Sniper pistol from the Czech Republic. 7.5 FK Field Pistol

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In 2015, Czech armory FK Brno Engineering showed its new gun and ammunition to the general public. The new weapon hit not only with its original appearance, but also with unprecedented performance in accuracy. It was stated that at a distance of 100 meters, you can confidently hit a target with a diameter of 10 centimeters. For a pistol, such indicators were simply fantastic.

The weapon immediately attracted attention and overgrown with rumors, and sometimes outright fantasies that did not correspond to reality. Let's try to get acquainted with this gun in more detail, and at the same time give it a more or less adequate assessment.



New ammunition for the gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol - cartridge 7,5x27

If to be consistent, then you need to start to get acquainted with the new weapon from the ammunition, since it is the cartridge that lays down the main characteristics and possible further development of the structure. In this case, the acquaintance must be started with the cartridge also because the ammunition is new, not previously used in another weapon.



The new ammunition, with the metric designation 7,5х27, is a bottle-shaped sleeve, with a millimeter 10,8 bottom diameter, and a long bullet deep in it, which, depending on the version, weighs from 6,17 to 6,67 gram. The powder charge of the new cartridge accelerates the bullet to 610 meters per second, that is, the kinetic energy of the missile projectile in the most "heavy" performance of more than 1200 Joule. At a distance of 100 meters, the speed of a bullet drops to 465 meters per second, respectively, its kinetic energy is already less - about 700 Joule, which many common rounds for pistols do not reach, even at the moment of departure from the barrel.



Another reason why acquaintance with a weapon should be started with ammunition is the accuracy of a pistol. No matter how unique and perfect the design of the weapon would be, it is impossible to achieve acceptable accuracy in it, without the appropriate ammunition, even at a distance of 100 meters. Looking ahead, you can immediately say that it is thanks to the cartridge that such unprecedented indicators of firing accuracy are achieved.



Work on the new ammunition was begun in the 2010 year, for five years the designers not only changed the shape of the liner, the powder composition, but also tested a variety of bullets. In the first place for designers was the high accuracy of the new ammunition, which explains the length of the bullet. With a short body, a bullet would just be unstable. But, in addition to accuracy, it was necessary to provide the new ammunition with armor-piercing qualities, while retaining the sufficient striking ability of the bullet. In other words, the designers have done a tremendous amount of work, although it took almost five years to do it.



Looking at the 7,5x28 ammunition, one cannot get rid of the thought of the external similarity of the new cartridge with our domestic 7,62x25. This similarity was instantly picked up by many, the fruit of an infinite number of not the most reasonable statements about apparent identity. In fact, the cartridges are completely different, both in their metric parameters and in other characteristics, and they have nothing in common.

Undoubtedly, the cartridge 7,62х25 - this is ammunition, which, as it is fashionable to say, ahead of its time. Even now, on the basis of the old cartridge for the TT, you can make quite a modern one that would be ideally suited for the same army pistol, but so far they are not doing this, at least such information is not publicly available.



Is it possible to make a cartridge, similar in its characteristics 7,5x27, based on the cartridge 7,62x25? Of course, it is possible, only for this it is necessary to change the liner to a more durable one, replace the bullet and the powder charge. From the old ammunition will only metric characteristics. Do not forget that under such ammunition will need and new weapons, as the old samples, firstly, the old, and secondly, will not be able to work with more powerful ammunition.

Well, to finally convince that the new Czech cartridge is not 7,62x25, the following characteristics of our ammunition can be cited. The diameter of the bottom of the liner is 9,84 millimeter, the height of the liner is 25,1 millimeter. A bullet can have a mass from 5,49 to 5,52 gram. The initial speed of a bullet when firing a TT pistol, from 420 to 500 meters per second. Accordingly, the kinetic energy of the bullet will be a maximum of about 700 Joule at the muzzle of the gun, while the same 700 Joule has a bullet 7,5х27, having covered a distance of 100 meters.



In other words, the comparison of the new Czech cartridge, and even more so the search for its roots in the domestic 7,62x25 munition, is at least incorrect. Czech ammunition is a completely new cartridge.

At the end, I would like to add the data on ballistics, but the manufacturer does not yet provide them.

Balanced automatic gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol

Another noteworthy misconception is the presence of balanced automation in the 7.5 FK Field Pistol. High rates of accuracy and accuracy of fire from weapons immediately led many to the idea that the gun itself was not at all simple. They added fuel to the fire and the statements of the manufacturer that the recoil of the weapon is less than that of the pistols using a sufficiently powerful cartridge .45АСР + Р. At the presentation, everybody asserted that the design of the weapon allows minimizing throwing up when firing. All this, together with the presence of a large tide under the barrel, gave rise to a wrong opinion about the design of the pistol.



Having put together “one plus one”, many made a completely logical and even reasonable conclusion about the design of the new 7.5 FK Field Pistol. The train of thought was right: the pistol is more accurate than other weapons of this class, the pistol is more stable when firing, the pistol has a small return - a balanced automatic system is used in the pistol.

Indeed, weapons with balanced automatics are more comfortable in firing and precise, but not always, by folding “one plus one”, you can get “two”. It all depends on the calculation system, and the 7.5 FK Field Pistol is exactly this case.

In fairness it should be noted that the designers themselves initially looked in the direction of a balanced automation system, but still at the design stage of the weapon. During the search for the optimal design, variants with removal of powder gases from the barrel bore were tested, where the powder gases not only set the bolt group in motion, but also pushed the balance bar under the barrel to balance the movement of the bolt group back. Such an automation system had to be abandoned due to the high cost of production, the complexity of maintenance and the overall low reliability of the system, even for small soils.



The automation system with a semi-free shutter with locking rollers and a variety of ways to transfer energy from the gate group to the balance bar was also considered. But this had to be abandoned for the same reasons.

Information on the development of new weapons in different ways was provided online, and by the time the finished product was presented, a description could be found of up to three options for various automation systems, confirmed by colorful pictures. Apparently this was the reason why in many weapon forums you can still meet people who are confident that a balanced automation system is used in the 7.5 FK Field Pistol. In fact, the design of weapons less exotic, but this will be slightly lower.

The appearance and ergonomics of the gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol

The appearance of the gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol is not quite normal. Separately, the tide stands out in the frame of the weapon under the barrel, which makes the already not very small gun visually even larger. Many compare this weapon with the "Desert Eagle". Undoubtedly, the dimensions and unusual appearance distinguish the 7.5 FK Field Pistol against the background of others, but the pistols have nothing in common with the design or appearance.



It is interesting that the gun is devoid of any sharp edges, which makes it less “brutal”, but more convenient to operate. Despite the fairly long ammunition, the designers tried to make the handle of the weapon as convenient as possible for a reliable grip, due to grooves under the index finger and tapering from above. To protect the hands from the housing-bolt in the process of shooting and increasing the area of ​​support weapons there is a full-sized "beaver tail."

On the casing-gate there are small notches for a confident grip in both the front and rear parts. Separately, it is worth noting sights, which are represented entirely and front sight in the version of the company Brno, called "The Butterfly Sing". Rear sight can be replaced by another suitable for the seat. It can be removed altogether, and a collimator sight can be installed in its place.

It is impossible not to notice the magazine's eject button protruding from the weapon's frame. It can be rearranged to the side convenient for the shooter. Actually, this is the only element that makes the weapon comfortable for left-handers and right-handers. Too much height of the button above the surface of the pistol frame suggests that not all 7.5 FK Field Pistol holsters will be “friends”, accidental pressing the button to remove the magazine is not excluded. But if you need fast reloading, it is simply impossible to miss such a large element.



On the left side of the 7.5 FK Field Pistol, there are two more weapon control elements on the frame: the slide gate lever and the fuse switch. They are made with large parts that are likely to be comfortable even when using weapons in warm gloves, while all the sharp edges on them are smoothed, so that foreign objects cannot catch on them.

The safety bracket has a bend in its front part and notches. Most modern pistols can not boast of such a form of safety bracket, and yet not so long ago it was widespread.



The most important feature of the weapon, which immediately catches the eye when it is superficially studied, is the material from which the gun is made. The weapon is completely steel, except for the overlays on the handle. Apparently, the designers have not been able to introduce a plastic frame that would cope with the impact of the new powerful cartridge.

7.5 FK Field Pistol Pistol Design

As mentioned above, the pistol does not use any of the common schemes for balanced automation. Nevertheless, the design of the gun is quite interesting, although it seems familiar to many.

After going through all the possible options for automation systems, the designers stopped at the one that Browning offered, namely the automation system with a short stroke of the weapon. Of course, in the form that it was originally not used, it was slightly modified, although the essence remained the same.



The barrel of the 7.5 FK Field Pistol has, under the breech, a dovetail guide that is made at a slight angle relative to the cover-gate. In the frame of the weapon is installed liner, which remains stationary in the process of shooting and which takes place to mount the barrel on this guide. Adhesion of the barrel to the cover-shutter is provided by tides on the barrel and protrusions on the inner surface of the cover-shutter. It all works in the same way as the variants of automation systems with a swinging earring or with a figured notch at high tide under the barrel and a pin passing through it. When fired, the barrel remains engaged with the bolt and begins to move with it backward, sliding along the guide. Since the guide is not parallel to the casing-bolt, when moving backwards, the breech body of the barrel is reduced relative to the casing-bolt, coming out of the clutch. When the bolt group moves forward, it pushes the barrel, which again, sliding along the guide, enters into engagement with its projections against the inner surface of the housing-bolt.

As you can see, there is absolutely nothing new in the operation of the automation system, except that the implementation of the barrel offset relative to the housing-bolt is implemented in such a way as to ensure greater structural strength and accuracy of the weapon. There are quite legitimate questions why manufacturers talked about low recoil when shooting and compensating for the deviation of the weapon from the aiming point? Why do you need a massive tide under the barrel of a gun? The answers to these questions lie in the return spring.



More specifically, it is not the return spring that makes firing a pistol more comfortable, but a detail that is located in front of it. In the process of working on weapons, it was decided to abandon the balanced automation system not only because of its complexity and overall reduction in weapon reliability, but also because a simpler, though less effective way was found to “defeat” the negative moments when firing powerful ammunition.

Usually in pistols, the bulk of the housing-bolt is located above the barrel of the weapon, which, combined with the location of the barrel above the pistol grip, creates a lever when fired, which is why the pistol tosses up. This explains the desire of gunsmiths to “plant” the barrel of a pistol as low as possible in order to reduce the shoulder of this lever. The designers of Brno, in addition to the low planting of the trunk, introduced another feature into the design, namely, they changed the balance of the housing-bolt. So, before the return spring there is a massive part, which by its weight shifts the center of gravity of the casing-bolt, thereby reducing even further the throwing of the pistol when firing. That is, in the design of a weapon, there is indeed a detail that can be called a balance bar, but it does not compensate for the recoil of the weapon with its mass, but moving in the same direction as the housing-bolt changes the recoil force vector. The total mass of moving parts in the process of shooting "stretches" the moment of impact, which makes it significantly more comfortable, although there is no question of any compensation.



Such a solution may not be as effective as a balanced automation system, but the simplest and reliable, and most importantly, can be implemented in pistols of similar designs without additional changes in the weapon.

Single-action pistol trigger.

Characteristics of the gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol

Weapons for their weight came out really heavy, whole 1300 grams, which is explained by the considerable size and material of which the gun is made. The total length of a 240 pistol millimeters, with a barrel length of 152 millimeters. The height is 136 millimeters. The weapon turned out to be relatively thin for its size and weight, the entire 25,5 millimeters, which visually makes it lighter than it really is. It feeds a pistol from a two-row magazine with a capacity of 15 cartridges.

Positive and negative qualities of the gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol

The main advantage of the new weapon is its accuracy. But here there are some nuances. From a pistol, you can really confidently fall at a distance of 100 meters into a circle with a diameter of 10 centimeters. Even more, from a pistol I managed to lay 5 shots at such a distance in a circle with a diameter of 3,8 centimeters. The only question is where to get an arrow for this weapon? All these fantastic indicators of accuracy were shown on the arms, clamped in the machine. That is, we are talking about the potential possibility of such accurate shooting, and not about its implementation. Yes, the designers tried to minimize the impact of recoil on the weapon, but in the hands of the shooter the gun still does not remain fixed. Of course, the weapon turned out to be more accurate in comparison with modern popular models of pistols and in many respects this is due to the ammunition, not the pistol, but only a few will be able to fully unleash the potential of the weapon. Realizing this, the designers have developed a folding butt for a pistol that is attached to the handle of the weapon.



If the main positive point in the design of the gun 7.5 FK Field Pistol is only one, then there are a lot more negative ones. The main drawback of a weapon is its weight, whatever one may say, but 1300 grams for a modern pistol is too much, but since this is not about weapons that are planned to be worn daily, then you can close your eyes to weight and dimensions.



The second main drawback can be called the very high cost of weapons, as well as the price of ammunition, as well as their small distribution. In order to unlock the potential of the gun will have to train a lot and for a long time, which will lead to high costs of ammunition. Without a proper level of training, the shooter will not be able to show all its capabilities, which means it will not differ much from many others.



Well, if you find fault, then for many the lack of the ability to adapt a left-handed pistol, single-action firing mechanism and so on can play a decisive role, but these are not shortcomings, but personal preferences of individual shooters.

Conclusion

In conclusion, I would like to identify a niche for this new gun. Obviously, the 7.5 FK Field Pistol will never become a service weapon, unless it changes and changes ammunition, as they are now very reluctant to replace the cartridge currently in service, especially for weapons that are not the primary ones.

The appearance of the gun hints at its sportiness and this is probably the only niche that is really free for this weapon. But here the question of the cost of ammunition and their small distribution arises. The fact that the athletes cartridges leave hundreds for training does not surprise anyone. Shooting sports in itself is not the cheapest sport, and special attention is paid to the cost of ammunition. In addition, the new cartridge will need to somehow certify, so while this niche is still inaccessible to the new weapon.

At the moment, the only reasonable use of the new pistol is entertaining shooting and hunting. True, it should be noted here that far from everywhere hunting with short-barreled weapons is popular, and entertaining shooting will still require a large amount of ammunition.



You can often find the opinion that this gun is ideal for weapons in the special forces. The opinion is, at least, strange, since I personally didn’t have a chance to meet someone who wanted to carry with him a precise, but heavy piece of iron in the form of a pistol. In addition to accuracy, the weapon can not boast of any unique parameters that others do not have, specially designed for specific tasks, pistols. So if in the army this gun can be met, it is only thanks to the assistance of non-military officials.

In general, the 7.5 FK Field Pistol pistol, although it is of interest, but in the form in which it is now, the weapon simply cannot find a place for itself. In sum, with the unallocated and expensive patron, the weapon will more likely remain exotic than the actual specimen in demand.
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  1. +9
    8 March 2018 07: 46
    Mark, thanks for the article: an interesting but inapplicable gun. hi
    1. +2
      8 March 2018 10: 41
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      ... an interesting but inapplicable gun. hi

      hi ... Hi Pash ... For "delicate operations" ..
      ... the 7.5 FK Field Pistol gun is exactly this case.
      bully
      1. +4
        8 March 2018 11: 14
        Hi Sasha ! hi
        Quote: san4es
        For "delicate operations" ..

        The bullet speed is too high for "delicate operations" - the glushak will not cope. wink soldier
        1. +3
          8 March 2018 13: 38
          ... Glushak will not cope.

          ..Cope ("delicate" PBS wink ).
          1. +4
            8 March 2018 14: 49
            Sash, this is acceptable if special cartridges are used with a subsonic bullet speed. For 5.45 - cartridge 5.45 × 39 7У1 (bullet speed 303 m / s), for 7.62 - cartridge 7.62 × 39 US (bullet speed 300 m / s). For a cartridge of 7,5x27, this speed is declared up to 610 m / s. Which exceeds the speed of sound.
          2. +1
            8 March 2018 23: 22
            This video is a good short educational program for those who are interested, but do not delve into the nuances! hi
            He ditched his ears in his youth, sorry.
      2. +1
        9 March 2018 13: 00
        Such a barrel toss is quite significant. And in the article they write that it is almost eliminated. And the counterweight did not help.
    2. 0
      18 January 2022 17: 37
      The authors lacked one, small step in the design to do a really THING - to separate the weight and the bolt so that the bolt hits the weight, like the XP-64
  2. 0
    8 March 2018 08: 47
    As for hunting, this is also a dubious matter; in many European countries it is forbidden to use cartridges with a sleeve shorter than 40 mm for hunting purposes. Even SCS does not pass.
  3. +3
    8 March 2018 09: 26
    In addition to accuracy, the weapon cannot boast of any unique parameters.

    Empirically, I assume that this weapon has good armor penetration for a pistol. Accordingly, his niche is an army pistol. The very name "field pistol" says that the creators thought the same thing. In favor of this version is the absence of plastic parts, which are not very respected in the army.
    Regarding the difficulties with the transition to a new cartridge, the author exaggerates. We are now moving from 9x18 to 9x19. A pistol in the army, thank God, is not the main weapon; accordingly, changing the ammunition is much easier and cheaper for it than for a machine gun / machine gun.
    1. +3
      8 March 2018 11: 17
      Quote: MooH
      Accordingly, his niche is an army pistol

      Nonsense. Army pistol uses army ammunition.

      The niche of this device is “but what, cool, let it be”, as mentioned by Dessert Eagle, and, possibly, some sports movers of the practical shooting format, P226 X-Five Allround for installers.
      http://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/pistols/ger
      many / P226X /

      At the same time, a lot more bows could be wound on a sports and entertainment pistol, such as the same balanced automation - the fault tolerance requirements for such equipment are, after all, not army ones.
    2. +3
      8 March 2018 11: 38
      Quote: MooH
      Accordingly, his niche is an army pistol
      Nonsense! Two bullets are shown: one is expansive, the other is "overexpansive" (glass). Well, not a single specialist, in their right mind, will shoot from a short barrel at 100m. In fact, the gun is up to 20 m, but rather - 3-7 m.
      The destiny of such trunks is the second on the hunt: so that there is something to say to Potapych when the grouse shoot. Well, or went mushrooms.
      1. +2
        8 March 2018 16: 52
        If the armor-piercing is not shown in the photo, is it absent and never will be?
        What does the specialists have to do with it? Suits a pilot instead of an APS? Is it good for a tanker? Anyone with a sudden fire contact?
        Did you even read the comment before writing "bullshit"? Where was I in him offering to shoot a pistol at 100 meters?
        1. +2
          8 March 2018 17: 19
          Quote: MooH
          If the armor-piercing is not shown in the photo, is it absent and never will be?
          What does the specialists have to do with it? Suits a pilot instead of an APS? Is it good for a tanker? Anyone with a sudden fire contact?

          Vaughn, the moon-faced comrade quite correctly identified a niche for this device. Weapons for crews of combat vehicles. If the captain had recently been shot down, if you looked at one or two barmales visiting the gurus, there would have been more ....
          1. Cat
            +1
            8 March 2018 18: 27
            If the captain had recently been shot down, if you looked at one or two barmales visiting the gurus, there would have been more ....

            recourse I do not like syllable declension, but Filipov would have a chance to fight back if he had a full-fledged long-barreled automatic weapon. In the worst case, weapons of the AKS-74U class, best with a large-capacity auger magazine. A pistol of any class would not help our wounded pilot.
            1. +4
              8 March 2018 20: 11
              Quote: Kotischa
              there would be a chance to fight back if
              Chances fend off he did not have, regrettably. Only eliminate more rubbish.
            2. +2
              8 March 2018 20: 29
              Quote: Kotischa
              A pistol of any class would not help our wounded pilot.

              How to say. APS clapper, just no assistant.
              A normal army pistol could help out. May be.
          2. +1
            8 March 2018 20: 21
            Quote: tchoni
            The moon-faced comrade quite correctly identified a niche for this device.
            A pistol with a mass slightly less than a submachine gun?
            1. 0
              8 March 2018 22: 44
              Quote: Simargl
              A pistol with a mass slightly less than a submachine gun?

              It depends on which submachine gun to compare. PPSh with a disk magazine weighed something a little over 4 kg ...
              1. +1
                9 March 2018 05: 40
                Quote: tchoni
                It depends on which submachine gun to compare.
                This is with PP of comparable mass.
                Quote: tchoni
                PPSh with a disk store
                Yeah! Some kind of multi-barreled typethe revolver is even funnier.
        2. +1
          9 March 2018 05: 17
          What does the specialists have to do with it? Suits a pilot instead of an APS? Is it good for a tanker?


          No, it’s not good. High cost, heavy weight, a specific cartridge (that is, another caliber and the range of ammunition for it must be introduced into logistics) and ergonomics for combat use do not have it. Only one butt is worth it!

          A compact pilot suits a pilot or tanker under a pistol cartridge common in the army. Or, ideally, for a specially designed caliber, but again this is a new caliber, a new range of ammunition, it is expensive and complicates the supply of ammunition. A very good example of such a domestic one is the old AEK-919K, which received only positive reviews from helicopter pilots and tankers.

          But in 2018, our pilots still fly with an APS, which is only slightly better than the PM and clearly does not suit as a compact self-defense weapon.
      2. +2
        8 March 2018 20: 27
        Quote: Simargl
        In fact, the gun is up to 20 m

        Army pistol up to 50 mm.
        Office up to 25 m.
        1. +1
          8 March 2018 21: 05
          Quote: wer2
          Army pistol up to 50 mm.
          Office up to 25 m.
          I’m talking about practical application, not shooting at teddy bears!
          For more than 20 m, the barrel is already not out of place.
          1. +1
            8 March 2018 21: 19
            Quote: Simargl
            For more than 20 m, the barrel is already not out of place.

            From a normal 50 m army pistol is easy. Although training is needed.
            But this is the maximum for the gun. For longer distances, another weapon.
            Almost yes. It is doubtful that someone will shoot so far. Only if you really need to.
            1. +2
              9 March 2018 05: 48
              Quote: wer2
              From a normal 50 m army pistol is easy.
              It’s not about breaking through - it’s about hitting (for starters), and this is not a “normal army”, but any pistol.
              So, it’s very difficult to get into a practical shooting mode from a pistol at a distance of more than 20 m (when you need the speed of fire and must move yourself) - after all, the little ones do not try to pour metal into the otvetka).
              In any case, to compensate for the accuracy of the sight, a scree of bullets is made (turn, it is possible with a cut-off), and this is PP.
              Stechkin, of course, PP, but why weren't the stores completely empty ?! However, his cartridge is ridiculous for the present, when almost everything in armor is at least some.
              1. Cat
                0
                9 March 2018 08: 09
                The wounded pilot may not have enough stock. So if you compare, then the volumetric and curly PPSh would give more chances than a compact APS.
                If you choose with what "flopping" to visit the spirits, I would choose the "Cord" with ribbons for 2-3000 potron. In the worst case, the "Bison" with a screw magazine chambered for 9 × 19mm.
                1. +5
                  9 March 2018 08: 42
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  I would choose "Cord" with ribbons for 2-3000 potrons

                  And it’s better to BMP, which is a little thing.
                  Look about bailouts on the Internet, and then figure out where you will get Cord there. With ribbons, og.
                  By the way, “ribbons of 2-3000 rounds” (and where did you get them only?) Will also require a couple of spare barrels, EMNIP.
                2. +1
                  9 March 2018 08: 57
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  The wounded pilot may not have enough stock.
                  He just didn’t have enough: armor, reliability and power of the barrel, time, accuracy ... as a last resort - he would have been bombarded with grenades, they just wanted to take him alive.
                  Quote: Kotischa
                  In the worst case, the "Bison" with a screw magazine chambered for 9 × 19mm.
                  At the moment, probably, for PP the best cartridge is 5,7 × 28 mm. This is stuck with us in the past: everything is developed on the basis of six cartridges and their cartridges: 9x18, 9x19, 5,45x39, 7,62x39, 7,62x54, 12,7x108 ...
                  9x18, 9x19 - are already weak for the military. 9x18 even for the police.
                  7,62x54 is a dinosaur in general, with its problems for automatic weapons.
                  If they had made a pistol cartridge based on a sleeve and a 5,45x39 bullet, I would be very surprised, but, say, 5,45x25 would be interesting for the military, I think.
                  Well, what to take? Why is the OTs-22 Buk bad with its weight of 1,2 kg and a 9x19 cartridge?
                  Or a possible AEK-918 ...
                3. +4
                  9 March 2018 10: 11
                  The wounded pilot first of all did not have enough of his own strength. When you are alone, and around dozens of homeless people you can be armed with anything, you will be devoured and will not choke. You alone cannot look at 360 degrees and simultaneously fire at multiple targets around.

                  If you choose with what "flopping" to visit the spirits, I would choose the "Cord" with ribbons for 2-3000 potron.


                  Will you carry it on your hump? lol

                  In the worst case, the "Bison" with a screw magazine chambered for 9 × 19mm.


                  Which, precisely because of the auger store, has received a bunch of negative reviews and now you won’t find bisons with fire during the day, wrote them down, closed them in arms, and now they don’t put a lot of them even at the “open door”.
                  1. +4
                    9 March 2018 11: 27
                    I completely agree with you — even an experienced machine gunner with the most-most-available large-caliber machine gun and countless boxes with equipped ribbons could not hold out “for any length of time” in such a situation — in an open position and in complete surroundings, armament and strength that are many times superior to the bandit pack . He would just be instantly “crushed by fire” from all directions!
                    And the bandits shot the pilot of the downed stormtrooper still in the air — before he landed, he took it already wounded and fought with the enemies to the end, he did not ask for mercy from the mean creatures!
                    Eternal memory to the Hero of Russia, Russian and Syrian peoples!
                  2. 0
                    18 January 2022 17: 36
                    First of all, the wounded pilot did not have enough of his own strength.

                    By the way, a nice idea is to add such a small wheeled robot the size of a large car toy to the ejection seat, with 9x19 PP, augers, and a control processor that shoots at everyone except the pilot. It crawls around the downed man, in circles, and manages to aim and kill faster than the homeless person understands what he saw at all.
                    But this is exactly a robot that recognizes targets and shoots itself. The ability to turn off from the remote control at the pilot, and nothing more.
    3. 0
      18 March 2018 18: 48
      In theory, this is the MPV class, and the cartridge is very suitable for this - and not a 4-5 mm hole punch and not 9x19 with its steep trajectory. A ballistic pistol like the M1 carbine of the Second World War, even better - the bullet is more perfect. He worked quite well. We must take this cartridge into service and develop an analogue of a submachine gun for it. And the price tag on cartridges will fall
  4. +1
    8 March 2018 09: 34
    TOY FOR A LOVER !!!! wink
    1. +6
      8 March 2018 12: 21
      Another desert eagle - stylish, fashionable, youth! Those. cool, pathos and nafig nobody needs.
  5. +4
    8 March 2018 10: 16
    Looking at the 7,5x28 ammunition, you can’t get rid of the idea of ​​the external similarity of the new cartridge with our domestic 7,62x25 ... Undoubtedly, the 7,62x25 cartridge is an ammunition that, as it is fashionable to say, is ahead of its time.

    It’s only more correct to say that the “7.63x25 Mauser” cartridge, which appeared almost 40 years earlier than the TT cartridge, “was ahead of its time”.
    1. +5
      8 March 2018 15: 56
      Then Borchardt 7,65х25 smile
      1. +1
        8 March 2018 20: 33
        Quote: AlexMark
        Then Borchardt 7,65х25

        All true.
        Only initially, these cartridges (Borchardt and Mauser) were made under the "weapons of travelers." And then, due to the Bolsheviks' lack of graphs, he (in the form of TT) suddenly found himself in the Red Army. Where he was "don’t sew the mare’s tail."
  6. +1
    8 March 2018 11: 20
    Amusing design - simple, but tasteful. The technical solution may be applicable in pistols with normal cartridges. Against this background, I would like details on the submarine. In advertising, they praise and intend to release, but so far everything is secret.
  7. +1
    8 March 2018 11: 22
    3 MOA precision sniper pistol - and did they even bother with the fuy?

    Czech designers have recently completely degraded - now the accuracy of firing a pistol is increased not by blunt mass buildup, but by providing strictly rectilinear barrel movement during rollback (due to rotation, not reduction of the barrel).
    1. 0
      8 March 2018 11: 40
      Quote: Operator
      and ensuring strictly rectilinear movement of the barrel during rollback (due to rotation, and not lowering the barrel).
      How recently described "Chinese" and GSH-18? At Beretta and Gyurza, it seems, the trunk does not hang down - there are larvae.
      1. 0
        8 March 2018 11: 42
        Absolutely.
        1. 0
          8 March 2018 11: 52
          I rummaged through my memory ... I didn’t remember anything else: only a Browning earring / copy groove with a dangling barrel - all the rest run straight. Just the Browning system is the simplest.
          1. 0
            8 March 2018 17: 56
            All the others rest against the protrusion of the breech of the barrel into the cutout of the shutter-casing (for ejecting spent cartridges) and, accordingly, also disengage by means of a golem lowering of the barrel.
            1. 0
              8 March 2018 20: 26
              Quote: Operator
              All the others rest against the protrusion of the breech of the barrel into the cutout of the shutter-casing
              Нет!
              With Beretta, like with the Fedorov rifle, like with Gyurza, the barrel moves in a straight line. The bolt is engaged with the barrel by maggots.
              Luger, P-38, Eagle ... - all with a straightforward movement of the barrel.
              And how the shutter engages in the Browning system is the tenth thing (the main thing is that the frame can withstand).
              1. 0
                8 March 2018 21: 33
                We are talking about sniper pistols, so the movement of the barrel (straight / non-linear) comes to the fore.
                1. 0
                  18 March 2018 18: 52
                  Please do not write nonsense. The accuracy and accuracy of the gun does not depend on what path the barrel moves after disengaging from the barrel - straightforwardly or with a decrease. We can talk about the difference unless only in the presence of a fixed barrel mounted on the frame.
                  The Czechs made a great innovative gun. Yes, very expensive so far. But this is a Lamborghini among pistols
                  1. 0
                    18 March 2018 20: 21
                    Yes, yes, yes, I believe, I believe: the barrel can generally rotate 180 degrees (Mikhail HORNET himself guarantees) laughing

                    Any movable barrel backlash (the basics of mechanics), especially twice movable - as in a pistol with a movable shutter-casing.

                    And if we add to this the forced lowering of the barrel from the first moment of the shot due to an earring, a larva or a curly cutout in the frame, then accuracy / accuracy can only be read in the handouts of pistol developers.
                  2. +1
                    18 March 2018 20: 30
                    Quote: Michael HORNET
                    The accuracy and accuracy of the gun does not depend on which path the barrel moves after disengaging from the barrel - straightforwardly or with a decrease.
                    The problem is that if a Browning system is used, the trunk sways there, which means it has a landing with a very large tolerance (compared to longitudinally sliding).
                    In addition, it was originally earring, and therefore the barrel moved relative to the transverse axis for total shot! Now they are making a copy groove, and this is the second place with a large tolerance, i.e. the barrel hangs on two nodes with large gaps, which does not contribute to accuracy (choose as soon as possible, but the barrel in Browning systems always plays, especially "with mileage").
    2. +3
      8 March 2018 15: 52
      Perhaps it is not entirely clear described the principle of operation of weapons automation. The barrel moves without distortions, that is parallel to its axis, but it is installed in the gun at an angle relative to the housing-gate, it turns out that when the barrel moves backwards, the distance between the inner surface of the housing-bolt and the breech increases.
  8. +2
    8 March 2018 11: 27
    I wonder how with the stopping action of a bullet at such power? The bullet itself is expansive, judging by the photo, but speed and stability are a factor.
    1. +2
      8 March 2018 11: 43
      Which "glass" - the hamster will tear to pieces. True, they didn’t do ballistic insertion in vain.
      In addition, why is the cartridge blunt at supersonic speed over the entire effective shooting range ?!
      1. 0
        18 March 2018 18: 53
        Obviously, because the pointed rifle bullet just does not fit in the cartridge case
        1. +1
          18 March 2018 20: 32
          Quote: Michael HORNET
          the rifle bullet just doesn't fit in the cartridge case
          5,7x28 have no problems.
  9. +1
    8 March 2018 15: 26
    Exotic, beautiful, effective.
    For hunting or for expeditions, this is it. There is nothing to do in the army.
    1. 0
      8 March 2018 19: 41
      Quote: Marssik
      Exotic, beautiful, effective.
      For hunting or for expeditions, this is it. There is nothing to do in the army.



      Some kind of sofa judgment however. The army, it is different. And for aviation such a gun would not be out of place. Given that it is possible to create a decent submachine gun in pair with his cartridge.
    2. +1
      9 March 2018 01: 44
      Plyusanul only for the realistic main conclusion- "There is nothing to do in the army" ... however, as in the "expedition", take a kind of awkward "fool" on the mountains and forests, and soon you yourself want to lose it like a thread " smile Yes
      In terms of "exotic", I agree, but I don’t agree with the fact that it’s "beautiful, effective"!
      hi
      1. +1
        9 March 2018 10: 17
        Quote: pishchak
        Plyusanul only for the realistic main conclusion- "There is nothing to do in the army" ... however, as in the "expedition", take a kind of awkward "fool" on the mountains and forests, and soon you yourself want to lose it like a thread " smile Yes
        In terms of "exotic", I agree, but I don’t agree with the fact that it’s "beautiful, effective"!
        hi



        But what problems carry it in the cockpit / helicopter? It’s quite normal for you to put it in your breast pocket. The area of ​​the heart is much better than the PM will cover.
        In addition, on this cartridge in a pair to it and a good PP can be done.
        Most for crews in distress.
        I repeat, the army is different. It is not necessary to evaluate any rifleman solely with boots.
        1. 0
          9 March 2018 15: 31
          The detailed answer "ate" my excessively "intellectualized" computer, maybe for the better smile I don’t like my own, sometimes, perfectionism, which develops into an outrageous tedium.
          Therefore, I will answer "almost thesis".
          Try to put yourself in the place of those who are in trouble, and even on enemy territory, wounded and burned crew members, hungry and cold, and even wet and naked, miraculously escaping from a helicopter / plane that fell into the water, forced secretly, hiding from snooping around gangster gangs, carry a wounded man (in addition to broken limbs, with a complication of multiple fractures of the ribs and a heart injury from a stroke, landing, a "chest sniper gun") of a comrade and those meager remnants of NZ that they managed to snatch from razor-sharp pieces of burning ( sinking) cab.
          Any step, any jolt responds with pain in everything, to a haggard body, death, consciousness agitates from head injuries and the mind goes beyond the mind, pierces frost, drenched cold autumn rain or incinerates the sun, there wasn’t a crumb from the morning before last morning , and with every step it beats in the chest (or thigh) an imported, stubborn, ultra-long-range, but unreliable and, before losing consciousness, beating on broken fingers during such a shooting, "hunting", under rare, piece-read, unique cartridges, a child prodigy ( himself, without cartridges, weighing like a Makarov mega-reliable pistol with fifty “gross” cartridges for him), such “quiet happiness” for these “fellow soldiers” on the verge of life and death, who are pursued by brutal “hunter” killers with a whole arsenal of weapons (if they didn’t immediately shoot paratroopers in the air or surround them, they shot at the landing site!) ...
          The practical combat value of the Czech, purely "sportler-frayersky", quasi "sniper" megapistol tends to absolute zero, even though you "evaluate" it with your boots, though it is definitely unsuitable for any other place in the army!
          Yes, and for hired killers, too, the unreasonably expensive piece pistol and cartridges for it are also not cheap and scarce, unreliable, the claimed sniper range is difficult to realize and generally questionable. Something like this.
          hi
      2. 0
        9 March 2018 18: 03
        however, as in the "expedition", take a kind of awkward "fool" on the mountains and forests, and soon you yourself will want to "lose" it like a thread
        Oh, how hard it is, you my friend, a threaded fitting or a combination, sip, especially in the thicket is still a pleasure. Carrying a gun is much easier than an 80cm bandura in a case. The accuracy is quite applicable if you do not shoot like an irresponsible practitioner, but calmly aims and shoot.
        Mauser is also not light, but already managed to hit 200m 100 years ago, and now, that you are difficult, inconvenient.
        1. 0
          9 March 2018 19: 14
          No, I didn’t wear anything like that on myself and didn’t roam about it anywhere, neither in the mountains, nor in the fields smile
          A sensible approach is simple - decide on what you are “pulling a combiguard-bandura in an 800 mm case over the thickets”, what tasks do you plan to solve with it, where or whom to “aim and shoot calmly”? Indeed, in order to "calmly shoot" at cans or "irresponsibly shoot" at mannequins and voiced steel rounds, a light small-caliber pistol is enough, ammunition for it is cheap, mass-produced and whatever you like ...
          Maybe your problem is, just, in an uncomfortable case or in the way of carrying the “combination”?
          It’s hard for me to judge your expeditionary-rifle tasks by misty equivocations, after all, anything can be called an “expedition”, just now, the bloodthirsty overseas general-overseer called the murder a “game”, urging her to use American “javelins” in it?
          hi
  10. 0
    8 March 2018 19: 55
    A good cartridge for a submachine gun.
    1. 0
      8 March 2018 20: 45
      Quote: Izotovp
      A good cartridge for a submachine gun.

      Submachine gun carbine. The cartridge is not pistol.
  11. 0
    8 March 2018 20: 24
    Quote: Mark Poddubny
    that is, the kinetic energy of the projectile in the most "heavy" version of more than 1200 Joules

    Who can hold the pistol with such a return and get out of it at the target?
    And then, did someone pay attention to the caliber? This is a sports pistol. But why is a sports pistol so powerful?
    Quote: Mark Poddubny
    Undoubtedly, the 7,62x25 cartridge is an ammunition that, as it is fashionable to say, is ahead of its time.

    The TT cartridge is a sports cartridge. For the army it's just rubbish. Unfit.
    Quote: Mark Poddubny
    Even now, on the basis of the old cartridge for the TT, you can make a completely modern one that would be perfect for the same army pistol,

    Can. If you throw out the bullet, insert the bullet of caliber Steam and shorten the sleeve to 19-20 mm. But what remains of the TT?
    Quote: Mark Poddubny
    but while they’re not doing this, at least such information is not publicly available.

    They don’t do it because they understand weapons.
    Quote: Mark Poddubny
    as much as 1300 grams, which is explained by the considerable size and material of which the gun is made. The total length of the pistol is 240 mm, with a barrel length of 152 mm

    I don’t even know if this is a real gun. Everything is somehow heroic.

    You can, of course, put this gingerbread on a dead boar and take a photo. It’s almost impossible to lay a boar out of it. Only if by chance. And the matter is not only and not so much in accuracy.
    1. +3
      8 March 2018 20: 26
      Quote: wer2

      The TT cartridge is a sports cartridge. For the army it's just rubbish. Unfit.


      The army is different. Therefore, one is not suitable, the other is just right.
    2. 0
      8 March 2018 20: 44
      Quote: wer2
      Who can hold the pistol with such a return and get out of it at the target?
      And then, did someone pay attention to the caliber? This is a sports pistol. But why is a sports pistol so powerful?

      Incorrectly written.
      This is not a sports pistol, it is a shortened carbine made in the form of a pistol. With a hint of sportiness.
      DE pistol cartridges are limited to 250 ft-lb. This is 678 J. More, these are carbine cartridges. Up to 500 ft-lb (1356 J).
      Here is its ancient counterpart:
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/
      28 / 30_Carbine.jpg
    3. 0
      18 March 2018 18: 56
      You would at least disguise your ignorance of the subject of discussion somehow. Cartridge 7,62x25 went through two wars so then, and with a good result
  12. 0
    8 March 2018 22: 14
    Beautiful weapon. In Brno, they always knew how to do this ("True to the precepts of the choleka!")
    Thanks for the stuff!
  13. +4
    8 March 2018 22: 33
    "In conclusion, I would like to identify a niche for this new pistol "
    Further, the author offers his thoughts, missing one essential thing. In the world of weapons, nothing comes out of nothing. And almost never will anyone first develop a weapon of such value, and then look for a niche for it. When developing this gun, more than forty prototypes were made. This is a very serious cost.
    And for this gun, the customer determined a niche. And he covered the costs.
    In 2010, PMK, operating in the Middle East, contacted FK BRNO. The name of the company, for obvious reasons, was not disclosed.
    It is from these requirements that the specified pistol was born. And satisfied the customer. And the manufacturer launched the product on the market.
    The manufacturer of the "niche" sees as follows. First of all, it is a sports pistol intended for use in long-distance shooting competitions.
    In addition, the gun can be used for military operations in the context of dense buildings (for which PMC ordered it), survival weapons, weapons of crews of armored vehicles, patrols, customs and border services, security activities, as self-defense weapons when using vehicles.
    The gun is available in two versions - standard and sport. It costs $ 7500 in the USA.
    And further. The author very quickly acquired a bad feature of many site authors - not to indicate the sources. Just a proud signature "author". That is, the "author" received all the information set forth in the article having only a sample of weapons and a ruler on hand. And then all by myself.
  14. +1
    9 March 2018 01: 04
    The gun is clumsy in appearance, albeit with a claim to "archaic prettiness," as a product of "advanced" home-made ones (their imitation of the design of the "Brownie" HP-Chezeta 75 is clearly visible).
    The handle is simply "oak", some kind of eclectic, carbon-stepped arrow in the most "rubbing" places of palm rest and obvious "inconveniences" for the working index finger, the notch under it is under-milled down (the place is taken by the store's lock button), therefore correct pressure, the first phalanx on the lower part of the trigger, the finger will "rub" on the gun body, which will inevitably affect the results of firing at a distance of 100 meters. If we set such "long-range" tasks, then we must carefully consider the slightest nuances!
    From a six-inch length, the barrel can be confidently hit 100 meters from a revolver, with the sights as usual and the front sight, and not with such a "chudernaksky" as the whole "exotic boar shot". From the pistol "Makarova (although his barrel is short, but structurally motionless)" you can also get, in silhouette, at such a distance - much depends on the batch of cartridges and bullet design, whole-shell bullets without a steel core will go down more heaped. I won’t discover America if I say that carefully manufactured, precision cartridges allow achieving much greater accuracy results than the “swathing”.
    The design described (although it’s better to see once than hear a hundred times))) it seems to me not quite thought out - the main unit of automation, the slanted dovetail, is an explicit design “jamb”, since the main load vector is directed abnormally for such the type of guides is oblique, “tearing away”, with respect to the main supporting surfaces (although, yes, their area is much larger than if used, traditional for the “Browning locking pattern”, a cross pin in an earring or a copy slot of an under-barrel protrusion).
    Weighting the muzzle of the barrel is widely used precisely for sports pistols and in this regard, the total weight of 1300 grams does not look at all so excessive - the weight of the “converted” small-caliber sports “Margolins” reached 1500 grams, even young teenage girls without visible tension, fired from these pistols in competitions, it's all about training! Yes
    Calling this casual product "sniper" is a big compliment to its "manufacturers" and clearly an "advertising move", designed for a narrow circle of "connoisseurs" of ambitious weaponous oddities.
    Dear Mark, You are my tremendous Gratitude for the tireless work in popularizing all kinds of new products (or oldies))) of the arms industry and yours, more and more mature and non-trivial, somewhat original in style, reasoning! I always read them with interest and discover something new for myself, since you know how to look, from an unexpected (me) perspective, on things that seem to be “time-honored for centuries” Yes
    hi
    1. +1
      10 March 2018 05: 58
      All the claims to the gun that you named are laid in the design specifically. These are options for additional earnings for the manufacturer.

      The gun is far from clumsy.

      Sports shooting from a series of shooting from real weapons. There is such a thing, not at all Olympic, but no less interesting, spectacular and popular.
      1. 0
        10 March 2018 14: 35
        Yeah, for sure, in this pistol the “options” are pretty good, in piles and retail Yes !
        I appreciate and support your sparkling humor! good
        The design, as for me, is very, very eclectic, some of the structural elements are completely archaic and strongly discord even with the "general plan", visually emphasizing its clumsiness.
        Perhaps clumsiness in appearance reflects the same "syrup" in the internal content? I admit it completely.
        “Soft return”, if it is present (from the video you can’t say it, it seems that every “sniper” shot kindly “dries” the shooter's hand and after shooting a couple of stores its sensitivity will not return soon?), Maybe "lowering the point of application of the recoil vector (you want to say that the recoil momentum is projected along the axis of the compressible return spring, and not higher, at the point of application of the largest load at the time of the shot and its impact on the frame of the insert gun with a dovetail guide and friction in slide-guide guides ?! winked ), and the large mass of the shutter-casing with the barrel attached to it, slowed down by its acceleration, during rollback and rollback, somewhat stretching the shot cycle in time. In addition, the length of the recoil also plays a role in reducing the “sharpness” of recoil felt by the shooter!
        Nothing, no "lowering" zaum, these Czech designers did not help, the barrel "fights" when shot, be healthy, this is clearly visible on the video! Yes
        Regarding the "practical shooters" for me on the drum, everyone goes crazy in their own way, even if they are perverted with this precious (at the price) exotism and its equally precious unique "cartridges".
        But this is what harmless road workers and forester-geologists did to you, why don't you love them so much smile ? And why do they need such a "combat" capacity of the store, with whom they will fight winked ?
        Do you want them to carry this worthless piece of metal with an excess of cartridges for what purpose? That they will regularly practice shooting (it’s expensive ammunition), or daily clean-lubricate their pistols, constantly re-equip stores so that the feed spring and the formidable-looking “device” at the crucial moment (which?) Do not fail its carrier wink ?
        So it’s better to recommend foresters, workers, geologists and other “snipe” naturalists to carry, if the carbine is so heavy, carry a revolver (albeit of the most large caliber) and the ammunition supply to it, with a revolver, is less than a hassle in everything, it is optimal in relation to power / mass, always ready for action, aiming and accurate, and does not suffer from pistol "diseases" - and much more reliable in hunting business, and optics are better attached to them and not suffer from gunshots, sleeves are not lost and can be re-equipped at will, as zealous shooters-hunters do!
        In the Russian Empire, for customs guards and sales to travelers, Nagan carbine rifles with a stock, an elongated barrel and an under-barrel forend were made, butted butt stocks were also made to its predecessor Smith Wesson — nothing prevents supplying revolvers for various " expeditions by "attached pickles," tactical arms "and other" picatinas ". So it will be much more reasonable than embarking on adventures with a Czech imperfection.
        This "Czech" is unlikely to receive recognition from a wide range of "users". IMHO
        hi
  15. +1
    9 March 2018 14: 24
    in my opinion this is some kind of design perverted masochism ...
    no more
    just a wishlist implementation ...
    Who in practice wants to carry 1300 with them?
    and what kind of strength the shooter must have in order to shoot from such a fool with such a powerful cartridge ...
    and situations in which you need to shoot in the city, on target, through a football field - generally from the category of fiction
    generally a whim, not a gun
    1. 0
      10 March 2018 05: 26
      Bullet weight is not large. The recoil momentum is related to speed. Balance the weight of the weapon.
      1. 0
        18 March 2018 19: 19
        A gun in its niche. Not all guns are the same
  16. 0
    9 March 2018 15: 32
    Reading the comments on articles on small arms on the site, I thought that if Internet experts determined the fate of certain models, everyone on the planet would have fought with the “three-line” and AKMs. All the rest - "cool, pathos and nafig no one needs."
  17. +1
    10 March 2018 05: 22
    Thanks to the author.

    This is just pistol erotica.

    It is unlikely that balanced automation would be effective. The weight of the bolt group is large so that the counterweight can balance it.
    The designer's decision to lower the center of gravity is correct. The point of application of the recoil force vector, with a counterbalance, goes down. Which makes the return soft.

    Collectors will be happy with such weapons. There is also a niche for road workers, geologists, foresters. After all, the weight of the gun compared to the carbine is not large. And the power of the shot is good.
  18. 0
    10 March 2018 17: 31
    in principle, the idea is correct, the 7.5mm caliber is quite suitable and even optimal, with a selected bullet design for an army pistol
  19. +2
    14 March 2018 00: 05
    Quote: MooH
    In addition to accuracy, the weapon cannot boast of any unique parameters.

    Empirically, I assume that this weapon has good armor penetration for a pistol. Accordingly, his niche is an army pistol. The very name "field pistol" says that the creators thought the same thing. In favor of this version is the absence of plastic parts, which are not very respected in the army.


    If we judge weapons by the same name as a commercial model, then - yes, this is certainly a “Field Pistol” for the army. wink But then his brother “Desert Eagle” must certainly fly, albeit “low-low”.
    And it’s rightly said here that he is more suitable for sports shooting for millionaires, or as a “translator” for a conversation with Potapych, for the same millionaires. Until the ammunition gets on the stream, it bites at a price. hi
  20. 0
    23 January 2022 02: 41
    The article is great! Thanks! Ideal cartridge for a submachine gun.

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