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Production systems for MiG-31 engines can be restored in Perm

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Production of key systems and components for the D-30F6 engines of the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor can be resumed in Perm, if necessary, said Sergey Popov, managing director of ODK-Perm Motors.


Production systems for MiG-31 engines can be restored in Perm


I do not see anything difficult in solving this problem. Over the past three or four years, we have fully restored the production of the modules of the “hot” part of this engine - the turbine. And as necessary, we will restore the manufacture of the engine compressor
- He said, answering the question about the possibility of restoring production.

Popov stressed that the active operation of the MiG-31 in the army pushes the industry to develop the most effective options for repairing their power plants, reports TASS.

In Russia, the production of these engines is not conducted, but if necessary, we will quickly be able to resume the creation of key components and assemblies of power plants MiG-31
- summarized Popov.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 March 2018 11: 25
    +4
    That is, old people will still fly, otherwise they almost wrote off them for retirement.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 7 March 2018 11: 27
      +12
      early they still retired. especially in light of recent implementations for him.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 7 March 2018 11: 31
        +7
        beginner Today, 11:27 ↑ New
        early they still retired. especially in light of recent implementations for him.

        Yes, now they have become "gray cardinals", they can do a lot.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 7 March 2018 11: 35
          +2
          and given the veil of secrecy designed for him by a rocket, I’m sure, after the first of March, I’ll start the engines under it already tomorrow.
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 11: 41
            +2
            Quote: newbie
            After the first of March, the engines for it should be started already tomorrow.

            Yeah, at night, I have a question, but why stop producing? Yes, and the 31st machine is discontinued why?
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 7 March 2018 11: 47
              +2
              Well, explain to me, not far away, the plague removed from production high-altitude supersonic. interceptor fighter? which, among other things (intercepts everything that flies), is also the coordinator of the actions of the “kids” of Sushka and MIGs? Why was Tu160 discontinued?
              1. Anti-Corr.
                Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 11: 51
                +2
                You see, how many questions we have with you, but there are no answers, is this to talk about the fact that the rocket was already developed for non-manufactured equipment? Do not find that something is not growing together?
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 7 March 2018 11: 58
                  +2
                  MIG31 discontinued, but is in service with the VKS. actively upgraded to BM level, removed from storage facilities that were decommissioned. I don’t understand, honestly, what is your question? Tu160 was also removed from production. but in service (and production has already been established). and a rocket with hypersound, there’s no one else to disperse before launch, well, except perhaps prototsu_ MIG25mu. so what's your question
                  1. Anti-Corr.
                    Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 12: 13
                    +1
                    This is to say that there is nothing new, and launches from the Migar confirm this as well as possible. This is just an excuse for you to reflect. hi
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer 7 March 2018 12: 24
                      +1
                      it’s nothing new exactly in the launch with the 31st_ I agree. but I didn’t hear that the missile was brought to arming (and even with such performance characteristics). Well, for an occasion to reflect, I thank you, I usually do this after hearing or reading something. such are we, reading and thinking, of Soviet sourdough. but your thought, which you did not reveal (why?), I fully support. for nothing is taken from nowhere (Lomonoso), especially developments on similar topics. Our design school is alive and growing.
                      1. Anti-Corr.
                        Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 12: 27
                        +4
                        Quote: newbie
                        I usually do this after hearing or reading something. such are we, reading and thinking, of Soviet sourdough.

                        It's nice to talk with a thinking person, otherwise the fools are sick of it, honestly. hi
                      2. newcomer
                        newcomer 7 March 2018 12: 32
                        +1
                        mutually, colleague.
                    2. hrych
                      hrych 7 March 2018 13: 01
                      +2
                      Quote: Anti-Corr.
                      there is nothing new

                      Not quite the same as the engine for the Tu22M3 and Tu-160, new materials and technologies that are not available at that time will be applied. This leads to increased efficiency, etc. In an interview, it was mentioned that the production of the main part - the "hot part" has already been restored, which is not available to the same Chinese, etc. There are secrets of materials science, technological production, etc. In particular, the temperature in combustion chamber above the melting temperature of the blades and other subtleties. The Mig-31 with the new engine will definitely surpass the Mig-31 of the Soviet period in terms of performance characteristics, so it’s impossible to say anything new. Yes, its glider is the limit of jet aircraft, but avionics, propulsion and weapons, of course, can and should be improved.
                      1. Anti-Corr.
                        Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 13: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        like the engine for the Tu22M3 and Tu-160, new materials and technologies that are not available at that time will be applied.

                        This is completely understandable, because in the 21st century it is impossible to do with technologies of the middle of the last century. I spoke more about the rocket itself, having responded to the thesis of our colleague. hi
                      2. NN52
                        NN52 7 March 2018 13: 52
                        +11
                        Here the question is different ..... D 30 f6 has always had a relatively small resource .. And if they restore production and can also increase the resource, then well done ....
                        The guys are flying a lot now, and the resource of the engines quickly gets out ....
            2. Chertt
              Chertt 7 March 2018 11: 51
              +8
              Quote: Anti-Corr.
              I have a question, but why stop producing?

              And the question is, Why did the USSR collapse, are you not interested?. Doesn’t it seem that this is somehow connected)))
              1. Anti-Corr.
                Anti-Corr. 7 March 2018 12: 05
                +2
                Quote: Chertt
                And the question is, Why did the USSR collapse, are you not interested?. Doesn’t it seem that this is somehow connected)))

                It doesn't even seem, I'm sure. wink
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 7 March 2018 11: 39
      0
      They don’t see anything complicated, but the planes are falling. belay Somehow, such things need to be done without a poster. We do it for ourselves. winked
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 7 March 2018 11: 42
        +2
        please explain where is the connection between the production of D30F6 and the fall (alas) of aircraft?
      2. vlad66
        vlad66 7 March 2018 11: 48
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        They don’t see anything complicated, but the planes are falling.

        Falling due to engines? A lot due to D30 F6 MiGs fell?
      3. Firework
        Firework 8 March 2018 23: 43
        0
        What is the resource of the MiG-31 engine?
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 March 2018 11: 25
    +3
    Well, for the sanctions ... How it all "stirred" laughing
  3. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 7 March 2018 11: 34
    +2
    The good news is, jobs will appear, old staff will be preserved, and there new staff will be educated and new developments will appear.
  4. atos_kin
    atos_kin 7 March 2018 11: 34
    +4
    Yes, garbage a question, for the next six years of wise rule, we will promise more than once.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 7 March 2018 12: 21
    +2
    It’s necessary, restore ... to dispossess bureaucrats and associates, enough for five plants!
  6. Vita vko
    Vita vko 7 March 2018 14: 02
    0
    I wonder why it is generally necessary to restore the production of obsolete D-30F6 if there is a ready-made AL-41F1S, whose thrust is at least 5-7% lower, but it is much more economical. In addition, an engine has already been created for the Su-57 of the second stage, which is in no way inferior to the D-30F6 engine and significantly surpasses it in terms of energy output.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 7 March 2018 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: Vita VKO
      I wonder why it is necessary to restore the production of obsolete D-30F6 if there is a ready-made AL-41F1S

      Just get a brand new plane. It makes no sense to remodel it under a new engine. Moreover, the production of the 31st is discontinued.
      It is better to create a new interceptor similar to the 57st based on the 31th in the future.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 7 March 2018 15: 39
        +1
        Quote: Kurare
        in the future, based on the 57th, create a new interceptor similar to the 31st

        It will not work, unfortunately. 57 was created as a universal machine, and 31 highly specialized air defense interceptors. Any engineer will tell you that a specialized machine will always be cheaper and more efficient than a universal one. Therefore, the continuation can only be the MiG-41 project.
        But all the same, it is not clear why the engines are very close in terms of thrust-weight ratio on the MiG-31 and Su-35S are not interchangeable?
        1. NN52
          NN52 7 March 2018 15: 49
          +9
          Vita vko
          You can explain it with a simple example .... You try to put the engine from the Lexus PX 330 on the Tuareg .... Will it work?
          And the size and fuel automation, but in general everything is different ...

          And now, after the Dagger, 31 non-specialized aircraft.
        2. Kurare
          Kurare 7 March 2018 17: 49
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          It will not work, unfortunately. 57 was created as a universal machine, and 31 highly specialized air defense interceptors.

          Not quite clearly expressed, had in mind on the basis of avionics of the 57th.
          Quote: Vita VKO
          But all the same, it is not clear why the engines are very close in terms of thrust-weight ratio on the MiG-31 and Su-35S are not interchangeable?

          And you just look at the dimensions of these engines, where are the auxiliary systems, etc. There you have to redo the entire glider.
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 7 March 2018 18: 02
            +1
            Quote: Kurare
            dimensions of these engines, see where the auxiliary systems are located, etc.
            I looked, a third lighter and a meter shorter, the diameter is also clearly smaller, i.e. according to the mass-dimensional characteristics, instead of 2 D-30F6, 3 pieces of AL-41F1S can be installed. Of course, it will not work constructively, but theoretically it is possible to upgrade.
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 7 March 2018 18: 24
              +3
              Quote: Vita VKO
              Of course, it will not work constructively, but theoretically it is possible to upgrade.

              And then we come to the conclusion that it turns out a new plane! wink It will just be necessary to change so much there that it is better to recreate it.
            2. NN52
              NN52 7 March 2018 23: 18
              +8
              Vita vko

              File your patent application, MiG 31 with traction vector ...
              Americans after our Dagger and 31 with a controlled thrust vector, they’ll make hara-kiri with this dagger ...
              1. Vita vko
                Vita vko 8 March 2018 09: 45
                0
                Quote: NN52
                patent application, MiG 31 with controlled traction vector ..

                This will not be a patent, but an application for the position of a flight suicide. At such speeds, only kamikaze can maneuver the thrust vector. Although in the history of the MiG-31 regiment in which he began his service, there were two cases when, when performing aerobatics, the 31st pilots did not have enough height.
                1. NN52
                  NN52 8 March 2018 14: 01
                  +7
                  Vita vko

                  And specify pzhl, what figures of the Aerobatics performed on the MiG 31 ?? ///
  7. lopvlad
    lopvlad 8 March 2018 07: 39
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    old people will still fly


    calling a 4th generation airplane an old man doesn’t turn his tongue. He was ahead of his time for a long time like the TU-160.
  8. Cradle
    Cradle 8 March 2018 23: 38
    0
    In Russia, the production of these engines is not conducted.
    +++ Probably Serdyukov fussed, he is engaged in helicopters, so helicopters began to fall ...