Navy plans to adapt 949A submarine of the project "Caliber PL"

The Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) can receive the nuclear submarine of the 949A project adapted for the Caliber-PL missile system after the 2021, reports RIA News the message of the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Sergey Avakyants.

There are plans to modernize and re-equip the 949A nuclear missile cruisers for a new weapon. They will be adapted to the Caliber cruise missile complex, which will replace the Granit anti-ship missiles,

said the commander.

According to him, “practical work in this direction is already underway at the Zvezda plant in the Primorsky Territory, and most likely one of the modernized ships will become part of the constant readiness forces fleet after 2021. "

The admiral also noted that “after the modernization of the nuclear submarine missile cruisers of the 949A project, their arsenal of missiles will increase significantly.”

Comments

[Labor]

Honestly, I do not see any point in such statements. Obviously, all the equipment must be modernized. The sooner this happens the better, and the time frame of 5 years is not encouraging.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Labor

and the deadlines of 5 years are not encouraging.

these terms will be shifted by another 5 years .... it is customary for us in the Navy ((.... and it’s a pity, we would need 3 loaves for Pacific Fleet and North, I mean, modified for caliber .... but repairs with modernization last for decades ((

[Andrey Yuryevich]

“After the modernization of the Project 949A nuclear submarine missile cruisers, their arsenal of missiles will increase substantially.”

well ... an old killer, an old aircraft carrier will work more ...)))

[evil partisan]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

old killer, old aircraft carriers will work more ...

And if you don’t plow deeply?
Hello, old fishing amateur?

[Alex777]

All equipment cannot be upgraded - someone needs to carry out a service, spend a resource. For some, the state of the hull makes modernization pointless.
The admiral correctly said - after 2021.
For failure to meet deadlines you can’t find fault.

[DarkMatter]

The admiral correctly said - after 2021. For failure to meet deadlines you can’t find fault.

5 December 2013
The submarine - the sister of "Kursk" will be modernized for 12 billion
The Irkutsk nuclear submarine will return to the combat strength of the Pacific Fleet in 2017
8 May 2015
Updated Irkutsk nuclear submarine will return to the Pacific Ocean in 2019
7 June 2017
The Irkutsk nuclear submarine will be back in operation in 2021.

03.06.2017
In addition, Borisov added that modernization is underway. boats "Irkutsk"which will go out in 2021 year. Plans are also underway to upgrade three more boats as part of a future armament program until 2025.

07.02.2018
Pacific fleet already by 2021 year can get after modernization four atomic submarines (nuclear submarines) of Project 949A Antei, armed with Caliber missiles, said Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov.

Today, 11: 49
Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) can get adapted for the Caliber-PL missile system, an atomic submarine Project 949A cruiser after 2021.

This is a story for those who have forgotten or did not know. Either one boat, then four at once, in a couple of weeks it turns out to be one again, and even then not exactly ... And they started to make it in which year?
Well, nothing to complain about, right? Everything is just fine, great! They can only talk, blah blah blah, blah blah blah. They are confused in the testimony, but there were no boats as there were not!

[RASKAT]

Such terms are only due to the fact that the capacities of the Zvezda and Zvezdochka plants are not enough.
As for the re-equipment of boats of this series with Caliber, I see no reason at all. Yes, and this is surely again that the journalists messed up something, initially it was about Onyx missiles. And perhaps in the future, Zircon, by the way, most likely.

[Alex777]

You all got it wrong. Calculate how much Onyx weigh.
The asterisk does not deal with this topic.
Gauges are long-range strike weapons. They will be equipped with them. Especially given the message of GDP and the nuclear engine.

[Hammer]

Quote: Alex777

Calculate how much Onyx weigh.

Onyx weighs 3 tons, and Granites 7 tons. 48 onyx versus 24 granite. With comparable range. But the point is not in mass, but in dimensions. With a significant difference in length, not so serious a difference in diameter of 0,67 m versus 0,85 m. Accordingly, without the alteration of launchers, the number of missiles cannot be increased. Yes, 2 calibers (0,53 m) does not climb. So the question arises - how serious will the modernization of PUs be changed to something new?

[Hammer]

Quote: RASKAT

As for the re-equipment of boats of this series with Caliber, I see no reason at all. Yes, and this is surely again that the journalists messed up something, initially it was about Onyx missiles. And perhaps in the future, Zircon, by the way, most likely.

You read between the lines. Given that both calibers, Onyx, and Zircons can start with the same launcher, the updated loaves will carry all options in different variations. And in vain you are against the caliber. Mattresses are not for nothing that they converted 4 of their Ohio into carriers of tomahawks. A very useful thing for land strikes.

[ancestors from Don]

unmanned nuclear submarines are something beyond reason, the Americans have definitely lost it after the speech of GDP, curtailed all their activity, and are in deep out.

[Arberes]

This topic has long been procrastinated on all resources. Nothing new. other than expectations. So the idea is good! Imagine my friends what power it will be!
"Karakurt" began to rivet. Striking power - eight cruise subsonic missiles along the coast: is this a “masterpiece” of our industry? It’s good to use it for marine purposes, but then it should be protected by someone like BOD.
Can all the same make ships capable of protecting themselves?

[dvina71]

Quote: Arberes

Is there little "masterpiece" of our industry for this?

For such a displacement there is even a lot .. And given the wide range of loading options .. from long-range missiles to anti-submarine ones .. such boats are indispensable in connection. With their help, you can strengthen the weaknesses. For example, Moscow carries excellent anti-ship missiles, but it can’t work on the coast .. three karakurt is 24 missiles of large radius .. comparable to the salvo of “Moscow” itself, plus the promised Karakutram air defense of near radius .., with Fort Moscow this is a decent aura ..

[Arberes]

Yes, here I am! With a nanny, walking or threatening from the shore, and even then not everyone will succeed.

[dvina71]

Quote: Arberes

With a nanny walking

What does it mean with a nanny? Squadrons always consisted of different ships. Even when they were wooden .. And the squadron without frigates, barks .. was doomed .. Since then, nothing has changed .. Ships of the 1st class without retinue are less stable.

[ZVO]

Quote: dvina71

And given the wide range of loading options ... from long-range missiles to anti-submarine ones ... such boats are irreplaceable in connections. .

And where will such boats reach without refueling?
And how much will they be able to carry consumables that fall into the autonomy category?
And how many points of the storm will they withstand?

Next to Moscow?
And it turns out that not a single connection in which there is a karakurt can differ from the Phoenician sailing ships, that went along the Mediterranean always in visibility of the coast ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Arberes

This topic has long been procrastinated on all resources.

And some advocate for a mosquito fleet, others - for ships of a higher rank. I don’t get into such disputes, because I’m not a moraine. But I listen to the opinions of others, especially if it is from knowledgeable people. My opinion: both have the right to life. That's just to determine the proportions.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Arberes

This topic has long been procrastinated on all resources.

An article on the re-equipment of "loaves" at the Caliber complex was published at VO in March 2017 - "Project 949A Antey nuclear-powered submarines are armed with Caliber."

Quote: Arberes

"Karakurt" began to rivet. Striking power - eight cruise subsonic missiles along the coast: is this a “masterpiece” of our industry?

8 SLCMs with a range of more than 2500 km on a ship with a displacement of 800 tons - not enough ?!

Quote: Arberes

Can all the same make ships capable of protecting themselves?

There is no such. Myself can only protect the connection of ships.
In addition, until the completion of the "polymer-redoubt" development and the receipt of serial shipboard gas turbine engines, we cannot even make a frigate.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexey RA

Only the connection of the ships can protect itself.

The NK compound can ensure its combat stability within certain limits ... Everything is based on nomograms: both probabilities and mat expectation of the number of downed and sunk ...
But a ship can conduct an air defense battle, albeit with varying degrees of success ... The main thing: the level of refinement of air defense calculations, the readiness of the OTC, the number of attackers, and, of course, the ratio of the range of weapons ... But a single ship is very difficult to withstand when conducting an all-angle naval battle ... There are a lot of examples! Bismarck, Yamato, Sheffield, Stark ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But it is very difficult for a single ship to survive when conducting an all-angle naval battle ...

That is exactly what I had in mind.

Quote: BoA KAA

Examples - a bunch! Bismarck, Yamato, Sheffield, Stark ...

Ahem ... "Sheffield" and "Stark", PMSM, have a great stretch of all-angle naval combat: the first was attacked from one angle, the second was attacked by a single carrier of anti-ship missiles and was struck only because the Iraqi car was neutral in those days -friendly.

[Lesorub]

I think the “Granite” has the same modernization potential! It is a pity the most powerful complex of its time, which has not lost its relevance!

[dvina71]

Granites have not been produced for a long time.

[san4es]

They will be adapted for the Caliber complex of cruise missiles.

... probably like here (approximately)

It is assumed that the first modernized Antey for the Pacific Fleet will be the Irkutsk submarine, which has been located at the Zvezda plant in the village of Bolshoy Kamen of the Primorsky Territory since 2012.
In the spring of 2017, the headquarters of the Navy said that after modernization, the total ammunition of Antey-type submarines will triple - from 24 to 72 missiles on each submarine. Replacing the Granit systems with universal launchers will allow nuclear powered ships to use Caliber and Onyx missiles.
Under project 949A Antey, 11 nuclear submarines were built, of which eight Russian submarines are part of the Russian Navy.

[ZVO]

Quote: san4es

They will be adapted for the Caliber complex of cruise missiles.

... Probably like here (approximately)]

Only there will be 3pcs in a glass.

[Engineer]

Strange news! They used to say that there will be Zircons instead of Granites. Very strange .. The gauges were neither in range nor in striking ability and did not stand close to the Granites.

[Bronevick]

Zircon is no longer in fashion, now rockets with "nuclear engines" are in fashion.

[1vlad19]

They will "work" on land and support vessels of the aircraft carrier group. And Zircon, most likely does not enter the mine in size.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Engineer

The gauges were neither in range nor in striking ability and did not stand close to the Granites.

A year ago, they sorted out that in the case of "loaves", "Caliber" is the name of the complex, not rockets. And in the UVP complex "Caliber" stand as the same name KR / RCC / PLUR, and "onyx".

[annodomene]

Modernization is good. But one should not forget about the extension of IFAs, in terms of expediency. At Baton’s 7th building, the most innocuous offer from MTK TsKB was to install kingstones on all TsGB! Oh how!

[Dead duck]

"Gauges" is certainly good ... but to shoot them down easier ...
"Granite" with one carcass can inflict huge damage on a ship, and you can get into it of course, but it will fly several hundred meters to the target and there it’s already lucky (to the enemy).

[Old26]

Quote: RASKAT

Such terms are only due to the fact that the capacities of the Zvezda and Zvezdochka plants are not enough.
As for the re-equipment of boats of this series with Caliber, I see no reason at all. Yes, and this is surely again that the journalists messed up something, initially it was about Onyx missiles. And perhaps in the future, Zircon, by the way, most likely.

In our country, it is really most often in the course of use of journals to comprehend what they write about. In principle, the most objective was the coverage of the modernization of the 949A project in terms of replacing the main caliber (Granite) with universal launchers. I don’t remember the index right now, I know that the vertical ones had the 3C14 index. In the launcher can be placed EMNIP 3 TPK with missiles. But what kind of missiles these will be is another question. The launcher allows you to launch both the Caliber family of rockets and the Onyx rockets (in the future, Zircon). Of course, after modernization, the weapon control system.

Quote: Alex777

You all got it wrong. Calculate how much Onyx weigh.
The asterisk does not deal with this topic.
Gauges are long-range strike weapons. They will be equipped with them. Especially given the message of GDP and the nuclear engine.

Caliber - long-range strike weapon? Specify only that this concerns, first, targets on the shore, secondly, to shoot at such a range, it is necessary that the carrier (ship, submarine) be close enough to the shore. Hoping that launching a rocket in the ocean someone will hit a target for 1-2 thousand kilometers is stupid, given the features of the guidance system
Well, as without a message of GDP and a nuclear engine. The most cited trend. That's just how close it is to reality, no one knows this engine yet.

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

unmanned nuclear submarines are something beyond reason, the Americans have definitely lost it after the speech of GDP, curtailed all their activity, and are in deep out.

Well, of course. for any of our sneezes they are in deep out. And did not try. It’s pure for myself to solve the navigation problem. Both in terms of being at a particular point in the ocean, and in terms of managing the complex, which is ide at a depth of 1 km at a speed of 200 km / h. How will react to the appearance of obstacles at the bottom. And how can you combine tremendous speed and noiselessness. No, of course, if you have alternative physics and hydrodynamics, this can probably be done. But how, if you have screws, you can reach speeds of 200 km / h - the question to those who wrote the report to the president

Quote: Arberes

This topic has long been procrastinated on all resources. Nothing new. other than expectations. So the idea is good! Imagine my friends what power it will be!
"Karakurt" began to rivet. Striking power - eight cruise subsonic missiles along the coast: is this a “masterpiece” of our industry? It’s good to use it for marine purposes, but then it should be protected by someone like BOD.
Can all the same make ships capable of protecting themselves?

Karakurt, like Buyan-M, do not solve the problem. Ships of the "river-sea" class or ships of the coastal zone will not solve the issues of fleet stability. The almost complete absence of air defense on such ships makes them defenseless in any attack from the air ...

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: Arberes

This topic has long been procrastinated on all resources.

And some advocate for a mosquito fleet, others - for ships of a higher rank. I don’t get into such disputes, because I’m not a moraine. But I listen to the opinions of others, especially if it is from knowledgeable people. My opinion: both have the right to life. That's just to determine the proportions.

At one time (in the 50s) in the USSR there was such an admiral - Amelko. A fan of the mosquito fleet. He believed that it was possible to solve all issues precisely with a mosquito fleet. History has shown that he was wrong.

Quote: Lesorub

I think the “Granite” has the same modernization potential! It is a pity the most powerful complex of its time, which has not lost its relevance!

Would - would be modernized long ago. "Granite" is actually a continuation of the line "Basalt" - "Volcano" - "Granite". But for almost 40 years, nothing new in the continuation (modernization) of this complex has appeared. It is difficult to say whether it has lost its relevance or not. A huge rocket, but required external target designation. What alas, no ..

Quote: Bronevick

Zircon is no longer in fashion, now rockets with "nuclear engines" are in fashion.

Of course not in fashion. You didn’t understand that as soon as something new appears (fiction or true), the previous weapons cease to be quoted. At first there was "Status-6," everyone was just talking about him. Then there was a blow to Syria from the Caspian Sea to Syria. Everyone immediately saw the light and found out that now the "wunderwaffe" is called "Caliber". Then "appeared" in the media "Zircon" - also another "wunderwaffe." Now it is a "cruise missile with a nuclear power plant." But if the previous “Products” had something that can be called the basis, the basis on which these or other weapon systems grew, then the latter cannot be said. It’s not at all clear what it is, what speeds and so on. There are much more questions than answers. She came out of nowhere. And do not talk about secrecy and all that. Absolute secrecy in the presence of thousands of people and dozens of counterparties is completely impossible to implement. Something will always manifest itself, at the level of rumors, unconfirmed statements, and so on. And here the "nuclear cruise missile" jumped out like a devil out of a snuffbox. In the "Dagger" and even easier to believe ....

Quote: 1vlad19

They will "work" on land and support vessels of the aircraft carrier group. And Zircon, most likely does not enter the mine in size.

Which mine? TPK "Caliber", "Onyx" and "Zircon" seem to have identical dimensions

[Zomanus]

Oh, the "loaves" on the "pumping" went. Imagine a picture of a volley from under water.
And given the fact that the mines will be unified,
then maybe the "Yakhonts" with the "Zircons" will be able to run.

[musorg]

With such a deadline, the project will already be written off. And how much does Irkutsk already cost?