Europe offers gas to Ukraine at 1 thousand dollars

On the eve, the Ukrainian president announced the stabilization of the situation with gas supplies to the country. According to Poroshenko, European countries (Poland, Slovakia, Hungary) have increased the supply of "blue fuel", covering the resulting deficit. The pricing aspects of these supplies are disclosed by Naftogaz, its commercial director Yuri Vitrenko. On his Facebook page Vitrenko wrote about the price of this gas.

Vitrenko пишет:

Gas these days in Europe cost us 1 thousand dollars, that is, 4 times more than the contract with Gazprom.

This is followed by a whole series of laudatory ones addressed to his own company, as well as an attempt to explain that financial losses will eventually be compensated by someone. At the same time, Vitrenko pretends that Ukraine hasn’t purchased gas from Europe since March 1, which clearly contradicts Poroshenko’s statements.

Vitrenko:

But we earn money for Ukraine, and not lose. This is our understanding of how a national company should work.

And we do it. Naftogaz is a vertically integrated group of companies. We provide a sixth of all state budget revenues and about 7 percent of GDP. Without positive changes in Naftogaz, there would not even be a current small GDP growth.

Naftogaz is no longer a black hole, as before the revolution of dignity. This is national wealth.

And in order to increase this wealth, we now have a legal opportunity to demand compensation from Gazprom for losses due to the disruption of gas supplies from its side.

Thus, instead of directly supplying gas from Russia, Ukraine gets the need to negotiate the supply of the same gas, but already through Europe, at prices set by the Europeans themselves. I wonder if in Naftogaz they will file a lawsuit against the Poles, the Hungarians and the Slovaks over their multiple price increases?

Comments

[Spartanez300]

Buy by reverse through Europe the same gas from the "aggressor" but only four times more expensive This can only be in Dill . And while still praising themselves how smart and rich they are .

[dSK]

Quote: Spartanez300

gas from the "aggressor" but only four times more expensive

Santa Claus “makes up” and the Snow Maiden does not lag behind about grandfathers.
The “Hyena” of Europe will not miss its place, it will come off to the full.
My grandmother had a Russian stove, a cool thing, what delicious baked bread. At the top. a black sheepskin coat lay on the banks.

[Stranger03]

I wonder if Naftogaz will file a lawsuit against the Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks over their multiple overpricing?

With a high degree of probability, Ukraine will file a lawsuit with the Stockholm arbitration demanding that Gazprom compensate for the difference in value on the basis of the decision already made.

[Genry]

Quote: Stranger03

With a high degree of probability, Ukraine will file a lawsuit with the Stockholm arbitration demanding that Gazprom compensate for the difference in value on the basis of the decision already made.

Only they forgot that the decisions made do not apply to a later period, in which there should be either a clear implementation of the previous contract or the conclusion of a new one. Both that and another, since March, it is already impossible to do.
If the old contract were valid in full, then for the non-delivery of gas by Gazprom, the Russian state would respond (as a guarantor) and compensate for all losses. New interpretations of the treaty made it null and void (meaning and content changed). And the abolition of the “take or pay” principle for the old supply volumes, automatically exempt Gazprom from delivering them according to new requirements, they can now safely say: “there were no free volumes of gas, not enough”

[Shurik70]

I wonder if Naftogaz will file a lawsuit against the Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks over their multiple overpricing?

Very correct question. Another question is whether Europe will increase the volume of purchases from Russia (in transit through Ukraine) in order to sell to Ukraine.

[Slovak]

Quote: Stranger03

I wonder if Naftogaz will file a lawsuit against the Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks over their multiple overpricing?

With a high degree of probability, Ukraine will file a lawsuit with the Stockholm arbitration demanding that Gazprom compensate for the difference in value on the basis of the decision already made.

Friends of Ukraine supplies gas for up to $ 1325! There is no reason to demand compensation. There is no agreement between Nafto and Gazprom. The 2009 contract does not provide for deliveries in pieces; the full volume is prescribed there.

[igor.borov775]

Hello!!! They will surely serve, Since we have already been thrown, thrown again, We created this mess with mutual settlements, There is nobody to blame, There are many additions and provisions there. On this, I caught GAZPROM, Remember how they rested in Kiev at the price of our gas offered them all discounts, but in return there is not enough our price is that By and large, Kiev tore out the lost revenue in Crimea in Crimea, T in the COURT is already playing the role of a politician, The most annoying thing is that it will be very difficult to change the decision in Stockholm, And Kiev will look for an opportunity to snatch good grandmothers from the gas giant and in vain ours are hoping for Europe, they won’t shake them,

[artifact]

already:
All this overpayment will be offered to Gazprom for compensation, ”the commercial director of Naftogaz Yury Vitrenko promises to Ukrainians on his page on the social network.
Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1520250363

[Finches]

Russian gas entering Ukraine from the territory of Russia poses a threat to its independence, while Russian gas from the territory of Slovakia does not! Why? Because during the time he passes through Slovakia, he manages to be saturated with European values! - The people there are waving!

[romandostalo]

Nothing logical. Only business in Ukrainian.

[scientist]

When you have a manual arbitration court in Stockholm up your sleeve, any business will be fantastically profitable!
I think that trade in “European” air and fines for air from Russia will begin soon.

[210ox]

Because PONTS .. And this is important. And they will not stand behind the price.

Quote: Finches

Russian gas entering Ukraine from the territory of Russia poses a threat to its independence, while Russian gas from the territory of Slovakia does not! Why? Because during the time he passes through Slovakia, he manages to be saturated with European values! - The people there are waving!

[kapitan92]

Quote: 210ox

And they will not stand behind the price.

. Here slovaks and Hungarians "freebie flooded"!

[Lelek]

Quote: 210ox

Because PONTS .. And this is important. And they will not stand behind the price.

Ponty with a stock der ** ts.

But not only for Ukraine, the Stockholm court also laid the baaisha pig for the whole EU:

[Clumsy]

Holy cleansing))), the pipe in Europe cleanses, with the spirit of democracy ,,))) well, and a little little show, only four times)))

[Kent0001]

the local people don’t have a brain ...

[- = ANTRAX = -]

the country of the eternal has overcome.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Spartanez300

Buy by reverse through Europe the same gas from the "aggressor" but only four times more expensive

It would be good for our Gazprom to trade like that with Europe. On some tax deductions it would be possible to develop the economy.
So, Ukrainians will give odds to Qatar on the gas trade issue. Through Naftogaz, some people looted such loot there that the Arab sheikhs had a thought about their own inferiority.

[Vincent]

Tse paramoga!

[Ascetic]

Quote: Spartanez300

Buy by reverse through Europe the same gas from the "aggressor" but only four times more expensive

- Bombardier, you have two dollars.
- Monopoly.
Quote from the movie “The Trust That Burst”

[Fitter65]

Quote: Spartanez300

Buy by reverse through Europe the same gas from the "aggressor" but only four times more expensive. This can only be in Dill.

And it will be as the maydauns say

And in order to increase this wealth, we now have a legal opportunity to demand compensation from Gazprom for losses due to the disruption of gas supplies from its side.

And in this the most “honest” Swedish arbitration will help them ...

[Vladivostok1969]

Nothing personal just business.

[svp67]

Gas these days in Europe cost us 1 thousand dollars, that is, 4 times more than the contract with Gazprom.

And here it is INTERESTING, and under what contract and what price?

I wonder if Naftogaz will file a lawsuit against the Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks over their multiple overpricing?

Not. They don’t need it when there is Gazprom and the loyal courts of Europe. Already stated that they will sue the entire overpayment from Russia

[dauria]

when there is Gazprom and the loyal courts of Europe. Already stated that they will sue the entire overpayment from Russia

Not so simple. The court cannot allow itself to be “loyal” to the impudent. Otherwise, in all other transactions, there may be another arbitration. For example, Chinese. "Consent is a product with complete non-opposition of the parties" Or even simpler - in the morning money, in the evening chairs. But money ahead. This is sobering, especially in winter and not only Ukraine. Still, Russia has gas, do not forget this.

[svp67]

Quote: dauria

The court cannot allow itself to be “loyal” to the impudent.

Looking at the modern “fair” refereeing in the West, in relation to Russia, its companies and people, I’m not so sure about that anymore.

Quote: dauria

Otherwise, in all other transactions, there may be another arbitration. For example, Chinese.

What I think will happen. But first, most likely they will try the English court

Quote: dauria

But money ahead.

In this situation, it’s not Gazprom that suffers the most, but those who will buy its gas, since it’s clear at whose expense this “unexpected waste” will compensate

[tolmachiev51]

"Poor" Julia !!! - why were you in prison ???

[Theodore]

The thief must sit there!

[Bosch]

You have to pay for everything, Mr. Banderlog.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Bosch

You have to pay for everything, Mr. Banderlog.

So the Russians will pay, a fair European court will certainly issue a verdict in favor of the maydowns, and Gazprom will compensate for these losses at our expense, and so the banderlogs will “pay”.

[Herculesic]

Lox is a way of life ! As Europe ukroinu once again raped by money!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Herkulesich

As Europe ukroinu once again raped by money!

And how Europe raped once again Russia-forcing to pay Ukraine for its difficult economic situation. So in vain rejoice .....

[1 Navigator]

Well, okay. Everything is as it should be.

[andrewkor]

Submit to the Gnairopei people in the Stockholm court, demand ... (put the amount yourself) billion $, the usual thing!

[K.A.S.]

A good idea! Interesting Ukrainians will do so? They will demand through the court to lower prices from European suppliers. Or is it only for the aggregator

[Herculesic]

And who is constantly deceiving whom? Europe is skillfully twisting ropes from ukroin, we would have to learn from them how to pump billions out of a poor country, you look, and the countries to which we wrote off our debts turned out to be solvent in a different scenario.

[aszzz888]

Gas these days in Europe cost us 1 thousand dollars, that is, 4 times more than the contract with Gazprom.

Verily, ukrokakly not in himself !!!! Only Petska-drunk will catch his fish in this muddy water.

At the same time, Vitrenko pretends that Ukraine has not purchased gas from Europe since March 1, which clearly contradicts Poroshenko’s statements.

Yeah, I presented ... Look, don’t tear yourself up with a gift !!!

[captain]

I read almost all the comments. The majority of writers here believe that Ukraine is ruled by fools, and the people there are stupid and obedient. Dear commentators, if you think that fools rule there, then you are deeply mistaken. We now owe Ukraine a huge amount of money. They must simply because our leadership considered the enemy suckers, as many write here. But they were not suckers and have money out of thin air, our money. And it remains to be seen what will happen to the Nord Stream. Suddenly it turns out that the EC will not approve him? There is a good Russian proverb; "Do not boast about walking on the army." The enemy must be respected, and not show off.

[aszzz888]

captain Today, 08:37 ... that Ukraine is ruled by fools

Merikatos rule ukrokaklii, and for them such a thing as "people" does not exist, they simply do not exist in their merit plans, PHYSICALLY they do not want people to be.

But they were not suckers and have money from the air, our money.

This money was made to them by the court, which is under the external and internal influence of the same meriticos. Isn't that clear ?!

And it remains to be seen what will happen to the Nord Stream. Suddenly it turns out that the EC will not approve him?

So it’s frozen in the winter. Like flies, only flies thaw in the spring, and the Geyropeans do NOT, it does not shine for them by nature.

The enemy must be respected, and not show off.

And for what respect Ukronatsistov? For their Nazi hatred ideas?
For the murders of peaceful citizens of LDNR?!?!?

[Aleks2048]

You can repeat a hundred times as a mantra about the fact that the United States rules in Ukraine, but the stupidity of the leadership of Gazprom and with it the officials in the Russian Federation just rolls over. How could implementing the gas supply agreement also prove necessary? At the same time, as athletes from the Russian Federation, let's write everything off to the bias of the court? Maybe we’ll stop reckoning with Europe and simply block the gas before the courts decide on disputes.

[aszzz888]

Alex2048 Today, 10:59 AM Maybe we will stop reckoning with Europe and simply block the gas before the courts decide on disputes.

Well, you bent it! On the contrary, now, when they are dying from the cold in a geyrop, you need to twist the wise guys, and make it clear that without our gas they will be mammoths - they will erupt into their walls!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: captain

The enemy must be respected, and not show off.

How would it be softer to explain ... In a nutshell: DON'T CASE

Quote: captain

We now owe Ukraine a huge amount of money.

I apologize for the trivial question: why suddenly? The decision of the Stockholm court is not proposed. The same dill at the moment owes its entire territory (there is no talk of money already), and nothing, while stirring, even surviving. So, in your expression, fate itself ordered us to "let out show-offs".

[Aleks2048]

Ukraine, if they do not forgive debts, will at least always delay them. And the Russian Federation will arrest property abroad. Have you been arresting military equipment for a long time? If the debt on a dispute lost in court would be paid off first of all at the expense of the personal funds of top management, Gazprom would not be so annoyed, but they would remain with money and with paid bonuses, and the Russian Federation has a hole in the budget.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Alex2048

and the Russian Federation has a hole in the budget.

Wring out. Nothing is over there yet. Appeals, counterclaims will still be. To GAZPROM, in the presence of an army of lawyers, so easily parted with the money ... Well, let’s take a look.

[aszzz888]

Alex2048 Today, 11:10 and the Russian Federation has a hole in the budget.

Excuse me, but where is this in the "budget", in which item of expenditure?

[Aleks2048]

And this is from non-receipt of income. See the wrong section.

[Strashila]

Perhaps they consider themselves the smartest ... they can pay one and a half thousand, it all depends on the size of kickbacks ... and the calculation is simple ... hang up the compensation for the difference in the price of Gazprom through the court ... they already did this.

[Dormidont]

Our Middle Eastern partners will not miss their

[rotmistr60]

Naftogaz This is national wealth ... 4 times more than under the contract with Gazprom

It is to what extent Russophobia should have reached that overpaying for gas 4 times the company represents "national wealth"? Everything mixed up in the Ukrainian house and Russophobia, and aggression, and elementary stupidity.

[Dormidont]

For fools must be treated

[Same lech]

Naftogaz is no longer a black hole, as before the revolution of dignity. This is national wealth.
And in order to increase this wealth, we now have a legal opportunity to demand from Gazprom

Mdaa ...
in other words, Russian gas is the national wealth of Ukraine. ..How firmly sits in the minds of Selyuk from UKRAINE thought .... that everything that is with RUSSIA should be a gift to them ... parasites in a word.

[Clumsy]

The most powerful weapon of mass destruction is a saucepan and drushlag))) a whole country is covered))) buy four times more expensive and you will be happy)))

[Metallurg_2]

Horror, how can you put cancer in a country that has been protecting the whole world from the Russian threat for the fifth year ...

[ibn.shamai]

Quote: romandostalo

Nothing logical. Only business in Ukrainian.

Here! Announce the price of 1000! Buy 300 and cut the rest of the headstock!

[Strashila]

Quote: Dormidont

Our Middle Eastern partners will not miss their

probably midwestern ... ???

[Vard]

We already pump gas to Europe at the limit of profitability ... and what Ukraine wants ... to raise the price for transit makes it unprofitable ... So everything is right ...

[lopvlad]

Gas these days in Europe cost us 1 thousand dollars, that is, 4 times more than the contract with Gazprom.

it's called "outsmarting yourself."
They bought gas for a penny and in 2009 decided to revise the contract “they say we pay dearly and we want to revise the contract” and as a result we began to pay several times more. In the Ukrainian media they gave out the signed contract as “I can” and Tymoshenko as the savior of Ukraine.
They bought gas in Russia round at a price much lower than in Europe, but decided that it was expensive and eventually filed for arbitration to change the contract. Arbitration in Stockholm met them, under pressure from the United States, allowing the contract to be changed, but here’s the issue of the price per cubic meter of gas under the amended contract had to be decided through negotiations between Gazprom and Naftogaz, which should be reflected in an additional agreement to the contract.
But in Ukraine, everyone is the smartest and they decided for themselves that the gas price for them will remain the same despite a reduction in gas purchases in the contract (for example, you took 40 boxes of apples under the old contract and the producer sold them to you at wholesale prices but you decided to change the contract and take 1 box of apples at the same time you want to leave the price per box wholesale).
So the arbitral tribunal can only allow changes to the contract regarding the volume of goods, but cannot force someone to sell the goods at the old price, because this is capitalism and if the contract is changed, the payment conditions change (type of payment, cost per unit of goods, etc. )

Again, the Ukrainians themselves have been too smart.

[bald]

It seems that it’s not completely stupid and done. The people - yes, are fools, and those who signed contracts and "svidomye" - they put huge kickbacks in their pocket.

[evil partisan]

Played hahly with a virtual reverse. Now everything is grown-up. Welcome to real capitalism

[sgr291158]

Business in Khokhlyat style, refuse cheap, buy at more expensive.

[Wolka]

nothing surprising, here you have Ukraine ce Europe, freedom above all, let them live and deny themselves nothing ...

[Alex von Dorn]

For that fought for it and ran. Very happy, well, sooooo happy!

[Snail N9]

In addition to the link to this phrase on Twitter, there are no official data confirming the price of gas, which is supposedly 4 times higher than the previous Russian one. Previous reports said that Slovak gas for Ukraine should have cost only 10-15% more. And suddenly a message appears about the price of $ 1000. It is advisable to read the explanation of how such changes in price occurred (if true). Can someone drop a link to the information?

[Genry]

Quote: Snail N9

Previous reports said that Slovak gas for Ukraine should have cost only 10-15% more. And suddenly a message appears about the price of $ 1000.

$ 1000 is offhand ... Now there is NO free gas in Europe, but the one that you can immediately buy on the exchange is worth .... (like the cost of a taxi during a metro disaster)

[Saffron]

Friends 4 times more expensive than the "achressor"? True democracy!

[gukoyan]

They buy our gas 4 times more expensive ... Well done, but they buy coal from the ocean ... what can I say The ruin is growing and flourishing)))
They breed them like rabbits ...)

[private person]

However, experts explain that termination of contracts can create problems for Gazprom itself. The company is unlikely to be able to avoid compensation for Naftogaz for the costs that would be caused by such a decision. The contract may also prescribe penalties for unilateral refusal to fulfill obligations.

In addition, when Russia suspends gas supplies through Ukraine, several countries will suffer at once: Italy, Bulgaria, all the Balkans, Hungary, Greece and others. And they, in turn, as explained by an expert on the oil and gas market Mikhail Krutikhin, may well go to court themselves and demand material compensation from Russia for violation of contractual obligations. “In this way, Gazprom may be subject to heavy fines, not to mention a spoiled reputation,” the interlocutor of MK warned.
And how will Gazprom respond to such a statement by experts? It was necessary not to break contracts and not to sign unprofitable, Europe will have from Ukrainians for our gas and then they will also impose fines on Russia.

[BAI]

several countries will suffer at once: Italy, Bulgaria, all the Balkans, Hungary, Greece and others.

Gas can always be delivered in several routes (this is laid in advance when designing a network of gas pipelines - you never know what force majeure will arise on the route), the cheapest route is simply chosen. If Ukraine refuses, transport costs of Gazprom will increase, but the contract will be fulfilled. Recipients will not suffer.

[private person]

It's not me who invented it, experts say, when in December Gazprom won the arbitration, the urapatriots shouted victory. And then there’s how Gazprom has deployed everything, and it should pay extra for the “property of the people”. If all of the EU against Russia to prove their case is almost impossible, no one will listen.

[alexmach]

Well, the fact of the matter is that Gazprom does not have particularly alternative routes to the same southern European countries.

[Genry]

Now there is LNG.
If your tankers are not enough, you can temporarily give permission to foreign ones.

[alexmach]

At whom, in what volumes and at what price? But what about the current gas supply contracts?

[Vlad Petrov]

Nobody wants to give money to the ancient fantastic nation either the IMF, the EU or even the Romanian gypsies. And then the Swedes fussed over 2,56 billion dollars. The contract concluded by Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko that draws where I want to turn there. Exactly two tranches of the IMF, which the Sumerians are waiting for the second year. But they went further. Right now, we will buy gas four times more expensive from the EU, and we will demand the difference from Russia. In short, continuous historical victories and flogging of the Russian gas giant continue

[evil partisan]

Quote: Vlad Petrov

flogging the Russian gas giant continues

Who is this and when did Gazprom get it? Lithuania maybe?

[alexmach]

And how will Gazprom respond to such a statement by experts? It was necessary not to break contracts and not to sign unprofitable, Europe will have from Ukrainians for our gas and then they will also impose fines on Russia.

What kind of smart you are, backward mind. What does it mean not to sign unprofitable, the contract for Gazprom was the most chocolate of chocolate. This court redrawn him at a disadvantage.

[private person]

Now let Gazprom scratch their “chocolate eye”, they (Gazprom) so hoped that the court would take their side.

[Clumsy]

Without sucker, life is boring))) My wife got a colander, cooked macaroni, asks what I'm laughing at))) and I want to add a cockade to a colander)))

[Altona]

Gas is bought on the principle of "high gas for 1000 US dollars, but not Muscovites."

[Saffron]

Do you know why they charge so much? Already voices from Ukraine sound that the difference in the price of under-delivered gas and gas purchased in Europe from Gazprom will be demanded from Russia. Stupid, it was necessary to take $ 10 thousand for 1 cube

[private person]

So it will be 99,9% and the court will award no doubt.

[Altona]

Quote: Snail N9

And suddenly a message appears about the price of $ 1000. It is advisable to read the explanation of how such changes in price occurred (if true). Can someone drop a link to the information?

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Such a price can be set only with force majeure. Given that the statement was made on the internal public, this may be another appeal "to prepare for the land", that is, to increase communal.

[Piramidon]

... financial losses in the end will be compensated by someone

It is easy to guess that this “someone” will be a tariff increase.

[BAI]

Gas these days in Europe cost us $ 1

Not a full quote. 1 day was 1352.

[cats]

So here is the secret ..
Gazprom just needs to bid one and a half thousand.
And they will take ..
Well, cunning, these hahly.

[Chilean Abalon]

Just one word was replaced and the result was a fake.

[Snail N9]

Yes, slowly it begins to loom that the gas that now goes to Ukraine allegedly at $ 1000 is nonsense. But after reading the comments above, at first, once again I am convinced how many “pan-and-headed” “hooray-patriots” we have - no less than in Ukraine.

[Vanek]

in 4 times

CHE, SERIOUSLY?

But we earn

KAAAK ???

[Separ]

The price of gas is 1000 bucks !!! Probably the smell like "Shanel No. 5"

[Vladimir]

How can I not recall Lavrov - ,,, d .... s b .... b.

[savage]

Without loch and life is bad.

[alexmach]

It’s just that in Europe they buy it on the so-called “Spot Market” and not on any long-term contracts. Roughly speaking, this is a market where "leftovers and surpluses" are sold. And during the frost, what other surplus? And then probably we are talking about some kind of peak price there. Most likely they didn’t buy anything - they would eat enough gas in storage, and there you see the frost will go away and the stop price will again become more or less acceptable.

[Snail N9]

Yes, there they have them at "spot" prices: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2018/03/3/7173
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Actually, the whole fuss fired because Ukraine wanted to amend the “global” rules for gas sales, namely, the “spot rule” in terms of volume and price to apply to long-term contracts, and for the “peak” to take the last price at which gas was sold under long-term contracts, and in addition to introduce such a thing as a “special situation of transit countries”, that is, determine the price of gas for the countries of “transit countries” by their “ability to pay”, which should be established by the “European Commission”. It is clear that Gazprom did not go to such a scam that was obviously losing to him.

[prior]

It seems neither in Ukraine nor in Europe have yet understood that Russia “scored” decisions of “authoritative international courts”, IOCs, WADs, corrupt, politicized and biased. Who does not believe, ask PACE.
We don’t give our own to whom we owe - we forgive everyone, we’ll certainly come for our money.

[private person]

You are naive, Russia did not score on anyone and pays everyone to the IOCs, WADs, PACE just not in full to pay for membership. And no one wants to leave them.

[Volodia.semuhin1958]

In Europe, a new feature - Catch Ukrainians with their bare hands.

[RECORHE]

The Poles cheapened !!! If I were in their place, I would have lifted up every 10-15. And here only four times. Rejoice, Sumerians, that you bought so cheap!

[earloop]

It’s warm from Euro gas on the soul, and cold on the skin.

[Ru_Na]

Hmm, such idiocy is possible only in Ukraine!