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Expert: the wheeled tank under development can get a gun from the "Octopus-SDM"

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Previously appeared news about the creation of wheeled tank on the Boomerang platform, commented on the editor-in-chief of Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine Viktor Murakhovsky, who stated that the new wheeled tank could receive a 125-mm gun from the Sprut-SDM self-propelled anti-tank gun for airborne forces.


Expert: the wheeled tank under development can get a gun from the "Octopus-SDM"


I think it means the combat compartment used on the Sprut-SDM floating self-propelled anti-tank gun, which is made for the Airborne Forces, a combat compartment with an 125-mm gun. The mass-dimensional parameters of this combat compartment quite allow it to be installed on the “Boomerang” - “Sprut” and “Boomerang” are approximately in the same weight category
- said Murakhovsky.

The expert added that "the development work on the integration of this fighting compartment at the Boomerang can be completed in two to three years." Speaking about the classification of the car on this platform in the case of equipping with an 125 mm caliber gun, he noted that “the car can be called a light wheeled tank”.

The specialist said that under the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe from 1990 (Russia suspended its operation from 2007), wheeled vehicles fall under the definition of a tank if the following criteria are met: the machine cannon must be larger than 75 mm, the weight must exceed 16,5 tons , and the tower should rotate 360 degrees. He added that, by this definition, the Sprut-SDM with a mass of 18 tons is a light tank, and the Boomerang with a new combat compartment will also fall under it, but for the Russian classification this will be unofficial, TASS reports
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 5 March 2018 15: 31
    +1
    It’s like tank down there. Not?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 March 2018 15: 34
      +6
      Expert: the wheeled tank under development can get a gun from the "Octopus-SDM"
      "KARS" looked into the water ... hi
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 5 March 2018 15: 35
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        "KARS" looked into the water ...

        The tower in the middle will have to sculpt, otherwise the wheels will fall off.
        Like here:
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 5 March 2018 16: 03
          +6
          Quote: Gray Brother
          The tower in the middle will have to sculpt, otherwise the wheels will fall off.
          Like here:

          So the chassis, however,different. "Boomerang," he will be larger.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 5 March 2018 16: 10
            +1
            Quote: Separ DNR
            So the chassis, however, is different.

            Who cares? If the tower is left as it is, when fired, the recoil will clearly hammer on the rear axle, and if in the middle, then in two, the load will be less.
            "Octopus" out, when fired, shakes like a horse drunk.
            1. pepel79
              pepel79 5 March 2018 17: 02
              +1
              The program Military Acceptance, gene. the director said that the internal distances, when installing the gun, will remain the same as in the BTR-16, BMP-17 variant, therefore it is not a fact that the Sprut-SDM combat compartment, in the original, will be installed (AZ carousel, it will take the lion's share of the internal volume) ... maybe T-95 or ARMATA branches will be taken as the basis, .. but guess what ... wait and see ...
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 5 March 2018 17: 42
                0
                Quote: pepel79
                gene. director said

                And about the fighting compartment, we are not talking about the gun only.
                1. pepel79
                  pepel79 6 March 2018 10: 25
                  0
                  I think that refers to the combat compartment used on the Sprut-SDM floating self-propelled anti-tank gun, which was made for the airborne forces, - a combat compartment with a 125-mm gun ..., Murakhovsky said. This is an excerpt from an article that is being discussed ... I didn’t think of anything and did not focus only on your comment, but on the column as a whole hi
  2. assa67
    assa67 5 March 2018 15: 37
    +2
    ".... for the Russian classification it will be unofficial"
    Does it make sense to conduct development if, in practice, there is already the same Octopus?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 March 2018 15: 39
      0
      Quote: assa67
      ".... for the Russian classification it will be unofficial"
      Does it make sense to conduct development if, in practice, there is already the same Octopus?

      maybe to the market ...
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 5 March 2018 15: 49
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        maybe to the market ...

        In theory, military units should be equipped with equipment with the same cross. Those. wheeled with caterpillar to interfere with this is bad manners.
      2. assa67
        assa67 5 March 2018 16: 00
        +2
        with such technology the counters are already clogged, who just does not sculpt
    2. seos
      seos 5 March 2018 15: 48
      0
      MO now has a love for wheeled vehicles ...
      And the fact that the tower from Octopus is so obvious ... maybe no one is wasted on developing the same tower ...
      1. san4es
        san4es 5 March 2018 16: 35
        +3
        Quote: seos
        ... no one will spend on developing the same tower ...

        ... T-14 "turned away"

        ... or the 85 mm limit

        2C14 "Sting-C"
        1. assa67
          assa67 5 March 2018 16: 45
          +2
          Sanya, our respect hi ... why do you think they are turned away? .... this motot is still in development ..
          1. san4es
            san4es 5 March 2018 17: 00
            0
            hi Healthy
            ... this motot is still in development.

            ... Just the time will come ... "Armatovsky" module is ready
            1. assa67
              assa67 5 March 2018 17: 08
              +4
              for me, so let them develop, do .... at least do something, except for cuts and contemplation of their own navels in the Bahamas
              1. san4es
                san4es 5 March 2018 17: 21
                0
                Quote: assa67
                for me, so let them develop, do .... at least do something

                ... let it go. Examples of mass wink

                Panhard AML-245C with HE-90-70 tower
                ... Annually exhibited:
                http://www.vitalykuzmin.net/Military/Park-Patriot
                -New-photos-part6 /
                1. assa67
                  assa67 5 March 2018 17: 27
                  +5
                  in what a glorious kid! .. also with shooting ... in any case it’s better than at the exhibition of dill achievements ...
  3. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 5 March 2018 15: 49
    +3
    Quote: assa67
    ".... for the Russian classification it will be unofficial"
    Does it make sense to conduct development if, in practice, there is already the same Octopus?


    Octopus on tracks. Boomer on wheels.
    1. assa67
      assa67 5 March 2018 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: Gray Brother
      military units should be equipped with equipment with the same cross. Those. wheeled with caterpillar to interfere with this is bad manners.

      a regiment on geese, and a regiment nearby on wheels? ... wheeled vehicles with decent armaments are enough
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 5 March 2018 16: 03
        +4
        Quote: assa67
        a regiment on geese, and a regiment nearby on wheels?

        Something like that. It’s just that it seriously affects the speed of the march, and the harp goes better off-road, and the wheels go along the highway.
        There is no point in letting them go together.
        1. assa67
          assa67 5 March 2018 16: 26
          +4
          Quote: Gray Brother
          It’s just that it’s seriously affecting the speed of the march

          go to the English Channel! laughing .... but in general, let them develop what they stare at the navel
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 5 March 2018 16: 36
            0
            Quote: assa67
            go to the English Channel!

            In compliance with standards.
            1. assa67
              assa67 5 March 2018 16: 41
              +2
              what? .... knock down all the pins along the road?
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 5 March 2018 16: 43
                0
                Quote: assa67
                what? .... knock down all the pins along the road?

                To overcome a certain distance in the prescribed period of time.
                1. assa67
                  assa67 5 March 2018 16: 51
                  +3
                  during the years of the cold war, NATO considered that it would take the Warsaw Pact tanks 6 days from the German Democratic Republic to Paris, given the possible resistance of the Allies ... now, apparently, it will be a little longer ... but you must shoot the pins in any way)))
        2. Mihail28
          Mihail28 5 March 2018 18: 18
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother
          It’s just that it seriously affects the speed of the march, and the harp goes better off-road, and the wheels go along the highway.

          The wheels are on the highway, but the harp is not on the road, but on dirt roads. For if the harp is on the highway, then after them the highway also turns into "dirt roads."
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 5 March 2018 19: 11
            +1
            Quote: Michael28
            The wheels are on the highway, but the harp is not on the road, but on dirt roads.

            Do not powder my brain. You understand what I wanted to say, okay.
          2. Grits
            Grits 6 March 2018 05: 29
            0
            In Russia, tanks do not spoil the roads, but on the contrary - pave
  4. gukoyan
    gukoyan 5 March 2018 16: 30
    +1
    Here again I have a question, what for do we need it?)))
    Something smacks of either a drink or a laundering babos ... Wheel Octopus?
    Nonsense, to be honest.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 March 2018 17: 41
      +1
      Quote: gukoyan
      Here again I have a question, what for do we need it?)))

      To unify technology. To have a single platform for everything - from armored personnel carriers to BMWs, and not to dilute shelves on wheeled vehicles with caterpillar "octopus" or "Nona".
  5. Technologist
    Technologist 5 March 2018 17: 17
    0
    Explain to the wretched, why such a large nomenclature of almost identical machines ???
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 March 2018 17: 45
      +3
      Quote: Technologist
      Explain to the wretched, why such a large nomenclature of almost identical machines ???

      For maximum unification - on the chassis and on the combat module. Wheel connection - a line of wheeled vehicles based on the Boomerang, medium tracked vehicles - the same on the basis of Kurganets, heavy ones - on the basis of Armata.
      And not like before, when in one regiment we could meet wheeled armored personnel carriers, tracked infantry fighting vehicles, T-62, "nona", motorcycle levers and auxiliary equipment on the T-55 chassis. smile
  6. Lars971a
    Lars971a 5 March 2018 18: 07
    0
    What's the point? For the Russian Guard is suitable for the Moscow Region I think it is not needed, patency is worse than that of armored vehicles. This is called an unfinished tank and a too-altered armored personnel carrier ............................... Money is no where to go
  7. cats
    cats 5 March 2018 18: 09
    +2
    And the Chinese have not stolen Murakhovsky yet ... He knows everything ..
    They are about fifteen years old, what is in his head .. wassat
  8. Mihail28
    Mihail28 5 March 2018 18: 13
    +3
    To install a tank gun it is necessary to solve the following issues.
    First, to solve the problem of recoil, so that the suspension does not fly apart, so as not to overturn when shooting sideways.
    Second, the deployment of ammunition.
    Third, what weight will result from, whether with this weight the machine will have sufficient cross-country ability not only in concrete.
    Fourth, for what task is it necessary to create one with the name "wheeled tank".
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 5 March 2018 19: 14
      0
      Quote: Michael28
      Fourth, for what task is it necessary to create one with the name "wheeled tank".

      Providing fire support to motorized rifles moving on the same technique, an assault gun in fact.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 March 2018 19: 24
      +1
      A tracked light vehicle with a tank gun has long been created. Moreover, it was done on the basis of much more stringent conditions for parachute landing.
      As for the problems of the wheeled tank and how to solve them - it was not for nothing that we tested the Centaur in variants, EMNIP, with 105-mm and 120-mm guns.
  9. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 5 March 2018 20: 58
    +1
    For urban combat, I think it’s the most))
    Let them first create, verify, it will be seen whether it is relevant or not.
  10. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 March 2018 23: 47
    +1
    Will there be an automatic loader?
    In general, such a "light cavalry" would be useful in certain
    climatic conditions.
    Yes, not for our shit, where tanks drown.
    But here for the Middle East region is even nothing.
    And again, it’s being developed against the barmalei,
    not tank armadas from the Cold War.
  11. STORM 12
    STORM 12 6 March 2018 00: 34
    0
    Quote: Zomanus
    Will there be an automatic loader?
    In general, such a "light cavalry" would be useful in certain
    climatic conditions.
    Yes, not for our shit, where tanks drown.
    But here for the Middle East region is even nothing.
    And again, it’s being developed against the barmalei,
    not tank armadas from the Cold War.

    and they will
  12. k_ply
    k_ply 6 March 2018 05: 11
    +2
    Ha! And who would doubt that it is planned to integrate the Octopus-SD weapons complex.
    ... by this definition, the Octopus-SDM with a mass of 18 tons is a light tank, and the Boomerang will fall under it ...

    It is very doubtful that the Boomerang armored personnel carrier (in the basic version) falls into this weight category (up to 18 tons (airborne), not to mention the version with a 125 mm cannon. The latter would remain in the weight range of floating vehicles (up to 22,5, XNUMX t.).
    There will be a new unnecessary car (the so-called "wheeled tank") for the sake of unification of this 8x8 line itself (I hope, only export).