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"Black Swan" flew?

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American economist and dissident, former presidential adviser Reagan and author of “reygonomics” Paul Craig Roberts, after the start of the Ukrainian crisis, said that the strongest economic move from Russia could be stopping energy supplies to Europe, which would lead to the collapse of the European Union and NATO. Economists call such calls "black swans" ...




Moscow has so far avoided speaking on the topic of "swans", despite the sanctions pressing the United States and Europe, but it seems that patience is coming to an end. The head of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, spoke for the first time about the possibility of the end of Ukrainian gas transit to Europe, and not just gas supplies to Ukraine, the latter have already stopped. The transit stop is the gas “black swan” by Paul Craig Roberts ...

The scandalous decision of the Stockholm arbitration in the case between Gazprom and Naftogaz of Ukraine, which is obviously biased in favor of Ukraine, may have far greater consequences than it seems today.

“The Stockholm arbitration, guided by double standards, made an asymmetric decision on gas supply and transit contracts with NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy.” The arbitrators argued their decision a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy. We are categorically against the economic problems of Ukraine being resolved at our expense. Gazprom immediately begins the procedure for termination of contracts with the NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine for the supply and transit of gas, ”said Alexey Miller, head of Gazprom. It is no less sensational than the speech of Vladimir Putin at the Manezh on new Russian weapons.

Apparently, our Western colleagues, who corrupted the Stockholm arbitration, did not expect such a harsh reaction of Gazprom, like the solid Western media such as “Forbes” repeat Miller’s statement without comment. The Vice-President of the European Commission, Maroš Shefchovic, first called for the settlement of the differences arising on the basis of the decisions of the Stockholm arbitration, repeating the call of the US State Department, in fact, taking the side of the Arbitration and Naftogaz.

But after a telephone conversation with the Minister of Economy Alexander Novak Shefchovich, he expressed only satisfaction that “gas transit is not under threat,” and said nothing about the Stockholm arbitration, noting that the EU was afraid of the decision to stop gas supplies to Ukraine.

Most likely, Novak told Shefchovich that nothing threatens the Ukrainian transit until the gas transit contract is terminated and there is no unauthorized gas withdrawal by Naftogaz, but this is trivial. Nothing threatens yet, what about tomorrow?

In general, a dangerous precedent has been created. Gazprom proceeded from the fact that Western economic courts are truly independent and make decisions on the merits. Now it turns out that economic courts are prejudiced and make politically dictated decisions. How, then, can you work with western companies?

Tomorrow, some western company will create a new conflict situation, submit it to the Arbitration and it will rewrite the contract in favor of the western counterparty, and prescribe it to be executed? This judicial arbitrariness, the Stockholm arbitration, after WADA, acts as a branch of the US State Department.

It is unprecedented that the Arbitration not only issued a fine, but rewrote the existing contract at its discretion in favor of his favorite. And ordered the other party to perform it. Actually, this caused an acute reaction of Gazprom in the form of a decision to immediately terminate the contracts rewritten by arbitration. If this Stockholm precedent is not condemned by the Western expert community, the energy community, how can we deal with them further?

Therefore, the head of Gazprom went to unprecedented measures to immediately terminate contracts rewritten by arbitration, unilaterally, which was a surprise not only for Kiev, but also for Europe. Gas supplies to Ukraine stopped immediately "due to economic inexpediency." Under whose control Arbitration worked: the United States or the United States and Europe, of course, is important, but this does not change the essence of the matter. Moscow did not say a word about the settlement of disputes arising in a tripartite manner, about which Shefchovic immediately said, but after the call to Moscow, Shefchovich did not recall.

In general, an expected move by Gazprom was an appeal against the decision of the Arbitration, which was announced, but parallel to the main decision on the termination of contracts. Although the appeal of Gazprom has a judicial perspective, given the arbitrariness of the arbitration of the Court, it can be expected to repeat.

But the main thing is different. Most likely, Miller’s decisive statement was agreed with President Putin, the head of Gazprom is considered to be the long-standing “Putin man”. Gas supplies have always been a political issue, therefore, it is not only Gazprom that makes fundamental decisions, especially now that the gas issue has been transferred to the political plane by the Arbitration. Now decisions are made jointly with Gazprom by Moscow, and specifically by Vladimir Putin.

From this point of view, the Stockholm arbitration gave a reason to stop the Ukrainian gas transit, and Moscow immediately took advantage of it. Although the termination of the contract for the transit of gas with Naftogaz may have even greater costs for Moscow than the penalties imposed by the Arbitrage to Gazprom.

Because then Europe will have to conclude a new transit agreement with Gazprom, which may not be concluded. It is then that a “black swan” will arrive in Europe as an asymmetric response to sanctions against Russia. And without a formal declaration of sanctions: we were not the "black swan" released, but the Stockholm arbitration.

It is also obvious that the Stockholm strike against Gazprom is being taken in view of the beginning construction of Nord Stream - 2, it was expected that Moscow would swallow it in order not to disrupt the joint venture - 2. But Moscow said: if you are looking for an excuse to abandon the joint venture - 2, that is your right. But then you can stay without Ukrainian transit.

It is no longer a matter of penal sanctions to Gazprom: Russia's energy relations with Europe are at stake. The decision of the Stockholm arbitration destroys the reputation of Europe in the eyes of Gazprom: does it make sense to work with Europe if the Arbitration not only writes absurd fines, but rewrites the contract itself, which is much more important.

Of course, in the Stockholm arbitration, the hand of Washington is seen, perhaps he wants to disrupt the joint venture in this way - 2. It was the US State Department that was the first to react to the Stockholm scandal, urged Russia to carry it out. But now Europe will have to, or, having condemned the Stockholm arbitration, take the side of Russia, or it may lose the Ukrainian gas transit.

If Russia's confidence in Europe is not restored, the joint venture 2 does not make sense to build, and Moscow can release a “black swan” to Europe, stopping the Ukrainian transit. Understanding this, Gazprom immediately begins the judicial procedure for the termination of the gas transit contract.

Whatever the conditions for the termination of the transit contract, Gazprom, as a resource provider, will then win back everything. In general, to sue a monopoly supplier of resources is always a losing case: in court you can win, but in life it is impossible in principle, the supplier will find a way to play everything. The victory in the Stockholm arbitration Naftogaz was not punished by Gazprom: it punished itself, it has already achieved the cessation of gas supplies.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 March 2018 06: 22
    +15
    Gazprom proceeded from the fact that Western economic courts are truly independent and make decisions on the merits.

    Naivety, in our time, is not only a vice, but also a huge harm to Russia. Maybe it’s enough for Gazprom to dance on a rake? Maybe it's time to see the realities? request
    1. 210ox
      210ox 5 March 2018 06: 42
      +13
      The reality is that there is a policy and everything is tweaked for it. Including ours. First they said about the beginning of the termination of supply and transit contracts. Now it turns out that nothing is in danger of transit ... So here too .. Double standards ..
      Quote: aszzz888
      Gazprom proceeded from the fact that Western economic courts are truly independent and make decisions on the merits.

      Naivety, in our time, is not only a vice, but also a huge harm to Russia. Maybe it’s enough for Gazprom to dance on a rake? Maybe it's time to see the realities? request
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 March 2018 07: 30
        +10
        hi !
        But it is still unknown when, and most importantly, WHAT will decide the new composition of the court, although with a high degree of probability it can be assumed in whose favor it will again “wrap up”. And I think it would be reasonable for Gazprom to bring to a logical end what he had begun with regard to the unnecessary. But here again - as politics decides. request
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 5 March 2018 12: 35
          +9
          Great article! Everything is very clear, detailed and clearly stated on the essence of the problem!

          It is no longer a matter of penal sanctions to Gazprom: Russia's energy relations with Europe are at stake. The decision of the Stockholm arbitration destroys the reputation of Europe in the eyes of Gazprom: does it make sense to work with Europe if the Arbitration not only writes absurd fines, but rewrites the contract itself, which is much more important.


          And on the eve I read articles of other authors on this topic from other sources - and yet it was still unclear what the Russian benefit from the decision of Gazprom and PROMAH for foreigners from the decision of the EU arbitration court in detail was gas supplies to Ukraine and the EU through Ukraine.
          Now everything is clear.

          Thanks to the author!
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 5 March 2018 11: 24
        +11
        Quote: 210ox
        At first they said about the beginning of the termination of supply and transit contracts. Now it turns out that nothing is in danger of transit ... So here too .. Double standards ..

        There are no double standards. There is TIME necessary for the termination of current contracts, which may take several months. Therefore, it is necessary to read in the sense of "there will be no instant termination of transit."
        1. 210ox
          210ox 5 March 2018 14: 22
          +2
          Not a few months, but more ... Just notice how quickly the phrase “stopping transit” quickly disappeared in the lexicon of power
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: 210ox
          At first they said about the beginning of the termination of supply and transit contracts. Now it turns out that nothing is in danger of transit ... So here too .. Double standards ..

          There are no double standards. There is TIME necessary for the termination of current contracts, which may take several months. Therefore, it is necessary to read in the sense of "there will be no instant termination of transit."
          1. Thor
            Thor 5 March 2018 23: 02
            +1
            Well, finally, a normal analytical article! +!
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 5 March 2018 13: 06
        +2
        the realities are simple - starting from the freedom of film distribution and to machine-tool building and precision machine building, the market was handed over 20 years before entering the WTO.
        close now, with any sauce. like trump stallitprom and other industries he needs.
      4. CARLSON
        CARLSON 5 March 2018 19: 20
        +7
        Until the contract is terminated it must be fulfilled, and this was said and not any double standards.
        In such cases, official papers are of great importance, they will officially discuss everything, they will set a date for the final termination and then they will block it from her.
        You can’t just take and shut off the gas in the main pipe, this is not a tap to close the water in the sink.
      5. Awaz
        Awaz 5 March 2018 20: 10
        +5
        And what the hell should something threaten Europe? If only Ukrainians begin to take their gas. Gazprom ceases cooperation with Naftogaz and Ukraine, due to economic inefficiency, based on the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. Before the EU, all contracts are fully implemented and no one is going to review them, at least in Gazprom (for now)
        All these are political games, and from both sides. And perhaps the only positive thing is that Gazprom began to impose some kind of sanctions against Ukrainians and the EU ..
      6. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 6 March 2018 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        . First they said about the beginning of the termination of supply and transit contracts. Now it turns out that nothing is in danger of transit ... So here too .. Double standards ..

        As it turned out, "nothing threatens transit through Ukraine," but at the same time, a lawsuit has been filed to terminate this transit.
        The "bird language" characteristic of the West was also mastered in Russia. How else? To live with wolves, howl like a wolf. They won’t understand otherwise.
    2. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 5 March 2018 06: 48
      +6
      Head of Gazprom Alexey Miller first spoke about the possibility of an end to Ukrainian gas transit to Europe, and not just gas supplies to Ukraine, the latter have already been discontinued. Termination of transit is a gas "black swan" according to Paul Craig Roberts ...

      Also first, Miller claimed that Gazprom ready consider economically sound proposals of Ukraine for further gas pumping ...
      Gas supplies have always been a political issue, therefore, not only Gazprom makes fundamental decisions

      It is logical to assume that a “fundamental decision” will be made on the basis of the criteria of political expediency and (or) financial and economic soundness.
      I wonder which side will “drag”? Or will it be like in a fable again?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 March 2018 07: 26
        +7
        Separ DNR Today, 06:48 .... It is logical to assume that a “fundamental decision” will be made on the basis of the criteria of political expediency and (or) financial and economic soundness.

        Hello. I believe that the Darkest will decide (and perhaps, he will forgive him once again, although he does nothing in vain with an eye to the future), so it will be.
      2. Victor Kamenev
        5 March 2018 07: 33
        +8
        After the decision to terminate the contracts, Miller did not speak for the first time about the consideration of Naftogaz’s proposals. Shefchovich offered tripartite talks, but Moscow refused and he was very pleased that nothing threatened transit yet.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 5 March 2018 07: 41
          +3
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Also for the first time, Miller announced that Gazprom was ready to consider the economically sound proposals of Ukraine for further gas pumping ...

          Quote: Victor Kamenev
          After the decision to terminate the contracts, Miller said nothing for the first time about considering Naftogaz's proposals.

          I don’t take up the chronology (when there was a statement by Miller, before or after the arbitration), but a statement of readiness to consider the proposals of Ukraine sounded yes
          And in general, money, they are such a substance ... They love the bill.
          And besides, Miller, master of his word. Wanted, gave, wanted ...
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 5 March 2018 11: 44
          +14
          I read your works with great interest, dear Victor Kamenev hi I just want to add one thought to your calculations.

          Gazprom proceeded from the fact that Western economic courts are truly independent and make decisions on the merits. It now turns out that economic courts are biased and make politically dictated decisions.
          Not Gazprom came out, but our political elite. Gazprom is a powerful political and economic lever in the hands of the Kremlin. And it seems to me that the maneuver for its use in Russia would have been much greater, provided that for TWENTY years our sun-faced ruler could at least rebuild the Russian economy and get rid of the hydrocarbon dependence that dominates our budget. Alas, time is lost!
          Hydrocarbon prices were quite fine. At the moment, everything is much worse and the consequences for us will be disastrous (if everything goes according to the scenario you described), and the baaaalsh question: will our Gazprom decide on such feats?
          Is everything half-hearted with a comrade of GDP or Mr.? (but as you like).
          1. Vlad Petrov
            Vlad Petrov 5 March 2018 13: 04
            +4
            Gas consumption in the EU is about 500 billion cubic meters. up to 700 mil is expected per year. cube Gazprom supplies approximately 200 mil. cube Without transit through Ukraine. The EU will freeze. Nord Stream 2 and Turkish compensate for the lack of gas at a cheaper EU price.
            China and Southeast Asia expected gas consumption of up to 2 trillion cubic meters. in year. Therefore, all of Iran’s gas Turkmenistan Turkmenistan can be sent to China. For the EU and Ukraine, gas cuts mean collapse.
          2. ruslann004
            ruslann004 5 March 2018 14: 24
            +4
            Arberes - "For TWENTY years, our sun-faced ruler could have somehow built up the Russian economy"
            How can we build an economy if the Central Bank of Russia, by decree of the US Federal Reserve, constantly collapses the ruble ??? Then ALWAYS there is an outflow of capital to the west. The same garbage is happening in other countries. The stability of the ruble is the foundation of the economy.
            1. Cossack 471
              Cossack 471 5 March 2018 20: 51
              +2
              RUSLAN 004 But isn't the president appointing the head of government and approving the composition of the government? Maybe they somehow arose? Or do they like it?
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 5 March 2018 13: 11
          +1
          DECISION VALUE IS OIL-GAS IN CHINA AND INSIDE THE MARKET IS MACHINE-BUILT ..
          AVOIDING EXPORT OF RAW MATERIALS AND DIVERSIFICATION (WHAT IS IT?)
          no one has an exact answer how to live on
      3. 210ox
        210ox 5 March 2018 07: 41
        +2
        It will certainly prevail from the criteria of political expediency and preservation of the "wallet" of our leadership.
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Head of Gazprom Alexey Miller first spoke about the possibility of an end to Ukrainian gas transit to Europe, and not just gas supplies to Ukraine, the latter have already been discontinued. Termination of transit is a gas "black swan" according to Paul Craig Roberts ...

        Also first, Miller claimed that Gazprom ready consider economically sound proposals of Ukraine for further gas pumping ...
        Gas supplies have always been a political issue, therefore, not only Gazprom makes fundamental decisions

        It is logical to assume that a “fundamental decision” will be made on the basis of the criteria of political expediency and (or) financial and economic soundness.
        I wonder which side will “drag”? Or will it be like in a fable again?
      4. BecmepH
        BecmepH 5 March 2018 07: 59
        +2
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Head of Gazprom Alexey Miller first spoke about the possibility of an end to Ukrainian gas transit to Europe, and not just gas supplies to Ukraine, the latter have already been discontinued. Termination of transit is a gas "black swan" according to Paul Craig Roberts ...

        Also first, Miller claimed that Gazprom ready consider economically sound proposals of Ukraine for further gas pumping ...
        Gas supplies have always been a political issue, therefore, not only Gazprom makes fundamental decisions

        It is logical to assume that a “fundamental decision” will be made on the basis of the criteria of political expediency and (or) financial and economic soundness.
        I wonder which side will “drag”? Or will it be like in a fable again?

        Fable in a modern way:
        "Once a swan cancer pike ..."
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 5 March 2018 08: 07
          +7
          Quote: BecmepH
          Fable in a modern way:
          "Once a swan cancer pike ..."

          That's it, exactly ... So that such a wobble in front of Europe (and Ukraine !!! wassat ), Gazprom did not fuck itself, but at the same time the whole of Russia ...
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 5 March 2018 11: 59
            +5
            Quote: Separ DNR
            That's it, exactly ... So that such a wobble in front of Europe (and Ukraine !!!), Gazprom did not fuck itself, but at the same time the whole of Russia ...

            The mantras that few people believe in Gazprom’s public heritage, the privatization of revenues and the nationalization of costs is the main task of this AO And if you look at the outgoing and incoming volumes of supplies, for example. with Germany, you can be stunned, but Gazprom has a lot of insatiable offshore "daughters".
            PS. how to rest in a bump? wink drinks
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 5 March 2018 22: 12
          0
          Quote: BecmepH
          "Once a swan cancer pike ..."

          ... carriage pike carriage?
      5. Antares
        Antares 5 March 2018 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: Separ DNR
        Also for the first time, Miller announced that Gazprom was ready to consider the economically sound proposals of Ukraine for further gas pumping ...
        Gas supplies have always been a political issue, therefore, not only Gazprom makes fundamental decisions

        Strange, before that, the political gas arguments were weighty + economic gain. Now only economic benefits. In general, politics is now unimportant .. the main thing is money. Although politics is money. Short-term or long-term.
    3. Cube123
      Cube123 5 March 2018 08: 28
      +11
      Quote: aszzz888

      Naivety, in our time, is not only a vice, but also a huge harm to Russia. Maybe it’s enough for Gazprom to dance on a rake? Maybe it's time to see the realities? request

      I’m wondering: are you even able to figure out such simple paper as Gazprom’s balance sheet? Are you a classroom auditor? Why then do you consider it possible for you to discuss the actions of his leadership?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 March 2018 09: 31
        +6
        Kubik123 Today, 08:28 ↑ ... I wonder: are you able to figure out even such a simple paper as Gazprom's balance sheet? Are you a classroom auditor?

        I read accessible media, including on economics, analyze and draw conclusions.
        Why then do you consider it possible for yourself to debate actions of his leadership?

        And what body do you represent, the supervisor? Or Gazprom's top management? By the way "condemn"It is in the competence of the court. I am on the VO site and express my opinion. Enough? hi
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 5 March 2018 09: 44
          +6
          Quote: aszzz888
          I read accessible media, including on economics, analyze and draw conclusions

          And why did you get the idea that media journalists are qualified for economic analysis. If they had the necessary qualifications, they would have earned an economy. It is much more profitable. winked And the opinion of any journalist is always one-sided, especially if he is not constantly “cooked” in the problem.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 5 March 2018 09: 50
            +1
            Kubik123 Today, 09:44 And why did you get the idea that media journalists are qualified for economic analysis. If they had the necessary qualifications, they would have earned an economy. This is much more profitable winked. Yes, and the opinion of any journalist is always one-sided, especially if he is not constantly "cooked" in the problem.

            Very weak and not convincing option. Deuce!
            And the second part will be some kind of fiction?
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 5 March 2018 09: 52
              +4
              Quote: aszzz888
              Very weak and not convincing option. Deuce!
              And the second part will be some kind of fiction?

              The second part has even less meaning than the first. tongue
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 5 March 2018 09: 55
                +1
                Kubik123 Today, 09:52 In the second part there is even less sense than in the first. tongue

                Everything is clear with you. Adieu.
                1. takeshi
                  takeshi 8 March 2018 11: 37
                  +1
                  And with you it is all the more clear))))
                  And nothing, you live like that ....
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 5 March 2018 09: 14
      +2
      What is the connection between the Russian pipe and NATO? belay Did Mali say anything? NATO will fall apart after the cartoons shown by Putin. GDP, in fact, this alliance has almost nullified. Now we cannot do without negotiations with Russia on world security. And one of the first conditions from Russia will be the requirement to remove NATO from our borders. That is obvious and logical. Yes, and the West is considering what kind of shanesh they should unfasten Trump at 2% of GDP, if the American "umbrella" is full of holes? As for blocking the pipe to Europe, this is the enemy provocation. Russia rests on the supply of hydrocarbons to Europe, which since the days of the USSR has never once violated the terms of these supplies. Honesty and rigorous execution of the contract is most valued in business. This is where Russia wins the competition with any other supplier of raw materials. hi
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 5 March 2018 09: 56
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        And one of the first conditions from Russia will be the requirement to remove NATO from our borders.

        Yes, and this statement is scheduled for 2149 .. Europe said it will give an answer in 2999 ... while diapers are changing !!!
    5. Vend
      Vend 5 March 2018 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Gazprom proceeded from the fact that Western economic courts are truly independent and make decisions on the merits.

      Naivety, in our time, is not only a vice, but also a huge harm to Russia. Maybe it’s enough for Gazprom to dance on a rake? Maybe it's time to see the realities? request

      No, not naivety, just sober calculation. You can’t, it’s so simple to take and close the valve. We need a good reason, and they gave it to Gazprom. Gazprom is not obliged to think about the economy of another country at the expense of itself. Naturally, not without the participation of the Russian government.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 March 2018 10: 28
        +4
        Wend Today, 10:19 No, not naivety, just sober calculation

        I will expand my answer a little. Perhaps Gazprom’s naivety was awaiting a legal decision from a European court. A court with double and triple standards, politicized a priori, could not make another decision. Although according to a different logic, it is possible that Gazprom was WAITING FOR and WANTED such a court decision so that its hands in making radical decisions in terms of closing the valve would be untied. I'm all for it!" radical decisions.
    6. qwests
      qwests 6 March 2018 08: 17
      0
      like a handle from a rake, well what can I say .....
    7. wax
      wax 9 March 2018 13: 29
      0
      Naivety, in our time, is not only a vice, but also a huge harm to Russia.

      Politics and economics are built on facts, not assumptions. "Naivety" requires Vorification.
    8. hydrox
      hydrox 14 March 2018 20: 39
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      Maybe it's time to see the realities?

      You yourself understand that Gazprom is not primarily a big production company, but Big Russian Politics, therefore Miller cannot blow his nose if he is not allowed to do it or simply ordered from above.
      But Stockholm arbitration was not chosen by Miller, but by large uncles in the Russian government, and they didn’t do it themselves, but with the filing of the IMF and the Fed - the result now obtained was predictable and laid down a certain time ago by our Liberian enemies.
      But now life has forced the GDP itself to lose its pinkish liber-eyeglasses, and the dark cloud at sunset (this is our displeased people!) Also does not promise anything good.
      Even worse: by the year 35, Europe’s gas consumption will be halved - that’s why it’s so important and necessary to have the necessary number of technologies and equipment in 5-7 years, so that not a single cubic meter of gas is exported, but only in liquid form or a solid product with high added value - and this is a nomenclature of hundreds or two items.
  2. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 5 March 2018 06: 26
    +4
    In general, to sue a monopoly supplier of resources is always a losing business: you can win in court, but in life it is impossible, in principle, the supplier will find a way to win back everything.

    That's right. But we still need political will. Well, whether it will be or not, we'll see.
    1. GAF
      GAF 5 March 2018 07: 32
      +4
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      That's right. But we still need political will. Well, whether it will be or not, we'll see.

      Will declared in Putin's message, and will begin to be fulfilled. As a result of our decision, it turned out that the Arbitration Court planted Europe on a hedgehog. She will have to determine her position without the United States. In addition, an increase in the temperature of the Earth seems to be observed. Greenland discharges ice, lowering the temperature of water in the northern latitudes, acts as a gate and changes the regime of the Gulf Stream. The amount of heat entering Europe for free is decreasing. So they will have to think with their own heads, if they are not at all weaned from it under Uncle Sam’s umbrella. According to the law of physics, if in one place something decreases, then in another it arrives. Heat will arrive in our Arctic ...
      1. Antares
        Antares 5 March 2018 14: 08
        +2
        Quote: GAF
        Greenland discharges ice, lowering the temperature of water in the northern latitudes, acts as a gate and changes the regime of the Gulf Stream. The amount of heat entering Europe for free is reduced

        these are 2 mutually exclusive things!
        Quote: GAF
        According to the law of physics, if in one place something decreases, then in another it arrives. Heat will arrive in our Arctic ...

        Do you know where the "heat" in our Arctic * comes from? And in general, is all the formation of the climate of the Russian Federation? And how does global warming change the climate of the Russian Federation?

        I’ll show you that billions of dollars will be saved from heating of the RF only. But with the Gulf Stream this is only a theory (although there is partial evidence from the ice of Greenland)
        Climate is too complicated, even for Mainframes
        1. Ural resident
          Ural resident 5 March 2018 21: 03
          +1
          More fun, comrade. This is just irony!
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 5 March 2018 06: 53
    +7
    "But Moscow said: if you are looking for an excuse to abandon SP-2, it is your right. But then you can remain without Ukrainian transit."
    For the Russian authorities - this is unacceptable. They will not quarrel with “brothers on offshore.” Around the gas in the “RF” money, power, foreign and domestic policy ...
    The mention of Mr. Roberts does not add objectivity to the article. Turn off the gas to Europe, "RF" can only after introducing martial law.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      5 March 2018 07: 37
      +18
      In the First World, the Russian and German elites were generally kin, but this did not save. Tired of this nonsense about offshore companies, money and children abroad, calculated on the weak-minded. If you don't see the scale of the events, who are you?
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 5 March 2018 09: 59
        +5
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        Tired of this nonsense about offshore, money and children abroad, designed for the demented.

        It can be seen that you are a person who sees the whole picture .. Perhaps your forecast for further events for 3 months? (I would like to check with what happened later; I think everything will happen according to your scenario)
    2. Morozyaka
      Morozyaka 5 March 2018 07: 39
      +9
      And do the "offshore brothers" also pay money to the budget for extraction, transportation, export and profit tax? And do they pay more than 100000 workers?
      Well, what are you as teenagers in the puberty period - "prohibit everything, turn it off and punish everyone!" Power - and do nothing! "maybe it's time to grow up and understand that in the world there is no black and white and that all actions lead to consequences.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 5 March 2018 10: 03
        +2
        Quote: Morozyaka
        Well, what are you as teenagers in the puberty period - "prohibit everything, turn it off and punish everyone!"

        Print money! Declare war and a cartoon rocket to defeat everyone! And also factories - workers. land to the peasants !! And most importantly, we vote for Zhirinovsky !!!
        1. Valdemar One-type
          Valdemar One-type 7 March 2018 18: 22
          +3
          I will answer with the phrase Lavrov- an unwise person, b ... t
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 March 2018 07: 02
    +9
    Arbitrators argued their decision with a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy
    Indeed, the “tolerance” of Europe has no borders. What do we care about the Ukrainian economy? If your head hurts for the Ukrainian economy, then put it on your neck. Something European countries that are carrying out a reverse to Ukraine immediately bumped up its price 4 times, and we have to work at a loss.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      5 March 2018 07: 39
      +4
      The arbitrators were from the State Department, such things today ...
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 5 March 2018 09: 49
      +2
      since when are courts concerned about the material condition of the parties?
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 14 March 2018 20: 48
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      and we must work at a loss.

      Everything is simple :: why feed yourself, if you can put on the neck of Russia? laughing
      And the situation with Ukraine will continue to smolder, but surrender to pieces of Russia until Russia is exhausted during recovery — here it can be taken with bare hands ...
  5. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 5 March 2018 08: 20
    +6
    The saddest thing in this story is that Gazprom still owes Naftogaz $ 2,5 billion (this is taking into account Naftogaz’s debt of 2 lard, and by the decision of the court we should pay $ 4,673 billion) and we will pay this money, there is no doubt about that no, there is a court decision. Until the end of 2019, the contract itself between Gazprom and Naftogaz, while the procedure for terminating the contract in court, the time is right ..... and they may well conclude a new contract with Naftogaz after 2019 here, for example, I’m definitely not surprised the outcome of events. Now, after the start of termination of the contract unilaterally, Naftogaz can once again go to court and shake new money from Gazprom .... and it turns out that we (we want it or not) to finance the economy of Ukraine.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 5 March 2018 08: 54
      +2
      Well, Gazprom will lose today another 10 billion on termination. And tomorrow, the same Naftogaz will lower this bonus for the purchase of LNG, which has risen sharply in price on the world market, and will continue to ruin its country and the whole of Europe by the sums that exceed this penny in the gas market.
      In addition, given the decision of the Arbitration, suppliers will now set Ukraine such conditions that even lighters with gas will be shipped only at 100% prepayment.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 5 March 2018 10: 03
        +2
        It's right. The main thing is that you don’t step on the same rake on a new one, you can sign a new contract after 2019, and again there will be the same problems as always. And it turns out that now we will pay 2,5 billion dollars (and we will pay them), then through the court Ukraine will still achieve N - the amount of payments (let's say 7-8 billion dollars), plus payment of transit through the territory of Ukraine (the amounts there are not small either , in billion dollars) and after 2019, Gazprom and Naftogaz will conclude a new contract and there will be the same carousels. And as for the ruin of the Ukrainian economy through the purchase of gas on the world market, I would not have expected it; recently there was news that Ukraine bought gas 4 times more expensive than it would have bought from Gazprom, but here we must take into account the seasonal factor, even Great Britain was forced to buy gas from us , like Europe, where gas consumption has increased very much due to cold weather and prices have jumped, but this is a seasonal factor, and prices are much lower, of course, LNG Ukraine from the United States (for example) will not pull, but buying gas from European gas companies (Gazprom’s gas supplier) may well be more expensive, but the amounts there are not astronomical.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 5 March 2018 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          And it turns out that we will now pay $ 2,5 billion

          Will we pay?
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 6 March 2018 06: 12
            +1
            Quote: Setrac

            Will we pay?


            At least Gazprom must seem to recognize the decisions of the Stockholm court, it was not for nothing that they sued Naftogaz ... it would be too simple if one side simply refused to pay.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 6 March 2018 09: 04
              +3
              Quote: Aleksandr21
              it would be too simple if one side simply refused to pay.

              On the contrary, this is the most natural result, the Stockholm court showed its bias and there is no point in further recognizing its jurisdiction.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 5 March 2018 11: 03
      +4
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Now, after the contract is terminated unilaterally, Naftogaz can once again go to court and shake Gazprom with new money

      And the arbitration decision of Russia on non-recognition of its jurisdiction will collapse. And Europe - payment of the resource after the fact! Flow meters at our border and money transfer every 24 hours. And they will pay because you are equally cheaper than American LNG. Or a severe crisis, the collapse of German industry and other pleasures to the very tonsils.
      Only then, there will be no courts at all, and decisions will be made in Moscow without consultation. Like - tomorrow to transfer another 2 billion euros to Gazprom's accounts, we decided to do the prevention of hydraulic structures. Perhaps we will set off this money for gas deliveries next year. Or do not set off, and postpone for five years. In general, you can’t take gas, at least we’ll close the valves right now.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 6 March 2018 06: 33
        +2
        "Pulling the valves" had to start a long time ago. Moreover, it is so strong that it would be more profitable for Europe to transfer the processing industry to the territory of Russia. In the meantime, it is more profitable for them to pump out resources from us by political and economic blackmail at a ridiculous price.
        I would see how non-pipe gas would cost less than Russian on European hubs, it would be better than electric vehicles to shoot into space.
  6. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 5 March 2018 08: 42
    +4
    In fact, it’s time for the country's leadership to understand that in any economic relations with the West, for any reason, the interests of the Russian Federation have been infringed, infringed, and will be infringed. The West tolerates the existence of the Russian Federation only with the aim of making our state nominal, i.e. there are attributes (flag, anthem, constitution, president), but the country has a tacit external management, the same story that happens today with Ukraine is prepared for the Russian Federation. Incidentally, the reason for the Ukrainian tragedy is a step towards the destruction of Russian statehood. The EU’s goal is to keep the Russian economy dependent on energy supplies so that they receive gas on favorable terms. And Russia must work out countermeasures in order to remain a state. Only a country independent of external players, large and strong, can defend its interests.
  7. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 08: 44
    +9
    Now the dance will begin from the opposite, whether to be SP-2, the choice is in Europe.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 5 March 2018 10: 28
      +4
      Hi Vitaliy soldier
      They found a good time for dancing ... you can freeze the fillet slightly and spring for all sorts of butt, that is, negotiations, is not far off!
      I love a thunderstorm in early May .... until May, of course, but it looks like a thunderstorm has rolled up!
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 13: 08
        +8
        Hello Victor hi At the crossroads are those who freeze, them or Ukraine, the task is not for our mind. smile
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 5 March 2018 13: 32
          +3
          Yes, everything is clear with the Geyropei priorities, Shufrich calmed down when the GASES promised him ... and already somehow to the extreme, her well-being at once, I did not forget, but I don’t even say it!
          It seems that everything is postponed to the infinite then ... let the big guys talk, decide. We’ll look at it cool!
  8. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 5 March 2018 09: 14
    +4
    I've been waiting for everything, waiting for it to finally come to ours that it is impossible to play with the West according to the rules, that sanctions and the decision of the arbitration are not an accident or a coincidence ...
    Our entire policy regarding the so-called West is based on the principle of a step forward and two steps back.
    In 2007, Putin called the United States a wolf that does not listen to anyone and continues to eat ..
    And we are all trying to agree ..
    Meanwhile, Krylov, as early as the 19th century, wrote: “With wolves, there’s no other way to make the world, as if you took off their skin off them!”
    It's time to skin them and so that they would remember it forever!
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 5 March 2018 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      Our entire policy regarding the so-called West is based on the principle of a step forward and two steps back

      Actually, here everyone will tell you that our foreign policy of Putin is something brilliant. Moreover, even the Western media consider Putin the most influential person in the world. The vast majority of our population is for Putin and most importantly for his policy ... What are you talking about ??????
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  9. Tektor
    Tektor 5 March 2018 12: 56
    +1
    As stated in the contract of the State Enterprise with Naftogaz, the contract can only be broken through the litigation of the Stockholm Arbitration Court, and the minimum period is 6 months. But they say that they may not have time before the end of the year. And while this procedure lasts, the GP is obliged to transit gas to the EU in transit, but it is not obliged to supply it to Bukra, because such deliveries are made in accordance with an additional agreement concluded each year for a year in advance. GP has no such agreement, and it cannot supply gas to Bukru.
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  11. cats
    cats 5 March 2018 13: 06
    +6
    There will be no transit through Ukraine. This is a lever of pressure on us.
    We need to listen more carefully to GDP, we will not quarrel with Europe, no matter how much the stripes would like.
    Your dead swan black .. negative
  12. Altona
    Altona 5 March 2018 13: 43
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    Maybe it’s enough for Gazprom to dance on a rake?

    -------------------------------
    Ha! I have been asking this question for a long time. And then they suffer both the white flag and the downed fighters. You can immediately rely on all levers, not just economic ones. And the military, too, and the political. Do you want Russian gas? Yes please. Suffer losses and make your economies unprofitable and dependent on the American uncle.
  13. Altona
    Altona 5 March 2018 13: 46
    +1
    Quote: Kotovsky
    We need to listen more carefully to GDP, we will not quarrel with Europe, no matter how much the stripes would like.

    ----------------------------
    Turning off the gas does not mean quarreling. Do not apply the logic of a communal kitchen. Do they want to try life without gas? We can arrange it, just screw the valve for a week.
  14. Altona
    Altona 5 March 2018 13: 47
    +2
    Quote: Tektor
    As stated in the contract of the State Enterprise with Naftogaz, the contract can only be broken through the litigation of the Stockholm Arbitration Court, and the minimum period is 6 months.

    -----------------------------
    After such decisions, you can send arbitration from Stockholm in a certain direction, referring to force majeure.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 6 March 2018 06: 41
      0
      In fact, the Arbitration should not take into account the economic condition of Ukraine, but the fact that, according to its laws and statements, it was in full swing at war with the counterparty.
  15. Himdym
    Himdym 5 March 2018 14: 23
    +1
    I’ll insert my 5 cents. It is easy to lose the market; it is difficult to conquer. I think, on the one hand, Miller’s statement is rather an intention, a warning, there is up to a year to implement this promise, on the other hand, the Europeans are on the ball, now a lot depends on their actions - will they go to negotiations on the northern and southern (Turkish) stream or will buy LNG. There is another point, that in the absence of an increase in production, domestic consumption should increase due to energy or due to the construction of new capacities in the oil industry and the Chemical Industry - it does not matter, that is, it was necessary to remove this difference from somewhere, I suspect That measure was dictated by this.
  16. prior
    prior 5 March 2018 14: 30
    +1
    Russia compensates Europe’s missing needs for pipeline gas with supplies of liquefied gas at a price twice as high. Special thanks to the Stockholm arbitration.
  17. Antares
    Antares 5 March 2018 14: 37
    +3
    What is the gas war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation (to be more precise, Naftogaz and Gazprom, but the Ukrainians and Russians are turned off as fans with pay-per-view)? Third? The fourth? * Like the third if 2005-2006 and 2008/2009 and this one since 2014 ...
    The price of wars for Ukraine is usually a rise in prices to the highest in Europe (with the shortest shoulder)
    Even now.
    But at the same time, Gazprom’s gas policy was always always associated with the Kremlin’s policy (plus a lot of money from cutting up the national assets).
    Gazprom and Naftogaz and all the others, drawing up gas contracts in Swedish law, are themselves to blame for indicating the place where they will be sued. Since this is a company, the court judged only 2 companies, not 2 states.
    By the way, Gazprom defeated Naftogaz in disputes usually. Yes, and Gazprom has considerable legal support (fin. Opportunities too).
    What can I say. Kamenev didn’t have any events — everywhere the Russian Federation outplayed everyone, the United States fell apart, Ukraine froze, the EU crawled on its knees .. everywhere it sees the prophecies of future overthrows.
    Reality is not very good. Gazprom acted like Naftogaz in the same Swedish law. Now they will try to win back the amount and compensation (there are 500 thousand there every day, it seems) in a new composition in the same Swedish law.
    Another gas conflict is in full swing. It’s impossible to see someone else’s help here. The court has already cut so many Ukrainian Wishlist, Russian Wishlist ... Ideally, it should be zero (compensation is the sum of the last loss of Naftogaz) in order to separate the parties without losses and without the possibility of litigating the transit prices and its capabilities. Image would be minimal. Financial too .
    The parties are clearly overboard. The EU has never liked it.
  18. Prutkov
    Prutkov 5 March 2018 14: 47
    +3
    The fact that the West with its own hands destroys the system of international economic relations created by itself, based on the adoption of a unipolar world and trust in paper money, went unnoticed. The first stage of the collapse of the system took place in 2012 in Cyprus, where, having confiscated money on accounts, the basic principle of capitalism about the "inviolability of private property" was destroyed. This is the second stage - undermining confidence in international treaties and the international judicial system. What will happen next? In any case, the Swedes set up a new Poltava on their territory. Now there is no need to talk about the neutrality and impartiality of the Swedish judicial system. I would say at the place of the Russian leadership that there are doubts about the impartiality of the decisions of any court located in a country that illegally (without a decision of the UN Security Council) imposed sanctions.
  19. volodia.semuhin1958
    volodia.semuhin1958 5 March 2018 15: 58
    +1
    stopping receiving gas from Russia and counting the frozen carcasses after the last winter, they suddenly become half-mine in my opinion and you don’t need a weapon, you just need to keep them on a starvation diet for the winter and we will see gas for 2-3-4 thousand dollars per 1000 cubic meters
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      1. svp67
        svp67 6 March 2018 04: 05
        +1
        Quote: sergey kolysnik
        And where are you going to get such a huge amount of gas?

        And this is NOT YOUR business ...
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 6 March 2018 09: 09
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          And this is NOT YOUR business ...

          Leave to the descendants.
  20. Curious
    Curious 5 March 2018 19: 06
    +3
    It will be interesting to read this "analyst" in two or three months, when the "Gazprom Show" ceases.
    In general, commissioning of Nord Stream-2 will only benefit Ukraine.
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 March 2018 21: 10
      +3
      Quote: Curious
      It will be interesting to read this "analyst" in two or three months, when the "Gazprom Show" ceases.

      the same as in previous articles of this author. I'm still impressed by his "God save America and Trump him" laughing but who remembers this?
      Trumpomania ... and releases of offensives and Maidan ... oh well, well, this work. The trouble is that people want to read what they want to hear. They give it. The law of the market.
      Quote: Curious
      In general, commissioning of Nord Stream-2 will only benefit Ukraine.

      Perhaps. We have our own "Kamenevs" enough to paint any situation. And life is cooler than analytics from Kamenev, Yrysum / Podolyaki and others ...
  21. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 5 March 2018 20: 37
    +1
    “In general, to sue a monopoly supplier of resources is always a losing business: you can win in court, but in life it’s impossible, in principle, the supplier will find a way to win back everything.”
    But with this I strongly agree. Writing against the wind is always very problematic (sorry for the comparison).
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 5 March 2018 21: 02
      +3
      The situation with Ukraine is quite expected and miscalculated for a long time. Another thing . that no one dealt with this issue. The late Chernomyrdin said: How much gas Ukraine needs. we’ll give so much. "but at that time they didn’t pay and they stole and screamed about the poor man. We gave Ukraine $ 200 billion worth of discounts and preferences. And the Americans invested 5 billion and organized our worst enemy for many years. It's about efficiency some work .....
      1. Antares
        Antares 5 March 2018 21: 14
        +4
        Quote: Cossack 471
        but at that time they didn’t pay and stole and yelled about gilyaka

        consumers paid in full for gas consumed. So the Ukrainians themselves didn’t receive anything. True, it was a grandiose cut of money by Ukrainian and Russian partners on gas (presidents' business)
        Profit for partner nations losses. If only losses, we should also hate each other for business partners ... as if cubic meters were taken from each other ....
        The elites do not know how to work with each other ... The people there did not smell and did not smell. The people just let out the order, today they hate the Cursed West. Tomorrow Ukrainians, the day after tomorrow Japanese .. and rally around the throne ..
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        1. svp67
          svp67 6 March 2018 03: 49
          +1
          Quote: sergey kolysnik
          Bring back 2,6 billion - by decision of the Stockholm court ....

          And that says a person from the State owes us 3 billion plus interest .... Yeah. You cannot forbid greed.
    2. svp67
      svp67 6 March 2018 03: 51
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      But with this I strongly agree

      I support, even if Gazprom gives this money, it will return everything, at the expense of end consumers. But a more realistic scenario is the seizure of this money, in repayment of the state debt of Ukraine and the return of losses, at the expense of the end consumer.
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  23. Felixsoft
    Felixsoft 6 March 2018 21: 36
    +1
    In order to break the contracts for energy supplies to the West, under the terms of the contracts, it is necessary to have decisions of the Stockholm arbitration. (This is stated in every contract.)
    If R.F. suddenly, unilaterally, break the contracts, before the decision of Str. arbitration then country zap. Europe has the right to arrest all the property of R.F. in its territory.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 7 March 2018 03: 27
      +2
      Quote: Felixsoft
      In order to break the contracts for energy supplies to the West, under the terms of the contracts, it is necessary to have decisions of the Stockholm arbitration. (This is stated in every contract.)


      in the event of a change in the terms of the contract by a third party (Stockholm arbitration), the contract may be terminated by one of the parties to it.
      In fact, the Stockholm Arbitration has changed the terms of the contract and any change in the current contract requires additional signatures of the parties.
      No signatures = invalid contract.
      As for the fine of several billion, the motivation for the "difficult economic situation" is clearly not pulling.
      Regarding the seizure of property, as we see with the same debt of Ukraine, even with the example of sovereign debt (debt between states) it does not work. And here the claims are between two commercial companies and the only thing that you can arrest these Gazprom property abroad.
  24. lopvlad
    lopvlad 7 March 2018 03: 11
    +1
    Russia is a capitalist state and therefore prohibiting / allowing a company to supply its products to other countries should give something in return (pay and compensate for losses, reduce taxes, etc.).
    This, by the way, is one of the reasons, in a series of many, why Gazprom supplied gas to Bandera Ukraine.
    Stockholm arbitration solved the problem (and Ukrainians without gas and the Russian government do not need to reimburse anything to Gazprom for the cessation of supplies).

    Ukrainian Mavpa hacked a bitch on a yak saddle
  25. Wolka
    Wolka 7 March 2018 16: 58
    0
    otherwise, Europe will begin to receive Russian gas by direct tanker deliveries across the Baltic to German gas hubs, and there everything is clear on the list, but it will be a little expensive ...
  26. Serzh
    Serzh 7 March 2018 17: 45
    0
    Quote: Arberes
    that for TWENTY years, our sun-faced ruler could, at the very least, rebuild the Russian economy and get away from hydrocarbon dependence that dominates our budget. Alas, time is lost!

    Dear Arberes ...
    It was possible to rebuild somehow. But it’s the same as letting a herd of domestic animals pasture on a meadow around which hungry wild predators sit and wait, while the meadow has no fence, and the shepherd has a blind, deaf armless impotent on one leg ...
    To work hard so that our Western "partners" again take advantage of the fruits of labor? Or it wasn’t in the 90s that Russia began to do what they were told, hoping to stand in line with the economies of Europe and the whole world. How it ended - everyone knows.
    So do not here ... Everything is done correctly. First, the means to protect your good - then this good to gain. Given the fact that, for information, one of the first GDPs pushed after getting to the presidency is the return of the Central Bank to the legal field of Russia. He was sent together. This means that wolves are not only around the "pasture", but also in the friendly team of "shepherds", and they posed the greatest threat.
    And probably heard the Russian proverb - one in the field is not a warrior? Just this case. The situation in Moldova can serve as an example specifically for you .... Only Dodon did not quite understand and went ahead. Or so ours feel the situation and the possibilities of our partners in this field ...
  27. manne mann
    manne mann 7 March 2018 22: 42
    +3
    But Gazprom needs to keep his suit until the end of the game and not make any concessions!
  28. Alexander Vetrov
    Alexander Vetrov 8 March 2018 08: 01
    0
    As long as the West has the ability to put pressure on "our" rulers through the loot located in the West, all these attempts and Gazprom and other Russian structures are a mere fiction.
  29. AB
    AB 8 March 2018 10: 48
    0
    A beautifully written article, both custom-made, for the domestic consumer. Analysts zero, some thoughts about how I wanted and could.
  30. Vladimir Moroz
    Vladimir Moroz 8 March 2018 17: 05
    +1
    It is worth recalling that in Russia itself there is still a huge potential for the gas market. Half of the territory is not gasified yet.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 9 March 2018 11: 17
      +2
      On the "clave" it’s good to build, gasify, point out the shortcomings. Just ask, but how much does it cost to lay 1 km of pipe plus a tie-in to the gas pipeline, plus laying around the village, plus project documentation, and from the village to the pressure line that is acceptable for the pressure of these kilometers, 100. Could it be cheaper for a consumer to lift a balloon? Who will pay for the construction? Personally, I am for the gasification of the whole country, but I know for sure that it is extremely unprofitable to deposit money, to bury it.
      1. onix757
        onix757 9 March 2018 11: 20
        0
        Just wonder how much it costs to lay 1 km of pipe plus a tie-in to the gas pipeline, plus laying around the village, plus design documentation, and from the village to the pressure line of these kilometers 100

        This is not a cause, but a consequence. The reason is a bunch of parasites feeding on the woes of the population.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 9 March 2018 11: 28
        +4
        Quote: St. Propulsion
        Personally, I am for the gasification of the whole country ...

        Up to the "forester's hut" where is the thread in the taiga wilderness?
        It will never be "complete." Unrial. You have correctly written everything about the "easier balloon ride", in particular.
      3. zhekazs
        zhekazs 13 March 2018 05: 15
        +1
        According to the mind, you need to make electricity cheaper domestically + energy-efficient heating appliances, the whole village, with very few exceptions, is fueled with wood / coal in Russia, but where possible, the village needs to be gasified - with state support, this will attract the population to the village. We are not Europe, where 500 million are “bored” on the territory of our two or three regions. And the general gasification of Russia is a utopia. They did not do this in the USSR, now this will never happen. Who likes gas and so they sit on cylinders. Therefore, the modernization of electric networks and the increase in generation - should be our everything. And gasifying city apartments is a lot more.
        1. TimurEkgardt
          TimurEkgardt 13 March 2018 14: 29
          0
          Yeah, just connecting the house to the pipe for an exorbitant fee, connecting to the post is the same. In the Moscow region, coal and fuel oil villages are still being heated.
    2. Lepsik
      Lepsik 12 March 2018 08: 12
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Moroz
      It is worth recalling that in Russia itself there is still a huge potential for the gas market. Half of the territory is not gasified yet.


      What is gasification? I lived in Japan - they don’t understand what kind of pipes they are talking about. Every building, even the Tokyo Tower, has gas cylinders.
      1. TimurEkgardt
        TimurEkgardt 13 March 2018 14: 30
        0
        we have cylinders spioneers.
  31. VIa70286887
    VIa70286887 9 March 2018 09: 27
    0
    Naftogaz will lose in any situation. Dill will not receive gas or money, the freebie is over. And we suffered with dill and Strasbourg took and decided everything.
  32. Senior manager
    Senior manager 9 March 2018 11: 01
    +2
    Quote: 210ox

    2
    210Qu Mar 5, 2018 14:22 p.m. ↑
    Not a few months, but more ... Just notice how quickly the phrase “stopping transit” quickly disappeared in the lexicon of power

    You probably do not know, so as not to run into greater financial losses, the termination of gas transit, immediately, implies the whole procedure through the court. In the words of my company - “more paper, cleaner opa.” Geyropa is given the opportunity to calculate options - to build a "SP-2", or maybe switch to Amer liquid. Illustrative example with a weapon. For more than 10 years, weapons have been preparing for the presentation, the moment has come. This is not a quick thing - to confront the "partners."
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 9 March 2018 11: 22
      0
      For some reason, the comment has become unavailable, enlighten pzhlst.
      1. Vik ganz
        Vik ganz 15 March 2018 17: 16
        0
        Where did the koment become inaccessible? So I write to you on 15.3.2018/15/15 at XNUMX:XNUMX CET.
        No, I'm a captain, not a sergeant.
  33. Brekset
    Brekset 9 March 2018 18: 54
    0
    If the Germans, and this time will fall under the Pendes, then Russia spit in the face of Geyroppppppppppy as a whore curb. And Geyroppppppppppa for many years will lose the authority of an honest partner, the weight the world watches this circus TALERANT DEMOCRATIC
  34. alexis
    alexis 10 March 2018 19: 18
    +1
    generally stop supplying gas to Europe and Khokhlov let them buy in three ways from the usa and other suppliers
  35. Urantian
    Urantian 11 March 2018 16: 35
    +2
    It was necessary earlier to put in place the Ukrainians and geyropeytsev, and not wait when they put Gazprom cancer ...
  36. Andrew Soloviev
    Andrew Soloviev 11 March 2018 23: 31
    +1
    our respected government, as children, everyone thinks that in the West "democracy" is "equal rights" and other crap. and nothing of these of our rulers teaches either NATO at the borders or a doping scandal or a coup in Hohland. still remain in infancy
    1. Vik ganz
      Vik ganz 15 March 2018 17: 13
      0
      Life teaches, though not right away. But "better late than never!"
  37. TimurEkgardt
    TimurEkgardt 13 March 2018 14: 26
    0
    May I supply gas to Ukraine, give me a hose and a bag of peas. Ready to arrange round-the-clock serving.
  38. Vik ganz
    Vik ganz 15 March 2018 17: 11
    0
    Yes, and in the light of the circumstances, to ban the EU from reversing gas. That is, to resell it to Ukraine and to someone else .. Excess gas, tighten the valve and save for yourself - just like that. Otherwise, they will screw for you. American gas will cost Europe how expensive! And from here the price of production, etc. The United States in this case will be on horseback, and Germany in w ..pe. And the rest of the EU countries too. So the flag is in your hands guys. And then the right parties will make cutlets out of you (everyone understands everything perfectly and they won’t give their “bread” to another).
    1. Alexey Ivanov_2
      Alexey Ivanov_2 16 March 2018 23: 22
      +1
      Alas, it is unlikely to be so. For starters, the United States will sell its liquefied gas cheaper than our Russian. Until the West is completely hooked on its gas. They easily compensate for the missing income. printing new green papers
  39. Alexey Ivanov_2
    Alexey Ivanov_2 16 March 2018 23: 18
    +1
    Alas! Alas! Russia took a slap in the face from the IOC and WADA, fulfilled all their humiliating conditions (and these conditions were really aimed only at HUMILIATING Russia). Russia did not answer Turkey for the downed plane, the killing of our military, the killing of the ambassador. attack on Syria - our ally whom we promised to defend. Moldova did not give permission to fly the plane with deputy chairman Rogozin. In response, nothing! I will not remember about that. what they do in the USA with our diplomats and real estate. In response, Russia dealt a terrible blow to the United States - canceled parking near one of the many US buildings in Moscow. Now Russia is justifying itself to England for the poisoned traitor! In response - NOTHING! Likewise, with a little bit of panache, Gazprom will continue to supply gas to Ukraine and continue transit through Ukraine. Such now Russia is kind, forgiving everything, not taking revenge on anyone. straight mother Teresa and Gandhi in one bottle. Alas!(
  40. da Vinci
    da Vinci 17 March 2018 20: 32
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    As far as I understand, Russia receives gas from Europe = (exchange (contractual) price + transit to the hub) - transit through Ukraine and other countries. And why can’t you sell gas to Europe on the border with Ukraine (without the right to resell to a European hub), and then let Europe deal with the price of transit to Ukraine, Poland, etc. recourse