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Nugget bait



In 1788, the British captain Arthur Phillip entered the bay with a dozen ships and founded the settlement of Sydney Crowe on the coast of the newly opened continent Australia, which later became Sydney. The exploration of Australia has begun. But ... there were no people willing to go to a distant continent in Britain. The shortage of labor and the refusal of America after the war of independence to accept prisoners forced the British government to make a decision: it began to send convicts to Australia.

For decades, yesterday’s thugs, hackers, fraudsters of all stripes, prostitutes — thousands of people who had no education and were in conflict with the law — were transported there. The situation began to change only in the 1850 year, when gold deposits were discovered in open-cast mining. When the ships returned to England with eight tons of gold from Australia, the London Times announced in 1852:
"This is California again, but it looks like California on a larger scale."


Reports of gold nuggets found in Australia have stirred up British society. Memories from America were fresh in my memory, where innumerable gold reserves seemed to be discovered in California's 1848. Thousands of adventurers reached there. But only a few managed to get wealth. The vast majority of prospectors, unable to bear the hardships, simply died.
Happiness smiled, seemed to England itself - gold was found in its new colony. The British government immediately began to widely disseminate impressive information about the new “gold rush” - in Australia, the gold is literally under our feet, you just have to dig. Want to become rich? For this you need to enlist in any of the mining companies.

On one of the main streets of London, Pall Mall, in the window of the ship company engaged in the transportation of convicts, gold bars were exhibited. People were crowding around the window from morning to evening. They got acquainted with the conditions of shipment. True, there were knowledgeable people who said that it was not worth going to Australia - this is a giant prison in the ocean, a haven of rapists. People who cannot find a place in British society are sent there. English gentleman among these is not the place.

But these reasonable considerations have little effect on anyone. The words "gold rush" seized the imagination of people. The situation was fueled by two more messages: in 1869, a nugget weighing over 70 kilograms was found in Australia, which was immediately dubbed the “Desired Stranger”.
The nugget was found by two prospectors named John Dison and Richard Oates 5 on February 1869 of the year in Moliagoul, Victoria. They stumbled upon it by accident when they pulled out a wagon stuck in mud. Interestingly, when this piece of gold was discovered, there were no scales capable of weighing a nugget of that size, and therefore it was broken into three pieces on the anvil.

Three years later, an even greater success: at Hill-End, Australian workers mined the world's largest gold nugget "Holterman Plate" - 144 on 66 centimeters and weighing 286 kilograms!
It was not a pure piece of gold, but a conglomerate of gold with quartz. After melting down - there was only 93,3 kg of this metal.

Photos nugget immediately appeared in British newspapers. Near the happy faces of the workers. These campaign materials played a role. People queued up to ship companies.

But the situation with convicts in Australia itself was very difficult. They were required to send troops. The contingent arrived poorly managed, reluctantly went to work, they had difficulties. Most of these people from the lower classes owned jargon, were tactless in their behavior and, of course, did not lose their acquired “professional” skills. Only there was no place to apply them. Under escort they went to the mines, under escort they were trained in professions, under escort they returned to the barracks.


Prison ship in Portsmouth Harbor, prisoners marching on board, Edward William Cook, 1828 Year, National Library of Australia

There were clashes between the miners and the government. The Eureka 1854 uprising of the year in which 30 prospectors and 20 soldiers died. Gold miners demanded the introduction of universal suffrage, the abolition of the property qualification for candidates for members of parliament, the establishment of salaries for members of parliament, etc. Also, gold miners demanded the cancellation of licenses for gold mining.


Eureka rebellion. Artist S.Dude

In 1868, there was no need to send criminal elements to Australia. The British government fulfilled its task - people went to this country voluntarily. For the gold. For happiness. And not only the British drove, but the Irish, Germans, French, Chinese. From those who wanted no end. By 1871, Australia’s population increased from 540 000 to a whopping 1,7 million. The discovery of gold led to the economic growth of the country, over the years, "hard labor" labor was followed by decades of well-being.


The opening of the Australian Parliament in 1901 year. Artist T. Roberts

In 1901, the Australian Federation was created. Entry into the country by non-Europeans was practically banned. In subsequent years, the Australian boom continued, and reserves of oil, iron, tin, and uranium were found in Cleveland. Australia became a promised country - children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of former convicts became full-fledged citizens of a prosperous state. They have not forgotten their ancestors, but the tragic history not so distant past of the country displayed in museums.


Edwin Stockkeler, Australian Gold Diggers, National Gallery of Australia

Based on:
https://www.goldoz.com.au/australian-gold-rush/
https://www.rutvet.ru/in-samye-bolshie-samorodki-zolota-v-mire-8497.html
"One Hundred Great Secrets of the World" -M.: Veche, 2010.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 9 March 2018 06: 06
    +3
    All pious western inhabitants in the family have a bandit from the highway ....
    1. Cat
      Cat 9 March 2018 06: 47
      +5
      Given the “humane” judicial system of Britain in those years, not only rapists and murderers, but also beggars, loan debtors, and even in the modern sense of the word, who committed administrative offenses, fell on the "promised land".
      So any wealthy Australian can safely begin with the prayer "Long live the British court, the most humane court ...." !!!?
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 9 March 2018 12: 44
        +2
        Quote: Kotischa
        not only rapists and murderers, but also beggars, loan debtors, and even in the modern sense of the word, persons who committed administrative offenses.

        You forgot another category of serious crimes punishable by hard labor - attempt to create a union!
      2. bubalik
        9 March 2018 13: 08
        +2
        More than 24 000 women were transported to Australia as convicts. For the most part, this was the first offense, mainly related to poverty. A high percentage of women were single. About 2000 children left with their convicted parents.
        20% of convicts transported were under the age of 20.
        1. Cat
          Cat 9 March 2018 19: 42
          +3
          Interesting fact!
          In the first expedition during the transportation of women’s convicts, the sailors of the Friendship brig became so friends with the “cargo” that at the Cape of Good Hope the “cargo” was changed to sheep in order to stop debauchery!
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 10 March 2018 18: 05
            +1
            Quote: Kotischa
            on the Cape of Good Hope, the "load" was changed to sheep, in order to stop debauchery!

            those. bestiality was not considered lechery? laughing
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 10 March 2018 20: 16
          +1
          More than 24 000 women were transported to Australia as convicts. For the most part, this was the first offense, mainly related to poverty. A high percentage of women were single. About 2000 children left with their convicted parents.

          Pikul, "Katorga", his darkest work. We had the same thing. The wife was exiled -
          a man followed her across Siberia on foot. Or vice versa, female criminals who arrived on the island became their wives. Although Valentin Savich in many ways was tearing other people's books .. request In the 17th century, ships with women (sometimes not of the most difficult behavior), who became pirate wives, also sent to Tortuga.
    2. Cat
      Cat 9 March 2018 07: 01
      +7
      Quote: Vard
      All pious western inhabitants in the family have a bandit from the highway ....

      Now about Russia.
      What do you think, where did our “thieves”, “murderers” and “knights and ax knights from the high road” disappear! Yes, since the reign of Boris Godunov, Siberia has become the farthest outskirts of our Fatherland. By the way, one of the first political cheese producers was the Bell from the city of Uglich, which, with its alarm, informed Russia about the death of the youngest son of Ivan the Terrible, Dmitry. The bell was pulled out and one ear was cut off, then they were exiled to the Siberian city of Tobolsk, where he stayed until recently. Only 300 years later in 1892 the "raw" bell returned to its homeland in Uglich, today its replica is in Tobolsk.
      1. Cat
        Cat 9 March 2018 07: 32
        +3

        The bell of exile !!!
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 9 March 2018 14: 05
        +3
        Kotische, actually the “Uglichny bell" would not be alone. In my youth, I read “Bronze Exiles” in the tear-off calendar and the first was “The Tver bell, when the Horde Khan executed Prince Alexander of Tver (?) And the label was given to Moscow, then the Tver veche bell was taken to one of the Moscow monasteries. All of these“ exiles "there were about five or six. Some kind of bells" tongue "pulled out and fluttered
        1. Cat
          Cat 9 March 2018 19: 28
          +1
          Dear Vyacheslav!
          I gave an example with a bell from Uglich, as the first fact of the exile of a “bronze penal convict” to Siberia.
          The tradition of shooting bells in Russia is long-standing. In due time, following Tver, their veche bells lost Veliky Novgorod and Pskov. So the tool of such an impact was quite common.
    3. moskowit
      moskowit 9 March 2018 08: 09
      +4
      Yes, and our current nouveau riche, who robbed the people and robbed until now, the initial capital was created, to put it mildly, not entirely legal ways ...
      1. Cat
        Cat 9 March 2018 10: 20
        +6
        Moreover, one of those involved in the collapse of the economy in the 90s is a candidate for President of the Russian Federation. So if anyone is talking about the most democratic, legal and fair state, then the Russians are proud - this is about us !!!
        America envy silently in a rag ....
  2. bubalik
    9 March 2018 07: 22
    +2
    Given the "humane" judicial system of Britain

    Minor crimes, such as the theft of items worth more than 1 shilling (about a daily wage for a worker), cutting down a tree in the garden or stealing livestock ,,,
    Between 1788 and 1868, over 166 000 British convicts were sent to Australia.

    Fremantle Port, 1899
    1. bubalik
      9 March 2018 07: 33
      +3
      Until 1810, the government gave civilian clothes to convicts, but as more and more free settlers moved to Australia, it was easy to distinguish between convicts.
      The uniform consisted of a coarse wool jacket, a yellow or gray vest, a pair of trousers and long socks, shoes, two cotton or linen shirts, a neckerchief and a hat.


      and the most important attribute belay
      1. Cat
        Cat 9 March 2018 10: 14
        +3
        Another attribute of the English penitentiary system!
    2. Cat
      Cat 9 March 2018 07: 40
      +2
      In principle, in domestic jurisprudence, the amount of 1000 rubles is recognized as a criterion of insignificance. Although there is an incident in our legislation - if petty theft is committed by a group of persons by prior conspiracy, then guilty persons in most cases will not be punished. Because Administrative Code of the Russian Federation provides that petty theft (theft) is possible only by one person, and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation speaks of the insignificance of the amount stolen !!! So, if you go to business, then only a "group of persons"! drinks
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 March 2018 07: 46
    +3
    The British government fulfilled its task - people went to this country voluntarily.

    Let's go for happiness. And they found it and earned it for themselves and their descendants.
    Australia is one of the most prosperous countries in the world so far.
    Successful project.
    1. thinker
      thinker 9 March 2018 08: 38
      +4
      Lucky, it's like kumu, "every luck is someone else's failure."
      By the beginning of European colonization, the number of Australians was about 700 thousand. man ... Colonization, accompanied by the extermination of Australians, their crowding out into ecologically unfavorable areas, epidemics, led to a decrease in their numbers - to 60 thousand. in 1921 ... In 2010, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd formally apologized to the indigenous people of Australia for the acts committed by the white colonizers against the natives.
      1. Cat
        Cat 9 March 2018 08: 57
        +6
        The story of the natives of Tasmania is indicative!
        Seekers of happiness exterminated the local population at the root. In the British newspapers of that time, even the facts of cannibalism flashed - the eating of white natives by local natives. And this is not a "duck"! In the Australian Museum of Sydney in the 90s of the last century there was even an exposition on this one.
        The last group of natives of the island of Tasmania, which hid from the raid in the hollow of the tree - "blew up"! I have not sealed up. The only surviving child from the "undermined" group of children was adopted by the governor of Tasmania. So to whom the "bagel", and to whom the "hole from the bagel" is obvious.
        By the way, I don’t remember who I read, that the governor "raising" his own daughters used to say that they have less brains than the reception of Tasmanka!
        1. bubalik
          9 March 2018 09: 24
          +3
          ,,, as part of efforts to prevent the escalation of the war in April 1828, Governor Arthur ordered all Tasmanians to leave the part of the island where the Europeans settled. To ensure the implementation of this order, "patrol groups" organized by the government were formed, composed of prisonersx ,! led by the cops. The "patrol groups" harassed and killed the Tasmanians. A price was set for local goals: five British pounds for an adult, two pounds for a child caught alive.
          ,,, The last woman, Truganini, was afraid of such treatment with her body and asked before her death in 1876 to be buried at sea, but to no avail. Her fears were realized: the British Royal Company exhumed the skeleton and exhibited it in the Tasmanian Museum. He remained at the exhibition until the 1947 year, when, after complaints, the skeleton was removed to a special room into which only authorized scientists were allowed to enter.

          Some deny responsibility for genocide. In 1982, a leading Australian newspaper published a letter written by a woman who denied genocide. The letter stated that the settlers were peaceful, moral people, while the Tasmanians were
          "Insidious killers, warlike, dirty, infected with parasites and restless"
          . She wrote:
          “it was a coincidence that they died when the Europeans arrived, due to illnesses before the European settlement.”
          , claimed that the settlers were armed only for self-defense and never killed more than 41 natives.
          1. Cat
            Cat 9 March 2018 10: 25
            +4
            Yeah, so they took and died !!!
            In this sense, the indigenous New Zealanders fellows. They rested on their independence to the last. Ultimately survived.
            Conclusion Enlightened Europe must be met with a stick, spear and .... as a provision. Then the second side has a chance!
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 9 March 2018 12: 46
          +2
          Quote: Kotischa
          By the way, I don’t remember who I read, that the governor "raising" his own daughters used to say that they have less brains than the reception of Tasmanka!

          At San Sanych Bushkova
          1. Cat
            Cat 9 March 2018 15: 59
            +1
            Definitely not! Either Medinsky or someone else.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 9 March 2018 19: 06
              +2
              then it is Medinsky
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 March 2018 10: 12
        +2
        Quote: thinker
        cottage, it’s like a kumu, “every luck is someone’s failure.”

        This is yes and it is certainly terrible.
        But there were times and mores: conquerors always turned the vanquished into slaves, often destroyed the vanquished, and their top certainly.
        But they treated their own not much better ....
        1. Cat
          Cat 9 March 2018 12: 12
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          ........
          This is yes and it is certainly terrible.
          But there were times and mores: conquerors always turned the vanquished into slaves, often destroyed the vanquished, and their top certainly.
          But they treated their own not much better ....

          Not always and not all. For example, the institute of the Kasimov Khanate in the history of Russia. Moreover, various similar examples in the history of our Fatherland are many. A particularly similar factor was pronounced during the conquest of the khanates in Central Asia and in the Caspian region. In fact, the natives integrated into the management system of the Russian Empire. By the way, the Emir of Bukhara after the Russo-Japanese War made the largest contribution to the revival of the Russian fleet - one million rubles. So much for the native!
          This practice was widespread among Russian monarchs, although there were exceptions.
          By the way, the proto-Russian state was originally multinational and remained so throughout its existence. Now over 180 nationalities live in the territory of our Fatherland.
          1. Curious
            Curious 9 March 2018 15: 44
            +3
            "Here you have a native!"
            Absolutely inappropriate comparisons are the colonization of Australia with a small Aboriginal population at the Stone Age level and the conquest of Central Asia.
            Bukhara itself is over 2500 years old.
            In general, I look that the "History" section is a thing of the past, since not a single historical fact is already, in fact, regarded as historical. Only in the context of "how vile they are and how great we are."
            1. Cat
              Cat 9 March 2018 16: 12
              +4
              Victor want another example - the Chukchi. According to various researchers, the Great Northern War lasted almost three centuries! Moreover, the Russians and the Chukchi fought with varying degrees of success. In the end, they reconciled, but during the confrontation the allies of the Russians, Yugokara, were cut almost to the root. More black spots to throw ......?
              It is not sad they are, only if you compare Anglo-Saxon humanism and Russian chauvinism in the bottom line, 180 nationalities live in the territory of the Russian Federation, 67 nationalities have citizenship in the UK.
              Almost three times the difference!
              In addition, slamming the door, the British empire left such gifts that some still have shelter.
              Well, the last, find at least one sovereign state of Indians, Aborigines of Tasmania, Australia or New Zealand at the post of British space?
              1. Curious
                Curious 9 March 2018 16: 29
                +3
                ... or the sovereign state of the Chukchi, Nenets, Buryats and other natives of Siberia.
                I mean that historical processes and events are not considered as such, with all the features, but as a background for a variety of forms of srach on the subject of "they and us." Maybe, of course, I missed something, and now the story is understood.
                1. Cat
                  Cat 9 March 2018 18: 01
                  +4
                  At the end of 80, the question was raised of creating a new union republic of Yakutia. According to the Constitution of the USSR, the population of the republic was approaching a million, there was access to the external borders so that if not the collapse of the Union .....
                  So, first of all, Viktor Nikolayevich to dunk everyone in the mud, I recall that a quarter of a century ago we were in the same boat and the story under consideration is our common !!!
                  Well, the last one! Are there many Russian-language schools left in your country? But Russians in Ukraine are the second largest nationality!
                  So it’s not sad, you yourself start pouring water on the “wheel”! What for?
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 9 March 2018 19: 11
                    +2
                    "At the end of 80, the question was raised of creating a new union republic of Yakutia."
                    Independent Yakutia (Sakha) existed for 19 years, from 1990 to 2009. And in 1993, even a kind of visa was introduced for part of the territory.
                    June 17, 2009 June deputies of the State Assembly of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) changed the constitution of the republic. The provisions on the sovereignty and citizenship of Yakutia are removed from the text of the basic law. The decision was made at the request of the Constitutional Court of Russia.
                    So the question rose and fell. Although it is not clear to me how this relates to the discussion of the colonization of Australia and Siberia.
                    I never forget about a common story, especially since a large, today, part of my life has gone into this story.
                    An objective examination of historical processes in general and individual facts in particular, without hanging labels, I do not consider dipping into mud.
                    I also did not understand a bit how the number of Russian-speaking schools relates to the discussed issue of colonization, especially since the influence on this question is personally my quite limited, but I will try to answer.
                    At the beginning of the school year, there were about 10 percent throughout Ukraine.
                    If by region, then in Lviv about 1%, in Kiev - 3%, in Odessa, Kharkov, Zaporizhzhya - about 30% of schools are Russian-speaking. If we take private schools, there are almost 50 percent, at least in our region.
                    Statistics may be with some errors, as this issue is now politically politicized beyond measure.
                    1. Cat
                      Cat 9 March 2018 21: 10
                      +3
                      There are two legal principles that establish the legal status of de jure and de facto. So, in general, bringing to a single legal field was beneficial to Russia as a whole.
                      Or would it be beneficial for the state to get to the 90th Ural Republic?
                      In the bottom line, we are one, even though there is a lot ......, but today we are together. We can think about tomorrow. It is not paradoxical, contrary to many forces from outside .., as well as within the state. And I'm not talking about the West or East or aliens, I mean the real installation of specific political elites, including fraternal Ukraine.
                      The history of Russia is not an exception or rule of development of the state. Patterns are empires are born and die, but I sincerely believe that Russia will stand. At the moment, our country is the only one that was originally multinational. Subsequently, the Moscow state became multiconfessional; these factors still exist today. They, like anchors, keep the country in balance of internal forces. Moreover, the recognition of pluralism and the federal structure is also the core, which makes it possible to show identity. So how many candidates for heads of other countries could claim the need to “regain their territory”?
                      Yeah, they still wonder why the people are against? So Victor, they won’t wait.
                      Regarding Russian schools in Ukraine, by September 1, 2018, they will remain - 0. It is sad but true, there will be another fence between us .....
                      Regards Vlad!
                      P.S. To be honest, there are enough dark spots in the history of Russia, but they are an order of magnitude smaller than that of the Britons. In this regard, Russia is no exception, see Spain and Portugal.
                    2. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 March 2018 01: 22
                      +4
                      During these 19 years in the "Republic of Sakha" (God forgive me!) There was a process of "de-Russification" of everything and everything. Almost like in the Baltics, but without slogans, and so, "silent glanders." By 2009, 3% of Russians remained in the republic, in any significant leadership positions.
                      He repeatedly said that the government of our country on the "Native American" issue for 300 years walks the rake with Native American stubbornness. I tend to declare myself a supporter of the “thin red line” policy.
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 10 March 2018 01: 42
                        +1
                        "I tend to declare myself a supporter of the" thin red line "policy.
                        Have you watched "Carry On Up the Khyber?"
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 9 March 2018 20: 36
                    +3
                    Vladislav, you will excuse me, for God's sake, but this is not the first time you have touched Viktor Nikolayevich’s citizenship. In my opinion, this is not very decent, the more I am a Martian rather than VikNick - not Russian.
                    1. Cat
                      Cat 9 March 2018 22: 09
                      +5
                      Dear Anton!
                      All fuss began because I was cursing shaving, in the opinion of Viktor Nikolaevich I do not scold my country? Although I directly said above that a quarter of a century ago we were in the same country and the mud of one oiled! Moreover, I have repeatedly said and will continue to say that Russia, which is gaining ground, has many dark ones, I’m not even afraid of the word of blood spots. Including from the Cossacks of Ukrainian blood. But unlike Tasmania, there was no direct genocide in our Fatherland. In this connection, I believe that Russia has grown less bloody lands than Britain. It was just that in Russia there was a different attitude towards foreigners, towards a different religion, etc. So nationality did not prevent the peasant Razumovsky from receiving nobility, titles and titles, as well as Semyon Bekbulatovich, Shah-Ali, Uraz-Magomed and many ethnic Tatars, Kazakhs, Germans, Georgians, Ukrainians, Poles, etc.
                      Victor Nikolaevich - Ukrainian. Do not twist it - Ukraine is a fraternal state for me, and a priori Ukrainians are not worse or better than Russians for me. Perhaps this is causing me such a sharp reaction, for which yes, Viktor Nikolayevich should apologize.
                      So the paradox is that the "exclusivity of Russian civilization" mentioned above is inherent in us equally to both Ukrainians and Belarusians.
                      Regards, Vlad!
                      1. Weyland
                        Weyland 10 March 2018 14: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Kotischa
                        Moreover, I have repeatedly said and will continue to say that Russia, which is gaining ground, has many dark ones, I’m not even afraid of the word of blood spots.

                        This question is perfectly set forth by Bushkov in “Russian America” (and, since the “brotherhood” mentality is completely feudal, he uses modernized terminology like “specific boys”, the Stroganovs hired the “correct team” of Ermak against the lawless Kuchum)): the Russian “roof” took tribute according to sable per year from the “nose”, and the local “cool” (Kuchum, Daur, Chukchi) - 5-6. Therefore, the tribes that previously paid tribute to the local “cool” passed under our “roof” quite voluntarily - but with Kuchum, daura and Chukchi had to be cut long and cruelly! So those whom we cut were not “poor lambs” either!
                        By the way, the same thing with the Spanish Conquista: the Aztecs, who sacrificed 25 thousand people a year (from vassal tribes, essno), got everyone around so that almost all Aztec neighbors instantly went over to the side of Cortes!
                      2. Mikado
                        Mikado 10 March 2018 20: 38
                        +3
                        MUCH RESPECTED AND MANY-ENDED INTERIORS! drinks
                        Let the Emperor of All Japan and other Kuril Islands intervene in your "business conversation". There is such a science - "conflict resolution". So, from my own experience, the most terrible conflicts happen from scratch, namely, when someone did not understand someone. yes When just did not understand the words. This is between colleagues and between a man and a woman (we do not consider homosexuals of different planes). laughing One said, the other did not understand, answered, switched to the individual, and are ready to kill each other. We once already had this on the site, about a year and a half ago, when Mr. Samsonov quarreled everyone with his tales. Sometimes old articles come up, and I am very pleased and bitterly read how Yevgeny Nikolayevich writes warm words to Vyacheslav Olegovich under an article about another castle, bitterly because the "personal fairy tale of some author" was enough to quarrel. recourse Do not cross the line! stop And in the next forum, try to chat about abstract things. drinks And don't forget, the world is us. As we are. And my personal world on the site exists only thanks to all of you, otherwise I would not have come here (note that this is practically the case for each of you). drinks The site is us too. drinks Yes, by the way, if anyone disobeys, I order the seppuk to do it. request am Something like this ... hi
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 March 2018 21: 09
                  +4
                  Viktor Nikolaevich, you remember, 30 years ago everything was treated exactly the same way, only with the opposite “pole” ... And what did it all result in? In the "Maidan" and "Republic of Sakha" (the latter - only mats). Now the rollback has begun. The second law of thermodynamics in action.
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 9 March 2018 23: 02
                    +2
                    Hello Anton! There is also the third law of Newton.
                    1. Cat
                      Cat 9 March 2018 23: 24
                      +4
                      Nehren, we are not Dartanyans - I directly mentioned dark spots in the history of Russia!
                      By the way, my Bashkir neighbors repeatedly slaughtered Russians, and Russians in return! To the credit of the Bashkirs, they did not start first. Everything ended after the creation of the Bashkir Cossack army!
                      My second neighbors, the Ural Tatars, not from a good life in metrics until the revolution wrote that they are Bashkirs, not Tatars!
                      Third neighbors - Pelym, where is he? There is none, and four centuries ago, Konda and the Pelym principality were a significant military force.
                      Move on...
                      There are many examples, but even for the villages cut out, not all the people were punished, but specific clans and leaders. Ordinary people often bloomed in yurts.
                      So ..... dear Victor Nikolaevich - the world! In the future, I will try not to touch with you the theme of your homeland. I hope the Greeks and you are right the story is developing in a spiral.
                      Regards, Vlad!
                      1. Weyland
                        Weyland 10 March 2018 17: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Kotischa
                        Nehren we are not Dartanyans

                        That’s for sure - where are we to this noble Gascon, he’s the same sub! To help the queen instruct the horns of the king (for a moment, he gave the oath to the king, not the queen) - noble? Gathering dirt on all three friends (just in case) is a very noble occupation! But what about the 18-year-old jerk who sleeps with woman A in order to get into the bed of woman B and find out what happened to woman B, while woman A is in mortal danger, that he does not care deeply ?!
                3. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 March 2018 22: 36
                  +3
                  By the way, when Alaska belonged to Russia, there was a continuous war between the Tlingit Indians and Russian settlers and merchants. The Indians several times carved Russian forts, killed groups of hunters. No different from Indian wars in mainland America. Due to the actual loss in this war, it was decided to sell Alaska.
                  1. Cat
                    Cat 9 March 2018 23: 27
                    +3
                    Yeah, and to the heap of their allies, the Aleuts still sold! I do not like it when they carry half-truths, half-delusions. Did Samsonov accidentally bite your heel? And then we will know how the infection is transmitted.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 10 March 2018 01: 33
                      +2
                      Accuse "Samsonism" of an Israeli citizen?!?!?! It will be difficult ...
                      1. Cat
                        Cat 10 March 2018 05: 29
                        +3
                        The point is the approach!
                        The narrative is on a barrel of truth, a bucket of lies, and finally a deceitful conclusion.
                        The reasons for the loss of Alaska were completely different. The above is possible if it was, then its place in the third or fourth ten !!!
                    2. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 10 March 2018 13: 56
                      +1
                      Because of the Aleuts, the Russo-Tlingit war began. Under the "cover" of the Russian Aleuts began to expand their lands, running into the Indians.
                      To defeat the Tlingit, the Russians needed solid armed reinforcements. But they were not there.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 10 March 2018 10: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Due to the actual loss in this war, it was decided Selling Alaska.

                    Indians sold?
                    No, they were sold to those who turned out to be stronger in this region. Because they were losing.
                    There were two possibilities: either give away for free or take at least something.
                  3. Weyland
                    Weyland 10 March 2018 13: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Due to the actual loss in this war, it was decided to sell Alaska.

                    why would it be a loss? The Tlingitites were not just pacified - they were successfully Christianized, and to this day they are Orthodox, and not some Protestants, although they have lived under pin-dos twice as long as they lived under Russians!
                    By the way, the Tlingits were still those scumbags: they are the closest relatives of the Apaches - the only tribe that shed more white blood than their own! But the Chukchi were even cooler: they often plundered even the Tlingit!
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 10 March 2018 22: 20
                      +1
                      Thanks for the details about the Tlingit - interesting. drinks
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 10 March 2018 22: 35
                +2
                "slamming the door the British empire left such gifts" ////

                Slamming the door in Palestine, the British Empire left us a well-functioning state mechanism and developed infrastructure. Like the Indians. The mechanism that we (like the Indians) made excellent use of, replacing the signs. This is a pattern: those countries that were British colonies are the most developed in their regions.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 March 2018 23: 06
                  +1
                  Perhaps Jews and Palestinians consider the seventy-year-old conflict a sweet communal brawl (though I didn't think so). However, Indians with Pakistanis are more acutely worried about the problem left by the British - Jama and Kashmir.
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 March 2018 23: 10
                  +1
                  Was Palestine a British colony?
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 11 March 2018 02: 18
                    0
                    It was. From 1918 to 1948 (British Mandate). And the Arab-Israeli conflict is foolish to shove the British. No matter how they divide the territory, a war would inevitably arise. The Jewish state seemed too alien to the Arabs. This fully applies to the Muslim-Hindu conflict.
                    Hindus and Muslims have been at enmity since ancient times, and the British government was just holding back steam. As soon as the British left - burst through.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 11 March 2018 15: 19
                      +1
                      I believed that the mandated territory and the colony are somewhat different in status.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 10 March 2018 10: 46
            +1
            Quote: Kotischa
            Not always and not all.

            I agree, I’m writing that it’s “often,” which means that it’s not always.

            And exactly Russia in this regard, a unique and inimitable country where almost everything has been preserved.

            The Englishman described the difference in land development between England and Russia: if we, they say, force and force, then the Russians settle, make friends, become their local, and the locals are equal with the Russians. hi
  4. Monarchist
    Monarchist 9 March 2018 13: 43
    +2
    Quote: Vard
    All pious western inhabitants in the family have a bandit from the highway ....

    Not only the western ones. And our ancestors in the ancestors are only geltmen? It may well be that the great-grandfather of one of the current oligarchs in the Civil was engaged in expropriation, or do you think that everything was unambiguous there? I don’t like to refer to fiction, but still I will give one example: Bushkov’s “revenge of an antique dealer”. The author in all his books tries to be objective in assessing the past and present. By this, he is more impressed with me than Friedrich Neznansky "Turkish March" or Leonov "Gurov", these authors sense the situation and wrote accordingly
  5. NF68
    NF68 9 March 2018 14: 40
    +1
    + + + + + + + + + +
  6. Snail N9
    Snail N9 9 March 2018 14: 57
    +3
    The cool thing is that in Australia gold is still in some places in external placers, right on the surface. That is, nuggets are lying right on the ground and they are searched for by ordinary metal detectors ....
    1. Cat
      Cat 9 March 2018 16: 26
      +5
      In the Urals, at the end of the century before last, a diamond was found near the Atig mining village. We decided to check the present or not. Someone put forward the idea that the diamond "break the horseradish." Well, in a dope they stuck it under a hammer with a water-driven hammer. Naturally diamond to dust. Later diamonds were found repeatedly in the floodplain of the Bolshoi Tig River, and they were "checked". For half a century, more than one diamond has not passed the test. But the Atig gamayuns had a fairy tale "about fake diamonds"! In the fifties of the last century, children found a "fake diamond" with a match head and brought to school. When it became known that the diamond was real, more than half of the village went into hard drinking - with grief !!!
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 9 March 2018 21: 28
        0
        There are many loose diamond deposits in the Urals (the remains of the “pipes” that have broken up since the Mesozoic)
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 10 March 2018 13: 59
        0
        Quote: Kotischa
        For half a century, more than one diamond failed

        Just like the Swiss who seized the tent of Karl the Bold, not one of his rather big diamonds passed a check with a hammer ... But they lived almost 500 years earlier! laughing
  7. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 9 March 2018 21: 27
    +1
    Not in Cleveland, but in Queensland.
  8. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 March 2018 06: 53
    +1
    Curious,
    No, I didn’t look. I'm talking about a phrase that has become a symbol of British colonial policy.
    1. Curious
      Curious 10 March 2018 09: 06
      +2
      And you can source. Because I met that this expression was born in the Crimean War, in 1854, when the 93rd Scottish infantry regiment of the Highlanders repulsed a cavalry attack near Balaklava. Then The Thin Red Line appeared.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 10 March 2018 09: 31
        +2
        Quote: Curious
        And you can source. Because I met that this expression was born in the Crimean War, in 1854, when the 93rd Scottish infantry regiment of the Highlanders repulsed a cavalry attack near Balaklava. Then The Thin Red Line appeared.




        The authorship is owned by Times correspondent William H. Russell, who watched the attack from Sapoon Gora and wrote in the report that there was nothing between the attacking Russians and the British camp in Balaclava except for this “thin red streak tipped with a line of steel” (《thin red lines bristling
        steel》)
        1. Curious
          Curious 10 March 2018 10: 27
          0
          I meant who first applied this expression to British colonial policy.
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 10 March 2018 14: 02
          0
          Quote: Town Hall
          there was nothing between the attacking Russians and the British camp in Balaclava other than this “thin red streak tipped with a line of steel”

          because the Cossacks - masters of the ambush - overestimated the enemy’s cunning and decided that the "red line" is so thin because there is a rather big ambush behind it! laughing
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 March 2018 18: 50
        +2
        I can’t name the source. I met with Heinlein, a big lover of redrawing quotes, in exactly the same sense. In that edition there were a lot of comments by A. Balabukha, who in detail examined the literary balance sheets of the old militarist. I learned about the battle near Balaclava much later.
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 March 2018 13: 59
    0
    Cat,
    I do not claim that this war was the MAIN reason for the sale of Alaska. But one of the significant factors: military reinforcements were needed. And because of the remoteness of the terrain, they could not be delivered.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 10 March 2018 18: 08
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But one of the significant factors: military reinforcements were needed. And because of the remoteness of the terrain, they could not be delivered.

      yes - the garrison was only 700 people. But they didn’t sell it because of the Tlingit, but because .... they found gold! California was a sad example before our eyes - there were enough 700 people for Tlingit, but for a million or two well-armed adventurers?