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David Goldfein - Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force. This man is looking through the sky. Peeps into the blackness of space. It is in space that he is preparing to fight. After a few years, the war in space will become a reality. Therefore, Washington should achieve superiority among the stars.




A note for special readers who like to shout: “Nonsense! Fake! Dumb humor! Lies! The author smoked! .. " The statements of the General Staff are not satire or fiction. About the future wars in space writes respected and quite serious edition of "Space News". The author of the publication is Sandra Erwin. Link to the source: here it is.

As for Goldfein himself, he told about wars in space not in the kitchen after evening whiskey, but at the next Air Warfare Association symposium in Orlando, Florida. And his main message was not to surprise the participants of the symposium with space military ideas, but to designate the topic of “investments” that would be needed to translate these ideas into reality.

Air Force commander Goldfein insists: the United States will "fight" for supremacy in space. According to the military official, to prepare for a war in space, the US Air Force needs new technology and needs retraining of commanders. This is what investment is required for.

The speech of General Goldfein turned out to be the strongest speech on the topic of "space wars", the newspaper notes. Space war has become an area that deserves "special attention from the US Air Force." Mr Goldfein told the audience consisting of flight personnel that they need to “start thinking about outer space just as they think about air space.”

According to the general, “for us, the military, regardless of specialties, it's time to strive for supremacy in space.” The pilots will have to strive for excellence "with the same zeal" as they demonstrate today "with regard to air superiority."

True, the chief of staff made a reservation: as long as we are not talking about that, the pilots will fly into a battle into space. But at the same time, warned Goldfein, the Air Force must be more thoroughly tuned in to what is happening in space. Space should be viewed as a place for future battles.

“I believe that in a few years we will wage war from space,” he said. “And we are the same branch of the military, which must lead joint military operations in this new disputed area.” This is demanded by the people! ”

Goldfein, recalls the publication, and before making such statements, speaking here and there. However, this time he adhered to much more decisive rhetoric when he spoke about the role of the Air Force in space war.

The broader premise of the general is that the Air Force must understand how to combine "air, space and the cybersphere." Only in this way a “complete picture” of the conflict will be obtained, the chief of staff believes. Goldfein clarified something: he noted that the US Air Force will have to “play at a catch-up level,” because cyberspace and space are becoming more and more “contested areas."

Goldfein is known as a proponent of "multilateral operations" and the idea that to win in future wars, headquarters requires intelligence from all "spaces": air, cybersphere, land, sea and space. The general is "looking forward" to discuss the topic of using new technologies. What technologies, he did not report, but said about the investment.

To prepare for a space war, the Air Force needs to invest in new technologies and in the training of commanders. Goldfein has already commissioned Lt. Gen. Steven Kwast, the commander of the air training unit, to develop a training program for officers and junior command personnel to conduct "space operations."

The strategy of switching the Air Force to space is also reflected in the budget proposal for the 2019 fiscal year, writes Sandra Erwin.

According to budget documents, the Air Force is “seeking” 8,5 billion for “space programs”: 5,9 billion for research and development and 2,6 billion for purchasing and launching new satellites. Air Force requests for 2019 fiscal year on 7,1% more than last year.

Over the next five years, the US Air Force plans to “invest” 44,3 billion in space systems: 31,5 billion dollars for research and development and 12,8 billion dollars for purchases. This would mean an increase in expenditure of 18% compared with the previous 5-year plan (37,5 billion dollars), which was announced last year.

But will the US Air Force be able to conduct military operations in space and from space? Other Russian experts strongly doubt this.

Retired Colonel Viktor Litovkin commented on the speeches of the chief of staff of the US Air Force and noted that war in space is fundamentally impossible.

“I think,” he said radio. "Sputnik"- that the war in space is basically impossible, since it can mean the death of mankind. Therefore, Russia is seeking, through the United Nations (together, by the way, with China), the adoption of an international law banning the deployment weapons in space. And the statements of the American generals and admirals on this occasion speak of only one thing: their appetites are constantly growing. The US Army has already received a record budget, but I would like to receive more. ”

Litovkin believes that claims to world domination never ended well. Historical experience shows that such attempts can "end in disaster for those who started it all." But today, the US military "does not think about it," suggested a military expert.

They think, we note, they are about something else. About the Russians and the Chinese, who set out to "militarize the cosmos."

Shortly before David Goldfein's speech, Daniel Coats, director of US national intelligence, spoke. According to him, Russia and China are going to implement plans for the military use of outer space.

Coates's report was read on February 13. It was also published on the website of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The document contains allegations that the activity of Russia and China in space is a world threat. According to Coates, Beijing and Moscow will “combine” diplomatic efforts to preserve international agreements on the peaceful status of outer space with building up the potential for a space war.

“Russia and China continue to promote international agreements on the non-deployment of weapons in space and on the“ absence of the first deployment ”of weapons in space. However, many types of weapons will not fall under the scope of these agreements, and this will allow them to increase the potential for waging space warfare, publicly insisting that space should remain a peaceful area, ”Coates report quotes IA "REGNUM".

As we see, the reason for the arms race in space has been found. Russian and Chinese declared cunning enemies of the world in outer space.

For the Pentagon it does not matter whether a war is possible in space or not. Clearly, President Trump is following in the footsteps of Reagan. And new "star wars" will be announced soon. Spending on "defense" needs in the United States is growing rapidly with the appetites of the military and military-industrial enterprises, and few would be surprised if the Pentagon starts building something like the Death Star.

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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 7 March 2018 06: 26
    +4
    Against this background, a statement of GDP should follow, with a demonstration of a cartoon about our space interceptors and cruisers. I wonder where then the Americans will rush? to deep space? or underground? what
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 7 March 2018 06: 40
      +5
      I wonder where then the Americans will rush? to deep space? or underground?
      I think that after a real demonstration they will begin to dig bunkers in their penthouses.
      How much has been said that the United States understands only the cult of power which it itself adheres to.
      It’s enough, for example, to conduct exercises off the coast of FLORIDA with the launch of the Caliber towards the terrorists hehe ISIS somewhere in the Atlantic ... I believe in the United States will begin a massive insanity after that.
    2. ZHIGAN
      ZHIGAN 7 March 2018 06: 44
      +5
      Shoigu recently broadcast .. "We will create a modern constellation of satellites" only when not specified! request Until 2020, little time is left, and before 2030 he is probably afraid to look stupid ...
      1. Darkesstcat
        Darkesstcat 7 March 2018 13: 35
        +1
        Maybe let the current finish?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 11 March 2018 10: 53
          0
          Maybe let them decide what they need there?
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 11 March 2018 14: 02
            +1
            Quote: Mestny
            Maybe let them decide what they need there?

            Who! Americans? Do you think that after the GDP spoke about the new weapons of Russia they can create something more powerful? They are now jammed. Advice to them: Re-melt everything that is useless: ground-based, aviation weapons with missile defense missiles together with your marine fleet, which is also useless with all the AUGs, to space fighters and bombers! Well, we will continue to create the S-500, for now. Yes, and the lunar orbital station too.
      2. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 11 March 2018 14: 04
        0
        Quote: GIGAN
        Shoigu was broadcasting the other day ..

        This is one of the HPP, let it broadcast and distract thereby.
    3. max702
      max702 11 March 2018 13: 32
      0
      We will help them by selling RD-180 .. And then they don’t have their own ..
  2. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 7 March 2018 06: 44
    +2
    “I believe,” he told Sputnik Radio, “that war in space is in principle impossible, because it could mean the death of mankind .... Victor Litovkin (s)


    A strange opinion, the death of mankind has never stopped the development of deadly weapons, including weapons of mass destruction. Does another question apply it, but everything can be) the risk of using nuclear weapons, by the way, also remains, although it will also mean the death of mankind and military experts will seriously discuss such options ...... and the statement by the US Air Force chief of staff is very interesting, and the war in space this is a matter of time, although in my opinion it is not a matter of a couple of years, but rather a couple of decades, but some elements can probably be used today, and military investments in this area are really justified. It is necessary for our people to take a good look at Cosmos as a theater of war) and treaties to prohibit war in space ... who cares? Well, the US will break these pieces of paper, not in the first, but the rest will either have to come to terms or use the same methods.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 March 2018 11: 23
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      the death of mankind has never stopped the development of deadly weapons

      In 1958, the United States developed a secret project, during which it was planned to detonate an atomic bomb on the moon. The explosion was planned to be arranged on the shaded side of the moon. The idea was that the nuclear mushroom would be illuminated by the Sun, causing terror on the axis of "evil" - the USSR. A nuclear explosion on the moon did not materialize. Because they realized that the additional heat of sunlight reflected from the products of the explosion thrown into space would evaporate the oceans on Earth after some time ..
      http://naspravdi.info/istoriya/o-tom-kak-ssha-pla
      nirovali-vzorvat-na-lune-atomnuyu-bombu
    2. Plate
      Plate 11 March 2018 17: 56
      0
      And it would be nice to see someone's space fleet through 5-10. Then, perhaps, active space exploration will begin. Because while experience says that the most rapidly developing are those high-tech spheres that are very interesting to the military.
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 7 March 2018 06: 51
    0
    Sobssno, nothing new was open to us, all this back in the days of Reagan’s grandfather, it was actively moving forward, and now only dust was blown away from the old folders and new ones were added to the old ravings, taking into account the scientific and technological progress over the past 30 years, and with the addition of China as a real threat to the states.
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 7 March 2018 07: 24
    0
    They have an X-37, they say that it is a "flying laboratory": it constantly flies, and for a long time. It is not known what kind of samples may appear as a result of this work. How it is unknown what it does in orbit and how many of these "laboratories" they have now. According to satellites China could become an uncomfortable adversary or an “ally” to them (here’s how the map will fall, because the interests of these two largest economies are similar --- divide the world).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 March 2018 08: 59
      0
      Rather, the X 37 is a prototype - a mini laboratory, to create a new transport system - more reliable and cheaper than the Shuttle.
  5. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 7 March 2018 08: 04
    +1
    Actually, this is why we now have this kind of troops called the VKS.
  6. Engineer
    Engineer 7 March 2018 08: 17
    0
    With 49% serviceable F-22, they only dream about the stars
  7. krops777
    krops777 7 March 2018 08: 39
    0
    David Goldfein - US Air Force Chief of Staff. This man is looking through the sky. Looks into the blackness of space. It is in space that he is preparing to fight


    At the time of Reagan, the Americans were smarter than they knew perfectly well that they would not pull the SDI, so I want to ask, but the navel will not untie, will you overdo it?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 March 2018 09: 01
      0
      With an annual military budget of a trillion, they will tear themselves away.
  8. Charik
    Charik 7 March 2018 08: 51
    0
    In the meantime, they are shooting down our planes in Syria and will be shooting down in space
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 11 March 2018 10: 55
      -1
      Oh, another troll from parallel reality.
      ... damn it, it would be more likely that the elections had already passed ...
      1. myrzilka
        myrzilka 11 March 2018 13: 29
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        damn, most likely the elections would have passed ..

        And what will change? ...
        1. Charik
          Charik 11 March 2018 17: 21
          0
          it seems to him that after the election, reality will change
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn 7 March 2018 08: 58
    0
    In the 80s there were rumors that star wars were the work of the committee. We leaked a set of failed works of our scientists, and made the Western ones fuss about in vain. Now the technological situation is different, but ... everything can be.
  10. Alexander.
    Alexander. 7 March 2018 09: 33
    0
    if possible, it is necessary to slow down and limit as much as possible the work of the us in the space direction, otherwise they will embody their ambitions to seize world domination, I have no doubt that if the us succeed in the space industry, then threats from them will not take long
  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 7 March 2018 12: 00
    +3
    Space technology is not developing now. There are two reasons for this. Firstly, there is no engine capable of pulling a noticeable mass out of a planetary gravity well, at a reasonable cost. Missiles are a complete dead end. It is unlikely that the development of "space planes" also makes sense, that is, jump as much as possible on the jet engine, and then switch to rocket. It will be cheaper ... or maybe it won’t. A lot of dead cargo, rocket engines and fuel are monstrously heavy and all this does not facilitate.
    Secondly, there is no protection. Why did the USSR come to terms with the American lunar fake? I got a lot, of course, but some preferences would never have inspired the then leadership to take this step, we also need a negative reason, and a powerful one. Why didn’t we fly and generally curtailed the program? It’s hard to build. But it’s easy to crush! The United States, of course, did not have the slightest opportunity to launch real research and work. They don’t have an engine. Then it was not and now it is not ...
    But they could always destroy our programs, for this special mind and supertechnology are not needed. Download photos of what a simple piece of plastic does with a metal plate when the orbits match. The relative speeds in space are very easy to make huge. And a handful of plastic dust can smash armor into shreds of half a meter thick. To destroy an entire space city, a modest rocket is enough, which is now putting microsatellites into orbit. Well, a little math ...
    Orbits should be regularly seeded with space mines - simple balls with metal filling such as balls, a package of shunting engines and a computer with a good antenna. And there is a software package in case of a long loss of communication. All Star Wars will end before it begins, and it’s unrealistic to prove whose balls were hit by a super cruiser.
    To start space exploration, you must first get a fundamentally different engine. One that now does not exist at all. And for protection, you need to either really, and not with the help of nonsense, learn how to manage the structure of the substance, which we don’t know at the moment (since we don’t understand at all what this substance is), or create a package of fields that can protect our objects . And what kind of thing is this - a certain field, we also do not understand this at all. We take some characteristics of the electromagnetic field, but our theories do not describe it. There is a lot of math, but there is no understanding, so everything is bad here too.
    In general, for the next civilization leap, NEW physics is needed. The existing 30 has completely died.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 March 2018 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      To start space exploration, you must first get a fundamentally different engine

      This is an engine with external heating of the working fluid with a microwave beam.
      Several microwave (approximately 10..30) active phased arrays (PAR) are located on the Earth’s surface at a distance of 100 km from each other under the trajectory of an aerodynamic object, such as a Shuttle, accelerated in the upper atmosphere at altitudes of 30 km. As one HEADLAND moves away, another HEADLIGHT takes over the heating of the working fluid under the Shuttle. So the distance from the next headlamp to the shuttle all the time remains about 100..100 km. The power of each headlamp in the beam is several hundred megawatts. PAR - can consist of a field of rotary antennas operating as a single phased array at a frequency of from 150 to 10 GHz,
      but it may look like a rotary radar of the Voronezh type, in which the beam direction is controlled by choosing the phase shifts of individual emitters leading to the antenna array.Power supply PAR - from SPIN - superconducting inductive energy storage. The Shuttle itself is not necessarily with wings - maybe without wings, such as a disk-shaped flying saucer, recently made in Ulyanovsk
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 7 March 2018 14: 38
        0
        Ah ... Uh ... are you serious ?! Let me quote the classics - "it is as safe as flying to the moon by inserting a dynamite checker into ... uh ... generally fly on a dynamite checker."
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 7 March 2018 18: 03
          0
          It is necessary to fly into space. Living is not necessary. All will die sooner or later. Someone before, in Challenger and Colombia, someone later. Do not be afraid. There is no dynamite and explosive mixture of hydrogen with oxygen in this airship.
      2. MoJloT
        MoJloT 7 March 2018 15: 41
        0
        Sir, you are about to launch an airship into space. (Musk lit up nervously on the sidelines)
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 7 March 2018 17: 53
          0
          Monsieur, this is really an inflatable thermal airship! But with a heat-resistant shell made of carbon fiber (Kevlar) with heat-protective ablating coating. Inflatable shells are now in full swing at the International Space Station ISS.
          1. MoJloT
            MoJloT 12 March 2018 09: 52
            0
            Inflatable shells are now in full swing at the international space station

            Maybe, but don’t be shy, an airship in space is your know-how!
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 7 March 2018 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Missiles are a complete dead end.

      Here it is necessary to clarify the impasse - chemical fuel rockets.
      Quote: Mikhail3
      To start space exploration, you must first get a fundamentally different engine.

      Will a nuclear engine fit?
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 7 March 2018 19: 05
        0
        No, it doesn’t. Like the super microwave proposed above, these are ways to spoil the habitat in such a way that after a couple of dozen starts you will have to escape from a poisoned planet.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 7 March 2018 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          No, it doesn’t. Like the super microwave proposed above, these are ways to spoil the habitat in such a way that after a couple of dozen starts you will have to escape from a poisoned planet.

          Do not confuse the sinful with the righteous. This "super microwave" is physically impossible, nuclear missiles can actually be built and fly into space and there is no alternative to them. And if you are so concerned about the environment - build a spaceport in Antarctica.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 8 March 2018 13: 06
            0
            And there, in Antarctica, a vacuum, or something.
            Quote: Setrac
            ecology is so worried

            In my opinion, you are a little sick ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 8 March 2018 13: 20
              0
              Quote: Mikhail3
              And there, in Antarctica, a vacuum, or something.

              If you skipped georgafia in childhood, these are your personal problems, do not blame them on others.
              1. Tatar 174
                Tatar 174 11 March 2018 14: 23
                0
                And what do you think: Why is China striving for Africa? There is an equator. This is me on the issue of rocket launches into space. Previously, coal was the fuel i.e. carbon, and in the future, diamonds can become fuel, also carbon, albeit in a different form than coal. And if you learn to “burn” diamonds or use them somehow, how much energy can you get? There are many diamonds in Africa.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 11 March 2018 14: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: Tatar 174
                  And if you learn to "burn" diamonds ...

                  Discuss this with Gridasov. Required yes
                2. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 11 March 2018 15: 00
                  0
                  There is a “wall strength problem”. No need to burn diamonds, leave us the files, please). It is quite possible to make the mixture thicker, and raise the parameters of the rocket engine without extreme jewelry. The wall just can't stand it.
                  The wall of the working chamber. The existing materials are not strong enough to withstand the temperatures and pressures that we can create right now. But the impasse of the missile principle will still not solve it.
        2. Plate
          Plate 11 March 2018 18: 04
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          No, it doesn’t. Like the super microwave proposed above, these are ways to spoil the habitat in such a way that after a couple of dozen starts you will have to escape from a poisoned planet.

          Start on chemical engines. Why not? They are quite enough for launching rather large cargoes into near-Earth orbit, the same Energy in the 100 tons area removed, Saturn-5 about 140 tons. That is, to enter the Earth orbit, chemical engines are enough. And already in space to cut nuclear. There you can not be afraid to pollute with radiation, everything is already saturated with it.
    3. Klaus
      Klaus 11 March 2018 02: 14
      +1
      All right. Rockets based on the reactive principle and chemical fuel rested on their natural ceiling of development, as at one time the propeller thrust on the galleys.
      With NRE - very significant environmental problems on Earth, and no less big problems with cooling in space. A megawatt-class nuclear propulsion reactor in space will have an impressive appearance, due to drip cooling refrigerators. And except for the role of the interorbital tugboat inside the asteroid belt, no role is visible to him. And then, with a big stretch.
      As for physics and chemistry - I also agree. What is studied in textbooks has lost relevance, not even 30 years, but all 50. And until now there is no single understanding about the structure of the atom and the interaction of subatomic particles. Consequently, no clear concept of the theory of fields and matter, and even more so - gravity, simply does not exist.
      The effectiveness of laser weapons is greatly exaggerated: maybe Star Wars with lightsabers and blasters is raging somewhere in a distant galaxy far away ... but our "Star War" will be primitive nuclear cudgels, maximum in low Earth orbit - meaningless and merciless.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 11 March 2018 10: 58
        -1
        With existing technologies for launching, the only way out is plants in orbit. For 30 years of hard work by all mankind, they could be built.
  12. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 7 March 2018 14: 12
    +2
    Yeah. They were going to fight in space ... On our engines? laughing
    First learn how to deliver people to the ISS on your own, general's kamarada. Not to mention the fact that the use of outer space for wars on the planet is nonsense, threatening the existence of this very planet in general as a whole cosmic body.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 March 2018 23: 06
      0
      And they have missiles for launching heavy orbital combat platforms - on their engines, everything depends on money, they want to do it.
  13. astill07
    astill07 8 March 2018 03: 13
    0
    No matter who shows or says, the scientific and technical search will continue. No matter what.
    Moreover, there are more and more signs that the Americans have already decided (for themselves),
    - a military clash with the Russian Federation or the Russian Federation + China, inevitably (desirable).
    Conversations "for us", for our audience, that war in space is impossible, posk. "inhuman" have no meaning and value.
    On the contrary, we must try to combine the search work of practitioners of military-technical design with as many scientists as possible
    in the "fundamental" fields of science
    to find really new, from the point of view of physics, chemistry, etc., localized effects on specific species of living and nonliving
    nature. From near space, including.
  14. KBACYPA
    KBACYPA 8 March 2018 05: 44
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    Quote: Mikhail3
    Orbits should be regularly sown with space mines - simple balls with metal filling

    One or two of these mines and mankind will not come into space in the coming centuries. Everything that can reach the orbit will stupidly stray. Absolutely everything, but to wait until these balls themselves fall - just three or four centuries. Unless to run the blanks, so that they take the filling on themselves and do not give shards. But how many of these blanks will be needed to clear the orbit. And if these mines block several orbits? Not like the last “door slam” will come off, but so it’s in FIG.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 8 March 2018 13: 10
      0
      There is such an interesting section of knowledge - mathematics. Allows, suddenly, orbits to count. Including so that the "spent" balls fell into the gravity well.
      1. ML-334
        ML-334 11 March 2018 10: 31
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        Man is given the ability to move in space and time, but God blocked this property and not only this, for violating the commandments of God. You see for yourself, all the advanced technologies for killing your own kind.
  15. shinobi
    shinobi 8 March 2018 06: 34
    0
    Well, in response, they’ve resuscitated a cluster-type anti-satellite satellite program. NW carriers, such as an orbital bus. Space-based combat lasers that we only had. At that time, the Yankees would cut the appropriations, wipe out, and ask for negotiations. As it was already. The laser station may even and not needed.
  16. emwave
    emwave 9 March 2018 15: 23
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    This seems to be another US response to a GDP statement on new types of weapons in Russia.
    I also have news ... where is the specifics, Mr. General? Finish already F-35 ...
  17. zyzx
    zyzx 10 March 2018 14: 26
    0
    As for Goldfein himself, he spoke about wars in space not in the kitchen after an evening whiskey, but at the next symposium of the Air Force Association
    AND? They have a whole president speaking out not that at the symposium, before the whole nation he was broadcasting about star wars. They called Reagan. Where are they, lasers in space, combat satellites.
  18. 1536
    1536 11 March 2018 10: 36
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    It is not clear what kind of “war in Space” the Pentagon general is talking about. Crazy at all, or grandchildren replaced the secret CD-ROM with the annual report of the military headquarters on a CD with the movie "Star Wars. Last hope"?
    The space groups of satellites are so unprotected, the satellites themselves are so fragile that, in my opinion of an amateur, the old Soviet method of spraying several kilograms of “weaving” nails in various enemy orbits will be a very effective technique.
    For fans of "cartoons from GDP", you can demonstrate such a nail in close-up and even show its production "from and to." The cost of such a multi-roller is also not required. So "Uncle, say five. ... DK again." a very relevant joke.
  19. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 11 March 2018 13: 15
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    So soon we will have work, otherwise we’re tired of doing nails, we’ll deal with shrapnel.
  20. Yarik
    Yarik 11 March 2018 13: 23
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    Nothing will work without Ripley. We have already seen. laughing wassat
  21. segamegament
    segamegament 11 March 2018 20: 27
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    And are they going to get into space on our RD-180? )))))))
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 13 March 2018 15: 18
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      Unfortunately, the era of concussion of the “trampolines" has almost come to an end. RD 180 was good, but time does not stand still. There, they have the Blue engine engaged with might and main, and Space He is also not far behind ...