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News from the President: Avangard missile system with military equipment

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Last Thursday, March 1, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the Federal Assembly with an annual message. The most important place in the speech of the head of state took the story about promising strategic weapons systems. The Avangard system was presented along with other products. The existence of a project with such a name was known before, but now new details have appeared. In addition, the president announced some information that seriously complements or corrects the well-known picture.


Talking about new Russian armaments, V. Putin said that a real technological breakthrough was the creation of a new strategic missile system, which has fundamentally new combat equipment. The base rocket carries the planning winged block. According to the head of state, the tests of the latter have already been completed with success.



V. Putin recalled the events of recent years, which took place both in the international arena and at Russian test sites. In the past, the Russian side has repeatedly told its European and American partners about its intention to take measures to neutralize the threats associated with the construction of foreign missile defense. Back in 2004, Russian specialists conducted the first tests of a fundamentally new weaponsintended for breakthrough missile defense. Shortly thereafter, V. Putin made another statement on the development of strategic systems, taking into account current threats.

As the President recalled, he said then that in the conditions of quantitative and qualitative growth of the military potential of third countries, Russia needs the emergence of fundamentally new systems. In addition, he pointed out that the latest tests of new developments allowed the strategic nuclear forces to count on the emergence and receipt of a completely new weapon. At that time, they talked about a technical complex capable of reaching a target area at intercontinental depth with hypersonic speed and high accuracy. In addition, a promising product should have been distinguished by high maneuverability. In 2004, it was noted that similar weapons from foreign countries at that time were absent.


In the assembly shop of an unknown company


The head of state, referring to the Federal Assembly, noted that Russia did not make a secret of its plans and openly declared the development of strategic weapons in order to call on foreign countries for negotiations. In addition, V. Putin recalled the country's economic problems that existed in the middle of the last decade. Nevertheless, despite all the difficulties, the country found an opportunity to preserve the status of the largest nuclear power. Earlier, as the president pointed out, nobody wanted to take into account with Russia, but now he urges to listen to her.

The newest model of combat equipment for the missile system differs from other systems of its class in flight characteristics. He is able to fly in the dense layers of the atmosphere at the intercontinental range, developing a speed of the order of M = 20. Moving to the target, such a combat unit can perform deep maneuvering in height and course. Side maneuver can provide deviation from the original course for thousands of kilometers to the side. Maneuverability and speed make combat equipment invulnerable to existing anti-aircraft and missile defense systems.


A product possibly related to the Avangard project


The president spoke about some of the design features of the combat unit. At its construction new composite materials are used, with the help of which the problem of a long controlled flight with the highest speed is solved. During such a flight, a plasma layer is formed around the body of the product, and its surface is heated to 1600-2000 ° C. Despite this, the combat unit retains the desired controllability and continues to solve the assigned tasks.

As in the case with other topics, V. Putin’s speech was accompanied by a demo video. The President noted that, for obvious reasons, the appearance of the promising military equipment cannot yet be demonstrated. However, products exist and “work well”. Now, having overcome certain stages of the project, embarks on new works.

The Russian president said that, to date, the defense industry has launched mass production of new warheads. The product received the official name "Avangard". V. Putin did not mention other designations of the complex as a whole and its individual systems.


Launch rocket with an experienced hypersonic glider


The report of the president was accompanied by videos showing the main features and principles of the promising weapons. The Avangard system was shown in a video titled “Strategic Missile System with a Hypersonic Planning Unit”. With the help of real-life shooting and computer graphics, the main stages of the Avangard flight to the target were shown.

The video begins with frames taken in the workshop of one of the defense enterprises. The items shown on the stocks could be elements of a promising combat unit, but this cannot be said with confidence. Then they showed the launch of the rocket with the Avangard product. From the silo launcher a rocket came out with a distinctive elongated pointed head fairing. Further, using the graphics, the authors of the video showed the rocket reaching a high altitude and separating the first stages with the subsequent dumping of the combat equipment.


Rocket out of mine


Freed from the carrier systems, the Avangard combat unit headed for the target. The apparatus moving with the highest speed was shown surrounded by a cloud of heated gas. During the flight, the product performed several energetic maneuvers with a turn at high angles.

Also, the video clearly showed the main advantages of maneuvering military equipment. The product, having started from a launcher on one mainland, had to pass over the ocean and hit the target at a great distance. At the same time, there was a shipboard connection of the enemy with missile defense systems in the ocean, on land — a ground-based antimissile system, and in orbit — satellites of a missile attack warning system. The satellites managed to detect the passage of the Avangard through their observation zones, but the success of the enemy ended there. The warhead flew around the responsibility of the ship group, and then rounded the area of ​​ground-based missile defense. Such a flight was shown both in the general scheme and “from the point of view” of a hypersonic device. Having passed by dangerous areas, the product continued flight to the specified purpose.


Booster "Avangard" different shape of the head fairing


The video showed the approximate appearance of the Avant-garde product, but, as the president noted, it was a conditional image that was far from fully corresponding to reality. The painted warhead had a triangular shape with a slightly curved bottom, which serves as a bearing surface. The upper surface of such a “flying wing” was distinguished by a greater curvature, providing sufficient internal volumes. In the tail section, a pair of carinae spread outwardly. The bottom, nose and leading edges of the keels differed in color, which indicated the application of thermal protection.

2 in March V. Putin took part in the Vth Media Forum of the All-Russian Popular Front in Kaliningrad, where he again raised the topic of promising strategic weapons. Commenting on the latest developments, he said that dozens of Russian enterprises and thousands of specialists participated in the creation of the Avangard project. All this, according to the president, shows that the country has a developed research and production complex that generates the final product.


Rocket stages separation


The first information about the project with the Avangard cipher appeared quite a long time ago, but so far the main information about it is classified. The available information is not particularly complete, and the estimates and projections are often contradictory or not combined with official data. The new information on the activities of the Russian defense industry in recent years has recently been announced long ago by Vladimir Putin and seriously altered the already existing picture.

The name of the Avangard missile complex was first sounded in 2011 year in an interview with Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. The head of the military department told about the plans for the development of the Strategic Missile Forces, and at that time the troops planned to supply new systems called Avangard. The specific situation with open data led to the fact that the Avangard project was often identified with the Rubezh mobile RS-26 rocket project. The latest data from official sources do not confirm this information, but they do not refute it in full.


Avangard in flight


According to V. Putin, the tests of the future Avangard started back in 2004, but at that time information about the project was not disclosed. Over the next few years, the system appears to have been tested and refined. These works took a lot of time, but still led to the desired results. The launch of serial production of Avangard products has already been announced. Probably, such weapons are now being delivered to the troops or preparing for this.

Old assumptions about the use of the Avangard combat unit on the Rubezh rocket are now in doubt. The demonstration video prepared by the Ministry of Defense showed the launch of a liquid-engine rocket, probably UR-100UTTH. The mobile soil complex PC-26 was estimated to be equipped with a solid-propellant rocket. How this fact relates to the future practical use of hypersonic weapons is unknown.


Bypassing enemy missile defense systems


However, it can be assumed that the liquid-propellant rocket was used only as a platform for testing. In this case, after carrying out all the necessary checks, the Avangard battle block was to be incorporated into the Rubezh mobile complex missile. There is no exact information on this.

Within the framework of the Address to the Federal Assembly, for the first time, specific characteristics of a prospective hypersonic combat unit were heard. V. Putin said that the Avangard product during flight planning can reach speeds up to M = 20 and fly at a distance of at least 5500 km. The possibility of a lateral maneuver with a departure from the original trajectory for thousands of kilometers is also provided. The combat part of the product is special, having an optimum ratio of dimensions and power.


Maneuvering bypassing the missile defense zone


Known data on the Avangard project allows us to imagine exactly how such weapons will be used. With the help of a modified intercontinental ballistic missile, combat equipment should be displayed at a given height with acceleration to the required speed. Next, a reset is performed, and the hypersonic device proceeds to high-speed gliding flight. Moving along the most convenient trajectory, the glider is able to bypass the danger zones and thereby overcome air defense or missile defense. Maximum flight speed 20 times the speed of sound. Probably, its apparatus should develop on a descending part of the trajectory, already at the time of falling on the target.

Hypersonic speed in combination with a large flight altitude gives the product known advantages. Firstly, it is able to fly over areas without enemy air defense or missile defense or over sectors with less powerful protection. At the same time, it is possible to break through the enemy’s defense systems. A maneuvering glider moving along an unpredictable trajectory cannot be hit by modern missile defense systems. High flight speed, in turn, increases the speed requirements for air defense, sharply reducing the chance of successful interception. Even if the enemy’s defense systems prove to be on the Avangard path, their interception capability is unlikely to be high enough.



According to known data, intercontinental missiles of several main domestic complexes of the present time are equipped with monoblock combat units, which increases the risks associated with the enemy's missile defense system. Replacing the “traditional” combat unit with a hypersonic maneuvering glider with a similar warhead provides clear advantages. The rocket will still carry only one special charge, but now the probability of successfully hitting a target will increase significantly.

Vladimir Putin announced the start of mass production of Avangard products, but, as expected, did not disclose details of this process. It can be assumed that already in the very near future, a certain number of hypersonic missile-equipped missiles will be on duty as part of the strategic missile forces. Apparently, promising types of weapons will be operated in parallel with the existing combat units of the traditional type. Whether the full transition of the ICBMs to hypersonic gliders will take place in the distant future - we can only guess. The most likely is the joint work of combat equipment of different types with different characteristics and capabilities.

Many years ago, faced with a threat in the form of foreign missile defense, the Russian command decided to resort to an asymmetric response. It was proposed to counter the missile defense system under construction with the help of special weapons with high potential. One of the samples of such a shock system was first tested in the 2004 year, and by now, after all the checks, has been put into series. In the near future, the Avangard complex, which includes a hypersonic maneuvering combat unit, will have to have the most noticeable impact on the capabilities of Russian strategic nuclear forces and, as a result, on the country's security.


Based on:
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http://ria.ru/
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http://tass.ru/
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  1. Chichikov
    Chichikov 8 March 2018 07: 23
    +4
    Beautiful graphics. I especially liked the "bubbles" of the missile defense zones of surface connections ... you don’t seem to be suitable? And the new underwater, unmanned vehicle has not yet been given its own name ... it really knows how to get inside this “bubble”!
  2. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 8 March 2018 07: 29
    +21
    News from the President: Avangard missile system with military equipment

    How much can you chew cartoons? Anything else is no more? wassat
    1. Thor
      Thor 9 March 2018 00: 07
      +5
      To the point.
      The site went bad fashion to post "glum" descriptions of commercials, military tricks, etc. As an exposition on Russian speech at school for mentally retarded children, by God ...
  3. Firework
    Firework 8 March 2018 07: 50
    +1
    the device receives a signal from an external source and flies in a controlled direction, which means it is vulnerable to communication interference and satellites may be disabled
    1. dauria
      dauria 8 March 2018 20: 17
      +3
      it means it is vulnerable to communication interference


      What the hell is a "connection"? Enough of your brains to make a few turns. Anyway, San Francisco will not run away from its place, and it’s difficult to miss even by reckoning.
    2. SERVER
      SERVER 11 March 2018 17: 12
      0
      Most likely, a certain algorithm of actions in a given situation + artificial intelligence (possibly) is laid in the control system.
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 8 March 2018 08: 21
    +9
    The principle is the same as that of the planning bomb. They solved the problem with the dimensions of the inertial guidance system. Now it is placed in a standard combat unit of 125 kt. We replaced the brake flaps with aerodynamic rudders. And that's all. If it weren’t for the 90s, they would have been armed for a long time They were developed at the same time as Iskander rockets.
    1. Letoto
      Letoto 8 March 2018 09: 51
      +6
      The big problem with hypersonic flight is control, because plasma does not transmit radio signal. No matter how the USSR or the USA could solve this problem. So all the same, somehow we learned to use it - and this is a breakthrough.
      1. Operator
        Operator 8 March 2018 11: 09
        +4
        “Vanguard” does not need a connection - it is heading towards a goal whose coordinates are laid before its start in its inertial homing system. “Vanguard” needs to adjust the flight through the plasma using a radar at the very last stage of the flight: how this issue was decided is a secret.

        Hypersonic missile defense missiles with a radio command guidance system are aimed at the target by breaking through a plasma cloud with a stream of cold inert gas ejected from a special nozzle at the end of the rocket.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 8 March 2018 12: 53
          +1
          It is time to understand that plasma is a breakdown of the electromagnetic circuit. That is, energy systems interact through circuits that form not only generally accepted linear processes, but also spatial ones. Therefore, the very expression "break through the plasma" is wrong. Therefore, those technical solutions that are used now are short-sighted. It is just necessary to depolarize the development of the accumulation of potential in the ionized surfaces of the outflow, and then those processes that are fought will be transformed into processes conducive and positive, in order to achieve even greater speed
          1. Falcon5555
            Falcon5555 8 March 2018 20: 44
            +3
            Gridasov, are you this? How are your Moscow adventures - did anyone manage to get something into?
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 8 March 2018 21: 15
              +2
              There is no where to retreat .. We work in several directions. In addition to searching for those who could understand that we are positioning, we will be engaged in our own production. We buy our equipment and continue to produce, without explanation, what is in demand.
              1. Falcon5555
                Falcon5555 8 March 2018 21: 23
                +1
                There is no where to retreat.
                There is nowhere to retreat in Moscow, yes. laughing
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 8 March 2018 21: 33
                  +1
                  I understand your sarcasm. But I am in a different sense. There is too much fuss in Moscow and it is unlikely to find sane people. Besides, believe that the problem is not in me. Unfortunately, it did not work out to meet people who would understand the issues of the issues that we are addressing. However, many new ideas appeared on promoting projects to so-called partners. In general, it turns out as it was implied that next to those to whom you show sympathy, those who are ready to pick up the fallen fruit.
                  1. Falcon5555
                    Falcon5555 9 March 2018 01: 28
                    +3
                    I understand your sarcasm.
                    And I doubt that you understand "my sarcasm."
                    1. Baikal
                      Baikal 11 March 2018 17: 34
                      +2
                      Gridaastov, hooray, you are with us! I thought you finally got a girl and let you go))) Now this generator of near-scientific nonsense will tell us everything - what they did in “Vanguard” not and how it really should have been)))
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 11 March 2018 17: 37
                        +5
                        Quote: Baikal
                        I thought you finally got a girl and let you go

                        Do you feel sorry for the girl, as I understand it?
                        Good you recourse
                        PS: and for some reason you answered Falcon5555but not at all Gridasov-y
                      2. Falcon5555
                        Falcon5555 12 March 2018 01: 07
                        +1
                        Do not stop Gridasov from inventing the fluboloid. wassat
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 March 2018 20: 57
        0
        She wasn’t decided. There is no external control in this Avant-garde.
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 March 2018 10: 01
    +6
    Such a rocket can move with an inertial guidance system,
    according to a predetermined program, but not from a radio signal.
    Those. it is impossible to change its route during the flight.
    If the missile defense zone (ships from Aegis) has “moved”, then the missile will hit the zone like a blind one.
    A moving target, like a dagger, will not hit.
    I do not see any advantage compared to the classic ICBMs.
    The dagger at least bypasses all agreements on the BRDS, and there is no launch of the BR (which can be regarded as
    as the start of a nuclear war).
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 March 2018 10: 51
      +12
      Quote: voyaka uh
      If the missile defense zone (ships with Aegis) "moved"

      At what speed is it able to "shift"?

      Quote: voyaka uh
      A moving target, like a dagger, will not hit.

      Nuclear ammunition drummed, moving target, or not. For him, motionless highly protected targets pose a big problem.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      I do not see any advantage compared to the classic ICBMs.

      Guaranteed problems for missile defense. Demanding huge new investments to stop these kinds of threats.
      This, in fact, is the whole point of the Russian "asymmetric answer" - for comparatively little money, to make the missile defense system super expensive and thereby economically inexpedient. This is the right "arms race." For us, right.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 March 2018 11: 44
        +10
        "for relatively little money, make the missile defense system super expensive and
        thereby economically impractical "////

        This would be true if the United States tried to create a missile defense against Russian ICBMs.
        But the States are not even trying to do it. For they understand that this is pointless.
        Their missile defense is against single launches of ICBMs and infantry ballistic missiles from "third countries" and China.
        (Russia needs the same missile defense system - it has at least “third” enemies than the United States).
        Russia pulls the US and NATO into a round of the arms race, which Russia
        MUCH WILL LOSE. Due to incomparably different levels of funding.
        Even the USSR with much greater economic potential could not cope with a protracted race
        arms in maintaining parity with the United States. Russia's economy is negligible for
        compared with the USA + NATO countries. Therefore, a collapse in such a race is inevitable.
        China, having created the world's 2nd most powerful civilian industrial economy, can "face off
        muscles with America. But not Russia. Russia can currently maintain a minimally reasonable nuclear deterrence potential (400-500 ICBMs), which is enough to prevent any attack.
        And build a developed civilian economy. But do not bluff, challenging half the world, while not having a penny in your pocket.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 March 2018 12: 04
          +11
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This would be true if the United States tried to create a missile defense against Russian ICBMs.

          Well, yes, this missile defense is not against Russia, but against Iran. Or against Korea? Or against Burkina Faso? I’m sorry, I haven’t looked for a long time against whom the missile defense systems deployed along the Russian borders should “work”.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 March 2018 12: 56
            +7
            And you look. You are a former military man.
            Ground Aegis in Romania and Poland unable to intercept
            ICBM of Russia. No way - beyond the reach. And Aegis can’t intercept ICBMs at all,
            he is only against BDSD.
            The battery against ICBMs in Alaska does not have time to intercept Russian ICBMs,
            launched across the Arctic Ocean. She is imprisoned for interception.
            single launches from the Far East through the North Pacific.
            We will not talk about THAAD in California. If he is a threat to Russia?
            There is no environment around Russia with a missile defense system. It exists only on channel 1
            Russian TV to raise ratings.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 March 2018 13: 08
              +6
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Ground Aegis in Romania and Poland unable to intercept
              ICBM of Russia.

              Is it?
              And who said that American bases in Europe should remain "unattended"?
              Who said that retaliatory strike does not provide for the destruction of not only the United States as a state, but also its European allies?
            2. Dim Dimych
              Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 14: 04
              +6
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And you look. You are a former military man.
              Ground Aegis in Romania and Poland unable to intercept
              ICBM of Russia.

              And who told you that in the mines, with MK-41 universal containers, the Tomahawks (with the nuclear warhead) will not be loaded for the place of the SM-3 missile defense? Even if the United States refused to provide a guarantee in writing, it means something is "kept in mind"!
            3. emwave
              emwave 9 March 2018 14: 37
              0
              Or is NATO planning to use these systems for attack, rather than missile defense?
            4. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 10 March 2018 00: 13
              +2
              YOU have read American propaganda. Against Iran if - there are excellent positions in .... Turkey. They can beat us right at the start. But Poland and Romania are against us. Your denial is another confirmation of this.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 March 2018 12: 07
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Russia pulls the US and NATO into a round of the arms race, which Russia
          MUCH WILL LOSE.

          Yeah 8))))))))))))
          When Americans have to answer a million dollars for one of our invested rubles ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 March 2018 12: 38
            +5
            They will not respond to a clear bluff. They have their own plans.
            to the US military budget, equal to 4% of their GDP, which is rather modest for peacetime.
            And the cost of military equipment in Russia is comparable to American (average 1: 3),
            despite the multiple salary differences. Due to the high automation and computerization of their defense industry.
            They do something even cheaper than Russia.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 March 2018 13: 04
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              They will not respond to a clear bluff.

              And who told you that this is a bluff? Wise Experts who, for example, tell you that an engine built and tested more than half a century ago is impossible?
              eight))))))))
              Agitprop is such an agitprop ...

              Quote: voyaka uh
              And the cost of military equipment in Russia is comparable to American (average 1: 3)

              Have you “forgotten” that countermeasures will be more expensive than attack methods?
              Here's the question: how much will the defense submarine system cost, for example, the Pacific coast of the USA, guaranteeing with 100% probability the interception of a dozen "atomic torpedoes"?
              Answer options: 10 thousand times more expensive than these 10 torpedoes, 100 thousand times more expensive or a million times more expensive?
              Let me remind you that the old SOSUS demanded 335 million dollars a year only for its maintenance.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 March 2018 14: 03
                +3
                "guaranteeing with 100% probability the interception of a dozen" atomic torpedoes "?" ///

                Do you believe this nonsense? Why then talk about missile defense and BR ...
                I expected a dialogue with a former realist gunner. sad
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 March 2018 16: 25
                  +5
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  I expected a dialogue with a former realist gunner.

                  Oh you gentleman, how did you then brainwash ...
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 8 March 2018 18: 06
                    +4
                    After the presentation of the GDP of our breakthrough solutions in the nuclear missile sphere, the majority of "compatriots" experienced butthurt [pain in the ass] in the acute stage laughing
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 8 March 2018 18: 20
                      +1
                      8)))
                      That's right.
                      And since there is essentially nothing to say, the decision was made not to argue, but to categorically call everything "bullshit" and "delirium." At the same time trying to fasten everything to the elections 8)))
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 8 March 2018 21: 10
                    +2
                    They, these “warriors wow!” They are afraid to believe in the existence of our weapons .. They are AFRICATLY banal! Why? Yes, because they are very scared!
                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 10 March 2018 00: 19
                  +2
                  And who are you for the VUS? And so, with high. Or are you specialists of a wide profile? And the Swiss and the reaper and the dude on the dude? What does such a unique disappear?
              2. d.antonov
                d.antonov 8 March 2018 14: 51
                +2
                Bluff, if only because the air defense / missile defense laser is nonsense, which in principle is impossible, they wrote here 100 times why. They forgot about it, let it go and about the rest
                1. Dim Dimych
                  Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 15: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: d.antonov
                  Bluff, if only because the air defense / missile defense laser is nonsense, which in principle is impossible, they wrote here 100 times why. They forgot about it, let it go and about the rest

                  I assure you, Putin is not the kind of person to "lick"! He cherishes his authority too much! Moreover, do not forget that all Russian developments had some basis (and not "from scratch") from Soviet times!
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 March 2018 16: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: d.antonov
                  Bluff, if only because the air defense / missile defense laser is nonsense, which in principle is impossible

                  Oh la la ...
                  Again the same picture. To think up for Putin what he allegedly said and heroically brand it as "nonsense"
                  8))))))))))))))))

                  So, dear, take the trouble to confirm your words about the "air defense / missile defense laser." Just your words, because Putin didn’t talk about this.
            2. Winnie76
              Winnie76 8 March 2018 14: 03
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              They will not respond to a clear bluff. They have their own plans.
              to the US military budget

              In fact, the dagger resets the entire carrier component. How can they answer? Submarine aircraft carriers? Or immediately space. Now the classic American aircraft carrier is just a mass grave.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              And the cost of military equipment in Russia is comparable to American (average 1: 3),

              Who cares how many catapults and armadillos are in America. How much they bought muskets and squeals. The US military-industrial complex in critical weapons is at least 10-20 years behind.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 March 2018 14: 23
                +3
                "In fact, the dagger resets the entire carrier component" ///

                The dagger (Iskander suspended under the MiG-31) resets only the Russian budget. smile
                He has no relation to aircraft carriers.
                1. Winnie76
                  Winnie76 8 March 2018 20: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The dagger (Iskander suspended under the MiG-31) resets only the Russian budget.
                  He has no relation to aircraft carriers


                  Warrior, did you watch the movie? Here is a screen for you if that. I chew for those in Israel. Two boats are drawn in the video. And instead of these boats there may be an aircraft carrier with a warrant. And there’s nothing to bring down a racket of 10 M yet laughing
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 8 March 2018 20: 59
                    +1
                    That's it: "two boats are drawn in the video" laughing
                    It's better not to say ...
              2. Dim Dimych
                Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 14: 33
                +2
                [quote = Vinnie76] [quote = voyaka uh]
                In fact, the dagger resets the entire carrier component. How can they answer? Submarine aircraft carriers? Or immediately space. Now the classic American aircraft carrier is just a mass grave. [/ quote]
                In my opinion, not only the “Dagger", but the super-torpedo that Putin mentioned, there is one important point, he said that acceleration to maximum speed is several times faster than all the underwater means that many countries have today, and the maximum speed is several times surpasses all existing torpedoes and devices, given these words, one of the military analysts M. Khadarenok suggested that a nuclear mini-reactor (about which, in a youth forum, answering a student’s question on a cruise missile reactor, Putin said that he managed to create, thanks to new materials) the reactor was created on the basis of the reactor of the Soviet boat “Lira” where the revolutionary technology was used not for cooling water but liquid metal (based on bismuth and lead) and Lira just had a very high underwater speed of 42 knots and in a few seconds put the boat on maximum speed mode. Moreover, there is reason to believe that in this torpedo (given without a limited source of energy) the cavalry scheme of the Shkval super torpedo will be used which could accelerate under water to 380 km / h (though due to the high fuel consumption and the distance was only 60-80 km ) So wait and see, and if our engineers were able to create this super torpedo, it’s just a technology unattainable for the USA (in the next 10-15 years), because they don’t have any developments on the cavitation pattern of movement of underwater vehicles, though the Germans who In the early 2000s, they created a similar apparatus based on Soviet developments.
            3. Dim Dimych
              Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 14: 09
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              They do something even cheaper than Russia.

              I think here you are mistaken, given the cost of the product in Russia and comparing with the cost of production in the United States, the difference can be several times (even with a high level of automation of production), since salaries, taxes, energy, etc., are at completely different levels. Therefore, the military budget of Russia in dollars, translated into rubles, can be multiplied by 2-3 times.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 March 2018 14: 26
                +6
                "energy resources, etc., at completely different levels" ///

                Remember where gasoline is cheaper in America or Russia? wink
                And they are also cheaper kerosene.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 8 March 2018 14: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Remember where gasoline is cheaper in America or Russia?
                  And they are also cheaper kerosene.

                  Eh .... Launch Bahrain rockets into space, he had no competitors ... But the old Europe, with her gasoline price tags, is really kirdyk ...
                  wassat
                2. Dim Dimych
                  Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 14: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Remember where gasoline is cheaper in America or Russia? wink
                  And they are also cheaper kerosene.
                  If you count in dollars, then all the same, gas in the states is 5-6 cents more expensive than in Russia, but I meant the electric power industry in the message! I don’t know about jet fuel ...
                3. Winnie76
                  Winnie76 8 March 2018 20: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Remember where gasoline is cheaper in America or Russia?
                  And they are also cheaper kerosene.

                  Well, if they have cheap kerosene - then yes. Nothing to cover laughing laughing laughing
            4. emwave
              emwave 9 March 2018 14: 39
              0
              And the ruling iron? What about the F-35?
            5. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 10 March 2018 00: 16
              +2
              A clear bluff. Warrior, proofs in the studio for bluffing. And if not, then nervously smoke aside. Which, however, you do.
        3. Dim Dimych
          Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 15: 06
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But do not bluff, challenging half the world, while not having a penny in your pocket.

          I wonder where you tell these "tales"? Russia's GDP 3.8 trillion dollars, US GDP 17 trillion (and that, most of it due to an increase in the price of the product) and debt (attention!) 20 trillion. and a bubble on the stock exchange of 300 billion., so who and how much "weighs" life will show. But you go to the site "Made with us" https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/ and see how many schools, hospitals and infrastructure (and in small villages and cities and towns) are produced and built in Russia, in just one week , and then draw conclusions!
        4. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 9 March 2018 01: 40
          +3
          This would be true if the United States tried to create a missile defense against Russian ICBMs. But the States are not even trying to do it. For they understand that this is pointless. ... China, having created the world's 2nd powerful civilian industrial economy, can “measure its muscles” with America. But not Russia.

          That is, the States, according to you, understand that it is pointless to defend against Russian missiles, but Russia cannot "muscle its strength" with America. What's wrong with the logic of this text, huh? There is some senselessness here. A thousand missile defense against single launches? A meaningless post.
    2. Operator
      Operator 8 March 2018 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Like a dagger, a moving target will not hit

      The dagger medium-range missile system uses the Iskander-M ballistic missile, the optoelectronic seeker of which provides for the destruction of large-sized moving targets such as a destroyer or more with a navigational missile defense of several meters.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 March 2018 11: 48
        +4
        You confirmed my hunch that they simply hooked Iskander under the plane.
        But he will not fall into any moving target - this is a bluff.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 March 2018 12: 06
          +8
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But he will not fall into any moving target - this is a bluff.

          It is intended.
          But American KR with the same active radar head-fall. Why? That's right, the Americans have a different physics, a democratic one.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 March 2018 12: 30
            +4
            They have physics, not pre-election bluffs. therefore
            they make classic subsonic CDs that - yes - fall to the accuracy of one meter.
            (Using GOS with 3-4 types of guidance. The caliber also hit + -10 m, which is very decent).
            And the BR warheads that are not falling from outer space at the terminal section are uncontrolled,
            which for some reason are called either gliders or cruise missiles.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 March 2018 12: 46
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Using GOS with 3-4 types of guidance.

              Uh ...
              Do you know how an active GOS radar works?

              And then I look. You managed to put together and anti-ship "Tomahawks" that fall into moving targets, and "strategists" who use the same "types", but are not intended to hit moving targets.

              Quote: voyaka uh
              not a pre-election bluff.

              Do not read the false Israeli newspapers. Putin’s rating is sky-high, and he doesn’t have to resort to “bluffs” to win the election
              8)))))))
              Powerfully there you have agiprop brainwashing the population ...
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 8 March 2018 14: 07
                +4
                We have little written about Russia. Only about the participation of the Russian military
                Syrian campaign, which is relevant for us.
                Okay, let's talk about these new wunderwaffles after a few when
                it turns out that development has been discontinued.
                1. Dim Dimych
                  Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 14: 56
                  +7
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Okay, let's talk about these new wunderwaffles after a few, when it turns out that the development has stopped.

                  The most optimal in this situation (for envious people and countries not sympathetic to Russia) is self-hypnosis laughing
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 March 2018 16: 31
                  +6
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Okay, let's talk about these new wunderwaffles after a few when
                  it turns out that development has been discontinued.

                  Talk exactly?
                  After all, this is not the first time this is happening, but everyone is suddenly forgotten about the "conversation". From "Almaty" to the Crimean bridge ...
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 8 March 2018 17: 42
                    +5
                    Armata in the army? Is the bridge completed?
                    I believe that the Sarmatian ICBMs will do. After 10 years, about a dozen missiles will be in the mines in combat readiness. Dagger - also a dozen or two will do.
                    The rest is unlikely. recourse
                    We exchanged views. drinks I read all the objections of the opponents.
                    It was interesting. hi
                    1. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 10 March 2018 00: 25
                      +2
                      Yes, purely Jewish redneck, deny the obvious. You at least learned how to hold a punch. Well, of course, they took the master, the guru, and lowered him to the whole world.
                  2. Operator
                    Operator 8 March 2018 17: 57
                    +7
                    Merged in full laughing voyaka uh
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 8 March 2018 21: 09
                      +4
                      I never try to reserve the last word. Thanks to all opponents, including those who remained in their opinions and did not agree with my arguments drinks
  6. alikstalker
    alikstalker 8 March 2018 10: 30
    0
    And why did you decide that the control signal is supplied by the radio waves, and not magnetic. Remember that Torsion Fields are pseudoscience. Scientists involved in this are charlatans. For this type of connection, neither plasma nor the thickness of water and earth is a hindrance.
    1. groks
      groks 8 March 2018 11: 10
      0
      radio waves, not magnetic
      It is the same.
      For this type of connection, neither plasma nor the thickness of water and earth is a hindrance.
      Only no one knows yet what it is. But if nothing is hindering him, how will the receiver work?
      1. alikstalker
        alikstalker 8 March 2018 12: 00
        +2
        Who need to know the. As a Tibetan monk said: "Your scientists are so smart and their brain is so full of knowledge that nothing new can enter it." Are you sure that in the remote taiga there is no "sharashka"? to which the Rothshelds arm does not reach.
      2. AUL
        AUL 8 March 2018 12: 20
        +3
        radio waves, not magnetic

        It is the same.
        Are you serious?
        Two geniuses gathered. One opened magnetic waves, the other immediately equated them with radio waves! laughing
        Gridasov is not on them!
        1. alikstalker
          alikstalker 8 March 2018 12: 52
          0
          Sorry, sucker in physics. Let's just say: Information transfer in a way that is fundamental to "other, new physical principles"
        2. groks
          groks 8 March 2018 17: 51
          0
          Are you serious?

          Do fucking? Radio waves - what kind of radiation? The second half of the name does not mean that you need to shove your show-offs deeper?
          1. AUL
            AUL 8 March 2018 19: 57
            +1
            Do fucking? Radio waves - what kind of radiation? The second half of the name does not mean that you need to shove your show-offs deeper?
            Could you express your idea a little more clearly?
            1. groks
              groks 8 March 2018 20: 16
              0
              Nope. There is a physics textbook for this.
              1. AUL
                AUL 9 March 2018 13: 38
                0
                Quote: groks
                Nope. There is a physics textbook for this.

                Just in case, I re-read the textbook according to your advice. About "Radio waves - what kind of radiation? Does the second half of the name not mean that you need to shove your show-offs deeper?" - did not find anything. Looks like the wrong textbook is mine. So the question remains valid!
        3. dauria
          dauria 8 March 2018 21: 10
          +2
          Gridasov is not on them!


          This is exactly laughing Okay, I'll try to replace it. Any emitter has a near and far zone. In the near, the integral term prevails, in the distant, the current differential in the antenna. For a sine wave, spit - and the integral and derivative are still a sine (albeit with a phase shift). But for rectangular current pulses, there is already a difference. Let's say someone came to the head to take a coil and switch the current in it with a frequency of once every 10 seconds. The border of the far zone 3 lambda is 10 million km. (20 times farther than the moon). Who would have thought to call the “wave" the magnetic field during these 10 seconds, if you make it constant these 10 seconds? There is a magnetic field, but does not change for 10 seconds, which means that there is no electric field. But the receiver (compass needle) perfectly marks the "state". Here you have a magnetic "non-electromagnetic" (conditionally, of course, an electrical connection will occur at the time of switching).
  7. ares1988
    ares1988 8 March 2018 10: 53
    +3
    “The adversary’s success ended there” - so yes, it’s just strange that the video didn’t show a response-hello mass launch of the mbr and brpl from the “enemy” ...
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 8 March 2018 11: 18
      +1
      Quote: ares1988
      “The adversary’s success ended there” - so yes, it’s just strange that the video didn’t show a response-hello mass launch of the mbr and brpl from the “enemy” ...

      They will be disabled before the start:
      i said today far from all of our achievements and promising developments. But enough for today.
      Here are these "far from all" achievements and developments. fellow
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 March 2018 11: 50
        +7
        Quote: ares1988
        so yes, it’s just strange that the video didn’t show a response-hello mass launch of mbr and brpl from the “enemy” side ...

        It is impossible to show that which will not be. For it was the American "triad" that was first imprisoned under attack (the concept of a "disarming strike").
        And their missile defense system is just an attempt to minimize the response "hello."
        Moreover, the START Reduction Treaties have the same goal - to help ABM protect themselves from retaliation.
        1. ares1988
          ares1988 8 March 2018 14: 19
          +2
          Are you really sure that upon discovering the launch of an ICBM that flies toward the United States, while actively maneuvering, dodging missile defense systems that cannot be destroyed by these missile defense systems, which, in the end, after a spectacular landing gives a characteristic fungus and a little radiation - So, with all this, the United States will not transfer its strategic nuclear forces to DEFCON 1, and then to 0? Those. will they just sit there and watch this?) Oh yes, I forgot - they’re "well, dumb" ...))
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 March 2018 16: 34
            +2
            Quote: ares1988
            Are you really sure that upon discovering the launch of an ICBM that flies toward the United States, while actively maneuvering, dodging missile defense systems that cannot be destroyed by these anti-missile systems, which, in the end, after a spectacular landing, gives a characteristic fungus and a little radiation - So, with all this, the United States will not transfer its strategic nuclear forces to DEFCON 1, and then to 0?

            Do not translate.
            How can one translate into higher degrees of readiness what is already flying towards Russia?
            Once again, the main method of applying American XIAN is the first strike. T.N. "disarming" Is it really hard to understand?
            1. ares1988
              ares1988 8 March 2018 17: 39
              +1
              That's all, I understand you. Those. talk about reciprocal or counter-use. No questions.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 March 2018 18: 15
                +3
                Quote: ares1988
                Those. talk about reciprocal or counter-use.

                Exactly.
                The US missile defense system and strategic offensive arms reductions are seriously undermining Russia's ability to retaliate.
                Therefore, all these "latest weapons" are just a means to stop this trend.
                To ensure the possibility of an unpunished first strike, completely different means are needed. Minimizing flight time, maximum secrecy - new weapons do not achieve this, rather the opposite.
                1. ares1988
                  ares1988 8 March 2018 20: 33
                  0
                  Still, the missile defense system, in my opinion, at this stage can only be good against a weakened retaliatory strike. Against a retaliatory strike, it is ineffective today and tomorrow. This is not denied in the United States. However, officially, the missile defense should primarily intercept North Korean missiles, and it will at least cope with this task (although without a 100% guarantee of interception).
          2. KCA
            KCA 11 March 2018 20: 40
            0
            Russia, however, did not immediately bomb Israel several years ago when it tracked its missile launches in the Mediterranean Sea, and in general the military has a habit of warning about ballistic and KR launches, in order to avoid anything that didn’t happen, therefore American warriors say that they knew about we developed new missiles, we knew the time and place of launches, the place of the fall of warhead mock-ups, of course, we followed with all zeal
      2. ares1988
        ares1988 8 March 2018 14: 12
        +1
        With such assumptions, even cartoons are not needed as “evidence”) I won’t be surprised if in your imagination Russia is already building in its orbit the Death Star, which is invisible to everyone, which, uh, and the whole world are in ruins (because: why do we need it if there is no Russia in it?)))
  8. Procyon lotor
    Procyon lotor 8 March 2018 11: 01
    +2
    As long as there is MAD, and no one has yet canceled it, all these prodigies like Prompt Global Strike, railgun or those that have recently been voiced by the great and omnipotent Pu, who is bullshit and playing with the public. But do not be discouraged, since Putin promised that everything will be the way, then for those who believe it will be so - there is no money, but you hold on.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 March 2018 11: 58
      +5
      Quote: Procyon Lotor
      As long as MAD exists

      Exactly!!!!
      As you correctly recalled this term. 8))))))))))) Maladets !!!
      The American missile defense was conceived precisely in order to prevent this MAD. Providing impunity for the first “disarming strike”. Which, by the way, is the main method of using American XIAN.

      And "real bullshit from Putin" makes multi-billion dollar investments in missile defense simply useless.
      Thus providing this MAD- "mutual guaranteed destruction."

      American aggressors will not go unpunished. 8))))))))))

  9. Operator
    Operator 8 March 2018 11: 02
    +2
    The meaning of adopting the Avangard planning for the atmosphere is simple - without exception, all American missile defense missiles are either equipped with transatmospheric interceptors with an infrared guidance system or have a maximum reach height of less than 40 km. Therefore, the flight of the "Vanguard" at an altitude from 100 to 40 km occurs outside the coverage area of ​​the American missile defense.

    After the development of new missile defense systems with other types of interceptors in the United States, you can always return to the proven guided warheads with EPR 1 mm2 and zero emission / reflection of electromagnetic waves in the visible, thermal and ultraviolet ranges.

    In other words, let the United States throw tens of billions of dollars into the wind bully
  10. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 8 March 2018 11: 23
    0
    Now the Americans need to spend money on counteraction, and time is needed for this. You may have to slow down your projects.
  11. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 8 March 2018 11: 56
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If the missile defense zone (ships with Aegis) has “moved”, then the missile will hit the zone like a blind one. It will not hit a moving target, like the Dagger. I don’t see any advantage over classical ICBMs.

    1. The missile defense zone does not know where the rocket will go and its speed of movement is not more than 1 km per minute. In about 10 minutes, the zone will be able to move no more than 10 km. This offset can be preliminarily taken into account and it is not difficult to get around it.
    2. If the speed of the Vanguard or Dagger is suitable, then you can get into a moving target, especially if the target radiates (missile defense ships).
    3. The advantage is obvious - the ability to maneuver at high speeds and overloads, which greatly complicates the interception of missile defense.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 March 2018 14: 16
      +3
      All this is superfluous. BM ICBM takes aim at stars in space at stars
      once and flies down a stone like a meteorite.
      And it is extremely difficult to intercept her even if she doesn’t maneuver (sways
      gas rudders). And all these planning from space with missile defense bypass is expensive, superfluous and inaccurate.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 March 2018 16: 35
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And all these planning from space with missile defense bypass is expensive, superfluous and inaccurate.

        But it is guaranteed to overcome missile defense, and even promising systems.
        1. sabotage
          sabotage 8 March 2018 20: 32
          +1
          You just have to hit the target after all these tricks.
        2. Operator
          Operator 8 March 2018 22: 07
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          guaranteed to overcome missile defense

          This is true, but this feature of the presented types of weapons is not the main one - the goal is to scare the enemy to death (intimidation strategy) and make him spend money on countermeasures, i.e. play by our rules the next years 20-30.

          And then, when the enemy burns most of their GDP in the arms race, change the rules of the game again.

          In addition, the “Dagger”, “Status-6” and the intercontinental cruise missile with a nuclear engine allow us to cheaply increase our nuclear missile potential beyond the limits established by the strategic offensive arms and strategic nuclear forces treaties.

          In addition, the “Dagger” with a range of 2000 km allows you to save the limited warheads of ICBMs and SLBMs when attacking Europe, Japan, China and Israel (to the heap). The efficiency of Russian strategic missiles rises to 100% - all of them can be redirected to the United States.

          In addition, intercontinental cruise missiles are an ideal retaliatory weapon - when launched simultaneously with ICBMs and SLBMs, they will arrive at their targets after the enemy’s air defense and missile defense systems are suppressed by nuclear explosions of ballistic missile warheads.

          In addition, “Status-6” is imprisoned exclusively against countries with infrastructure, mainly located on the sea coast (USA, China, Japan, Britain, Israel, etc.), i.e. the creation by the adversary of his analogue of “Status-6” against such a continental country as Russia is pointless.

          And “Sarmat” with “Vanguard” is just a cherry on the cake bully
  12. Old26
    Old26 8 March 2018 16: 29
    +4
    Quote: Chichikov
    Beautiful graphics. I especially liked the "bubbles" of the missile defense zones of surface connections ... you don’t seem to be suitable? And the new underwater, unmanned vehicle has not yet been given its own name ... it really knows how to get inside this “bubble”!

    Regarding the bypass of the "second bubble" - I agree. Bypassing the first - no. The system probably has an ANN programmed to perform certain maneuvers at the right point. That is, the stationary system of PRO is bypassed. How it will bypass the mobile missile defense system, the coordinates of which are unknown at the time of the “Avangard” flight over it - only the compilers of the video know.

    Quote: Salute
    the device receives a signal from an external source and flies in a controlled direction, which means it is vulnerable to communication interference and satellites may be disabled

    In addition, it flies in a cloud of plasma. And in order to know where this connection of ships with the missile defense system will be - it is also necessary target designation ...

    Quote: Spade
    At what speed is it able to "shift"?

    In what time? A maximum speed of 30 knots per hour is approximately 60 km. There is no instant connection between the target source - the ground - the winged block. If the BR had already started from the design bureau, then it would reach the adversary in half an hour. In half an hour, the connection may take 30 kilometers and the unit will “run into” the connection, where it did not wait

    Quote: voyaka uh
    Their missile defense is against single launches of ICBMs and infantry ballistic missiles from "third countries" and China.

    Not even from China. In order to guarantee the destruction of the potential of Chinese missiles, the Americans must launch a preemptive strike to “thin out” the number of ballistic missiles in the return volley. And without this, China will not be enough

    Quote: Spade
    I’m sorry, I haven’t looked for a long time against whom the missile defense systems deployed along the Russian borders should “work”.

    You will laugh, but the bases in Romania and Poland are on the Iranian missile Flight Track if they want to strike at the heart of Europe. For France or Britain, or Germany. the missiles that stand there in all their parameters: (range, reach, height, intercept speed) ARE NOT ABLE TO INTERCEPT Russian ICBMs. Some ghostly chances may appear in Standard SM-3 Block 2A, which managed to fly off during trials 3 times (2 unsuccessful). But he must come almost into the zone of responsibility of the northern phloia, almost into the White Sea, in order to have a chance to hit BG. Yet again. Radars of American strategic interceptors are able to see up to 3-4 thousand kilometers and can direct accurately. On the sea - the radar will be with a range of 1000-1500 km. When the radar sees the target, we can say that "The train has left." the rocket does not have time to catch up with the target. the chances are almost zero ...

    Quote: Spade
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Ground Aegis in Romania and Poland unable to intercept
    ICBM of Russia.

    Is it?
    And who said that American bases in Europe should remain "unattended"?
    Who said that retaliatory strike does not provide for the destruction of not only the United States as a state, but also its European allies?

    Well, where do these bases come from, if we just don’t have the missiles that they can intercept ???

    Quote: dim dimych
    And who told you that in the mines, with MK-41 universal containers, the Tomahawks (with the nuclear warhead) will not be loaded for the place of the SM-3 missile defense?

    Two questions. You know the range of modern Tomahawk missiles. Not the nuclear option with which it all began, namely the modern ones. Range - about 1600 km. There is NO warhead for THEM. And in the coming years are not expected. Those BGs that still remained in the warehouses are intended for the new cruise missile of the Air Force. Or do you think that the fleet will snatch warheads from a program for which money has already been allocated. In addition, warheads must undergo a rejuvenation course. that is, go through a life extension program. The program will begin in 2019 and end in 2025. So which BGs will you put on the Tomahawk missiles in these Mk-41 launchers?
    If you haven’t been banned in Google, go to any cartographic resource and see where the Tomahawks in Romania get to, even if they go straight through Ukraine ..... Kaliningrad probably doesn’t have air defense means from us at all, but Batko will watch how two dozen (if they fly) missiles fly over it

    Quote: dim dimych
    I wonder where you tell these "tales"? Russia's GDP 3.8 trillion dollars, US GDP 17 trillion

    In fact, in 2017, US GDP was equal to 19 trillion 284 billion 990 million dollars, and Russia - 1 trillion 267 billion 550 million dollars. Normal statistics. Nothing personal. But where did you get these numbers ??
    1. Dim Dimych
      Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 17: 08
      0
      Quote: Old26
      The program will begin in 2019 and end in 2025. So which BGs will you put on the Tomahawk missiles in these Mk-41 launchers?

      Interestingly, do you firmly believe that the transatlantic "apostles with a halo on their heads" do not have (or the next year or two) will not have the means of delivery of nuclear charges on cruise carriers? I strongly doubt this, given the sad experience with past agreements and the rules of the game, which they constantly violate, that with the disposal of nuclear weapons under the START treaty, and with other agreements (in a recent film, Putin says how the United States "keeps the word" regarding the coup in Kiev in 1, when they asked Putin that Yanukovych remove the police from the streets and sign an agreement on early elections, and the coup begins next day) We can’t categorically trust neither statistics, nor information, not ourselves!
      Quote: Old26
      In fact, in 2017, US GDP was equal to 19 trillion 284 billion 990 million dollars, and Russia - 1 trillion 267 billion 550 million dollars. Normal statistics. Nothing personal. But where did you get these numbers ??

      And when did you look at Wikipedia, didn’t you read it to the end? Or didn’t look at the graph on PPP GDP (purchasing power parity) Russia just ranks 6th (immediately after Germany) with $ 3.8 trillion! The United States is indeed 19 and not 17 trillion. Wikipedia: "List of countries by GDP (PPP)"
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 March 2018 17: 29
        +6
        PPP GDP was invented by the UN specifically for poor countries,
        so as not to be offended.
        For countries rich in GDP (Nominal) equal to or greater than GDP (PPP).
        And in poor countries, GDP (PPP) can be two to three times higher than GDP (Denomination).
        To translate into simple language: in some Indian village reigns
        violent activity - washing clothes to each other, repairing huts
        and sell each other all small things and food. Not bad, happy life.
        Decent village GDP (PPP) good . But when you need to buy together, for example, a TV
        to the club to watch their beautiful series, it turns out that there is no whole village
        200 dollars to do it. GDP (face value) of the village is low sad .
        1. dauria
          dauria 9 March 2018 00: 08
          +2
          PPP GDP was invented by the UN specifically for poor countries,
          so as not to be offended.


          Trick, dear. wink
          A hairdresser in China makes a haircut for 10 bucks, in the US for 100. Yes, a Chinese hairdresser will not buy a Ferrari. But PPP GDP is an indicator of the ECONOMY of the COUNTRY, and not the income of a hairdresser. And if there are 10 hairdressers in China, and one in the USA, then production (and PPP GDP) in China is 10 times better. Although just the nominal GDP will be equal.
          Put a plant instead of a hairdresser, and it's all very strange. China ALREADY came out on top in PPP. And at face value - it is enough for him to collapse the dollar and start buying Ferrari for yuan. But why?
  13. Old26
    Old26 8 March 2018 17: 44
    +4
    Quote: dim dimych
    Interestingly, do you firmly believe that the overseas "apostles with a halo on their heads" do not have (or the next year or two) will not have the means of delivery of nuclear charges on cruise carriers?

    But I do not believe. So to speak. I know. And besides Wikipedia I read a bunch of specific literature. The nearest time when they will be able to produce new nuclear charges is 2030. And here even the matter is not in money, but in time. Taking advantage of the collapse of the USSR and being in euphoria, they missed the moment when their nuclear weapons complex began to degrade. Gor-Chernomyrdin agreement drove a nail into the lid of their coffin

    Quote: dim dimych
    I strongly doubt this, given the sad experience of past agreements and rules in the game, which they constantly violate, that with the disposal of nuclear weapons under the START1 agreement,

    And what, was the destruction of nuclear weapons prescribed in the START-1 treaty? Do not remind in which article? Yes, for the destruction of the corps - yes, it was, but for the destruction of nuclear charges - this is already fiction. Both countries will utilize warheads that are being removed from service, otherwise each side would not have accumulated such a large number of HEU
    Nevertheless, each of the parties does this without looking at the others, since it is fraught to store a huge amount of ammunition. They have ammunition in the category OPERATIVELY DEPLOYEDis in the category OPERATIONAL STORAGEthere are categories LONG-TERM STORAGE и STRATEGIC RESERVE
    Figures about how many people have regularly published. And it’s not for you and me to cover our eyes. If you read not only Wikipedia - this data can be found.
    I can show you a table on how many GBs are disposed of by Americans. I think that you will find yourself in all types of storage

    This is dismantling for the period 1994-2009. It just covers all these START-1 and START-2 treaties

    Quote: Dim Dimych
    according to other agreements (in a recent film, Putin says how the United States keeps its word regarding the coup in Kiev in 2014

    Do not confuse warm and soft. Agreements or whatever in the political field and strategic arms treaties. Putin something switched to the fact that they are not fulfilling any obligations in Ukraine. Why didn’t he say what violations the Americans have regarding strategic weapons ??

    Quote: dim dimych
    And when did you look at Wikipedia, didn’t you read it to the end? Or didn’t look at the graph on PPP GDP (purchasing power parity) Russia just ranks 6th (immediately after Germany) with $ 3.8 trillion! The United States is indeed 19 and not 17 trillion. Wikipedia: "List of countries by GDP (PPP)"

    But in such cases I don’t look at Wikipedia. There are more accurate resources. You took the best attitude, according to the teaching staff, and gave it out as if everything in Russia was tip-top. But the fact that in another parameter it is in 13th place with the numbers 19,284990 for them and 1,267550 for us - here you decided not to say something. The ratio is worse, so it’s not profitable
    1. Dim Dimych
      Dim Dimych 8 March 2018 18: 17
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      Quote: Old26
      This is dismantling for the period 1994-2009. It just covers all these START-1 and START-2 treaties

      I was just talking about on Wikipedia: “An agreement on the disposal of plutonium” (maybe I incorrectly cited the START 1 treaty), where the United States simply deceived us by conserving plutonium, and we built a full-fledged processing plant! But the fact is the fact - they cannot be trusted!
  14. Kathernik
    Kathernik 8 March 2018 20: 42
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "for relatively little money, make the missile defense system super expensive and
    thereby economically impractical "////
    This would be true if the United States tried to create a missile defense against Russian ICBMs.
    But the States are not even trying to do it. For they understand that this is pointless.
    Their missile defense is against single launches of ICBMs and infantry ballistic missiles from "third countries" and China.
    (Russia needs the same missile defense system - it has at least “third” enemies than the United States).
    Russia pulls the US and NATO into a round of the arms race, which Russia
    MUCH WILL LOSE. Due to incomparably different levels of funding.
    Even the USSR with much greater economic potential could not cope with a protracted race
    arms in maintaining parity with the United States. Russia's economy is negligible for
    compared with the USA + NATO countries. Therefore, a collapse in such a race is inevitable.
    China, having created the world's 2nd most powerful civilian industrial economy, can "face off
    muscles with America. But not Russia. Russia can currently maintain a minimally reasonable nuclear deterrence potential (400-500 ICBMs), which is enough to prevent any attack.
    And build a developed civilian economy. But do not bluff, challenging half the world, while not having a penny in your pocket.

    - Dear, here recently one pile of muscles in Khabarovsk was knocked out of a blow. So it is with the economy of America. One wrong movement (and it will happen) and there is no this economy.
  15. Kathernik
    Kathernik 8 March 2018 20: 47
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    PPP GDP was invented by the UN specifically for poor countries,
    so as not to be offended.
    For countries rich in GDP (Nominal) equal to or greater than GDP (PPP).
    And in poor countries, GDP (PPP) can be two to three times higher than GDP (Denomination).
    To translate into simple language: in some Indian village reigns
    violent activity - washing clothes to each other, repairing huts
    and sell each other all small things and food. Not bad, happy life.
    The GDP (PPP) of the village is decent. But when you need to buy together, for example, a TV
    to the club to watch their beautiful series, it turns out that there is no whole village
    200 dollars to do it. GDP (face value) of the village is low.

    - It burns the same: both the cottage and the shack. Your example about GDP is about nothing.
  16. pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 8 March 2018 22: 30
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    In addition, it flies in a cloud of plasma. And in order to know where this connection of ships with the missile defense system will be - it is also necessary target designation ...

    Well, this is not a problem. At the bottom of the aircraft carrier there are probably a lot of clam clings. Well, it is possible that one will suddenly be demagnetized on command from a satellite or a buoy, and pop up giving a radio signal. Putting them to the bottom is no problem. Where do they go, moor .... You can use mini-drones.
  17. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 8 March 2018 23: 36
    +4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "In fact, the dagger resets the entire carrier component" ///

    The dagger (Iskander suspended under the MiG-31) resets only the Russian budget. smile
    He has no relation to aircraft carriers.


    Your point of view is understandable. Like your knowledge laughing What is the change in the missile defense area worth? winked When these areas can change their location at a speed of at least 100 m / s, then perhaps your arguments should be listened to. But only because you might simply be mistaken in numbers. Indeed, even with such a speed of changing the position of the missile defense, urgently you need to increase the speed once again by at least 10.And it's just crazy nonsense. You yourself confirm that it is impossible to intercept even existing missiles. But as I wrote earlier in a similar topic, when the number of anti-missiles is several tens on one of ours, they will intercept. And if the United States really defends itself against China and the DPRK, then let them build at least tens of thousands of missile defense systems on their territory, I’m sure that Russia will not be against it, but for now, they build missile defense systems on the border with us. Don’t worry about our budget. to kill dozens of people. And to save these people dozens of bulletproof vests are needed, and there will be no guarantee that they will help. What do you think is cheaper to make one machine gun or at least ten bulletproof vests? Min a difference of 1:10 will be. Only a machine gun is guaranteed to kill these ten people. And body armor only gives a small chance for these people to survive.
  18. Old26
    Old26 9 March 2018 00: 02
    +3
    Quote: dim dimych
    I was just talking about on Wikipedia: “An agreement on the disposal of plutonium” (maybe I incorrectly cited the START 1 treaty), where the United States simply deceived us by conserving plutonium, and we built a full-fledged processing plant! But the fact is the fact - they cannot be trusted!

    You really messed up. START-1 has nothing to do with it. And whether someone likes it or not, the Americans comply with such global strategic arms treaties.

    As for plutonium. 34 tons of plutonium (17 on each side) were to be disposed of. The Americans decided to use the technology to "neutralize" plutonium so that, if necessary, they could return plutonium to its original state. We - built a plant for the production of MOX fuel. The Americans were so convinced of their infallibility that they were now left without the production of new nuclear charges (in the presence of plutonium). The weapons and nuclear complex fell into decay. Those reserves of LEU that they received under the agreement of Gore-Chernomyrdin have already been used up. Now the Americans are using their HEU-LEU fuel, but this is not an option. It would be better for them to create technologies and a plant for the production of MOX fuel. But they decided to outwit everyone, and as a result they outwitted themselves.
  19. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 9 March 2018 11: 28
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    Why such difficulties with a maneuvering unit or a round-the-world missile? Is Voronezh covered by the "umbrella" of the American missile defense?
  20. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 12 March 2018 14: 16
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    In the photo there is just a thin-walled cone with a shell - I do not think that it relates to a complex of guided warhead - although its size is similar to certain products of the late 80s. But the lack of some external controls does not allow us to speak confidently.

    In this case, after all the necessary checks were carried out, the Vanguard combat unit was to become part of the Rubezh mobile complex missile


    Why do you classify it as a particular carrier? Combat units can be unified with carriers by altering the stages of distribution - if only the energy and overall characteristics of the carrier would make it possible to place a controlled unit - which is usually larger than unmanaged.