Russia refused to negotiate with the EU and Ukraine on gas

All court proceedings between Gazprom and Naftogaz are proceeding on the basis of contracts and relations between these companies, and trilateral negotiations between Russia, Ukraine and the European Union are not planned, said Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak.

Trilateral negotiations are not planned, because all court proceedings are based on contracts and relationships between commercial organizations, that is, between Gazprom and Naftogaz.

- transmits his words TASS.

He added that issues should be settled between these companies.

It should be noted that Ukraine supported negotiations, and the EU expressed its readiness to be a mediator.

Earlier it became known that Gazprom filed an appeal against the decision of the Stockholm arbitration on the case of gas supply to Ukraine. We are talking about the decision of the Stockholm arbitration, which ordered Gazprom to pay Naftogaz 4,63 billion for the short supply of gas for transit. Taking into account the amount awarded in favor of Gazprom under the contract for the supply of "fine" was reduced to 2,56 billion.

After that, Gazprom initiated the termination of gas supply and transit contracts with the Ukrainian company. Since 1 in March, the Russian company did not resume the supply of blue fuel to NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy, which has resulted in the threat of a gas shortage in Ukraine.

Comments

[Angel_and_Demon]

It should be noted that Ukraine supported negotiations, and the EU expressed its readiness to be a mediator.

no gaskets enough

[210ox]

I did not see in the article that Russia refused to negotiate .. They are not planned, but that does not mean that they are impossible. I think that it will begin by autumn .. We are on the eve of a grandiose schukher. As Popandopulo said ..

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

It should be noted that Ukraine supported negotiations, and the EU expressed its readiness to be a mediator.

no gaskets enough

[Svarog]

Quote: 210ox

I did not see in the article that Russia refused to negotiate .. They are not planned, but this does not mean that they are impossible ..

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

It should be noted that Ukraine supported negotiations, and the EU expressed its readiness to be a mediator.

no gaskets enough

Yes, now we will show that we are tough .. and after the elections we will continue to talk .. Then Kozak began to wave his saber .. and in general the government cheered up What is it for?

[newcomer]

Be that as it may, the contract is over. will talk about prices for the joint venture.

[Svarog]

Quote: newbie

Be that as it may, the contract is over. will talk about prices for the joint venture.

Well, if so .. it's high time, tired of this sussing ..

[Tatyana]

Angel_and_Demon

It should be noted that Ukraine supported negotiations, and the EU expressed its readiness to be a mediator.

no gaskets enough

The “laying” in the form of pro-American involvement of the arbitration court in Stockholm for gas supply in favor of Ukraine, the USA and EU countries already exists and Russia, in principle, can’t get anywhere.

Therefore, Russia needs to put in place the Arbitration itself, which has applied double standards to the Russian Federation. The court illegally rewrote the old contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz on its own behalf and wrote a new contract for them. It’s the same as the Americans wrote and forced Russia to accept the colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation.

So the arbitration court itself outlawed itself by its decision to interfere in the internal affairs of the two companies of the two countries in the interests of third parties. For DUAL standards in the engagement of the arbitration court in Stockholm for exceeding its authority is evident.

[helmi8]

Quote: Tatiana

So the arbitration court itself outlawed itself by its decision to interfere in the internal affairs of the two companies of the two countries in the interests of third parties. For DUAL standards in the engagement of the arbitration court in Stockholm for exceeding its authority is evident.

As well as the IOC in relation to our athletes. Well, we must understand that in the near future it will continue in all directions ...

[askme]

Chic comment. Fiercely plus)

[Serge Gorely]

Quote: Tatiana

Angel_and_Demon

It should be noted that Ukraine supported negotiations, and the EU expressed its readiness to be a mediator.

no gaskets enough

The “laying” in the form of pro-American involvement of the arbitration court in Stockholm for gas supply in favor of Ukraine, the USA and EU countries already exists and Russia, in principle, can’t get anywhere.

Therefore, Russia needs to put in place the Arbitration itself, which has applied double standards to the Russian Federation. The court illegally rewrote the old contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz on its own behalf and wrote a new contract for them. It’s the same as the Americans wrote and forced Russia to accept the colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation.

So the arbitration court itself outlawed itself by its decision to interfere in the internal affairs of the two companies of the two countries in the interests of third parties. For DUAL standards in the engagement of the arbitration court in Stockholm for exceeding its authority is evident.

The Americans, by the way, wrote our full-time constitution ..... 100500 consultants with ceremonial roots helped.

[businessv]

Quote: Tatiana

Therefore, Russia needs to put in place the Arbitration itself, which has applied double standards to the Russian Federation.

Great comment, bravo! The court will no longer have to be put in place because it was chosen by the parties when concluding the Contract just for such a "smelly" case, and since the Contract is already terminated, I don’t think that this court will again be able to appear somewhere in the conclusion contracts by our companies!

[AIR]

It’s the same as the Americans wrote and forced Russia to accept the colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation.
This is what happened! We live by the constitution written by American advisers ....

[vlad66]

Quote: newbie

Be that as it may, the contract is over. will talk about prices for the joint venture.

The end is not the end, these lawsuits go on for years, but the crested ones can now only produce gas by reverse, now in Europe the price for crests is $ 1 per 1 cubic meter.

[Alex-a832]

As a result, the “breakthrough” in the arbitration will cost svidmym many times more expensive. Lately everything has been like this for them - for what they would not have taken as a result, they are turning to guan.

[newcomer]

so the flag in their hands. Having terminated the contract, we owe nothing to anyone.

[Serge Gorely]

What's the point? Five years will pass, the skakuas will bark ,, muscle brothers ,, Russia is a generous soul, everything ,, brosushka ,, will write off.

[d1975]

To write off this is not a sin, but does it make sense. It seems to me that these patroshki will get us.

[Crowe]

Quote: vlad66

The end is not the end, these lawsuits go on for years

Director of the Center for Strategic Analysis of the Institute for Innovative Development, Andrei Ivanov, commented on Vitanko’s statement to FAN

“By itself, the decision of Gazprom to terminate contracts with Naftogaz is symbolic for the simple reason that contracts expire in a year and no one is going to renew them, as you might guess. In this case, the procedure itself for the breaking of contracts, all these courts may be delayed for many years. On the other hand, Gazprom should state its position most clearly. Here it is extremely interesting that there will be a general role for Ukraine in the transit of gas.
President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said that it is impossible to break the contract between Naftogaz and Gazprom. According to the head of the Ukrainian state, such a procedure is simply not provided for in the document.

[kapitan92]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: newbie

Be that as it may, the contract is over. will talk about prices for the joint venture.

The end is not the end, these lawsuits go on for years, but the crested ones can now only produce gas by reverse, now in Europe the price for crests is $ 1 per 1 cubic meter.

Vlad, welcome! They will buy gas in Europe on the spot market, this is not a problem. The point is:
Ukraine without a transit pipe

Discussing the topic “Ukraine without a transit pipe,” everyone is talking primarily about the annual billions of dollars in transit that Kiev will lose after 2019. Swim finely, comrades! The matter is much more interesting.

A huge transit gas pipe stretching across Ukraine (in fact, there are not one, but several) is part of the Ukrainian GTS. From the huge gas river stretching across Ukraine to the left and right, small streams run up, one to Kiev, one to Cherkasy, and one to Lviv. In every city and every village, gas flows through the same pipe to be killed. And therefore - the maestro, a mourning march!

Citizens of Ukraine! Regarding the increase in gas tariffs, I want to reassure you: every year they will be even greater! The value of the blue flame burning in your homes also includes the amount necessary to service the GTS. The gas transportation system is not only a pipe, it is numerous gas measuring and gas distribution and compressor stations, underground storage facilities.

At each station, in each gas storage, dozens of electronic devices, and dozens of specialists around the clock make sure that all this economy works, and not explode. The maintenance of all this requires money - and big.

If today part of the burden of maintaining the entire GTS falls on the transit, then as the volume of gas transit decreases, an increasing share will be transferred to the Naftogaz Ukrainy company for you consumers.

And how much will you have to pay?

We answer - a lot. The GTS of Ukraine was built in Soviet times immediately as transit, taking into account the pumping of billions of volumes through it. According to Naftogaz’s former spokesperson, Valentin Zemlyansky, the gas transportation system is cost-effective when pumping at least 60 billion cubic meters of gas through it. After 2019, it will become unprofitable. So, the entire Ukrainian GTS must be rebuilt to the new realities.

Ivan Kapitonov, associate professor of higher education at the RANEPA, determines the amount necessary for this at $ 9 billion. Now guess who will give so much money for this "construction of the century"? West? The answer is incorrect - with the closure of Ukrainian gas transit (in whole or in part), the maintenance of the Ukrainian GTS will become a problem exclusively for Ukraine, and a big draw.

[Don]

Everybody is dreaming, nobody has allowed and will not allow Ukraine to pose in a pose of gas blackmail; this is geopolitics. One way or another, Russia will have to continue to take on part of the content of its non-brothers. When signing JV_2, Germany will set Russia a tough condition for maintaining gas pumping through the Ukrainian gas transportation system after 2019.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Donskoy

When signing SP_2, Germany will put Russia on a strict condition for maintaining gas pumping through the Ukrainian gas transportation system after 2019.

Of course! Gazprom does not deny this and is ready to pump gas through the outskirts after 2019. Here's the question: How much ??? 5-10bn cubic meters? By the end of 2019, 2 threads of the Turkish Stream will be completed, I am sure that they will complete JV 2.

[Iskander-Khan]

why such confidence ..

[Vadim237]

Germany will not supply anything, since after the commissioning of Nord Stream 2, the Ukrainian gas transportation system will be cut off and dismantled on our territory.

[iggrimnir]

Why do all the "Ukrainians" believe that everyone lies down and wakes up with one thought - "What about it, in Ukraine?" "What have I done today for Ukraine?" It REALLY coached some sort of political character from Svidomo in Europe. Klimkin, or maybe not him ... but who will analyze them there.
Not about that. Nobody will put any conditions on anyone, believe me. No one will contain poisonous sprays. Neither the West nor the Russian Federation. There are a lot of normal people in Ukraine, it’s sincerely sorry that everything turned out that way, but we didn’t start. All thanks to my suppliers of Javelins. They will be delivered to you if you begin to apply them, only in this way. By the way. So after the first use of the Javelins, all hopes for a freebie should be completely forgotten. After the first shell in the Donbass it was already necessary to forget, everyone calves. But yes, geopolitics is like that. Business and nothing personal.

[Evgeny Shipovsky]

Russia is the kindest country - and of course - it will supply gas to you. Only you are wispy - Our president did not say a single word badly about Ukraine. And you have 24 hours a day - Russia is an aggressor. Do you want us to be aggressors? You will get it. I feel sorry for you (Donskoy Vasily Ivanovich) and you are lying here - because the Don Cossack is me and I live in the Don!

[Don]

Did not try to be treated?

[Okolotochny]

Vlad, vague doubts torment me that they will throw us. We play on their field and according to their rules. I already said that in such a situation it’s better to act like Ostap Bender, by a single hair dryer and start playing with a clean face and according to your own rules.

[Don]

Quote: Okolotochny

I am tormented by vague doubts that they will throw us. We play on their field and according to their rules.

It seems that someone began to suspect that they were “dancing” him, and yet not alone.

[Okolotochny]

Usually a girl is dancing, are you silent? You made a mistake by the topic, this is not about the elections.

[businessv]

Quote: vlad66

price for crests $ 1 per 1 cube

it's stuffing, friends! Gas is taken from the Ukrainian pipe at the price of the country's hub (in Germany, for example, $ 275) with which they agreed on the selection + the declared profit of the country as a “supplier”, which cannot be large because mattresses will press. Those. the scheme for Ukraine is familiar, except that you have to pay for the selected gas - Europe, however.

[Okolotochny]

Are you outraged about the election? In each article, you are for the elections and the slogan "Grudinin is our candidate." Sleeping? Awoke?

[Evgeny Shipovsky]

What did not understand? Grudinin the second Poroshenko! He initially had no chance!

[Astronaut]

He initially had no chance!

Let me ask who did you have?

[Non liberoid Russian]

to dismissals

[BecmepH]

Quote: Svarog

What is it for?

To the election. Chairs under the ass were smoking

[Kent0001]

It may already be overclocked at last already.

[Pravdorud]

The descendants of the killers and prostitutes said that if the turnout is less than 45% they will not recognize the election. Well, on them!

[businessv]

Quote: Pravdorud

The descendants of the killers and prostitutes said that if the turnout is less than 45% they will not recognize the election. Well, on them!

You need to express yourself more clearly, who do you mean ?! At VO you need to be more specific so as not to run into an undeserved answer!

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: 210ox

I did not see in the article that Russia refused to negotiate.

Trilateral negotiations are not planned, because all legal proceedings are based on contracts and relations between commercial organizations, that is, between Gazprom and Naftogaz

if they don’t give a damn to business, they should take gas somewhere, well, not gay friends, but this will be purely a business and no politics, let alone gaskets

[Berkut24]

I did not see in the article that Russia refused to negotiate .. They are not planned, but this does not mean that they are impossible. I think that it will begin by autumn .. We are on the eve of a grandiose schukher.

Negotiations will be, but only with the EU. If I understand the situation correctly, then Gazprom is doing its utmost to get rid of the transit contract in order for European companies to conclude this contract instead of Gazprom. That is, Russia will deliver gas on the border of Russia and Ukraine, transferring all risks to buyers. And how will the EU agree with Ukraine and what tariffs will be there until the appearance of SP-2, Miller will no longer have a headache. Ukrainians will not steal gas from us.

[alexmach]

If I understand the situation correctly, then Gazprom is doing its utmost to get rid of the transit contract in order for European companies to conclude this contract instead of Gazprom. That is, Russia will deliver gas on the border of Russia and Ukraine, transferring all risks to buyers.

You understand everything is extremely wrong. To give gas at the border and transfer risks to buyers, or to some kind of intermediate link - there is no need to fight much for this. Europeans offered this option even in 2009, and in my opinion at 14 again. Here the whole thing is that, along with shifting risks to someone out there, a part of the added value is automatically transferred to him.

[Berkut24]

Here the whole thing is that, along with shifting risks to someone out there, a part of the added value is automatically transferred to him.

It does not shift value added, but the cost of gas transit. For the added value cannot be formed in the Ukrainian pipe. nor can LNG value added be formed in the hold of a gas tanker.

Europeans offered this option even in 2009, and in my opinion at 14 again.

Europeans, like Ukraine, then proposed this because of the notorious uncontrolled "reverse", when it seemed to be taken into account in the price of transportation, but in fact it was not in fact. And now Gazprom does not care about this reverse, because he decided not to sell anything to Ukraine.
In addition, the transfer of ownership on our border will mean the impossibility of its "arrest" by Ukraine. A lot has changed since 2009.

To give gas at the border and transfer risks to buyers, or to some kind of intermediate link - there is no need to fight much for this.

Oh, let's hear what European customers are starting to broadcast (or scream).

[alexmach]

It is not the value added that is being transferred, but the cost of gas transit

These are all wet dreams. It will not be so simply because it cannot be. For about the same reason that an abandoned stone falls down and not up. This is just an objective law of economic reality. The product is most expensive at the end customer, the closer you are to the customer, the higher the price, the further - the lower it is. Solvent consumers of gas sit in Europe. There is also a gas market and a market price. If Gazprom loses or partially loses access to this market, then it will not be able to sell at the market price. There will never be any market on the border of Ukraine and Russia, there will be a maximum of one seller and one buyer, some hypothetical EuroTransGas, this buyer will have a monopoly position with respect to Gazprom (unless of course there is any puppet of his) will use this position. Want an example on this topic? Yes, please. Turkmenistan. He supplied gas to the same Europe, but not directly, but with the help of Gazprom, which once monopoly, using its position, bought it from him. Do you think he bought it at "European prices minus transit", yeah now. He bought it at a good discount.

It is for this that Gazprom and the Europeans have been fighting for many years. The gas wars and the Streams and Energy Pacts are about this. Why do you think building these SP-1 and SP-2 is a huge investment, if you could just sell at the European price minus transit on the border with Ukraine? Solely to annoy Nenka or something? Gazprom is fighting for access directly to the consumer. Europe is struggling to put its gaskets into the chain of intermediaries. At least somewhere, but better away from the market and closer to the well, at least half the volume of "flows". And, accordingly, to pull on a part of the added value and profits of Gazprom.

In addition, the transfer of ownership on our border will mean the impossibility of its "arrest" by Ukraine.

Yes, tarnzit problems, of course, decrease.

Oh, let's hear what European customers are starting to broadcast (or scream).

In general, let’s wait and see.

[Berkut24]

Have fun. Especially with Turkmenistan. So, just in case, Gazprom took money from the Turkmen for transit, but at the same time gas went to our southern regions. And he gave the Turkmen volumes to Europe from completely different deposits and from another pipe. The fact that at that moment the Turkmens simply had nowhere else to give gas because of the unreadiness of others, except for gas pipelines to Russia, and they were ready to give at a low price - this is a separate issue.

[alexmach]

Gazprom took money from the Turkmen for transit, but at the same time gas went to our southern regions

Come on. Here you have already begun to amuse. Has Turkmenistan paid you for gas transit to your southern regions? I mean, you let him sell gas to your market? This I will never believe. The fact that they bought it for their southern regions is realistic, but the fact that they allowed him to sell gas on the domestic Russian market will never be believed.

The fact that at that moment the Turkmens simply had nowhere else to give gas due to the unavailability of others, except for gas pipelines to Russia, and they were ready to give at a low price, is a separate issue.

Ok .. Well, how does this situation fundamentally differ from the sale of gas on the Ukrainian-Russian border? You, too, will have nowhere to put this gas there, except to sell it to that intermediary ... Do you see an analogy?

[Berkut24]

Has Turkmenistan paid you for gas transit to your southern regions? I mean, you let him sell gas to your market?

Quietly, do not lose consciousness. No one climbed into our market. Follow the hands of the fakir: the Turkmen gave Gazprom a certain VOLUME for its transit to the European buyer. Further, it is no longer the Turkmen business how this volume of gas will reach the buyer. I emphasize - the volume of gas, and not this gas itself. Gazprom really didn’t pump anything to Europe. He sold this gas in the regions closest to Turkmenistan. And the gas closest to the EU border in the VOLUME transferred by the Turkmens was transferred to the Turkmen customers.

Well, and how is this situation fundamentally different from gas sales on the Ukrainian-Russian border? You, too, will have nowhere to put this gas there, except to sell to that intermediary ...

So, again focused. There are no intermediaries. There is a seller - Gazprom, there is a buyer - a European company, and transit - Naftogaz. Gazprom sells gas to a European buyer of gas delivered to the Russia-Ukraine border. After receiving this gas, the European consumer needs to overtake the delivered volume to its terminal. And for this he must conclude an agreement with Naftogaz on gas transit to the final recipient. Those. in principle, nothing has changed for the price. Gazprom price decreased by the cost of Naftogaz services. Now this cost of Naftogaz services should be paid by a European company to Ukraine. Those. Gazprom, as before, receives its price, Naftogaz receives its money for transit, and there are no changes for the direct buyer at the final cost.
It’s hard for you there in Estonia. But you hold on!

[alexmach]

Turkmen gave Gazprom a certain VOLUME for its transit to a European buyer

Ok .. this is realistic, my latest data on your cooperation with Turkmenistan is already 10 years ago, then Gazprom bought gas at a big discount. In 2009, I could not redeem and apparently somehow agreed on transit.

Those. in principle, nothing has changed for the price. Gazprom price decreased by the cost of Naftogaz services.

OK understood. The circuit is excellent. Now explain one simple thing to me: why should flows be built at all in such a situation? Well, they would sell on the Ukrainian border for a European price and would be satisfied. Why then do you think so much money is invested in the construction of a "miracle at the bottom of the sea"? Why transit it along a more technologically expensive route? just to annoy Ukraine?

Gazprom, as before, receives its price, Naftogaz receives its money for transit, and there are no changes for the direct buyer at the final cost.

It will not be so, I assure you. If there will be a very short time. There will be no gas at the Ukrainian border “like in Europe minus transit”.

It’s hard for you there in Estonia

But for you everything is simple, very simple, lie on your stove and everything will form by itself.

[Berkut24]

We continue the lecture.

Now explain one simple thing to me: why should flows be built at all in such a situation? Well, they would sell on the Ukrainian border for a European price and would be satisfied.

Then, that Gazprom will pay for gas transit to itself. This is not only 1,5 times cheaper, but also much safer - political risks and the risks of traditional theft are excluded and, in addition, you do not need to coordinate pumping schedules with anyone and draw up a bunch of documents.

There will be no gas at the border of Ukraine "as in Europe minus transit"

Justify. Why in this case Europe will not be able to use the basic principles of the gas market.
By the way, today my theory began to be confirmed. Not even a day has passed. The EU began negotiations with Gazprom. Without Ukraine.

But for you everything is simple, very simple, lie on your stove and everything will form by itself.

Russia is a country where it is always not easy. Therefore, in our country men remain men and women remain women. You, like the so-called Ukrainians, have the wrong impression that in Russia, in the middle of Siberia, a free fountain beats into the sky, which they sell left and right. In fact, this is the hardest work at minus 40 in the winter and hordes of congealed midges in the summer. Hundreds of kilometers from the nearest village. In the midst of swamps and permafrost. Gigantic expenses for exploration of new deposits, because old ones are already running out. Hundreds of thousands of pieces of equipment, construction of pipeline systems, equipment for river and swamp crossings, aviation units. Equipment for pumping stations, associated gas filtration, transit processing plants, new compressor stations ... Work in shifts for six months, and someone doesn’t get off the rigs for a year.
This is hellish labor in inhuman conditions. But all this works without interruption. But it seems to you that Miller lies on the furnace and turns the valve of gas and oil.
And specifically with regard to Estonia, the “gravity” of the situation consists in closing one’s consciousness within the framework of its small Baltic world and not understanding those global processes around you. Sometimes you don’t need to listen to the media, you just need to go online and just study the issue and technology. And there, sometimes, an understanding of real processes comes to mind and conclusions come by themselves.

[businessv]

Quote: alexmach

Here the whole thing is that, along with shifting risks to someone out there, a part of the added value is automatically transferred to him.

So what? Why is this thing so catching on you ?! This is exactly what A. Medvedev said about deliveries to the border with Ukraine. And the added value is valid right up to the border with Ukraine, then the product is considered to have gone beyond the borders of the country and its reimbursement begins, of added value!

[alexmach]

And the added value is valid right up to the border with Ukraine, then the product is considered to have gone beyond the borders of the country and its reimbursement begins, of added value!

Have you even understood what you wrote? I’m unable to understand the meaning of the quoted.


Once again I bring my very simple thought. Gas on the Russian-Ukrainian border will be cheaper. I repeat once again. Cheaper. Significantly cheaper, not just the cost of transit than it costs in Europe. Gazprom’s profit will be Less, a part of this profit will be taken by those who will buy gas from it at the border. Further, to argue about the obvious, there is simply no strength, well, agree - well, okay. Wait and see.

[AIR]

No. Ours will not subscribe to this. Ukrainians constantly tried to push precisely this scheme. That is, they take gas on our border, and they sell geyropes at their own prices ... And as we know, they have a lot of Wishlist! Therefore, in order not to screw up gas supplies to Europe at all, the Russian Federation will never agree to such an offer. Russia is faithful to its promises and signed contracts. There is no hope for the brothers, due to the lack of reason in most of the population. So gas will be sold only on the border with Europe. That’s why we are driving pipes by sea, because it reliably cuts off freeloaders during transit. Very huge costs are present. Therefore, they do not raise our pension. Because it is this industry that practically contains military expenses, including for pensioners of the Russian Federation .... Believe me.

[antivirus]

I think that by autumn will begin

-Many times wrote - by the summer of 18g everything will be determined, everyone considers the prospects for 3-5 years ahead.
I WOULD LIKE - AND EVEN RUSSIA SHOULD !!!! - FOR 5-10 YEARS, THE PERSPECTIVE TO IDENTIFY AND REFUSE THE BEST OPTION FOR EARNING A BABLE (which will be offered by the EU) AND LIVE IN ITS GOOD, SATISFACTIONALLY (good)
check the independence of the country, government, ruling the class.

"... And our verbal maximalism will check the time, check the life ..."

[Vlad.by]

Negotiations will begin only after the annulment of the arbitration results. Then there will be a reason - there will be a return to the previous terms of the contract, which again does not suit either Gazprom or Naftu. Gazprom does not like the high price of transit, and Naftu does not like it. There may be negotiations. Which Gazprom will successfully tighten before the contract expires.
Like it or not, Ukraine now has a wedge everywhere.

[Ascetic]

Quote: 210ox

We are on the eve of a grand schucher. As Popandopulo said ..

[vasya.pupkin]

Ascetic: thanks for the video, I showed it to my wife-hohlushka, she really liked it. And on time, by March 8th.

[businessv]

Quote: Ascetic

Quote: 210ox

We are on the eve of a grand schucher. As Popandopulo said ..

Thank! Video - fire !!! I take off my hat to the participants, bravo !!!

[Cynic]

Quote: 210ox

Russia refused to negotiate

One of the rules of diplomacy, never say never, this is first.
Вand secondly, negotiations are likely to occur when the difference between the volumes of gas injected into urkain and that received by the EU exceeds all reasonable limits ...

[vkfriendly]

Negotiations will not only be between countries, which Ukrainians insist on. They told you that this is the business of Gazprom and Naftogaz and no one else. No politics. Therefore, Russia refused to negotiate!

[Evgeny Shipovsky]

Your brother is fooling you - and you, like a blockhead. Who do you believe? Do you want me to show you from my DVR in a day - how many of your cars do we have in Russia? So who is the enemy to whom? This is how much the Americans had to pay money ($ 5 billion) to scold us? I have relatives from the Lugansk region (from my father) from my mother from St. Petersburg (blockade). What are you doing?

[vkfriendly]

They explained to you that there can be no policy due to gas supplies, that is what Ukrainians are seeking. Gazprom and Naftogaz have problems; they will be solved only by them.

[zivXP]

Purely classic

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I hope that "our gas workers" will not backtrack ... Soon the summer, the land of Ukraine will dry up! Big things will start ..

"I’ve been taking Kiev for 4 years already" .. hehe heh And yet, this will happen men, I smell genes ..
Don't kick me hard please! I’m so stubborn in this direction ...

[Andrey K]

Quote: MIKHAN

... Don't kick me hard, please! I can smell it with genes ...

Mikhan !!!
Take care of the gene, it’s still useful to us

[Piramidon]

Quote: Andrey K

Take care of gena

Zyuganov, or what?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Andrey K

Take care of gena

Zyuganov, or what?

Grudinin, he means ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: MIKHAN

Grudinin, he means ..

Duc, that kind of Pasha.

[Okolotochny]

Colleague, Andrei and I plus you !!!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: MIKHAN

... Don't kick me hard, please! I can smell it with genes ...

Mikhan !!!
Take care of the gene, it’s still useful to us

I’m trying ... You're lying, you won’t take our Russian “genka”!

There is gunpowder in the powder flask ..)))

[Andrey K]

Quote: MIKHAN

... There is gunpowder in the powder flask ..))) ...

[210ox]

Vitaly, we understand that you are very stubborn. That would be our tenacity for gas workers (after all, power). Yes, and the Kremlin too ..

Quote: MIKHAN

I hope that "our gas workers" will not backtrack ... Soon the summer, the land of Ukraine will dry up! Big things will start ..

"I’ve been taking Kiev for 4 years already" .. hehe heh And yet, this will happen men, I smell genes ..
Don't kick me hard please! I’m so stubborn in this direction ...

[sabakina]

Quote: MIKHAN

"I’ve been taking Kiev for 4 years already" .. hehe heh And yet, this will happen men, I smell genes ..
Don't kick me hard please! I’m so stubborn in this direction ...

Four years a mother without a son,
Take your greatcoat, let's go home.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: MIKHAN

"I’ve been taking Kiev for 4 years already" .. hehe heh And yet, this will happen men, I smell genes ..
Don't kick me hard please! I’m so stubborn in this direction ...

Four years a mother without a son,
Take your greatcoat, let's go home.

Sobakin, something you have become so sarcastic .. "comrades" clearly read? In general, they’re not joking with this, seriously ... I hope you understand what I mean.?

[Andrey K]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

... gaskets are not needed, enough ...

There are not so much gaskets as an unobtrusive desire to throw the stealing, shabby woman-holder on the shoulders of Gazprom.
Used, and denyuzhkov clamped for the "sleigh". Fart organized with the fault of Gazprom.
Now, a lawsuit will be rolled out for the rusty pipe of the gas transportation system in / on Ukraine.
It turns out that there was no money for modernization because the financial situation in the country is 404 deplorable — which Russia and Gazprom, in particular, are to blame for.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Andrey K

There are not so much gaskets as an unobtrusive desire to throw the stealing, shabby woman-holder on the shoulders of Gazprom.

so the court’s decision was based on this - the difficult economic situation is independent, and give money

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

no gaskets enough

No offense.
And what about the fact that the private owners of Gazprom and premium executives will suffer? Glad for our Russian private business? After all, as the notorious Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev used to say, we no longer have state-owned enterprises, we have public-private partnerships. So "Gazprom as a national treasure" has long ended, even stopped advertising)

[210ox]

I will answer. In the words of the customs officer Vereshchagin from the "White Sun of the Desert" "...... I’m sorry for the state"

Quote: Sovetskiy

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

no gaskets enough

No offense.
And what about the fact that the private owners of Gazprom and premium executives will suffer? Glad for our Russian private business? After all, as the notorious Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev used to say, we no longer have state-owned enterprises, we have public-private partnerships. So "Gazprom as a national treasure" has long ended, even stopped advertising)

[Sotskiy]

Quote: 210ox

It's a shame for my power. "

Article 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:

paragraph 2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

in contrast):
Constitution of the USSR (Brezhnev 1977):
Article 11.

The exclusive property of the state are: land,
its bowels, water, forests. The state owns fixed assets
production in industry, construction and rural
economy, means of transport and communication, banks, property
state-organized trade, utilities and other
enterprises, the main urban housing fund, as well as other
property necessary for the implementation of state tasks.

Me too....

[vlad66]

Quote: Sovetskiy

No offense.

Also no offense.

Quote: Sovetskiy

to you the fact that the private owners of Gazprom and premium senior management will suffer

Maybe then the taxes that Gazprom pays to the state treasury are not needed. no well why

Quote: Sovetskiy

So Gazprom as a National Treasure has long ended, yes

[Sotskiy]

Quote: vlad66

Maybe then the taxes that Gazprom pays to the state treasury are not needed.

Taxes will not suffer if the "effective managers" in the manual reduce bonuses and "parachutes" as an expense item for the company)

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sovetskiy

And to you that from the fact that private owners

A private tax is no longer paid to the state?

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Sovetskiy

And what about the fact that the private owners of Gazprom and premium executives will suffer?

here you are mistaken - these payments will not be affected in any way, everything will go to losses and reduce taxes, and banderlogs will celebrate

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

here you are mistaken - these payments will not be affected in any way, everything will go to losses and reduce taxes

Well, these are the costs of PPP and our law).

[Svarog]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

no gaskets enough

No offense.
And what about the fact that the private owners of Gazprom and premium executives will suffer? Glad for our Russian private business? After all, as the notorious Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev used to say, we no longer have state-owned enterprises, we have public-private partnerships. So "Gazprom as a national treasure" has long ended, even stopped advertising)

Yes, the point here is not in Gazprom, but in the fact that it is time for the comrades from Ukraine to instill an understanding of who feeds them .. otherwise they have taken root in the pan-cookers that they fed the USSR .. and trouble came to them from such thoughts .. they need to be saved ..

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Svarog

Yes, the point here is not in Gazprom, but in the fact that it is time for the comrades from Ukraine to instill an understanding of who feeds them .. otherwise they have rooted in the pan-cookers that they fed the USSR .. and trouble came to them from such thoughts ..

But what about the search for "understanding" among Ukrainian "partners" in the form of discounts, all kinds of compromises, starting in 2014 with a simultaneous "empathy" about the Ukrainian "people" that froze after the Maidan? What, is it no longer a pity for the Ukrainian "people"?)

[Svarog]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Quote: Svarog

Yes, the point here is not in Gazprom, but in the fact that it is time for the comrades from Ukraine to instill an understanding of who feeds them .. otherwise they have rooted in the pan-cookers that they fed the USSR .. and trouble came to them from such thoughts ..

But what about the search for "understanding" among Ukrainian "partners" in the form of discounts, all kinds of compromises, starting in 2014 with a simultaneous "empathy" about the Ukrainian "people" that froze after the Maidan? What, is it no longer a pity for the Ukrainian "people"?)

Yes, of course it’s a pity .. everyone is sorry .. but it’s necessary .. then the trouble ..

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Svarog

Yes, of course it’s a pity .. everyone is sorry .. but it’s necessary .. then the trouble ..

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Svarog

and trouble came to them from such thoughts .. must be saved ..

and you listen to them, so she didn’t leave them

[businessv]

Quote: Sovetskiy

And what about the fact that the private owners of Gazprom and premium executives will suffer? Glad for our Russian private business?

Friends, it’s not very difficult to look into the Gazprom Charter, which says in black and white:
“Features of the legal status of the Company as a Company created during the privatization of a state-owned enterprise and more than 25 percent of its shares are state-owned, are determined by the federal law on the privatization of state and municipal enterprises.” Find out, then argue, dear!

[Sotskiy]

Quote: businessv

"Features of the legal status of the Company as a Company that was created during the privatization of a state-owned enterprise and more than 25 percent of the shares of which are state-owned, are determined by the federal law on the privatization of state and municipal enterprises.

And I think, where else but in state-owned enterprises pay such millionth "salaries" and "premium" with "dividends" to managers!))) It turns out this is called the "features" of the current federal laws?))).

[Tatyana]

The laying in the form of pro-American bias of the arbitration court itself in Stockholm in favor of Ukraine, the USA and the EU countries already exists and Russia, in principle, can’t get anywhere.

Therefore, Russia needs to put in place the Arbitration itself, which has applied double standards to the Russian Federation. The court illegally rewrote the old contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz on its own behalf and wrote a new contract for them. It’s the same as the Americans wrote and forced Russia to accept the colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation.

So the arbitration court itself outlawed itself by its decision to interfere in the internal affairs of the two companies of the two countries in the interests of third parties. For DUAL standards in the engagement of the arbitration court in Stockholm for exceeding its authority is evident.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

no gaskets enough

In w .. ukropiya, in w .. carlson. Damn, it’s not easier for the Swedes to fill their faces, huh? There is experience.

[E_V_N]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

no gaskets enough

It is difficult to understand in general the global meaning of gas sales to EU countries on the western border of Ukraine. In 2009, the deaf-deaf-mute schizophrenic did not understand (when the current contract was concluded) that nothing good would come of then Ukraine, the contract would not be fulfilled, discounts would constantly be sworn, there would be blackmail to deploy the fleet in Sevastopol.
In fact, there was only one sense: to shift the problems and costs of transit to Russian Gazprom, and get the main profit in subsidiaries, marketing companies of Gazprom under the jurisdictions of European countries, where the profit should settle.

[ver_]

... two in a fight - the third in ... a completely different place ..

[newcomer]

correctly! “They didn’t listen to us, listen now.” Finish the circus with gas, along the way the Ukraine project.

[Baloo]

Quote: newbie

correctly! “They didn’t listen to us, listen now.” Finish the circus with gas, along the way the Ukraine project.

As I understand it, the issue will be decided in court, and this is a lengthy procedure. There, the contract will end.
The Russian government refused to participate in a dispute between private entities and this is the right step.

[newcomer]

Yes. there will be no gas in the pipe either (no longer).

[210ox]

Why not? Gas is supplied by reverse.

Quote: newbie

Yes. there will be no gas in the pipe either (no longer).

[newcomer]

so of course yes. it is not provided in the volume of pumping. they take it exclusively from the volume purchased by the geyropa.

[sabakina]

210quot, after 19, this will not be reverse, but a workaround, according to SP-2. Going by origin, the same, Moscow.

[Don]

Quote: sabakina

210quot, after 19, this will not be reverse, but a workaround, according to SP-2. Going by origin, the same, Moscow.

Dreams, dreams .. As much as we would not like, but I can bet on a box of cognac that Russia will easily get their hands out and after the 19 year pumping through Ukraine will remain, albeit to a lesser extent

[ver_]

... well, if they sell us a * pipe * - then yes, otherwise * hell * - big and dirty ..

[Kurare]

Quote: Balu

As I understand it, the issue will be decided in court, and this is a lengthy procedure. There, the contract will end.

There is an interesting point here, while the fate of the contract is being decided in court, its implementation by both parties is also suspended.
On the other hand, if the party that has begun the process of termination of the contract loses, it pays the penalty and costs associated with the trial.

[Baloo]

Quote: Kurare

There’s an interesting point

I'm just about that. I hope that Gazprom has calculated everything and this is not at our expense.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Balu

I hope that Gazprom has calculated everything

It’s hard to figure out anything with such politicized courts.

[Kurare]

Quote: Balu

I hope that Gazprom has calculated everything and this is not at our expense.

Yes, I understand, just a little clarified!

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Balu

I hope that Gazprom has calculated everything and this is not at our expense.

most likely yes, because there is a case-law, it’s cheaper to deliver a product than its production is not possible, and as I understand it, everything goes to this

[newcomer]

you can be sure that Gazprom has long figured out the pros / cons, otherwise he would not have terminated the contract for less than two years before its validity. firstly, Gazprom has an iron position to appeal to a recent verdict (the reason for recovering from Gazprom ... a sharp deterioration in the ec of Ukraine), secondly, it has already been calculated, even forfeits, if we are “lost”, we will more than take away the same joint venture, therefore, the geyropets, realizing this, will not agree to “lose us”. Yes, and we return to the first paragraph, the appeal will be submitted to the Supreme Court of Sweden, and here already, the prestige of the state will be seen from the court decision. Swedes have something to think about. Yes, and on the nose the opening of the pipe to China, with all this sauce you have to think the Swedish judges, both the arbitration and the state. court.

[ver_]

... it’s a matter of fact - there are so many crochet hooks of all stripes and nationalities involved (and they have 7 Fridays a week and each lawyer has two opinions on the same issue .. and the longer the review takes place, the more they will get * grandmas *. ., the Jews know their business well- on * a curve mare * you will not go around ..

[Tersky]

Quote: newbie

“Didn't listen to us, listen now.”

It's a bit old to listen, it's time to collect what they sowed. At the end of 2019, Gazprom will start supplying gas to China, in any case, A..Miller recently confirmed it. So, in the near future, Euro-Ukrainians can enjoy plenty of “cheap” LNG from America together with gay people.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Tersky

if you wish, you can enjoy the “cheap” LNG from America with the gay people.

maybe it will be so - China will stop taking it, but it’s necessary to put it somewhere, that’s

[flicker]

. So, in the near future, Euro-Ukrainians can enjoy plenty of “cheap” LNG from America together with gay people.

Moreover, they are already buying coal.

[Chichikov]

If you know that a sharpie is playing with you, if they know that a sharpie is playing with you, if a sharpie knows that everyone knows that he is a sharpie ... - then you need to make him bet everything and win!

[newcomer]

so “they are” schullers fathers mentors of the playing schuller. here it is simpler: a stump on a kumpal. (Well, in general, the noble formula was drawn).

[Kot_Kuzya]

It is useless to sue them. When a gentleman begins to lose, the gentleman changes the rules. Therefore, it is correct that Gazprom did not engage the EU in these matters. What the hell are the EU related to the Ukrainian-Russian contract?

[Don]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

It is useless to sue them. When a gentleman begins to lose, the gentleman changes the rules. Therefore, it is correct that Gazprom did not engage the EU in these matters. What the hell are the EU related to the Ukrainian-Russian contract?

Funny you peasant children

[Kot_Kuzya]

Well, continue to believe in the elves of the West, you are our tenth generation Muscovite

[andrson]

Gazprom is the property of the government.

[210ox]

Quite the contrary. This government is the property of Gazprom ..

Quote: Andrson

Gazprom is the property of the government.

[Vadim237]

Gazprom is the property of our budget and shareholders.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Ukraine favored negotiations, while the EU expressed readiness to mediate

And on what intermediaries? It seems that Ukraine can’t even go to the toilet on its own .....

[The Siberian barber]

Duc, it can not!))
Ah, I want ...)))

[Tatyana]

CAT BAIYUN
And on what intermediaries? It seems that Ukraine can’t even go to the toilet on its own .....

Quote: Siberian barber

Duc, it can not!))
Ah, I want ...)))

Ha! This is already called "constipation" in medicine! This is when the priests are pushing for a break, but the “it” still does not come out! And you have to put an enema in the ass!

[CAT BAIYUN]

Of course, I wildly apologize, but there are a lot of "constipation" in the profile section as diagnoses ... alimentary, atonic, inflammatory, hyperkinetic and hypermotor, hypodynamic and dyskinetic, false .... And this still not all the joys of life .. Not everyone is treated with an enema - believe me. And if we talk about Ukrainian diarrhea as a social phenomenon associated with an allegorical and phonosemantic perception of reality, then this is most likely false diarrhea, that is, systematic insufficient bowel movement due to impaired mental activity with fixation of attention on the act of defecation, quantity and appearance bowel movements .. Well, something else to add to complete the picture ...
I had more in mind the country's inability to act independently ... And what exactly do they have there ... Yes, shooting a "filly" is easier than curing ..
I'm sorry that I was smart ... Well, I could not resist ...

[Cutter]

I'm sorry that I was smart ... Well, I could not resist ... feel

You can immediately see a professional doctor! Hi dear!
So now we will know if it becomes necessary to make a competent medical diagnosis for the state of Ukraine, this is for you, Vasily!
I think the necessary "procedures" and medication will also be prescribed!

[CAT BAIYUN]

Evening, Sasha
I’m more likely a healer ... And about the diagnoses ... There he is only one - the maidan of the brain .. Only dacapitation will save ... Well, in the sense of a guillotine or an ax ... In general, what is at hand ...
Well, or according to Vysotsky "... and I would put them to the wall through one
and would send a laden dump truck to them .... "

[dauria]

.. alimentary, atonic, inflammatory, hyperkinetic and hypermotor, hypodynamic and dyskinetic, false

Well, you fucking give! Not a single familiar word ...
Who whined that Maxwell’s equations at the interface are too complicated? Take off your hat to the doctors!

[gsev]

In my opinion, the situation is such that Russia and Ukraine need more independence from each other. Russia will be left without a Ukrainian pipe, Ukraine without gas. Business is not possible when there is enmity between states.

[shuravi]

However, negotiations with the EU make sense.
If only because Ukraine, although associative, is an EU member, then all accounting for gas supplied to the EU should be on the Russian-Ukrainian border, and not on the Ukrainian-Slovak one.
And there they want.

[boomerang.]

This is what I met in Google, which was very surprising. Ukraine sells its gas .... It turns out that Ukraine has a lot of gas. Wow! Or is this another lie?

In 1951, the gas pipeline stretched to Moscow, and Lviv gas flowed into the capital of the Soviet Union through a pipe 1530 km long. In the 1950s and 1960s, gas pipelines were built from Dashava to Minsk, Vilnius (with a branch to Klaipeda) and Riga. Residents of these cities did not even realize that they were preparing food and basking in Galician gas. In 1945, 75 million cubic meters of gas were exported to Poland through Drozdovichi. Now the village is equipped with a modern gas transmission point and gas measuring station, which is mainly used for transit of blue fuel for Polish consumers.
The Opary-Sambir-Przemysl-Stalev Volya gas pipeline was the first step in the development of Ukrainian gas supplies outside the republic. During the 1950s-1970s, gas from the fields of Western Ukraine, which at that time was one of the largest gas producing regions in Europe, was supplied not only to the cities and villages of Ukraine and Poland. Since 1951, Ukrainian gas was supplied to Russia through the constructed gas pipelines, and from 1960 to Belarus. Since 1961, Ukrainian gas began to be supplied to Lithuania, from 1962 to Latvia, and from 1966 to Moldova. Since 1967, through the Brotherhood gas pipeline, Ukrainian gas went to Czechoslovakia and Austria, a little later - through Romania to Bulgaria, and since 1975 to Hungary .......... In 1975, all of Ukraine produced a peak result gas production - 68,7 billion cubic meters of gas. In the future, Ukrainian gas production fell steadily - to the current situation, when an independent Ukraine was forced to buy gas from the same Moscow at one of the highest prices in Europe. According to the most conservative estimates, about 500 billion cubic meters of gas were pumped out only from the Carpathian fields and only by the Russian Federation and the socialist countries .......... http://vz.ua/news/24380-lvovskii_gaz_dlya_moskvic
Hey

[Baloo]

Quote: bumerang.

This is what I met in Google, which was very surprising. Ukraine sells its gas .... It turns out that Ukraine has a lot of gas.

Everything has its beginning and its end. In Russia, still not the whole territory is gasified.
If Ukraine had enough of its gas, they would not have squealed. There was infa that the Amerza refused to develop oil shale in the Carpathians, the Lviv region and in eastern Europe near Ukraine. While the Yuzovskoye field is considered promising, why is Biden interested in such a battle in the Donbass?

[Astoria]

It’s hard to say what Biden is interested in, but, but there is a theory that domestic prices rise to the level of the cost of oil shale + some margin.

[210ox]

There are gas fields there. I will not say how much. They have enough for a communal apartment. For industry.

Quote: bumerang.

This is what I met in Google, which was very surprising. Ukraine sells its gas .... It turns out that Ukraine has a lot of gas. Wow! Or is this another lie?

In 1951, the gas pipeline stretched to Moscow, and Lviv gas flowed into the capital of the Soviet Union through a pipe 1530 km long. In the 1950s and 1960s, gas pipelines were built from Dashava to Minsk, Vilnius (with a branch to Klaipeda) and Riga. Residents of these cities did not even realize that they were preparing food and basking in Galician gas. In 1945, 75 million cubic meters of gas were exported to Poland through Drozdovichi. Now the village is equipped with a modern gas transmission point and gas measuring station, which is mainly used for transit of blue fuel for Polish consumers.
The Opary-Sambir-Przemysl-Stalev Volya gas pipeline was the first step in the development of Ukrainian gas supplies outside the republic. During the 1950s-1970s, gas from the fields of Western Ukraine, which at that time was one of the largest gas producing regions in Europe, was supplied not only to the cities and villages of Ukraine and Poland. Since 1951, Ukrainian gas was supplied to Russia through the constructed gas pipelines, and from 1960 to Belarus. Since 1961, Ukrainian gas began to be supplied to Lithuania, from 1962 to Latvia, and from 1966 to Moldova. Since 1967, through the Brotherhood gas pipeline, Ukrainian gas went to Czechoslovakia and Austria, a little later - through Romania to Bulgaria, and since 1975 to Hungary .......... In 1975, all of Ukraine produced a peak result gas production - 68,7 billion cubic meters of gas. In the future, Ukrainian gas production fell steadily - to the current situation, when an independent Ukraine was forced to buy gas from the same Moscow at one of the highest prices in Europe. According to the most conservative estimates, about 500 billion cubic meters of gas were pumped out only from the Carpathian fields and only by the Russian Federation and the socialist countries .......... http://vz.ua/news/24380-lvovskii_gaz_dlya_moskvic
Hey

[Okolotochny]

Why be surprised? The Ukrainian prime minister said in Germany that Stalin had occupied both Ukraine and Germany. History is brazenly replaced by convenient fakes. This is taught to schoolchildren and students who will tell these fakes to their children.

[Astoria]

It all depends on consumption, during the time of Yushchenko and Yanukovych, Ukraine consumed about 40 billion cubic meters (about 15-17, the population), while they mined the same 15-17, after the economy has shrunk, consumption is about 20-22, I can be mistaken, but the production has not changed (about 15-17).

[Kerensky]

Thank. I read it, interesting. But if you climb deeper? It’s just that I don’t always have the opportunity to have a network to gut ....

[Herculesic]

For a long time it was necessary to show the character! And then everyone played the little spools, "partnered" with all sorts of gangbangers! !!

[Coconut]

finally ... did the huckster wake up? ..

[Star]

We do not need intermediaries who wish us harm (sanctions, militarization at our borders, etc.).

[PROM-SS]

Why are you people, then the script is brewing for an Oscar - the Americans will earn on this. Let's think about the name of the movie. I propose a theme like this - "brother for brother", or rather, GENERAS FOR GEYROPEYS

[Dormidont]

Life seems to be getting better

[prior]

It should reach the very liver, the most rotten European liver - the time when it was possible to tell Russia what to do was irrevocably gone. Now the Kremlin will decide who GAZ and who nifigas. Copperheads reached out about AHressor’s neighbor.

[Okolotochny]

Well, if so. But, IMHO, no sharp movements will be made towards Europe. They will try to rock its contradictions with America.

[mavrus]

Quote: Okolotochny

Are you outraged about the election? In each article, you are for the elections and the slogan "Grudinin is our candidate." Sleeping? Awoke?

I read the article, looked through all comments ... About Grudinin not a word ... Well, who is "sleeping" here?

[Okolotochny]

Now you are sleeping and trying to be clever. I did not write to you. Look to whom you wrote, read his comments in this and other articles. If you want to analyze, then turn on your head and look wider, and not just to be noted by “smart” comments. Other forum users understood everything, but you do not. Sorry.

[unignm]

our last time upset partners yyyy

[andrson]

It is a pity for people who die and suffer from mediocre officials.

[flicker]

because of which there was a threat of a gas shortage in Ukraine

There is already a shortage of coal, now there is a shortage of gas, there will be a shortage of tires ... you look and the oligarchs will be eliminated and there will be no corruption ... and there will be no state ... there will only be "glory to Ukraine."

[Baloo]

Quote: flicker

There is already a shortage of coal, now there is a shortage of gas, there will be a shortage of tires ... you look and the oligarchs will be eliminated and there will be no corruption ... and there will be no state ... there will only be "glory to Ukraine."

Or one big concentration camp, where small-town bandits will rule under the supervision of the USA godfather.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Quote: 210ox

It's a shame for my power. "

Article 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:

paragraph 2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

in contrast):
Constitution of the USSR (Brezhnev 1977):
Article 11.

The exclusive property of the state are: land,
its bowels, water, forests. The state owns fixed assets
production in industry, construction and rural
economy, means of transport and communication, banks, property
state-organized trade, utilities and other
enterprises, the main urban housing fund, as well as other
property necessary for the implementation of state tasks.

Me too....

You are right, there was no private property in the USSR. All land, water, and everything on it, including real estate, belonged to the state. I can’t understand why you are unhappy? The fact that now houses and apartments can be privately owned? Or do you naively believe that if you find oil on your land, you will get rich? Minerals belong to the state in any case. And in the article that you mentioned only land and some water bodies that may be privately owned. Even the forest fund cannot be owned by a private person, the maximum is woody-artisanal vegetation, if it is on your land, and there are nuances there. Read the Subsoil Law, Forest Code, Water Code, and at the same time commentary on the Constitution, and calm down a bit.

[Dead duck]

It is a decision of the Stockholm arbitration, which ordered Gazprom to pay Naftogaz 4,63 billion dollars for an undelivered amount of gas for transit. Given the amount awarded to Gazprom under the supply contract, the “fine” decreased to 2,56 billion dollars.

Are the Baltics next in line with a suit to reduce transit?

[colorado]

let them produce their own asshole gas

[mavrus]

Here recently, in VO, a comrade held a отк unscrew ’campaign ... A girl there questioned Kiev residents how much they agree to lower the temperature in their apartments so that, at Poroshenko’s call, побед to defeat Putin’. It is clear that you don’t often hear this “Poroshenko” in Kiev, you want to live ... but what struck the majority, they just try to “fly away”, thinking of excuses like: I have small children, I don’t have much, much lower. .. There are those who, in words only ... "I have 18 at home, but if I asked Poroshenko, I would" screw it on "to 16 ... And no one even thought, but Poroshenko what ..." alone "going to fight with Putin, where friends on the Maidan ... Where are all these Europeans brothers (I generally keep silent about the overseas), which Russia has been throat-throated. How all these Frenchmen are fighting with the Germans themselves with Putin ... How many degrees are they are going to lower the temperature ... but Merkel already called on her fellow citizens: “Take it !!!”? Or, sitting in the heat, they also look with envy at the Poles who are watching Ukrainian gas fighters, not even a trifold, but in a quadruple?

[Sergey D_2]

Gas of 1000 is success. Undoubtedly. My congratulations to Ukraine.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Sergey D_2

Gas of 1000 is success. Undoubtedly. My congratulations to Ukraine.

I think they will turn out again .. I know them! A big debt owed them a lot .. That’s the region that got it .. hehe

Nothing, for each bolt we find a tricky thread ...

[karish]

Quote: Sergey D_2

Gas of 1000 is success. Undoubtedly. My congratulations to Ukraine.

There is a high probability (I would say - well, very large), again according to the comments of people who understand more than I do, that the contract with Gazprom is valid until 10.10 2020 - then with a unilateral termination of the contract, this difference (about 700 bucks per 1000 cubic meters ) --- which Ukraine had to overpay due to an unexpected and one-sided shutdown of gas supply --- will be compensated by Gazprom (of course, after the arbitration decision)

[Sergey D_2]

Quote: karish

Quote: Sergey D_2

Gas of 1000 is success. Undoubtedly. My congratulations to Ukraine.

There is a high probability (I would say - well, very large), again according to the comments of people who understand more than I do, that the contract with Gazprom is valid until 10.10 2020 - then with a unilateral termination of the contract, this difference (about 700 bucks per 1000 cubic meters ) --- which Ukraine had to overpay due to an unexpected and one-sided shutdown of gas supply --- will be compensated by Gazprom (of course, after the arbitration decision)

I don’t think that fools are sitting in Gazprom and that lawyers were hired there by advertisement

[karish]

Quote: Sergey D_2

I don’t think that fools are sitting in Gazprom and that lawyers were hired there by advertisement

If everyone would be smart and right - then no one would lose the courts.

[Sergey D_2]

Quote: karish

Quote: Sergey D_2

I don’t think that fools are sitting in Gazprom and that lawyers were hired there by advertisement

If everyone would be smart and right - then no one would lose the courts.

Tueva, a bunch of analysts, was sucking a question before cutting a saber. Analitegi probably all the Jewish nation))))

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: karish

Ukraine had to overpay due to an unexpected and unilateral gas cut-off --- Gazprom will compensate (of course, after the arbitration decision)

My dear, who needs a loss-making business? Gazprom will then be bankrupt and liquidated. All the cons will hang on Gazprom. And all the advantages will get a new company. With a name, for example, Promgaz.

[kaban7]

It has long been necessary.

[APASUS]

It is generally very difficult to consider this dispute without even having a copy of the contract. On the one hand, Gazprom is setting the stage for a new contract on its own terms, and this is understandable. On the other hand, given the current realities of politics and attitudes towards Russians, anti-Russian hysteria will now begin and it is not known whether Gazprom will benefit. Indeed, it will be necessary to supply any through Ukraine; in Europe there are not enough gas pipeline capacities to supply the Mediterranean countries.

[Sergey D_2]

[quote = APASUS] Considering this dispute is generally very difficult without even a copy of the contract. On the one hand, Gazprom is setting the stage for a new contract on its own terms, and this is understandable. On the other hand, given the current realities of politics and attitudes towards Russians, anti-Russian hysteria will now begin and it is not known whether Gazprom will benefit. Indeed, for any supply through Ukraine will have to, in Europe there is not enough gas pipeline capacity to supply the Mediterranean countries. [/ Ququo
And in two years, the Americans will arrange the delivery of LNG to Europe. That’s the calculation.

[Vadim237]

"And in two years, the Americans will arrange for the delivery of LNG to Europe." - In a parallel universe, such gas from the United States will cost the same - at least 1000 bucks per cubic meter.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Vadim237

"And in two years, the Americans will arrange for the delivery of LNG to Europe." - In a parallel universe, such gas from the United States will cost the same - at least 1000 bucks per cubic meter.

Be afraid ...:



According to a European Commission report last fall, Lithuania bought LNG at the highest prices in the EU and paid $ 250 per thousand cubic meters for it.

[Vadim237]

"Lithuania bought LNG at the highest prices in the EU and paid $ 250 per thousand cubic meters for it." - Who is buying?

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergey D_2

And in two years, the Americans will arrange the delivery of LNG to Europe. That’s the calculation.

The problem is not that the Americans cannot supply LNG to Europe right now, the problem is the price. In the USA there are now two ready terminals for sending LNG, but at the price that this gas will cost, it can only be sold on the Asian market, there is a price level more.

[senima56]

I didn’t understand: there will be no transit through Ukraine ..... but at the same time we promise that it does not threaten a hundred deliveries to Europe! How so? After all, while Nord Stream -2 and Turkish Stream are not ready, the main volume of gas to Europe goes through Ukraine! And how will we supply Europe in the near future bypassing Ukraine?

[Sergey D_2]

Quote: senima56

I didn’t understand: there will be no transit through Ukraine ..... but at the same time we promise that it does not threaten a hundred deliveries to Europe! How so? After all, while Nord Stream -2 and Turkish Stream are not ready, the main volume of gas to Europe goes through Ukraine! And how will we supply Europe in the near future bypassing Ukraine?

We pumped, say, 1000 cubes and compared the digital at the input and output. If there was a selection, reduce transit by this amount))))

[aleks.29ru]

1 $ per 1m - fair price. Gazprom drives gas for a penny.

[nik13]

[quote = Sergey D_2] [quote = APASUS] Considering this dispute is generally very difficult without even a copy of the contract. On the one hand, Gazprom is setting the stage for a new contract on its own terms, and this is understandable. On the other hand, given the current realities of politics and attitudes towards Russians, anti-Russian hysteria will now begin and it is not known whether Gazprom will benefit. Indeed, for any supply through Ukraine will have to, in Europe there is not enough gas pipeline capacity to supply the Mediterranean countries. [/ Ququo
And in two years, the Americans will arrange the delivery of LNG to Europe. That’s the calculation. They dealt with how they preschool [/ quote]
After 19, there will be no transit through Ukraine at all (I hope), there will be deliveries via a joint venture (1,2) or LNG from Yamal, which European countries will fit into this scheme, they will be with gas, the rest will be envious of the first, and let Europeans themselves solve their problems.

[Vadim237]

Europe will not go anywhere - it will buy like a pretty one, and transit will be compensated for by an increase in pressure in the gas transportation system of Belarus, Nord Stream 1 and they will also start supplying LNG from Yamal - it will cost much cheaper than the mythical American LNG.

[ALEXANDER ABDRAKHMANOV_2]

How much you can blackmail Russia for your gas, and even the conditions are presented to us. Russia needs the Ukrainian pipeline to sue them all the time. Everyone wants to steal from him and not pay money. They take goods in the store for free, or they also steal. We must end with this infinite.

[tolmachiev51]

How quickly the EU’s concern for dill "ends" - they sell gas at 1000 to the "best" dill friends and conscience in no one eye. Science maydanutym-where there is money, there is no friendship and this is only the beginning, ahead of payments in tranches, there they will tear the skin from you alive.

[Strashila]

A kind of promise to the future ... Poland ... tremble ... your contract also has an expiration date and Belarus ... that there will be no gas transit to Europe.

[sgr291158]

Agree with Ukrainians, do not respect yourself.

[Brekset]

Ukrishkam kirdik. Now let Petrusha buy from her godfather for $ 600 and ride until the next Independence Square. Here you have an independent kraina. What kind of people such and power are. Because they themselves wanted it so much, no one drove you. Urgent you wanted to metr toilet toilet Geyroppppppppppi, Yes, and in Russia, except for washing the toilets, you have no job. I heartily congratulate !!!

[bratchanin3]

Is common sense prevailing in the Russian leadership and all negotiations with the enemy will end in principle? After such a rich history of commercial relations, there can be no talk of Krajina. And why again turned to Stockholm, after a biased verdict? It’s the same as applying to the Syrian court, the court’s decision will be predictable.

[annodomene]

If true, then it was high time ...

[Konstantin Yu]

One thing is not clear: Why did you have to wait two years? We sleep, dream of the friendship of peoples? Until the rooster in the w .. bite? Does anyone lead this strategy? or .. op-pa! the fine flew in! went to repair the sled .... one step ahead to look, it’s not fate ... We’ll wait where the wind blows

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Konstantin Yu.

One thing is not clear: Why did you have to wait two years?

They hoped and believed in "friendship" and the Slavic brotherhood .. Alas, they were mistaken! We will fix it ..
Well, for US, for GAZ and for Special Forces ...

[Wolka]

Apparently Gazprom is ready for a new contract, but on the basis of EU prices, taking into account the implementation of the decision of the Stockholm arbitration, let Ukraine itself pay according to this decision, but no, there is no court ...

[neoshef]

Americans with the perseverance of a maniac continue to fulfill Brzezinski’s covenants that the collapse of Russia will occur at the expense of Russia. Apparently, our government, finally, began to understand this, and take at least some steps.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: neoshef

Americans with the perseverance of a maniac continue to fulfill Brzezinski’s covenants that the collapse of Russia will occur at the expense of Russia.

In the 90s, just such a scenario was ..

Quote: neoshef

Apparently, our government, finally, began to understand this, and take at least some steps.

The weight of Russia has risen many times in the political and I'm not afraid to say economically .. in the world .. And these steps were taken back in the early 2000s! Whining is not necessary ..

[vviller]

"The victory declared by Naftogaz over Gazprom is quickly turning into another terrible bombardment." Pyrrhic victory!

[Victorio]

yeah, for what is done in Ukraine and the consequences will be paid by all, guilty and innocent

[earloop]

Do you want to open your business in any country? - Study the history of this country! Otherwise, the money from the contracts will turn into "white cranes" and fly away.

[Cuba]

finally squeezed out this purulent boil !!! ... let Svidomo Bandera go their own way!

[alexmach]

Berkut24,

Then, what will Gazprom pay for gas transit

I mean to myself? The flows then they belong to half of Europe, it seems, the second one anyway.

It’s not only 1,5 times cheaper,

I mean cheaper? Is it cheaper to drive gas under the sea than on a land route? But this does not happen.
And if you take into account the cost of the constructed infrastructure? Well, it’s not cheaper to build a new gas pipeline than to use an existing one. It was definitely not built for the sake of cheaper. Therefore, Europeans shout to you that this is a political and not an economic project. And they are partly right.

political risks are excluded

But you have already ruled them out just by selling gas to Europeans in Russia, aren't you? Do not contradict yourself here.

risks of traditional theft

This is a traditional lie, there was no theft there.

Justify. Why in this case Europe will not be able to use the basic principles of the gas market

Because there is no market on the Russian-Ukrainian border. The market is in Europe. There will be one seller and one buyer at the border, both with a monopoly position, both will use this monopoly position and now only Gazprom has such an opportunity. Give the Europeans such an opportunity - they will take advantage of it. Change my words. You tell me what you will sell at the gallets of each country separately, and I assure you that this will not happen, that you will deal there with a single transit company, a reseller, with a maximum of two with a clearly agreed position.

You, like the so-called Ukrainians, have a different impression ...

Oh, tell me more about my impressions, but you probably know better about it.

[loaln]

Finally, it is as if they are starting to put the trade in natural resources in a nationally beneficial direction. Something someone needs? Good. You need - the logistics are yours. Build tankers, gas carriers, pipelines. We will fill them at the exchange price, at the time of loading. In national currency. No customers? Equip Russia so that the very last farm is with gas and a gas station. There is no this, which means that the states at the helm simply squander the national treasure. Well, if not yet stolen. And no military toys justify this action.

[Dmitriy51]

Let's see, let's see ... As usual, at the beginning there is too much foam.

[GUARDS MAJOR]

Bravo! TRUE EVERYONE DOES ALREADY TIME TO SEND THEM ALL

[cradle]

Quote: alexmach

Turkmen gave Gazprom a certain VOLUME for its transit to a European buyer

Ok .. this is realistic, my latest data on your cooperation with Turkmenistan is already 10 years ago, then Gazprom bought gas at a big discount. In 2009, I could not redeem and apparently somehow agreed on transit.
“Lie on your stove ...” was especially amusing! Tear off your semi-European fillet and come to us in V. Yakutia .... Let us show you how it lies on the stove ... aha ... just don’t forget that men work here more thoroughly than in Chelyabinsk.

Those. in principle, nothing has changed for the price. Gazprom price decreased by the cost of Naftogaz services.

OK understood. The circuit is excellent. Now explain one simple thing to me: why should flows be built at all in such a situation? Well, they would sell on the Ukrainian border for a European price and would be satisfied. Why then do you think so much money is invested in the construction of a "miracle at the bottom of the sea"? Why transit it along a more technologically expensive route? just to annoy Ukraine?

Gazprom, as before, receives its price, Naftogaz receives its money for transit, and there are no changes for the direct buyer at the final cost.

It will not be so, I assure you. If there will be a very short time. There will be no gas at the Ukrainian border “like in Europe minus transit”.

It’s hard for you there in Estonia

But for you everything is simple, very simple, lie on your stove and everything will form by itself.

[cradle]

Quote: Vadim237

Europe will not go anywhere - it will buy like a pretty one, and transit will be compensated for by an increase in pressure in the gas transportation system of Belarus, Nord Stream 1 and they will also start supplying LNG from Yamal - it will cost much cheaper than the mythical American LNG.

Well, for the order they will be shaken up, but by winter they will become silk ... we will wait, we can wait.

[Bobxnumx]

How much can you steal our gas Bandera!

[Simon]

They don’t mine or produce anything, but they also want to snatch something. Let them wash themselves! We won't pay anything!

[Alex Nevs]

"Whether you like it or not" but sat on the "gas needle" according to any geyropa. Here geopolitics = geoeconomics. You won't be able to get down.

[kartalovkolya]

Isn’t it time to finally stop “feeding” the Kyiv junta and why is Europe trying to manage our resources?!

[shirkoled]

Come on!!! Putin will again bend to the crests, will try and behave and will again make concessions to the Ukrainians!

[ver_]

Quote: Donskoy

Quote: sabakina

210quot, after 19, this will not be reverse, but a workaround, according to SP-2. Going by origin, the same, Moscow.

Dreams, dreams .. As much as we would not like, but I can bet on a box of cognac that Russia will easily get their hands out and after the 19 year pumping through Ukraine will remain, albeit to a lesser extent

..at 19 the contract will end.. Our pipe can be supplied by US for repairs - for about 3 years..

[ASASHOKA]

There would be someone to talk to. Not with anyone yet. Russia is ready to talk, but there must be sane negotiators on the negotiating platform. So far only a PR company from the EU and Ukraine.

[Anchonsha]

Well, what can we talk about with Ukraine now if gas claims from Ukraine against Russia are being considered in arbitration? And after considering them we will see. You just need to talk to the EU, not Ukraine, and we need to sell our gas to the EU on the border between Russia and Ukraine, and then let the Europeans themselves argue with the crests