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Putin about the USA: They brazenly deceived Russia by supporting a coup in Ukraine

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A documentary was released based on several interviews with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The interviewer was journalist Vladimir Solovyov. We are talking about the movie "World Order 2018", which addresses the most important topics of the modern geopolitical agenda.


One of the directions is Ukraine. The President commented on what happened in Ukraine in 2014 in the following words:
We were approached by American partners, they asked us to do everything, I now say almost verbatim a request that Yanukovych do not use the army, that the opposition would vacate the squares, administrative buildings and proceed to implement the agreements on normalizing the situation.


The President noted that Russia appealed to the then leadership of Ukraine with a request for the non-use of force and, in fact, to satisfy requests from the opposition. At the same time, Vladimir Putin notes that the United States simply deceived both Russia and the then leadership of Ukraine.

Putin:
Well, at least they would call, if only they would do something, at least they would say a word. At least they would say - you know, there is such a thing as a performer's excesses - that we didn’t want it, but such are the events, but we will do everything to return everything to the legal field. Not a word, on the contrary, the full support of those who committed a coup d'etat.


Putin about the USA: They brazenly deceived Russia by supporting a coup in Ukraine


According to the President of Russia, the United States is a country that actually committed a coup in Ukraine by the forces of Ukrainian radicals.

Putin:
They (USA) with this kind of support have driven themselves into a corner. Now they have to support the current Kiev authorities.


About American cheating:
So rudely and brazenly, perhaps, for the first time. So that they say: let's do it this way, but in fact, they did everything differently and didn’t even deign to say anything about this, there wasn’t anything like that.


Apparently, the Russian president forgets that this is far from the first time on the part of the United States - it suffices to recall NATO’s “oral promises” of non-expansion after the unification of Germany. Perhaps Vladimir Putin is referring to his time at the helm of the Russian Federation. But even at this time, the United States was deceiving enough to take at least statements about the non-directionality of the American missile defense system against Russia.
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  1. the most important
    the most important 7 March 2018 12: 14
    +32
    A great politician can only be one who sees everything ahead for several years ... whom it is impossible to deceive ... whom it is simply dangerous to deceive! And if they deceived ... alas, for me this is no longer an authority.
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 7 March 2018 12: 19
      +70
      Quote: the most important
      alas, for me this is no longer an authority.

      Well these are your problems. Though crying sobbing love
      Haste is needed when catching fleas.
      And Russia, as a result of the “doorway”, returned Crimea. So thanks to Putin !!!
      1. the most important
        the most important 7 March 2018 12: 22
        +18
        Quote: Vladimir16
        And Russia as a result returned Crimea.

        And could return all of Ukraine !!!
        Quote: Vladimir16
        So thanks to Putin !!!
        1. gurzuf
          gurzuf 7 March 2018 12: 27
          +41
          Well, do not lie! In Ukraine in the 14th year of the Russian Federation could not return back in any case. Perhaps it was necessary to return Novorossia along with Crimea, and perhaps most likely it was necessary to do so.
          1. Alexander.
            Alexander. 7 March 2018 12: 48
            +2
            no, at that time, it was impossible to return Novorossia, it would immediately cause an open conflict, and since it wasn’t from Russia, only humane help, now you can tease the junta and telling their owners not to stop provoking LDNR we will hold a referendum in the republic
            1. businessv
              businessv 7 March 2018 13: 31
              +4
              Quote: Alexander.
              it would immediately cause an open conflict,

              In any case, the conflict turned out to be open and it doesn’t matter, thanks to which! Is this not visible under sanctions? Well, at least they received at least 5 pro-Russian eastern regions with almost 50% of the population of Ukraine as allies.
              1. Dmitri Kopilenko
                Dmitri Kopilenko 7 March 2018 14: 31
                0
                By the way, about the sanctions: did anyone ask themselves the question why the US does not apply sanctions against China, or Japan, or Hong Kong, and hundreds of other states? Yes, simply because the foreign policy of numerous countries is not aggressive and does not cause concern and anxiety.
                1. Volodin
                  Volodin 7 March 2018 15: 04
                  +19
                  Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
                  By the way, regarding the sanctions: did anyone ask themselves the question, why did the US not apply sanctions against China, or Japan, or Hong Kong, and hundreds of other states?


                  And you asked yourself the question why the sanctions against the Russian Federation began to be introduced long before the well-known events? Either they are worried about the rights of homosexuals, now Magnitsky, then the departure / non-departure of Jews. Especially since the United States itself, well, of course, not a drop is not aggressive - it was not they who bombed Yugoslavia, leveled Iraq to the ground, left the ABM treaty, and nobody in their prisons dies ...
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 7 March 2018 18: 50
                  +2
                  Hong Kong does not have its own foreign policy, it is a special administrative region of the PRC.) And what are hundreds of states, if there are about two hundred of them in the world?
                3. Weyland
                  Weyland 7 March 2018 22: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
                  why don't the US apply sanctions against China, or Japan, or Hong Kong, and hundreds of other states?

                  Against China, it’s more expensive for itself, and Japan is the US obedient vassal. And as for the non-aggressive policy of China .... Vietnam, Taiwan, the Philippines and India will probably not agree with you! laughing
                4. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 8 March 2018 11: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
                  By the way, about the sanctions: did anyone ask themselves the question why the US does not apply sanctions against China, or Japan, or Hong Kong, and hundreds of other states? Yes, simply because the foreign policy of numerous countries is not aggressive and does not cause concern and anxiety.


                  It is unlikely that anyone would ask himself such a question ... stupid ... - because we really look at it. Sanctions are imposed ONLY on the basis of economic interests, finding any reason, up to a test tube with a powder of some garbage because of which the country was demolished. Well, with rare exceptions - as a public flogging just as an edification to others
                5. Fkjydjckfrgh
                  Fkjydjckfrgh 8 March 2018 12: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
                  By the way, about the sanctions: did anyone ask themselves the question why the US does not apply sanctions against China, or Japan, or Hong Kong, and hundreds of other states? Yes, simply because the foreign policy of numerous countries is not aggressive and does not cause concern and anxiety.

                  Japan once led a rather aggressive policy (economic in the 80s), argued for first place, the United States imposed sanctions, and Japan where it is now (there were no armed forces to defend its economic gains). So, about the fact that there were no sanctions - do not la la. Read anything other than bondage.
              2. 210ox
                210ox 7 March 2018 16: 41
                +1
                Yeah ... You probably also mean Odessa .... Something there when our guys were burned, no mug jerked ... Pro-Russian .....
                Quote: businessv
                Quote: Alexander.
                it would immediately cause an open conflict,

                In any case, the conflict turned out to be open and it doesn’t matter, thanks to which! Is this not visible under sanctions? Well, at least they received at least 5 pro-Russian eastern regions with almost 50% of the population of Ukraine as allies.
          2. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad 7 March 2018 13: 03
            +2
            Apparently, it would be so if it were not for the next illusion of an equal partnership with the "empire of lies."
          3. the most important
            the most important 7 March 2018 13: 08
            +4
            Quote: gurzuf
            Well, do not lie! In Ukraine in the 14th year of the Russian Federation could not return back in any case.

            For you, any problem is insoluble ... well, nothing, you grow up from junior lieutenants to senior officers, maybe you can learn how to solve problems.
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 7 March 2018 13: 31
              +14
              Quote: the most important
              For you, any problem is insoluble ... well, nothing, you grow up from junior lieutenants to senior officers, maybe you can learn how to solve problems.

              Sometimes it’s a pity that it’s direct that you can’t neglect posts here now.
              You, comrade senior officer, have directly solved many problems lying on the couch and posting all sorts of nonsense and stupidity here for each article.
              As for the Crimea and Ukraine as a whole ..
              Crimea was taken away, and this is a pearl, so that the conversation on this topic would be exhausted, whoever was there now, and that did not write and did not say.
              And Ukraine was given to the United States, for now, like a suitcase without a handle. Let them carry around with him, and when the time comes we will return to ourselves and fasten the handle.
              1. Dmitri Kopilenko
                Dmitri Kopilenko 7 March 2018 14: 48
                0
                Regarding the Crimea: I am a native of Crimea and have lived there most of my life. Crimea was called the "All-Union health resort", and it really was so. Today, the people of Crimea are called the "All-Russian military base." And it is true. Crimea was so stuffed with missile systems, aircraft and the navy - above the highest Crimean mountains. Who will go to rest at a military base? And before rest do people now? As they say, it’s not about fat - to be alive.
                1. Stone
                  Stone 7 March 2018 16: 14
                  +5
                  Do not write nonsense, Crimea has now received a huge impetus to development, including as a resort and health resort. If desired, there you can relax and not expensive. As an example to you: a family, 2 adults and 2-3 children, for comfortable housing per day 2000 rubles? Many, for example, from Moscow and St. Petersburg, and not only come for a month. And the fact that in Crimea there are a lot of different weapons and military personnel is a big plus for vacationers, they feel protected.
                2. contrarycon
                  contrarycon 7 March 2018 16: 17
                  +4
                  "... a native of Crimea ..."
                  “And how such a bastard is allowed into the circus,” Sharikov frowned, shaking his head. “Well, you never know who is allowed in,” Filipp Filippovich responded ambiguously ...
                3. Alexey Sommer
                  Alexey Sommer 7 March 2018 16: 18
                  +5
                  That's why there is nonsense to write here?
                  Only disgrace yourself.
                  You are the typical daughter of a "Soviet officer."
                  I could have believed if I hadn’t been there this summer.
                  I didn’t see the missiles there and the military’s dominance too.
                  ps
                  And what kind of people?) In yours?
                  I've never heard such an expression from anyone.
                4. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 7 March 2018 20: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
                  Regarding the Crimea: I am a native of Crimea and have lived there most of my life.

                  wassat Damn it ... deja vu. wassat Sometimes they come back ... wassat Yes, it’s not so stupid here yet. laughing
                5. Weyland
                  Weyland 7 March 2018 22: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
                  Today, the people of Crimea are called the "All-Russian military base." And it is true. Crimea was so stuffed with missile systems, aircraft and the navy - above the highest Crimean mountains.

                  And if we hadn’t taken it in 2014, today the people of the Crimea would have called the “All-Dos-dos military base”. The pin-dos of Crimea would be so stuffed with missile systems, aircraft and the navy - above the highest Crimean mountains.
                6. Morozyaka
                  Morozyaka 8 March 2018 00: 06
                  +2
                  That’s interesting - before, there weren’t so many people flying the Israeli flag in VO, and all of them gave the impression of smart enough and balanced people. After the start of the election race and, especially, after Putin’s speech, the number of users under the Israeli flag became noticeably larger and all of them, with “outwardly restrained” comments, scribble about the excessive aggressiveness of the Russian Federation and hint at possible serious consequences. So far, I have not noticed only a professor in this. Moreover, most of these people have recently registered. What is it for? It seems to me: this is a sign that everything is not going badly ...
                7. Alexander.
                  Alexander. 13 March 2018 13: 19
                  0
                  I’ll go to rest in the Crimea, I like it there, and what’s being said is stuffed with complexes, aviation and the navy, so this is a vital necessity, we also need to understand this
              2. the most important
                the most important 7 March 2018 16: 41
                +2
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                And Ukraine was given to the United States, for now, like a suitcase without a handle. Let them carry around with him, and when the time comes we will return to ourselves and fasten the handle.

                But will not it be greasyly scattered by Russian lands? Have you added at least one centimeter to Russia? Forty million Russian for you is a suitcase without a handle !!! This is your utter stupidity !!! The Japanese have eaten all the brains over the islands, the Chinese are at war with their neighbors for a scrap in the sea, and YOU and YOU like are scattered by millions of lives and millions of square kilometers of territory !!! is it from a big mind probably ?? but what I write is not given to you because of my development.
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 8 March 2018 12: 59
                  0
                  Quote: the most important
                  Forty million Russian for you is a suitcase without a handle !!!

                  You quoted the same quote to the end? what
                  Quote: the most important
                  when the time comes, we will return it to ourselves and fasten the handle.
                  ?
          4. Lock36
            Lock36 7 March 2018 13: 10
            +1
            Plus, we are all smart.
          5. zoolu350
            zoolu350 8 March 2018 05: 39
            +3
            It was safe to return all of Ukraine. In 2014 I spoke in Crimea with officers (former) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they confirmed to me that the Crimean scenario was real throughout Ukraine. The oligarchy of the Russian Federation had several trump cards in that situation:
            1. The coup in Kiev, that is, the lack of legitimacy of power, for the Bialowieza consensus is valid if the government is continuous with respect to the one that signed it, and the junta has violated this continuity, that is, the territory of Ukraine should have passed to the Russian Federation as the successor to the USSR. The owners of the Fed were great substitutes in this matter, but remembering how poorly the oligarchy of the Russian Federation reacted during their "reconnaissance in battle" in Georgia in 2008, they decided to take a chance and did not lose;
            2. The oligarchy of the Russian Federation had the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which could legitimize ANY actions in Ukraine.
        2. Dimontius
          Dimontius 7 March 2018 12: 38
          +1
          No, thanks, you can leave Dill for yourself. to the Russian people, it did not fall at all.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 51
            +3
            You can leave dill for yourself. to us, the Russian people, it did not fall at all
            Once they also talked about Chechnya.
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 7 March 2018 15: 45
              +7
              Quote: Gardamir
              Once they also talked about Chechnya

              You’ll go to fight for Ukraine or from the sofa you will wave a saber with Mikhan, the one that Kiev has been taking for a year. Or do you think the "brothers" will meet you with bread and salt? laughing
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 7 March 2018 16: 31
                +2
                will they meet you with bread and salt?
                For this, millions are grinding in TV so that people hate each other.
                1. vlad66
                  vlad66 7 March 2018 18: 12
                  +8
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  For this, millions are grinding in TV so that people hate each other.

                  Well, believe it, no, I watch only the House of Cinema channel and then the old Soviet films, but there were a lot of relatives in Ukraine, it was floating and no one was waiting for us there. And they will not meet with bread and salt, well, except that one of the Soviet generation is all. And to those who climbed out of the caches, and to the younger generation, we will be our worst enemies. And much, much more years. request
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 7 March 2018 18: 48
                    0
                    House Cinema Channel
                    so then I agree with you. Just first, remember the spring of 2014, after Crimea, Kharkov went to Russia, but the Kremlin refused, one can now guess why. Secondly, we meet people from the Donbass, they sadly tell how their relatives from those who can’t go to Russia are forced to go to Ukraine, because in the Donbass it really doesn’t. And thirdly, the first channel succeeded in developing hatred and contempt for those who are now called Ukrainians.
                    1. vlad66
                      vlad66 7 March 2018 19: 16
                      +6
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      And thirdly, the first channel succeeded in developing hatred and contempt for those who are now called Ukrainians.

                      Not only our first channel, but why don’t you take into account the same first Ukrainian channel, the situation is exactly the same there, but on the contrary, the same hatred and contempt is only for us, in Kharkov, for example, they also consider us occupiers and sincerely believe that they are fighting in the Donbas against the regular army of Russia and believe me, they don’t turn their backs on them, I don’t mean the Soviet generation, I write about those I wrote about above. No, I don’t need such brothers, they wanted to go to Europe, so let them feed the EU and the USA. hi
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 7 March 2018 21: 21
                        0
                        the same first Ukrainian channel
                        I do not watch Ukrainian television, but someone should be wiser. If they are fools, then we should not escalate the situation and offer a way out.
                    2. vlad66
                      vlad66 7 March 2018 21: 41
                      +7
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      If they are fools, then we should not escalate the situation and offer a way out.

                      What is the exit Leonid what To pay and repent? So how many times have they been offered a way out, how many times have they been given discounts on the same gas, by the way, trading with the "aggressor" continues despite the "aggression" of evil Russia, and it’s interesting Leonid that you tell me about the actions of your neighbor. Who constantly insults, spits and crap under the door and offends your guests and at the same time constantly requires money for what you did not do and live request I’ll hope you don’t hope that you can calm down and persuade him to calm down, no, Leonid, she’s dead, she’s died. You need to enclose such neighbors, you won’t re-educate them. hi
              2. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 8 March 2018 11: 09
                +1
                Quote: vlad66
                Quote: Gardamir
                Once they also talked about Chechnya

                You’ll go to fight for Ukraine or from the sofa you will wave a saber with Mikhan, the one that Kiev has been taking for a year. Or do you think the "brothers" will meet you with bread and salt? laughing


                those who proposed and are suggesting reaching Kiev forget that there is still western land beyond Kiev. And what, should we water her again with blood ?? For whose sake? They had been brainwashed since the age of 91, they told tales about the Holodomor that the Russians had arranged ... And almost everyone talks from the Crimea as much as relatives from Ukraine considered their enemies, only now they are beginning to come to a more or less sense. Yes, and no offense to the DNI and LC - in 2014 and later how many healthy men escaped from there ?? I remember showing an interview with a family who had gone somewhere to the Far East - a healthy young man was sitting and telling how they left their hut, fleeing everything ... Just a comparison with the Second World War - everyone was evacuated with men to Siberia ... no words. Because - to help the Donbass - yes, definitely, but go to Kiev ?? First, let that hatred and delirium in the heads of many “brothers” boil properly and precipitate, then we'll talk. Only this business is not one year and most likely not one decade. hi
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 8 March 2018 05: 41
            0
            The territory of Ukraine is a historical part of Russia. What else with this approach will not fall for you? Kurile Islands? Far East?
          3. Alexander.
            Alexander. 13 March 2018 13: 28
            0
            dill is not needed, but Ukraine is needed, but with normal people, loyal to the Russian Federation, and most importantly working people who believe in the idea of ​​a better world and help build it, there shouldn’t be Natsiks and liberals there, but the people themselves should solve this problem, moreover, perhaps LDNR could help them in solving this problem
        3. Bastion Eagle
          Bastion Eagle 7 March 2018 12: 51
          +7
          I could not. At that time, most of the population was for European integration. Yes, in the Donbass, before the outbreak of hostilities, there was a large share for Europeans. The decision was wise, far-sighted, the only true, albeit not indisputable. GDP is primarily responsible for Russia and its citizens, and with others as far as possible!
          1. BRDM2M
            BRDM2M 7 March 2018 22: 39
            +1
            What are you! You were a clown here that you write such nonsense? Here Russia was WAITED AND BELIEVED BEFORE THE LAST that Polite people will come, but apparently they will not wait
        4. kaschey
          kaschey 7 March 2018 12: 56
          +9
          Perhaps I will support you in this matter.
          And then, I believe, I do not believe, you deceived, you did not deceive, you are the president of the country, you are responsible for the future of your people, your country and not only, some kind of kindergarten.
          1. Crowe
            Crowe 7 March 2018 13: 06
            +5
            No, well, where without neighbors? We, the Russians, will deal with our guarantor ourselves. This is us - deceived. Support from abroad in questions to the president is not required, there are enough Americans. Do not be like them.
          2. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 7 March 2018 13: 41
            +2
            Well, they themselves wrote
            Quote: kaschey
            You are responsible for the future of your people, your country

            What are the claims against Putin?)
        5. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 7 March 2018 13: 44
          +4
          We were approached by American partners, they asked us to do everything, I now say almost verbatim a request that Yanukovych do not use the army, that the opposition would vacate the squares, administrative buildings and proceed to implement the agreements on normalizing the situation.
          The President noted that Russia appealed to the then leadership of Ukraine with a request for the non-use of force and in fact satisfaction of requests from the opposition. At the same time, Vladimir Putin notes that the United States simply deceived Russia, too ... ... - from an article

          Well, naive ?! Who in politics believes "partners"? In politics, they defend the interests of their own country to the fullest, to the final result, and do not shrug their hands in a helpless state when you, like a kid, have been wound around your finger.
          Leaders went to the people. Indeed, the proverb is right: "Every nation deserves the power that has it."
        6. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 7 March 2018 14: 24
          +3
          Quote: the most important
          Quote: Vladimir16
          And Russia as a result returned Crimea.
          And could return all of Ukraine !!!

          But is it necessary? Nobody drove her away, she left. Now let him wander around like a closet with yeast until he is exhausted. To persuade and prove that we are one people does not make any sense until the "lost" part of this people itself begins to cross itself in the door of Russia.
        7. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 7 March 2018 14: 35
          0
          Quote: the most important
          And could return all of Ukraine !!!

          But why?
          I have younger brothers and sister. We all live separately by our families. We run to parents who, when they want, well, on family holidays essno. Is it really necessary for each other's eyes to constantly be callous?
      2. shuravi
        shuravi 7 March 2018 12: 29
        +8
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Quote: the most important
        alas, for me this is no longer an authority.

        Well these are your problems. Though crying sobbing love
        Haste is needed when catching fleas.
        And Russia, as a result of the “doorway”, returned Crimea. So thanks to Putin !!!


        What a naivety. Crimea, this is a brilliant US operation. According to chess players, a fork. And the Russian Federation, in her opinion, chose the lesser of evils.
        And giving it out as a victory is possible only for idiots.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 7 March 2018 12: 41
          +27
          Quote: shuravi
          Crimea is a brilliant US operation.

          Well, then, in order to get more of such "brilliant operations" in the USA ... Are they not going to do anything in the "operational" plan with Alaska? I think it is quite possible to choose such a "plug" in this case ...
          1. Lock36
            Lock36 7 March 2018 13: 11
            +2
            Maybe not with Alaska, but I believe that the US has decisively embarked on the "path of victories."
          2. shuravi
            shuravi 7 March 2018 14: 58
            +2
            Quote: Volodin
            Quote: shuravi
            Crimea is a brilliant US operation.

            Well, then, in order to get more of such "brilliant operations" in the USA ... Are they not going to do anything in the "operational" plan with Alaska? I think it is quite possible to choose such a "plug" in this case ...



            Just imagine, there is no Alaska. But with Kazakhstan they can easily.
            Well, what scrap would you like to receive from him, in the amount of not more than 4,5% of the total territory, in exchange for leaving to the USA?
            How much domestic journalism has degraded.
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 7 March 2018 15: 49
              +6
              Quote: shuravi
              why domestic journalism has degraded.

              You degraded however, Ukraine left back in 1991 and I will repeat the question to you
              Quote: vlad66
              You’ll go to fight for Ukraine or from the sofa you will wave a saber with Mikhan, the one that Kiev has been taking for a year. Or do you think the "brothers" will meet you with bread and salt?

              hi
            2. Weyland
              Weyland 7 March 2018 22: 41
              0
              Quote: shuravi
              What scrap would you like to receive from it, in the amount of not more than 4,5% of the total territory, in exchange for leaving to the USA?

              Ore Altai. Because Nurik still strives to put Kazakhstan, if not under pin-dos, then under China!
            3. zoolu350
              zoolu350 8 March 2018 06: 02
              +1
              Yes, they do not understand this. They think according to the principle: “Well, okay, they bit off our hand, but we didn’t give them the little finger to eat. Since the Winter Olympics. In fact, complete failure and shame, but the media loyal to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation give out several private successes as a GREAT VICTORY.
        2. Dimontius
          Dimontius 7 March 2018 12: 42
          +3
          What a brilliant operation that you carry? What our missiles now cover most of Germany?
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 7 March 2018 15: 00
            +3
            Quote: Dimontius
            What a brilliant operation that you carry? What our missiles now cover most of Germany?


            And from Ukraine to Moscow, missiles are closer to fly. Did not know?
            1. Morozyaka
              Morozyaka 8 March 2018 00: 27
              +2
              And from the Baltic even closer. Do not smack nonsense. Crimea was torn off - and that’s good. If the State Department envisioned such a situation, they would have shot quite a few in the Crimea and everything would have been completely different. Even from my sofa, this is obvious. There is some likelihood of an exchange: deterring Yanukovych from harsh actions against the Maidan in exchange for Crimea, but this is from a conspiracy theory and probability tends to zero. I just can’t see this moment from the sofa
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 7 March 2018 12: 56
          +4
          Quote: shuravi
          What a naivety. Crimea, this is a brilliant US operation. And giving it out as a victory is possible only for idiots.


          If you are so smart here alone, and all the others who think that the return of Crimea is a victory are idiots, can you describe this “operation” of the star-striped strategists you adore in more detail? Or just to throw something and somehow please their owners?
          PS Something recently on the site a lot of Western singing divorced. Three more of the same liberoid pluses stuck.
          1. businessv
            businessv 7 March 2018 13: 45
            +2
            Quote: Piramidon
            If you are so smart here alone, and all the others who think that the return of Crimea is a victory are idiots, can you describe this “operation” of the star-striped strategists you adore in more detail?

            Shuravi just a little misjudged the situevina. The return of the Crimea is certainly not a victory, but a necessary measure to preserve naval bases and further control in the Black Sea. It’s not a secret to anyone that it was the basing of the striped in the Crimea that was the main goal of the entire mess arranged by them in Nezalezhnaya. The operation to transfer Crimea was, of course, carried out brilliantly. But the main goal of the "partners" sailed to Russia! Generally speaking, IMHO, stripy shiny operations are extremely small in percentage terms. Some oversights, nedodumy and underdevelopment.
          2. shuravi
            shuravi 7 March 2018 15: 05
            +2
            Quote: Piramidon


            If you're the only one so smart here, and everyone else who considers the return of Crimea a victory is idiots, then this "operation" is more detailed adored by you can you describe the star-striped strategists? Or just to throw something and somehow please their owners?
            PS Something recently on the site a lot of Western singing divorced. Three more of the same liberoid pluses stuck.


            No need to lie, boy. It is you and the like that adore "star-striped strategists."
            If you consider victory the fact that they returned only 4,5% of their own territory, and gave the rest to them. Or are you just a defeatist?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 7 March 2018 15: 54
              +2
              Quote: shuravi
              No need to lie, boy.

              "Boys" you can call your sex partners. And I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft so that you would turn to me in this way. My grandchildren more than you understand how to communicate with strangers.
              But you still jumped off the question of the "operation" of the Yankees. It turns out that they just ruined the air.
              1. shuravi
                shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 17
                +1
                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: shuravi
                No need to lie, boy.

                "Boys" you can call your sex partners. And I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft so that you would turn to me in this way. My grandchildren more than you understand how to communicate with strangers.
                But you still jumped off the question of the "operation" of the Yankees. It turns out that they just ruined the air.


                Boy. You can even call yourself Lord God. But in fact, you have nothing here except Nick Piramidon. For more spirit is not enough.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 7 March 2018 20: 25
                  0
                  Quote: shuravi
                  Boy.

                  Well, you have once again confirmed your gay sexual orientation. To your "boys" you can add the prefix "dear," Mr. Shuravi-gay.
                  1. shuravi
                    shuravi 8 March 2018 19: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Quote: shuravi
                    Boy.

                    Well, you have once again confirmed your gay sexual orientation. To your "boys" you can add the prefix "dear," Mr. Shuravi-gay.



                    Well, it may be so for you. And I am a man of the old formation, and I apply the word boy to males who have not reached maturity.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 7 March 2018 21: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: shuravi
                  You have nothing here about Nick Piramidon. For more spirit is not enough.

                  For that, everything is in plain sight. And nickname and avatar. Now all the Podpindian trolls are regging and gaining momentum here under very patriotic nicknames and avatars. Not a ride, pedishuravi.
                  1. shuravi
                    shuravi 8 March 2018 19: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Quote: shuravi
                    You have nothing here about Nick Piramidon. For more spirit is not enough.

                    For that, everything is in plain sight. And nickname and avatar. Now all the Podpindian trolls are regging and gaining momentum here under very patriotic nicknames and avatars. Not a ride, pedishuravi.


                    Maybe you are "pedi", your business.
                    But my profile contains more than enough personal data. So your trolling is past again, boy.
        4. Monos
          Monos 7 March 2018 13: 16
          +8
          Quote: shuravi
          Crimea is a brilliant US operation.

          Any arguments, evidence? Well, at least some kind of rationale for this ... mmm ... original statement. For the "idiots" must be answered. At least with arguments. Otherwise, you will look like just a catty haml. By the way, “intellectual”, there is no concept of “plug” in professional chess. smile This is yard slang.
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 7 March 2018 15: 06
            0
            Quote: Monos
            Quote: shuravi
            Crimea is a brilliant US operation.

            Any arguments, evidence? Well, at least some kind of rationale for this ... mmm ... original statement. For the "idiots" must be answered. At least with arguments. Otherwise, you will look like just a catty haml. By the way, “intellectual”, there is no concept of “plug” in professional chess. smile This is yard slang.



            Read above, everything is pecked there for the patriots of the couch spill.
            1. Monos
              Monos 7 March 2018 17: 11
              +6
              Quote: shuravi
              Read above, everything is pecked there

              So no. Well, then, I state that you, my dear, have recognized yourself as the cattle HAM. With what I congratulate you.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 7 March 2018 18: 06
                +2
                Yes, this sub-subject has nothing but a training manual in which he is recommended to mow "under his own". He was equipped, as recommended, with Soviet attributes (avatar - “crab” with the emblem of the Air Force, nickname “shuravi”), and pours Russia with its liquid shit.
                1. Monos
                  Monos 7 March 2018 18: 27
                  +2
                  Greetings Stepan hi
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  It was arranged, as recommended, by Soviet attributes (avatar - "crab" with the Air Force emblem, nickname "shuravi")

                  I can imagine how unpleasant it is for you.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 7 March 2018 18: 41
                    +2
                    Two fosterlings of the State Department today are actively and aggressively echoing among themselves here. ("Shuravi" and "Gardamir") Both mow down under the citizens of Russia, both pour shit on our country. This is information war in all clarity. Star Wars, Episode 175 - "Attack of the Clowns", damn it.
                2. shuravi
                  shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Yes, this sub-subject has nothing but a training manual in which he is recommended to mow "under his own". He was equipped, as recommended, with Soviet attributes (avatar - “crab” with the emblem of the Air Force, nickname “shuravi”), and pours Russia with its liquid shit.


                  How stupid trolls sometimes come across. Even they can’t even look in profile. laughing
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              2. shuravi
                shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 18
                +1
                Quote: Monos
                Quote: shuravi
                Read above, everything is pecked there

                So no. Well, then, I state that you, my dear, have recognized yourself as the cattle HAM. With what I congratulate you.


                That is, you do not know how to read? Well it happens. hi
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 8 March 2018 06: 23
            +1
            I explain to you on the fingers. What is Ukraine? Answer - Ukraine is the historical part of Russia (USSR), treacherously torn away from it during the Belovezhsky collusion. What happened at the beginning of 2014 in Ukraine? The answer is a coup d'etat organized by the owners of the Fed, which destroyed the legitimate authority of Ukraine that signed the Bialowieza Agreement. What was to happen with the territory of the former Ukraine after the fall of the legitimate authority that signed the Bialowieza Agreement? The answer is that 100% of the territory of the former Ukraine should have been transferred to the Russian Federation, as the assignee of Russia (USSR). Under whose management and control was the territory of the former Ukraine? Answer - 90% of the territory of the former Ukraine was under the control of the owners of the Fed and the management of their slaves banderlog ukroreih, about 10% (Crimea, part of the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk region) was under the control of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. What is more than 90% or 10%? The answer is more than 90%.
            Did it get there? For I can’t explain more primitively.
        5. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 50
          +8
          And giving it out as a victory is possible only for idiots.
          I agree. Having taken the Crimea, they lost Ukraine. Of course, millions have been invested on TV, so that the Russian viewer thinks that Ukraine is a foreign land.
          Tomorrow they will separate a new piece from Russia and tell that it is the country of 404.
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 7 March 2018 15: 08
            +4
            Quote: Gardamir
            And giving it out as a victory is possible only for idiots.
            I agree. Having taken the Crimea, they lost Ukraine. Of course, millions have been invested on TV, so that the Russian viewer thinks that Ukraine is a foreign land.
            Tomorrow they will separate a new piece from Russia and tell that it is the country of 404.



            That is what this is about. Or walk to start in Kazakhstan.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 7 March 2018 16: 12
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            Tomorrow they will separate a new piece from Russia

            And which piece was it separated from Russia?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 7 March 2018 16: 33
              +4
              And which piece was it separated from Russia?
              learn history with geography. The present Federation is a stub of Russia.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 7 March 2018 18: 29
                +1
                Quote: Gardamir
                And which piece was it separated from Russia?
                learn history with geography. The present Federation is a stub of Russia.

                I learned geography when people like you, apologists of the State Department, walked under the table. I, unlike yours, have a SOVIET education. Your pind colleges did not stand with him. Mow under the Russians, and in the training manual you even could not write the name of the country correctly.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 7 March 2018 19: 00
                  +1
                  State Department apologists, walked under the table on foot
                  When I served as the Minister of Defense was Ustinov D.F. So here you missed.
                  about Ukraine who wanted to be independent, remember in the 90s even the Sverdlovsk region wanted to be independent, they would also shout about the Republic of Ural that they are not brothers and the country is 404.
                  In principle, all the so-called former union republics are parts of large Russia. Some 50 years later, some Tatarstan will secede, and your grandchildren will shout, from what hangover did Tatarstan want Russia to be independent?
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 7 March 2018 19: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    When I served as the Minister of Defense was Ustinov D.F. So here you missed.

                    I began my service under Radion Yakovlevich Malinovsky, but you, stsuki, betrayed everything under Yeltsin.
                    1. shuravi
                      shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      When I served as the Minister of Defense was Ustinov D.F. So here you missed.

                      I began my service under Radion Yakovlevich Malinovsky, but you, stsuki, betrayed everything under Yeltsin.


                      Why what there. Write to Trotsky, the monitor will endure everything. laughing
                  2. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 7 March 2018 19: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    remember in the 90s even the Sverdlovsk region wanted

                    Well, the manuals were given to you by stupid owners. Who knows what he wanted. I am talking about fait accompli. Squeeze, flawed subindicators. do not disgrace your masters. Zhenya Psaki, in comparison with you, is a model of wisdom.
              2. shuravi
                shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 20
                +1
                Quote: Gardamir
                And which piece was it separated from Russia?
                learn history with geography. The present Federation is a stub of Russia.


                Well, what do you want from your friends?
          3. Piramidon
            Piramidon 7 March 2018 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            Having taken the Crimea, they lost Ukraine.

            With what hangover, Ukraine, from the 1991 of the year, who wished for SELF-POSITIVITY, in the 2014 year, became a part of Russia, which only you, subordinates have lost?
            1. shuravi
              shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 26
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Gardamir
              Having taken the Crimea, they lost Ukraine.

              With what hangover, Ukraine, from the 1991 of the year, who wished for SELF-POSITIVITY, in the 2014 year, became a part of Russia, which only you, subordinates have lost?


              How easily you renounced Donetsk, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and finally Kiev. Only for six ov this is a foreign land.
      3. figwam
        figwam 7 March 2018 12: 32
        +9
        the usa is a lying state created by bandits and swindlers, a lie at the world level has been and will be, they respect only power.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 March 2018 12: 37
          +8
          Quote: figvam
          the usa is a lying state created by bandits and swindlers, a lie at the world level has been and will be, they respect only power.

          That's right, but for some reason our authorities didn’t think so for 18 years .. The question is why?
          1. figwam
            figwam 7 March 2018 12: 51
            +3
            Quote: Svarog

            That's right, but for some reason our authorities didn’t think so for 18 years .. The question is why?

            Our body, in the form of the USSR, was terribly wounded, we lost the battle and retreated, but the enemy decided to finish us off and now we have no choice or to disappear or defeat, but we cannot live in their shitty order.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 7 March 2018 13: 02
              +10
              Quote: figvam
              Quote: Svarog

              That's right, but for some reason our authorities didn’t think so for 18 years .. The question is why?

              Our body, in the form of the USSR, was terribly wounded, we lost the battle and retreated, but the enemy decided to finish us off and now we have no choice or to disappear or defeat, but we cannot live in their shitty order.

              I agree, but we continue to play according to their rules in all areas .. This will not lead to anything good ..
              1. figwam
                figwam 7 March 2018 13: 06
                +2
                Svarog

                Yes, there are no rules anymore, and we are just pulling time.
      4. Svarog
        Svarog 7 March 2018 12: 36
        +12
        Quote: Vladimir16
        And Russia, as a result of the “doorway”, returned Crimea. So thanks to Putin !!!
        In the case of Ukraine, in general, they could not have lost it if they had pursued the correct policy with regard to the neighboring country .. They all profiled, and then .. we were deceived another 105 times .. This is babble of a child, not a statesman who is already 20 years led Russia
      5. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 7 March 2018 12: 50
        +1
        Even the Yankesian lackeys believe them only for denyushka, but in any of their fantasies! Only Russia, unfortunately, not only free, but really believes this cowboy pack of narcissistic scumbags !!! am
      6. Gardamir
        Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 57
        +6
        Russia as a result of "doorway" returned Crimea
        Stupidity with aplomb is phenomenal. And you know that New Russia is the land created by the Russians, and you know that Little Russia is one of the branches of the Russian people. And actually Ukraine, it is part of the western regions previously owned by Poland and Austria-Hungary.
        So, thanks to a cunning feint, grabbing the Crimea, Russia abandoned its lands.
        Cutting off his hand, the finger was left to himself.
        1. Antares
          Antares 7 March 2018 14: 22
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Cutting off his hand, the finger was left to himself.

          I never thought that it is easy to describe the separation of the Crimea ... physically very much the same.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 March 2018 14: 28
          +6
          Quote: Gardamir
          Cutting off his hand, left a finger

          The "Hand" carefully sawed off itself. In 1991, she cut it off.
          Doesn't roll your analogy request
        3. shuravi
          shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Russia as a result of "doorway" returned Crimea
          Stupidity with aplomb is phenomenal. And you know that New Russia is the land created by the Russians, and you know that Little Russia is one of the branches of the Russian people. And actually Ukraine, it is part of the western regions previously owned by Poland and Austria-Hungary.
          So, thanks to a cunning feint, grabbing the Crimea, Russia abandoned its lands.
          Cutting off his hand, the finger was left to himself.


          Once, in 2008, I talked about the worst-case scenario for the Russian Federation:
          http://www.tanzpol.org/2008/07/t62676_3--ukraine-
          predlagaetsya-otstaivat-svoyu-territorialnuyu-tse
          los.html # p1598651

          Russia is primarily concerned about the security of its borders. In particular, get instead of a neutral Ukraine, Ukraine in NATO.
          Actually, there was no problem as such to return Sevastopol and Crimea to the Russian Federation. Crimea was transferred in violation of then applicable law (Sevastopol was not transferred at all), and as you know, if the transaction was conducted in violation of the law, it is invalid.
          But in the Russian Federation they perfectly understood and understand that these actions will inevitably incline the opinion of the Ukrainian society towards joining NATO. Therefore, this question remained as if in limbo. For Russia, Ukraine with Crimea is more profitable and neutral than without Crimea and NATO.
          Roughly speaking, Crimea and Sevastopol are those “eggs” for which the Russian Federation is trying to keep Ukraine from jumping into the alliance. And if, nevertheless, Ukraine decides to join, then nothing will stop these “eggs” from tearing. :)

          Unfortunately, he was right.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 7 March 2018 12: 20
      +14
      How much the USA is deceiving us, they have deceived us with Libya, They have deceived us with Georgia .. now with Ukraine .. Some kind of power we have is trusting ..
      1. dauria
        dauria 7 March 2018 12: 33
        +8
        How many of us are being deceived by the USA, have been deceived with Libya, With Georgia have been deceived .. now with Ukraine.


        Do not worry, you are now deceived. laughing Putin "believed in the word of the Americans"? You never know what he said to Solovyov. You never know what Solovyov told you ... First, "rise to the top" so that you are entrusted with the information. In the meantime, take offense here at VO that they "did not report."
      2. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 7 March 2018 12: 45
        +11
        Quote: Svarog
        What kind of power we have is trusting ..

        Yes, they are not gullible and including GDP. They all knew and represented very well, but did not want to do anything.
        In a good way, it was possible to sort out the Outskirts in a few days - the army was demoralized by a coup, the top was beheaded, the Bandera had not yet completely managed to seize all the power ... etc. An ideal moment for taking the Outskirts warm, but they were afraid of the wrath of the Western "partners" and limited themselves only to Crimea ...
        As a result, we have what we have - an enemy state on our border controlled by the Washington Gestapo ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 March 2018 12: 50
          +8
          Quote: Misha Honest
          Quote: Svarog
          What kind of power we have is trusting ..

          Yes, they are not gullible and including GDP. They all knew and represented very well, but did not want to do anything.
          In a good way, it was possible to sort out the Outskirts in a few days - the army was demoralized by a coup, the top was beheaded, the Bandera had not yet completely managed to seize all the power ... etc. An ideal moment for taking the Outskirts warm, but they were afraid of the wrath of the Western "partners" and limited themselves only to Crimea ...
          As a result, we have what we have - an enemy state on our border controlled by the Washington Gestapo ...

          I agree.. hi
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 7 March 2018 13: 29
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            I agree..

            laughing Oh, these socialists, well, right every second marshal !!!
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 7 March 2018 17: 05
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Oh, these socialists, well, right every second marshal !!!

              Stalinists. ) Who is to blame that we have marshals and generals transferred.
              "- Yes, there were people in our time,
              Not that the present tribe:
              Heroes are not you! "
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 7 March 2018 17: 10
                +1
                Quote: Misha Honest
                Stalinists

                No, Mr. Honest, it is the Socialists !!!!!
                1. Misha Honest
                  Misha Honest 7 March 2018 18: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  No, Mr. Honest, it is the SOCIALISTS

                  We are first the Stalinists, and then everything else. winked Okay, at least only me. )
        2. Dmitri Kopilenko
          Dmitri Kopilenko 7 March 2018 15: 10
          0
          "In the end, we have what we have - an enemy state on our border controlled by the Washington Gestapo ..." With bitterness, the greatest regret, with sadness - I am once again convinced that the Russian elite headed by Putin succeeded to drive into their heads Russians hate everyone who is not Russia and not Russians. For a hundred years they have driven into our heads that we are the best, the most powerful, and in general the very best. Stop amusing yourself with fairy tales! Why is the most powerful (only in arms!) Living standards among African countries and third world countries? Why does a winning country live hundreds of times worse than a defeated country? Why is a German unemployed living better than a working Russian? Think about all this.
          1. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 7 March 2018 18: 12
            +1
            Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
            Why is the most powerful (only in arms!) Living standards among African countries and third world countries? Why does a winning country live hundreds of times worse than a defeated country? Why is a German unemployed living better than a working Russian? Think about all this.

            Because the government and the system are like that. I already got criminal capitalism - it's time to change it ... Well, for example, the Chinese model - it seems to me that it is very effective.
            Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
            to drive into the heads of Russians hatred of everyone who is not Russia and not Russians

            I’ll tell you a terrible secret - to everything Western I have hatred woke up thanks to Yeltsin and the Americans themselves. I speak for myself. Although, for example, I have absolutely no hatred for the Japanese or Finnish cap system.
            Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
            For a hundred years they have driven into our heads that we are the best, the most powerful, and in general the very best.

            So under the Union we were the most until Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the Americans ruined the country together.
          2. Civilian
            Civilian 7 March 2018 18: 43
            +2
            What hate? What are you speaking about ? Here’s “you” who drives into our heads that we consider ourselves “the best and most powerful”? Leave us alone, and everyone will be fine. And then they climb and climb! We don’t have to drag our good, we would sit on the opera exactly, breathe in two nostrils, exhale with our mouth. Not! Forever someone breaks!
            1. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 7 March 2018 19: 21
              0
              Quote: Civilian
              What hate? What are you speaking about ? Here’s “you” who drives into our heads that we consider ourselves “the best and most powerful”? Leave us alone, and everyone will be fine. And then they climb and climb! We don’t have to drag our good, we would sit on the opera exactly, breathe in two nostrils, exhale with our mouth. Not! Forever someone breaks!

              Calm down, it's the Jews. They will be resurrected for the sake of money and Hitler, and then they will rank him among the Jews ...
      3. Alexander.
        Alexander. 7 March 2018 12: 53
        +6
        and you didn’t ask yourself that there was a time when RUSSIA was not able to resist the enemy, or you lying on the sofa think that the state affairs are easily and not compelled to be solved as if by magic and even under pressure from the side and screeching liberals
    3. Berber
      Berber 7 March 2018 12: 25
      +7
      The one who does nothing is not mistaken. In your case, sitting on the "couch".
    4. Genry
      Genry 7 March 2018 12: 26
      +2
      Something I have a feeling that this anonymous article is custom-made.
      There are no links to the video, nor to Solovyov’s official publications. And the author is simply absent. Maybe you wrote this? And comments at the same moment ...
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 7 March 2018 12: 37
        +3
        Henry, they told you that a documentary was released - “World Order-2018“, and this is an excerpt from it.
        1. Genry
          Genry 7 March 2018 14: 18
          0
          Why do I need your commercial! If left, then lay out the movie ...
          But the article already expressed a certain meaning (IMHO distorted), but there is no confirmation of Putin's phrases. And there is no context .... It sounded like some say: "I hate women" and understand how you want.
    5. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 12: 31
      +4
      Quote: the most important
      And if they deceived ... alas, for me this is no longer an authority.

      This is about the myth of the "great Dresden intelligence officer."
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 7 March 2018 12: 38
        +3
        Great or even greater, then let the descendants decide later. But as a result - the Russian Crimea!
        1. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 12: 45
          +5
          Quote: gurzuf
          Great or even greater, then let the descendants decide later.

          I am sure they will appreciate it correctly and even earlier than you think.
          Quote: gurzuf
          But as a result - the Russian Crimea!

          Yeah, And Donbass has been fighting for 4 years now.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 7 March 2018 12: 39
        +8
        Quote: Anti-Corr.
        Quote: the most important
        And if they deceived ... alas, for me this is no longer an authority.

        This is about the myth of the "great Dresden intelligence officer."

        Yeah .. not competent in all areas ..
        1. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 12: 44
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          Yeah .. not competent in all areas ..

          Well, why? One area of ​​expertise works great for him. wink See how many defenders?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 7 March 2018 12: 51
            +7
            Quote: Anti-Corr.
            Quote: Svarog
            Yeah .. not competent in all areas ..

            Well, why? One area of ​​expertise works great for him. wink See how many defenders?

            Well, yes, there is no arguing laughing
    6. Vend
      Vend 7 March 2018 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: the most important
      A great politician can only be one who sees everything ahead for several years ... whom it is impossible to deceive ... whom it is simply dangerous to deceive! And if they deceived ... alas, for me this is no longer an authority.

      Yes you? Have you ever been deceived? And have you never been wrong? A great politician is one who can openly declare his mistakes. It can only be great politicians. Stalin once also made the bold statement "Pravda" No. 60, 2 on March 1930, "Vertigo from Success"
    7. tezey
      tezey 7 March 2018 13: 17
      +7
      Which of the great politicians can be said only after a long period of time. If we are talking about Putin V.V. in connection with the events in Ukraine and his statements to Soloviev, then naturally he will not tell everything that he did. It is clear that the deception of the Americans was predictable. It is quite clear that the result of the Maidan was predictable. Even if Yanukovych nevertheless somehow remained in power, as a result of the elections, the same forces would come to power in Ukraine that they are now ruling. Only the consequences would be different. Don’t go to your grandmother, but Russia would be kicked out of Crimea, as it was in Georgia with our bases. There was no alternative. Elite-financial-industrial Ukrainian bourgeoisie tightly linked their interests with the West and, accordingly, representing their interests, the politicians fulfilled all the requirements presented to them by the West. Therefore, in this situation, Putin, in my opinion, chose the right move. Which the Americans just could not foresee. We lose that we will not be able to defend and take away what we need strategically. And at the same time, we are creating difficulties for partners and the Ukrainian pro-American regime for many years in the Donbass. So, the answer to cheating is very painful. They itch. So that’s the question. Who deceived whom.
      1. Antares
        Antares 7 March 2018 14: 26
        0
        Quote: Theseus
        the same forces that rule now

        these forces derive support from the war. Usually, nationalists have little chance, but there’s a carte blanche for any action — war.
        1 Maidan showed that the power of nationalists quickly became unpopular and changed to a more profitable one for the Russian Federation.
        In general, wedge war is everywhere. It was impossible to organize territorial disputes - this is a sure step for creating enemies from anyone. If money is able to quarrel even relatives, then lands can make enemies generation.
    8. astankard
      astankard 7 March 2018 13: 24
      0
      It turns out that for you the authority of Obama, since he deceived Putin. ))) However, you have written - "the most important."
      And the most Glavnyuki, according to Zadornov, are the Americans.
      Are you amerikos?)))
    9. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 7 March 2018 13: 50
      +1
      "Ah, tricking me is not difficult! ..
      I’m glad to be deceived myself! "
      A.S. Pushkin.
      “Apparently, the Russian president forgets that this is not the first time on the part of the United States - it’s enough to recall NATO’s“ oral promises ”about not expanding after the reunification of Germany. Perhaps, Vladimir Putin means the time he spent at the helm of the Russian Federation”
      Aikido ..... in the big GAME!
      "" "" Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the status and conditions of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine .. Done in Kiev on May 28, 1997 .... This Agreement is concluded for 20 years, counted from the date of its temporary application . ""
    10. andrewkor
      andrewkor 7 March 2018 14: 06
      0
      Even a Jew can be deceived, but only once!
    11. Naughty
      Naughty 7 March 2018 15: 49
      +1
      You can respect Putin You can not respect But he is you the most important cheated again laughing This was the only chance to return Crimea back! And the Americans themselves helped in this without suspecting it. The GDP would have no other chance, and Russia would no longer have any I think NO-COG-YES !. Return Ukraine ........... but who needs it .......? tell me? The state which only the lazy does not use for its own purposes
    12. petyaivolk
      petyaivolk 7 March 2018 16: 11
      0
      "Well, at least they would call, at least do something, at least say a word." :))
      It’s good that GDP said next time they’ll definitely call !!!:

      No, these siloviki are really “oaks”. :)))
      Those oaks that are higher, mean stronger and see a little further, but this does not change the essence, they are “oaks” in Africa and “oaks” :))
    13. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 7 March 2018 17: 59
      0
      Opponki! It never was, and here it is again repeated. good
  2. shuravi
    shuravi 7 March 2018 12: 15
    +16
    Not Russia deceived. And those. who have to do this duty, we overslept.
    1. Fornit
      Fornit 7 March 2018 13: 28
      +4
      Quote: shuravi
      And those. those who owe us duty to do this should have overslept.


      Actually, they overslept yet the USSR ... Something about this, few are outraged. Probably - more expensive ...
  3. Altona
    Altona 7 March 2018 12: 15
    +8
    We must do the same thing again, only louder about other events. Do not be shy to call a spade a spade, anyway, they will not be taken to "partners" and sanctions will not be lifted.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 March 2018 12: 16
    +6
    According to the President of Russia, the United States is a country that actually committed a coup in Ukraine by the forces of Ukrainian radicals.

    Now things are called by their names, and then everything is around.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 41
      +1
      Now things are called by their names
      So the election is the same. God forbid, he will remain president, will again begin to trust his partners.
  5. afrikanez
    afrikanez 7 March 2018 12: 17
    +9
    Just one question: how much more do we have to be deceived?
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 7 March 2018 12: 23
      +6
      the deadline (?), then the next good person will look for external causes of the mess ...
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  7. Runoway
    Runoway 7 March 2018 12: 22
    +5
    Brazenly deceived? And we sat naive and had no idea, neither intelligence worked anything)))) laughter is simple.
    IMHO everyone knew everything and it was a great, maybe even the only, way to return Crimea, and, as a result, a lot of production to their homeland
  8. fighter angel
    fighter angel 7 March 2018 12: 23
    +4
    Not the first time, alas ...
    But was it different with the bombing of Yugoslavia?
    You can’t believe the mattresses!
    In no case!
    These are the descendants of a global rabble. "Exceptional"!
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 7 March 2018 12: 32
      +5
      And in our country, “partner” “partner” believes in the word. Gentlemen!
      1. Andrey1961
        Andrey1961 7 March 2018 13: 37
        +3
        Like Petka’s playing in a point, then the suit gave me a ride !!!
  9. gurzuf
    gurzuf 7 March 2018 12: 31
    +5
    By the way, with the accession of my Crimea, or rather, with the return of my Crimea to Russia, we can still argue about who else did it! laughing
  10. Clumsy
    Clumsy 7 March 2018 12: 35
    +2
    It seems to me that V.V. Putin is disingenuous, the feint with the Crimea was done wonderfully, so breaking the USA))) it’s beautiful, Ukraine itself is more part of the European Union zone (market + removal of a competitor in a number of industries), and the United States invested in state . The coup of 5 billions (according to the State Department) want to minimize losses, and of retaining destabilization on the border with Russia.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 7 March 2018 12: 44
      +3
      Quote: Clubfoot
      It seems to me that V.V. Putin is disingenuous, the feint with the Crimea was done wonderfully, so breaking the USA))) it’s beautiful, Ukraine itself is more part of the European Union zone (market + removal of a competitor in a number of industries), and the United States invested in state . The coup of 5 billions (according to the State Department) want to minimize losses, and of retaining destabilization on the border with Russia.


      The Russian Federation had all legal grounds to return Crimea before the 2014 year. Try to strain your brains and think about why this was not done.
      1. Clumsy
        Clumsy 7 March 2018 19: 03
        0
        Reasons, yes. But a good reason is needed, there’s such a gift, try your brain completely and imagine what would happen if Russia seized Crimea by force of arms.
        1. shuravi
          shuravi 7 March 2018 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Clubfoot
          Reasons, yes. But a good reason is needed, there’s such a gift, try your brain completely and imagine what would happen if Russia seized Crimea by force of arms.



          If there is a reason, no reason is needed.
          1. Clumsy
            Clumsy 7 March 2018 22: 42
            0
            That’s how it is for a gopota on the bench, but starting with more serious people, and even more so in big politics, an occasion is obligatory, or it will be considered not covered up aggression. In this case, the people decided.
            1. shuravi
              shuravi 8 March 2018 19: 48
              +1
              Quote: Clubfoot
              That’s how it is for a gopota on the bench, but starting with more serious people, and even more so in big politics, an occasion is obligatory, or it will be considered not covered up aggression. In this case, the people decided.


              People? It is said a lot. laughing
              By the way, it turns out liberating their territory during the Second World War also committed aggression?
              1. Clumsy
                Clumsy 8 March 2018 21: 02
                0
                Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob I feel that historical, facts, from distant history will begin)))
  11. ZHIGAN
    ZHIGAN 7 March 2018 12: 39
    +8
    Poor thing, I would still let a tear crying And the fact that Gorbach was thrown did not teach anything, but the fact that they threw EBN ... fool
  12. flicker
    flicker 7 March 2018 12: 40
    +8
    Deceived here, deceived there, deceived yesterday, deceived today ... what is the result?
    But in the end, the whole world hates the United States - if that, Trump said. They hate for deceiving, for threatening, for destroying ... but they hate quietly, pretend to love, say that they love ... and inside they hate and are afraid, but because they are afraid they hate more more and dream to smudge the mattress on the asphalt ...
    They also hate us, though for a different reason, because we do not bend like them, because we have our own opinion and we express it. But at the same time, they hope that we will stop the power impudence of the Amers and allow the rest to live without an American dictate. The rest want to live without an American dictate, and at the same time they want to become the same dictators as the United States today.
    It turns out that only Russia (at least for this historical period) can have tremendous military power and not be impudent in relation to other states, recognize their right to be sovereign.
    1. Fornit
      Fornit 7 March 2018 13: 33
      0
      I completely agree with you ... Only in order to throw the Bretton Woods system together - the geyropes have a thin gut ... They are afraid of changes that, to be honest, are most beneficial to China ... IMHO
  13. shuravi
    shuravi 7 March 2018 12: 42
    +5
    2012 year. Whatever has changed?

    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 39
      +5
      Whatever has changed?
      Gorbachev 2.0 He was asked a question, but he chatted and did not answer.
  14. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 7 March 2018 12: 43
    +2
    Who is there Yanyka accused of cowardice and indecision? We are with you!
    Who wondered why they accepted him in the Russian Federation? We are with you!
    And after reading this: "... American partners turned to us, they asked us to do everything, I’m now saying almost verbatim that Yanukovych doesn’t use the army, that the opposition vacate squares, administrative buildings and proceed with the implementation of the agreements on normalization of the situation ... ", oops, and Yanyk is a small coin of" highly partner "relationships! Like, merge, you lost the support of the people, one figs, then we will settle! They shook it, panimash ... It turns out that if it had not been shaken, then the outskirts would not have shaken to this day? What if Yanyk Berkut gave the go-ahead and would have torn down the Maidan? Ay ah, what is the purpose of the article? Something gives ... stale ...
    "... So rude and brazen, perhaps for the first (time). So that they say: let's do it, but in fact everything was done differently and did not even deign to say something on this subject, perhaps , did not have..."
    That's it, perhaps !!! And the promise not to expand NATO to the east, given to the Tagged? Is this not the first? It seems that GDP does not suffer from memory ...
    And this: "..Well, they would call, at least do something, at least say a word. At least say - you know, there is such a thing as an excess of a performer - that we didn’t want this, but such events, but we will do everything to return everything to the legal field ... "what kind of crying is Yaroslavna?
    Something really does not look like GDP, or to understand, you need to look with your own eyes !!! Some articles write to us in such a way that you can lose your head, but you will read the source and everything will fall into place!
  15. 1536
    1536 7 March 2018 12: 47
    +7
    Ukraine was not lost in the 2014 year, but immediately after the 1991 year. The USA’s greatest deception of Russia took place precisely at the beginning of the 1990’s, when our people were “glad to be deceived”, and the country's leadership simply went crazy on the expensive “gifts” of US presidents and Germans and betrayed everything in the name of “friendship” with them . As a result, the USSR collapsed. The current President was hardly involved in this. So why blame yourself? It’s good that they even managed to save Crimea.
    Ukraine will not be returned. Americans, unlike German fascists, do not burn in stoves. They change the human subconscious, destroy identity, excite the most base instincts in people, and make a zombie out of a person who is ready for anything for the sake of minimal material benefits and food. The people living in Ukraine will thus be changed and will never return to a single space with the people living in Russia. Unless, of course, the processes of the destruction of self-consciousness and the human personality do not affect Russia itself, thanks to the actions of the United States itself, their media, the so-called "culture", etc.
  16. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 7 March 2018 12: 48
    +6
    "Deceived" is a word for the layman. Lost control over the situation - this is the right concept. Even before the Maidan, when Yanuk swept between the EU and Russia, trying to get his own price, he completely lost that price, and even then it became clear that his mattresses would be fired. Our brought Yanuk out of the game because it became clear that the game was lost in any situation. Yanuk himself was afraid to use force, and there would be little sense in this, especially with Amer’s propaganda support. If Yanuk was told not to rock the boat, this is at the last stage, so that he doesn’t do anything stupid. We lost Ukraine a long time ago, but with the Maidan mattresses openly laid it under ourselves. If we forcibly left control over Ukraine, we would have received a huge number of whiners and ready traitors who would believe that Russia deprived them of a happy and free life in the EU.
  17. sigdoc
    sigdoc 7 March 2018 12: 50
    +3
    Look, what a gullible look !!!
  18. Not served
    Not served 7 March 2018 12: 55
    0
    If you look only at the facts and not at conversations / treaties, the goal of the United States was the Crimea, and moreover, for a long time, and ours knew that. And most likely the situation was this, but we will believe you, but if that we have a plan "B", and as a result the main goal is not achieved, Crimea sailed away. But there was a Donbass and the war that they, not they, we apparently did not plan. And all this as a setup and hemorrhoids went to Trump, and they rebounded and look from the side with popcorn and even put sticks into the wheels.
  19. savage1976
    savage1976 7 March 2018 12: 56
    0
    Now, living this time, we see everything in one light, but years will pass and history will put everything in its place. There was Peter 1, he was cursed, excommunicated, and in history he is one of the greatest rulers of the Russian Empire. There was Lenin, Stalin, they were deified at first, then cursed, now the debate is on, but as a result of their work, a country emerged that defeated fascism, which opened the way to space and changed the whole world for a century.
    We will wait and see how it all turns back, who will be in history and who will fall into history.
    1. Andrey1961
      Andrey1961 7 March 2018 13: 48
      +1
      We are unlikely to see !!
  20. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 March 2018 13: 01
    +3
    What time! It turns out that Vladimir Vladimirovich wore pink glasses. It’s strange. But I have confidence in them, never had.
  21. Alexander.
    Alexander. 7 March 2018 13: 01
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Anti-Corr.
    Quote: Svarog
    Yeah .. not competent in all areas ..

    Well, why? One area of ​​expertise works great for him. wink See how many defenders?

    Well, yes, there is no arguing laughing

    why it seems to me that I need to change the name, but the name is Slavic and very significant, and the person who occupied it somehow doesn’t really correspond to it, and it doesn’t draw on the Slav
    1. cats
      cats 7 March 2018 16: 25
      +2
      For some reason, these guys decided that Putin is a batman or some kind of gender ...
      Will wave a magic stick ... and there are no oligarchs ... the state thief will whisper
      the penitent will begin ... and it is impossible to deceive him ...
      If GDP was a garripoter, I think the whiners' mouths turned into a chicken butt .. wassat
  22. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 7 March 2018 13: 10
    +7
    Discovered America. Nothing when you can not agree with them !!! Never! A land of liars, thieves, and murderers. They have a genetically embedded attitude towards deception and enrichment with the love method. Deception and falsehood are among the first on this list.
  23. soldatt22
    soldatt22 7 March 2018 13: 11
    +1
    SHURAVI, are you friends with your head?
  24. Hard Rock
    Hard Rock 7 March 2018 13: 12
    +2
    You live - and learn!
  25. demo
    demo 7 March 2018 13: 13
    +4
    Apparently, the Russian president forgets that this is far from the first time on the part of the United States - it suffices to recall NATO’s “oral promises” of non-expansion after the unification of Germany. Perhaps Vladimir Putin is referring to his time at the helm of the Russian Federation. But even at this time, the United States was deceiving enough to take at least statements about the non-directionality of the American missile defense system against Russia.

    Not only the President of Russia forgets, but we all, who so naively considered Ukrainians, for the most part, mostly fraternal people, for some reason did not deign to simply read the anthem of this people.
    And there are such words

    Oh, Bogdan, Bogdan,
    Our glorious hetman!
    Why gave Ukraine
    Muscovites are bad ?!


    The anthem, by the way, became a state already in 2003.
    And what did the Muscovites sleep?
    And they overslept.
    And not in 2014 it was necessary to “deceive”, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, and a little earlier to move the convolutions.
    Earlier. Much.
    1. cats
      cats 7 March 2018 16: 28
      +2
      But why didn’t you suggest that?
      Did you know and were silent?
      Partner in crime?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 March 2018 19: 08
      0
      Well, they don’t have such words in the national anthem.)) This is from Shevchenko’s poem.
  26. shuravi
    shuravi 7 March 2018 13: 14
    +3
    The decision to enter Syria was very correct. There is a wonderful and painless, in comparison with the Donbass, the opportunity to toughly answer the United States. Counterattack if you wish.
    But as always, everything is half of us, half-heartedly with caution.
    Instead of entering into a full-fledged military alliance with Syria. And then, an ultimatum, to all outsiders to leave the territory of Syria. No, strike like that, feel free to show strength.
    And no third world because of this will begin. USA. there is something to lose and much more than us.
    1. Anti-Corr.
      Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: shuravi
      the possibility of a tough answer to the United States. Counterattack if you wish.

      Let's listen to the respected General Ivashov.
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 7 March 2018 13: 30
        +3
        Quote: Anti-Corr.
        Quote: shuravi
        the possibility of a tough answer to the United States. Counterattack if you wish.

        Let's listen to the respected General Ivashov.


        He says everything correctly. Until the blood of real American troops is shed, they will only increase pressure. After all, there is no answer.
        However, we ourselves do not need to do anything. What prevents to strike the Syrian army? But under the guise of allies, that is, the Russian Federation.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 35
      +1
      There is a wonderful and painless, in comparison with the Donbass, the opportunity to toughly answer the United States.
      If you pretend you don’t know about your losses
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 7 March 2018 14: 03
        +4
        Quote: Gardamir
        There is a wonderful and painless, in comparison with the Donbass, the opportunity to toughly answer the United States.
        If you pretend you don’t know about your losses


        What kind of losses? If the troops of the Russian Federation, then no one showed the facts of their presence there. Rather, the opposite.
        If in essence, then not only the militia, but also the APU, these are our losses. Despite the fact that they are now in Ukraine by nowhere fooled by propaganda, these are our people.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 March 2018 14: 11
          +1
          If essentially
          I re-read your comments, to this note, I agree everywhere. just misunderstood here.
  27. alexandrastafiev
    alexandrastafiev 7 March 2018 13: 14
    +8
    And why did Putin then recognize the legitimacy of the leadership of Ukraine. And for several years he claimed that "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" and the Ukrainians have a legitimate government! Only last year, Putin spoke again about the coup in Ukraine.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 33
      +3
      Last year only
      The effect of Krymnashi began to decline, and on the nose elections.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 March 2018 19: 10
      0
      So in most cases, in the end, always in the world recognize the government that came as a result of coups.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 8 March 2018 06: 41
        +1
        This is if all the possibilities were used to remove the enemy government that came to power during the coup. And in 2014 the oligarchy of the Russian Federation had only a miserable puffing of cheeks and Leopold's cat syndrome in relation to the owners of the Fed and the banderlog of ukroreich.
  28. rocket757
    rocket757 7 March 2018 13: 20
    +3
    You can cheat anyone! Someone many, many times, and another and enough time! Schaub rake bypass!
  29. Fornit
    Fornit 7 March 2018 13: 21
    +3
    "While simpletons live in the world - to live with deceit, therefore, we have to hand ..." (C)
    "Only the pale-faced walk on the rake twice" (C)
    How long ????? !!!!!! After Andropov what? Midlife crisis, or ordinary insanity ??? angry
    When the already drawn hearth appears ??? repeat
  30. Alex66
    Alex66 7 March 2018 13: 28
    +2
    that the United States simply deceived both Russia and the then leadership of Ukraine.
    Oh well, they have deceived you liberal liberal adherents of the West, who are glad to be deceived. Just as you are deceiving your people, giving them to plunder, so the better you are, because you respect decency with them, and rob your people without decency?
  31. iouris
    iouris 7 March 2018 13: 28
    +1
    USA about Russia: they brazenly deceived ...
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  33. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 March 2018 13: 32
    +5
    American partners turned to us, they asked us,
    But what about the tricky plan? There is a complete lack of their own independent policies, you see, the partners asked him, What does Russia have no interests in Ukraine? Why let the Americans into neighboring territory? Oh well, they’re presidential partners ..
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  35. Andrey1961
    Andrey1961 7 March 2018 13: 40
    +4
    At first they recognized the coup * legitimate * and now they come up with how to win back!
    And admit weakly in a mistake !?
  36. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 7 March 2018 14: 00
    +2
    After the fight they don’t wave their fists. I would not blame Putin for advice to Yanukovych. It is clear that in his decision he relied on intelligence data (ambassadorial and otherwise). But he couldn’t suck it out of his finger, “sedative” messages were obviously sent to him, saying that they would go crazy and disperse. We know who was the ambassador to Ukraine at that time. That and that. Shit. And yet Mr. Putin could not get rid of political correctness. He did not name those who called him, but he should.
  37. Dmitri Kopilenko
    Dmitri Kopilenko 7 March 2018 14: 18
    +1
    Taking advantage of the fact that the vast majority of Crimeans did not know the Constitution of Ukraine - Putin deceived them, saying that they have the right to a referendum on secession. This was contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine, and Putin was well aware of this. These are the pies ...
    1. Santor
      Santor 7 March 2018 15: 36
      +3
      You sir forgot that Crimea entered the Ukrainian SSR on certain conditions - to have its own Supreme Council, its own Constitution and its own government - Google to help ... The first law adopted by the new government was - the liquidation of the autonomous republic of Crimea, the dissolution of the Supreme Council, dissolution government and the appointment of interim management. Mr. Poroshenko was appointed manager, unless of course you bother to recall the events of that year. 6 airplanes with special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine under the leadership of Avakov and Nalyvaichenko took off from Kiev. On the spot they were supposed to be provided with equipment and also reinforcements in the form of army units. And if you carefully remember or google the video, you will notice in the frames the equipment of the Ukrainian units, arranged in columns against the gates blocked to the exit.

      Poroshenko arrived at 23 hours to the building of the Supreme Council to take power from the special forces seizing the building ... There are videos on the network how he is escorted "to the exit", you can enjoy. Just by that time, the building of the Armed Forces and the Government had already been taken under protection. And the Ukrainian special forces, who tried to get into the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, were simply tied up like a bunch of radishes by those who were already there.

      Since the Verkhovna Rada adopted the Law on the Liquidation of AF Crimea, the republic’s presence within Ukraine has become legally unlawful. If you don’t understand what I mean - ask lawyers you know ... It's like - a prenuptial agreement has been concluded. And when one of the parties spits on him and dissolves him - what follows? That's right ... Because the Russian Federation is calm about the Crimea.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 7 March 2018 16: 46
      +4
      Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
      Taking advantage of the fact that the vast majority of Crimeans did not know the Constitution of Ukraine - Putin deceived them, saying that they have the right to a referendum on secession

      What is now the Jewish representative, truthful and law-abiding? However, your law-abiding attitude does not stop you from bombing the cities, and supply thugs in Syria.
    3. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 7 March 2018 18: 01
      +1
      Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
      Taking advantage of the fact that the vast majority of Crimeans did not know the Constitution of Ukraine - Putin deceived them, saying that they have the right to a referendum on secession. This was contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine, and Putin was well aware of this. These are the pies ...

      But what about the "right of a nation to self-determination"?
    4. Clumsy
      Clumsy 7 March 2018 19: 17
      0
      What kind of constitution are you talking about after the armed coup with the money of third countries and the coming to power of a pro-fascist nationalist minority?
  38. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 7 March 2018 14: 31
    +2
    How can a country that is stepping up coups throughout the world accuse someone of interfering in its elections ?!
  39. Antares
    Antares 7 March 2018 14: 36
    0
    some kind of children's variations on the theme ...
    Who is this for? For domestic consumption? Sworn West impudently deceived?
    Or another KhPP - they wanted us the best, but they deceived us, and we did as they did not, because we were always deceived .. but we won’t be fooled the next time (maybe)
  40. flicker
    flicker 7 March 2018 14: 41
    +5
    We were approached by American partners, they asked us to do everything, I now say almost verbatim a request that Yanukovych do not use the army, that the opposition would vacate the squares, administrative buildings and proceed to implement the agreements on normalizing the situation.
    The President noted that Russia appealed to the then leadership of Ukraine with a request for the non-use of force and, in fact, to satisfy requests from the opposition. At the same time, Vladimir Putin notes that the United States simply deceived both Russia and the then leadership of Ukraine.
    Our Crimea, and not American, in Ukraine, even the most rabid Svidomites and oligarchs are already horrified by what they did with a wave of amers. the Americans, realizing that the parasiuk state is in distress and is about to drown, are trying to extract at least some benefit for themselves from the death of the Ukrainian titanic, and they knock them out to war with Russia (a shred of wool from a black sheep). And what is Putin wrong about?
    the Americans suggested that we (Russia) ask Yanukovych not to use force to disperse. Suppose we would say the opposite: push. Yanukovych would start to crush (it’s not yet a fact that the army would be on the side of Yanukovych), the West would start to howl about a bloody dictator, all the media would be full of bloody pictures of children and adolescents, Ukraine would fall under sanctions, the dream of the EU would disappear, all the opposition ( oligarchs, Bandera, Timoshenko, etc.) aunts with pots on their heads, young ladies with lace shorts, etc. Well, how long would Yanukovych stay in power? And the West would have screamed that he personally asked Putin to influence Yanukovych not to use force, because everything could be solved peacefully, etc.
    As a result, we would get Ukraine (plunged into a civil war) with a population that completely hated Russia. And even from a historical perspective, we would not be able to justify ourselves, since we would completely blame our own tyranny on us.
    Time has shown that we made a humane decision with respect to the Ukrainian people and we do not bear blame for what is happening. All the blame for the deaths of Ukrainians and Ukraine as a state in pin dos dances.
  41. Santor
    Santor 7 March 2018 15: 25
    +1
    Where is the link to the source? Very simply put Putin an idiot and a round fool, which can be judged by the comments. And even the author is looking not specified.
    1. flicker
      flicker 7 March 2018 16: 45
      +2
      Well, the IP address of topwar.ru in the USA
  42. Ivan 1980
    Ivan 1980 7 March 2018 15: 39
    0
    And Russia, as a result of the “doorway”, returned Crimea. So, thanks to Putin !!! [/ quote] In the case of Ukraine, we could not have lost it at all if we had the right policy towards the neighboring country ..








    Ukraine has disconnected if that is due to the fact that in Soviet times an order for tanks came, they were offered to do the whole union. They refused and therefore it disconnected if in short.
  43. Dikson
    Dikson 7 March 2018 16: 08
    +1
    some kind of babble of a naive Albanian, excuse me .. where is the work of the analytical departments? I will never believe that all the scenarios did not work out .. It's all a game for the public ..)) .. It's sad that this has been going on for many years .. "Partners", "concerns", "perplexities" .. but in the end: "she drowned" .. "they won’t get off with tomatoes" ..
  44. APASUS
    APASUS 7 March 2018 16: 38
    +2
    I have only one complaint to our government and Putin, too: What the hell have been silent all this time? It’s ridiculous to say that after all that they did with Ukraine and we recognized this power, why did you admit, because it was initially clear that the Americans would not build an oasis in the desert
  45. Prospero
    Prospero 7 March 2018 16: 45
    +1
    All this will need to be fixed, and as soon as possible.
  46. cats
    cats 7 March 2018 16: 48
    +3
    Tell me, do you like how Western politicians behave?
    The whole world is tired of lies, duplicity and all these abominations supposedly diplomatic.
    Putin is trying to be honest, trying to trust, not playing by their rules.
    What are you guys blaming him for? In that he remained human?
    In trying to play by the rules?
    It’s easy to be a liar and a villain, it’s convenient to redraw the rules for yourself.
    You are now spitting on someone who is trying to be honest, trying not to slide into chaos.
    Like adults.
  47. Radikal
    Radikal 7 March 2018 16: 55
    0
    Quote: the most important
    A great politician can only be one who sees everything ahead for several years ... whom it is impossible to deceive ... whom it is simply dangerous to deceive! And if they deceived ... alas, for me this is no longer an authority.

    And if still ... and is disingenuous ... winked
  48. Radikal
    Radikal 7 March 2018 16: 59
    +3
    The President noted that Russia appealed to the then leadership of Ukraine with a request for the non-use of force and, in fact, to satisfy requests from the opposition. At the same time, Vladimir Putin notes that the United States simply deceived both Russia and the then leadership of Ukraine.
    Then such a small question — why then did you recognize this government after the coup, if you realized that you had been “deceived” ?! wassat
  49. Radikal
    Radikal 7 March 2018 17: 01
    +2
    Quote: Dikson
    some kind of babble of a naive Albanian, excuse me .. where is the work of the analytical departments? I will never believe that all the scenarios did not work out .. It's all a game for the public ..)) .. It's sad that this has been going on for many years .. "Partners", "concerns", "perplexities" .. but in the end: "she drowned" .. "they won’t get off with tomatoes" ..

    yes good
  50. armourer
    armourer 7 March 2018 17: 04
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    I will tell you this, the one who does nothing is not mistaken. The cunning enemy breeds the mind