 March 2018 16: 49
        0
        The blank could:
        a) fly right through (there is a known case when it passed between the legs of the tankman and then to the departure without damaging the crew (this is of course for the T-26 and BT-7, which are also affected by fragments);
        b) after breaking through the armor, the shell ricochets in a closed volume, destroying all living things (T-34, KV-1).
        What’s the question?
        1. svp67
          svp67 14 March 2018 19: 50
          +2
          Quote: BAI
          The blank could:

          The blank was equipped with a certain amount of explosive. Do not confuse armor-piercing-submunition shells of the middle of the war with armor-piercing shells of the beginning of the war. When breaking through the armor, the bottom fuse was triggered and the "disc" flew into fragments
          1. BAI
            BAI 14 March 2018 21: 42
            0
            Nevertheless, it was
            A solid armor-piercing projectile (blank) is a projectile that does not have explosives inside. After breaking through the armor, the damaging effect is provided by shell fragments heated to high temperature, and armor fragments. It is characterized by poor bare arm exposure.

            But it is very cheap and easily produced in large quantities.
  17. kalibr
    14 March 2018 09: 43
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    For those who see this series for the first time, we recall that it was published in the Western Journal.

    Something with my memory became, all that was not with me I remember ... Too lazy to check - no need to write! An article published here and in the international journal Social Science was called the Counter-Revolution of Mediocrity. So do not mislead people and sign their own forgetfulness. And do not mysticism ... "what content" ... good content there materials interesting and useful. And anyone can find and read this magazine today. The materials in it are in Russian. So do not scare people and be scared. You still write about a suitcase with bucks from the State Department received for this material, it will become very good for you.
    1. BAI
      BAI 14 March 2018 16: 52
      +2
      If the materials there were the same as in the first part of The Poisoned Feather, then these were biased materials for a given point of view, which had nothing to do with objective coverage of the history of the Soviet press. I will not say that the materials are false - but one-sided and tendentious. With extremely clear content.
      1. kalibr
        14 March 2018 20: 42
        0
        And you are probably also a journalist with extensive experience and experience, or is there more than one scientific article in peer-reviewed publications behind you? Share where you could get acquainted with your non-biased materials.
        And how sweet: "If there were materials the same as in the first part of Poisoned Feather." And you do not guess - you open a profile or a search engine IN, you find, watch, read ... Then you need to write. It’s decent to behave, gypsies guess.
        And of course you already forgot about your inventions about the article and the magazine ... Sweet sclerosis is a good disease, very good.
        1. BAI
          BAI 14 March 2018 21: 50
          +1
          32 scientific papers, though with SS stamp. Do you know the Ministry of Defense.
          And you do not guess

          But I don’t guess and remember everything perfectly. Since I read articles on VO, but did not read what's in the magazine, that's why I say "If." You carefully read the text you are responding to, it helps in life.
          1. kalibr
            15 March 2018 21: 18
            0
            Glad for you, quite sincerely. But I understand that this seems to be like a scientific and technical direction of the article, right? That is, we and you have different goal-setting, and methods, and everything else. Imagine that I, with my humanitarian education, crawled into these your materials and ... sorted it out. The general level will allow me to understand something (or not at all?), But it will be ridiculous if I get into them with criticism. So it’s also funny for me when people from the world of technology get into ... the humanities that they have "passed" for a long time. And it happens that they understand. But here in VO there are only ... two. You tell the rest - shorn, you - shaved. By the way, I just passed a competition for the new five years at my university and I also had 36 articles in the RSCI and HAC systems (over 5 years), 4 study guides to the center. ed. and 4 monographs, one in England and one received a grant from the Russian Foundation for Humanities. So to a certain extent, we ... are not so far apart. But in different areas, right? Although the SS, then, of course, everyone respects and says in advance - shhhh!
  18. kalibr
    14 March 2018 09: 46
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    in the midst of anti-Russian hysteria

    And we are always in full swing with them! When was "not in the midst"? You remember? As the country's economic situation worsens, so is the “height”. And everyone is happy ... "You hold on ..." We are "in full swing!"
    1. BAI
      BAI 14 March 2018 16: 55
      +5
      This is not an argument for throwing logs into the fire of anti-Soviet and anti-Russian propaganda. Simply put - material interest, a fee and everyone will understand. Why should these opuses be made scientific?
      1. kalibr
        14 March 2018 20: 38
        0
        But don’t you know that VO journalists are paid? And for the books too ... And the opus is only in your devoted opinion, I don’t know with whom, however, I have the honor .... Hold on to the “holy USSR”? Hang on who's stopping. It is more interesting to me to hold on to the society that is being built now. Not quickly, with difficulty, through "soviet remnants", but it is being built. And what is this “sacred cow” that cannot be touched? It was, and now it is not there. And you have to dig into his remains and look for reasons why it all fell apart so that it does not happen again, and all sorts of wretched people could continue to freely love what they want. And if you do not understand all this, these are your problems. You still put the picture with the shell here. It will be immediately obvious to everyone that the fragments in the tank took place. And if so, then everything was perfect with the Soviet press during the Second World War!
        1. BAI
          BAI 14 March 2018 21: 54
          +1
          Simply put - material interest, a fee and everyone will understand.

          Once again, I urge you to carefully read the text and respond to it, and not your speculation.
          I wrote about an article in a magazine, or do you want to say what they printed there for free, without royalties (maybe a grant)?
          1. kalibr
            15 March 2018 21: 27
            0
            And you are only printed under the stamp of the SS? I will surprise you that today in scientific journals both our and foreign FOLLOWERS DO NOT PAY! On the contrary, YOU PAY for publication. In SCOPUS publications - $ 1000, in other systems - from 1200 to 6-8 thousand rubles or more for an article of 5-10 pages. Usually 2-3. In the Russian Federation there are free scientific journals, but there is a turn for years. The magazine in question is also paid. If you are interested, I will forward you a lot of invitations that I receive from the USA, Czech Republic, Poland, China ... to be printed there. But all the articles are paid. Grants for articles are not given. See for yourself how to see their invitations. Probably it's time for me to write an article about grants with links to their respective web pages. And then our people, even seemingly quite literate, have some kind of perverted concept of who gives them in the Russian Federation, for what and how. We probably do not have a more unknown topic.
  19. shuravi
    shuravi 14 March 2018 09: 56
    +4
    Something I looked through the article and actually did not understand, but where are the paradoxes?
    It seems that they are in the head of the author and he heroically fights with them.
    Here's an example:
    Soviet pilots in the British aircraft. It was not necessary to write such articles. Any comparative information in the context of political and economic confrontation is harmful!


    And I'm sorry that actually harmful in that article. Comparative information where are Soviet aircraft in a disadvantageous light? So she is gone. Moreover, there is no mention of such an important advantage at that time as the availability of radio communications.
  20. kalibr
    14 March 2018 10: 14
    0
    Quote: shuravi
    Comparative information where are Soviet aircraft in a disadvantageous light?

    Oh, how hard it is to clarify platitudes. Yes, not our aircraft in an unfavorable light ... SHOULD NOT BE COMPARATIVE INFORMATION AT ALL. So that it does not accumulate, like mass.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 14 March 2018 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: shuravi
      Comparative information where are Soviet aircraft in a disadvantageous light?

      Oh, how hard it is to clarify platitudes. Yes, not our aircraft in an unfavorable light ... SHOULD NOT BE COMPARATIVE INFORMATION AT ALL. So that it does not accumulate, like mass.



      So where is the comparison? Do not quote?
      1. kalibr
        14 March 2018 20: 27
        0
        Not in the article are you meticulous ... IN MATERIALS IN GENERAL!
    2. BAI
      BAI 14 March 2018 17: 00
      +2
      How should this not be comparative information? But how to emphasize the superiority of Soviet aircraft, taking into account the statement of Stalin: "Hurricanes are rubbish. Our pilots do not like this car?"
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 14 March 2018 19: 24
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        Hurricanes are crap.

        This wasn’t such rubbish, you still exaggerate the poor performance of the aircraft, one of our best aces (if not the best) - Safonov, spoke well about the car.
        1. BAI
          BAI 14 March 2018 21: 57
          0
          But you still can’t get away from comparative information? After all, we are talking about it.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 15 March 2018 21: 47
          +1
          Boris Feoktistovich knew what he was talking about.
  21. svp67
    svp67 14 March 2018 10: 14
    +7
    The English “Matilda”, and even on the first page of the November issue of Pravda and of such a size ... It was indicative at that time, and Soviet citizens who were skilled in reading between the lines understood very well why this was so
    And so that no one doubts that these are Soviet, but British tanks under the photo the corresponding signature ...:"The Western Front. British tanks arrived in the unit of Senior Lieutenant P.P. Suvorov. In the picture: English tanks reached the firing line"
    And this is from the region that in the fight against fascist Germany, the USSR is not alone and "the whole world is with us." Doesn’t resemble anything? “These”, after all, also struggling with the Soviet past, do not hesitate to take the best from it.
    And I have a question, and who has the poisoned pen here? The author, for some reason, is engaged in juggling facts under his "theory". Example:
    But quite recently, the government’s statements were published in the same newspapers that “we can absolutely calmly watch how this fascism is used for the hopeless cause of saving the capitalist system” and that “our own proletarian work is being done through fascism itself”, and that "fascism helps the growth of the class consciousness of the working class"
    Well, really, what is cynicism. Tips "changed shoes right in the air." Same? But the author refers to the materials from where the quote is taken and look
    4. XII Moscow provincial party conference. Speech tov. Kamenev / / True. 16 May 1924. No.103. C.4
    But nothing that on May 16, 1924 and June 22, 1941 is not RECENTLY. And that Kamenev did not survive the "great purge."
    This technique is - "POISONED FEATHER"
    Meanwhile, this should not have been written, if only because the tanks, in principle, should not break through shell fragments.
    Author, what are you talking about? Before you write this, at least read the material. An armor-piercing projectile, upon breaking through an armored obstacle, exploded inside the tank, for which it was equipped with a certain amount of explosive and when it burst, it formed like confetti. Here is a sample of the 37 mm German armor-piercing tracer of the time. I remind you that in 1941 the 37-mm BASIC anti-tank caliber of the Wehrmacht
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 19: 23
      +1
      How nice to deal with such people ... I can only say that. An article about journalism, and here are pictures of shells. Buzz!
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 March 2018 19: 55
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        An article about journalism, and here are pictures of shells. Buzz!

        This, about the fact that the journalist, before going to write something, then very carefully understands the issue that he would then have “water not falling by a jack” or in this case, the tankers could not get shrapnel wounds, just because they were sitting inside Soviet tanks.
        Before and during that war, a lot of films were made about the war, in which our tanks were knocked out and burned, and courageous Soviet tankers were injured, burns and shell shock
        1. BAI
          BAI 14 March 2018 22: 01
          0
          Although I entered into a debate with you about shells above, as an honest and decent person, I certainly agree with you.
  22. kalibr
    14 March 2018 10: 31
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    It was necessary with all my might (even by distorting some facts) to raise the people to fight.

    Yes of course. But still think a little about the consequences of another distortion. However, you yourself will see them when you read all the next issues of this material.
  23. Moore
    Moore 14 March 2018 11: 40
    +2
    Here, under this photo, something completely different should have been written, namely, that our industry produces excellent automatic rifles that the Germans do not have. Should name their brand, creator

    The clearest example of how they try to measure the past with modern arshin.
    Well then, it was not necessary for people to interpret something about SVT, for them it was almost the same routine as for us the AK-74. And why in the photograph with fellow-miners a signature about Tokarev’s visit to Stalin ???
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 19: 09
      0
      At that time, the SVT, like the KV and T-26 and Yak-1, were not commonplace! In the newspapers, the brands of Soviet weapons were not reported until 1942. In Pravda, a description was given of the three-ruler and the machine gun DP and all. "Hawks", "swift tanks" - that's all the "brand" of our equipment until the age of 42.
  24. Luga
    Luga 14 March 2018 12: 29
    +2
    State propaganda at all times and in all states was carried out according to one single principle: the grander the lie, the easier it is to believe in it. Total propaganda is not intended for the intelligentsia, but for the illiterate layman, busy with other things in everyday life and not having time to think, analyze and compare what is written with what is written or with what he sees with his own eyes. Even if in a particular village the reality is at variance with the description, then, according to the average person, in a neighboring village (district, region), everything is probably as it is written. This is the meaning of propaganda - simple, emotional theses, plus the "big lie", these theses are unifying.
    In a thinking person, such propaganda causes a state of cognitive dissonance of varying severity, while in a totalitarian state everyone is forced to look for a way out of this state purely individually, but for most people, what is now that even the most outright lie does not cause any discomfort, especially if it corresponds to their (people) inner desires and aspirations.
    Of course, from the point of view of modern science (and propaganda, advertising, etc. have long become a science), the opuses of Soviet journalists during the outbreak of the war may seem naive, even stupid and harmful. But, on the other hand, will not an attempt to apply modern methods of informational influence (undoubtedly more effective) on people of that time an attempt to play Chopin's nocturne in front of the Black Cat gang?
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 19: 07
      +2
      Comparing the past with the present is always very helpful, isn't it? Most have already forgotten what the first chapters were about, this is understandable ... and they don’t know what the next ones will be about, and then they will forget it. After 90 days. For me personally, knowing this is wonderful!
      1. Luga
        Luga 14 March 2018 20: 51
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        Comparing the past with the present is always very helpful, isn't it?

        Absolutely. For this reason, in my opinion, there is such a science as history - to compare, look for similarities and differences, look for the sources of modern events, draw historical experience, rethink it creatively, put the acquired knowledge into practice in the present.
        In the framework of this series of articles, it would be interesting to get your opinion on the topic "The role of direct lies in state propaganda and its maximum and minimum percentage with the truth."
        Oh, we would frolic in the comments here!
        smile
        1. kalibr
          15 March 2018 06: 31
          +1
          There is a wonderful book by Arthur Ponsoynby "Propaganda during the war." There it is ...
  25. Curious
    Curious 14 March 2018 13: 39
    +7
    "The clearest example of how the past is being tried to measure with modern arshin."

    “Of course, from the point of view of modern science (and propaganda, advertising, etc. have long since become just science), the opuses of Soviet journalists during the outbreak of the war may seem naive, even stupid and harmful. But, on the other hand, will there be an attempt to apply modern methods of informational influence (undoubtedly more effective) on people of that time by an attempt to play Chopin's nocturne in front of the Black Cat gang?
    Here, as for me, the comments revealing the conceptual error of the author of the article are anachronism.
    This disease is very common, but the author is still aggravated by his real occupation - PR-technology.
    In addition, the author will forgive me for my unprofessional criticism, a professional historian should always remember the theoretical foundation in the form of the philosophy of history, social history, sociology with its sociological theories, etc., laid down by the classics. Specifically, in modern language, the mass subject of the historical process — the “mass man” of the time in question — is completely missed.
    That is, it is completely ignored that, as Brodale said, under the "dust of history" lie completely different from the current long waves of evolution of society. And without taking them into account, it is a mistake to make recommendations from the standpoint of the modern worldview. And I'm completely not sure that the information submitted taking into account the criticism of the author somewhere in 1941 would be accepted with understanding and approval and would achieve the expected effect.
    In my opinion, if this factor is not taken into account in a future book, this will seriously affect its quality level.
    1. BAI
      BAI 14 March 2018 17: 07
      +3
      Yes, yesterday there was a broadcast about the execution of Beatrice Chenchi. And experts (professional historians, unlike the author of the article) quite rightly said that one should not approach sixteenth-century justice with the standards of the twenty-first. What seems wild to the author now was completely natural in 1941.
  26. Dashing
    Dashing 14 March 2018 14: 53
    +1
    It should be noted that modern "propagandists" are much more unscrupulous, more loud and shameless than the most odious scribes of that time. Just the directed harassment of presidential candidate Grudinin is worth what.
    1. Curious
      Curious 14 March 2018 15: 14
      +6
      And then Grudinin came forward as a candidate on his own, like everything is there, I’ll go and save the country. For this he was invited to be a presidential candidate to act as a punching bag. The one that he made a conscious choice.
      1. Dashing
        Dashing 14 March 2018 17: 09
        0
        As well as you, Curious, are carrying nonsense from the American far.
        1. your1970
          your1970 14 March 2018 17: 52
          +3
          Quote: DARK
          It should be noted that modern "propagandists" are much more unscrupulous, more loud and shameless than the most odious scribes of that time. Just the directed harassment of presidential candidate Grudinin is worth what.
          - Yesterday's statement on nationalization is quite enough - that when he will win from Sovkhoz CJSC to become just a state farm. This directly contradicts his program - where he sings about nationalization only big business / monopolies- which directly contradicts the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but this is a trifle, just a split consciousness, it happens, spring ....

          But now to do the same thing now - to return the shares to the people who were the former owners - ohh, right now, they will smash ...

          after that he - for me as a candidate - did not even die - died ..
          a dummy with a smell of foreign accounts ...
          1. Dashing
            Dashing 14 March 2018 18: 52
            0
            sv1970, you are completely off topic and your text only emphasizes the good old thesis: "I heard a ringing, but don’t know where it is." Unfortunately, there is nothing more to add and there is nothing to discuss. You are surprisingly gullible for the colonel, unless, of course, you are a member of EP.
            1. your1970
              your1970 14 March 2018 19: 13
              +5
              Dashing
              1) I watched his speech (in front of the people, not at debate / studio) - where he said it literally, without any pulling out of context.
              2) the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is published and quite accessible, the program of Grudinin is also available. So, in his speech, he contradicts both programs - he who can’t even see
              3) Such as Grudinin destroyed all agriculture in our country in the 90s. Head / chief engineer / other close associates - first OAO, then bought up shares - then ZAO, then he is the only owner + 3-4 especially nimble farmers ... the scheme worked out -we've looked. That’s why VILLAGE will not vote for him - will vote for him city who doesn’t know about the village: but what about - they pay on time, they don’t ride on a yacht, they’re building something for hard workers
              4) I didn’t really discuss with you, I expressed my opinion about him as a candidate ...

              Z. You can say nothing but "not in the subject"? Or are there no words?
              1. Dashing
                Dashing 14 March 2018 19: 31
                0
                my1970, I, in my opinion, expressed my opinion quite clearly above.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 14 March 2018 19: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: DARK
                  my1970, I, in my opinion, expressed my opinion quite clearly above.
                  - I understand, only you are in the subject - but you cannot say in words
                  1. Dashing
                    Dashing 14 March 2018 19: 53
                    0
                    Understand how you can, my persistent colleague. Putin would be your energy.
        2. Curious
          Curious 14 March 2018 17: 52
          +6
          And how is my nonsense different from yours?
          1. Dashing
            Dashing 14 March 2018 18: 25
            0
            Oh, you change the flag, Curious. Directly according to Freud, a generous Ukrainian is wrapped in American ensign - you want to sell to the Americans, and they don’t take it. And nonsense, it is nonsense. I didn’t write about Grudinin, but about modern NLP methods in the media, which were absent in 1941. That's all. Now read your comment on my text and draw your own conclusions.
            1. Curious
              Curious 14 March 2018 19: 29
              +4
              A vpn service is wrapped in the American flag. He chooses the flags himself.
              As for Grudinin, so you started to hunt about him. Only you cannot answer clearly my question. Spray saliva in all directions, no more.
              Once argued you can’t answer, tell me directly. The discussion will close.
              1. Dashing
                Dashing 14 March 2018 19: 58
                0
                "It should be noted that modern" propagandists "are much more unscrupulous, more loud and shameless than the most odious scribes of that time. Directed persecution of the presidential candidate Grudinin alone is worth what."
                And then Grudinin came forward as a candidate on his own, like everything is there, I’ll go and save the country. For this he was invited to be a presidential candidate to act as a punching bag. That he made a conscious choice. "
                What question of this text should I answer, Curious?
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                      1. Curious
                        Curious 14 March 2018 21: 49
                        +3
                        It hardly makes sense to blame the man. Just Schopenhauer, as in most cases, was right.
      2. Luga
        Luga 14 March 2018 17: 52
        +7
        Quote: Curious
        And then Grudinin nominated himself by the candidates

        I want you to engage in polemics with sternists ... No, of course, there are adequate characters among them, but ... I would not have hoped for such luck.
        I’ll tell you a secret (only to anyone!) In this election ALL candidates are pears for whipping, except for one.
        1. Dashing
          Dashing 14 March 2018 18: 45
          0
          Mr. Luga, do not judge, but you will not be judged. And don't gag Curious over engaging in polemics with sternum. You are not smarter than others to cherish patronizingly hope for the presence of "adequate characters among them." Paul Chelyabinsk may doubt your adequacy in this matter. Of course, the thieves' authorities tried to put a handful of political clowns on display for the venerable public, therefore, in fact, Grudinin left the debate. But, if everything is the same in the arena, this does not mean that you can cheat the elections, they say, the king will win anyway. Go to the polls, do what you must, and then be what happens.
          1. Luga
            Luga 14 March 2018 20: 38
            +5
            Quote: DARK
            Mr. Luga, do not judge, but you will not be judged.

            Recently, among the participants in any discussion (not only on the network), a supporter of Grudinin will surely appear and begin agitation - meaningless and merciless. Even if I shared the political platform on which the aforementioned Grudinin stands, and his political program, unequivocally, with those people who are campaigning for him, I am not on the way. I took you at first for one of these agitators. I apologize if I was wrong.
            1. Dashing
              Dashing 14 March 2018 20: 54
              +1
              Thank you, I was just trying to express my opinion.
  27. Molot1979
    Molot1979 14 March 2018 15: 41
    +5
    I don’t know how it was with the authors of 1941, but the author of the article flashed his own “literacy” at least twice.
    Firstly, a tanker can still be injured by fragments inside the vehicle. Moreover, the fragments do not even need to break through the armor. the armor can crack from the inside from a projectile strike, injure or even kill the crew and damage the equipment of the machine.
    Secondly, the nit-picking is incomprehensible that they wrote about the huge losses of the Germans and about the successes of their troops. Here, first of all, it is necessary to realize that Penza Pravda hardly had reliable data from the front. At that moment, even the General Staff often had no idea what was happening near the western border. Further, what should newspapers write? Throw out the whole terrible truth about the 1200 destroyed our planes and a couple of thousand lost tanks? Honestly, that Lviv is lost on the 6th day, and Minsk on the 7th? Oh yes, such a truth would greatly help mobilize the country to repulse the enemy. Then, before the pile of newspapers, they would have reported real figures of casualties in order to boost morale, huh? Nonsense in a cube, that’s what it is. During the takole war, intelligence is a military secret not only for the enemy, but also for its citizens. And not in vain. So the meaning of the material is completely incomprehensible. The author regrets that the Soviet newspapers did not contribute to the quickest surrender of the USSR?
    Well, and to the point of the heap, about the fact that before the war, newspapers didn’t poop Germany. In fact, dear Comrade Shpakovsky, normal business relations were maintained until the war between the Union and Germany. And the press in the USSR was subordinate to the authorities, not to the catchy Rupert Murdochs. That is, I explain on the fingers, held to the masses the official point of view. Which Germany was not at all hostile. The fact that war was inevitable in the Soviet leadership was realized only at the beginning of June, or rather, after the well-known TASS note. The Germans did not answer, it became clear that almost 100% war could not be avoided. But it was literally a week and a half before the start of the database, so rebuilding propaganda immediately turned out to be unrealistic, so as to get ready to repel the blow.
    1. kalibr
      14 March 2018 19: 04
      +2
      You just made me happy with your judgment. The only question is, where do you get such a heap from? You read one thing, but give out your thoughts ... Oh, what a blessing, that in addition to readers-bakers, there are also specialist editors and RFBR reviewers ...
  28. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 14 March 2018 16: 23
    +2
    You can live without food for a day,

    Possible more, but sometimes

    In a war of one minute

    Do not live without jokes

    Jokes are the most unwise.

    Do not live like without shag,

    From bombing to another

    Without a good saying

    Or some sayings, -

    Without you, Vasily Terkin,

    Vasya Turkin is my hero

    And all else else

    Do not live for sure -

    Without which? Without the truth

    Truth right into the beating soul

    If it were thicker

    No matter how bitter.


    Here is a sample of the printed materials of that time (including those printed in newspapers), re-read, there is everything about Gorky 41 and about death and the crossing ".. who glory to whom dark water .." Alexander Trifonovich wrote honestly and on all fronts (and fleets), soldiers and sailors were waiting for the continuation of Vasily Terkin.
    Well, there’s always been a lack of zeal from svolyobrasbayuschih, and not only with us, believe me.
    The author raises the question about the deception of the reader with distorted or silent information. But absolutely ALL (!!!), the warring parties did this. The reason is simple, and then, and now, the percentage of people who can adequately perceive and, more importantly, adequately respond to the TRUTH, is extremely low, alas. Therefore, the truth (existing), the authorities said, when there was nowhere to go, and they did the right thing in my opinion.

    More about a tankman wounded by a fragment of fire, but where is it written that he received this wound while in the tank?
    Here’s a case for you. At the front, an officer, an armed soldier, was repairing a tank gun, the bolt was removed, the barrel was raised, the Germans (FV-190) attacked the woods where the tanks were hiding, the officer was in the tank, with his back to breech of the gun, one of his assistants closed the hatch. A 20-mm caliber projectile hit a barrel of a tank gun, went along it and mortally wounded an officer in the back. It seems that hundreds of tankers had shrapnel wounds received outside the tank or leaning out of the hatch, and continued to fight.
  29. shuravi
    shuravi 14 March 2018 16: 36
    0
    Of course, there were enough problems with filling with material, serving during the Great Patriotic War. And one of the reasons is insufficient training. The entire contingent of journalists is called up from the stock.
    Taking into account experience and mistakes, in the post-war period a specialized school for the training of military journalists was created.
    But after the collapse of the USSR, it remained in the occupied territory.
    And now, in fact, there are no military journalists.
  30. kalibr
    14 March 2018 18: 59
    +2
    Quote: DARK
    As well as you, Curious, are carrying nonsense from the American far.

    Oh, how funny it is to read such comments. A man lives in Ukraine ...
    1. Curious
      Curious 14 March 2018 19: 33
      +3
      This is my vpn cheated on him. He chooses free server machines there. Usually the Netherlands. But sometimes the United States. It acts on hamsters like a red rag on a bull.
    2. Dashing
      Dashing 14 March 2018 19: 35
      0
      Yes, kalibr, he just changed the flag from American to Ukrainian. Now he is a Ukrainian. Funny however
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 14 March 2018 21: 56
        +4
        really, kaaaaak funny! fellow A man specially installed a program to communicate with us, but he’s funny! negative Straight full house-full house with Petrosyan! wassat
  31. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 14 March 2018 20: 22
    +2
    Tell the truth
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 14 March 2018 21: 48
      +3
      I once posted this picture to Good Doctor Avva2012 drinks he loves Lozhkina! good By the way, it’s a pity that he is not on the branch. drinks
  32. kalibr
    14 March 2018 20: 25
    +2
    Quote: BAI
    Hurricanes are crap. Our pilots do not like this car? "

    Did he say that in an interview with Pravda?
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 14 March 2018 20: 35
      +1
      He said this very annoyingly, if only to believe the memories, in my opinion of Zhukov, but I could be wrong.
      It was a good car, with its own characteristics, of course, ours were no better, frankly.
      1. fighter angel
        fighter angel 15 March 2018 18: 28
        0
        Frankly, you are a "connoisseur" of aviation, if you say so ...
        Sarcasm, if not clear.
  33. kalibr
    14 March 2018 20: 49
    0
    Quote: glory1974
    nodding with tripled strength

    Great phrase! Did you come up with this yourself?
  34. kalibr
    14 March 2018 20: 51
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    And they read and discussed the same newspapers. A lie in the details, as in this article, immediately repels

    That's right, that’s why it was enough not to go into details to write that when a tanker was wounded, he continued pain ... overcoming ... and so on. Without going into technical details. Wounded, but fought! Is it really not clear that this is the main thing.
  35. kalibr
    14 March 2018 20: 52
    +2
    Quote: BAI
    professional historians, unlike the author of the article

    Hee hee hee hee!
  36. kalibr
    14 March 2018 20: 56
    +1
    Quote: motorized infantryman
    The author raises the question about the deception of the reader with distorted or silent information. But absolutely ALL (!!!), the warring parties did this. The reason is simple, and then, and now, the percentage of people who can adequately perceive and, more importantly, adequately respond to the TRUTH, is extremely low, alas. Therefore, the truth (existing), the authorities said, when there was nowhere to go, and they did the right thing in my opinion.

    Very well, you wrote it - I'm for it! But ... it could be done better and worse. It shows that a lot has been done ... unprofessionally. It doesn't matter why, in principle. Then in the future the result will be considered. However, he is just known to you. It's unprofessional here, there ... and then the wham - the 91st!
  37. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 14 March 2018 20: 59
    +1
    Not everyone can compose a poem, not everyone can command an army, not everyone can rule the state, and not everyone can write a quality propaganda article. Every business should be performed by professionals.
    1. kalibr
      15 March 2018 06: 24
      +1
      Д
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Not everyone can compose a poem, not everyone can command an army, not everyone can rule the state, and not everyone can write a quality propaganda article. Every business should be performed by professionals.

      You can add only one thing to your words. AND QUALITY CRITICISM COMES FROM THEIR SAME ... and not from turners-bakers.
  38. kalibr
    14 March 2018 21: 16
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    In addition, the author will forgive me for my unprofessional criticism, a professional historian should always remember the theoretical foundation in the form of the philosophy of history, social history, sociology with its sociological theories, etc., laid down by the classics. Specifically, in modern language, the mass subject of the historical process — the “mass man” of the time in question — is completely missed.

    Why all this when you can just read newspapers and analyze them. There is cucumber salad and there is okroshka ... So it is here. Who likes what. For someone, it will be in marvel and in favor.
  39. Mikado
    Mikado 14 March 2018 21: 53
    +3
    Curious,
    It hardly makes sense to blame the man. Just Schopenhauer, as in most cases, was right.

    Victor Nikolaevich, I Schopenhauer I do not know. But Shpakovsky definitely turned out to be right with 80 percent! hi nothing, wait for an answer. And then Anton will come, and everyone will say that there were four of us .... request
  40. BAI
    BAI 14 March 2018 22: 08
    +3
    In general, the author uses the old method of promoting goods: "Tell the truth, say a lot of truth, never tell the whole truth." We take the necessary facts, discard the unnecessary ones, and it’s ready: both the truth has been distorted and it is impossible to blame lies.
    1. kalibr
      15 March 2018 06: 22
      +2
      At the end of the article links to the source. Not every article in VO is equipped with them, right? And you have the opportunity to get interested and read it yourself. My fellow countrymen go to the archives to look for their pedigrees ... And what I offer you is much more interesting.
  41. tasha
    tasha 15 March 2018 04: 19
    +2
    kalibr,
    As a result, I regret only one thing that no one except me has read the whole TRUTH here, I have not considered the pictures, and have not thought about the texts

    You have undertaken the overwhelming work to read the whole TRUTH and consider the pictures. Only, apparently, the abyss began to look at you, my opinion ... wink You, as a professional journalist, most likely reading articles, think, “I would write like that, but here it is.” This is not a statement, this is a suspicion .. But what about an impartial scientific approach? wink

    They posted the article for reading, readers have a unique opportunity to express their opinion to the author, so get it, sign it. wink Scare us here with all sorts of reviewers and RFBRs different ... Heh ...
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 15 March 2018 22: 14
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      You, as a professional journalist, most likely reading articles, think, “I would write like that, but here it is.” This is not a statement, this is a suspicion .. But what about an impartial scientific approach?

      Dear comrade, what are you talking about? What kind of scientific approach can Shpakovsky have ?! He was engaged in chastity, when he was a historian from the CPSU, now he has become a PR manager of bourgeois petty bourgeois consumerism. He does not even know that all historical events must be considered, first of all, taking into account the historical era, because what is revered today was previously condemned, and vice versa. Secondly, all events must be considered systematically, in conjunction with the environment, because today we already know much more about those events that, for example, are criticized by Shpakovsky.
      I will not judge him for bias, because It is known that history is a class science, and renegades, they always, in order to curry favor with those in power, try to denigrate the events and facts of Soviet history as much as possible.
      Therefore, not the newspapers and newspaper articles criticized by Shpakovsky, it should be considered that they were written with a poisoned pen, but Shpakovsky’s articles. He writes this with a poisoned pen, poisoning the fragile consciousness of young and not young people.
  42. kalibr
    15 March 2018 06: 20
    +1
    Quote: tasha
    Scare us here with all sorts of reviewers and RFBRs different ... Heh ...
    Reply Quote Complaint

    This is your best comment!
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 March 2018 07: 03
      +1
      Well, why, do I have others that I reread lovingly. wink
      When some other VO reader praises, then there is complete enthusiasm. Although people are not marked with different ranks, it’s still nice ...
  43. kalibr
    15 March 2018 06: 32
    0
    Quote: svp67
    This, about the fact that a journalist, before going to write something, he carefully understands the issue,

    Great words. I am for!
  44. kalibr
    15 March 2018 06: 35
    +1
    Quote: tasha
    But what about an impartial scientific approach?

    Someone from the great said, “Nothing great was accomplished without passion!”
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 March 2018 07: 05
      +1
      Also, one of the great said:
      "The first task of history is to refrain from lying, the second is not to conceal the truth, the third is to give no reason to suspect oneself of addiction or prejudice to hostility."
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 15 March 2018 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: tasha
        Also, one of the great said:
        "The first task of history is to refrain from lying, the second is not to conceal the truth, the third is to give no reason to suspect oneself of addiction or prejudice to hostility."



        History is part of propaganda. And it must comply with the global trend.
        If everyone around embellishes their own stories in silk, it’s stupid to row your own in rags.
        1. tasha
          tasha 15 March 2018 14: 40
          0
          Of course you are right ...
          We are about something completely different. About the attitude of a modern researcher to articles of the times of the Great Patriotic War, about the scientific approach and "biased hostility". It seems to me that Vyacheslav Olegovich did not very well choose a topic for the article and examples for his textbook on PR technologies ...

          Offhand and maybe not exactly: Coverage of the Kurds in the Russian media over the past few years. What is not a subject for the analysis and search of paradoxes?
          1. kalibr
            15 March 2018 15: 14
            0
            Who needs any Kurds?
            1. tasha
              tasha 16 March 2018 04: 52
              0
              I'm at a loss. Kurds are an example. I had a headache, Kurds write and speak in the media differently, depending on relations between Russia and Turkey. What is not an example of paradoxes? Or scary? wink
              1. kalibr
                16 March 2018 07: 15
                0
                Quote: tasha
                Or scary?

                Scared? Haha Just uninteresting. We write about everything differently ...
  45. kalibr
    15 March 2018 21: 31
    0
    Quote: BAI
    What seems wild to the author now was completely natural in 1941.

    Natural, yes, but just as unprofessional.
  46. George Davydov
    George Davydov 2 May 2018 18: 57
    0
    Truly, if he said “A,” then say “B.”
    And if the idea of ​​criticizing the country's leadership came to the VICTORY DAY, then it would be necessary to do this not only professionally, but also ethically. On the one hand, the year 39 was preceded by the year 37, which was preceded by other years. And if in the years of the struggle against autocracy and the interim government, in the civil war and against foreign intervention, in the years of the beginning of the construction of socialism, the press showed its best side. But after apparently progressive, repressive purges and a change in ideology, exactly what was criticized came. Therefore, this criticism should be preceded by an explanation of events that required critical consideration. But this, oddly enough, is dangerous for the democratic media, because now too much is criticized, not only negative but also unpleasant, and not only for the people, but also for the authorities. And this also requires an analysis of the reasons that led to all this. On the other hand, if positive results are noted in the military-industrial complex, the army and the confrontation in the international arena in defense of Russian interests and the interests of the world, then it is also necessary to speak of what led to the deplorable state of the country, people, military-industrial complex and army, due to the destruction of the planned economy , looting public property by transferring it to private hands, etc. on the basis of economic reforms, it is necessary to note the positive ones, which became possible as a result of the return to the mud-covered liberal media of the Soviet regime m.
    Otherwise, a critical publication about the pre-war and military times, and even more so on the eve of the Great Victory Day over fascism, which led to the liberation of the world from the “brown plague”, which is the greatest event, can be perceived ambiguously. And this ambiguity can be used not so much for the benefit, but to the detriment of the country, the people, and the authorities. Therefore, I would very much like criticism to relate specifically to phenomena, which requires consideration of the reasons that gave rise to them, and not for the sake of a red word, when they say and write one, they mean the other, but get, as they say, tea. And if criticism is aimed at the benefit of the common cause, then it’s good, but if it is aimed at denigrating and humiliating some and exalt others who are unworthy, then this is not only bad, but also disgusting. Therefore, I would like to wish good success in a good cause.