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Kirzach vs berets. Part of 3

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So, in a possible future war, what type of footwear will be most prevalent: kirzac or berets? Of course, in itself, such an approach to the question now looks strange and may seem to many not even controversial, but simply inappropriate. They say that the army has moved to the berets, the berets are now everywhere and everywhere, and the question, it would seem, is not here.


At the same time, it must be said at once that this question depends crucially on the nature, scale and duration of a future war. From whether it will be short and local, or there will be a protracted world massacre involving many millions of armies, it just depends on what type of footwear will prevail in the army.

Shoes in local war

For the war is relatively small and local, in principle, there is no difference what kind of shoes used by the opposing parties. In the military-economic sense, equipping troops for a local war uses the shoes that are available, or the one that can be obtained. For example, in the Indochina War, the American army was shod with berets, and they were supplied to the allies - the armies of South Vietnam and Lonnol Kampuchea. Their opponents: the North Vietnamese army and the Khmer Rouge fought mostly in slippers, and only at the end of the war, having got hold of trophies, began to wear American shoes. Then, already clutching between themselves, the Vietnamese and the Red Khmers wore American shoes and again switched to rubber slippers. Only at the end of a long war in Cambodia against the Khmer Rouge, the Vietnamese army had an interesting look of military shoes, something like “military sneakers,” canvas sneakers with lacing, the sole of which was made from rubber vulcanized coating. Obviously local, Vietnamese production.


Vietnamese corporal (the title of Ha Chi, roughly corresponding to corporal or corporal) in the "military sneakers." Photo taken in Cambodia in 1989, on tank flag of transition state Cambodia


In local wars, relatively small contingents are involved, from 4-5 thousand to 200-250 thousand people. Small and sluggish wars, like the war in Afghanistan, usually involve 20-30 thousands of people on each side. Larger regional wars, such as the war in Yugoslavia or the war in Syria, involve about 200 in thousands of people from each side. It is unlikely that it will be possible to establish exact figures in each case, but special accuracy is not needed here, and the order of numbers is important.

So, the average contingent in a small local war will wear out about 60 thousands of pairs of shoes per year (if we accept delivery twice a year; without taking into account trophies and robbery, which cannot be taken into account), and an average contingent in a larger regional war will wear out 400 thousand pairs of shoes. This is very little compared to the scale of shoe production in the world. In 2016, 22 billions of shoes were produced (including 14,6 billions in China). Of this amount, 2,7 billion were demolished in China, 1,9 billion in the US (this is the most shod country in the world - 7 pairs of shoes per person per year), 1,6 billion in India, and 1,6 billion in the European Union. It is clearly seen that, with such capacities, shod armies involved in local and regional conflicts are not particularly difficult.

The average shoe factory is quite capable of producing up to 2-3 million pairs of shoes per year. Shoe factories often make contract lots for 50-100 thousands of pairs, in accordance with the requirements of the buyer. In China, India and Pakistan, small, semi-handicraft production of shoes in small batches and in cash is very well developed. So, there are the widest possibilities for supplying shoes to the participants of local wars. Depending on the financial possibilities of shoes you can also order any, both cheap and simple, and expensive.

When there is plenty to choose from, then, of course, in the first place will be more individually comfortable shoes, as well as more fashionable shoes. Of course, fashion has an impact on military equipment, as discussed in the first part of the article. For the warring parties in a local war, it is very dangerous to neglect the military fashion, since the “unsupervised” army can lose its reputation, lose support and suffer defeat in the long run. It seems that this is not the last consideration, with which the army and troops in various local wars wear shoes or boots. So brutal, so steeper, and so on.

Kirzach vs berets. Part of 3
Paphos - too weapon. Somewhere in the Congo


Polls in kirzachi

But still, I personally think that in the future we are not waiting for a series of small and local clashes, but a big war, global in scale, which will involve key military powers, including, of course, Russia. There are a number of reasons for this, but I will not describe them in detail now so as not to occupy space. I will cite only a thesis, not so much evidence as illustrative property. Chains of small wars, one way or another, led to a big world war. War is a consequence of sharp contradictions, and minor skirmishes can not always resolve these contradictions.

Any big war, as can be seen from the example of the First and Second World Wars, inevitably leads to the following economic consequences. First, the absolute decline in domestic production. Secondly, a sharp reduction in foreign trade, to the point of almost complete cessation (but such cases were rarely; basically, war is the time to trade). In addition to the reduction, foreign trade is segmented, that is, trade ties with the enemy are completely broken. These two factors lead to a shortage of goods and impoverishment of the population, both in warring and in neutral countries.

For Russia in the conditions of war, this will most likely bring a sharp reduction in footwear imports. Now, of the order of 300 million pairs consumed annually, only 50-80 million pairs are produced domestically (including about 16,5 million pairs of military shoes, which is enough for 8 million security forces). China - one of the main participants in the likely big war - is, of course, the first thing to do without importing raw materials. The naval blockade is the first item in all the well-known US plans in the event of hostilities against China. In a war, China will have to not only transfer a significant part of its economy to military production, but also reduce the export of goods, including footwear.

For the big war, now we can offer different scenarios (including the scenario of the war of Russia against NATO, described in my book Russia against NATO. Analysis of probable war), however, the general situation, it seems, will be that Russia will remain without imported shoes, and somewhere in six months after the start of the war (most likely in the winter), there will be an acute and extremely intolerable shortage of shoes for the civilian sector. We have more or less established military footwear production, and we must assume that it has reserves to hold on for a year or a year and a half of war, and there must also be some mobilization reserves. But the population will not shod in anything! That's just a kersey boot - this is just the solution to this acute shortage of civilian shoes. Of course, to achieve production of the order of 300 million pairs of kirzachs in a year is a very difficult task, but it may be necessary. The population must work for war, and without boots it is difficult to work.


You can work without boots, but it is hardly convenient


Further. Most likely, the military operations will be conducted in the Baltic States, in Ukraine, in the North Caucasus, as well as in the Far East, and, probably, in Central Asia. It is unlikely that our army will conduct large-scale battles in the desert or in the mountains, and in these theaters the kirzac has once again proved its advantage over the boot.

In addition, the boots need summer and winter insulated, while a kirzac can also be winter shoes, if you take the boots a size larger, wind thick footcloths. Technologically, this is a significant relief in the production of footwear and a reduction in the consumption of artificial wool, which is still used to make clothing.

In a big war, there will also be a factor of automobilization, which in its scale exceeds the automobilization of the Second World War. I think that tens of millions of cars will be mobilized, without much exaggeration, not only in the army, but also in the economy, as well as for transportation in the interests of the army. Now it has become quite possible.

But at the same time, the experience of the Second World War, and some modern examples, such as the long-suffering route Never-Yakutsk, show that the passage of large masses of wheeled and tracked vehicles turn almost any road into a mess of dirt, in which even ATVs drown. On such roads in the shoes are not particularly something and you will pass, we need boots, at least tarpaulin. Cases in which troops stuck in impassable mud were far from uncommon in the last great war, and certainly would not be uncommon in the future big war.


The famous road to Yakutsk, broken by vehicles. Approximately the same will look and the road of the future big war


Finally, we must not forget that any big war is closely connected with the performance of numerous heavy work: sapper, construction, road, which are produced by both troops and civilian organizations or paramilitary structures, such as working battalions. For heavy work, shoes are needed, and there is also nothing better than a kirzach, especially in the absence of imported shoes.

This is the analysis of a likely big war: polls in kirzacs. Only this type of footwear is suitable for the conditions of the most probable theaters of this likely big war, suitable for the army, for working battalions and for wide circles of the population. As soon as a big war breaks out, a massive transition to a kirzach will be inevitable.
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  1. Clueless
    Clueless 5 March 2018 15: 09
    +14
    "Shoes are needed for hard work, and there is also nothing better than a kirzach, especially in the absence of imported shoes." - bring idiocy to the masses further :)
    Of course EVA boots are worse than kirzachi, and rubber ones are also worse .. Author You continue to wear kirzachi :)
    The same EVA boot for heavy current work has one drawback - that they are afraid of oil products, but in this case there are rubber ones.
    For war - berets, for frost winter boots, for household works - EVA .. and do not combine incompatible
    1. AUL
      AUL 5 March 2018 15: 53
      +17
      Just do not need about EVA songs! Yes, they are warm, yes, light. But absolutely can not stand the mechanical impact. Torn by any knot, pebble, garbage. They are good for winter fishing, when the conditions for them are hothouse. But still, for five years of fishing, I changed 3 pairs of EVA boots, although I did not go fishing every day and walked mainly on ice and snow. And in the conditions of the database they will not last a week. And you won’t bring a car into them - they are very voluminous, they do not fit on the pedals.
      1. Thor
        Thor 5 March 2018 21: 50
        +15
        Amused start notes:
        So, in a likely future war, what type of shoes will be most prevalent: a kirzach or berets?

        WHITE Slippers, author! Glowing! With the power of light in dofiga Curie!
        laughing am
    2. Artek
      Artek 5 March 2018 15: 57
      +7
      I wonder what kind of goat came up with this site -vs on a Russian site? It seems to be Russian by name.
      1. Praetorian4
        Praetorian4 5 March 2018 19: 09
        +22
        Teaching whether or not to write VS correctly on a Russian site, it would be nice to know yourself how the word "Russian" is spelled.
        1. Artek
          Artek 6 March 2018 09: 49
          0
          Quote: Praetorian4
          Teaching whether or not to write VS correctly on a Russian site, it would be nice to know yourself how the word "Russian" is spelled.


          Russian is written with one _С_, as it is written in Russian chronicles — the Radzivilov annals, as they wrote in the 19th century — the Muravyov Constitution, and the double _С_ is the reverse slave translation from German.
          1. Praetorian4
            Praetorian4 7 March 2018 19: 01
            +2
            So stick to the rest of the grammar then. And then some kind of fancifully selective tactics, it turns out.
            1. Aqela
              Aqela 7 March 2018 22: 35
              +4
              vote for the return of yati, omega, uss, etc. laughing laying down! wink
              1. Praetorian4
                Praetorian4 8 March 2018 20: 47
                0
                By itself. And then some are not authentic Russians.
      2. Seba
        Seba 5 March 2018 19: 41
        +5
        And what are your claims to Latin?
        1. Artek
          Artek 6 March 2018 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: seba
          And what are your claims to Latin?


          big ...
        2. Aqela
          Aqela 7 March 2018 22: 36
          0
          The people have awesome claims for a dead language that they don’t know at all, even by hearsay am wassat lol laughing tongue
          1. Sma11
            Sma11 8 March 2018 10: 54
            +2
            Quote: Aqela
            The people have awesome claims for a dead language that they don’t know at all, even by hearsay am wassat lol laughing tongue

            Done right good ! You think that chemists, pharmacists, doctors, Catholics, etc., periodically use it. They are not people, but so the devil wassat incomprehensible. Your ignorance of Church Slavonic does not mean that it is not needed. Is it too early for all the people to harness? Can you bear it?
        3. 505506
          505506 17 March 2018 11: 01
          +1
          Claims. Russian. Shoot from the shit ...
    3. Sma11
      Sma11 5 March 2018 17: 43
      +3
      Quote: Bad
      .For war - berets, for frost winter boots, for household work - EVA .. and do not combine incompatible
      . He introduced a soldier with three pairs of shoes in a sidor + a heap of uniforms (which is now put in the state). It's a camel bro. Really
      Quote: Bad
      we bring idiocy to the masses further :) and do not combine incompatible
      1. Ilya Belin
        Ilya Belin 7 March 2018 23: 26
        +2
        [quote = Sma11].It's a camel bro. [/ quote] [/ quote]

        No, this is n-and-n-d-o-s. No wonder their Serbs called p-i-n-d-o-s-ami, which is translated from Serbian as a penguin. Well, these warriors will jam their entire assortment upon themselves, then they pace like penguins.

        Damn, it’s necessary, the word system p-and-n-d-o-s equated to a mat, so I had to dodge.
    4. Titsen
      Titsen 6 March 2018 07: 01
      0
      Quote: Bad
      "Shoes are needed for hard work, and there is also nothing better than a kirzach, especially in the absence of imported shoes." - bring idiocy to the masses further :)
      Of course EVA boots are worse than kirzachi, and rubber ones are also worse .. Author You continue to wear kirzachi :)
      The same EVA boot for heavy current work has one drawback - that they are afraid of oil products, but in this case there are rubber ones.
      For war - berets, for frost winter boots, for household works - EVA .. and do not combine incompatible

      You are very far from life, comrade!
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 7 March 2018 22: 37
        +3
        For frost felt boots good
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 5 March 2018 15: 22
    +4
    Regarding motorization and kirzachs: in today's civilian cars you can’t train in kirzachs, the pedal assembly is usually very narrow. One pedal will depress two pedals at once. If the gearbox is automatic, then it’s easier, but the mechanics will have trouble. In the truck, no matter where you go, you can exercise, but with a passenger car such a trick may not work.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 5 March 2018 18: 15
      +4
      I went before in kirzach on the six. If far, then the leg gets tired. And so without problems
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 6 March 2018 06: 44
        0
        Try on the top ten or Prior. You will be surprised. I could hardly ride on the Priore with shoes that were not very wide, the pedal assembly is very narrow there, the gas pedals and brakes are too close.
        Well and yes, it all depends on the size of the legs.
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 6 March 2018 10: 11
          0
          I now have a tag, but no kirzach.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 8 March 2018 17: 46
          +1
          I go to the Kalina, periodically I find myself believing that the right ankle is turned 90 degrees on the gas pedal, it’s inconvenient, but what should I do? Or so, or kirzachi.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 7 November 2018 16: 30
            +1
            On viburnum, the seats are unsuccessful. There, due to a short pillow and an uncomfortable posture, my legs began to bother for about 50 kilometers. And there’s a very light gas pedal, you almost have to keep your foot on the hang, and the pedal is pressed under the weight of the boot to the floor.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 November 2018 21: 49
              0
              The seats are unsuccessful on Renault, an hour and my back hurts. The gas pedal, yes, I agree, is very light.
        3. mac789
          mac789 9 March 2018 09: 31
          +1
          Went in boots on: at all VAZs, Hyundai, Toyota, Fords, Mitsubishi and even Citroen. Leg size 47. The Gaits sighed enviously and let go. wink
        4. alexmach
          alexmach 11 March 2018 01: 24
          0
          Well, something tells me that in wartime, the ride will not be on the "priors" but at least on the "Gazelles".
  3. shuravi
    shuravi 5 March 2018 15: 32
    +4
    One thing is not clear. The third article is about army shoes, but it all revolves around the ground forces. And then, only parts of it.
    Meanwhile, this problem is much wider.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 5 March 2018 17: 50
      0
      Yes Yes. Did the fighter allow the techies to crawl in his "swallow" in the "kirzach"? good
      1. dauria
        dauria 5 March 2018 21: 48
        +5
        Yes Yes. Did the fighter allow the techies to crawl in his "swallow"


        Now, for each plane, one and a half pilots in the state - so no one but a flight technician has a personal “swallow”. And he has shoes laughing But all the other "dudes" boots oh how useful. At least get in the fall from the canteen to the parking lot. Not to mention the heap of other “cultural” work - “digging”, “pushing”, “unloading”, “wearing”. Well, at least once to see the airfield with asphalt paths and a warm toilet. For some reason, the first BC always fell into the mud and puddle. recourse
        1. basmach
          basmach 6 March 2018 16: 55
          0
          I really don’t know. We had the 1-th BC and in the arches; in our 2-th AE, it hung in the arches themselves, not even in torn ones. And the tracks were, albeit a little
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 6 March 2018 17: 11
        +5
        Um. I remember, at a time when we had normal aviation, it was in the kirsachs on the planes that crawled. In winter, of course, in boots.
  4. Curious
    Curious 5 March 2018 15: 46
    +16
    "So, in a likely future war, what type of shoes will be most common:"
    The correct answer is white disposable slippers.
  5. AleBors
    AleBors 5 March 2018 15: 51
    +7
    As I wrote earlier, kirzach is preferable in the conditions of the database in urban or rural areas. And in the "trodden" boot, you can drive any car.
  6. Operator
    Operator 5 March 2018 16: 04
    +8
    Author - what are the kirzachi in the third world war7

    A few hours of exchange of blows - and at the disposal of the survivors will be stocks of shoes for a hundred years ahead.
    1. urman
      urman 5 March 2018 18: 12
      +6
      What should a soldier do in a nuclear explosion?
      Keep the machine in outstretched hands so that molten metal does not drip onto public boots.
  7. BAI
    BAI 5 March 2018 16: 29
    +3
    The famous road to Yakutsk, broken by vehicles. Approximately the same will look and the road of the future big war

    Military roads in Europe now look like this.
  8. antivirus
    antivirus 5 March 2018 16: 59
    +1
    Cases when troops get stuck in impassable mud were far from uncommon in the last big war, and certainly will not be uncommon in a future big war.

    EDIT ROAD CANVAS - GRADERS FORWARD! NEEDED
    the cheaper the better --pro shoes
    front and rear will merge - ON FRONT RANGE OF ANY BASIS WILL BE A FRONT and everyone in this radius must obey military command (or combined. two-part with civilian)
    1. wehr
      5 March 2018 17: 03
      +5
      You know, the road shown in the photo was originally a very good graded road. But when there are too many cars, and there are too few roads, it turns out like this, with or without graders.
      The military road theme is a separate topic that should be considered.
  9. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 5 March 2018 17: 51
    +6
    For some reason, the author imagines a modern global conflict in the spirit and patterns of World War II. Based on this, to put it mildly, dubious premise, conclusions and recommendations are made: instead of betting on technology development, switch to primitive products.
    Meanwhile, the conflict with a highly developed enemy - the level of intensity of hostilities and the rate of development of events will be completely different. Fighting with NATO simply did not have time to deploy this very production of kirzachs (even if it did not reach massive nuclear strikes).
    If we are talking about a chain of local wars with guerrilla warfare, terrorism and semi-regular militias - "legions in kirsach" - the surest way to completely bleed and ruin our country. At least the level of reproduction of the population in our country does not allow us to follow this path.
    Of course, instead of high-precision weapons, "martyr-mobiles" can be used, however ...
  10. tchoni
    tchoni 5 March 2018 19: 31
    +4
    Already commented, I repeat again: the 21st vee, kirzachi, a quilted jacket, and a three-piece hat ... How, I said everything.
    And yet, the author yells about the "Great War". If it is, then we will be gone. To destroy a country like the United States, 58 vigorous megaton-class warheads are needed. For Russia - 39! The available stocks of the USA and Russia are 1000 such heads per nose. Apart from the other members of the vigorous club. If it comes to war without vigorous explosions, which is unlikely, then the number of any probable adversary is that the Geyropeyts are with the Yusovtsy, that the Chinese - from 6 milen to 800 billion of the human reserve. Against our 1,5 miles with not the most powerful industry in the world .... Draw the conclusions of the gentlemen, what will happen there: a grand war or a tuyeva heap of minor conflicts at our borders.
    1. wehr
      5 March 2018 20: 29
      +4
      You just do not know how much power the warheads are armed with. laughing
    2. Poppy
      Poppy 6 March 2018 11: 21
      +1
      Where did such small numbers come from? I read that the current number of warheads will not allow the destruction of either the United States or Russia.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 7 March 2018 22: 43
        0
        There are enough 5 megaton warheads on the British Isles. request To France, it’s also something like that ... In terms of 58 in the USA, I somehow doubt it, because the territory of the Russian Federation is noticeably larger. So it seems like we should talk about causing significant damage to economic power. request
  11. earloop
    earloop 5 March 2018 19: 40
    +2
    In berets it’s good to go dancing. And in a dry forest it is better in kirzach. In combat, perhaps better in sneakers. If the design of berets takes into account the experience of recent wars, then these are good military shoes.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 10 December 2018 16: 17
      0
      In combat conditions, in sneakers it will not be better, the sole is not rigid enough, it will hurt to walk on stones.
  12. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 23: 13
    +5
    I had to go to field drills more than once in the summer and autumn, I’m sure from my own experience that there is nothing better than a kierzach in the European theater, especially if it is possible to adjust the width of the legs.
  13. Ilya Belin
    Ilya Belin 5 March 2018 23: 51
    +18
    Speaking of shoes, the author missed the moment of footcloths and socks. I will not talk about the economic side of the issue, here I think everything is clear to everyone, both in production and in duration of use. The question is different, which allows for a greater degree of dry legs. And in the framework of field conditions, this is one of the most important issues, especially when there is no possibility in a military setting to light a fire and dry. With the ports it’s clear, I just picked it up and rewound it. The part of the port that was on the foot went to dry the calves of the legs, and the dry part from the calves went to the foot. What about socks? It becomes especially fun in a situation when it begins to freeze in the morning.
    According to my ideas, in modern conditions within the framework of wartime, shoes are better than a canvas, and there cannot be. High boots for parades. And if war, then definitely kirsa. Kearza is all-season. I put them for a couple of hours in a tank with an autolot, here you have moisture resistance. And the fact that the ports are then blue is okay, but the legs are dry. Also in the winter. Well, the winter version of the tarpaulin wasn’t brought up, but here it’s freezing. It's okay, you can always add a couple of pieces of material under the ports. I shook it in dual ports, everything is alive, healthy, you are fighting further. Kearza definitely.
    1. CTABEP
      CTABEP 6 March 2018 12: 32
      +1
      Damn, I've been reading these stories about rewinding footcloths all the time and I think. What did I do wrong when my footcloth did not reach my calf (like 99% of soldiers with normal legs 43-46 in size) after winding? In the ankle region, fixation, by no means on caviar, an attempt to rewind wet is, of course, better than walking completely raw, but I’ll tell you also no cake. If you have 2 pairs of footcloths - then there will probably be not one socks, no? Some are worn, some are dried.
      The boots have their own advantages, no doubt, but obviously they are not the best-universal-super-shoes.
      1. Ilya Belin
        Ilya Belin 6 March 2018 14: 46
        +10
        I'm over 50 days old. The standard size of my generation is 41-43. He served in the motorized rifle battalion in the Far East in the KDVO. The "favorite" occupation of the battalion is running. In training, in Volochaysky town, we went for a kilometer for lunch. 3.15 ran out, you go for lunch. Do not run out, plane, fly to Paris in the form of plywood. In the army, it’s terrible, the battalion commander sat down for a penny, and in front let out a battalion, three km to the bridge, three back. And so almost every morning. Accordingly, the legs were monitored, and the ports learned to properly wind and choose the right size. If the ports are large, then the problem is with the boot. If the ports are small, then the khan can’t be really wound, fastening also quickly slip, as you say in the ankle area. And these are not ports, but pornography. With such ports on Zutsa (Zavitinsky training center, Vostochny cosmodrome has just been built there), just forks. Midges are stuffed into boots, and after a couple of days, all legs are in military uniforms. I saw the boys feet, just horror. Therefore, it is very important not only to be able to properly wind ports, but also to select them under your foot.
        Regarding two pairs of ports. Two pairs only in winter - warm and cold. Cold is hb, and winter is a bike. Accordingly, from the inside you wind up hb, and on top of the bike. If it gets colder earlier in the fall, before switching to a winter uniform, then you negotiate with a caper and take a second pair of summer ports.
        Regarding "you wear some, dry some." Firstly, socks are not ports, and fly in one fell swoop. Hole on the heel for 3-4 days of intense wear. In addition, it is not possible to wear them in the tarpaulin, since they are slipping off their feet, since they do not have a fixation, like at ports. Service socks are shit. All that’s good is going to be dismissed. To the parade, if you go to kirsa, too, no, no. There are no socks when marching. There are only ports. Something like this.
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 7 March 2018 22: 48
          +1
          I have a paw of size 45. Normal footcloths wound normally. Now, if the foreman of the company "saves", then - yes ... sad
        2. mac789
          mac789 9 March 2018 09: 39
          0
          For two years urgent footcloths of sufficient length have never come across.
        3. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET 22 November 2018 21: 30
          0
          So socks are worn with berets, nothing slips there and does not tear in 5 days. And footcloths - respectively with a tarpaulin. But this is tin. There is NONE A hunter in my environment - who would go to the forest in tarpaulin boots. Even former and current employees are either berets or rubber / EVA boots. Well, nobody voluntarily dresses the kirzachi ... Why is that;)?
        4. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET 22 November 2018 21: 30
          0
          So socks are worn with berets, nothing slips there and does not tear in 5 days. And footcloths - respectively with a tarpaulin. But this is tin. There is NONE A hunter in my environment - who would go to the forest in tarpaulin boots. Even former and current employees are either berets or rubber / EVA boots. Well, nobody voluntarily dresses the kirzachi ... Why is that;)?
        5. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 10 December 2018 15: 23
          0
          Almost all the lies. It is the footcloths that slip, the socks do not slip. And what difference does it make for me when socks are worn out if there are spare ones. I prefer to wash socks and not legs.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 7 November 2018 16: 35
      0
      Because of the kean, our partners are given disposable socks from our partners. Three pairs per day.
  14. tracer
    tracer 6 March 2018 03: 18
    +10
    I had a chance to wear two kinds of berets (not plmyu as they are called correctly). Some are soft on foam, leather top, black suede toe. In fact, sneakers, very solid and very light, but for 3 months of racing in the mountains, the soles were cut and ground on stones at a time. The second type of berets were like kirzachi, the sole was the same, stiff with a heel, these normally held, did not cut on stones and whether there were shovels or anything else .. but the best thing is a boot pulled on the bootleg. For him, any scraps of grass do not fly inside the boot, and you can run through a puddle. And on a halt to remove flippers to soar for minutes how much will they give? In addition, boots protect the lower leg from blows of branches and sticks and other things. When the mud is better than the boot there is nothing. They dry faster during the night. And those who are in technology, or who run on the asphalt, but at least in crocks. The boot can hit harder. Different service - different shoes. ... stupid argument which is better.
  15. Persian
    Persian 6 March 2018 06: 05
    +1
    I only read before the great war and the naval blockade of China, what kind of nonsense, the Americans will receive a nuclear response right away, but then you can talk about boots. The first two parts have already opened the topic, but here the indefatigable fantasy trampled.
  16. Titsen
    Titsen 6 March 2018 07: 00
    +1
    Quote: Bad
    For war - berets, for frost winter boots, for household works - EVA .. and do not combine incompatible


    You are very far from life, comrade!
  17. brn521
    brn521 6 March 2018 10: 14
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    But nevertheless, I personally think that in the future we are not waiting for a series of small and local skirmishes, but a large, world-wide war

    In this case, rubber boots. Because easier to decontaminate them. At the same time, they do not allow water to pass through and are not saturated with it. Radioactive or chemically saturated water is one of the most reliable damaging factors for shoes and clothing. After such an impregnation, no decontamination will help either the shoe material, footcloths, or foot skin.
  18. dDYHA
    dDYHA 6 March 2018 12: 10
    +2
    Yeah. Gouging and shoe production and warehouses of the "blue divisions" in the early days of the war. And the shod will be invincible and legendary as in the Bumbarash movie. So I see the system as in the film. The commander walks and looks to whom to give new shoes. And one such EdinoRos - cell decided not to pretend not to be a party). But seriously, those who stay and then climb out of the caves will fight barefoot and with stones and sticks. But in general, he spent two years in tarpaulin boots. After a month of grinding my feet to them, there were no problems and inconveniences at any time of the year in any climate. Yes, and footcloths if I go to the forest or go fishing and don’t wear socks now.
  19. Mihail28
    Mihail28 7 March 2018 02: 31
    +1
    The chains of small wars, one way or another, led to a large, world war. War is the result of sharp contradictions, and minor skirmishes by no means always can resolve these contradictions.

    Controversial statement.
    More correctly - The chains of small wars led to a large, world war, and otherwise did not lead to that big world war. It happened differently. A lot of small wars, and big world ones - for the count.
  20. shmelik45
    shmelik45 7 March 2018 12: 45
    +1
    Still, I decided to insert my 5 cents. 1. The transition of the SA during the war from a boot with windings to kirsu was of course a very positive moment in every sense. And then it seems that all admirers of the tarp, except for her, wore nothing more. He wore a tarpaulin at the time, after it I have been hauling berets for 20 years. So far I have not found a single reason to change them back to boots. Unfortunately, I did not meet waterproof kirzachs. If you dive into the water to the knee, then well-laced berets, if they get water, then just a little bit, and the boot will help to the top. It is necessary to remove, pour out, squeeze the footcloths. And running in wet footcloths is still a pleasure. Also, in deep snow, the boots will cling to the snow at least a little bit. When switching from winter to summer, boots stretched by a winter footcloth become at least one size larger and dangle on the foot, and in berets the laces tightened in the same way and the norms. This is only a minimum of nuances.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 8 March 2018 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: shmelik45
      He wore a tarpaulin at the time, after it already 20let I drag berets. So far I have not found a single reason to change them back to boots. Unfortunately, I did not meet waterproof kirzachs. If you dive into the water to the knee, then well-laced berets, if they pick up water, then just a little bit, and the boot will help to the top. It is necessary to remove, pour out, squeeze the footcloths. And running in wet footcloths is still a pleasure. Also, in deep snow, the boots will cling to the snow at least a little bit. When switching from winter to summer, boots stretched by a winter footcloth become at least one size larger and dangle on the foot, and in berets the laces tightened in the same way and the norms. This is only a minimum of nuances.

      I apologize for bothering you. And in what kind of troops do you serve that constantly climb water and snow request ?
    2. Severok
      Severok 9 March 2018 12: 05
      +1
      I still wear berets, very different. From those in warehouses to purchased ones. Conclusion: not an option for the service.
      1) dress longer than a boot.
      2) the foot if sweats - trouble, the shoes rot in two or three months to zero, there is a notch. This despite the fact that the boots for 8 hours to dry.
      3) for a week of socks you will not get enough if you constantly stomp in berets. I buy the simplest and all the same, life a week sock, subject to timely re-shoeing.
      4) about the tightness of the berets, if he does not let water pass from outside, then he draws water from a sweating leg. What's better?
      5) I remember on his tarpaulin he successfully changed the outsole and heels after six months of tamping asphalt on the parade ground. Can you do this with a berets?
      6) stitching the boot is not a problem, but is the ankle on the tibia?

      I have the honor.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 10 December 2018 16: 22
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        How is it that shoes rot with sweating feet, if I served them in the summer in Central Asia? Do not mislead comrade.
        1. Severok
          Severok 12 December 2018 11: 42
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          I serve in the north. Come over. Shoes are not worn only at night and on weekends when they are. There are no replacement shoes, for a pair is issued for three years. Space for drying is also not provided. The form is stored at the duty station.
    3. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 22 November 2018 21: 36
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      About that and speech. Ankle boots are reduced BOOTS, which are pulled along the leg and "hold" the ankle. And here is a whole religious campaign against them, despite the fact that EVERYONE in civilian life is wearing ONLY ankle boots.
      Yes, the boots have advantages. But berets have more in total. Winters (or shoe covers) are not needed for berets, by the way, although in general it can be used, and many tourists use it.
      Most importantly, berets have less risk of damaging the ankle joint. And they are lighter and they are much less likely to rub their legs to calluses. On this transfusion from empty to empty and nostalgia for kirsach I propose to complete
  21. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 March 2018 22: 13
    +1
    The famous road to Yakutsk, broken by vehicles. Approximately the same will look and the road of the future big war
    Don’t trick the public. There will be a nuclear winter. All the dirt will freeze after nuclear fires. recourse
    1. wehr
      8 March 2018 00: 01
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      Will not be. “Nuclear winter” is the biggest fraud (and in combination the most successful military propaganda operation) in the entire twentieth century.
  22. Serge Gorely
    Serge Gorely 10 March 2018 11: 31
    +2
    In the elderberry garden ... Who said that kirzachi is cheaper ??? Given the deployment of production from scratch, taking into account the lost specialists? You can talk about the benefits of a wooden spoon for 100 pages, but a wooden spoon and pickles have finally become exotic from the past. I wore kirzachi for four years, I don’t miss them a bit.
  23. dokusib
    dokusib 11 March 2018 04: 29
    +1
    After reading the articles and comments on them, I got the impression that kirzachs are protected by people who are really comfortable wearing them. But each has its own anatomical features of the structure of the legs and there are people who will not just be comfortable with this type of shoe without an individual fit. Trite on the leg does not fit. For example, I have thick calves and a high rise in the foot. Boot 44 size. Boots of this size taken from a store shelf simply don’t put on a foot. The option to take two sizes larger and put on a sock (to wind the footcloth) is thicker good for winter. In the summer, the choice is clearly in favor of shoes. The whole difference in my opinion is in the way of fixing on the leg. Either lacing or lacing. Make a boot with lacing on the lower leg and there will be no need to wind the footcloth. And the socks slide and rub because the shoes are not the size and the leg dangles in it.
    1. 97110
      97110 11 March 2018 14: 30
      +2
      Quote: dokusib
      But each has its own anatomical features of the structure of the legs and there are people who

      you need, for example, small shoes. Dropping, dropping such a fighter on the brains of fathers-commanders, but did not achieve a result. Wearing 38 kirzachi 42 on the leg is not convenient. On the next visit of Lieutenant General Ma ... he wore the scarlet-colored sneakers he said, and stood in the first line. At the end of the construction, he received new size 40 chrome boots ... The appearance of the fighter in the first rank of the SA regiment, built in peace, with brightly scarlet sneakers made an unforgettable impression.
  24. Navy7981
    Navy7981 11 March 2018 15: 19
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    I have nothing against the boots, but it would be possible to make them more fashionable, more brutal it is right the soldier should look pathetic. Here is another question. In the explosion of an anti-personnel mine, it tears off the leg strictly on the top in the boot, on the top of the berets in the boot and the foot in crosses or sneakers. In any case, there is no joy, but putting the prosthesis on the foot is easier than knee-deep.
  25. Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich 10 December 2018 16: 25
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    Quote: Michael HORNET
    .. On this transfusion from empty to empty and nostalgia for kirsach I propose to complete
    For the time of the great war, the stock of boots and footcloths still needs to be created, but simple tarpaulin boots should be modernized even in this case.