Why hate Stalin

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“My name will be slandered, many misdeeds will be attributed to me. World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union, so that Russia will never rise again. The edge of the struggle will be aimed at separating the outskirts from Russia. With particular force, nationalism will lift its head. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations ... ”
I. V. Stalin

"Stalin is the center, the heart of all that radiates from Moscow all over the world."
French writer A. Barbusse




65 years ago, 5 March, 1953, great national leader Joseph Stalin passed away. The man who was able to revive the Russian empire in the form of the Soviet Union, who won in World War II, created powerful armed forces, the nuclear shield of our Motherland, the best science and education in the world.

In the “democratic Russia” created in 1991-1993, he was declared a maniac and a bloody dictator. Why is Stalin so hated by various Westerners, liberals and parochial nationalists? The answer is simple. Stalin was a true national leader who devoted his whole life to solving global and national problems of the Russian civilization and the Russian people. He forced to serve the Motherland without sparing himself the government and the Communist Party. After death, he left no riches, no accounts in foreign banks, no palaces and villas, no stolen billions and gold. His treasure was the Soviet superpower.

The most important thing: Stalin showed the main road of the future great Russia (USSR) and all mankind - the society of the “golden age”, the society of social justice, service and creation. A society dominated by ethics of conscience, and the person is the creator, creator, serves the motherland and the people. Stalin showed an alternative way of development of all mankind. The masters of the western project and civilization are building an unjust world order — a global slave, slave-holding, caste civilization, where there are a bunch of “masters of life and money”, “elect” who are allowed everything and who have access to true knowledge, the most advanced achievements of science, technology, medicine. And the rest of the people are immersed in the darkness of poverty, do not have access to normal education and health care, constantly intoxicated with various drugs: tobacco, alcohol, heavier drugs, food substitutes, information-virtual illusions, etc. Their life span is consciously reduced, spirituality , intellect and physical condition are suppressed, descend to the level of two-legged weapons, cattle.

At the same time, Western "elites" are constantly developing and implementing plans to reduce the human "biomass". So that more resources remain "chosen", so that you can create a clean planet, without two-legged "viruses" that kill the Earth. This is junk food, and putting people on drugs, with the suppression of normal immunity and the absence of normal programs for the physical and spiritual development of people. This is the creation of a society of stress, where people spin like squirrels in a wheel, extracting resources for a “normal” life, but in reality they ruin their mental and physical health, get addicted to stimulants and intoxicants in order to temporarily forget. This is also a consumer society, which destroys both the planet, its biosphere, and the person himself, as part of a common living system. A person is turned into a consumer animal, completely dependent on the “masters of life”. This is also a system aimed at destroying the reproduction of mankind - propaganda of abortions, contraceptives, ideas of childlessness, homosexual "marriages", various perversions (perverts do not give birth to children), virtual sex, sex is next in line.Robots etc.

Under Stalin, the USSR began to build a just state and society, a society of service and creation, a society with the domination of the ethics of conscience. Hence, the most powerful spiritual national impulse, which allowed not only to create a superpower, to win in the most terrible stories mankind war, but also to eliminate all the consequences of the most brutal world slaughter, to create a socialist camp, which allowed to confront the Western world, relying on their colonies and semi-colonies. Popular support allowed building an independent national economy, supplying all the necessary Soviet people and even supporting the allies, creating the best armed forces in the world, eliminating the threat of a new open large-scale attack on the USSR-Russia for several generations (most of the people of Russia live in the world only because of this foundation ), to create the best in the world science, education, a system that reveals the creative, creative potential of children and young people, and much more.

The common people idolized him during the life of Joseph Vissarionovich. They sang songs about him, put monuments to him, appropriated his name to cities and large enterprises. Stalin and his government embraced a shattered and ruined Russia, which went through the catastrophe of a previous development project in 1917. The Bolsheviks (Russian communists), contrary to popular belief, had practically no relation to this catastrophe, they had simply taken power in the lost “old Russia”. They offered the people a new project - the Soviet civilization, which was in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people. They managed to create a Soviet superpower - they returned most of the lands they lost during the years of turmoil, defeated Japan and Germany, to whom Tsarist Russia lost. The Soviet Union included half of the planet, including China, in its sphere of influence. During the years of Stalin’s reign, the national economy was rebuilt, becoming more efficient than those of the leaders of the capitalist world, created advanced industries that had only the most advanced powers - aircraft, shipbuilding, mechanical engineering, machine-tool construction, chemical industry, military industrial complex, rocket production. Created nuclear weapon and created the foundation of the space industry. Eliminated unemployment, education and health care became free and accessible. Under socialism, children from poor peasant families who had no chance under capitalism became professors and marshals, pilot-aces and ministers.

Under the leadership of Stalin, World War II was won, when the masters of the West allowed the German Nazis, led by Hitler, to take power in Europe. The masters of the West were afraid of the Soviet project. Russia was becoming an alternative center for a new just world order. The sympathies of a significant part of humanity, the best people of the Earth, were on the side of the “solar” Soviet civilization. As a result, in essence, the “European Union” was created, led by Germany and all its power - military-technical, demographic and economic was thrown against Soviet civilization, which challenged the domination of the West over the planet. However, the Russian (Soviet) army defeated a strong and cruel enemy. The eastern and part of Central Europe, including East Germany, has come under the influence of Moscow. The Soviet Union defeated militaristic Japan, taking revenge for the shame of the Russian-Japanese war 1904-1905. and regaining its influence in the Far East. With our help, the Communists won in China and the Celestial Empire recognized the USSR as the “elder brother”.

Stalin did not flinch before the atomic threat from the United States, which conducted a bloody "test" of nuclear weapons in Japan. Moscow had such powerful armed forces that the United States and Britain and the allies did not dare, immediately after the end of World War II, to launch the “hot” Third World War (although there were plans). Soon Moscow created its atomic bomb and quickly created a first-class nuclear arsenal. The West began the “cold” Third World War - an informational, ideological, economic, secret war of the special services, a war on the territory of other countries (the Korean War, etc.).

Therefore, our enemies in the West and Russian Westernizers, who betrayed the USSR and the ideals of socialism, social justice, and hate Stalin. They created a mass of black myths to slander the great popular leader. However, the truth finds its way even in the atmosphere of total lies. Therefore, the image of Stalin is now again popular among the Russian people. During his reign, people had faith in social justice, in the future of the people and the country. A powerful economic, scientific, technical, educational, cultural and military foundation was created, which allowed Russia to live to the present day.

Even the outspoken enemy of the Union and the irreconcilable anti-communist, the famous British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, speaking in the House of Commons on December 21 1959, on the day of Stalin's 80 anniversary, recognized his outstanding role in the world: and the cruel times of the period in which his life passed. Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and inflexible will power, sharp, cruel, merciless in a conversation that even I, brought up here in the British parliament, could not oppose. Stalin primarily possessed a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of all times and peoples. Stalin made the greatest impression on us. He had a deep, devoid of any panic, logically meaningful wisdom. He was an unsurpassed master to find a way out of a most hopeless situation in difficult moments of his journey. In addition, at the most critical moments, as well as at the moments of the celebration, Stalin was equally restrained and never succumbed to illusions. ”

Why hate Stalin

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  1. +93
    5 March 2018 05: 55
    It is enough to simply read through the words of Stalin to understand how insightful this man was and one can only hope that he was really right and everything will happen as he foresaw
    "Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage.

    And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me. World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again.
    The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, opening the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy chiefs will appeartraitors within their nations.

    In general, in the future, development will go in more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be especially agitated. There will be sharp contradictions with the West. And still, no matter how events develop, but time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the affairs and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due.
    They will build their future on our past.
    "

    (I.V. Stalin. From a recording of a conversation with A. Kollontai)
    1. dSK
      +14
      5 March 2018 06: 16
      The pendulum of history moves from anarchy to dictatorship and passes the point of equilibrium. "Mess" order tired of everyone. Descendants will remember our time as "liberal paradise".
      1. +11
        5 March 2018 07: 34
        Just foolish people, except you see an alternative to the mess only in the dictatorship.
        But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.
        1. +54
          5 March 2018 08: 21
          I feel sorry for you and your surroundings.
          1. +51
            5 March 2018 08: 50
            At the grave of I.V. Stalin

            No, comrade Stalin, do not understand
            To mongrels that bite the pedestal -
            Do not erase their memory, do not take away,
            Those of your great bright years.


            I stand .. I stand at those graves
            To the left of the entrance to the Mausoleum ...
            Give me, leader, patience and strength,
            Survive all the vileness of our days.

            To withstand the mockery of the insolent,
            Temporarily sneaking into power,
            Over the affairs of grandfathers and fathers ...
            Let me stand and not fall

            Teach you how to win
            In him you are a god! An example of this is a country,
            What lifted you into space. Use it!
            And, thanks to you, she is alive.

            Strengthen me in faith Honor,
            Amid the rampant vile passions
            What is the name of self-interest, servility, flattery,
            Roads for many people.

            No, comrade Stalin, do not understand
            To the mongrels that bite the pedestal,
            What they won’t take you from us,
            You are forever! And their attempts are perishable ...

            Evgeny Gusachenko
            1. +44
              5 March 2018 09: 17
              hi Alyona!
              And we will get all the bastards,
              And immediately understand every reptile,
              That Stalin was very kind to them,
              What is it only he is to blame!
              1. +42
                5 March 2018 11: 26
                If you imagine that I.V. began to run for the elections of this year Stalin
                you can be sure that all other candidates are incl. President, would immediately have withdrawn from the election and stood at attention.
                The name of Stalin would unite everyone and the Zaputinians and the sternis, and the rest would simply be quiet under the sofas.
                1. +16
                  5 March 2018 13: 19
                  Quote: Anti-Corr.
                  If you imagine that I.V. began to run for the elections of this year Stalin
                  you can be sure that all other candidates are incl. President, would immediately have withdrawn from the election and stood at attention.

                  "... Stalin was a real national leader who devoted his whole life to solving global and national tasks of Russian civilization and the Russian people. He forced to serve the motherland without sparing himself the government and the communist party .. ".


                  Both the government and the party! Made to serve PEOPLE, MOTHERLAND ...
                  And who is the current government, the United Russia, the parliament serving?
                  1. +12
                    5 March 2018 13: 23
                    Quote: Alber
                    And who is the current government, the United Russia, the parliament serving?

                    the answer is obvious, stuff their pockets, well, to their patrons.
            2. The comment was deleted.
            3. +3
              5 March 2018 11: 45
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              That they won’t take you from us,
              You are forever! And their attempts are perishable ...

              Our Soviet people sings a lot of songs
              Above the fields, dense forests.
              Sounds in every song, lives in every song
              Popular Stalin's name.
              .
              This name we carry everywhere with us
              With him, all breadth is open, all have given.
              We will all follow you for the feat
              Our banner of victory our Stalin!
              ..
              Enemies cannot whiten us.
              Over Soviet soil, the light will not be replaced by darkness,
              The Sun-Stalin shines above her.
              ..
              Stalin is a Narod that goes to victories
              On tops of cloudless slopes.
              Stalin - our affairs
              Stalin eagle wings
              Stalin - the will and mind of millions.

              This name we carry everywhere with us
              With him are open all breadth, all tributes.
              We will all follow you for the feat
              Our banner of victory our Stalin !!!


              And someone misses THIS: "Stalin-the Sun"request No.
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 11: 57
                Quote: Olgovich
                And someone misses THIS: "Stalin-the Sun"

                Stalin's rating in Russia is approximately 45%, but of these 45%, only about 12% want to live in the time of Stalin laughing .
                Many now want Stalin for someone, but not for themselves!
                1. +29
                  5 March 2018 12: 54
                  But no. According to a Levada Center survey, 45% rate Stalin’s activity as “extremely positive,” 40 as “rather positive.”
                  That is, 85% are rated as positive.
                  I wonder who wants the past? Do you personally want without a mobile phone, plasma, computer and everything else?
                  Eka surprised, "they do not want in the days of Stalin."
                  You also write that these guys do not want during the time of the primitive communal system, in caves and skins and hunt a mammoth with a club.
              2. +7
                5 March 2018 13: 02
                Quote: Olgovich
                And someone misses THIS: "Stalin-the Sun"
                Sam I.V. Stalin legalized the traditional forms of religion that had been subjected to harsh repression by the Soviet government.
                This contributed to the departure from the personality cult of the communist leaders in the form that was practiced in the USSR until the mid-40s. Nevertheless, the “communists” who came after his death again raised a wave of militant atheism, and he was accused of just planting a cult of his own personality, which he was forced to endure due to the prevailing traditions inherent in both a clan (pre-class) society and socialist, actively erasing differences between classes; here in the same row are the Kimov cult in the DPRK, and the Mao cult in the PRC, etc. Beginning with Khrushchev, a tradition was born to praise leaders during their lifetime and spit upon them after death / resignation.
                1. +3
                  5 March 2018 15: 16
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  Sam I.V. Stalin legalized the traditional forms of religion that had been subjected to harsh repression by the Soviet government.

                  And he began this legalization with the explosion of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
                  1. +5
                    5 March 2018 19: 39
                    Well, it was not Stalin who blew up, but Koganovich ....
                    1. +2
                      5 March 2018 21: 04
                      Quote: Fedot57
                      Well, it was not Stalin who blew up, but Koganovich ....

                      Under the nose of the Kremlin, and Stalin is not at work as always.
                      Is Stalin a sucker or something that, without his knowledge, were not considered to have blown up the main churches of Moscow?
                      1. +2
                        6 March 2018 13: 48
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Quote: Fedot57
                        Well, it was not Stalin who blew up, but Koganovich ....
                        Under the nose of the Kremlin, and Stalin is not at work as always.

                        Please specify in which year the HHS was blown up?
                  2. +3
                    6 March 2018 15: 22
                    And restored patriarchy.
          2. +49
            5 March 2018 09: 15
            Svarozhich Today, 08:21 ↑ New
            I feel sorry for you and your surroundings.
            Yeah, that's interesting, but older people what are the last names? Not Svanidze with Gozman for an hour?
            Today is a really sad date, really LEADER passed away! Ordinary people felt and cried, because they saw off Stalin, did not see anyone off. The people felt that he was orphaned. Actually, the collapse of the USSR began precisely with the death of Stalin. It was the Trotskyist, coward and traitor Khrushchev N.S. turned from the Stalinist path of development and this was the beginning of the end of the great state. The Soviet Union under Stalin was truly a truly people's state, made by the people for itself. Under Stalin, the party elite was not torn from the people, did not hide behind the backs of the people, but on the contrary led the people from victory to victory, giving themselves and their children to serve the people. Such people are now gone and most likely will not be. Stalin was silver-free and the environment was appropriate. What kind of people were ... Eternal glory to them and eternal memory!
            1. +5
              5 March 2018 09: 58
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Stalin was silver-free and the environment was appropriate.

              Well yes. And a dozen government buildings were also built for him by “silverfish”. And the Trotskyists threw more than three and a half million rubles into the safe. https://cccp.temadnya.com/709999161239406983/mif-
              o-bessrebrenike-staline /
              1. +51
                5 March 2018 10: 03
                Teterin, at least on such a day, could you not shine your vile physiognomy?
                A pig will find dirt everywhere, even where it does not and cannot be.
                1. +5
                  5 March 2018 10: 19
                  Mr. Varyag, is it really a special day today? March 5th, a wonderful spring day. I see no reason to avoid talking to you. However, if my person evokes negative emotions in you, it is not at all necessary to inform me of this. You can experience the shock of this event in splendid isolation. I am a kind and sensitive person, I will not be offended.
              2. +38
                5 March 2018 11: 09
                And that he inherited these dachas to his children? Do you like talking nonsense? These were not "Stalin's dachas", but STATE dachas.
              3. +33
                5 March 2018 11: 50
                Mr. Lieutenant, it would not hurt to throw your brains
                1. +13
                  5 March 2018 16: 41
                  There’s a bone, where to throw something? These unclean teters have one song.
              4. +4
                8 March 2018 09: 07
                Lieutenant Teterin
                And a dozen government buildings were also built for him by “silverfish”.
                http://belrussia.ru/page-id-3733.html?utm_campaig
                n = transit & utm_source = mirtesen & utm_medium =
                news & from = mirtesen
                This is where this good comes from. It is not necessary to carry out an association with Belarus, this is "White Russia", the site of the new-born non-living. I wasn’t able to find where I was registered, but the “partners” were pleased))): http://belrussia.ru/list-c-partners.html: Concerning the exchange of links, you can contact via ICQ: two-two-two-448-428 Alpher admin number. Going further and what do we see? http://www.promagik.ru/page.php?al=konnect Topics of partners: Esoterics, Energy, Ritual magic, Astral plan, Mantica, Yoga, DEIR, NLP, Others. laughing Teterin, what are you specifically interested in from those topics?
            2. +5
              5 March 2018 10: 02
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Stalin was silver-free

              The modest man himself was already settled in the Kremlin.
              1. +52
                5 March 2018 10: 06
                RUSS Today, 10:02 ↑
                The modest man himself was already settled in the Kremlin.
                What can be answered to complete idiocy ?! belay request And where was he supposed to settle, in a hut? fool
                1. +5
                  5 March 2018 10: 51
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  And where was he supposed to settle, in a hut?

                  Of course in a hut, he was an ascetic, as you say, that he would have lived in a hut in an irremovable pair of boots and a tunic.
                  1. +40
                    5 March 2018 11: 12
                    Was the Kremlin the property of Stalin? Another illiterate cheater.
                    The youth ALL the Soviet government settled in the Kremlin, and when it settled there, Stalin was not the first person in this government.
                    1. +8
                      5 March 2018 13: 11
                      Was the Kremlin the property of Stalin? Another illiterate cheater.

                      Here you are certainly right.
                      But why, then, are “Communists," among whom many Stalinist adherents write about giving the GDP and Rosneft "his"
                      I hate double standards, and I don’t like the current “communists” (quotation marks are not accidental), who ... loved Stalin’s legacy, who REALLY was a great leader.
                      1. +2
                        6 March 2018 15: 23
                        Then I agree with you. I also do not like unproven statements.
                      2. 0
                        11 March 2018 09: 17
                        The analogy is not applicable !!!!!
                        Look at least at these palaces with the luxury of our slave from the galley !!!!!
                  2. +29
                    5 March 2018 11: 31
                    Quote: RUSS

                    Of course in a hut, he was an ascetic, as you say, that he would have lived in a hut in an irremovable pair of boots and a tunic.

                    Your unicellular sarcasm, in the comments on such an article, looks like a crushed bug. Vile and stinks. Excuse me, I could not restrain myself, I expressed the truth.
                    1. +4
                      5 March 2018 12: 01
                      Quote: Igor V
                      Your unicellular sarcasm, in the comments on such an article, looks like a crushed bug. Vile and stinks. Excuse me, I could not restrain myself, I expressed the truth.

                      Igor, do not apologize, everything is fine.
                      Forums before this exist to argue and defend their point of view. And about the truth, so it is for everyone ....
                    2. +4
                      5 March 2018 12: 55
                      The truth is not always pleasant, but in this case, very useful.
                      1. -1
                        5 March 2018 15: 16
                        That's for sure, BUT !!! where is the criterion that your truth is the TRUTH ?.
                  3. +10
                    5 March 2018 12: 40
                    So your idol, Nikolai No. 2, and my brother clearly lived in a hut, and the Russian oligarchy lives in caves in Barvikha, London and Cyprus in general.
                    1. +2
                      5 March 2018 15: 18
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      So your idol Nikolay №2

                      Unlike the Stalinists, I do not and will not have idols.
                2. +1
                  11 March 2018 22: 00
                  Well, Stalin was serving a link in Turukhansky, it’s not for you a sofa victim to talk about the role of Stalin in building an empire and increasing its power
                  About you, traitors - Pygmy Stalin shrewdly tale - read the title above
              2. +16
                5 March 2018 12: 28
                The modest man himself was already settled in the Kremlin.
                List the personal dachas of the current. Or do you think he lives in a SKIF trailer?
              3. +2
                5 March 2018 13: 28
                Yeah, he also had a library ... fellow
          3. +12
            5 March 2018 12: 37
            The article is simply wonderful.!
            It alone is missing - That the deepest aspirations of the overwhelming mass of the whole nation (95%) instinctively supported the values ​​of that life. And Stalin found ways to these values. He expressed the aspirations of the people.
            -------------------
            One pity .. He would have 25 years to rule. Maybe he would have time to fix the only defect of the USSR. Namely - Militant Yiddish atheism, and the cult of Marxism - Leninism.
            -----------------
            PS in vain minus canceled.
            1. +9
              5 March 2018 12: 56
              Quote: ammunition
              Maybe he would have managed to fix the only vice of the USSR. Namely - Militant Jewish atheism

              Here you are very mistaken, Stalin was one of these most militant atheists, his difference from the atheism of Lenin and Trotsky was that he, Stalin, when it was beneficial for him, compromised with the Church during the war ...... . brothers and sisters, the opening of temples, monasteries, etc.
              Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov and other comrades were not just militant atheists, they were fanatics, madmen, and this whole company of the possessed was not capable of any compromise.
            2. +4
              5 March 2018 13: 11
              Quote: ammunition
              Maybe he would have managed to fix the only vice of the USSR. Namely - Militant Jewish atheism, and the cult of Marxism - Leninism.

              And here I completely agree (about the only vice), that is, initially the Country of Soviets was doomed, since it is impossible to build a new kingdom on the ruins of the Orthodox kingdom, albeit under the Soviet name, with a completely wild atheistic ideology.
              1. +1
                6 March 2018 12: 02
                We are all doomed from birth, but few people stop it.
            3. +5
              5 March 2018 15: 20
              Militant Judean atheism, do not you think that this is nonsense. As a group of people who believe in God !!!!, even if their own. Being atheists?
              1. 0
                5 March 2018 15: 55
                Quote: Seeker
                Militant Yiddish atheism, do not you think that this is nonsense


                The fact of the matter is that it is not nonsense. -)) This is politics! And the word "jew" is not used in the sense of the Jews. "Jew" is an non-national word.
                1) Firstly, it is necessary that the "goys" be atheists.
                2) Secondly, there are enough unbelievers among Jews.
              2. +4
                5 March 2018 17: 30
                Quote: Seeker
                Militant Yiddish atheism, do not you think that this is nonsense

                What nonsense is this, this is the homespun truth of life, unfortunately.
                This is when the priest was led to be shot, and the entire Russian execution team (depraved) ran away, the Chinese and Magyars also scattered, and the young (and not young) commissars in leather jackets (burrs) coolly killed the priest.
                And you say nonsense.
            4. +1
              11 March 2018 09: 19
              Zhidovsky atheism !!!!
              Well and nonsense !!!!!!
        2. +45
          5 March 2018 09: 24
          Quote: Dr_Engie

          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.

          Sausages more? Is there any meat in this sausage ???
          When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on. Your tomorrow was guaranteed by the state and naturally by your desires and efforts ... You could not go to the doctors for examination by class and you couldn’t lose it ..
          Even the movie was different and the TV screen .. Or do you like House -2 better?
          1. +7
            5 March 2018 10: 04
            Quote: To be or not to be
            When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on

            According to veterans, the housing issue has only recently been resolved, and half of the country still lives in Soviet huts, now it’s true that they are being resettled
            1. +6
              5 March 2018 10: 54
              In childhood, I lived in the Urals in three barracks in turn. And I do not know what it is by hearsay. We lived normally. And the toilet on the street is common ... ME and ZhO Then they gave it in a stone house with a warm toilet and a bathroom with .. Titanium ..
              A federal resettlement program from old housing has been adopted and is being implemented - modern houses have been built .. The city cannot be recognized
              Of course, there are a lot of problems - roads. Medicine. local government. the availability of jobs ... But. life goes on
            2. +20
              5 March 2018 11: 01
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: To be or not to be
              When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on

              According to veterans, the housing issue has only recently been resolved,



              What is the question that appeared after the 1991 year?

              and half of the country lives in Soviet huts, now it’s true and they are resettled


              Firstly, getting out of such housing during the USSR was quite easy. And if anyone lived there, then in most cases there was a conscious choice because of certain prospects. Now from hopelessness.
              By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 11: 59
                Shuravi "By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?"
                This is an essay (how far it is from an essay) Mironov figures and taken from the ceiling
                “In our country, according to various estimates, from 3 to 5 million homeless people,” said the leader of the Just Russia party, Sergei Mironov. “These people were actually outside society for a variety of reasons, often beyond their control.”
                The performance of Rosstat for the 2010 year was less than the estimates given by Mironov, approximately 50 – 80 times
                1. +11
                  5 March 2018 12: 02
                  Quote: To be or not to be
                  Shuravi "By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?"
                  This is an essay (how far it is from an essay) Mironov figures and taken from the ceiling
                  “In our country, according to various estimates, from 3 to 5 million homeless people,” said the leader of the Just Russia party, Sergei Mironov. “These people were actually outside society for a variety of reasons, often beyond their control.”
                  The performance of Rosstat for the 2010 year was less than the estimates given by Mironov, approximately 50 – 80 times


                  Yes, Rosstat, he is such a Rosstat. Did you understand what you said?
              2. +3
                5 March 2018 12: 03
                Quote: shuravi
                By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?

                There were tramps before, only they were isolated from sight, heard anything about the "vagrancy gene"?
              3. +1
                5 March 2018 12: 24
                Quote: shuravi
                Firstly, getting out of such housing during the USSR was quite easy. And if anyone lived there, then in most cases there was a conscious choice because of certain prospects. Now from hopelessness.
                - easily in what ways ??? You may not know, but those whom NOW relocated from barracks is TE who lived in barracks all his life.All the barracks of the times of the USSR ...
                1. 0
                  11 March 2018 09: 45
                  Almost 30 years there is no USSR !!!!!
                  And all Soviet power is to blame !!!!!
            3. +7
              5 March 2018 12: 29
              half of the country lives in Soviet huts
              26 years as yours in power, but they were able to build houses.
              1. +13
                5 March 2018 12: 58
                The houses are half empty, because people do not have the money to buy these apartments.
                Nobody gives out apartments for free.
              2. 0
                6 March 2018 08: 16
                Quote: Gardamir
                half of the country lives in Soviet huts
                26 years as yours in power, but they were able to build houses.
                - unlike the Soviet regime, the current one did not promise communism by the year 2000, but slowly the Soviet barracks are resettling ...
            4. +1
              5 March 2018 13: 36
              All lovers of Stalin sincerely wish Stalin to the head. all non-lovers - the opportunity to quickly wash off.
              repetition is the mother of learning!

              Comrade Stalin - You are a great scientist,
              Linguists who know a lot,
              I'm a simple Sovetsky prisoner
              And my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.

              For what I’m sitting, honestly, I don’t know
              But the prosecutors are apparently right.
              And so I sit in the Turukhansk region,
              Where under the king you were in exile.

              And here I am sitting in the Turukhansk region,
              Where the guards are strict and rude
              I understand all this, of course,
              As an aggravation of the class struggle.

              Either rain, now snow, then midges above us,
              And we are in the taiga from morning to morning,
              You here fanned a flame from a spark,
              Thank you, I'm basking in the fire.

              I see you like you in a party cap
              And in a tunic you go to the parade,
              We chop wood, and Stalin's slivers,
              As before, they fly in all directions.

              Yesterday we buried two Marxists,
              We did not cover them with kumach.
              One of them was a right dodger,
              The second, as it turned out, had nothing to do with it.

              Live for a thousand years, Comrade Stalin,
              And no matter how difficult it would be for me
              I know there will be a lot of iron and steel
              Per capita in the country.
              1. +5
                6 March 2018 00: 02
                The author of the poems - now a professional Russophobe - sat on a purely criminal article.

                Stalin, such a had, for some reason believed that criminals should be imprisoned.
                And which is characteristic - the whole country considers the same.
                But you personally are against it. Probably because you yourself are a criminal?

                Are you stealing? Are you robbing? Or what is more interesting? How many walkers are on the back?
                1. 0
                  6 March 2018 10: 07
                  Quote: Conserp
                  Stalin, such a had, for some reason believed that criminals should be imprisoned.

                  Why didn’t you plant yourself?
                  1. +2
                    6 March 2018 15: 28
                    Interestingly, but d ... is that such an argument?
          2. +6
            5 March 2018 12: 19
            To be or not to be
            Yeah, and in the Union of Foreigners they loved more than their citizens. Any Negro at Birch seemed like a celestial, he could help us buy a thing, not a Soviet sledgehammer. And how they drove Russians from hotels with foreigners - like garbage. And how they planted for dollars, if it turned out to be more than 50. And as in stores with empty counters, it stank of rotten herring and bleach. And how people were killed with free medicine - there were no expensive and necessary medicines for "not their own". And how did you only pop yours into prestigious universities such as MGIMO and humanitarian faculties of Moscow State University? And as judged for any bag of potatoes dug on the collective farm field, this despite the fact that the collective farmers' salaries were purely nominal, because it was believed that they had their own subsidiary plots - that is how they plowed on two fields for practically free of charge. And how they lived on the reservations, not having the opportunity to move to another place of residence, they even took passports from the collective farmers so that they could not do this. And how ... and how ... you can continue this ad infinitum. But my great-grandfather was condemned for carrying a calf carcass to a field camp, which was rotten in the heat (southern Russia), and each family has its own Soviet story. Have you brought a tablet of electricity prices unchanged over several years? And how many ruble reforms have we experienced during the Soviet era? At least 5-6, and all the miserable accumulations of workers flew into the chimney. Compare - under the tsarist regime, the ruble has been a hard currency for more than two hundred years.
            1. +8
              5 March 2018 12: 32
              rotten in heat
              How many days did he go? Or brought a fresh calf home, and collective farmers rotten out of the house?
              1. +13
                5 March 2018 13: 03
                About the empty shelves. Well, firstly, they’re not so empty, and secondly, who forced you to buy in the store? There was everything on the market. More expensive, but that’s it.
                By the way, our ancestors knew how fresh meat can be kept a couple of days in the heat.
                Nettled around.
              2. 0
                26 June 2018 01: 56
                Quote: Gardamir
                rotten in heat
                How many days did he go? Or brought a fresh calf home, and collective farmers rotten out of the house?


                An hour, perhaps, maybe more - on a chaise to a distant field camp. In addition, it is not known how that carcass was stored before the great-grandfather was only a charioteer, not a storekeeper.
            2. +15
              5 March 2018 13: 00
              This is a vinaigrette! He dumped everything in a heap. The sweetest in the history of the USSR there were different times, and you presented the matter so that everything you described (often gossip) was all 70 years of the USSR.
              Typical cheating.
            3. +4
              6 March 2018 00: 05
              Vinaigrette of idiotic liberoid propaganda cliches in which cretinistic fantasies about "selected passports from collective farmers" are mixed in a heap with empty stalls of the 1990s.
              1. 0
                26 June 2018 02: 06
                Conserp (Conserp)
                What are you saying? All these facts took place, and I spoke not about the counters of the 90s, but about the Soviet counters. You go to the store - one herring and canned food and the smell of bleach, clogging the smell of rotten meat. I don’t argue - sometimes they threw something away and the crush was still the same, and not everyone got it. But in the Kuban, for example, (and this is the agricultural region) there was never meat in stores, and butter was only in Krasnodar, and the whole region went there to go to Moscow, like all the Moscow Region. You say this was not long before the perestroika? Then you are a liar just.
          3. +5
            5 March 2018 15: 23
            It was necessary to write as intelligibly as possible-4 (FOUR !!!!!!!) pennies per kilowatt.
        3. +45
          5 March 2018 09: 39
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          Just foolish people, except you see an alternative to the mess only in the dictatorship.
          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.

          The only thing I agree with you is that Dictatorship is not an alternative!
          But the rest ... I, not a poor man at all, and the apartment is excellent with a barrier and a fountain, and there is a country house, several cars, other nishtyaki, I fly - two times a year to rest, in short, my family is in abundance.
          But .... children go to kindergarten and school, where you need to pay for everything, and quite a bit, sport is all paid, medetsine is a separate issue altogether (Mom suffered a stroke, in the free form, that the policy lasted two days , go home, normal treatment plus rehabilitation, two and a half months - 5 thousand a day) well, I - paid and treated, and others ??? You will not believe with what envy and hatred, other (budget) old women looked at her procedures, not having the opportunity to get them. How did it come to this? Could you tell?
          Study, have you seen the program of modern education? Who is it prepared for? Imbeciles? I think successfully !!! Accordingly, additional training, tutors, etc. And the result is the stratification of children already at the level of kindergartens and schools. Two children from Me, Son and Daughter, from the moment of birth - a little bit, I save money for higher education, and I Patriot - to the marrow of bones, I do not want them to receive it in Russia. I know - what it is now like, Native sister, deputy rector, in a large university, the scale of not even a region, country.
          Food, for an hour I read what is written in the composition, like relatives, familiar from childhood products - before buying them. Read too - be surprised !!!
          The general mood in society is each for itself. This is normal? Homeland, too, each in "his" varying degrees of comfortable comfrey - will we defend ??? And one hundred grams of fighting - to whom is viskar - to whom is hawthorn? All this is sad.
          And I - well, not at all an oligarch who holds 95% of all blessings in his hands.
          Therefore - definitely, in the USSR it was better! Social elevators worked, people - not only did something for themselves, but also for the Country. Society as a whole - was UNITED !!! AND UNBEATABLE. Something like this. hi
          1. +20
            5 March 2018 11: 08
            And what does Stalin have to do with dictatorship, is it just interesting to me? What was the dictatorship? What kind of parasitism planted? Well, now you yourself are running for jobs. What was shot? And now you would not want to shoot any conditional and not conditional Chubais? What was not allowed abroad? Well, wait a bit and the next "sanctions" from the West will ban you from entering their countries. What is the dictatorship? Or is it just a beautiful word, barking at them like frozen eggs?
          2. +28
            5 March 2018 11: 17
            With regard to housing, all critics once “forgot” that during the Second World War 70% of the housing stock in the European part was destroyed.
            And it was necessary to restore not only housing, but also industry, schools, hospitals, and in the end to create a nuclear shield.
            Half of the funds from the USSR budget went to the atomic project.
            Can one of the critics say how many residential buildings were destroyed in the United States during World War II? Well, or at least chairs?
          3. +31
            5 March 2018 11: 34
            Thanks for the comment. I was born in 1952 in June, on the banks of the Dnieper in the family of an officer, and my memory keeps pictures of the 50s in Krustpils of the Latvian SSR, 60s in the GDR in Eberswald, 70s in Cherkassy, ​​Odessa, Sevastopol, Kiev, Kazakhstan, in Nefteyugansk, in Murmansk, the 80s in Kiev and Moscow ... I remember how the mood and the state of society gradually changed, As from the mood "If my native country lived ..." we gradually crawled to the mood "You are me, I am you" and now, after 60 years, I clearly see that then, in March 1953, they didn’t just kill Stalin, but turned the arrow on the path of the Soviet state and sent him to a standstill. The people then lived for a long time in the euphoria of the Great Victory and hopes for a brighter future, there were no street children, there were no strangers' children, there were no my huts from the edge ... but gradually they were raised. And if I compare these years with confidence I can say that the best time was then, in the 50s, the whole country lived as one big family, where mutual assistance was considered the natural and most correct behavior of each person. This was not the merit of Khrushchev and his team, it was the merit of Stalin, who was BELIEVED and could not even fit into the minds of people that next to Him, especially in the Central Committee of the party, there could be enemies capable of HIS murder. Naive? Yes, but that was the calculation. It was possible with Stalin, it was possible with Beria, it was possible with the party, it was possible with the whole country. We had to go this mournful way, survive the fall and disappointment, betrayal and humiliation in order to learn how to survive in this wolf world. The Russian people are a led people, they lead it, they lead through the collapse of illusions, purification by fire to Great Glory!
            It is said: Nothing unclean will enter the Kingdom of God.
            Always and in everything you need to start with yourself. Personally.
            1. +12
              5 March 2018 13: 24
              And I have preserved old photos, family ones from the fifties, and everywhere funny faces, with children, with hope for the future. At family holidays, demonstrations, in the garden, there is a photo where my mother cooks in her kitchen for years, something for home living creatures and father at the gate in a T-shirt and wide, fashionable trousers.
              And I’m in the arms of a neighbor, one year old against the wall of the house, and the wall is entwined with bindweed.
          4. +3
            5 March 2018 12: 08
            Emotionally on very true
          5. +5
            5 March 2018 12: 36
            Decent answer !!!
        4. +16
          5 March 2018 11: 04
          It’s strange, but I don’t know older people who believe that it’s better to live now. This is especially true for those who, for example, faced with old age with a new "beautiful" and "free" medicine. Apparently your environment is just those who normally managed to seize on in the 90s. Well, "happy" for them.
        5. +4
          5 March 2018 11: 06
          I’m older and I don’t think so. Like many of my peers. And you should not speak on our behalf.
        6. +16
          5 March 2018 11: 30
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.

          Each has its own environment. I’m not a Stalinist, and I’m not “drying up” at that time, but there are a lot of people around me who immediately remember Union and Stalin in today's life: “it was better under the Union,” “There is no Stalin for you ..” and. etc. And you know, I really understand them. After all the “happy” 90s and today's lawlessness, the authorities somehow want justice and so that the thief who has almost ruined the army is “put to the wall” and not given the next warm chair and the “Star of the Hero”, so that children poisoned in kindergartens , they planted, and not judged, so as not to break a new stadium, but built a new, etc. That is why those times are remembered with warmth.
        7. +1
          5 March 2018 11: 58
          Yeah. You will not envy you ... where did you dig up so many "everyone"?
        8. +9
          5 March 2018 13: 18
          It became better to live for drunks, thieves, corrupt officials, and parasites, big bureaucrats and businessmen who took their hands on that. which was created by the work of several generations of Soviet people who started from scratch, with a country destroyed by the civil war, when there were no oil dollars or gas fields, and as soon as the country stood on its feet, when the terrible war came, and again almost from scratch it was necessary to rebuild the country . Here's what you need to remember when comparing the welfare of people of the Soviet period and the present, who have been living for 75 years without a war (and again thanks to the titanic efforts to create a nuclear shield in a country destroyed by war), and if they live a little better, then in large cities, but in small towns, in villages where enterprises were ravaged, is hardly better.
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 15: 33
            Of all the categories listed by you, I consider SOLE OFFICERS to be state officials !!!
        9. +5
          5 March 2018 14: 15
          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union. ,,
          and you take an interest in what is better? you are by chance not a businessman (with whom the flippers were wrapped in the Union)? Those were called speculators. And for a simple people, the USSR is sweeter.
        10. +13
          5 March 2018 14: 51

          The economic problems of socialism ?! Then yes! Capitalism is slavery!
          1. +9
            5 March 2018 14: 54

            Companions confirm ...
        11. +2
          10 March 2018 16: 01
          This is how to look from a historical point of view for the liberal thieves ’elite and its servants
          yes, for ordinary people it’s hopelessness. These are those people in the 90s during the Sabbath, from the train
          stagnation - a couple of cars were bitten off. An alternative to the mess of the dictatorship was the period from 1917 to 1922, the Civil War and the Entente and from 1922 to 1945 when the question was to be or not to be
          Millennial Empire An alternative was to guard the power and it was betrayed for 30 years received
          the rank of a sex rag are all the achievements that everyone wipes their feet about
          And there could be a strong prosperous power that was respected and feared.
          Soviet pensioner
        12. 0
          28 July 2018 16: 29
          Very close-minded people of your environment. Better in their opinion, without queues in stores and for tickets for an airplane or train. Without delving into the division of Russians into classes, universal paid education, medicine ...
      2. +6
        5 March 2018 15: 14
        Liberal paradise, or paradise for liberals?
      3. +3
        5 March 2018 22: 22
        Quote from dsk
        Descendants will remember our time as "liberal paradise".

        Descendants will remember our time as "Feast in Time of Plague"
      4. 0
        April 11 2018 22: 51
        Before talking about anarchy, one should get to know what it is. I recommend reading the book P.A. Kropotkin "Anarchy." It was not for nothing that Lenin respected Prince Kropotkin, and we still have a metro named after him. The essence of his views is very simple: the life of all kinds of animals, from small birds to humans, is based on mutual cooperation and cooperation. These views were based on many years of research, which are very clear and accessible to them. Anarchy scientifically denies Anglo-Saxon individualism and competition. Note that Stalin also called the driving force of society criticism and self-criticism of the united collectives of people, where everyone helps each other. He hated betrayal, but was very attentive to ordinary people.
        In the first difficult post-war year, my mother wrote a letter to Comrade Stalin, where she complained that she had two World War II invalids and two teenagers in her arms, and she receives a dependent card. A week later, she was invited and informed that, according to instructions from above, she would receive a work card ..
        The second memorable episode of my life. In the summer of July 1943, I saw the first salute over Moscow in honor of the victory on the Kursk Bulge; I remember it not only because it was the first, but also because it was unusual, tracer bullets pierced the whole sky. And only many years later I heard the story of the Minister of Finance Arseniy Zverev that on July 5, 1943 at 5 o’clock in the morning (two hours after the start of the counterattack on the Kursk Bulge), Comrade Stalin called him. Apologizing for the late call, he asked what the Narkomfin was thinking about post-war monetary reform. This is how the strategy of the future was thought out.
        And finally. third episode. While working in the USSR State Planning Commission, I was faced with the fact that, unlike his successors, Stalin never considered documents without a protocol of disagreements of ministries and departments. Moreover, immediately after the war, Gossnab was created, headed by Kaganovich. Not for supply, an apparatus was created, numbering only 150 employees, but in order to analyze the projects of the State Planning Commission and give conclusions on them. Only in a bad dream could the dream of submission to the State Planning Commission of the Central Statistical Bureau, and the state bank, the entire financial system of the country be dreamed.
        Not everything was done right in those years, but in my humble opinion, there is no limit to perfection. and our current management system does not think about it.
    2. +17
      5 March 2018 06: 20
      Quote: svp67
      Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
      In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.

      Now take a close look at the presidential candidates in Russia, which of them would you trust your children and loved ones in difficult times.
      Which of them is able to cope with the work of the President of the Russian Federation? Is Sobchak really? belay crying
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 06: 32
        Quote: Balu
        Now take a close look at the presidential candidates in Russia, which of them would you trust your children and loved ones in difficult times. Which of them is able to cope with the work of the President of the Russian Federation? Is Sobchak really? belay crying
        And Zyuganov will give these relatives or children to someone.
      2. +25
        5 March 2018 07: 52
        Quote: Balu
        Is Sobchak really?

        I think this will say it all ...
      3. +3
        5 March 2018 10: 56
        Quote: Balu
        Now take a close look at the presidential candidates in Russia, which of them would you trust your children and loved ones in difficult times.

        To beautiful Isaev ... you look at the face for a face and you understand - now it will crack
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 11: 18
          And I remember him still thin. Swelling lad, from daily overwork to the benefit of the people. laughing
      4. +4
        5 March 2018 12: 39
        There is only one answer so far, let the one who is now the head of state remain !!!
    3. +42
      5 March 2018 06: 29
      Joseph Vissarionovich, a figure in our history, although controversial, but massive! What did he do such that he did not, for example, Peter I? After all, everything is the same:"O powerful sovereign of fate! Aren't you above the abyss itself, At the height of the bridle of iron, raised Russia on its hind legs?" - created a mighty red Empire, which then, like a rag-king ravaged the Peter Empire, and here, he sold Marked, the same weak-minded henpecked ... Parallels, however! But the fact that he is still terrifying all the liberals looking into the mouth of the Anglo-Saxons is worthy of respect! You look at these dull ur ... comrades, such as Navalny, Sobchak, Gozman, Misha 2.0% and others, you understand that then, given the time, he had no way to put such ones to the wall - therefore and they won the war against a united Europe and flew into space first! But he would have been lazy, then Russia, if it existed on the political map of the world, it would be exclusively within the Garden Ring, and even that is not a fact!
      1. dSK
        +8
        5 March 2018 06: 45
        Quote: Finches
        but
        When comparing statistics, for some reason they take the pre-war 1913. Two hundred years, as in a fairy tale, according to the "pike command, according to my desire" - time! fellow and Empire from ocean to ocean, gentlemen wizards.
        1. +10
          5 March 2018 06: 50
          1913, as a point for comparative analysis, the same was formed under Joseph Vissarionovich and with his light hand! As the peak of the economic development of the monarchical Empire, it was necessary to show by this example that "Life has become better, life has become happier".
      2. +17
        5 March 2018 07: 07
        Quote: Finches
        What did he do such that he did not, for example, Peter I?

        For example, he won the World War, under Peter there was a demographic failure, and under Stalin, despite the war, growth.
        1. dSK
          +24
          5 March 2018 07: 55
          Joseph’s mother, Ekaterina Georgievna, was a Puritan woman who often pounded her only surviving child, but was infinitely loyal to him. She was disappointed that her the son never became a priest. In 1886, Ekaterina Georgievna wanted to appoint Joseph to study at the Gori Orthodox Theological School, however, since he was completely did not know Russian, he failed to enter. In 1886-1888, at the request of his mother, they began to teach Joseph the Russian language children of the priest Christopher Charkviani. As a result, in 1888 he entered not the first preparatory class at the school, but immediately into the second preparatory, in September of the following year, enrolling in the first grade of the school, which he graduated in June 1894 (after six years of study). In September 1894, Joseph passed the entrance exams and was enrolled in the Orthodox Tiflis Theological Seminary. (wikipedia)
          Joseph Vissarionovich, Orthodox, baptized, did not manage to finish the seminary, was preparing to become the priest, with such talents he could become a patriarch. The Lord God doesn’t do anything “by chance”, he has prepared for him a different fate. "Joseph"according to the bible saved his race became Israeli people, from starvation. Joseph Vissarionovich saved Russia, having cleared for forty years of Zionists:
          Quote: svp67
          Zionism striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.
          1. +6
            5 March 2018 11: 22
            If I remember correctly, Stalin graduated from seminary, but refused to take final exams, because he was already carried away with revolutionary ideas at that time.
            That is why he did not receive a certificate of completion of the seminary.
        2. +3
          5 March 2018 07: 56
          Peter won the Northern War, at that time almost world! I’m not sure about demography ... after all, 30 million were lost and most of them are young men and women, but I won’t argue.
          1. +6
            5 March 2018 08: 50
            many times about the "loss" - where, in what loss to record the forest brothers, Vlasov-policemen, Bandera. Polish "brothers", battalions of the Crimean Tatars and the sowing of the Caucasian, Baltic SS ??? are they 27 million or repressed in 46-53gg? and the White Guard, 2 million in exile, how many died against the USSR?
            1. +4
              5 March 2018 09: 18
              This, I'm sorry, what are you doing?
              1. +2
                5 March 2018 09: 22
                and why are you -30 million? Maybe -50 million?
                1. +1
                  5 March 2018 09: 41
                  Well, let it be a figure according to official statistics - 26,6 million dead, still not a scientific debate, but I still took into account not only the dead, but also those who remained abroad, who died from wounds in the first years after the Second World War, etc. D., therefore, allowed here so freely to round! I think that it is not quite far from the true hi
                  1. +4
                    5 March 2018 10: 08
                    died of wounds in the early years - IS THIS BANDER FORGIVENESS OR WAR OF THE RKKA-SA?
                    how many citizens of the USSR (Poles do not consider East armies in the USSR to 46 g and write all those who died in WWII from these lands to their own losses) were against the USSR? what losses did the Red Army-CA and the WIDE OUR PARTIES AND OPPONENTS without reference to citizenship passport !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    this is important and no one knows
                    the Germans still have not figured out (do not want) the fate of 1 million missing people - you participated in these discussions

                    AS THE GREATEST EXPERT - I STAR - LOSSES - 8 MILLION RKKA-SA,
                    6 MILLION OUR CITIZENS; THE ENEMIES WERE ENEMIES, INCLUDING IN THE TERR-I USSR
                    no one can refute this nonsense with numbers. only fairy tales about "cruel Stalin" and "good Truman"
                    and demographic loss-loss may be 27-30 million people
                    1. +1
                      5 March 2018 10: 15
                      In this case, we were talking with a zyzx colleague about demographics, and not about the status of participants.
                      1. +1
                        5 March 2018 10: 19
                        war on one’s territory or on another’s - then the main thing in this dispute
                        and the role of the IVS-Molotov-Zhukov is not tied
                      2. +4
                        5 March 2018 16: 02
                        not about the status of participants.

                        Yes, they are just trying to convey to you about the incorrect calculation of losses during the war on their territory.
                        Here is an example: the beginning of the war, in the Baltic Military District, and now on the North-Western Front there are three corps - the 29th Lithuanian Rifle Territorial Corps (2 divisions) in the 11th Army, the 24th Latvian Rifle Corps (2 divisions) and 22 2st Infantry Corps (Estonian) (27 divisions) consisting of XNUMX armies.
                        And where to attribute the losses from these buildings? Died for us? Fled to the Germans and died for them? Fought for freedom in the Waffen SS in the national legions? Fought against the USSR in the form of "forest ....."
                  2. 0
                    6 March 2018 15: 47
                    26,6 million - this is just taking into account those who left in different ways abroad (5-5,5 million), and not just the dead.
            2. +3
              5 March 2018 12: 46
              Someone human, and someone nobility which can not be considered damage !!!
          2. +9
            5 March 2018 10: 28
            Quote: Finches
            all the same, 30 million were lost, and of these, most of the young men and women

            Of the 26 million, only 8 and a half million were soldiers, including 2 million prisoners.
            1. +3
              5 March 2018 10: 34
              Duck is arguing the same ??
              1. +8
                5 March 2018 11: 56
                Many do not know.
                Many people believe that 26 million is just the military losses of the army.
                "Filled with corpses", according to Boryusik Sokolov & Co.

                Therefore, always, always need to do this clarification.
                1. +3
                  11 March 2018 23: 20
                  In the Soviet Union, it was officially said - Losses in the Second World War amounted to
                  20 million of them military losses 9 million, military losses
                  German fascist 9 million excluding losses of its allies
                  bring everything to the point of absurdity Many, these are those liberal propagandists who are drugged, brought to a state of intellectual dullness
                  order
                  1. +1
                    11 March 2018 23: 42
                    This was said a very long time ago when it was physically impossible to evaluate them.

                    Even now, it is completely impossible to accurately determine population loss. For example, every 90-year-old grandmother, whom the Germans shot or burned alive, and who would not live to be 45 years old, cannot be taken into account. But the Germans themselves did not keep statistics on the population being destroyed.

                    Demographic losses amount to approximately 26 million people.

                    USSR military losses - 8.6 million killed (including 2 million prisoners killed in concentration camps). The figure is pretty accurate after digitizing the archives.

                    Our German prisoners were not destroyed, and therefore millions of German prisoners fall out of such statistics.
                    1. 0
                      14 March 2018 00: 11
                      Liberal propagandists say military losses amounted to
                      the numbers diverge 20-30 million, that is, all the corpses have failed But this
                      bullshit and the young generation is being led into it, it’s washing
                      brains I want to note, ordinary ordinary participants in the Second World War said so in
                      50 tenths, 60 tenths The first year and a half was hard and
                      then they drove the Germans, the wrong German went Knocked out those who conquered Europe
        3. +6
          5 March 2018 09: 37
          In 2018, there are still people who believe in the myth of a reduction in the population of Russia during the reign of Peter I, launched “into the people” by a freemason, an honorary doctor of the University of Cambridge PN Milyukov, implicated in treason (February coup) .. .
          Back in 1977, the book of the historian Yaroslav Vodarsky, “The Population of Russia at the End of the 1678th - beginning of the 1719th Century”, was published, where he, on the basis of archival data, showed that the population of Russia during the period from 39 to XNUMX not only did not decrease, but grew by XNUMX%.
      3. +8
        5 March 2018 08: 36
        I don’t agree about Peter. He, in my opinion, is just closer to Gorby. For some reason, everything tried to make us look like the West, bowed to Western liberal ideas. He did a lot of good, but Stalin in this regard (the benefits brought to the country) is much more unequivocal.
        1. +11
          5 March 2018 08: 39
          In my opinion, it is much more correct to compare Stalin with Ivan the Terrible.
          1. +7
            5 March 2018 09: 18
            Ivan the Terrible completed the process of forming a centralized state begun by Ivan III, but then he could not leave behind a sensible heir and the country plunged into trouble! By the way, the same, in some way, our political tradition - after a strong ruler, Nikolai 2, Khrushchev, Gorbachev come ..., but it was Peter who created the Russian Empire, as a subject, we will speak the modern language of international law! And Stalin, reorganized the world's first socialist Empire! Therefore, such a comparison would be more appropriate, and why this construction was in place for the people in both cases, we will not forget the same thing - not from the point of view of the state, but from the point of view of the tragedy of simple human fatehi
            1. +19
              5 March 2018 09: 35
              Eugene, hi great things require great sacrifices. And Peter and Stalin ruled the empire at times when the question was to be or not to be. Sweden is the strongest in Europe at the time of the clash with Russia, Nazi Germany is not that strong, under its fifth ALL Europe and all this power is thrown to Russia.
              Neither Peter nor Stalin would have succeeded if they had been dead. And in both cases, the modernization of not only the entire production was required, but also the modernization of the very way of life. So if it weren’t for the sacrifices that our people suffered then, it’s not at all clear, but would there be a state now under the name of Russia and the Russian people as such ?!
              1. +6
                5 March 2018 09: 44
                Alexei, it’s hard not to agree with your point of view! hi How can one not recall Remarque’s phrase about the fact that the death of one person is a tragedy, the deaths of millions are statistics sometimes attributed to Joseph Vissarionovich by all sorts of librarians!
            2. +4
              5 March 2018 12: 21
              Quote: Finches
              And Stalin, reorganized the world's first socialist Empire!

              However, the 58th article "smacks of", paragraph 10. You are a lucky person, you live under Putin, and not under Joseph Vissarionovich. Now such "reservations" have become the norm, but under the "red emperor" (damn, also 58-10), people picked up phrases more accurately.
              Do not hold evil, it's just me, thinking out loud ....
              1. +7
                5 March 2018 12: 41
                Under Joseph Vissarionovich - even moderators would sit on this site ... laughing laughing
                1. +2
                  5 March 2018 13: 03
                  Quote: Finches
                  Under Joseph Vissarionovich - even moderators would sit on this site ... laughing laughing

                  Under Stalin, there was no Internet, since the Internet is the brainchild of the enemies of the bourgeois Americans. wassat
                2. +4
                  5 March 2018 14: 39
                  Quote: Finches
                  Under Joseph Vissarionovich - even moderators would sit on this site ... laughing laughing


                  Yes, yes! Therefore, it is so sweet to write about "Paradise gone," being safe.
                  1. +3
                    5 March 2018 15: 36
                    Relative security .... hi
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            1. +29
              5 March 2018 09: 52
              lwimu1976 Today, 09:38 ↑
              Finding in love and death
              an inexhaustible topic
              Would tear off your hands to your governor and you for posting such an abomination, but it’s a pity they won’t reach you through the monitor. An abomination, mocking at a dead lion, every jackal can, but from this the jackal does not cease to be a jackal!
              1. +10
                5 March 2018 13: 27
                These are the gubermans, Svanidzis, Gozmans and pour mud on Stalin.
            2. +7
              5 March 2018 17: 00
              Only one question is the MODERATOR, WHERE ARE YOU ???
              Why is this NASTY OFFENSIVE RHYTHMO WEAVING HERE ???
              1. +1
                11 March 2018 22: 45
                Moderators, censors, write similar about liberals, democrats in such terms
                and the powers that be, wrote it doesn’t pass Not Moderators but censors - dogs, like that
                angel fighter
          3. +2
            5 March 2018 15: 40
            ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
        2. +4
          5 March 2018 09: 46
          [quote = seal78] Here about Peter does not agree. He, in my opinion, is just closer to Gorby.
          And I do not agree with you. Peter 1 was the first of the rulers of Russia to begin the industrialization and development of sciences in Russia, including and this is his historical merit to the descendants. hi
          1. +2
            5 March 2018 12: 50
            historical merit
            yeah switched to the European calendar, cut the alphabet. And he raised the economy by shaving beards. If we talk about the great ones, then Prince Potemkin did a hundred times more for Russia than Peter. Both our Crimea and Novorossia are all the merits of Potemkin.
            By the way, we don’t know the story. Why did Karl come across to Ukraine when Petersburg is closer, by the way why did Napoleon go to Moscow when Petersburg was closer and the king was there?
            1. +7
              5 March 2018 13: 29
              Gardamir, there are answers to your questions and they are being disassembled at military academies, they have been disassembled, but for now I will not say. Karl was experiencing economic difficulties. Sweden gave everything to the war and simply survived, and he needed to feed the expeditionary army, so he went to the gracious Ukraine. Napoleon ..., here is an interesting question, from the field of human psychology - what would be considered the Emperor of the Earth, I exaggerate a little, shortening, but he needed Moscow - like the Third Rome! His crown, the Emperor of the Great Roman Empire, would not have been complete without the spiritual heiress of Byzantium, and he did not pursue the goal of capturing and humiliating Alexander; he needed him for a campaign in Asia and violence against England!
              Nevertheless, what fate Bonaparte was preparing for St. Petersburg, today no one knows. But Napoleon allocated two corps for the attack on Peter. The tenth army corps of Marshal Jacques-Etienne MacDonald and the second army corps of Marshal Nicolas-Charles Oudinot. This army group "North" was opposed by the 1st separate infantry corps of Lieutenant General Peter Wittgenstein ... Not the point! History does not have a subjunctive mood and the incomprehensible plans of Napoleon do not belittle the courage of the Russian soldier and the people as a whole!
              1. +6
                5 March 2018 14: 43
                Do not belittle the courage of the Russian soldier and the people as a whole!
                God have mercy, this is definitely not about me. I am proud of the defenders of the fatherland of all time.
                I will say it once again, now there is a lot of lies about the Union and few remember the truth with regard to the times of Stalin, especially Peter and such antiquity as the times of John, we just don’t know anything, well, almost nothing.
                For example, the title of Alexander 1
                By God's mercy, We, Alexander the First, Emperor and Autocrat
                All-Russian, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod, Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Khersonis of Taurida, Sovereign Pskov and Grand Prince of Smolensky, Lithuanian, Volyn and Podolsky, Prince of Estonia. Livonian, Kurland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Korelsky, Tver, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others; Sovereign and Grand Prince of Novgorod the Nizov land, Chernihiv. Ryazan, Polotsk. Rostov. Yaroslavl, Beloozersky, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondiysky, Vitebsk, Mstislavsky and all Northern countries Lord and Sovereign of Iversky, Kartalinsky, Georgian and Kabardian lands, Cherkasy and Gorsky Princes and other hereditary Sovereign and Possessor, Heir to Norwegian, Herzogs Gorzogs-Gorzogs Ditmarsensky and Oldenburgsky and Tsar Eversky and other, and other, and other.
                it can be used to study the history and geography of those times.
                However, I just wanted to say that we need to be careful about the judgments of ancient times, even if these are the childhood times of our parents.) hi
          2. +8
            5 March 2018 13: 34
            I think you are wrong. This was begun by Ivan the Terrible.
            The first regular army - archers, with uniform staffs, weapons, uniforms, was created by Ivan the Terrible.
            Guns cast in foundries at monasteries were willingly bought in Europe.
            There are a lot of myths about Grozny, and among other things, his Sudebnik was a very progressive code of laws, and local self-government of the zemstvo was also established under him.
            Architecture, painting, mostly church, but also secular.
            Yesterday I watched a program about the Faceted Chamber, some paintings, walls, ceilings, forging, etc. on the Culture channel. And why is it worse than Michelangelo?
      4. +8
        5 March 2018 10: 22
        Quote: Finches
        that then, given the time, he didn’t have another way, how to put the like to the wall

        The overwhelming majority of the “put to the wall” were rehabilitated, and the “decisions” about their execution by the state were OFFICIALLY convicted and called anti-legal, i.e. criminal.
        Shot, by the way, numerically, a few armies. Before the war, yes.
        NOBODY in the world and never did such a thing.
        Most of the enemies of the people turned out to be ... "people's" power fool
        Quote: Finches
        And almonds, then Russia, if it existed on the political map of the world, it would be exclusively within the Garden Ring,

        Yeah, thank you for:
        1. transfer of Russian Donbass to Ukraine:
        On February 17, 1919, the Defense Council of the RSFSR, chaired by Lenin, adopted a laconic decision on the fate of the Donetsk Republic as part of the RSFSR: “Ask Comrade Stalin through the Bureau of the Central Committee to destroy Krivdonbass". What he did Stalin: "There will be no Donkrivbass and it shouldn’t be, it’s time to quit doing stupid things ”
        . By its order, the Don province was created as part of Ukraine (from Russian lands). By the way, letters and requests to return the Donbass to Russia went to the Second World War.
        2. The creation of the UNION OF the Kazakh Republic, the KYRGYZ REPUBLIC from the body of Russia and the inclusion of the original RUSSIAN lands in it - the whole north of Kazakhstan.
        3. Creation from the RUSSIAN Bessarabian province .... THE MOLDOVAN REPUBLIC (NOBODY even asked!)
        "Thanks, yes request
        1. +15
          5 March 2018 10: 28
          Olgovich hi First of all, no one is safe from mistakes, and even more so, it could not have occurred to anyone then that the USSR would fall apart and therefore the division into Ukrainian and Russian lands, Kazakh ones, was conditional, more ideological, to emphasize the brotherhood of peoples and their equality in a single state, as an example of peaceful coexistence! Yes, it was a time bomb, but I emphasize it once again - it couldn’t come to anyone’s mind that Mikhail Raisovich would seize power ... laughing As for the repressed, since Great Kukuruzo stood at the helm of the country immediately after Stalin, then not all the enemies of the people were put up against the wall ... And it’s not good for you, sensible, judging by the whole person, here to tell liberal stories about "billion personally shot by Stalin"
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 12: 38
            Dear Eugene hi
            Quote: Finches
            Firstly, no one is safe from mistakes, and even more so, it could not have occurred to anyone then that the USSR would fall apart and therefore the division into Ukrainian and Russian lands, Kazakhs, was conditional, more ideological, that would emphasize the brotherhood of nations

            But why at the expense of RUSSIAN? belay ("Russian scoundrels" as announced at the 10th congress of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks)
            From Stalin:
            For the proper implementation of the national program, it is still necessary to overcome the obstacles that are inherited

            -This legacy consists, firstly, of remnants great power chauvinism being a reflection former privileged position of Great Russians

            - decisive struggle with remnants of Great Russian chauvinism is the first regular task of our party.
            - the starting point of our national program is the paragraph on the right of nations to independent state existence
            - But the main elements of independence, of course, remain with each republic, if only because each republic has the right to unilaterally withdraw from the Union.
            Quote: Finches
            Yes, it was a time bomb, but I emphasize it once again - it couldn’t come to anyone’s mind that Mikhail Raisovich is seizing power.

            Those. the existence of the country depends on .... ONE person ?! WHERE is this seen?
            Quote: Finches
            As for the repressed, then, at the helm of the country, immediately after Stalin, Great Kukuruzo, not all enemies of the people were put to the wall ..

            In what other country did MILLIONS of enemies of the people exist? Which themselves "made their way" in large numbers to ... the highest state posts? Remember what difficulties any state should introduce one or two scouts. And here, SELF-INDIVIDUAL people, at their own peril and risk, SUCCESSFULLY spread rot either industry, then C / economy, or the army, etc. lol fool
            Quote: Finches
            And it’s not good for you, sensible, judging by the whole person, here to tell liberal stories about "the billion personally executed by Stalin"

            Dear Eugene, my Russian people are not indifferent to me.
            100 years ago, he grew at a speed 3 million per year and the main question was WHERE TO TAKE THE EARTH ?!!, and since 1964 the people have already died out, and by 1980 only half a million empty houses stood in the Non-Black Earth region and the land was empty on a million hectares. Summary-Russian Cross
            Didn’t you have a question, WHY? In Europe, yes, there was nowhere to grow there a hundred years ago (263 people-km2, Belgium). But in Russia, where was 9,5 h / km2 and huge open spaces?

            -On the famines of 1932-33, 47g, unprecedented in the history of mankind -You know, these are many, many millions of victims, in no Africa this was
            - shooting of 600 people during the YEAR,
            - links of 2,5 million peasants (of which about 40% are CHILDREN), (600 victims), mortality is 000 times higher than the birth rate
            camps.
            - VODKA permission since 1923 and many times after an increase in output (soldering people) - as a source of money
            etc.
            In the 1930s, the beginning of a demographic catastrophe was laid: not a single generation that entered into working life since 1928 has reproduced itself ...

            Putin, March 2018: "Russia's main task is PEOPLE SAVING. "
            And then people did NOT cherish ..... request
            1. +9
              5 March 2018 12: 50
              Olgovich! Kazakh in Kazakhstan is Kazakh, Georgian in Georgia is Georgian, Moldavian in Moldova is Moldovan ... but Kazakh in Russia is Russian, Georgian in Russia is Russian, Moldavian in Russia is Russian! The same Stalin in his toast at the Kremlin reception on May 24, 1945. :"For the Russian people!", because he did not divide his nationality, but felt the pride of his belonging to the Russian people! And this is the cornerstone of the existence of Russia and its original parts - time will pass, it will be understood by both Kazakhs and Belarusians, even Ukrainians ... There is no third! Only this will take evolutionary time! As for demography - it is slow and the victims of the war began to affect precisely at the time you indicated, as now - failure of the early 90s, and its peak only this year! hi
              1. +4
                5 March 2018 14: 23
                Quote: Finches
                Kazakh in Kazakhstan is Kazakh, Georgian in Georgia is Georgian, Moldavian in Moldova is Moldovan ... but Kazakh in Russia is Russian, Georgian in Russia is Russian, Moldavian in Russia is Russian!

                No, I don’t understand: Moldovan in Russia is Moldovan, like Kazakh.
                Quote: Finches
                because he didn’t share his nationality, but he felt the pride of his belonging to the Russian people!

                He didn’t share it, yes: he took it from the Russians, gave it to others - land, money, resources
                Quote: Finches
                As for demography - it is slow and the victims of the war began to affect precisely at the time you indicated, as now - failure of the early 90s, and its peak only this year!

                Read what they have done to the countryhttp: //www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/t
                ema02.php
                WHAT FOR?!
                If you do not know how, leave, don’t take it! Moreover, no one asked or instructed ....
              2. +3
                5 March 2018 22: 16
                Zyablitsov:
                When asked by a Western journalist Stalin "what nationality is he," Stalin answered, "I am a Russian man of Georgian nationality!"
            2. +6
              5 March 2018 13: 36
              All the same myths. Not tired?
              1. +5
                5 March 2018 14: 01
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                All the same myths. Not tired?

                Truth. Tired of it?
                1. +3
                  6 March 2018 15: 41
                  "-On the famines unprecedented in the history of mankind 1932-33, 47g -You know, these are many, many millions of victims, there has never been such a thing in any Africa
                  - shooting of 600 people during the YEAR,
                  - links of 2,5 million peasants (of which about 40% are CHILDREN), (600 victims), mortality is 000 times higher than the birth rate
                  camps.
                  -resolution of VODKA since 1923 and many times after an increase in output (soldering of people) -as a source of money "
                  -------------------------------------------
                  This is called myths. Didn’t Smrnoff produce vodka under the kings? Wasn’t there a famine under kings?
                  680 thousand were settled from 25 to 54, more than half of them are criminals.
                  The rest is also said a long time ago.
                  1. +2
                    7 March 2018 09: 14
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    This is called myths.

                    So develop at least ONE! You cannot, for it is true, not myths.
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    Didn’t Smrnoff produce vodka under the kings?

                    Under kings (1913), REMEMBER, 50% of men and 90% of women did not drink in general. Since 1914, the Prohibition Act was actually introduced, and since 1916, legally introduced, "for the sobriety of Russia for eternal times."
                    Secretly canceled by balotourists in 1923, money was extracted for "sterilization." fool
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    Wasn’t there a famine under kings?

                    There was hunger, but there were no deaths from starvation since 1891 (and even 400 thousand can not be compared with 7 million 1933). And NEVER, remember, in Russia there was no cannibalism and corpse-eating, as in the USSR. LEARN the history of the Motherland: http://new.rusarchives.ru/publication/hunger-ussr
                    /1933_15.shtml.
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    680 thousand were settled from 25 to 54, more than half of them are criminals.

                    Help Pavlova-VM for 37-38 g- 650 thousand.
                  2. +1
                    8 March 2018 10: 01
                    Tula gingerbread
                    execution during YEAR 600 000 people
                    680 thousand were settled from 25 to 54, more than half of them are criminals.

                    If not more.
            3. +5
              5 March 2018 13: 41
              But was there an opportunity at this most difficult and most difficult time for the country to protect the people? In a war, there are situations when, for the sake of salvation, thousands have to be sent to certain death, this is the cruel law of struggle, and the country during this period was in varying degrees of bitterness constantly in a state of war, this is a fact.
              No, well, maybe if you, at this historical period, led the country, thanks to your ingenious abilities, you would have looked at the brutal resistance inside and the hostile environment of the outside country would have carried out industrialization, collectivization of agriculture, raising the cultural and educational population level, and even the war with Hitler’s Europe, you won with just one left, but what can you do, Russia was not lucky, you were not in the Kremlin during this period.
              1. +5
                5 March 2018 14: 11
                Quote: Svidetel 45
                But was there an opportunity at this most difficult and most difficult time for the country to protect the people?

                What time is 30 years? Of course, it was possible and even the DUTY of the state to protect, preserve and increase it.
                Moreover, in words and in newspapers it was so!
                NOT A WORD in the newspapers of that time you will find about the many millions of victims of hunger, hundreds of thousands of gunmen shot, millions exiled. NO them!
                Quote: Svidetel 45
                the country in this period was in varying degrees of bitterness constantly in a state of war, this is a fact.

                there was no war, that's a fact
                Quote: Svidetel 45
                No, well, maybe if you, at this historical period, led the country, thanks to your ingenious abilities, you would have looked at the brutal resistance inside and the hostile environment of the outside country would have carried out industrialization, collectivization of agriculture, raising the cultural and educational population level

                ALL countries, like a thousand years, Russia BEFORE these, "pursued by enemies" fool , lived, built and developed WITHOUT these atrocities. And nothing, lived and live.
                Once again, these victims were NOT officially. All was good".
                WHY were silent, if in your opinion, it was so necessary, huh?
                AFRAID that the people would be horrified.
                The whole rule of the defenseless Bolsheviks who are ever offended and pursued by the "enemies" is a lie, a lie and a lie
                1. +5
                  6 March 2018 16: 10
                  "Without these victims"? Lying again. All of Europe is covered in blood knee-deep. Starting with enclosure, and so on.
                  You do not know the story. Bias interferes.
                  1. +2
                    7 March 2018 09: 25
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    "Without these victims"? Lying again. All of Europe is covered in blood knee-deep. Starting with enclosure, and so on.

                    Examples lead flooded the blood of OUR citizens of countries. 20th century. 19th, 18th is also possible. Examples of multimillion-dollar victims of starvation with carcass in Europe in the 20th century.
                    You can not? No you can not. And who are you after that?
                    The usual ignoramus ..
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    You do not know the story. Bias interferes.

                    You do not know the story. But what prevents ... I think that ordinary LITERACY.
                    1. +3
                      7 March 2018 14: 09
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Examples of multimillion-dollar victims of starvation with carcass in Europe in the 20th century.

                      "Victims of Holodomor" pulled themselves up.

                      Run back to the Maidan to ride.
                      1. 0
                        7 March 2018 15: 54
                        Quote: Conserp
                        Run back to the Maidan to ride.

                        Quote: Conserp
                        "Victims of Holodomor" pulled themselves up.

                        Famine, except for Russia, was mainly in the territory New Russia, which the Bolshevik criminals gave the so-called Ukraine.
                        Those. most of the dead are Russian people.
                        Quote: Conserp
                        Run back to the Maidan to ride.

                        I do not follow the advice from Kashchenko. lol Yes
                2. 0
                  14 March 2018 00: 34
                  He has amnesia, forgot in the 90s how many liberal bosses of the innocent
                  souls ruined betraying people
            4. +3
              5 March 2018 20: 06
              Quote: Olgovich
              and since 1964, the people have already died out, and by 1980, only in the Non-Chernozem Territory there were half a million empty houses and the land was empty on a million hectares. Summary-Russian Cross
              Didn’t you have a question, WHY? In Europe, yes, there was nowhere to grow there a hundred years ago (263 people-km2, Belgium). But in Russia, where was 9,5 h / km2 and huge open spaces?

              The number of people with 1964 began to decrease because women who were supposed to give birth were born between 1940 and 1945. What happened at this time in the territory of the Soviet Union, I hope it is not necessary to explain? Unlike Belgium, villages with residents were not burned there.
              1. +1
                6 March 2018 06: 21
                Quote: Captain45
                The number of people with 1964 began to decrease because women who were supposed to give birth were born between 1940 and 1945. What happened at this time in the territory of the Soviet Union, I hope it is not necessary to explain? Unlike Belgium, villages with residents were not burned there.

                In the 1930 the beginning of a demographic catastrophe: not a single generation entered the working life since 1928not reproduced itself ...
                Read http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/t
                ema02.php
        2. MrK
          +8
          5 March 2018 13: 00
          Quote: Olgovich
          Shot, by the way, numerically, a few armies.

          Dear Olgovich. Well, maybe enough already whining about the repression. Recently I read a wonderful article on Proza.ru: STALIN REPRESSIONS OF THE 30 OF THE YEARS. ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY ARE STALIN? http://www.proza.ru/2017/06/13/60. And I recommend you. If this question interests you. And not just pour slops over the Stalinist period.
        3. +7
          5 March 2018 19: 04
          Quote: Olgovich
          The overwhelming majority of those “put to the wall” have been rehabilitated, and the “decisions” about their executions by the state have been OFFICIALLY convicted and called anti-legal, i.e. criminal.

          To the question of the objectivity of rehabilitation. We’ll wait a little longer and the state will also rehabilitate the Vlasovites, as in Ukraine the Banderaites were re-established.
          1. +1
            6 March 2018 06: 39
            Quote: Alexander Green
            To the question of the objectivity of rehabilitation. We’ll wait a little longer and the state will also rehabilitate the Vlasovites, as in Ukraine the Banderaites were re-established.

            Yes, 650 000 the person is "investigated" and shot during ONE year (37-38g) "correctly." fool The man was shot, but he was not present at the “trial” and “conviction”, he did NOT have protection, could not justify himself. But I got a bullet.
            Are you normal?
            Shooting cases in the NORMAL state are investigated for YEARS to rule out a mistake (you won’t get it back), and then for MINUTES a couple of drowns were "correctly" resolved.
            Yezhov, who did this, was shot. But he destroyed, in your opinion, right.
            Are you normal?
            1. +5
              7 March 2018 02: 03
              Quote: Olgovich
              Are you normal?

              It is quite normal. They shot enemies of the people for specific crimes. And them in the 30s. there were many. At that time, my commander's father was the head of the district OGPU-NKVD, so he didn’t spend a night at home, every night in the area there were murders, arsons, or damage to socialist property. There was a category of slanders, they dealt with and released with him, but it happened (enemies of the people and in the NKVD were) and did not work. Therefore, objective rehabilitation can only be under the power of the working people.
              1. 0
                7 March 2018 09: 27
                Quote: Alexander Green
                It is quite normal.

                Your justification for the targeted destruction of compatriots in the hundreds of thousands a year makes you doubt it.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                only under the rule of the working people.

                The working people do not need power. He never had her. And she was never interested in it.
                And all kinds of crooks, allegedly representatives of the working people, we know from history. And again we do not want. Because after those previous ones, few people are left. And one more "representatives of the working people" Russia will not pull. Will die out.
                1. +3
                  7 March 2018 10: 36
                  To begin with, your statement about the "extermination of compatriots by hundreds of thousands a year" namely by Stalin, or by his decree, and even more so "lowered" is an unsubstantiated chatter, your second statement also does not contain anything logical "power to the working people not needed "this statement contradicts any form of interconnection in society and human nature.
                  1. 0
                    8 March 2018 23: 18
                    Quote: Mstivoy
                    is unverified chatter

                    At the 20th Congress, did the Communists engage in "empty chatter"?
                    Quote: Mstivoy
                    it does not carry anything logical "The working people don’t need power" this statement contradicts any form of interconnection in society and human nature.

                    Once again, I will repeat to those who are in an armored train, the working people need jobs with good pay. The power people are not interested in power issues.
                    This is only the “leader of the world proletariat” (not working for a single day) Ulyanov was very interested in power.
                    And the leader of the working people of the whole world (formerly a professional robber-raider) Dzhugashvili, held onto her hands and teeth.
                    1. +2
                      9 March 2018 10: 11
                      For those who were in an armored train, at the 20th congress there was no criticism of Stalin, criticism was after the 20th congress ... And speaking of the criticism itself, yes, everyone who was engaged in chatter there, even though they positioned themselves as communists. And again, for those who are in an armored train, for the working people in the USSR, a system was introduced to familiarize themselves with the principles of the state apparatus and was introduced in all educational institutions; therefore, the objective of this phenomenon was nothing more than an attempt to involve working people in the process of governing the country, in other words, to politics.
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                2. +3
                  8 March 2018 01: 07
                  Quote: wer2
                  And one more "representatives of the working people" Russia will not pull. Will die out

                  While Russia is dying out today, and during the time of Stalin, the population grew, despite the most difficult war.
                  1. 0
                    8 March 2018 23: 13
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    and during the time of Stalin, the population grew,

                    Abortion was banned, and then had no idea about women's calendars. And they didn’t even hear about condoms. So it grew.
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    despite the hardest war.

                    And who turned this war into the hardest?
                    1. 0
                      10 March 2018 09: 57
                      Quote: wer2
                      And who turned this war into the hardest?

                      Who?
              2. +2
                7 March 2018 09: 29
                Quote: Alexander Green
                It is quite normal.

                No. For say this nonsense:
                Quote: Alexander Green
                They shot enemies of the people for specific crimes. And them in the 30s. there were many.

                Quote: Alexander Green
                I didn’t spend a night at home; in the area every night, there were murders, arsons, or damage to socialist property

                Sick person.....
                Quote: Alexander Green
                There was a category of slanders, they dealt with and released with him, but it happened (enemies of the people and in the NKVD were) and did not work. Therefore objective rehabilitation can only be under the power of the working people.

                Rehabilitation - what revive the hundreds of thousands of innocently executed? fool
                1. +4
                  7 March 2018 10: 55
                  With the same ease as you, I summarize your entire post, you carry complete nonsense and you are a sick person ...
                  1. 0
                    10 March 2018 11: 06
                    Quote: Mstivoy
                    With the same ease as you, I summarize your entire post, You carry complete nonsense

                    Prove that this is "nonsense."
                    I brought dataand you with green are just chatter.
                    And who is raving? belay
                2. 0
                  10 March 2018 09: 57
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Sick person.....

                  Who would say that. It is you who dream of the dead with braids and bald men.
                  1. 0
                    10 March 2018 11: 07
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Really who would say.

                    And do not say lol
                    1. +1
                      11 March 2018 00: 58
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      And do not say

                      Our sick, sorry.
    4. +16
      5 March 2018 07: 48
      Add to this the liberal stench and rot, pouring mud on the leader of the peoples and driving the view of Stalin into the heads of our children as the enemy of all peoples, unleashing the Second World War, destroying their people, eliminating the color of the Russian intelligentsia.
      The main question is: where would this whole liberal party be, a bastard, if Stalin had not won the war, from what parents would Chubais, Gozman, etc. be born, if the USSR leader did not lead the peoples leader to victory? History gives us the answer. What would have happened under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev: the first cut the idea of ​​socialism at the root and created the conditions for spitting on our history, the second froze all development and thereby brought the country to such an existence in which people began to look to the West as a savior , able to provide sausage and free pants, the third generally betrayed and destroyed the country that our fathers and grandfathers had built, created under the leadership of Stalin. All of this is collectively called the "liberal coven in Russia."
      God loves trinity! Russia has already gone through all three stages of great horror: the 16-17th century, the betrayal of the elite, the great turmoil, the Polish invasion; the beginning of the 20th century, the year 17, the betrayal of the elite, the great turbidity of the consciousness of the people, the collapse of the empire, the civil war, the loss of part of Russia by Russia; the end of the 20th century, the 90s, the betrayal of the elite and the collapse of the country, the loss of part of the territory, the humiliation and impoverishment of the people.
      Russia has passed its Trinity; it has completely sipped a full cup. The Lord taught us from our mistakes. Finally, we realized that only a strong Russia with a united people is capable of
      to exist as an independent state, providing conditions for the multiplication and development of its people.
      Russia, having gone through all circles of hell, has risen from the ashes, and now it is obliged to protect itself from repeating the lessons that the Lord taught it: a return to liberalism in Russia should not happen with us, nor with our children, nor with the children of our children, not with our distant descendants. The defense of Russia from liberalism should be the memory of a people exalting the genius of Stalin, who saved the country and people from the monster of liberal Zionism in the early 20th century.

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every patriot of Russia: a strong state, a united nation, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
    5. +7
      5 March 2018 08: 19
      Stalin built the country on his own understanding, namely, as the Union of Peoples, but it turned out that even under Stalin, some peoples like to group in good places, for example, the Union of Composers, or the Soviet film industry, or the Ministry of Commerce, medicine, and indeed the remaining "culture." By any repressions or, all the more, calls for internationalism, these efforts cannot be deduced even by Stalin.
      But all the Stalinist and non-Stalinist transformations were made at the expense of another people — already Russian. It was the Russians who suffered most from the evil revolution, collectivization, industrialization, war,
      on the other hand, the Union of Peoples was created, a state built on the ephemeral foundation of internationalism, which collapsed quickly as soon as these "union ingredients" began to move around.
      Stalin was an idealist, he wanted the best, he thought the peoples would live as one family and have equal rights, but this turned out to be impossible, because there is no brotherhood of peoples and there is no brotherhood at all, everything is only for itself. And the state is held together only by force.
    6. +8
      5 March 2018 09: 27
      Quote: svp67
      It is enough to simply read through the words of Stalin to understand how insightful this man was and one can only hope that he was really right and everything will happen as he foresaw

      HOW can you grasp what he did NOT say? belay request
      Quote: svp67
      (I.V. Stalin. From a recording of a conversation with A. Kollontai)

      There was NOT such a conversation at all! From the Kollontai diary for that day ::
      “Stalin never saw. Annoyingly! "

      "Conversation" is given in the magazine Dialogue for ....1998 and 2004. belay

      Yes, and why would Stalin in 1939 did he give this "testament"?
      Yes, and who is the nympho Kollontai? ("The Road to the Winged Eros!" Letter to youth) request
      1. +7
        5 March 2018 09: 41
        Quote: Olgovich
        From the Kollontai diary for that day ::

        Having settled in the Moscow Hotel, Alexandra Mikhailovna began to call V.M. Molotov.
        “I,” recalls Kollontai, “sit and expect Molotov at the reception. I have been waiting for hours. Secretaries return from the office and succinctly throw me:
        - No, still busy, wait. - ....
        With a certain feeling of dissatisfaction, fatigue and rising heavy responsibility, I slowly went to the hotel, sorting out the details of the meeting with Molotov, ”Alexandra Mikhailovna wrote. - I tried to resolve official issues regarding the People’s Commissar and the Foreign Trade Department as soon as possible and return to Stockholm. I wanted, especially after meeting with Molotov, to call Stalin. I broke out internally several times, but, realizing the whole situation, the tension of the moment and the responsibility that fell on Stalin, I could not bother him ...
        A few fussy days passed. I decided almost all my business and was about to leave. Suddenly a phone rang:
        - Comrade Alexandra Mikhailovna Kollontai?
        - Yes. I am listening to you.
        - Comrade Stalin invites you. Could you meet? And what time would you like?
        I replied that at any moment, as Comrade Stalin liked it. For a while there was silence. Apparently, the secretary reported to Stalin.
        “Can you now?”
        - Certainly can.
        - In seven minutes the car will be at the main entrance of the Moscow Hotel. Goodbye, Alexandra Mikhailovna ....
        Quote: Olgovich
        Yes, and to someone a nympho Kollontai

        You never know who did in his youth, the main thing is that at that time she was not the last person in our politics, this woman was the USSR Ambassador to Sweden and time showed that she was there in her place.
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 13: 01
          Quote: svp67
          Having settled in the Moscow Hotel, Alexandra Mikhailovna began to call V.M. Molotov.
          “I,” recalls Kollontai, “sit and expect Molotov at the reception. I have been waiting for hours. Secretaries return from the office and succinctly throw me:

          Dear svp67,
          After all, it was simpler than simple to prove photocopy this "diary". But her, NO!
          As there is no visiting journal of Stalin visiting his Kollontai
          Quote: svp67
          Who did what in youth, the main thing is that at that time she was not the last person in our politics,

          What a youth at 51 years old? belay lol It was at this age that she wrote the "letter of youth "To the Winged Eros!" .
          And would he trust her will? No.
    7. +6
      5 March 2018 10: 36
      Quote: svp67
      It is enough just to get a grasp of Stalin's words, in order to understand how far-sighted this man was and it remains to hope that he really was right and everything will happen as he had foreseen.

      No, not enough. You should also know that he never said such words.
      "Stalin's talk with AM Kollontai" dated 1939 for the year is published in the 18 volume of the Complete Works of I.V. Stalin. So, Kolontay in November 1939, the year with Stalin did not meet at all. So she wrote in her diaries:
      "even though I was in Moscow only two days, an order came from Vyacheslav Mikhailovich to fly back to Sweden at 6 in the morning. I never saw Stalin. It's a shame!"

      How could Stalin say in 1939 that his affairs would be spat upon? How would he then know about the future de-Stalinization?
      The thing is that 18-th volume of Stalin’s PSS, as well as 17-th, as well as 16-th, 15-th and 14-th have nothing to do to historical Stalin because in Stalin's PSS total 13 volumes, and the rest is a phantasmagoric remake of 2000's, but at the same time cited as authoritative sources even in the official press and is sold in online stores. Citizens, beware! The authors of such articles and singing to them, you are taken for illiterate legkoverov and try to mislead.
      1. +4
        5 March 2018 10: 45
        I will specify:
        A.M. I quote Kolontai from the book "Diplomatic Diaries: 1922-1940", Volume 2. page 467
      2. +2
        5 March 2018 11: 09
        It was the end of 60, the beginning of 70 of the 20 of the century. My grandfather, the deceased now, kept at the dacha in the shed of J. Stalin s.-100 volumes and V. I. Lenin's-even more. Publications "Stalin" printed during his lifetime. I read in secret, but did not understand much, boy. Now something is remembered - and understood!
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 12: 42
          Quote: Sinbad
          It was the end of 60, the beginning of 70 of the 20 of the century. My grandfather, the deceased now, kept at the dacha in the shed of J. Stalin s.-100 volumes and V. I. Lenin's-even more. Publications "Stalin" printed during his lifetime. I read in secret, but did not understand much, boy. Now something is remembered - and understood!

          The fact that your grandfather saved the PSS was lucky for you, but the fact that there were hundreds of them seemed to you in early childhood. PSS V.I. Lenin - 55 volumes, and PSS I.V. Stalin - 13 volumes. Everything else, from the evil one.
          1. BAI
            +1
            5 March 2018 17: 01
            PSS I.V. Stalin - 13 volumes. Everything else is from the evil one.

            At the expense of Stalin - a moot point.
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 1. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 2. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 3. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 4. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 5. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 6. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 7. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 8. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 9. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 10. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 11. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 12. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 13. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951

            It announced plans to release TT. 14-16 with the following contents:

            T. 14 - works of 1934-1940.
            t. 15 - History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). Short course
            t. 16 - works of the war period

            The contents of subsequent volumes have not been announced. After Stalin's death, the edition of the collection continued to be reprinted. After 1956, the edition of the collected works was interrupted and did not resume; volumes 14-16 were not published.
            In 1965, the Hoover Institute for War, Revolution and Peace (Stanford University) issued vol. 14-16, however, their content was slightly different from the planned Soviet edition:

            t. 14 - works from 1934 before the war
            T. 15 - works of war
            t. 16 - post-war work.
            1. +3
              5 March 2018 17: 20
              Quote: BAI
              Stanford University

              This is not a PSS. This is all amateur art + studio whistling under the direction of Comrade Kosolapov, who also produced something. Believe all this should be very careful.
    8. +7
      5 March 2018 11: 05
      They hate Stalin for destroying the high command before the war, hate for collective farms, hate for the famine of the 1930s and 40s, hate for exile and repression against entire nations, hate for the fear in which society lived in those days.
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 12: 16
        Insignificant little people, gray mass, including at the very top. They a priori cannot forgive a person that she is a person .... Stalin is a great figure ... Contradictory, but great .... And not "no", that the only thing that can be said about those who hold power now.
      2. +5
        5 March 2018 12: 56
        hate for
        but they love Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin ...
      3. +2
        5 March 2018 13: 39
        And again all the same myths and tales.
      4. +9
        5 March 2018 13: 41
        [quote = РУСС] Stalin is hated for the destruction of the high command before the war [/ quote]

        And who fought: Rokossovsky, Vasilevsky, Zhukov, not the highest command staff? It’s bad that I didn’t clean the army to the end, then they would not have been exposed to the blow of the USSR. Better to let several potential traitor generals be shot than kill millions of soldiers.

        they hate for collective farms, they hate for the famine of the 1930's and 40's [/ quote]

        Hunger - the consequences of the tsarist devastation, if it lasted longer, it would be even worse. In the near future, this may happen when the Soviet legacy ends.

        hate for the fear in which society lived in those days. [/ quote]

        The bastards lived in fear, which now also suffice.
        1. +2
          5 March 2018 15: 26
          Quote: Brother Fox
          Hunger - the consequences of royal devastation, it would have lasted longer, it would be even worse

          This is just even funny!
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 16: 22
            Try to analyze, then laugh. Why did Stalin first start building heavy industry? Because machines were needed: tractors, machine tools, tanks, etc. It was necessary to sow and harvest bread, because tsarist Russia was lagging behind, and the people needed to be fed.
      5. +4
        5 March 2018 13: 46
        They hate by their stupidity and insignificance, who do not know how to understand the true essence of historical events, but this problem, let them hate it, to each his own.
      6. 0
        10 March 2018 06: 00
        And love for what? What are the monuments for?
    9. +12
      5 March 2018 12: 51
      "Stalin is the center, the heart of everything that radiates from Moscow around the world." French writer A. Barbus. I subscribe to every word of this writer.
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 13: 06
        Quote: Terenin
        "Stalin is the center, the heart of everything that radiates from Moscow around the world." French writer A. Barbus. I subscribe to every word of this writer.

        Arnie Barbusse - Member of the French Communist Party (since 1923). Foreign honorary member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR (1933).
        So what to expect from this red paddling pool? Of course he will sing odes to Stalin laughing
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 13: 43
          wink well, and let the paddling pool, but - red!
    10. +4
      5 March 2018 19: 00
      Quote: svp67
      It is enough to simply read through the words of Stalin to understand how insightful this man was and one can only hope that he was really right and everything will happen as he foresaw
      "Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage.

      And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me. World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again.
      The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, opening the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
      Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy chiefs will appeartraitors within their nations.

      In general, in the future, development will go in more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be especially agitated. There will be sharp contradictions with the West. And still, no matter how events develop, but time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the affairs and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due.
      They will build their future on our past.
      "

      (I.V. Stalin. From a recording of a conversation with A. Kollontai)

      We must not just hope, we must fight for such a future!
  2. +23
    5 March 2018 07: 01
    On March 5, 1953, the great people's leader Joseph Stalin passed away. So many people will not see off the bad leader on their last journey, and this is just not the majority of the people in the photograph, and this is only Moscow and it was all over the country, and our liberals hate him, whom he did not finish in his time, unfortunately.
    1. +4
      5 March 2018 10: 49
      Quote: bionik
      oh leader, so many people on the last journey will not be escorted

      The decision to condemn the Stalin personality cult was adopted UNANIMOUSLY by all 1349 the best communists of the USSR-delegates of the 20th congress.

      From the documents
      1. From information of the Leningrad Regional Committee of the CPSU of March 16, 1956
      .

      At a meeting of the party asset, questions were asked.

      - If many honest people are posthumously rehabilitated, then why did the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Twentieth Party Congress not decide on the posthumous condemnation of Stalin, which caused so much harm to our Motherland?

      - All the people from 1937 to 1952 lived in the grip of a military dictator - Stalin, and everyone felt and resented this at heart. Why so. Khrushchev, Molotov and others did not organize the salvation of the people, did not sweep away one monster from the throne?

      - How to relate to the theoretical legacy of Stalin?

      - Why is the role of the CPSU Central Committee commission on the Leningrad Affair, headed by Comrade Malenkov9 not disclosed?

      Participants in the meetings of district party assets unanimously approved the decisions of the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU, accepted them for steady execution, and outlined measures to put them into practice.

      Secretary of the Leningrad Regional Committee of the CPSU Kozlov10

      RGASPI. F. 556. Op. 14. D. 45. L. 20-26.

      .
      . From the information of the Kalinin Regional Committee of the CPSU

      22 March 1956 city
      Many communists, in their speeches and in the notes submitted to the speakers and to the presidium of the meetings, made proposals to remove the body of Stalin from the Lenin Mausoleum, remove his portraits and not call him a comrade. Similar statements were made and non-partisan. At some enterprises, on collective farms, institutions and schools, they began to spontaneously shoot portraits of Stalin.
      Secretary of the Kalinin Regional Committee of the CPSU
      F. Goryachev14
      RGASPI. F. 556. Op. 14. D. 45. L. 36-39.

      Etc.

      Then Stalin was taken out and buried, the monuments were demolished (thousands), the portraits were removed and silence: no demonstrations of indignation, no rallies in defense, nothing ...
      These are the facts.
      1. +9
        5 March 2018 11: 15
        These are the results of propaganda. At first they told about Stalin that he was beautiful and the people went out to accompany him, then they said that he was terrible and the people were not indignant. Unfortunately, these are the flaws of the time. "TV" and "newspapers" were believed unconditionally, and even more so, of the "party." That is why it was also easy to destroy the USSR, including stupid propaganda. Let me remind you that nobody came to the defense of the USSR either. Therefore, Stalin needs to be judged not by how much happened then, but because they are thinking about him now. Now many documents are open, now there is the Internet, we can compare, analyze the arguments of different historians. And what have we come to? The support of Stalin among the people is enormous. The conclusion is very simple: those who went out to take him on the last journey were right, and not those who did not go out when they destroyed his monuments, although in the first and second cases they went out unconsciously.
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 13: 12
          Quote: Antivirus2k
          Now many documents are open, now there is the Internet, we can compare, analyze the arguments of different historians. And what have we come to? The support of Stalin among the people is enormous.

          I did not see the "huge" And what is, it is precisely because of the same propaganda. Documents - NOBODY, as a rule, does not read.
          And when you point to them, they say, it cannot be!
          Quote: Antivirus2k
          right were those who went to take him on their last journey, and not those who did not go when they destroyed his monuments, although in the first and second cases they went out unknowingly.

          Who failed, were not under propaganda? belay What were the opposition newspapers, parties, radio broadcasting information other than VKPBE?
          Here are the second and third, already HAD other information and could compare.
      2. +5
        5 March 2018 11: 56
        Quote: Olgovich


        Then Stalin was carried out and buried,.
        Moreover, they secretly carried out under cover of night, and from former associates who were afraid, subservient to him and did not see him, there was nothing else to expect from them .....
        The decision on the condemnation of the personality cult of Stalin was adopted UNANIMOUSLY by all 1349 best communists of the USSR, delegates of the 20th Congress.

        The political situation has changed and it is unlikely that someone began to vote against, and Khrushchev and his clique (because they themselves were soiled over the ears) did everything to whitewash themselves and denigrate Comrade. Stalin.
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 13: 16
          Quote: bionik
          And carried out secretly under cover of night,

          But then EVERYONE found out. But no one spoke (except Georgians)
          Quote: bionik
          The political situation has changed and hardly anyone has begun to vote against

          Are all traitors? belay
          By the way, there were no more executions of the 1937 sample and there was nothing to be afraid of, especially the best representatives of the party.
        2. +3
          5 March 2018 19: 08
          Moreover, they secretly carried out under cover of night, but from former associates who were afraid, subservient to him and did not see him, there was nothing else to expect from them .... [quote] [/ quote]
          And they cut the gold buttons!
      3. +4
        5 March 2018 13: 52
        And how old are you, don’t you know how we “unanimously” voted everywhere and for any reason, if you let the installation down vote unanimously? Even for a decrease in both prices and a decrease in wages, they voted unanimously. But there were protests, although the events in Georgia were recalled.
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 14: 35
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          And how old are you, don’t you know how we “unanimously” voted everywhere and for any reason, if you let the installation down vote unanimously?

          Like this?! belay
          1400 elected Communists-Stalinists and installation, in an instant, betrayed ..... Leader ?! request
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 20: 05
            Yes. betrayed. but not just ordinary communists, but partocrats, who were squeezed under Stalin, were not allowed to become princes in the places that they later became, in the 60-80s, and were until the age of 37, and whom the "corn-mailer" had lured to his side , all sorts of privileges and benefits. So they betrayed it, however, did not betray, they always hated him for the most part, because they supported Khrushchev so unanimously.
            1. +1
              6 March 2018 06: 46
              Quote: Svidetel 45
              Yes. betrayed. but not just ordinary communists, but partocrats, who under Stalin

              Ie ALL delegates to the congress (BEST people of the party)), traitors and p. lol
        2. +1
          5 March 2018 19: 13
          how did we "unanimously" vote everywhere and for any reason, if they let the installation down vote unanimously? [quote] [/ quote]

          And with what years did it start?
    2. +4
      5 March 2018 12: 59
      The trouble is that not only I didn’t finish it but also beat it for the show, thinking that the rest of the disadvantages would change their minds, no, they would not change their minds and would further harm all good undertakings in creating a human State !!!
      1. +4
        5 March 2018 14: 30
        Quote: Andrey1961
        The trouble is that not only I didn’t finish it, but also beat so for the show, thinking that the remaining disadvantages would come to their senses,

        How many millions needed to be finished? FOR FULL happiness? belay
        By the way, they ate themselves in the party and destroyed each other extremely actively and productively: 70% of the 17th state so-called "winners" killed each other!
        It would seem that after such purges, only diamonds should have remained! But no, again some TRAINERS climbed out! lol Yes
        Probably ALL had to. Yes
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 20: 15
          Millions on the conscience of just partocrats, such as Khrushchev and Eikhe, who organized competitions to identify the enemies of the Soviet regime, then they really are. received a well-deserved punishment from Stalin, but, unfortunately, not all, the first of the above got out of the way, and Stalin crushed the enemies, the lists of combine harvesters and tractor drivers, "enemies of the people" were not made by Stalin, but either enemies or morons who were on the wave revolutionary events were accumulated in the party and state security organs.
          1. +1
            6 March 2018 06: 53
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            then they are true. received a well-deserved punishment from Stalin,

            Do you hear yourself? Is Stalin should decide, kill not kill? Is this the middle ages?
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            and Stalin crushed enemies

            How did he define the "enemy"? Is he an investigator, god, psychic? what nonsense?
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            lists of combine harvesters and tractor drivers, "enemies of the people" were not made by Stalin

            WHY THESE LISTS in general have appeared? What kind of nonsense?
            WHERE, in which country, was such a time? These plans for the slaughter of their own citizens? fool
    3. 0
      8 March 2018 23: 09
      Quote: bionik
      Bad leader so many people in the last journey will not be escorted

      What's this. You should have seen how sobbing on the occasion of the death of another Kim. These are the great leaders, so the leaders.
      To heavenly Sev. Do not plan to blame Korea? No? And what is it, you can’t live without toilet paper? And without food, too?
      Why do you need all this? The main thing is that the leaders are good.
  3. +11
    5 March 2018 07: 03
    IVS Stalin was a product of his era. He did what he could from what he had located. But he used the idea of ​​revolution and developed it in every way. The main motive is public ownership of the means of production and income. Now we can argue about methods about results, but the fact says one thing. The USSR did not surprise anyone.
    1. +8
      5 March 2018 08: 36
      Quote: apro
      IVStalin is a product of his era. He did what he could

      He did everything for the country that he could, except for one, did not foresee and did not prevent people from coming to power in the country after him who would depart from the demands that Stalin made personally, as a leader and lived in According to them, and only because of this, I was able to do so much for the country. He did not create a tough methodology for selecting leaders of the devotees of the country in the same way as he was betrayed and then those who took power under his breath came to power. Maybe this is an unfair demand, he was not God, but also a man ... What I want to say by this, maybe it is now for President Putin, if he comes to this post after the elections, to develop such a scheme and such a law that the President Russia will have to give up so much personal in order to occupy this post, according to which all sorts of swindlers will not be able to come to power, and if they do, then in case of departure from the rules provided for in the law they will be automatically removed from there. Of course, this may be a controversial proposition, but for the good of the country something similar must be done.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 09: 28
        To blame IV Stalin for not preparing a shift. I think it’s not correct. He existed in the Russian system of reproduction of livelihoods. And this formed a human resource. With his moral and production skills. For the Soviet project, this was not enough, but the leader’s genius was able to this can be overcome. and over time, without changing the face of the human resource, it would have entered into irresistible contradictions between the Russian and Soviet systems.
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 09: 43
          Quote: apro
          existed in the Russian system of reproduction of means of livelihood. and

          What is it that you, like the liberals, have “the wrong people”?
          Quote: apro
          without changing the face of the human resource, it would have entered into insurmountable contradictions between the Russian and Soviet systems.

          Contradictions? But what about the words of Mr. Samsonov that the USSR is the “Russian Empire” and the statements of many communists that they say “Soviet = Russian”?
          1. +5
            5 March 2018 11: 43
            What is it that you, like the liberals, have “the wrong people”?
            The people at each time point have their own peculiarities in relation to neighboring peoples and the tasks facing them.
            The Soviet project over national. And is based on several other principles than the national state.
      2. +2
        5 March 2018 13: 00
        Gold words!!!
      3. 0
        8 March 2018 10: 11
        Tatar 174
        What I want to say by this, maybe it is now for President Putin, if he comes to this post after the election, to develop such a scheme and such a law on

        Yes Yes...
  4. +10
    5 March 2018 07: 04
    Great was a man, hard yes, but what a leader should be!
    1. +13
      5 March 2018 07: 23
      Yes, in fact, he did not spare himself ...
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 15: 28
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Yes, in fact, he did not spare himself ...

        More specific please?
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 17: 38
          Well, find a work schedule, or answer to the offer to exchange your son for Paulus, and indeed - read more!
  5. +8
    5 March 2018 07: 11
    "... a society dominated by an ethics of conscience." My question is: where did Comrade come from Gorbachev?
    And why did I.V. Stalin society so quickly, in a few years, began to slowly but surely disintegrate? A flaw? Or the lack of a systems approach in construction?
    Maybe people should believe in themselves, understand that material wealth is achieved not by duty, but by knowledge, honesty and decency. Tired of this "leaderism" worse than the bitter radish. Today we got to the point where every alcoholic or girl of easy virtue can apply for public office. And this, unfortunately, is observed all over the world, in all countries. And where does Stalin?
  6. +19
    5 March 2018 07: 15
    Analysis of the rulers of Russia in the 20th century (from some newspaper of the 1990s):
    Nicholas II. He lost all wars - both external and internal, for which we adore the liberal part of our society.
    Stalin. He won all the wars - both external and internal, for which we hate the same part of society.

    The quotes are not accurate, but the meaning is just that.
    1. +10
      5 March 2018 07: 38
      One amendment. Nicholas II lost only the Russo-Japanese War. He won the internal war against socialist socialist traitors by 1908. But he did not lose the PMV, but the Bolshevik SNK.
      1. avt
        +13
        5 March 2018 09: 57
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        One amendment. Nicholas II lost only the Russo-Japanese War.

        Yes, he simply lost it with the signing of a peace treaty and the loss of territory, which the other Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Stalin, returned with a profit.
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        But he did not lose the PMV, but the Bolshevik SNK.

        And in World War I, Nikolashka the Bloody simply deserted from the post of Supreme Commander. And what is being done with the deserters? Well, now they determine the lack of holy martyrs fool with an excess of ,, sensations "For sectarians this is the norm. Reality for them does not exist, and therefore it is understood that in the Brest the Bolsheviks did not sign surrender, but a separate peace, which is called - feel the difference, they are not given. That's because of the intellectual limitations of thinking .
      2. +4
        5 March 2018 11: 13
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        One amendment. Nicholas II lost only the Russo-Japanese War.

        I do not consider her defeat: total over 40 years before her, on the shore of the Golden Horn, FOR THE FIRST TIME, the foot of a Russian man, but of native Russia, year paths through the taiga, mountains and rivers.
        And forty years later, the city is the fortress of Vladivostok - with a fleet, factories, shipyards, theaters and even a museum! It was just a fairy tale!
        The Trans-Siberian Railway — the STEEL Ridge of Russia — was conducted to him by Nikolai — thank God, BEFORE the war! Without it, the Far East and Eastern Siberia were simply doomed!
        Under Nicholas, the population of Primorye grew FIVE TIMES! Up to half a million people — what an amazing pace!
        For comparison, over the next 20 years, it grew by only 350 thousand.
        The Far East and the Amur region were not then at all the unshakable possession of Russia — Japan and China were all shouting at them — all remembered "their lands."
        But through the efforts of the Emperor and his people, they remained in Russia.
      3. +7
        5 March 2018 12: 25
        And under Nicholas and then under the Provisional Government, we stood at the walls of Berlin ????? !!!!!!)))))) And the Bolsheviks overthrew? And what kind of event in Russian history was in 1908 ??? Enlighten the untrained ??? And .... apparently this is yours, a new story ... and something was ... like November 4, 1612 ....))))
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 13: 50
          The First World was lost by the Provisional Government. Recall the results of the summer offensive of 1917, the soldiers simply did not leave the trenches and laughed at the officers who called them to attack.
          And it was not the Bolsheviks who ruined the army, namely the liberals from the Provisional Government, who also endorsed Order No. 1 of the Petrosoviet and the decree on soldier liberties and the abolition of the death penalty, etc.
          This is still Denikin noted that it was the beginning of the end in the army.
      4. +5
        5 March 2018 13: 58
        Nonsense is complete! If we talk about the destruction of the Russian army in the years of 1 MV, then 99% is the merit of liberal slush, only order No. 1 of Kerensky was worth what, when the subordination was canceled, the Bolsheviks are in exile until the summer of 17, who are abroad, they are close there was not, learn history and do not repeat the tales of Svanidze and the Melechins.
      5. +1
        5 March 2018 17: 01
        Two corrections.
        By 1908, Nikolai probably won not a war, but a campaign. The Bolshevik SNK had nothing to lose - everything was lost before him. He had to save what else could be saved.
    2. +5
      5 March 2018 07: 41
      Quote: Sahar Medovich
      Analysis of the rulers of Russia in the 20th century (from some newspaper of the 1990s):
      Nicholas II. He lost all wars - both external and internal, for which we adore the liberal part of our society.
      Stalin. He won all the wars - both external and internal, for which we hate the same part of society.
      The quotes are not accurate, but the meaning is just that.

      Here I do not agree with you.
      Liberal-minded citizens despised Tsar Nicholas II, by the way, these same citizens hated Nicholas I and were afraid of Alexander III
      And about Stalin I agree - he was hated for the fact that he had destroyed all kinds of liberals (including among the party environment), which the last tsar could not do, because of his upbringing, culture, religion, modesty, according to
      rowiness.
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 08: 42
        what the last king could not do, in view of his upbringing, culture, religion, modesty, according
        rowiness.
        But rather - rags.
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 08: 48
          Excuse me, I missed a little moment when the lack of arrogance, respect for the lives of my subjects and the ability to communicate with people without insults and humiliation was considered "rags"?
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 12: 50
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            respect for the lives of their subjects
            -o yes !!!! exceptionally respectful - without trial or investigation (by "evidence") they executed and all, business then ...
            "Military Field Court (Field Military Court) - an extraordinary military judicial body," an exceptional, extraordinary court acting out of the norm criminal law and jurisdiction existing in that state, on the basis of a special provision, when simplified legal proceedings to the extremes and with the cancellation of all guarantees of a normal legal course "
            On August 19 (September 1), 1906, on the initiative of P. A. Stolypin, according to the international law, in accordance with Article 87 of the Basic Laws of the Russian Empire, the “Regulation of the Council of Ministers on military field courts” was adopted to expedite legal proceedings in cases of civilians and military personnel accused of robbery, murder, robbery, assault on military, police and officials and other serious crimes, in cases where there is no need for additional investigation for the evidence of the crime. That is, those captured at the scene of the crime, or whose guilt of committing, or attempted, or preparing a terrorist act (attack on police ranks, patrols, robbery attacks, finding explosive shells, etc.) obvious in the opinion of the administration.
            The hearing was held without the participation of the prosecutor (whose function was taken over by the judges), defender (the defendant had to defend himself) and without defense witnesses behind closed doors, while interrogations of witnesses by the prosecution were allowed (most often police officers acted in their role). The sentence was to be handed down no later than 48 hours and carried out within 24 hours by order of the head of the garrison. Convicts had the right to petition for clemency, but on December 7, 1906, the War Department issued an order “Leave these requests without movement.”"...

            The Stalinists came to this only in 1943 and only with respect to “fascist villains guilty of reprisals and violence against the peaceful Soviet population and captured Red Army soldiers, as well as about spies, traitors to the motherland from among Soviet citizens and their accomplices from the local population”
          2. +3
            5 March 2018 13: 58
            Oh oh Did you not send your dignitaries by mother? Perhaps, or maybe it would be better if I sent, but would it be? And he offended and humiliated the Russian people.
            The fact that after Khodynka, he had fun at the ball and did not cancel the celebration, is it not an insult to the people?
            Or this one is the "master of the Russian land." This is how to understand that people did not live on this earth? And if you lived, then he is the master of these people?
            Thinking of a small landowner.
            There is much more to bring, so you don’t need to sculpt white and fluffy from it.
            Yes, with their dignitaries, the higher nobility, etc. he talked without insult and humiliation, and the people despised the simple.
        2. +7
          5 March 2018 09: 02
          Quote: seal78
          But rather - rags.

          Stalin was a flayer, and they hated him, and liberal citizens fantasized about the rags of the last Russian tsar, and the tsar showed humanity to all this public.
          1. +6
            5 March 2018 14: 00
            Yeah, and also Stalin ate babies for breakfast. Heard already.
            How stupid the anti-Stalinists that they do not understand that with such statements, they only increase Stalin's supporters.
            Try gentlemen ... try.
            1. +2
              5 March 2018 14: 19
              Of course, he didn’t eat babies, they themselves gossip and carry it, Stalin had modest gastronomic tastes, it’s well known - cabbage soup and porridge, and well-known worn boots, as a general supplement.
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              How stupid the anti-Stalinists that they do not understand that with such statements, they only increase Stalin's supporters.

              Fashion passes, fashion will pass on him.
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              2. +2
                6 March 2018 16: 18
                Fashion for justice? Rather, not a mod, but a request. Do not even hope, especially looking at the current outrage and meanness.
  7. +6
    5 March 2018 07: 25
    Word leader cuts the rumor, something absurd, like the natives .....the leader of the Redskins, it’s necessary to call it something else, and not like the agitators and sneaks for the dark crowd came up with at one time.
  8. +6
    5 March 2018 07: 28
    The waitress of the 1203 restaurant in Washington, Eileen Keenan, invites you to a free borsch in honor of the celebration of Stalin's death. March 6, 1953
    1. +1
      5 March 2018 11: 33
      "free borscht" in quotes
      or not free or not soup :)))
  9. +5
    5 March 2018 07: 44
    By your own example ... when you interfere with anything, you will be smeared from head to toe ... but interestingly ... the principle comes into play ... there is so much bad talk about you that I think you are a good person. ..
  10. +9
    5 March 2018 07: 45
    Yes there were people at that time, not like the current tribe ...
  11. +16
    5 March 2018 07: 46
    The article is a set of crazy stamps. Well, what, by grace, can be the "masters of the West" when the Western countries fought each other more than with Russia? Only the clinical patient Kashchenko can call the Dzhugashvilev state a “socially just society,” because there can be no justice in a state that expels people to the bare steppe for their social origin, sets quotas for the killing of their citizens by punitive organs, in which design engineers work in special prisons, and people are desperately scribbling at each other.

    Look at these faces, gentlemen. These are simple Russian schoolchildren. Three of them were killed for ... leaflets on the "undemocratic electoral system." Teenagers. They did not want to overthrow, kill, or harm their homeland. They just wanted people representatives to be honestly elected. What kind of “Russian Empire” is this with a “fair society” if children were killed there for such trifles?
    1. +21
      5 March 2018 08: 25
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Look at these faces, gentlemen. These are simple Russian schoolchildren.

      Susanna Solomonovna Pechuro. long-term activist of the Memorial society.

      Boris Slutsky, b. 1932, student - capital punishment.

      Vladlen Furman, b. 1931, student - capital punishment.

      Yevgeny Gurevich, b. 1931, student - capital punishment.

      Irena Arginskaya, born 1932, a schoolgirl,

      Ida Vinnikova, born 1932, student,

      Felix Warrior, born 1931, student,

      Grigory Mazur, born 1931, student,

      Vladimir Melnikov, b. 1932, student,

      Ekaterina Panfilova, b. 1932, schoolgirl,

      Susanna Pechuro, born 1933, schoolgirl,

      Alla Reif, born 1932, student,

      Maya Ulanovskaya, born 1932, student,

      Inna Elgisser, born in 1930, student - 25 years of forced labor camps, 5 years of defeat in rights with confiscation of all property belonging to them. (There wasn’t one).

      Tamara Rabinovich, b. 1932, student,

      Galina Smirnova, born 1932, student,

      Nina Uflyand, born in 1934, a schoolgirl, - to 10 years of ITL
      On April 25, 1956, on April 25, 1956, we were informed that those of us who were 25 years old received a five-year term after the review, and since we had already spent more, they were released, but not at the end of the term, but according to the Decree on Amnesty for the Summer of 1953 . Those who were initially sentenced to 10 years were rehabilitated. The dead boys received - posthumously! - for 10 years!

      Which of this fact can be concluded?
      You can
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      They did not want to overthrow, kill, or harm their homeland. They just wanted people representatives to be honestly elected.

      Just remember 2012. -white ribbons, Nemtsov, Navalny, for fair elections, we are here power, doesn’t it look like?
      And it is possible and such ... live Stalin for another ten years, we did not have a fifth column subsequently, Bandera, nationalists, Zionists and other evil spirits, rehabilitated after his death. Subsequently, such "schoolchildren" had a hand in the collapse of our country, the loss of a quarter of the territory, 20 million. Russian, half of the industry, while in power, staged a real genocide of the people. when in a year the population was reduced by a million people.
      But the "people's representatives" are again "dishonestly elected" ... Or maybe the point is not in freedom and democracy, but in a completely different matter?
      Could the correct article have been and shot for the case?
      And how to find consensus and a middle ground here? Too cruel? Perhaps, but this is from the standpoint of today's time, isolated from the historical context ... It is unfair, perhaps, again, considering in retrospect the further activities of the "schoolchildren" and the like, the sentence is too humane

      Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSRSusanna Pechuro's charge:
      58-1a. Treason to the Motherland.

      58-8. Terrorist acts directed against representatives of the Soviet government or leaders of revolutionary workers and peasant organizations.

      58-10. Propaganda or agitation calling for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power <...>

      58-11. Organizational activities aimed at preparing or committing crimes provided for in this chapter
      1. +9
        5 March 2018 09: 05
        Quote: Ascetic
        Just remember 2012. -white ribbons, Nemtsov, Navalny, for fair elections, we are here power, doesn’t it look like?

        Not quite. Unlike the supporters of Nemtsov and Navalny, these people did not take anyone to the streets. They did not call for the overthrow of power. They simply demanded a fair choice of people's representatives. Do you think this is a crime?
        Quote: Ascetic
        And it is possible and such ... live Stalin another ten years we did not have

        ... there’s nobody in the country. How many more people would die from the monstrous conditions in the camps and from the bullets of the MGB punitive — God alone knows.
        Quote: Ascetic
        A Article 58 of the RSFSR Criminal Code; Accusation of Susanna Pechuro:
        58-1a. Treason to the Motherland.
        58-8. Terrorist acts directed against representatives of the Soviet government or leaders of revolutionary workers and peasant organizations.
        58-10. Propaganda or agitation calling for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power <...>
        58-11. Organizational activities aimed at preparing or committing crimes provided for in this chapter

        Question: how is the demand for fair elections a betrayal of the motherland or a terrorist act? Not to mention the overthrow of power?
        1. avt
          +14
          5 March 2018 10: 12
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          ... there’s nobody in the country. How many more people would die from the monstrous conditions in the camps and from the bullets of the MGB punitive — God alone knows.

          Leave God alone and go to the Gulag’s archive, it has long been OPEN for familiarization with specific documents back in the 90s, but NOT ONE ,, chronicler "," historian "wringing his hands about the" innocent killed "there in the forms for issuing documents I DIDN’T MAKE IT. Well, in the spirit of Gumilevsky
          God save me! The present intelligentsia is such a spiritual sect. What is characteristic: they don’t know anything, they can’t do anything, they don’t want to think on their own, but they judge everything and completely disagree with dissent.
          sectarians continue to chew gum Solzhenitsenskosvanidzevska chewing gum. Yes, especially cunning from the memorial for the type of grants manually collect names. Even relatives can get acquainted with criminal cases that really came across denunciations, or such political ones like the same true Trotskyist Shalamov, who did not hide his convictions by the way But real intelligence affairs and affairs of work for foreign special services will never get the word.
          1. +5
            5 March 2018 10: 22
            Quote: avt
            peace and go to the archive of the Gulag, it has long been open for familiarization with specific documents back in the 90s

            https://corporatelie.livejournal.com/26863.html
            Read. St. Petersburg graduate student, works in those same archives. Mortality in Soviet camps is at the Dachau level.
            1. avt
              +11
              5 March 2018 13: 00
              [
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Read. St. Petersburg graduate student, works in those same archives. Mortality in Soviet camps is at the Dachau level.

              One must be a complete bastard to compare the system of extermination of the Nazis and the Gulag. And your graduate student in St. Petersburg, adjusting the digital clock in peacetime, in comparison, when the Germans did not turn on the system for the destruction of all untimers in their opinion. But understanding, just in case, he overloaded himself and left the fugitive to himself
              By no means am I trying to expose the German concentration camps better. It is categorically impossible to primitively equate the Stalinist and Nazi concentration camp systems with each other. Integrally, according to preliminary estimates, the Nazi system was at times deadlier than the Gulag. There, mortality sometimes reached 40% -50%,
              But you, as a true intellectual, even get a grasp of this and comprehend the campaign is disgusting.
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              at the dachau level.

              , and then let others grumble. Including your “graduate student”, who’s more deft in his meanness - again from your own link, nothing else from yourself, only a quote from your own link
              Integrally, according to preliminary estimates, the Nazi system was at times deadlier than the Gulag. There, mortality sometimes reached 40% -50%,
              And further, the post-graduate student "gritting his teeth gives
              but the Vischlag of 1933 is completely analogous to the German concentration camps (except for extermination camps)
              Have you read? Well, except for the extermination camps, or rather, BEFORE the plan is included, “Ost" So again for the sect of the Tsarebozhiks - compare like this, in passing about
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Dachau.
              The Gulag can only be an outright scoundrel, or a stubborn sectarian from the “de-Stalinizers,” who needs to be adapted to his own thoughts. But he is by no means an intellectual trying to UNDERSTAND the full extent of the texture that it was under the conditions of that time and that morality. The Pharisees were not given this .
            2. +4
              5 March 2018 14: 10
              And here lies, your Petersburg graduate student lies. Mortality figures are not much higher than natural mortality in those days.
        2. 0
          7 March 2018 01: 25
          Susanna from the memorial, you’re driving such a blizzard, I’m just scaring from Kolyma Susuman mine Bolshevik, you didn’t pull the deadline on the Drummer in the Babi’s camp, but as a gold coin to wash the impact rate with a bat or on Shirokoy in strict mode I had a chance to take off talking I don’t advise you to answer for the chatter would have to
      2. +3
        5 March 2018 10: 12
        "Could the correct article have been and shot for the case?"
        And shocked by some "comrades". I understand there - give you a gun in your hands - you would shoot half the country, for political failure. My grandfather-neighbor lived, the former NKVD-Schnick. He loved to tell how he “shot at the enemies of the people”, with rapture like that. The truth moved towards the age of years .. And now, after such an attitude with his compatriots, and even the youth, there is a desire to make every effort to prevent this from returning to our long-suffering Homeland. Yes, it will not come back - thank God the youth is already growing different - they would not understand why you hate them, and I am very happy about that. For worse there are no those who destroy their own people.
        1. +1
          5 March 2018 13: 23
          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          Yes, it will not come back - thank God the youth is already growing different - they would not understand why you hate them, and I am very happy about that.

          Will not return, for sure, NEVER!
          Such atrocities cannot be repeated ....
        2. +4
          5 March 2018 14: 08
          A simple question, there were no enemies of the people, or rather of the country, at that time? After October 17th, everyone in the world suddenly fell in love with Soviet power?
          I am afraid that young people, when they grow up, will cruelly take revenge on those who are now distorting their lives.
          And then the 37th year will seem grace.
      3. +5
        5 March 2018 14: 05
        Let’s remember Pristavkin. He was also innocently injured. But he himself wrote that they had an organization whose goal was to overthrow the government and one even had a father’s pistol.
        Were you fools? Maybe, but what time was it?
        So for nonsense and paid.
        Who said, the most expensive thing in the world is stupidity. It is very expensive for a person.
        So we did not read the investigation materials for these students, and we judge only by rumors.
        And judging those times from now on is simply stupid.
    2. +14
      5 March 2018 08: 45
      Snot just do not have to smear here, Lieutenant.
      "Circle", "literary"? Out of 16 people? In Moscow! Engaged in politics instead of literature! Who thought them up, taught them? What were the main goals (only about fair elections do not need to be rubbed) of this organization, or for what purposes was it created?
      Organizers-instigators of the wall, the rest, for science, deadlines. What's wrong?
      1. +9
        5 March 2018 09: 12
        Mr. Nitochkin, here the supporters of the USSR and Mr. Dzhugashvili personally say that the USSR was a very powerful and fair state. Then the question is: how could leaflets distributed by schoolchildren and students damage this state? If everything was fine, then what was the threat in them that they began to kill people and send them to camps for huge periods? Could the Bolshevik “elections” have been a farce, and the party bonzes were afraid of mass indignation over these leaflets?
        Quote: Nitochkin
        "Circle", "literary"? Out of 16 people? In Moscow! Engaged in politics instead of literature! TO

        But do you not believe that in Moscow in 1952 16 people could organize a literary circle? But what about “the USSR — the most reading country”? And yes, even if this circle was political and people discussed the problems of their country, without calls for violence and the overthrow of power, is this a crime that needs to be killed? But what about the freedom prescribed in the "Stalinist democratic Constitution of 1936"?
        1. +9
          5 March 2018 09: 50
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Mr. Dzhugashvili

          Comrade ... Comrade Dzhugashvili will be more correct ...
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          how could leaflets distributed by schoolchildren and students damage this state?

          The threat is not in the leaflets, but in those who stand behind them and in their idea to rock the situation inside in the USSR. The Maidan, too, began on social networks and seemed like innocuous chatter ...
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 10: 25
            Quote: raw174
            in those who stand behind them and in their idea to rock the situation inside in the USSR.

            I repeat. There is no court verdict in relation to these “standing behind them”. They were not even meticulous by the MGB investigators. And you got them from somewhere. You are probably better than the investigators know better ...
            1. +5
              5 March 2018 12: 14
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              You are probably better than the investigators know better ...

              I'm just making a logical conclusion. Well, it doesn’t occur to teenagers to engage in such activities, they don’t have enough life experience ...
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              There is no court verdict in relation to these “standing behind them”. They were not even meticulous by the MGB investigators.

              You and I will not be shown the entire work of the state security organs. It could have been party functionaries, who would simply be quietly removed without a court sentence ...
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 13: 04
                Quote: raw174
                I'm just making a logical conclusion. Well, it doesn’t occur to teenagers to engage in such activities, they don’t have enough life experience

                Well, what are you talking about. In the USSR there was a lot of literature describing how "valiant comrades fought for the happiness of the people, bringing the truth with leaflets." We read such books, thought, for example, that the head of state is not elected and decided to fight. Leaflets. Do not underestimate adolescents, they are often no more stupid than adults, and these were also found in WWII as a child. Lack of experience is easily offset by youthful maximalism.
        2. +7
          5 March 2018 09: 53
          Read above, Lieutenant. Ascetic already answered, neither add, nor diminish.
          Adieu, the liberal.
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 10: 34
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Adieu, the liberal.


            You are my dear! I have been and remain a conservative monarchist all my life.
            1. +14
              5 March 2018 11: 15
              Lieutenant Teterin Today, 10:34 ↑
              You are my dear! I have been and remain a conservative monarchist all my life.
              And what of that? How are you different from a liberal? Both you and they equally hate Soviet power, the only power in Russia that was truly popular.
              Both you and they have one and the same goal, the collapse of Russia at any cost. So horseradish radish is not sweeter, all of you are smeared with one world.
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 11: 23
                Mr. Varyag, the people’s power does not exile people to the open field for their social origin. People’s power does not give privileges to party officials. The people's power does not divide the country into "republics" with the right to withdraw from the Union. People’s power does not do much of what genuine people's power does.
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                [
                Both you and they have one and the same goal, the collapse of Russia at any cost.

                My motto has always been "For a united and indivisible Russia." Unlike CPSU party officials who really ruined the country in 1991 along the borders established by Mr. Dzhugashvili.
                1. +6
                  5 March 2018 14: 24
                  I don’t understand why to lie. First - the current "people's power" does not give privileges to party officials?
                  In the USSR, such privileges were not even dreamed of.
                  The salary of a deputy of the Duma is higher than that of a deputy in Germany. Not bad, huh?
                  The second question, Mr. naive monarchist, and that under the monarchs we had popular power and there were no privileges for some classes?
                  What naivete?
                  Monarchy initially implies estate and privileges.
                  What kind of miracle is this, a monarchy without estates and privileges? What kind of beast is such a popular power under the monarchy?
                  And about the clean field, dear, when dispossessed there were three categories of expelled.
                  The first - are sent out of the region. The second, deported within the region. Three - deported within the region, but not to land owned by collective farms.
                  NEVER and no one was sent to the open field and the children of the deportees were not affected.
                  Most of you, opponents of the USSR, operate not with facts, but with fantasies and inventions of “eyewitnesses”.
                  Once again, before World War II, there were a million private farms in agriculture.
                  They didn’t send for not wanting to go to the collective farm, but for resistance, incl. armed.
              2. +4
                5 March 2018 13: 31
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                the only power in Russia that was truly popular.

                This power (like Stalin, by the way) the people NEVER chose anywhere.
                Under "popular" power, the people had no choice or choice.

                Chop it on your nose! hi
            2. +3
              5 March 2018 13: 49
              conservative monarchist.
              then you are an adversary, not only communists, but also presidents, democrats, liberals?
            3. 0
              6 March 2018 18: 22
              Which preservative? Terry?
        3. +2
          5 March 2018 14: 04
          Well, yes, the Maidan in Kiev also began with innocent boys and girls, students, and ended with frank Nazis. Are you so naive, still in a dreamy youthful age?
    3. +13
      5 March 2018 08: 45
      Yes Yes Yes. The "Tiananmen" students, too, "did not want to overthrow anyone, to kill." If the Chinese authorities had not acted with them as it was necessary, where would China be now?
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 09: 15
        It is not known where China would be now, but there would definitely not have been total surveillance of citizens and the lifting of the restriction on the re-election of a state leader.
        And the main requirement of students in Tiananmen was the fight against corruption. Do you think you need to kill for the fight against corruption? Are you a supporter of corruption crimes?
        1. +11
          5 March 2018 09: 57
          "See the root," said K. Prutkov.
          Lieutenant, do not make yourself a naive simpleton. Everyone knows who stood behind these students, naive idealists for the fight against corruption, who were used mostly in the dark. Who and for what purpose.
          1. +5
            5 March 2018 10: 28
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Lieutenant, do not make yourself a naive simpleton. Everyone knows who stood behind these students,

            Firstly, I didn’t drink it on the Brudershaft. Stop poking.
            Secondly, is there evidence that “someone was behind them” or is it a conspiracy theory in the spirit of “witch hunt”?
            1. +9
              5 March 2018 11: 15
              I will not stop. We are not at the court of the Queen of England, so that you will. You can, if it’s more convenient for you.
              Find Old, chew and put in your mouth? Maybe swallow for you? Seek, ye will fool.
              1. +4
                5 March 2018 11: 26
                Quote: Nitochkin
                I will not stop. We are not at the court of the Queen of England, so that you will.

                The absence of an English queen on the forum is a reason to be rude? Yes, you pour water onto Mr. Serebrennikov’s mill with your actions.
                Quote: Nitochkin
                Find Old, chew and put in your mouth?

                The thesis of "standing behind" yours. You prove it. Or do you not at all know how to argue and don’t know how to prove your words?
                1. +7
                  5 March 2018 11: 33
                  Do not invent. The appeal to "you" is not rudeness.
                  I'm not going to prove anything to anyone. You do not believe your right. Do you want to know, also your right. You want to know only what is beneficial to you, even if it is a lie, and it is your right.
                  1. +4
                    5 March 2018 11: 42
                    Quote: Nitochkin
                    Do not invent. The appeal to "you" is not rudeness.

                    To a stranger — is. And all over the world.
                    Quote: Nitochkin
                    You do not believe your right. Do you want to know, also your right.

                    Clear. You have no arguments.
                    1. +5
                      5 March 2018 11: 55
                      On the Internet is not.
                      Arguments are like pearls in the sea. Only the lazy will not find. But forget about the saucer with a blue border.
                      1. +2
                        5 March 2018 13: 05
                        On the Internet — all the more so because you do not have the opportunity to see the person you are talking to.
                        And as for the arguments, I have already expressed myself above.
                      2. +3
                        5 March 2018 14: 26
                        You're right. The evidence is more than enough and written on this topic, a lot.
                    2. 0
                      6 March 2018 18: 24
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      To a stranger — is. And all over the world.

                      Come on ? And in modern English, is there a difference between "you" and "you"?
          2. +1
            5 March 2018 15: 31
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Look at the root, "said K. Prutkov.

            Kozma Prutkov as a person was never when, this is a collective image.
            1. +4
              5 March 2018 16: 02
              What? Well, congratulations, you "discovered" the bike!
              1. +2
                5 March 2018 21: 13
                Quote: Nitochkin
                What? Well, congratulations, you "discovered" the bike!

                Well, you didn’t know that? Agree
                1. +2
                  6 March 2018 02: 19
                  I do not agree. "Fruits of Meditation. Favorites" 2007 The publication is on my favorites shelf in a bookcase.
                  And for reference, the image of Kozma is not collective, but completely fictional.
        2. +7
          5 March 2018 11: 31
          It's funny to hear liberal rhetoric from a conservative monarchist. Type of spit that drove the country into the Middle Ages, but democracy. True, the fact that in the conditions of the Middle Ages it is a little impossible is impossible that we will keep silent, but on the scenery we have democracy, yes. Are you definitely a conservative monarchist? You may not know a little, but it's a little not those who canned cucumbers in the crown.
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 11: 44
            My dear, do you really think that respect for the law and for the value of human life is alien to monarchical and conservative views? If yes, then you are mistaken. Conservatism is based on the recognition of private property, the rule of law and the guarantee of natural human rights, the first of which is the right to life.
            1. +2
              5 March 2018 14: 28
              Especially with an unlimited monarchy, autocracy, which was in Russia until the 17th year. lol
        3. +3
          5 March 2018 13: 11
          Already in the PRC, then corrupt officials shoot us to envy. And the "students" in China on Tiananmen wanted the same thing as the crowd at the White House in August 1991 - "freedom", dough, jeans and a hill. But the Chinese comrades, unlike the GKChP, did not flinch.
        4. 0
          5 March 2018 13: 50
          Are you a supporter of corruption crimes?
          Are you a supporter of Navalny?
        5. +3
          5 March 2018 14: 06
          My God, do you believe in this nonsense? fight against corruption
          this is the beginning, and would end with a demand for a change in the political regime. Are you really naive, or are you just keeping others fools?
          1. 0
            6 March 2018 18: 26
            How can corruption be overcome under capitalism when this is one of its foundations? I would be happy to get rid of capitalism, but I think bulk does not want this at all)
      2. 0
        5 March 2018 23: 39
        Petr Alekseevich Mikhin
        "Gunners, Stalin gave the order!" We were dying to win


        [/ quote] The owner understood the question and in a high pounding voice began to explain to me why ash was here. Naturally, I did not understand. Then he stuck his head out of the window and shouted something loudly. Four children from three to seven years ran into the room. They were all naked, dirty, pot-bellied and smiling. They carefully looked at their father, waiting for why he called them here. The father said something to his sons. They ran to a pile of ash, lay on it from different sides and quickly buried in ashes, leaving only their heads on the surface. His eyes were squinted and they depicted sleeping. Then I realized: ash serves them as a bed.
        In the future, naked Chinese and Chinese women met us both in the field and in the bush, where they worked or grazed cattle. In settlements, the hips of all adult Chinese were covered. And the rich Chinese marched in long silk robes. In the first small settlements that appeared on our way, we were struck by the fact that in all the villages there was a single ax in the entire village. The ax was chained to the outside of a large stump, on which people chopped brought brushwood, firewood and more.
        So our acquaintance with the Chinese happened in August of the forty-fifth year.

        where would China be now? [quote]

        Now China WHERE?
    4. +7
      5 March 2018 08: 49
      These are simple Russian schoolchildren

      Pechuro, Gurevich, Slutsky, Furman - what wonderful русские last name)
      1. +6
        5 March 2018 09: 38
        But what, a person by the name of Slutsky or Gurevich can not be Russian? And even if they were not Russian, then what, could they be killed with a calm soul? What is this primitive anti-Semitism in the spirit of the Nazis?
        1. +2
          5 March 2018 14: 29
          First, did they get shot for their last names? -First distortion.
          Second, have they all been shot? - The second distortion.
        2. 0
          6 March 2018 07: 56
          No anti-Semitism, just observation. They were executed for a felony, what is wrong here?
    5. +8
      5 March 2018 08: 55
      Well, in general, at the time of the arrest, the majority were already 18 years old. Only Pechura was 17. So, they are the next ones. Well, but by the sentence, how much should they give for the preparation of the murder of the chairman of the superpower government? Count on Medvedev this situation. Or the Chinese chairman, or the American (the most-presidential democratic). And it’s even more interesting to learn about the punishment for preparing the assassination of the chairman of the US government THAT TIME.
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 09: 34
        Quote: gavrila2984
        Well, but by the sentence, how much should they give for the preparation of the murder of the chairman of the superpower government?

        Are you serious? Do you think that schoolchildren and students in a country where there was strict control over the circulation of weapons and explosives could seriously plan the murder of a guarded man no worse than Malenkov Dzhugashvili? Do you even understand that this accusation is the same as “Beria — the English spy”?
        1. +8
          5 March 2018 09: 56
          The strictest control? Until now, guys have been digging and rebuilding weapons from the war, and it works! I saw it myself. And in the year 52, it was considered the mountains of nova in the fields and forests.
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 10: 29
            But what about the "Stalinist state of order"? And yes, were the Soviet schoolchildren so stupid that they hoped to kill the strictly guarded Malenkov?
            1. +4
              5 March 2018 14: 32
              And what were geniuses all about? "State of Order"? That is, are you sure that it was possible to put a policeman to every place where the battles were?
              Another juggling. You look like a great expert on them.
            2. +3
              5 March 2018 14: 42
              Order in the country is measured not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them, as one character said. That neutralized. Everything is correct.
        2. +10
          5 March 2018 10: 01
          Lieutenant, are you surely a lieutenant, not a pop gapon?
          If there were forces that Comrade himself Stalin was eliminated in the end, what prevented them from using these teenagers. Even now their tragedy is used by people like you to drive chernukha against comrade. Stalin
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 10: 31
            Quote: Nitochkin
            If there were forces that Comrade himself Stalin was eventually eliminated


            What kind of forces "eliminated" Dzhugashvili if he was "popularly loved"? And what influence did they have if the prosecutor’s office did not pay attention to the far-fetched accusations?
            1. +10
              5 March 2018 11: 25
              The representative of these forces "pounded the shoe" on the podium at the UN assembly. Well, and still engaged in corn at leisure.
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 12: 11
                Quote: Nitochkin
                The representative of these forces "pounded the shoe" on the podium at the UN assembly. Well, and still engaged in corn at leisure.

                As for corn, it was sown all over Russia until the 90s, and Khrushchev was out of business, and the fact that it was planted almost beyond the Arctic Circle was because party workers and collective farm chairmen wanted to serve, as they say, make a fool pray to God .
                1. +3
                  5 March 2018 14: 36
                  True, yours. BUT! Not until the end. First, they forced to plant corn directively and threatened with all sorts of punishments for non-fulfillment and it went from the very top.
                  Below were the performers who did not dare to disobey. But of course, there were enough ready to curry favor.
                  They planted instead of bread, which in the early sixties, almost led to hunger.
                  Of course, because corn was planted even more, BUT not where it did not grow at all and not instead of bread.
                  That is the difference.
            2. +2
              5 March 2018 14: 33
              And again, another distortion. Exactly, master. lol
        3. +4
          5 March 2018 13: 41
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Do you even understand that this accusation is the same as “Beria — the English spy”?

          These “eccentrics” Beria, of course, is NOT a spy, but 18-year-old children are yes, complete and sophisticated “killers and saboteurs” digging up weapons (firing squad), transporting and snarling him (again she is). collecting information about the movements of Malenkov, etc.
          But the eccentrics are punished, they have been taken mind

          These people from
    6. +3
      5 March 2018 09: 03
      These are simple Russian schoolchildren.

      Add: and with "Russian" surnames ... winked
      1. +6
        5 March 2018 09: 36
        Tell me, does the value of human life depend on the surname? I remember that in history there were also figures who divided people into "Aryan" and "non-Aryan" surnames. Nuremberg showed well what this division leads to ...
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 10: 14
          Not ... it just shows the "motivation" of these "victims." In addition, we live in a state with certain laws and are obliged to comply with them and be punished for their violation. Did these “victims” break the law? Was there a consequence? Was the court? Was the verdict? What is "broken"? Or are they on the go? The law is one for all-violated-answer. Alas, these are the realities. At that time everyone considered it harsh precisely because the law was very tough and applied and applied to all categories regardless of age, position and merit, and this is the fundamental difference between that time and the current time of lawlessness and, by the way, of the tsarist and in tsarist times there were “estate orders” that changed the punishment depending on the “blueness of blood” and ranks, and currently the law acts selectively depending on the position and size of the wallet. My grandmother also suffered from the law of the "ears of wheat" - received 5 years with the serving of punishment ..... at her workplace (there were such court decisions), but even she never condemned Stalin, but simply said: "Time was such-severe, if there were no cruel laws there would not be Russia, the Germans would have seized it ... or their own would have destroyed the Diffuse, would have pulled it into "ears of wheat" .... "
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 10: 32
            In fact, their leaflets did not fall under any article of the then Criminal Code.
            1. +9
              5 March 2018 11: 01
              This is what you decided. You are a famous humanist. In general, I am touched by the manner of modern people to judge the acts of their predecessors while sitting in warm apartments, with full refrigerators, etc. The cardinal difference between life and values ​​of the present time from previous times does not allow anyone, I repeat - ANYONE from our time to adequately assess the events of those times. Therefore, I always relate to the understanding and complete perception of those assessments that were given at one time by people who lived then and I am ironically related to modern "experts" in "that" life. A typical example: I personally grew up in a village and am familiar with hard peasant labor and simple rural life, but now my children and grandchildren who grew up in an environment torn off the earth have a completely different mentality - last year we made a small trip as a family along the Trans-Siberian Railway and with us the car broke down in a deserted place. I had to stay with the locals who sheltered us living in a small village. and so my children, who lived all their lives in comfort, received a cultural shock from how these people live — from the fact that they have to walk on wooden walkways so as not to drown in the mud, constantly in rubber boots, carry water, and most importantly go to the stinky toilet on the street. They quietly fucked up with everything and did not understand: how can these people live like this, and even be completely happy? This is to me that the perception of the world and its values ​​of my children is already different from the perception of the world and the values ​​in it of these ordinary people, and you want to give an assessment to a completely “different world” from your bell tower, where absolutely everything was “different” .
              1. +4
                5 March 2018 11: 27
                I'm a lawyer. And I operate with the category “corpus delicti”. The actions of these people do not fall under any composition. In a normal state, people are not killed under far-fetched accusations.
                1. +6
                  5 March 2018 12: 13
                  Firstly, the term "normal countries" is the same mega-numbing phrase as "British scientists." There are no “normal countries” as you think in absolutely any country there are “far-fetched accusations” for the plan, “police and judicial errors” and “innocently convicted”, and in those countries where there is the death penalty and “innocently executed”. The abolition of the death penalty is largely due to the uncertainty in the guilt of the convict. Secondly, I disagree with the lack of corpus delicti; he is, and you know that very well. Thirdly: excessive "severity" of punishment .... yes, it is, but the court decided so. We must not forget that at that time the country waged a fierce struggle against colossal post-war crime, when there were cases when even Heroes of the USSR committed crimes and there was a struggle against the nationalist underground in the Baltic States, Ukraine and was not up to the "almond".
                2. +3
                  5 March 2018 14: 11
                  Ah, lawyer, well then everything is clear, and even for sure. and lawyer, the more immoral the society, the more in demand is your profession, when people live not according to conscience, but according to laws that both write and interpret the "chosen ones". Everything is clear with you now.
                3. +2
                  5 March 2018 14: 40
                  And by what laws do you assess this corpus delicti? According to the current or those that existed at that time? And did you study this criminal case from cover to cover?
              2. +3
                5 March 2018 14: 38
                This "Memorial" decided so, with which the monarchists surprisingly sang.
        2. 0
          5 March 2018 12: 16
          Yes, but you are a Troll.
    7. 0
      5 March 2018 09: 36
      For the happiness of millions, thousands do not mind life. I.V. Stalin.
    8. +9
      5 March 2018 09: 42
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      And only the clinical patient Kashchenko can call the Dzhugashvilev state a “socially fair society”

      Let's look from a different angle. The country is on the verge of a great war, and the Kremlin understands this. Industry is ruined by war and revolution, and the question is acute. Stalin decides to set up industry at an accelerated pace so as not to lose the country, the lives of citizens are put on this altar, we all know the result, the USSR has become one of the strongest powers in the world, defeating the Nazis and all of Europe ... Tough, sometimes cruel, but the end justifies the means.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      These are simple Russian schoolchildren.

      Like a simple Russian schoolboy in the Reichstag, like ordinary cadets in a thong and with a banana in their mouth ... They are children !!!
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Three of them were killed for ... leaflets on the "undemocratic electoral system." Teenagers. They did not want to overthrow, kill, or harm their homeland. They just wanted people representatives to be honestly elected.

      Do you seriously believe that adults, dissatisfied with the growing power of the USSR, did not stand behind them? Do you seriously consider them independent in this work? NO! children - a shout in the hands of those who, in difficult years, in a storm, wanted to rock the USSR boat! This is "piled on" of that time, with which they acted harshly, but fairly.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      if children were killed there for such trifles?

      These are not trifles ...
      PS: my grandfather got into the labor army under Stalin, escaped and, according to other people's documents, called up for the fleet, where he served as a sailor for more than 5 years, this is to say that you do not need to say that: “if you had relatives among the victims of the regime, you I would say differently ... " Were!
      1. +4
        5 March 2018 10: 10
        Quote: raw174
        Let's look from a different angle. The country is on the verge of a great war, and the Kremlin understands this. Industry is ruined by war and revolution, and the question is acute.

        And how did denunciations and exile of people into a bare field help to develop industry before the war?
        Quote: raw174
        Like a simple Russian schoolboy in the Reichstag, like ordinary cadets in a thong and with a banana in their mouth ... They are children !!!

        Do you also want to shoot them and send them to camps for 25 years? Schoolchildren with bananas pose such a huge threat to the state that they need to be killed? Understand that their act is disgusting, but in a normal society this action would be met with contempt and forgotten in a couple of days.

        Quote: raw174
        Do you seriously believe that adults, dissatisfied with the growing power of the USSR, did not stand behind them? You seriously consider them independent in this work.

        Judging by the fact that not a single adult was convicted with them — these "standing behind them" simply were not.
        Quote: raw174
        children - a shout in the hands of those who, in difficult years, in a storm, wanted to rock the USSR boat!

        How could meeting the demand for fair elections rock a boat? In a country closed to the outside world? Well, if the authorities had gone to meet them — Western propaganda would have lost one more trump card, in response to all these schoolchildren they would have shown as an example “socialist democracy and equality”. Why kill?
        Quote: raw174
        if you had relatives among the victims of the regime, you would say differently ... ". There were!

        Stockholm syndrome is a terrible thing ... hi
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 10: 56
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Schoolchildren with bananas pose such a huge threat to the state that they need to be killed?


          You pick up the gentlemen of the white bastards, sthe motive - they are children.
          And what the kids do in Ukraine.
        2. +5
          5 March 2018 12: 34
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          And how did denunciations and exile of people into a bare field help to develop industry before the war?

          Well, for example, to remove from the cities the unreliable and the Balamutes, who could sow excitement and dissent, which in turn can reduce the enthusiasm of workers and the pace of development ...
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Do you also want to shoot them and send them to camps for 25 years?

          No, now the times are not the same, the society has become too liberal, expulsion would now have come in handy, with a note in the case: "unreliable" ...
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          How could meeting the demand for fair elections rock a boat?

          Meaning? A waste of time and money, there was no time for democratic pink snot, it was necessary to work.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Why kill?

          So that it would be disgraceful for others to do stupid things ...
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 14: 49
            They didn’t send anyone to the open field. These are liberal horror movies that had nothing to do with reality.
            No one was killed. A death sentence by a court sentence is not a murder.
        3. +3
          5 March 2018 14: 47
          Interesting. And who decided that the election was "dishonest"? They corresponded to the electoral law that was at that time, which means they were LEGAL, so these students opposed the law.
          And I don’t think that they themselves came up with the idea that these elections were dishonest.
          Someone threw this idea to them. And what does the election law have to do with literature?
          In general, there is not so simple, if the members of the "literary" circle suddenly became involved in politics.
        4. 0
          6 March 2018 08: 07
          Some kind of worthless lawyer (if true, of course). You don’t notice the contradictions in your own chatter. Either “they are children,” or “demands for fair elections.” What can children understand about the real situation in the country and about the elections, in particular, in order to “demand” something there?
    9. +7
      5 March 2018 10: 27
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Look at these faces, gentlemen. These are simple Russian schoolchildren

      I looked at these faces of ordinary Russian schoolchildren. And he was surprised to find that for a start they are not Russian at all. Well, that’s okay, although this is already a distortion and an attempt to attract not at all the emotions that should arise when referring to the original source.
      More interesting. Why are there such schoolchildren of such genius that they could discover about elections or democracy? No, schoolchildren are different, but we will be objective, at that age the brains of the average type representative of the homo species are not enough to form an objective picture of the world. Well again, okay, move on. Despite the dry and clearly ostentatious lines of the official protocols about "enemy activity," we still see that the students were not just dissatisfied with the electoral system in the USSR (which, by the way, was then many times more popular in the country than now - for example, one of my relatives was a deputy , a school teacher - oligarchs, prostitutes and criminals then in deputies was not found in principle). The students were obviously plotting something more substantial.
      https://ru.openlist.wiki/Гуревич_Евгений_Зиновьев
      ich_ (1931)
      http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/
      69222
      Apparently they wanted to overthrow how. It is clear that these intentions were expressed by them only in the form of a draft, and the KGB untwisted them in full - as if they were already ready. The KGB can be understood, they need reporting, disclosure. 1951 the year when they were shot, by the way, was one of the most humane - according to the 58th VMN, only 475 people received it. A year earlier, in 1950, there were no executions at all - there was a moratorium.
      Have you been cruelly treated? Yes, cruel. I’m generally against VMN in all its manifestations, but already students ... But, in principle, it is clear that these Jewish schoolchildren themselves incurred problems on their own head. Those. as if both sides were white and fluffy. Is this possible abroad? Still, in the United States in those same years for communism one could just as easily sit on the electric high chair, but who cares when the "mustachioed" sight?
      In this regard, I again have an aversion to trying to once again show the faces of poor students to break a tear from a layman and make him hate the evil deity of Stalin. Well, yes, yes, there were mistakes, there were distortions, there was cruelty. Well, is that what Stalin’s invention was? He solved his super-task of leading the country to the lead - he cruelly decided, he spared no one, neither himself, nor others. Those who interfered were destroyed. Such a controversial leader was.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 10: 53
        Tell me, did you read your own link? Where the interrogation protocol is. Do you seriously believe that the interrogated responded with the phrases “we assembled an enemy group and slandered anti-Soviet”? It’s the office of investigators. These phrases are written in by the hand of the interrogator, how can you not understand this?
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 11: 00
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Do you seriously believe that the interrogated responded with the phrases “we assembled an enemy group and slandered anti-Soviet”? It’s the office of investigators. These phrases are written in by the hand of the interrogator, how can you not understand this?

          I wrote:
          Despite the dry and clearly ostentatious lines of official protocols about "enemy activity" we still see that the students were not just dissatisfied with the electoral system in the USSR

          Of course I understand. But the content is still clear that it was not only dissatisfaction with the electoral system that bothered them. Even adjusted for the fact that much of the protocol was drawn by the investigators to the ears. Well this is obvious.

          And I do not condone the cruelty of a sentence or repression.
        2. +3
          5 March 2018 11: 56
          Lieutenant, good afternoon. I do not even want to delve into the details of the dispute. Almost no one argues with you here - they are convicting! The moment with labeling is indicative!) If you have a different point of view from fans of a bright communist future, then you are a liberal! And no matter how much you explain to them your rejection of liberalism, how much you say that you are a conservative, that you are a monarchist, they do not care at all! LIBERAL and EVERYTHING! Are you laughing? They’ll delve into such details yet ?! Do you disagree with Marxism-Leninism ?! Do you disagree with the repressions ?! You do not admire the leader of the peoples?!?! So you, Lieutenant, are not a liberal! Contra you with all the ensuing consequences!))) You do not argue with the Communists in fact the period of the late USSR! These are the neo-Bolsheviks! They don’t go into details.
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 13: 09
            Good afternoon, dear Oper! Thank you for your feedback, I have already managed to understand the essence of neo-Bolshevism for a long time from my own experience. This is not a political platform, but rather a quasi-religious sect, violently exposing all those who disagree with its tenets. It is a pity for people, but I still do not lose hope to reason at least some of these sectarians or sympathizers with them.
          2. +2
            5 March 2018 13: 49
            Quote: Oper
            I do not even want to delve into the details of the dispute. Almost no one argues with you here - they are convicting! The moment with hanging the tags is indicative!)

            Hello Oper!
            These are not neo-Bolsheviks, but very, very OLD Bolsheviks! lol
            People from the forever disappeared past, who did not read anything after 1985.
            Those. illiterate and dense.

            How many times did he offer them to be judged by a triple or deuce (that is, even without them) -like at their favorite time, they DO NOT want to! lol
          3. +4
            5 March 2018 14: 52
            You are well done. Well distorted.
          4. +1
            6 March 2018 06: 33
            Quote: Oper
            Almost no one argues with you here - they are convicting! The moment with labeling is indicative!) If you have a different point of view from fans of a bright communist future, then you are a liberal!

            Quote: Oper
            These are the neo-Bolsheviks! They don’t go into details.

            Well, you distort too ... For example, by age I don’t fit the bearer of communist ideals, I was born at sunset of the USSR ... But I don’t like when our common history is distorted and all sins are hung on strict and tough leaders, dipping them along the way into the blood to the ears. We live in a different time, we have other concepts. The very structure of the Soviet state could not stand it and everything fell apart, now people live really better than in the USSR, but it is not allowed to blacken people who have made a huge contribution to the development of our country!
            1. 0
              6 March 2018 10: 14
              Quote: raw174
              but blackening people who have made a huge contribution to the development of our country is not allowed!

              Just in case, I want to inform you that in the USSR there was always a “stove” of 1913. And before this “stove” the living standards of the population of the USSR have never increased. That was such a "development".
              1. +1
                6 March 2018 14: 26
                Quote: wer2
                And before this "stove" the living standards of the population of the USSR did not grow even once. That was such a "development".

                We are discussing here not a system or system, but a specific person. The activities of Stalin at his post can be evaluated as follows: a year before his rise to power (1923) and the year of his departure (1953).
                1. 0
                  8 March 2018 22: 53
                  Quote: raw174
                  the year before he came to power (1923)

                  Then, already in 1926, Dzhugashvili finally came to power in December 1927.
                  The people died during this time, do not count.
                  three famines of the 30s and two 40s.
                  Mass executions of the late 30s.
                  42 million (of the 205 million pre-war population) of direct losses only during WW2.
                  I think about a third of the population Dzhugashvili put under a knife. Only in 1941-45, 20%.
        3. +9
          5 March 2018 13: 39
          Lieutenant Teterin, calm down, your position in Stalin’s hatred is clear after two or three arguments. You are against state policy under Stalin, and we are for such a policy. There were excesses, they were condemned publicly and everything must be done so that they would not be repeated. Well, and who "burn in hell" will decide without us. Enough arguments for my life to answer before .... Yes
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 13: 44
            I wonder if you, how General Turko would have knocked out all his teeth during interrogation and broke several ribs, what would you say about the “excesses”?
            1. +8
              5 March 2018 13: 57
              I say that torture, whether it be the dungeons of the NKVD, the Gestapo, Guantanamo, is bad. But, you are again in a circle.
        4. +2
          5 March 2018 14: 15
          And you were present at interrogations, and you know for sure that these phrases were written “by the hand of the interrogator”, a gift of the great insightful analyst?
    10. +2
      5 March 2018 13: 01
      and how German schoolchildren regretted the "white rose" !! I wonder what the commentators on these children will say?
    11. +5
      5 March 2018 13: 02
      And the boy Klaus from Novy Urengoy also did not overthrow and kill anyone, but the nobleman did harm to his homeland by spitting on the graves of his ancestors. But under Stalin, the Klaus boys multiplied by 0 before they even managed to do serious harm.
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 13: 15
        and what did the claus boy say? read and where did he spat in his speech?
        what did you say. that under Stalin they killed children?
        I understand that you will not mind if you and your son, following the legacy of Stalin multiplied by zero?
        Quote: zoolu350
        even before they had time to do serious harm.
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 13: 27
          The whole speech of the boy Klaus is a delicious spit on the graves of his ancestors, especially how the fascist described by him “suffered” destroying Soviet people from Brest to Stalingrad. And children by age and not so children. Well, if I become the cause of serious problems for my people, then there is a way for me. I will not mind if you are multiplied by 0, moreover, I will provide assistance in this archaeological business.
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 13: 46
            Quote: zoolu350
            Well, if I become the cause of serious problems for my people, then there is a way for me.


            Interestingly, if you really faced a firing squad or near the gallows, would you be able to repeat these words ...?
            1. +5
              5 March 2018 13: 51
              Before delivering a platoon of bulkhrusts, it is hard to make speeches. Of course, I wanted the last grenade to be with me at this time, but if it’s not there, then at least lastly grab one of you in the throat.
              1. +1
                5 March 2018 14: 17
                I ask once again where in Kolya’s speech spitting on the graves of the pedagogues? and what does the whole speech of Kolya’s boy mean?
                I explain the speech for you. roughly speaking, his speech is a call for peace, you can argue, you can agree or not, but he has his right to an opinion! (For example, I do not agree with him in everything) !.
                You see the difference between the Stalinist times and the present. Kolya and you can talk without fear of the consequences. But if Putin adopted the Stalinist methods, then for what you say, you can safely be ranked as an enemy of the people. because you are a serious problem for the people! stop him from developing and going into the bright future capitalist !!!,
                I wonder why the Stalinists have such an indefatigable desire to blow up. to be bitten. kill the dissent. why do those whom they call liberals bakeries this not? here we draw conclusions huizhu
                1. 0
                  5 March 2018 14: 44
                  He was born on January 17, 1922 in a large family. George went to the front with the rank of corporal and fought as an air defense soldier in the Battle of Stalingrad in 1942-1943. Georg was one of the 250 thousand German soldiers who were surrounded by the Soviet army in the so-called Soviet cauldron. After the cessation of fighting, he ended up in a prisoner of war camp. Only 6 thousand of these prisoners of war returned home, and George was not among them.

                  For a long time, the relatives of the German soldier considered him missing. Only last year, the Georg family received information from the German People’s Union for the Care of War Graves that a soldier died from harsh conditions of captivity on March 17, 1943 in a prison camp in Beketovka. Perhaps he was buried among 2006 soldiers near this camp.

                  The story of Georg and the work on the project touched me and prompted me to visit the burial site near the city of Kopeisk. This extremely upset me, because I saw the graves of innocently dead people, among whom many wanted to live peacefully and did not want to fight. They experienced incredible difficulties during the war, which my great-grandfather, a participant in the war who was the commander of the rifle company, told me about. He fought not for long, as he was seriously wounded.
                  Here is the call for peace and spit.
                  And I and you are not on your way to your bright capitalist future, my road to socialism.
              2. +3
                5 March 2018 14: 19
                And before "your" firing squad? Of the truly loyal Marxist communists who consider you an "Anglo-Japanese-Polish spy-Trotskyist"?
            2. +2
              5 March 2018 14: 15
              Yes, just like that - it looks very much like a sect! Why did I say about the communists of the late USSR, well, here actually people had a need and had no choice !. If you want to achieve something, join the party. So people of various professions entered, who of course were not thinking about communism and the world revolution! Yes, I have never met people who would answer the question of what you are doing - I’m building communism! And this does not mean that they did not love their homeland and were not patriots! To tell the truth, to refuse if you were put forward as a candidate for membership in the CPSU, not everyone would dare ... It was so. For the most part, these were and are completely normal people who, together with non-party people, built factories, roads, housing, cities, a country, and not communism! Putin said very correctly - the one who does not regret the collapse of the Union does not have a heart! Anyone who wants to recreate it in its original form does not have a head! Neo-Bolsheviks again leave no choice for people! You are not with us, you criticize certain aspects in the USSR, you do not consider the Bolsheviks to be Russian Communists, you do not spat on the history of your country until 1917, you do not insult the tsar?!?!?!?! You are an enemy and a liberal! All! The conversation is over! And you about conservatism and monarchism ...) Yes, they do not care! Contra and the point!
              And maybe you're right. If you succeed in convincing at least one person from their environment (there are, after all, those who are mistaken) just to calmly turn to historical documents and draw your own conclusion without ideological dogmas like - and Lenin has illuminated the great path for us, then this is already a big deal! In any case, I sincerely wish you good luck!)
              1. 0
                6 March 2018 18: 36
                Well, why so? They calmly refused and without any consequences.
              2. 0
                6 March 2018 21: 21
                Quote: Oper
                to turn to historical documents and draw a conclusion without ideological dogmas of the type — and Lenin dawned on us a great path

                Well, where did he get naughty? In the ass or what?
                Such nonsense is that reading is sickening.
                Ulyanov graduated from the NEP. And the NEP is a typical feudal method of managing. Those. The Ulyanov-orator was different from Nicholas the neo-orator only in that under the autocracy there was a theocratic society, and under Ulyanov, it was secular. And then, starting in December 1927, Dzhugashvili “corrected” all this.
                Those. Ulyanov’s regime did not differ fundamentally from the regime of Nicholas. And the economic structure did not differ at all. And where Ulyanov something there dawned "know" probably only those scoops that are completely uneducated.
                And certainly what Ulyanov has nothing to do with is Dzhugashvilevsky "socialism".
    12. 0
      5 March 2018 20: 28
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Russian schoolchildren.

      PECHUR, GUREVICH, SLUTSKY, FURMAN simple RUSSIAN last names.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Look at these faces, gentlemen.

      "The Lord is all in Paris" (c)
  12. +8
    5 March 2018 07: 49
    Stalin was a real people's leader

    What kind of people?
    Why hate Stalin

    Maybe because on his hands the blood of millions of Russian people and other Russian people who have not forgotten their relationship, remember this?
    1. +9
      5 March 2018 08: 53
      Millions? Just millions? But what about tens and hundreds? Indeed, hundreds of millions of accounts are already underway. And all personally comrade Stalin, do it yourself.
      1. +6
        5 March 2018 09: 05
        According to openly accessible sources, the net demographic losses of Russia from the criminal actions of the Bolsheviks are about 33 million people (the population of a large European country) - and this does not include WWII:
        CIVIL WAR - 12,5 million
        12,5 million lost population. (Erlikhman V.V. Population Losses in the 20th Century: Reference Book - M.: Russian Panorama Publishing House, 2004)
        Of these, 2,5 million killed combatants,
        2 million killed as a result of terror. The ratio of victims of red and white terror 4: 1
        2 million emigrated.
        6 million starvation and epidemics.
        These figures may be disputed, but they should be challenged by Mr. Erlichmann.
        HUNGER - 13,5 million
        1921-22. The Soviet Central Statistical Bureau determined the population deficit for the period from 1920 to 1922. equal to 5,1 million people.
        1932-1933. A statement by the State Duma “In Memory of the Victims of the Famine of 30's on the Territory of the USSR” names 7 of millions of dead. Demographics estimates from 2,5 to 8 million
        1946-47. Super mortality in 1946 amounted to 800 thousand people. Demographics estimate hunger victims from 1 to 1,5 million
        DISCLOSURE - 0,7 MILLION
        4 million exiled. 600 thousand dead in places of exile (conservative estimate of V.N. Zemskov). 90 thousand dead on the way.
        TERROR - 2,5 million people (minimum rating)
        1930-1953 - arrests on political articles - 3,8 million people, executions - 786 thousand people.
        1930-1953 - death in 1,7 places of detention of million people.
        Maximum rating A.G. Vishnevsky repressive losses reaches 6 million people.
        The total number of people who went through prisons, camps and special settlements is estimated at 25 million people, in fact every fourth citizen of working age.

        https://tsargrad.tv/articles/vral-li-solzhenicyn-
        o-100-millionah-repressirovannyh_97537
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 09: 36
          Something somehow a little for
          publicly available sources
          .
          Badly considered. We need to believe Solzhenitsyn - he has 60 million people. Already more like the truth.
          And some source wrote about 100 million losses. Here it is true.
          The whole country was in the Gulag, one guarded and the other worked.
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 13: 55
            Quote: Severomor
            Badly considered. We need to believe Solzhenitsyn - he has 60 million people

            Archives do not need to SECRET and there would be no discrepancies.
            What, was it scary to OPEN their people?
            According to the Bolshevik "truth" -There was not a famine 32-33, 47-48 with cannibalism and carnivore and millions of victims, not 680 thousand executed, or millions of exiled NI-CHE-GO (see newspapers of those years). Everything was type top!
          2. +4
            5 March 2018 14: 56
            Funny 2004, the Duma said something there. Just the time of complete domination of the liberal point of view.
            It turns out that in the Civil War only the Reds participated and in this war they exclusively destroyed the civilian population.
            Especially amused here is this - "The ratio of victims of red and white terror is 4: 1."
            Unless of course it can be called funny. Here are 4 to 1 and all quietly and believe.
        2. +1
          5 March 2018 09: 40
          Well, of course .... ERLICHMAN is just the same trustworthy)) That's about them that he said that his name would be slandered.
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 09: 49
            If you have other numbers other than those on Wikipedia, please provide.
            1. avt
              +7
              5 March 2018 10: 16
              Quote: Cheerful
              If you have other numbers other than those on Wikipedia, please provide.

              If you really take Wikipedia for God's revelation, then there are two ways — to study, to study, and once again — to study, or to a psychiatrist.
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 10: 19
                My dear, I do not like the information on the wiki - forward and to the revisions, with links to sources.
                1. avt
                  +5
                  5 March 2018 12: 35
                  Quote: Cheerful
                  My dear, I do not like the information on the wiki - forward and to the revisions, with links to sources.

                  My training, mitrophanushek’s, is paid. You don’t know how to type anything on the topic with the search engine? You read from the fact that Gugel threw only the line -Wikipedia? I’m not a practicing psychiatrist, I won’t take up treatment - it's a matter of judgment.
                  1. +5
                    5 March 2018 12: 38
                    And should? No. So go to hell. I’m not going to peck on the demagogic hook "and you prove", there are more interesting things to do.
                    1. avt
                      +6
                      5 March 2018 13: 10
                      Quote: Cheerful
                      So go to hell.

                      Spank on a fascinating sexual journey to the genetals of both sexes and your thoughts
                      Quote: Cheerful
                      On the demagogic hook "and you prove it"


                      Quote: Cheerful
                      My dear, I do not like the information on the wiki - forward and to the revisions, with links to sources.

                      Present to yourself. And I have already fallen in love with such hamsters enough to have mitorofanushek
                      Quote: Cheerful
                      I'm not going to peck, there are more interesting things to do.

                      here to hook.
        3. +6
          5 March 2018 09: 51
          And did Comrade Stalin personally organize all this? Especially to kill more in the country that he led. And in what year did he fully become a full-fledged head of state, pushing the Trotskyites-living swallows from the helm?
          And whose civil war is it? Red terror, you say. "Red" terrorists are known by name: Trotsky, Khrushchev, "the great commander of all times and peoples Tukhachevsky", etc. And here comrade Stalin?
          No need to bring everything together. One feels a liberal manner.
          1. +5
            5 March 2018 10: 10
            So, you know, you can begin to justify Hitler.
            Crimes committed by the organization extend to all its members, and first of all responsibility for them lies with the leaders of the relevant organizations ..
            1. +6
              5 March 2018 11: 01
              From slam, already Hitler dragged.
              Teach the materiel, than and when led Comrade. Stalin. Directly over the years, starting with the February bourgeois revolution.
              1. +3
                5 March 2018 14: 59
                Do not argue, the cleaning lady, who washed the floors in the Central Committee building, is also guilty of crimes, because she is a "member of the organization."
                1. +1
                  6 March 2018 10: 53
                  Naturally, she washed the blood from the floor there, laughing viciously.
        4. +2
          5 March 2018 12: 51
          Quote: Cheerful
          and this excluding WWII

          And why, without taking into account?
          Add 23 million civilians and 19 million military. And yet, consider, so correctly assume, 11 million unborn in 4 years. Total 53 million losses. Here is the real result of the participation of the USSR in WW2. Despite the fact that before the war, about 205 million people lived in the USSR.
        5. +7
          5 March 2018 13: 00
          CIVIL WAR - 12,5 million


          Did her Bolsheviks begin? Or maybe the Bolsheviks brought the state to it?

          4 million exiled. 600 thousand dead in places of exile (conservative estimate of V.N. Zemskov). 90 thousand dead on the way.


          This is just a lie, because 1.2-1.3 million were dispossessed, who died well if there are 10 percentages, much more from the link willfully returned.

          TERROR - 2,5 million people (minimum rating)


          You either do not understand what you are carrying, or you deliberately lie. Mortality in places of detention is always and will be, during the war years, for obvious reasons was high. It has nothing to do with the regime at all, someone who was not particularly healthy thundered into the zone and died, someone not young, someone there was slaughtered by the same criminals.

          Shot a little less, but who shot? Personally, Stalin, or after all, when the NKVD in the 37 th flew off the coils, after Tukhachevsky’s conspiracy, that Beria had to pacify his volume, those who wrote denunciations to a neighbor?

          What is characteristic of mass repressions almost always comes after unsuccessful conspiracies, the last example is Turkey, where thousands began to plant after the mutiny, we do not even consider any layoffs due to “unreliability”. And there is no doubt that half was hurt for nothing, personal accounts were reduced, and competitors were disposed of.

          In general, you do not understand the question, do not write nonsense, you will not be disgraced.
          1. +1
            5 March 2018 16: 00
            Quote: EvilLion
            Did her Bolsheviks begin?

            And who else? It was the Bolsheviks who committed the coup on October 17, January 18, of course. The healthy forces of society opposed the coup.
            1. +2
              6 March 2018 10: 59
              Hello there. Do not know the stories at all? The putschists are the so-called "interim government" that overthrew the legitimate authority. But the Bolsheviks then saved the country.
              1. 0
                6 March 2018 14: 17
                Quote: seal78
                Do not know the stories at all?

                I know you much better.
                Quote: seal78
                The putschists are the so-called "interim government" that overthrew the legitimate authority.

                The interim government, these are revolutionaries. They received power from imp. Michael peacefully (the revolution was bloodless). And they were absolutely legitimate until January 1918. From this, this government was called the Provisional.
                Quote: seal78
                But the Bolsheviks then saved the country.

                God forbid in the future from such "saviors". It was after their coup that the country fell apart.
                1. +3
                  6 March 2018 16: 39
                  The first one. Michael could not transfer power to anyone, because he was ANYONE.
                  Did he take power after the abdication of Nicholas in his favor? NO!
                  So on what basis, a person not endowed with authority, transferred the supreme power in Russia to the Provisional Government?
                  Do not disgrace such utter stupidity.
                  Nicholas also did not transfer power to the Provisional Government.
                  According to the imperial family law, he did not have the right to transfer power to any organization.
                  ONLY a member of the imperial family.
                  So your Provisional Government, usurpers and impostors, and it is THEY who started the Civil War, what is the Kornilov rebellion and the shooting of the summer demonstration of the 17th year, if not the Civil War?
                  Wow, "bloodless." Blood poured all over the country, is the shooting of officers in the summer of the 17th in Kronstadt “bloodless”?
                  No sweetheart, it was the Provisional Government that opened the Pandora's Box and unleashed the Civil War.
                  ILLEGAL provisional government, a government of impostors and usurpers.
                  No wonder Kolchak shot some of these impostors.
                  You do not know the story. Fact!
                2. 0
                  6 March 2018 17: 45
                  The putsch is the overthrow of legitimate authority. The "Provisional Government" was not such. So do not blizzard here.
                  1. 0
                    6 March 2018 21: 23
                    Quote: seal78
                    The putsch is the overthrow of legitimate authority. The "Provisional Government" was not such.

                    Learn the story, son.
        6. +3
          5 March 2018 21: 27
          Quote: Cheerful
          According to openly accessible sources, the net demographic losses of Russia from the criminal actions of the Bolsheviks are about 33 million people (the population of a large European country) - and this does not include WWII:

          I have already seen the numbers you quoted. Do you know where? On a German leaflet calling for surrender to the soldiers of the Red Army. You give the enemy information as evidence of the crimes of the Bolsheviks. Who are you after that?
      2. 0
        6 March 2018 10: 48
        Well, why are you downplaying something? For a long time already everyone knows that we are talking about hundreds of billions.
    2. +5
      5 March 2018 09: 58
      Quote: Cheerful
      What kind of people?

      For the sake of the Soviet state, it will be more correct. I think so Yes ...
      Quote: Cheerful
      Maybe because on his hands the blood of millions of Russian people and other Russian people who have not forgotten their relationship, remember this?

      Then they should remember about the achievements of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin and the victory in the Second World War and the restoration of the country after, as an apotheosis. Stalin is worthy of respect as a statesman and patriot. Yes, the methods are sometimes controversial, but the goals achieved with him justified the means.
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 12: 56
        Quote: raw174
        For the sake of the Soviet state, it will be more correct.

        The Soviet state, in fact, died in December 1927. Then there was the "socialist state." These are 2 different devices of a society. Despite this, the "socialist state" continued to call itself Soviet. Which really was not true.
        Quote: raw174
        Then they should remember about the achievements of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin and the victory in the Second World War and the restoration of the country after, as an apotheosis. Stalin is worthy of respect as a statesman and patriot.

        That's nonsense.
        Quote: raw174
        Yes, the methods are sometimes controversial,

        Indeed, to shoot people in hundreds of thousands without trial, these are just “controversial methods”.
        Quote: raw174
        but the goals achieved with him, justified the means.

        Dzhugashvili’s goal was one, to maintain a regime of personal power. At any cost. And he reached her.
        Do you like her? It's your problem. But after that, in my opinion, it’s difficult to call you a decent person.
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 13: 48
          Quote: wer2
          The Soviet state, in fact, died in December 1927. Then there was the "socialist state"

          This is from the field of casuistry.
          Quote: wer2
          That's nonsense.

          What exactly is nonsense? Was there no achievement under Stalin or was it not under his direct control that they defeated or restored the country in the Second World War?
          Quote: wer2
          Indeed, to shoot people in hundreds of thousands without trial, these are just “controversial methods”.

          Well, wait, now many require execution for embezzlers and corrupt officials ... How do you feel about this idea? And where did you get that without a trial? It seems to me that each shot has his own daddy ...
          Quote: wer2
          Dzhugashvili’s goal was one, to maintain a regime of personal power. At any cost.

          Well, then why was industrialization necessary? Why develop industry? It would be simpler to lower everything to the level of a banana republic and military dictatorship. Why did you have to sacrifice a son? What gave him power? What legacy did he leave for his children? You are wrong, I think so.
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 14: 53
            Quote: raw174
            There were no achievements under Stalin

            Millions of starvation deaths cannibalism and carcassunprecedented in Russia is never an “achievement”, yes.
            Quote: raw174
            not under his direct control in WWII won

            And an unprecedented defeat in the world 41-42gg with whom was it?
            Quote: raw174
            didn’t they restore the country with him?

            Under him, for the Russian account, the recent killers-Germans, Hungarians and Romanians were restored
            Quote: raw174
            It seems to me that each shot has his own daddy ...

            Those. A person can be shot by passing a sentence WITHOUT his presence and the right to defense? MYSELF-agree
            Quote: raw174
            Well, then why was industrialization necessary? Why develop industry?

            NOBODY EGT SO requested to carry out this and did not instruct. Other countries were built and developed WITHOUT this, and live!
            Quote: raw174
            Why did you have to sacrifice a son?

            WHERE did he donate to him?
            Quote: raw174
            What gave him power?

            The fulfillment of all that he wants: to realize his fantasies and the satisfaction of his pride and ambition.
            1. +4
              6 March 2018 07: 01
              Quote: Olgovich
              And an unprecedented defeat in the world 41-42gg with whom was it?

              They pulled out a piece of history and consider yourself right? No, let's look at the results of the war, and not part of it ... and about the “unprecedented defeat in the world”, it seems you have not heard about the defense of France)))
              Quote: Olgovich
              Under him, for the Russian account, the recent killers-Germans, Hungarians and Romanians were restored

              Troops were deployed in Germany on an ongoing basis, crushing the whole of Europe under themselves. Another thing is that then all profuca ...
              Quote: Olgovich
              A person can be shot by passing a sentence WITHOUT his presence and the right to defense?

              Wartime, post-war, when the state must protect itself, because it is the most vulnerable during this period.
              Quote: Olgovich
              MYSELF-agree

              Nobody wants to punish themselves, even maniacs believe that they are being punished unfairly. Incorrect question.
              Quote: Olgovich
              NOBODY EGT SO requested to carry out this and did not instruct.

              Who should have entrusted the supreme? what are you saying! Where has industry developed at such a pace?
              Quote: Olgovich
              WHERE did he donate to him?

              Old legends from library folios say that in the fields of the Second World War ...
              1. +1
                6 March 2018 10: 27
                Quote: raw174
                No, let's look at the outcome of the war,

                Let's. 42 million dead. Of the 20 5 million pre-war population of the USSR. Tens of millions of disabled people. 11 million unborn. The European part of the country is in ruins.
                What did you get? One of the four occupation zones. And the East European Holodrons around their neck.
                Quote: raw174
                it seems you have not heard about the defense of France)))

                France 2MV did well.
                A quarter of a million soldiers are killed. Several tens of thousands were injured. No special damage. Also received one of the four occupation zones.
                Quote: raw174
                Troops were deployed in Germany on an ongoing basis, crushing the whole of Europe under themselves. Another thing is that then all profuca ...

                What, "crushed by themselves"?
                Quote: raw174
                when the state must protect itself

                The state must protect its citizens. The state should not protect itself.
                You have relic priorities. You write about medieval views on the place and role of the state in society. And the world today has long been different.
                Quote: raw174
                Where has industry developed at such a pace?

                Just do not "about the shock development of industry" in the USSR. Everyone recognized the price of this industry after the collapse of the USSR. That g ... that she let out to anyone, except for the Soviet consumer, who had no choice, was not needed. And this "industry" just died. In addition to raw materials, a low degree of redistribution. Yes, what can I say, almost without redistribution.
                Everything is logical and correct.
                1. +2
                  6 March 2018 14: 34
                  Quote: wer2
                  What did you get? One of the four occupation zones. And the East European Holodrons around their neck.

                  And the salvation of their own statehood, the honor of the people and their freedom. It’s not shameful to lay down this cup of life! The principle of freedom or death in action.
                  Quote: wer2
                  France 2MV did well.

                  And here I am, to put it mildly, shocked by your position ... But really, why resist, why fight and fight, it’s better to give up right away! Are you sworn in? After this your thesis is not an unequivocal attitude to your opinion in general ...
              2. +1
                6 March 2018 16: 27
                Quote: raw174
                They pulled out a piece of history and consider yourself right?

                You pulled out, “forgetting” some of my same commentary. I repeat:
                Millions of starvation deaths, cannibalism and carnivoreunprecedented in Russia is never an “achievement”, yes.
                . 13 million starved to death! In the middle of the 20th century, in Europe!
                M Millions of exiled peasants, of whom about million exiled children! 600 died and this is also in the majority -children! Are you human or?
                Etc.
                Quote: raw174
                No, let's look at the results of the war, and not part of it ... and about the "unprecedented defeat in the world," it looks like you are about defense France did not hear)

                Germans occupied five France in the USSR. Did not know? These are five French defeats.
                Quote: raw174
                Troops were deployed in Germany on an ongoing basis, crushing the whole of Europe under themselves. Another thing is that then everything was profiled.

                FEEDED at the Russian expense for the whole of Eastern Europe because of what they had done in WWII. They created (for Russian spilled blood) huge Poland (it received most of all lands in WWII) -SELF on its head. Slightly weakened - ALL have become against us.
                Stupidly spent huge resources and money.
                Quote: raw174
                Wartime, post-war, when the state must protect itself, because it is the most vulnerable during this period.

                30 years, what a war ?! belay
                Quote: raw174
                Nobody wants to punish themselves, even maniacs believe that they are being punished unfairly. Incorrect question.

                I'm not talking about punishment. I AM about "trial"YOURSELF to the will of the trio, give it back, if that? Or do you want protection and a lawyer and jury? Of course! And those less people wanted you to live, think?
                Quote: raw174
                Who should have entrusted the supreme? what are you saying! Where has industry developed at such a pace?

                What is "supreme" in the 30s ?! lol PEOPLE instructsin electionswhom your feared as a FIRE and banned FOREVER. Remember: no one ever chose Stalin, NOT any choice!
                Quote: raw174
                Old legends from library folios say that in the fields of the Second World War ...

                In what sacrifice?
                1. +3
                  7 March 2018 06: 29
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  13 million dead from hunger! In the middle of the 5th century, in Europe!

                  In the United States, during the great depression, about 5 million people died of hunger. it was a global crisis, which was still superimposed in the USSR by the consequences of wars and revolution. This is sad and bad, but this is not the fault of a specific person. during his reign, the situation turned around.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The Germans occupied five France in the USSR. Did not know? These are five French defeats.

                  But the flag on the Reichstag was hoisted by Soviet soldiers.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  30 years, what a war ?!

                  Well, yes, I didn’t put it right, a small interwar gap. The country is weakened by the War (World War I) and very weakened by the revolution, is on the verge of Finnish.
                  1. 0
                    7 March 2018 09: 37
                    Quote: raw174
                    In the United States, during the great depression, about 5 million people died of hunger.

                    Lies is Runet. Why retell it?
                    Quote: raw174
                    it was a global crisis, which was still superimposed in the USSR by the consequences of wars and revolution.

                    The world crisis did not overlap with the USSR. Because he was cut off from the rest of the world.
                    Quote: raw174
                    but the reason is not a specific person. during his reign, the situation turned around.

                    His methods of managing ("socialism") caused hunger.
                    Quote: raw174
                    But the flag on the Reichstag was hoisted by Soviet soldiers.

                    Who cares?
                    France got its zone of occupation. One out of four. Just like the USSR.
                    With a completely different amount of losses.
                    Those flags have long decayed. Like the bones of the dead. But the descendants of the dead will never be. The inhabitants of the former USSR will not have descendants of 42 million people. And the inhabitants of France - the descendants of 1,027 million people.
                    Who better waged a war?
                    Quote: raw174
                    The country is weakened by the War (World War I) and very weakened by the revolution, is on the verge of Finnish.

                    Which she, very weakly weakened, and began.
                    1. +4
                      7 March 2018 10: 37
                      Quote: wer2
                      France got its zone of occupation. One out of four. Just like the USSR.

                      Only if it were not for the USSR, they would not have received their statehood ... You did not answer my question (or I did not read it), are you sworn in to the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation (USSR)? Your amazing desire to present a military defeat as a feat surprises me ...
                      And on the part of the famine in the United States, three times HA-HA!
                      Quote: wer2
                      Which she, very weakly weakened, and began.

                      Are you really, Germany has declared war on Russia, and not vice versa!
                      1. 0
                        7 March 2018 17: 49
                        Quote: raw174
                        Only if it were not for the USSR, they would not have received their statehood ...

                        Gee-gee-gee. No, you obviously amuse me not deTski.
                        Have you for some reason decided that if the Germans had defeated the Bolsheviks in 1941, for some reason would they have a chance of a common victory?
                        Yes, not at all. Anglo-Saxons would bring Indians, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Brazilians and other Canadians with Australians. And they would kill the Nazis sooner or later. With their tiny industrial potential, the Germans had no chance against the Anglo-Saxons initially. And the USSR in this big war was just a small bargaining chip.
                        I will remind you the story. At 19 in Russia, on the instructions of Britain, she also wet Napoleon. And at the cost of incredible sacrifices, she’s soaked. And when she imagines herself to be a “great winner”, she got a scribble in the Crimean War.
                        Dzhugashvili was not stupid. And he remembered all this. Therefore, he didn’t climb on the rampage, sat on the priest evenly, breathed quietly. Khrushchev was also not stupid. Therefore, when he began to swing rights and the Americans were ready to trick him (and the USSR) on the ramp, he prudently handed back.
                        The rest can not be remembered. They were already born timid retirees. Mentally.
                        Quote: raw174
                        Are you really, Germany has declared war on Russia, and not vice versa!

                        Actually, it was about Finnish. Read it again.
                  2. +2
                    7 March 2018 09: 43
                    Quote: raw174
                    About 5 million people die of starvation in the USA during the Great Depression

                    Enough of this post-Soviet nonsense to replicate, which even the Soviet agitators were embarrassed to carry.
                    And how can one compare inhuman capitalism with a "people's" state? belay
                    Quote: raw174
                    . it was a global crisis, which was still superimposed in the USSR by the consequences of wars and revolution.

                    You STRAIGHTY START by saying this: after all, he declared in 1933 -34 that, unlike the West, the USSR was a crisis NOT touched and this is the merit of the communists. Remember, in the USSR, hunger and many millions of victims of hunger Did not have-read Stalin 33-34 years-there were some successes. fool
                    Quote: raw174
                    But the flag on the Reichstag was hoisted by Soviet soldiers.

                    As in 1812 in Paris and so forth. RUSSIANS always did this without the Bolsheviks.
                    AND WITHOUT such terrible victims.
                    Quote: raw174
                    Well, yes, I didn’t put it right, a small interwar gap. The country is weakened by the War (World War I) and very weakened by the revolution, is on the verge of Finnish.

                    EVERYTHING was weakened, but morale was nowhere to be found.
                    1. +2
                      7 March 2018 10: 39
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      As in 1812 in Paris and so forth. RUSSIANS always did this without the Bolsheviks.

                      And he will do it again without the Bolsheviks, but they won that war, Soviet soldiers ...
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      EVERYTHING was weakened, but morale was nowhere to be found.

                      Was.
                      1. +1
                        7 March 2018 11: 13
                        Quote: raw174
                        And he will do it again without the Bolsheviks, but they won that war, Soviet soldiers.

                        These were the SAME warriors who conquered Paris in 1814, twice Berlin (until 1945) and others.
                        Quote: raw174
                        Was.

                        Data?
          2. +2
            5 March 2018 16: 19
            Quote: raw174
            This is from the field of casuistry.

            This is a real story. And not so a fairy tale, which was memorized in the USSR.
            Quote: raw174
            There were no achievements under Stalin

            It depends on what is considered an achievement. And, most importantly, you need to carefully look at the price.
            Quote: raw174
            or not under his direct control in the Second World War won or not with him restored the country?

            There was a victory. But 42 million killed ... Every fifth resident of the pre-war USSR.
            Moreover, it is worth exaggerating the role of Dzhugashvili in all of this. Without the Anglo-Saxons, until 1943 the USSR was west of the Volga and the North. Dvina would not have lived. Despite all the simply enchanting mistakes of the Germans in 1941
            Quote: raw174
            And where did you get that without a trial? It seems to me that each shot has his own daddy ...

            I hope I heard about the NKVD triples and special meetings. Legally, this is all called "extrajudicial killings."
            In addition, do not forget the beginning of the 30s. Then the "socially alien" periodically shot at all without any triples, twos and units.
            Quote: raw174
            Well, then why was industrialization necessary? Why develop industry?

            For starters, there was no industrialization in the 30s. This is a Bolshevik lie, because money (in the form of grain) taken from starving and starving peasants went off the whistle. It was held in the 40s, at the captured and partially Lend-Lease mattechbase.
            But she was needed to strengthen personal power. Dzhugashvili feared not only an internal, but also an external threat. Manic feared.
            Quote: raw174
            It would be simpler to lower everything to the level of a banana republic and military dictatorship.

            So it was approximately. Only instead of bananas was the grain.
            Quote: raw174
            Why did you have to sacrifice a son?

            His son was captured by accident. Dzhugashvili did not assume that the Red Army would scatter in different directions with such speed.
            Quote: raw174
            What gave him power?

            Like what? ALL. Do you understand? ALL. You do not know power lovers.
            Quote: raw174
            What legacy did he leave for his children?

            That's it. Based on his disregard for the fate of his children, we can conclude that we have a mentally unhealthy person. Egoist to your fingertips. Who knew only himself, beloved. And the rest for him was just rubbish.
            Quote: raw174
            You are wrong, I think so.

            It is your right.
            1. +4
              6 March 2018 07: 31
              Quote: wer2
              It depends on what is considered an achievement.

              Industry development. In our region, the Chelyabinsk Region then began. MMK was built in the early 30s, it is the main taxpayer in our region, ChTPZ - 42 g., ChTZ - 33 g. This is only the south of the Urals ...
              Quote: wer2
              Moreover, it is worth exaggerating the role of Dzhugashvili in all of this.

              The Soviet army under the command of the supreme commander defeated the Reich, at this point.
              Quote: wer2
              Without the Anglo-Saxons, until 1943 the USSR was west of the Volga and the North. Dvina would not have lived.

              About "if" there is folk wisdom about the grandmother and her genitals. And yes, still, the Germans are the Anglo-Saxons, as well as the British and part of the Americans. This is one people from the beginning ...
              Quote: wer2
              I hope I heard about the NKVD triples and special meetings. Legally, this is all called "extrajudicial killings."

              Yes, they were probably innocently sentenced, but the purpose of these events was the benefit of the state, not of people, but of the state, in which since the revolution there were many different personalities who wanted a change of course.
              Quote: wer2
              For starters, there was no industrialization in the 30s. This is a Bolshevik lie, because money (in the form of grain) taken from starving and starving peasants went off the whistle. It was held in the 40s, at the captured and partially Lend-Lease mattechbase.

              Doctors are enemies! About MMK, ChTPZ, ChTZ - concrete examples of the industry!
              Quote: wer2
              His son was captured by accident.

              By chance, he would have fallen if he had been sitting in a villa overseas and going out for a loaf of bread ... But in battle, this is no coincidence!
              1. +2
                6 March 2018 11: 10
                Quote: raw174
                Industry development. In our region, the Chelyabinsk Region then began. MMK was built in the early 30s, it is the main taxpayer in our region, ChTPZ - 42 g., ChTZ - 33 g. This is only the south of the Urals ...

                Smelting ore into metal, no big mind needed. This is not a real industry. This is the mining industry. A factory for tailoring for the real sector of the economy has greater benefits than such an "industry".
                Quote: raw174
                The Soviet army under the command of the supreme commander defeated the Reich, at this point.

                Try to think about why the country, the "army that the Reich defeated" received only one of the 4 occupation zones. And the Americans, in the end, are 3 zones out of 4.
                Wars must be judged by whoever has the fruits of victory. Whoever received the most is the main winner. Because no one is inferior to these fruits just like that, there are no fools.
                Quote: raw174
                the Germans are the Anglo-Saxons, as well as the British and part of the Americans. This is one people from the beginning ...

                It’s ridiculous. About the same as the Russians and Poles. After all, they went from the Slavs. And they love each other in much the same way as the Germans and the British.
                By the way, and this is no longer a joke; genetically, the British are closer to the French, and even to the Spaniards, than to the Germans.
                And the purest Slavs are the Poles.
                And the most unique are the Romanians and Hungarians (each in their own way), in them "each creature has a pair."
                Quote: raw174
                but the purpose of these events is the benefit of the state, not of people, but of the state

                Yes, do not care about this state. Here, just like that, with saliva. Actually on Dzhugashvili, because then in the USSR it was he who was called the "state". In general, he then had many names - "Homeland", "Party" - these are just some of them.
                You, a young man, need to develop. Internally. Squeezing drop by drop this nonsense about the state’s priority over the individual. The world has already entered the post-industrial era. And you operate with concepts in the best case of feudal society.
                The priority of the state over the individual is a relict trend. The developed world has reversed these concepts for a long time.
                Quote: raw174
                About MMK, ChTPZ, ChTZ - concrete examples of the industry!

                I already wrote about what metal smelting is and how it relates to the real industry.
                As for ChTZ, it has nothing to do with industrialization. There, during the evacuation, a part of the equipment of the Kirov plant was taken out of Leningrad. Specialists were also taken there. Then ChKirovskyZ (as he was called first) breathed. And found life.
                Those. understandably? The existing plant (Putilovsky, the royal building) was moved to another place. And what happens when we change the places of the terms?
                Quote: raw174
                And in battle

                Read the story of the capture of Y. Dzhugashvili. In your opinion, it was customary for the Red Army commanders to fight in civilian clothes?
                1. +3
                  6 March 2018 14: 57
                  Quote: wer2
                  This is not a real industry. This is the mining industry.

                  belay Since when has metallurgy, the production of metal products (from rolled metal to mugs and shell beds), pipes, and tractors become not a real industry? And then what is heavy industry?
                  Quote: wer2
                  By the way, and this is no longer a joke; genetically, the British are closer to the French, and even to the Spaniards, than to the Germans.

                  We are not talking about genetics ... Here:
                  Anglo-Saxons (Eng. Anglo-Saxons, German: Angelsachsen, Dat. Angelsakser) - historians give this name to the ancient Germanic tribes of Angles and Saxons, to which the Utes and Friezes joined. These tribes, living between the Elbe and Rhine rivers (the area of ​​the Saxon settlement) and on the Jutland peninsula (the area of ​​the settlement of Angles and Jutes), in the middle of the XNUMXth century, like many other tribes of Northern Europe, most likely, as a result of climatic changes, began to move to Britain .

                  Quote: wer2
                  The developed world has reversed these concepts for a long time.

                  Who is the developed world? What do you personally consider an indicator of the developed world?
                  Quote: wer2
                  As for ChTZ, it has nothing to do with industrialization. There, during the evacuation, a part of the equipment of the Kirov plant was taken out of Leningrad. Specialists were also taken there. Then ChKirovskyZ (as he was called first) breathed.

                  Doctors are enemies! The Kirovsky factory became in the war, after the evacuation of tank production there, and before that (since 1933), it was called ChTZ them. Stalin and let out tractors for agriculture! The first tractor was called Stalinets-60!
                  Quote: wer2
                  Read the story of the capture of Y. Dzhugashvili. In your opinion, it was customary for the Red Army commanders to fight in civilian clothes?

                  We are gone from the point. Stalin sent his son to the front, he died there, he did not sacrifice his son for the sake of victory?
                  1. +1
                    6 March 2018 15: 53
                    Quote: raw174
                    Since when has metallurgy, the production of metal products (from rolled metal to mugs and shell beds), pipes, and tractors become not a real industry?

                    You in vain have added tractors to the production of metal in ingots.
                    Quote: raw174
                    Who is the developed world? What do you personally consider an indicator of the developed world?

                    Open any textbook and see the indicators of accumulated wealth per capita in the context of countries of the world. Throw out the raw materials appendages from there if they suddenly somehow get there. And you will be happy.
                    In 2016, the ranking of the most developed countries in the world looked something like this:

                    Quote: raw174
                    The Kirovsky factory became in the war, after the evacuation of tank production there, and before that (since 1933), it was called ChTZ them. Stalin and let out tractors for agriculture! The first tractor was called Stalinets-60!

                    Yeah. Very, very much let out. So much that its launch at planned capacity was scheduled for November 1941.
                    He was engaged in assembly before this. Today, such "factories" are called "screwdrivers."
                    Quote: raw174
                    Stalin sent his son to the front, he died there, he did not sacrifice his son for the sake of victory?

                    Dzhugashvili did not send his son to the front (he sent the older, younger). He was already in the army at the time the war began.
                    Y. Dzhugashvili was captured by accident, not during the battle. And his suicidal act in the camp, well, I don’t know if it can be said about him that he died at the front. Or even from the factors of war.
                    No, from the factors of war, apparently it is possible. But not at the front.
                    And the phrase that I. Dzhugashvili sacrificed his son for the sake of victory is completely incomprehensible. How could he even know that his son would be captured and die there?
                    1. +2
                      7 March 2018 06: 54
                      Quote: wer2
                      You in vain have added tractors to the production of metal in ingots.

                      They produced metal, which went to the domestic market, immediately made products, including armored plates, but this was during the war. Ferrous metallurgy is an important part of industry. This and hundreds of other plants are the result of hard work, which provided the country with the necessary material. To deny the growth of industry under Stalin is the height of hypocrisy!
                      Quote: wer2
                      Yeah. Very, very much let out.

                      March 30, 1940 - less than seven years after the start-up of the plant - the 100th tractor of the ChTZ brand rolled off the assembly line, which is quite good for those years.
                      Quote: wer2
                      He was engaged in assembly before this. Today, such "factories" are called "screwdrivers."

                      The enemies, the enemies again ... The production was localized, the foundry, blacksmith and mechanical assembly shops were rebuilt and launched. Why in Chelyaba? Yes, everything is simple! Magnitogorsk is 300 km, it means there is steel and cast iron. In Korkino coal, local personnel.
                      Quote: wer2
                      Dzhugashvili did not send his son to the front (he sent the older, younger). He was already in the army at the time the war began.

                      Not the point. The bottom line is that he did not protect him, although he could put him in the headquarters in the rear ...
                      Quote: wer2
                      Y. Dzhugashvili was captured by accident, not during the battle.

                      It doesn’t matter either, during the battle or immediately after, or immediately before the battle ... He fought, did not take advantage of the position to take cover, did not run.
                      Quote: wer2
                      How could he even know that his son would be captured and die there?

                      He guessed that in a war no no no yes they perish ... (sarcasm)
                      1. 0
                        7 March 2018 09: 50
                        Quote: raw174
                        Ferrous metallurgy is an important part of industry.

                        Ferrous metallurgy is a subspecies of the raw material industry. And only according to the strange Soviet classification are these industries, oil production and ferrous metallurgy, separated from each other.
                        Quote: raw174
                        To deny the growth of industry under Stalin is the height of hypocrisy!

                        No one denies this. The industrialization of the 30s is denied. And the industrialization of the 40s on the Lend-Lease and trophy industrial base is not denied.
                        The guns that could penetrate something of the Germans when they began to do? Since 1943. After receiving equipment from the United States. And before that they could not do it. And did the maximum "legendary three-inch."
                        Quote: raw174
                        The bottom line is that he did not protect him, although he could put him in the headquarters in the rear.

                        Quote: raw174
                        He fought, did not take advantage of the position to take refuge, did not run.

                        During the battle, after which Y. Dzhugashvili was captured, he was not in positions, but was waiting for the division commander in the car, in case of urgent evacuation. "Not fenced," say?
        2. 0
          6 March 2018 11: 02
          Dzhugashvili’s goal was one, to maintain a regime of personal power. At any cost

          What for ? Where is the logic? He could have everything he wanted, but he had nothing but the most necessary. So for what purpose did he allegedly need "personal" power?
          1. 0
            6 March 2018 14: 20
            Quote: seal78
            He could have everything he wanted, but he had nothing but the most necessary.

            They had everything in their personal property. The whole country with giblets. Including bugs and lice from prisoners.
            Quote: seal78
            So for what purpose did he allegedly need "personal" power?

            Here in order to have it all.
            1. +1
              6 March 2018 17: 38
              Fierce nonsense) Have you run out of medicine, or what? The orderlies are not watching you at all?
        3. +2
          6 March 2018 16: 47
          Why talk about what you have no idea about. Stalin twice asked to be freed from all posts. The first time since Trotsky in the twenties.
  13. +9
    5 March 2018 07: 50
    Why hate Stalin
    they hate the descendants of those whom he forced to work for the people, for the country, for the future, he did not allow to fill pockets at the expense of ordinary people, idle talk and populism to build up publicity, which is then converted back into a pocket. He did not allow the looting of the country by either the party nomenclature or foreigners, while he himself managed a little. So they hate him.
    1. +6
      5 March 2018 07: 54
      So what kind of people, please clarify? For the sake of what kind of people, what future, 65-75% of the country's population (collective farmers) injected for workdays, taxed at the very least I can not?
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 08: 45
        Quote: Cheerful
        For the sake of what kind of people, what future, 65-75% of the country's population (collective farmers) injected for workdays, taxed at the very least I can not?

        And what would you like the whole prosperous people not taxed and work-days to be then easily captured and destroyed then by the Nazis or by someone else with a weak state and a weak economy? After all, there were enemies around! All this was compelled and understood by our grandfathers and grandmothers, unlike you. No wonder then there was the slogan “Everything for the front, everything for the victory”. Such an example is also given to the current whiners who complain about everything.
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 08: 58
          After all, there were enemies around!

          And why were there enemies around?
          By chance, not because of the extremist left-wing ideology of the spread of the world revolution?
          What was all this for? All these sufferings, the millions of those killed, tormented by hunger, disease, hard labor - and all so that in the end the descendants of the old Bolsheviks, the nomenclature, the KGB officers and the shadow workers appropriated everything that the Russians suffered with sweat and blood? They wanted land and factories for the people, they got the yachts for the mill workers, the Abramovichs and the Umanovs, and for the people, at best, kennels in concrete rabbit houses.
          1. +6
            5 March 2018 10: 00
            Quote: Cheerful
            And why were there enemies around?

            And when did Russia / Russian Empire \ USSR \ Russia have them?
            Quote: Cheerful
            By chance, not because of the extremist left-wing ideology of the spread of the world revolution?

            No. There have always been, are and will be those who want to put a paw on OUR resources (land, minerals, etc.)
            1. +4
              5 March 2018 10: 14
              And when did Russia / Russian Empire \ USSR \ Russia have them?

              Such that there were no enemies around. Russia has always been in a coalition with one or another European power.
              No. There have always been, are and will be those who want to put a paw on OUR resources (land, minerals, etc.)

              Not ours, but Millira, Sechin, Melnichki, Usmanov, Abramovich, etc.
              1. +6
                5 March 2018 10: 55
                Quote: Cheerful
                Such that there were no enemies around.

                The current liberoids have no enemies and have not, that's for sure. So you are from their midst and about which coalitions and with whom are you talking?
                Quote: Cheerful
                Not ours, but Millira, Sechin, Melnichki, Usmanov, Abramovich, etc.

                And what taxes do these companies pay to the treasury? And the salaries that our people earn there and also pay taxes? After all, if your liberoids come to power, then they will instantly sell all this to foreign rockefellers and others. This cannot happen! And you are all the same understanding this, probably because of this - Cheerless.
                1. +5
                  5 March 2018 11: 16
                  And what taxes do these companies pay to the treasury?

                  Gray export schemes - have not you heard? Margin and taxes are deposited in offshore countries and countries of the NATO aggressive bloc, where trader firms are registered to whom products are sold at prices close to cost.
                  And the salaries that our people earn there and also pay taxes?

                  In the countries of the first world, welfare is greater than these salaries. Because, according to Russian businessmen, if I may say so, if you start paying people more than 20 thousand rubles, then inflation, stagnation, degradation, a terrible trial, hell and death will happen.
                  After all, if your liberoids come to power, then they will instantly sell all this to foreign rockefellers and others.

                  I have nothing to do with ethnic liberals from Zhmerynka and Konotop and the descendants of the old Bolsheviks.
                  And you are all the same understanding this, probably because of this - Cheerless.

                  I am sad because in 2018 I have to prove to the Russian people the facts of the genocide of the Russian people by the Soviet government, as well as the facts of their robbery, moreover, twice - collectivization in 1930, monetary reform and privatization in 1991
                  1. +3
                    5 March 2018 12: 33
                    Quote: Cheerful
                    I am sad because in 2018 I have to prove to the Russian people the facts of the genocide of the Russian people by the Soviet government, as well as the facts of their robbery, moreover, twice - collectivization in 1930, monetary reform and privatization in 1991

                    Calm down and don't be sad. Pap Ivanov and Petrova’s mother as a result do not always give out Russian. Often obtained and the Soviet.
                    But it’s useless to explain to the Soviet. Because they have their own "faith." And in fact, they are more likely pseudo-religious sectarians. They are outside of nations, nationalities, etc. And outside of reality. They are in their own world. In the looking glass. And there are their morals. Not at all like the rest of the world.
                    1. +3
                      5 March 2018 12: 40
                      The Soviet ones are also Russian, even if they were excommunicated from God (love, truth, beauty) false prophets, for their souls one can and must fight.
                      1. +2
                        5 March 2018 13: 06
                        Quote: Cheerful
                        Soviet also Russian

                        Sectarians of totalitarian sects, as a rule, lose their national authenticity. And they identify themselves and others not by their origin, but by their views on "doctrine."
                  2. +1
                    5 March 2018 12: 51
                    For offshore, in fact, they began to take everyone back in the early Putin years.

                    And it is not necessary about collectivization only, without it, Russia would not exist for a long time. She died of hunger without Hitler. You really are kind of stubborn, it seems, in 2 to 18 this is carried.
                    1. +3
                      5 March 2018 13: 10
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      And it is not necessary about collectivization only, without it, Russia would not exist for a long time. She died of hunger without Hitler.

                      Even before the Bolsheviks many centuries did not rest. After the Communists for a quarter of a century, they also did not rest. And under the Bolsheviks-Communists, they would have surely rested.
                      When you write something, do you think first? Or do not have such a habit?
                    2. +3
                      5 March 2018 13: 13
                      And it is not necessary about collectivization only, without it, Russia would not exist for a long time. She died of hunger without Hitler. She died of hunger without Hitler.

                      The beginning of collectivization was 1930. The worst famine of 1932-1933, according to official figures, claimed 7 million human lives right after it. Coincidence? “I don't think so.”
              2. +4
                5 March 2018 12: 38
                Quote: Cheerful
                Russia has always been in a coalition with one or another European power.

                The coalition is not friends, it is a strategic alliance to achieve a specific goal, for example, for military defense, but those whom they defended yesterday, tomorrow they are very pleased to put a knife in the back ...
                Quote: Cheerful
                Not ours, but Millira, Sechin, Melnichki, Usmanov, Abramovich, etc.

                Well, let's already say that all this is Putin ... And who is the largest taxpayer in the country? ..
                1. +1
                  8 March 2018 10: 39
                  raw174
                  The coalition is not friends, it is a strategic alliance
                  Well, let's already say that all this is Putin ...

                  Let's say ...
          2. +4
            5 March 2018 12: 52
            By chance, Tsarist Russia had no less enemies. Surprise huh? And in modern Russia, too. Moreover, their number is strikingly increasing when in Russia they suddenly begin to live well.
      2. +3
        5 March 2018 08: 47
        Own future. Which now, under capitalism, they do not and will not.
      3. +4
        5 March 2018 09: 02
        As people were taxed, it seems to me that from a country with such a flag is not very noticeable. The fact that they lived poorly is, of course, the result of tyranny, and not aggression and devastation, both in 20's and 41-45, you’re our naughty liberal. I will say more, I have an 1943 document of the year. The order of the district chief of the NKVD to a simple peasant to hand over in the autumn 360 kg of potatoes for the needs of the army. I found it in an old book on beekeeping, I got it from my grandfather, and so, I began to find out - it turned out they gave the land, cultivate, grow vegetables for yourself, but donate some. And now, about
        taxed by the most I can’t?
        can list what taxes? rates, tax base, comparable to today, have fun.
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 09: 09
          began to find out - it turned out, they gave the land, cultivate, grow vegetables for yourself, but hand over part

          This is called a quitrent.
          Thanks to the Bolsheviks for the return of progressive good old serf practices abolished by the "damned tsarist regime"
          can list what taxes? rates, tax base, comparable to today, have fun.

          https://newsland.com/user/4297654227/content/povi
          nnosti-sovetskikh-krestian-pri-staline / 4233503
          Enlighten
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 09: 51
            Obligations of Soviet peasants under Stalin
            It’s such a read to read — you’ll start moving your mind, how you survived, how you won the war, how the country was restored, it will be completely incomprehensible. Here at the discussion the Moscow literary circle was cited as an example - the peasants were completely oppressed, really. It’s for children that such dust can be in the eyes, but in me I had a chance to talk with people who lived under Stalin and in the countryside and in the city, and my grandmothers and grandfathers were not accustomed to lie, it’s a pity there’s been no light for a long time, but I haven’t heard from them nothing like this. And most importantly, they survived, raised and educated children. Do not stick like your campaign with the testimony of direct participants. To prevent insinuations: grandfathers were a carpenter and a military man, grandmothers - a worker and a peasant, so they saw everything.
            1. +3
              5 March 2018 10: 11
              how they survived, how they won the war, how the country was restored

              At the cost of huge, colossal human losses, from which we still cannot recover.
              1. +4
                5 March 2018 11: 56
                "Prala." You had to give up right away. Maybe now is not too late? Why flutter something, you see and the sanctions will be lifted and Parmesan is full of belly?
                1. +3
                  5 March 2018 12: 14
                  "Prala." In order for the sanctions to be lifted, it is necessary not to force Ukraine to negotiate and sign such an agreement that would resolve territorial disputes, but to sacrifice several million people in a bloody sacrifice - then the economy will improve and life will be better, life will be more fun, and those wishing to become an alliance won't be - right? Blood to the bloody god, skulls to the throne of skulls!
                  There are such means that do not justify and cannot justify the goal, you understand?
                  1. +3
                    5 March 2018 12: 49
                    Give the means of victory in the Second World War, when the German rushing millions of soldiers, without casualties. Generals readily honor.
                    1. +3
                      5 March 2018 13: 16
                      All you need to prevent is the establishment of a common border with the German, like a hyena snatching a piece from Poland in a preliminary conspiracy with the Nazis. And if they could not refrain from naughty after Hitler, then do not shoot the "former" military specialists and do not purge the Soviet, which makes the army a completely uncontrollable construct.
                      1. +3
                        5 March 2018 15: 09
                        Quote: Cheerful
                        Just need prevent the establishment of a common border with a German, like a hyena snatching a piece from Poland by prior agreement with the Nazis.

                        Here you are wrong: it was IMPOSSIBLE not to allow it: we would not have taken eastern Poland, Hitler would have taken it. By the way, he was already in Brest.
                        And he would be 200 km closer to Moscow.
                        Everything was done right there.
                        Here in 1940 it was necessary to strike in the same place, towards the French, repeat 1914. But the brains were not enough .....
                      2. +3
                        5 March 2018 15: 21
                        And if the Germans themselves want to establish a common border with us, but not in the area of ​​Brest and the Neman River, but in the area of ​​Narva, Pskov and Minsk, what should I do? About cleansing. The war is on the nose, and the majority of the leadership of the army, either "a saber, a horse, yes to the line of fire", which is the lesser of evils, or very muddy individuals with the threat of treason (Tukhachevsky, Uborevich, etc.), brought the army to a the denominator, but not all the rot (Pavlov et al.) was cleaned up, which later came to a hitch.
                  2. +2
                    5 March 2018 14: 22
                    Is it really so naive, or is it just pretending to be holding us for fools?
                  3. +4
                    5 March 2018 15: 55
                    Clearly, Katz offers to give up. Not surprised.
            2. +3
              5 March 2018 15: 04
              Quote: Begemot
              they survived, raised and educated children.

              TENS of millions did NOT survive, did NOT grow and did NOT train. We are talking about this!
              1. +4
                5 March 2018 15: 40
                The checkbox says a lot. Where did the "tens of millions" go? were they burned down in Hitler’s stoves and concentration camps, were they killed on the fronts against a united democratic Europe, protecting their relatives and the country from evil? And those who undermined the country from the inside - those yes, did not survive, there was such a time, or they are us, or we are them. The brothers did not heal in time - Khrushchev, the benefactor, regretted it - an abscess exploded. Also then they will cry, what tyrants around, did not give the chance to kill everyone who doesn’t crack.
                1. +1
                  5 March 2018 16: 12
                  Quote: Begemot
                  . Where did the "tens of millions" go? were they burned down in Hitler’s stoves and concentration camps, were they killed on the fronts against a united democratic Europe, protecting their relatives and the country from evil?

                  No I'm about 13,5 million starvation (22,33,48gg).
                  О 4,5 million fully robbed peasants exiled 2,5 млн (40% CHILDREN!) 600 thousand dead of them.
                  О 1,7 mln dead in camps, etc.
                  Quote: Begemot
                  ? And those who undermined the country from the inside - those yes, did not survive, such a time was, or they us, or we them

                  And BEFORE this, THOUSAND years of Russia, why SO-did not? AND -NERWHERE SO-did not? Where does the people's power have so many enemies, and even under "built" socialism? In RI -jury trial was, but Stalin-in the Middle Ages left!
                  Quote: Begemot
                  The brothers did not heal in time - Khrushchev, the benefactor, regretted it - an abscess exploded.

                  The abscess was created by the Bolsheviks, having invented the so-called Ukraine, creating ukronarod, its "culture", "history", etc., giving them the native Russian lands, turning Russian there -in non-Russian. Forgot?
              2. +1
                7 March 2018 13: 51
                Otherwise, no one would have survived, is it incomprehensible to you, or what?
                1. +1
                  7 March 2018 17: 56
                  Quote: seal78
                  Otherwise, no one would have survived, is it incomprehensible to you, or what?

                  You retell less political information 50 years ago in your own words. You will look smarter from the side.
                  1. +1
                    7 March 2018 19: 34
                    I'm not talking to you, get out of here, the orderlies have already lost you.
                2. 0
                  10 March 2018 11: 11
                  Quote: seal78
                  Otherwise, no one would have survived, is it incomprehensible to you, or what?

                  For millions to survive, millions need to die. belay IN PEACE TIME !?
                  I asked them? Did they say PRICE? Let me remind you that officially there was neither hunger nor victims, everything was "normal". this is normal?
                  EVERYWHERE survived, all over the world WITHOUT this. Unclear again? belay
          2. +9
            5 March 2018 11: 37
            In 1939, the minimum of what had to be worked out on the collective farm was established — from 60 to 100 workdays per year. He worked them out, and you can sit in the bazaar for months, being considered a full-fledged builder of communism.
            The collective farmer had to pay a cash tax and sell part of the production, I emphasize - sell to the state, but at the state price, i.e. one that was already 10 times higher than the world, but still below the market. How unfair is this requirement? After all, workers sold all 100% of their products at state prices.
            In 1940, with 300 working days in the city, peasants worked on the collective farm 3 times less.
            This is a word about workdays and unhappy collective farmers. They became unhappy under Khrushchev but no matter how under I.V. Stalin.
            1. +2
              6 March 2018 14: 04
              Quote: Nehist
              In 1939, the minimum of what had to be worked out on the collective farm was established — from 60 to 100 workdays per year. He worked them out, and you can sit in the bazaar for months, being considered a full-fledged builder of communism.
              The collective farmer had to pay a cash tax and sell part of the production, I emphasize - sell to the state, but at the state price, i.e. one that was already 10 times higher than the world, but still below the market. How unfair is this requirement? After all, workers sold all 100% of their products at state prices.
              In 1940, with 300 working days in the city, peasants worked on the collective farm 3 times less.
              This is a word about workdays and unhappy collective farmers. They became unhappy under Khrushchev but no matter how under I.V. Stalin.


              Well then lie:

              First, everything that the peasant had was taken to the collective farm - horses, cattle, and most importantly, the land was taken. Tiny gardens were cut, from which it was barely possible to feed a large family. And the "collective farmer in captivity" never received money!
              No wages were paid to members of collective farms. All income after fulfilling obligations to the state (obligatory deliveries and making an in-kind payment for services of machine and tractor stations) went to the collective farm. Each collective farmer received for his work a share of the collective farm income corresponding to the workdays he worked out.

              Only this income could be obtained - a small part of the grain (only enough to feed the family - bread), straw, firewood, etc.
              there was a practice of arbitrary accrual of workdays without taking into account the quality of work performance, as well as the distribution of income "by feeders", which to some extent contributed to the crisis of collective farm production in 1931-1932


              The average grain output to collective farmers by workdays in the USSR was

              in 1940 - 1,6 kg
              in 1943 - 0,7 kg
              in 1944 - 0,8 kg.


              Somehow, even in 100 working days to get pre-war 160 kg of grain - it’s very difficult to feed the family, but if you need to feed 3 or more eaters (children), then only half-starving would live with many children.
              Therefore, if you leave the collective farm - they took away the personal plot and then without a garden - you can’t survive at all.
              So the system was well thought out in terms of enslaving the peasants - first to take everything away, then put in such conditions - that would work for nothing - he could barely feed his family, but he could not escape to the city without a passport.
              1. +2
                6 March 2018 14: 28
                Quote: DimerVladimer
                First, everything that the peasant had was taken to the collective farm - horses, cattle, and most importantly, the land was taken. Tiny gardens were cut, from which it was barely possible to feed a large family. And the "collective farmer in captivity" never received money!


                Lies. The fields on which bread and meadows were sown were socialized. Private gardens remained unchanged. That my ancestors, that the ancestors of the wife from Romanov to Brezhnev, owned the same plot / plots ranging in size from tens to hundreds of hundred parts. Accordingly, products from personal farms and those obtained on workdays were sold in the city for real money.
                1. +1
                  7 March 2018 11: 34
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  Accordingly, products from personal farms and those obtained on workdays were sold in the city for real money.


                  If you can get to the city - 90% of the population lived much further from large cities, and since the horses were taken to the collective farm, then there is nothing to go.
                  1. +1
                    7 March 2018 13: 41
                    Of course, if you can get there. Those traded who traveled. But if many lived far from large cities, then much more lived near small ones. In my case, that was exactly how it was - to the district center, 7-8 kilometers, calmly reached on foot. Yes, if you go somewhere - horses on the collective farm were taken without problems.
              2. +1
                7 March 2018 14: 16
                Quote: DimerVladimer
                First, everything that the peasant had was taken to the collective farm - horses, cattle, and most importantly, the land was taken away.


                At the same time, the collective farmer became the shared owner ("owner of shares") of this collective farm and all collective farm property, and consistently received dividends from collective farm profits.

                How terrible are the crimes of Stalinism!

                The repetition of this kind of old Goebbels agitation in 2018 is an indicator of mental retardation.
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                  1. +2
                    7 March 2018 14: 40
                    Dityatko, you can see what the word "collective farm" means on Wikipedia. It is readily outlined even there.
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                2. 0
                  7 March 2018 17: 59
                  Quote: Conserp
                  At the same time, the collective farmer became the shared owner ("owner of shares") of this collective farm and all collective farm property, and consistently received dividends from collective farm profits.

                  And at the same time, if he took three spikelets from "his shared property", he was shot.
                  You don't make ends meet.
                  You stop talking nonsense if you can, of course.
  14. +10
    5 March 2018 08: 15
    Gentlemen and comrades, here before there were, in addition to the pluses, the minuses. Why were they removed?
    About Stalin - certainly a historical figure! It is absolutely impossible to give an unambiguous assessment of the time of his reign! This is the case when you need to consider specific events in the context of a historical temporary situation! Those who joyfully scream here about everyone to the wall and unconditionally approve of all the cruel measures of that time would like to recommend introducing themselves, their dad, and the poor gray-haired mother with sisters and brothers somewhere in the Kolyma ... This will be especially easy to imagine given the following the famous congress debunked and stigmatized ... And it’s even easier to imagine, given that the initiator of this action, Comrade Khrushchev, signed the execution documents on the right and on the left! In order to present the picture it was even brighter, and for those who have read at least a couple of articles by ardent comrade Samsonov Alexander, imagine him at the head of some regional division of the NKVD! Presented ?! Well, so ...
  15. +5
    5 March 2018 08: 18
    Articles about Stalin are divided into "he is a good deity" and "he is an evil deity." In both cases, the key word is "deity." An objective assessment of reality both approaches harm.
    Monarchist liberals and conservatives are now raiding, and a battle will break out between proponents of both approaches. And the real figure of Stalin will remain, as usual, somewhere on the sidelines. Soon, due to a heap of delusional propaganda cliches, he will not be discerned, the real one, such as it was with all its triumphs and failures, beautiful and terrible. And it's very bad.
  16. +8
    5 March 2018 08: 23
    Stalin along with Lenin was and remains the greatest ruler of Russia and the USSR at all times! Even tolerasts and liberalists are afraid of his name, especially in the Russian Federation. And any hints of attempts to revive a strong Russia cause them cramps and convulsions.
  17. +4
    5 March 2018 08: 31
    Quote: erased
    Stalin along with Lenin was and remains the greatest ruler of Russia

    The ruler of Russia was not one or the other!
    1. +4
      5 March 2018 09: 44
      Citizen at least read Wikipedia if other sources are too complicated. Even there it is clearly shown that the USSR was formed by the merger of several republics, and the largest of them is the RSFSR. There is also a decryption, but the first word is Russian. Lenin of the RSFSR and led. Stalin led the USSR and the RSFSR as part of the USSR.
      Available?
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 10: 49
        )))) I have something to answer for this ?!))))) Seriously ?!
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 11: 19
          No, you have to write more brackets to show your level.
          1. +1
            5 March 2018 11: 57
            You need to say strangers.
    2. +4
      5 March 2018 14: 25
      Well yes. the people themselves were "governed." That's only with the “non-rulers" for 10 years, fundamental achievements, and today, with the right rulers for 20 years, there is only talk, but real business is a penny.
  18. +9
    5 March 2018 08: 31
    I already wrote somehow that the task of uncovering a role in the history of an individual of such a scale as Stalin is now hardly possible for anyone.
    Unfortunately, in Soviet, Russian, and world history, the assessment of the Stalin era was given, in the majority, to the demagogues and opportunists.
    As an example, today's author. Stalin has more than enough prophetic and simply winged expressions that well reveal the scale of his personality. Anyone can see this for themselves when reading his collected works in thirteen volumes.
    The quote made by the author in the headline is extremely doubtful, since, apart from the historian Trush, who put it into circulation, no one has ever seen these words.
  19. +7
    5 March 2018 08: 52
    Dear author. Stalin in our country is not hated, respected, but not idolized And if some people (I mean normal people, mentally healthy) give his actions a real assessment, including Putin, this does not mean that these people are liberals.
    Stalin destroyed most of the Bolshevik-Leninists (read the biographies of all of Lenin’s comrades-in-arms and make sure that Stalin destroyed them or removed them from business), thereby saving the Russian people from genocide. Therefore, the children of Leninists and Bundists hate Stalin.
  20. +6
    5 March 2018 08: 59
    Even without any sarcasm, it causes genuine surprise when the author insistently speaks of the Bolsheviks - Russian Communists in relation to 1917! Who are we talking about at all ?! What Russian communists were at the head of the Bolsheviks ?!
  21. +4
    5 March 2018 09: 01
    Stalin is hated because he made ALL work ... for the country, even those who did not want to do this.
  22. +4
    5 March 2018 09: 01
    Yes, I just adore Stalin, he’s such a baby.
    If Putin would now use Stalin's methods, then many commentators who are watering Putin’s slops and the authorities have gone to explore cold places or to the lines of capitalism!
    Commentators, you better answer why there were so many traitors and enemies of the people?
    And what to do with Khrushchev who exposed him?
    Syrieva appendage, but why did the author keep silent what did he become under Comrade Stalin! When the USSR paid for the western technologies with gold forest people
    1. +4
      5 March 2018 10: 18
      Nikita Khrushchev, in order to strengthen his power, decided at the 20th Party Congress to defend Stalin, thereby whitewashing himself and his own kind.
    2. +3
      5 March 2018 11: 21
      You still forgot to tell the story of how you were shot for wrapping fish in a newspaper with Stalin. I love these stories from the backward ...
    3. +6
      5 March 2018 11: 48
      Interesting. And what western technologies were not needed? Do you personally agree now back to the caves and skins?
      It was not necessary to create in the country the automobile industry, the chemical industry, the tractor industry, machine tool industry, no bearings are needed, etc.?
      Those. the fact that Stalin led the country into a second industrial superpower is a crime?
      Wow, like some brains are distorted.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 12: 12
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        Those. the fact that Stalin led the country into a second industrial superpower is a crime?

        Directly with the help of the West and the USA.
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 15: 49
          That Stalin denied, refused. waved and the West and the United States imposed on him?
          Funny, it turns out that Stalin used the resources of the West, it’s bad, but when the West uses the resources of Russia, for candy wrappers, it’s good.
          My dear, not "with help," for all this has been paid, and if you do not know, then with gold and bread.
          No need to cheat and present this as a charity of the West and the United States.
          Stalin used the west to build an industrial superpower, and some are trying to imagine it as something shameful, and not as a great achievement.
          Stalin bought technology, not pants and chewing gum.
      2. +2
        5 March 2018 12: 47
        due to the obvprovryvaniya people!
        I think that if Putin applies Stalinist methods to commentators defending Stalin, namely, takes away cars, drives everyone into collective farms by taking away passports, then their enthusiasm will decrease.
        and when people boast of an industrial superpower, they either don’t know or hush up with whose help.
        USSR for real gold received obsolete technology! silent about it.
        and why are they talking about industrial power, but are silent about the standard of living of the population? when did you buy pants for joy? why did people flee for the cordon from a good life in the USSR
        it’s your brains are distorted. admire the jockey who drove the horse in an attempt to win.
        1. +5
          5 March 2018 14: 11
          and when people boast of an industrial superpower, they either don’t know or hush up with whose help.
          I agree! Much was built at the expense of the people who went through the famine and war. The people built houses, factories, factories. He laid pipes so that it was warm in the houses and so that water flowed through the pipes. Created farms, dairy complexes, incubators. Take any country: Russia or the CIS. Agricultural machinery, houses, factories - all this on 70-80% Soviet legacy. Under capitalism you can’t do this. Now, due to the contribution of the USSR to the sphere of life, the whole post-Soviet space, Europe, the USA lives. When this is over (and it will be soon), they will recall Stalin and Lenin and the USSR.
        2. +2
          5 March 2018 15: 21
          Quote: K.A.S.
          , namely it will take away cars, drive everyone into collective farms by taking away their passports, then their enthusiasm will decrease.

          For starters, let at least the privatized apartments be handed over to the STATE! This can be done even now, voluntarily, let it be like in those days that they love Yes
          But after all, NOT ONE comm, um, yes, DO NOT!
          Quote: K.A.S.
          and why are they talking about industrial power, but are silent about the standard of living of the population? when was the pants a joy to buy?

          From illiteracy: but there is a report from the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR in 1955, (secret!) Which clearly indicates that the level of consumption of food, housing and clothing 1913 g reached only by the 1950-60s
          1. 0
            7 March 2018 13: 58
            Quote: Olgovich
            and there is a report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR in 1955, (secret!) which clearly indicates that the levels of consumption of food, housing and clothing in 1913 reached only by the 1950-60s

            Yes ? Right in 1955, what was achieved by the 1960s? lol
            1. 0
              10 March 2018 11: 24
              Quote: seal78
              Yes ? Right in 1955, what was achieved by the 1960s?

              For food and clothing - this is in the CSB Report - take an interest Yes . For housing, to the 60th year.
              Too lazy to share Yes
        3. +1
          5 March 2018 15: 51
          How, however, some people like to write nonsense. Continue.
    4. +2
      5 March 2018 12: 47
      If you acquire Western technology, then obviously not to continue to be an appendage. Before Stalin, there were 100%, the main export was bread.
    5. +2
      5 March 2018 14: 27
      But there was something to pay the other, such a raid did not occur to him?
  23. +2
    5 March 2018 09: 05
    Quote: captain
    Dear author. Stalin in our country is not hated, respected, but not idolized And if some people (I mean normal people, mentally healthy) give his actions a real assessment, including Putin, this does not mean that these people are liberals.
    Stalin destroyed most of the Bolshevik-Leninists (read the biographies of all of Lenin’s comrades-in-arms and make sure that Stalin destroyed them or removed them from business), thereby saving the Russian people from genocide. Therefore, the children of Leninists and Bundists hate Stalin.

    One cannot but agree!
  24. BAI
    +5
    5 March 2018 09: 18
    Well, how much can you chew on the same topic? I understand that every media outlet has a favorite horse: someone has House-2, someone has a contrast between communists and monarchists. If only there was a rating.
  25. +5
    5 March 2018 09: 52
    Stalin was a real national leader who devoted his whole life to the solution of global and national tasks of Russian civilization and the Russian people

    Stalin was a real non-Russia, which, as part of an organized criminal group with the participation of Blanc, Bronstein, Apfelbaum, Uritsky, Sverdlov and other “people's leaders”, destroyed the Russian national state, put the Russian people on the brink of destruction, breaking its back.
    The fruits of Dzhugashvili’s activities are now clearly visible among the Russian people — godlessness, lack of initiative, drunkenness, debauchery, infantilism, etc. Thanks to the activities of Dzhugashvili and his organized criminal group, tens of millions of excellent Russian people lay untimely in the ground.
    It is for this that sane people do not like Dzhugashvili.
    1. +8
      5 March 2018 10: 49
      Quote: Fenrir49
      It is for this that sane people do not like Dzhugashvili.


      Sane people can count and you can’t hang noodles on their ears.

      For 40 years (from 1918 - to 1959) was lost 70 millionpeople (demographic losses with the unborn and emigration). Priet was two warsGV and WWII. A powerful industrial state built is a superpower ..

      27 years of liberalism lost 65 million hoursman. Gouging economy (the benefit is still eaten on the Soviet backlog).

      The benefits of anti-Stalinists are especially evident in Ukraine. The population has fallen by 1/3 (and maybe even more) and the economy is completely destroyed. and absolutely dependent country.

      That is why sane people feel the difference (unlike the stupid ones).
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 11: 07
        Quote: chenia
        Over 40 years (from 1918 to 1959) 70 million people were lost (demographic losses with the unborn and emigration). Priet was two warsGV and WWII. A powerful industrial state built is a superpower ..

        The popular forces and spirit were undermined. The patient can be pumped with drugs and tranquilizers and forced to work more efficiently than a healthy person. At the same time, he will still laugh and sing songs.
        But it will quickly end and end even worse than it began. It ended quickly - 70 years in history is not a deadline.
        Quote: chenia
        Over 27 years of liberalism, 65 million people have been lost. Gouging economy (the benefit is still eaten on the Soviet backlog).

        What does liberalism have to do with Ukraine? There are no adherents of these directions. Therefore, sticking them into every hole is wrong.
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 11: 26
          Quote: Fenrir49
          It ended quickly - 70 years in history is not a deadline.


          Well, firstly, it is only just beginning. (our peoples felt the difference).

          Secondly, where are the successes of the capitalist system, before socialism.
          And here, for comparison, there is Ukraine (this is for the purity of the experiment), and not DPRK-South Korea (a capitalism showcase specially created by the USA).

          So Stalin (then) did not allow to realize (albeit by force) plans to ruin and destroy the country.

          And you, as I understand it, are not able to relate these phenomena (but here the claim is not for me) ..
        2. +4
          5 March 2018 11: 43
          Nonsense. So "undermined" that the first to go into space. They began to undermine after Stalin. Under Brezhnev, this process stopped, and under Gorbi and Yeltsin, it took on disastrous proportions.
      2. +1
        5 March 2018 12: 46
        About the broken-down economy, you sell a foreign car, no good, when the people are starving, show off, and refuse to travel to Turkey.
        1. +2
          5 March 2018 15: 40
          And what is the advanced economy of Russia?
      3. +2
        5 March 2018 21: 18
        Quote: chenia
        Over 40 years (from 1918 to 1959) 70 million people were lost (demographic losses with the unborn and emigration). Priet was two warsGV and WWII. A powerful industrial state built is a superpower ..

        The entire leadership of the CSB was repressed for the 1937 census. Stalin did not like that the population is not growing. He said: “Who did this wrecking census? They must be severely punished. ”
        1. 0
          5 March 2018 22: 35
          Quote: RUSS
          Stalin did not like that the population is not growing


          Why didn’t it grow? Britain and France also grew and were significantly faster than the pace (and did they also have repression and hunger?).
          Moreover, abortion was prohibited in 1936 (previously it was already allowed in 1922), and the growth in the most repressive 1937 increased by a third.
    2. +7
      5 March 2018 11: 23
      Don’t worry, the bust of Nicholas the Bloody has already pacified, this is the beginning of purification. And, yes, for some reason, “drunkenness” and “debauchery” appeared for the most part after the collapse of the USSR, and not during, and even more so not during the time of Stalin. That's a paradox, isn't it?
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 11: 30
        Quote: Antivirus2k
        And, yes, for some reason "drunkenness" and "debauchery" appeared for the most part after the collapse of the USSR

        Well yes. And almost 6 million abortions in 1964 were to blame for Yeltsin and Gorbach. They didn’t educate, you know, liberals.
        1. +4
          5 March 2018 11: 49
          Quote: Fenrir49
          Well yes. And almost 6 million abortions in 1964 were to blame for Yeltsin and Gorbach.


          Ha Ha Ha. At least you would have looked at Vika - an increase 1960-1970 - 32 million people. by the way the largest during the USSR.
          And now? And without repression with complete crap.
          1. +2
            5 March 2018 13: 57
            If we leave aside the talking room about the Democrats, which again no one has any relation to, and return to the millions of annual abortions after they have been resolved in the 50s, is this an indication of the high spirituality of the Soviet woman brought up under the grace of Comrade Dzhugashvili?
            By the way, can you understand that Stalin is bad, this does not mean that modern Russian democracy is good? And vice versa is also true. In general, these concepts are in no way connected, and why do you always remember liberals and democrats as opposed to Stalin?
    3. +2
      5 March 2018 11: 44
      It’s time for you to grow up.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 14: 41
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        Is modern Russian democracy good?


        The modern democracy of France - three months before the election, the Rothschilds created a party and appointed a leader. And he expectedly won. Clear business choice of the people.
        1. +2
          6 March 2018 16: 52
          That's it.
    4. +1
      5 March 2018 14: 30
      Nonsense is complete, even Chercell called him a Russian nationalist. And a lot of Russians fell, because there were a lot of those in state bodies and party organs, which he then “cleaned up” over the years, so they and their descendants hate Stalin.
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 14: 48
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        even Chercell called him a Russian nationalist.

        Even Chercell? smile And that he is a great authority for you? Do you have a portrait of his house?
        Well then, here are Churchill's reliable words:
        For many years, Stalin was the dictator of Russia, and the more I studied his career, the more shocking I was at the terrible mistakes he made, and the extreme cruelty towards the people and masses that he controlled.

        And as for the Russian nationalist - I believe that Churchill would not have distinguished a Yakut from a Russian. What Russian nationalism is there ...
        1. +1
          6 March 2018 20: 18
          You do not study the propaganda sivuha of liberal counterfeiters and do not listen to the radio offices of Germany, read the works of And Stalin in the Soviet edition. Reliable words Churchill Stalin took the country with Sakha and left with a nuclear bomb and loved the Armenian brandy three stars. Regarding Stalin’s mistakes and extreme cruelty, neither Churchill should read his Fultanovsky speech as Truman dropped nuclear bombs on Japan to intimidate the USSR. Regarding repressions, read what state the country was after the Civil War and the Entente, which attacked the country like a hungry hyena. It took tremendous efforts to raise the country There were plenty of enemies of the Secular authorities without tough measures and a rigid vertical of power. The country could not be sabotaged and the authorities resisted until 19 years left before the start of the war with fascist Germany. Liberal democrats engaged in Anglo-Saxon values ​​washed the brains of youth Ivanov who do not remember kinship In the Great Patriotic War, we lost 20 million of them 9 million military losses the rest are civilian The figures that liberal propaganda on repression put in are intentional lies In the 1970s, I worked in Kolyma at that time it was former camps as the Gulag is now fashionable and I found those former prisoners and not about Dean did not say that Joseph Stalin was sitting there for nothing. You can safely compare it with the rulers of the Great Empire, which WE lost when Judas turned out to be traitors, which for the whole existence of the millennial Empire never existed even in the most seemingly critical death times.
          Soviet pensioner
  26. +7
    5 March 2018 09: 53
    Now Stalin among the people is a symbol of justice and order.
    The more corruption, bribery and burglarism will be in Russia, the higher will be the rating of I.V. Stalin.
    1. +3
      5 March 2018 10: 13
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Now Stalin among the people is a symbol of justice and order.

      Now Stalin in Russia has turned into a meme, especially among young people, a kind of superhero from the past, and no more ....
      1. +4
        5 March 2018 11: 25
        Youth is easier. I don’t see anything wrong with that. They will grow up - they will study better (if the USE does not repulse their thirst for knowledge). Moreover, he was a “superhero,” if you weigh everything that he did for the country.
      2. +5
        5 March 2018 11: 38
        And he was a superhero. And without any quotes.
        1. +1
          5 March 2018 12: 46
          And he was a superhero. And without any quotes.

          Yeah, "horror flying on the wings of the night," and so on ...
          1. +3
            5 March 2018 15: 38
            For some, horror. It would be nice that even for some people it would be horrifying to leave us so that we don’t sleep peacefully at night. But it’s better to cut the forest in Kolyma.
        2. +2
          5 March 2018 14: 17
          Stalin is a superhero for people who are used to living on handouts from the state. Their whole life is the expectation of a pension, allowance, beggarly salary. They are completely devoid of initiative and enterprise. The wife scolds, they failed to raise children, they do not believe in God.
          These are the fruits of the Soviet system.
          We must seek solace somewhere. Where is the wimp seeking solace? Naturally in the heroic past, to which he actually has no relation. He sculpts a mustachioed booby for himself, ascribes numerous virtues to him, and begins to bow.
          1. 0
            5 March 2018 15: 42
            Quote: Fenrir49
            Stalin is a superhero for people who are used to living on handouts from the state. Their whole life is the expectation of a pension, allowance, beggarly salary. They are completely devoid of initiative and enterprise. The wife scolds, they failed to raise children, they do not believe in God.
            These are the fruits of the Soviet system.
            We must seek solace somewhere. Where is the wimp seeking solace? Naturally in the heroic past, to which he actually has no relation. He sculpts a mustachioed booby for himself, ascribes numerous virtues to him, and begins to bow.

            That's right, as I said earlier, the Soviet government corrupted the Russian people.
            1. 0
              5 March 2018 16: 01
              Quote: RUSS
              That's right, as I said earlier, the Soviet government corrupted the Russian people.

              I am very glad that we independently came to the same opinion. It is nice to see a bright ray of common sense among the darkness of the Stalinists around us. hi
    2. +6
      5 March 2018 11: 40
      Right The more I see the injustice of our lives, arrogance, arrogance, lawlessness, theft of officials and wealthy cats, the more I become a Stalinist.
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 12: 51
        rich cats

        Not true! We are seals, mostly in garbage dumps and basements, among us there are very few "rich cats" —this are probably those who live with wealthy people, but they also .... they cut eggs. sad
      2. +1
        5 March 2018 15: 44
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        Right The more I see the injustice of our lives, arrogance, arrogance, lawlessness, theft of officials and wealthy cats, the more I become a Stalinist.

        Initially, it sounded like this: "The more I get to know people, the more I love dogs."
        laughing
      3. 0
        7 March 2018 16: 43
        and rich cats

        Probably you mean cattle?
  27. +6
    5 March 2018 10: 25
    The tyrant tortured, imprisoned, spread rot in the camps and construction sites of the century .... while the country's population grew and increased ... Gorbach came with perestroika and democrats-liberators from tyranny and the population has been decreasing and decreasing ever since ... Over the past 20 years, how many people have perished in the territory of the former USSR? Died in military conflicts, gang warfare, drug addiction and alcohol? How many people just weren't born? Does the author of this article really consider these deaths a better fate than deaths during the time of Stalin?
    1. +2
      5 March 2018 10: 42
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      The tyrant tortured, imprisoned, spread rot in the camps and construction sites of the century .... while the country's population grew and grew ... Gorbach came with perestroika

      The population is not growing at the expense of the Stalin, Gorbachev or mat. capital with other benefits. It grows at the expense of peasants in villages and villages. The proletarians with the intellectuals give little birth to even their wealth. In addition, the peasants are the suppliers of the highest quality soldiers to the army.
      Dzhugashvili and his accomplices gave the peasants strong heat, thanks to which it had already lived under Gorbachev’s life. And already lived. This is where the birth rate comes from.
      So everything is simple: there was a peasantry - there was an increase, the peasantry did not become - there is no population growth.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 10: 50
        It’s hard for a moron to understand the meaning of what he read: “A tyrant tortured, imprisoned, spread rot in the camps and construction sites of the century .... but the country's population grew and grew” and “Gorbach came with perestroika and democrats-liberators from tyranny and the population has since decreases and decreases .... "
      2. +6
        5 March 2018 11: 27
        And, so that the peasantry collapsed under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, is this also Stalin? Yeah, there it is. You should be treated with current.
        1. +2
          5 March 2018 11: 37
          Quote: Antivirus2k
          And, the fact that the peasantry collapsed under Gorbachev and Yeltsin is also Stalin

          In fact, it began to fall apart already in the 30s. When the people moved from the villages to the proletariat. And irresistibly torn to the end of owls. authorities. My parents left collective farms in the city in the late 50s and early 60s. When the happy opportunity fell. And under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, everyone was already leaving, and the rest drank cologne. I saw it myself.
          1. +5
            5 March 2018 12: 44
            In fact, the people are fed into the proletariat when they have nothing to do in the village, and when the village develops technically, the need for people in it only falls, which is observed in all developed countries. But in the 30s, this process was controlled, and not with the filling of city slums with the masses of former peasants, who had nowhere to go, as it was all over the world when the planter bought tractors with combines and sent most of the workers to ... free bread.

            But what one drunkard remained in the village is yes, I don’t know how the Russian peasant, but I can’t stand the late Soviet spirit: I’m stupid, lazy, greedy, drinks hard and thinks that there is no need to work in the city.
            1. +2
              5 March 2018 13: 53
              Quote: EvilLion
              But in the 30s this process was controlled, and not with the filling of urban slums with the masses of former peasants,

              And with the filling of numerous camps, places of transfer, etc. Mass fertilizer of soil with human remains. Here is the grace that spread in Russia ...
              1. +1
                5 March 2018 15: 29
                Quote: Fenrir49
                And with the filling of numerous camps, places of transfer, etc. Mass fertilizer of soil with human remains. Here is grace, then spilled over in Russia ..

                But MANAGED lol Yes
                For them, this is the main thing. fool
      3. +9
        5 March 2018 11: 37
        What "heat"? Do you even know that before the war there were another million private households in the countryside? The fantasy that the peasantry was destroyed by dispossession is for the illiterate inhabitants.
        It was not Stalin who finished off the peasantry, but Khrushchev, who, along with other tomfoolery in agriculture, decided that the peasant did not need his own farmstead, that he should be provided exclusively at the expense of the collective farm.
        I cut the plots along the very windows, and taxed every tree and every bush.
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        2. +4
          5 March 2018 13: 10
          Like yes. This is the myth of the "townspeople" that the peasantry was "dying" under Soviet rule. Everything depended on the "form of ownership" —the state farm, collective farm, and in many respects from those who managed these farms, how hard-working and “punchy” they were. In the 80s, we had a quite successful collective farm (in the Krasnodar Territory), and paved the asphalt road, and gas was brought into each house and the river was constantly cleaned and the “masonry” was changed to bridges, etc. In addition, we had 2 gardens in the courtyard -oba 24 acres, a garden, greenhouses, cattle, pigs, a cow with a calf, goats, geese, ducks, indocurs feed were received from the collective farm. By the way, they handed over the products grown in the farm to “cooperation” at quite reasonable prices. There was a car- “Muscovite-412 (or 416? I don’t remember anymore), a Dnepr motorcycle with a sidecar and an ant scooter. Everyone had mopeds since childhood. But our relatives lived in the city unlike poorer wages process engineer or locksmith of the 4th category, then you won’t especially joke ....
        3. +2
          5 March 2018 14: 05
          Quote: Tula gingerbread
          I cut the plots along the very windows, and taxed every tree and every bush.

          You cheat either out of ignorance or out of habit. But this is an indicator of the level of fans of Dzhugashvili and the Communists in general. Your lies have become the main weapon since the 17th year.
          My grandfather, when he came from the front, cut down all the apple trees so as not to pay tax. He probably did not know that Khrushchev had already tried immediately after the war.
          The tax on garden trees was introduced back in 1931, then it was raised in 1945.
          The peasant was taxed in kind as under serfdom - to surrender pork skin, so many eggs, etc. Each year.
          And I know this not from books, but from eyewitnesses - all my relatives left the collective farms.
          Then there was a joke about the collective farmer who handed over the hide, passed the fat, and the eggs were still in place.
          1. +2
            5 March 2018 15: 28
            Wow, what poor peasants were on the collective farms! That during WWII, registered tanks and planes were brought into the army. Was it so stifled by taxes that they could allocate 100 tyr to a couple of tanks? A gift from the Red Army from the collective farmer Stepan Alishkin ”, which contributed 125 thousand rubles. This is so for example, and such poor collective farmers are strangled by hundreds of taxes! So there is no need to fool around here. I repeat once again, the collective farmers became ill only under Khrushchev
            1. +2
              5 March 2018 15: 37
              Quote: Nehist
              A gift from the Red Army from the collective farmer Stepan Alishkin ”, which contributed 125 thousand rubles. This is so for example, and such poor collective farmers are strangled by taxes hundreds

              This is a fable, like the one that "life has become better and life has become more fun" and about the fact that "we will smash the enemy on its territory and with little blood." In these many fables, the Soviet system was held.
              What - what, and the Communists were able to exemplify beautifully shake their tongue. Well, and still pouring people's blood, like water, rob someone else's and Negroes with Arabs send billions of rubles .. 70 years on this and held on.
              1. +3
                6 March 2018 16: 47
                According to the results of the All-Union referendum in 1991, 78% voted for the preservation of the USSR, yes! You’ll tell the rest to Olegovich ... he’s such fables that you’re composing here, he’ll listen with pleasure, you will scare each other with “commies” and maybe they will become interesting to Solzhenitsyn’s wife, she will then hand them over to the publication under the title “The Gulag not published”.
                1. 0
                  6 March 2018 18: 30
                  Quote: Mstivoy
                  You will tell the rest to Olegovich ... he is such fables that you compose here, he will listen with pleasure

                  Goluba, have you stopped drinking cologne in the morning?
                  1. +2
                    6 March 2018 18: 33
                    "Goluba" This is to his mom.
                    1. 0
                      6 March 2018 21: 37
                      Quote: Mstivoy
                      "Goluba" This is to his mom.

                      And you are so polite, it’s immediately noticeable that you are a real proletarian.
                      Connect with other proletarians or have you connected with everyone else? lol
                      1. +2
                        7 March 2018 10: 16
                        What is the meaning of that nonsense that you write, I don’t know, you must think you are very witty, forced to disappoint you, but these are just illusions ...
            2. +2
              6 March 2018 13: 30
              Quote: Nehist
              This is so for example, and such poor collective farmers are strangled by hundreds of taxes! So there is no need to fool around here. I repeat once again, the collective farmers became ill only under Khrushchev



              Stalin robbed the rural population - either on the collective farm and take everything away either to the camp or death.
              They worked on a collective farm not for money, but for workdays - for sticks - that is, for free. So that it would be impossible to escape from the collective farm - they wouldn’t be given out passports - such penal servitude without the possibility of its end is only “forward kicking”.
              And the tanks were collected from the "workdays"

              In October 1942, members of the collective farm "Struggle for the commune" p. Salaryevo Kuntsevsky district of the Moscow region at a general meeting, they decided to buy the tank at their own expense and “keep its crew until the end of the war.” The Salaryevites appealed to the collective farmers of the region to organize a fundraiser for the construction of the tank column "Kuntsevsky collective farmer", and they themselves decided to deduct 5 rubles for the construction of the tank. (at that time) from a workday, which amounted to 165 thousand rubles.


              That is, they did not have cash.
              At a general meeting on the collective farm "Way of Ilyich" der. Brateevo of the Leninsky district on November 13 collective farmer K. E. Grankina proposed to bring to the tank column at the expense of the collective farm and all collective farmers 200 thousand rubles. She said: "We will not regret anything for our country." She was supported by A. I. Rodina, whose husband heroically died in the struggle against the fascist invaders. Members of the agricultural cartel “Ilyich’s Way” decided to deduct 5 rubles for the construction of tanks. from workday. On the collective farm "6th anniversary of the death of Lenin" der. Batyunino of the Leninsky district, it was decided to contribute 350 thousand for the construction of tanks at the expense of the collective farm and collective farmers


              All these thousands of rubles are free labor of collective farmers.
              Almost no one had cash!
          2. 0
            6 March 2018 05: 57
            Moldova gained its current borders after the inclusion of Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertz region in the USSR in 1940. And claims for 1931 - to Romania.
            1. 0
              6 March 2018 09: 05
              Quote: Sanya Tersky
              Moldova gained its current borders after the inclusion of Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertz region in the USSR in 1940. And claims for 1931 - to Romania.

              Comrade, I have nothing to do with Moldova and Romania. I have not even been there ever.
          3. +1
            6 March 2018 16: 55
            I’m from the countryside, that very part of the Tula region, which is not a black earth. So, it’s not for you to teach me.
            1. 0
              6 March 2018 18: 29
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              I’m from the countryside, that very part of the Tula region, which is not a black earth. So, it’s not for you to teach me.

              Well, if you know, it turns out that you are simply lying genuinely in Stalinist style, in Bolshevik style. I congratulate you, citizen, deceit wink
  28. +4
    5 March 2018 10: 53
    What does the author of the article smoke? The reckless exaltation of Stalin, as well as bourgeois "de-Stalinization" (and in fact "de-communization") gives nothing to understand what was happening in the country from the 24th to the 53rd. It is not the abstract Stalin that needs to be disassembled, but his actions (and the actions of the party and Soviet leadership as a collective body) throughout life and in relation to a specific situation. And give assessments appropriate. Moreover, from class positions. Stalin was the leader of the Communist Party and the socialist state, so the score for him is higher than for any Napoleon.
    1. +6
      5 March 2018 10: 58
      Nobody magnifies Stalin, they place honors on him and remember the name of this man with gratitude to millions of people. Stalin is forever inscribed in history as the greatest leader not only of the USSR, but also as a statesman in general.
    2. 0
      5 March 2018 12: 45
      The head of state was actually Kalinin.
      1. +1
        5 March 2018 15: 35
        Nothing like this. Who was Lenin? The head of government. SNK. Those. the head of the executive branch.
        In the same way, Stalin, in addition to the General Secretary’s position, held the post of Prime Minister and she was the main.
        The same Malenkov, the successor to Stalin, was also the head of the government.
        The dominance of the party apparatus was under Khrushchev, who, incidentally, also, besides the post of First Secretary of the Central Committee, also held the post of prescript.
    3. 0
      5 March 2018 15: 45
      Quote: Vitaly Pastukhov
      What does the author of the article smoke?

      I have been asking this question for a couple of years.
  29. +2
    5 March 2018 11: 01
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    The tyrant tortured, imprisoned, spread rot in the camps and construction sites of the century .... and the population of the country at the same time grew and increased ...

    Denis, if you are guided by population growth, as an indicator of the country's prosperity (and this is to a large extent really an indicator), then in fairness it must be said that you must be a big fan of the Russian Empire! At what rate did the Russian population grow at that time ...))) So, what can you change the symbol on the avatar ?!) Let's say the crown of the Russian Empire? AND?)
    1. +3
      5 March 2018 11: 08
      The only difference is that the leadership of the country, Stalin adopted after the Civil War and subsequently overcame the crisis after the Great Patriotic War.
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 11: 28
        You can bring a lot of differences completely opposite!))) I hope you understand this. If we consider this question from the position of words in a famous work that first you need to destroy everything, and then rebuild ... Then this is certainly not an easy job! It’s hard to call it a crisis! Firstly - do not build to break! And secondly, - something on the ruins that he built, as it were, and all the same well done!)
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 11: 40
          You are probably talking about the February Revolution of 1917, which practically ruined the country and, after the October Counter-Revolution, which helped to preserve the country, as well as the interventionist forces from 1918 to 1921. Are you talking about this? And about how they collectivized in order to feed the people? And about preparing for the Great Patriotic War? But Stalin already knew that the rise to power of Hitler in the 30s was the answer of the Western world to the October revolution ...
    2. +3
      5 March 2018 11: 31
      This is one of the indicators whether you like it or not. Although he is twofold. When there is nothing to eat, then the "extra mouth" will be created only by an unreasonable person, as, for example, some southern countries do this, multiplying like rabbits. But in the USSR, people had an excellent education and therefore gave birth not from dullness, but from confidence in the future. In the Republic of Ingushetia they gave birth just for the same reasons why the “southerners” are giving birth now - total illiteracy among the general population and life at the level of instincts.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 12: 38
        Those. in the Russian Empire, people were illiterate and the birth rate was growing!) In the USSR, there were literate and the birth rate was also growing!))))) Murderous logic! That is, the only joy for the common people in the Russian Empire was to barely drag their feet home after hard slave labor and ... at the level of instincts to close up another child !!!)))))))) Well, at least the men were healthy agree! !))))) And the food is all the same ... From starvation to 5-8 or even 10 children you don’t particularly shave ?! And to give birth again ... So the women had something to eat, as you put it! In general, Antivirus, tell me something else ?!)
        1. +1
          5 March 2018 15: 30
          Forget that abortion was forbidden by the church.
  30. +1
    5 March 2018 11: 07
    In “democratic Russia”, created in 1991-1993, he was declared a maniac and a bloody dictator
    Did the author hear anything about the XNUMXth Congress ???
    1. +4
      5 March 2018 11: 28
      For this, the Communists have not yet laundered themselves.
  31. +6
    5 March 2018 11: 09
    What a pity that for the comments you can only put the pros, but there are no minuses.
  32. 0
    5 March 2018 11: 10
    The Chinese love Stalin
    1. +9
      5 March 2018 11: 13
      All adequate people respect Stalin, even his opponents and only bedbugs are trying to breed their stench around the name of this person.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 13: 26
        Quote: Mstivoy
        All adequate people respect Stalin, even his opponents and only bedbugs are trying to breed their stench around the name of this person.


        Everywhere in the world, Stalin is recognized as a tyrant, destroying his people and the NKVD with its triples, the Gulag with its camps and monstrous mortality is lawlessness, which did not give a chance to an innocently accused or slandered anonymous person - to protect his rights.
        In China, both Mao and Stalin are recognized as tyrants.
        1. +3
          6 March 2018 13: 50
          Only in the capitalist world is it recognized as a tyrant, because socialism is the creation and is the end of capitalism, and as you know capitalism is the germ of fascism ... Stalin in Russia is recognized by the people as an outstanding politician and statesman and the opinion of the flayers from the Western world is of little interest to the Russian population.
          1. +1
            6 March 2018 14: 25
            Quote: Mstivoy
            Stalin in Russia is recognized by people as an outstanding politician and statesman

            Even in the post-Stalin USSR, Dzhugashvili was recognized as a scoundrel. And even in Russia, and even more so.
            You do not give out your wet fanatasia for truth.
            1. +3
              6 March 2018 16: 15
              A survey on the topic of outstanding leaders in the history of Russia shows the opposite, Stalin took first place, so you can report to your employer "The peoples of Russia respect and honor the memory of Stalin as before." With regards to the leaders of the USSR after Stalin, ahaha it’s very funny, still joking, are you talking about Brezhnev and Khrushchev? The idiots who ruined the country? Of course, they will condemn the one who built it all, their snout in the lint ...
          2. +1
            7 March 2018 12: 05
            Quote: Mstivoy
            . Stalin in Russia is recognized by people as an outstanding politician and statesman


            Well, go outside - ask the people ...
            If you don’t get it by the snot, it means that you have met a fellow believer - the same inveterate jugashvili.

            Quote: Mstivoy
            as you know, capitalism is the germ of fascism.

            guessed it yourself?

            Quote: Mstivoy
            how socialism is creation and is the end of capitalism

            Judging by the USSR and the PRC, socialism has died, capitalism has come ...

            Quote: Mstivoy
            opinion of flayers from the Western world, the population of Russia is of little interest.

            What a "bloated ego", consider yourself the only representative of the Russian population ...
            That says a lot about your psychotype.
    2. 0
      5 March 2018 12: 39
      Rather, they are very much respected as a person who did well to them and did not forget about their own. In general, I did business with them honestly.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 11: 52
        Once, according to the results of voting on outstanding statesmen, Stalin won, therefore, Stalin did a lot of good for millions of people.
        1. 0
          6 March 2018 14: 28
          Quote: Mstivoy
          Once, according to the results of voting on outstanding statesmen, Stalin won, therefore, Stalin did a lot of good for millions of people.

          Those tens of millions of people whom his regime destroyed could no longer vote.
          Could not vote and those who were eyewitnesses of all this.
          Ivana voted. Not remembering kinship. And sciences, in particular, stories that do not know.
          1. +3
            6 March 2018 16: 24
            All those who lived under Stalin and those who are still in good health say the same thing, they remember and honor Stalin, and who are you to speak for all those people, and even more so for the peoples of Russia ... Tens of millions of people are destroyed by Western civilization all over the planet, to them all the questions on this subject ...
            1. 0
              8 March 2018 22: 43
              Quote: Mstivoy
              All those who lived under Stalin and those who are still in perfect health say the same thing, they remember and honor Stalin,

              Yes, there are still enough unhealthy. But they are less and less.
              Quote: Mstivoy
              Tens of millions of people are destroyed by Western civilization across the planet

              I do not care about the whole planet and its population. I am interested in Russia and its population.
              And this is just what you should be interested in. But in the USSR, everything is different. Because scoops only rogue "friends" (there were no others) and were interested. They kept, fed, watered. All due to the impoverished population of Russia.
  33. +2
    5 March 2018 11: 13
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: To be or not to be
    When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on

    According to veterans, the housing issue has only recently been resolved, and half of the country still lives in Soviet huts, now it’s true that they are being resettled


    Under Stalin, 30-40 years ago, everyone would be resettled.
  34. +3
    5 March 2018 11: 21
    Stalin was a real leader - not a couple of the current pygmies!
    1. +2
      5 March 2018 11: 54
      Quote: Yuri Siroshtan
      Stalin was a real leader

      Did he have a leopard-skin cape and a beautiful headdress of rare bird feathers?
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 12: 38
        There are no “tigers” and “panthers” burnt out under the “Kursk” and not only from the armor.
        1. +3
          5 March 2018 13: 13
          Quote: EvilLion
          There are no “tigers” and “panthers” burned out under the “Kursk”

          And he didn’t use the armor of the T-34 and T-70? They burned there much more. Factor of.
          1. +3
            6 March 2018 16: 56
            Great joy for a liberal, right?
      2. +3
        5 March 2018 14: 38
        But what does the Führer sound better, more "civilized" than the leader, huh? But this word has the same meaning, and I believe that fastening elements are necessary for our country, which is huge and diverse, including the leader, it is better. than officer number one.
        1. 0
          5 March 2018 16: 27
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          But what does the Führer sound better, more "civilized" than the leader, huh?

          You’ll ask the Germans.
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          But this word has the same meaning

          I don’t know German. He is unnecessary to me.
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          fastening elements are needed, including the leader

          What "fastening elements in the form of a leader" is needed will not last long. Learn the story.
      3. +3
        5 March 2018 15: 29
        Well, it’s better than your clown hat.
      4. +2
        6 March 2018 11: 55
        In itself, the word leader does not mean any cloaks of leopard skins and headdresses of bird feathers, it is only your fantasy of an ignorant person who draws these images. A leader is a leader no more no less.
  35. +8
    5 March 2018 11: 24
    Yes, Stalin is a great man. Not surprisingly, after his death, the jackal mocked at his memory, all the more so because the State Department paid well for it.
    1. +8
      5 March 2018 11: 28
      I assure you, many who water Stalin with slop, do it on their own initiative, either from among people interested in personal gain or because of inborn stupidity.
    2. +1
      5 March 2018 15: 48
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Yes, Stalin is a great man. Not surprisingly, after his death, the jackal mocked at his memory, all the more so because the State Department paid well for it.

      Listen to the topic about the "State Department salary" is already out of date, this is ridiculous.
      1. +3
        6 March 2018 13: 32
        The State Department salary is not funny, these are the realities of our interlocutors, under the pretext of writing in Russian, trying to impersonate the population of Russia, trying to discredit the outstanding sons of their homeland.
  36. +3
    5 March 2018 11: 26
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    Why hate Stalin

    Because there are decent and intelligent people who understand what Dzhugashvili really did with Russia.
    You can describe the crimes of this ghoul for a long time. But if briefly, than Dzhugashvili with his "socialism", it would be better if some kind of pestilence attacked Russia. The bubonic plague. In any case, the losses would be less.
    But no. Everything went according to the worst of all possible options.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    great national leader Joseph Stalin

    I read it, and I plunged into shit with my head.
    I will not read further. That was enough.
    1. +7
      5 March 2018 11: 29
      You don’t even have to try. The truth from you, as from the coffers of milk, all one can not wait.
      1. +4
        5 March 2018 15: 27
        He clearly wrote that he was in a liberal house with his head. What else can you expect from him.
        This is what a madman you need to be in order to dream so that Russia will die out from the plague.
        Is this a man? Inhumans. Liberal non-humans, they created pestilence in the nineties, when without wars and revolutions the country lost 8 million inhabitants. They open their mouths again.
    2. +3
      5 March 2018 14: 43
      They are especially well understood in the West. he did it, and that’s why he and he were poured with dirt here and there, along with the servants of the West, some for pay and selfish interests, some at the call of the soul, fiercely hating the principles of truth and justice.
      1. 0
        5 March 2018 16: 32
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        .

        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        .

        Quote: Nitochkin
        .

        "Around the enemies" came running. Fat herd. We memorized a set of phrases 50 years ago, and they are now muttering without interruption. With and without him. It's empty in my head.
        1. +2
          5 March 2018 17: 01
          Ha ha ha Pot calls the kettle black.
  37. +10
    5 March 2018 11: 27
    Quote: antivirus
    war on one’s territory or on another’s - then the main thing in this dispute
    and the role of the IVS-Molotov-Zhukov is not tied

    And there is no dispute. These victims of our people are on the conscience of fascism, on the conscience of Hitler, and the West in a broader sense, and not on the conscience of Stalin
  38. +1
    5 March 2018 11: 27
    Quote: seal78
    These are simple Russian schoolchildren

    Pechuro, Gurevich, Slutsky, Furman - what wonderful русские last name)

    ... * Jews, Jews, Jews alone ... .. * - the invasion of the God-chosen in 1917 and their seizure of power in the Empire, well, could not end with anything good ..
  39. +6
    5 March 2018 11: 27
    Here, by the way, is the story of my family. Grandfather served seven years before the war, under the article "three ears of wheat." The war began, went to the front, a tankman. He was seriously injured and the order. After the war, he and his grandmother moved to Moscow, a grandmother of a completely peasant origin, weaned at FZU, and worked as a “steam engine engineer”, built Luzhniki and a hotel in Russia. In the late 50s they were given a separate apartment. My mother, that is, the daughter of the workers, received two higher education, later worked in the Komsomol, and then in the party system.
    That is, a social elevator in action. And all this thanks to the Soviet government. And comrade To Stalin, who built, albeit with some flaws and excesses, this power.
    1. +4
      5 March 2018 11: 43
      Quote: Eli Bogart
      Grandfather served seven years before the war, under the article "three ears of wheat."

      It does not bother?
      Do you want to spit on your grandfather?
      Quote: Eli Bogart
      He was seriously injured and the order.

      And the order? This changes the matter. Immediately obvious, the gratitude of the Bolsheviks had no boundaries.
      Quote: Eli Bogart
      In the late 50s they were given a separate apartment.

      Yeltsin gave them a separate apartment. In the 90s.
      And in the 50s they were given the right to rent apartments from the state (from Dzhugashvili or from the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, because this was called the state at different times of the USSR). And for poor behavior, the rights of this lease could be deprived at any time. Throwing into the street.
      Quote: Eli Bogart
      received two higher educations

      Two higher educations do not exist. There are higher education in two specialties.

      Here they are, these "Soviet specialists with higher education." There are papers in the pockets, but there is no elementary knowledge.
      1. +8
        5 March 2018 12: 03
        All your abomination is not enough to spoil what was created by Soviet specialists and engineers. Do not try, we know the price of Soviet higher education.
      2. +1
        5 March 2018 14: 51
        It should not be annoying, because it is understood, perhaps, and not entirely realized, that without this article, compelled, there would not have been anything subsequent for the country, they understand, unlike many liberals, Western minions who do not understand. or pretend they don’t understand. But these experts brought the country to the second place in the world in terms of GDP, and today, like the tsarist era, with GDP of less than 2% of the world’s, this is why you hate Stalin.
        1. +1
          5 March 2018 16: 18
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          It should not strain, because they understand, maybe

          Those. Are you ready now to go to some Novaya Zemlya in a freight car and settle there in a clean field with food by sea and rutabaga and then burrowing into the ground there, if this may be (or maybe not) for the happiness of future generations?
        2. +2
          5 March 2018 17: 43
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          But these experts brought the country to second place in the world in terms of GDP,

          Well, the nonsense is obvious. There was a permanent famine in the country. The population did not have pants. In the villages in bast shoes went. And this somewhere somewhere second in the world in terms of GDP was discovered.
          1. +1
            5 March 2018 20: 29
            There are statistics on the main indicators that were in second place in the world in terms of GDP, why I will not repeat the low standard of living, it’s useless for those who hate the Stalin period and Stalin, it’s not a zombie, they still won’t see the difference in conditions of the post-war development between the USSR, which was in ruins, and to which, moreover, a nuclear arms race was imposed, and the United States, which on military supplies was swollen from gold, like a spider from blood.
        3. +1
          5 March 2018 17: 46
          Enlighten
          1. +4
            5 March 2018 17: 51
            I run into a ban, but I will not be silent. From then on you are dark.
          2. +6
            5 March 2018 20: 31
            Dumb and primitive anti-Soviet propaganda, greetings to you from Goebbels, well understood his methods.
      3. +7
        5 March 2018 15: 24
        In delirium. And I thought that people were already eating Svanidze nonsense. It turns out that they were still not cured.
        Boy, it’s now easily thrown out of apartments, in the USSR it was simply impossible.
        1. 0
          5 March 2018 16: 35
          Quote: Nitochkin
          .

          Quote: Svidetel 45
          .

          Quote: Tula gingerbread
          .

          The composition of the sectarians of the totalitarian sect is the same. Apparently they do not go alone.
          And rightly so, you need to look after each other. To reveal treason on time. Detect counter.
          Feels old school.
      4. +1
        5 March 2018 16: 13
        Quote: wer2
        It does not bother?
        Do you want to spit on your grandfather?

        Well written smile
      5. +3
        5 March 2018 18: 35
        And for poor behavior, the rights of this lease could be deprived at any time. Throwing into the street.

        It's just the opposite. They are throwing them out onto the street now: for debts, for an unpaid loan, and just forging documents. In the USSR, I do not remember more than one such case.

        Here they are, these "Soviet specialists with higher education." There are papers in the pockets, but there is no elementary knowledge.

        This also applies to today: people buy education - people are afraid to go to the hospital. There are diplomas, but no mind.
  40. +2
    5 March 2018 11: 34
    Why only the Second World War, at first, under the leadership of Stalin, our people won the Great Patriotic War.
    1. +1
      5 March 2018 11: 51
      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
      Why only the Second World War, first under the leadership of Stalin, our people defeated the Great Patriotic War.

      The Great Patriotic War or the Second World War or just the Soviet-German war of 1941 ended on September 27, 1941 with the entry of the USSR into the anti-Hitler coalition. Those. the entry of the USSR into WWII on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. Starting from this day, the USSR fought in WW2. And in the end he became one of the winners in 2MB.
      The course of hostilities from 22.06/27.09.1941 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX for the USSR can be called victorious?
      1. +2
        5 March 2018 11: 59
        No, but what after September 27.09.1941, XNUMX for the USSR has something changed a lot?
        1. +1
          5 March 2018 12: 02
          Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
          and what after September 27.09.1941, XNUMX for the USSR has something changed a lot?

          Of course. It has changed in the most fundamental way.
          Strange you asked a question.
          1. +5
            5 March 2018 12: 09
            I agree, a strange question was originally asked by you. For me, there are divisions between World War II and World War II, when Soviet people defended their country under the leadership of Stalin. And when, it became clear that Hitler could not make a blitzkrieg of the Anglo-Saxons and threw him.
            1. +2
              5 March 2018 12: 25
              Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
              Soviet people have become

              Here you are right as never before. It was the Soviet people who stood up. With the rest of the inhabitants of the USSR, everything was complicated. And everyone has different ways.
              Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
              to protect your country

              Yes, many of them thought they were so zombified that this is their country. In fact, it was the country of Dzhugashvili. She belonged to him with all the giblets. And for three Dzhugashvilevsky spikelets of an ordinary "owner of the country" they could easily slap.
              Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
              And when, it became clear that Hitler could not make a blitzkrieg of the Anglo-Saxons and threw him.

              Where did you study history? At a working youth school?
              The Britons officially fought with the Reich starting September 3, 1939. Around the same time, fighting in the Reich UNOFFICIALLY steel and the Yankees. Have you heard the story of the battleship Bismarck? So, they discovered him as if neutral Yankees. And then they handed over to the Britons. Who drowned him.
              1. +6
                5 March 2018 12: 37
                Clearly, you are the most, the most special))). Both at school and at the school of working youth, and this in your opinion how? Unofficially began to fight))), sorry, your answers are not constructive. Good luck.
                1. +2
                  5 March 2018 13: 21
                  Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                  Clearly, you are the most, the most special)

                  I'm glad you noticed that.
                  Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                  Unofficially began to fight

                  Yes, without declaring war.
                  For example, the Atlantic Charter, the main document of the anti-Hitler coalition, was signed by the US NEUTRAL on August 14.08.1941, XNUMX.
                  And the Lend-Lease program, according to which weapons and other military goods went from the USA, first to Britain, and later to the USSR and China, was adopted by the USA NEUTRAL on March 11.03.1941, XNUMX.
                  Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                  and in the school of working youth

                  It can be seen.
                  1. +2
                    5 March 2018 15: 13
                    And ..., and what about the Lend-Lease and military operations, the second front opened only in June 1944. Or do you imagine the USA / which are neutral and unofficial, you said, aptly))), so they still and lead in the world / the day after the start of World War II or even World War II, everyone was instantly made happy?
                    1. 0
                      5 March 2018 16: 42
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      and what does Lend-Lease and military action

                      Those. Do you think that the US entry into the anti-Hitler coalition is a German-friendly US act?
                      And the supply of arms and equipment by the opponents of Germany, too?
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      a second front was opened only in June 1944.

                      You do not know the story well.
                      The second front in the North. Africa was opened back in 1941.
                      If this front does not suit you in any way, the second front in Europe was opened in the summer of 1943 in Italy. As a result, Italy, Germany's most powerful ally in Europe, capitulated and withdrew from the war.
                      And in 1944 a third front was opened in Europe. And the fourth front, if you count with the front of 1941 in the North. Africa.
                      1. +2
                        5 March 2018 17: 58
                        For the USA, these are double standards, their business worked for Hitler before the war, and when Hitler was "repressed" by Stalin in 1945, German soldiers and specialists left for the USA and other countries. Thank you for recalling the knowledge of history, but the fisherman sees the fisherman from far away))). For the USSR, a second front was opened in June 1944. The Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad and the Battle of Kursk decided everything. The Soviet-German front in its length up to 6000 km is four times the total size of the North African, Italian and western front. And in depth?
                    2. +1
                      5 March 2018 18: 12
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      their business worked for Hitler before the war

                      Recall when the last train with goods for Germany crossed the Soviet-German border?
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      German soldiers and specialists left for the USA and other countries.

                      This is Schmeisser with a compass who "did nothing" in the USSR.

                      And such compasses after the war in the USSR were immeasurable. Specialists were in various fields of science and technology. And first of all, of course, in the field of rocket science.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      For the USSR, a second front was opened in June 1944.

                      Those. way out of the Italian war, is that so, garbage in vegetable oil? Where did you get this?
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      The Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad and the Battle of Kursk decided everything. The Soviet-German front in its length up to 6000 km is four times the total size of the North African, Italian and western front. And in depth?

                      The anti-Hitler coalition had a strict distribution of roles. Some sponsored and supplied the war with Germany. They received at the end of the war the lion's share of production.
                      Others "broke the ridge of the Nazi beast." Bearing tremendous losses. For a small fraction. Who subscribed to what. Then, 24.09.1941
                      1. +1
                        5 March 2018 18: 54
                        The Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and whoever helped them was a German engineer, and why they did this, the war was already won. What we had German experts that they wanted to say? We are geographically close and this is normal. The landing in Italy on the Eastern Front was not affected, unlike the landing in Normandy.
                    3. 0
                      5 March 2018 23: 55
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and who helped them, a German engineer

                      Yah? Was the last name Hitler?
                      Or was it an American with German roots? So they are all there with some kind of roots. Except the Indians.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      why did they do this, the war has already been won.

                      Who told you that?
                      Plus, you know, Americans appreciated the lives of their soldiers. Therefore, they did so.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      What we had German experts that they wanted to say?

                      By this I wanted to say that you wrote that they all left for the USA.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      The landing in Italy on the Eastern Front was not affected,

                      Those. what the Germans did not hold on the Eastern Front, but in Italy a powerful military group, is this garbage? From there, the SS Panzer Division was even recalled from near Kursk.
                      The fact that the Italians removed their troops from the USSR, is this garbage?
                      1. +1
                        6 March 2018 22: 19
                        The desire to show their true strength among the Americans overpowered mankind's feeling and only with two bombings destroyed a huge number of people and how much later died from radiation. This is a free nation from everything, and conscience, and honor, and morality. And they destroyed the Indians, several tribes remained. Who told me that the Americans dropped bombs when it was clear that Japan had lost, or have another explanation for their barbaric deed, how to understand such a question))). "Everyone left" did not write, do not invent, see the text! Different numbers in numbers between the Eastern Front and Italy, I repeat - the Eastern Front was four times the total dimensions of the North African, Italian and Western Front, the landing in 1943 did not affect the Eastern Front, this is a fact. And which division was removed from under Kusk, when and how many tanks were there? And then maybe she went lined for reformation. Yes, the Italians had a hard time in Russia, the Germans themselves did not trust them, read the memoirs of German generals.
                    4. 0
                      6 March 2018 22: 55
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      and only with two bombings destroyed a huge number of people and, how much later died from radiation.

                      Are you Japanese? They do not look like they are. And if not, then do not poke your nose where it is not needed. Let the Japanese think of the Japanese. And you would have to solve all things at home.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      And they destroyed the Indians, several tribes remained.

                      Are you indian They do not look like they are. And if not, then do not poke your nose where it is not needed. Let the Indians think about the Indians. And you would have to solve all things at home.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      I repeat - the Eastern Front was four times the total dimensions of the North African, Italian and Western Front

                      This is generally not interesting to anyone.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      the landing in 1943 did not affect the Eastern Front; this is a fact.

                      It's just a lie, the soldiers have never been superfluous.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      And which division was removed from under Kusk, when and how many tanks were there? And then maybe she’s gone

                      SS Division “Leibstandart.” She did not participate in battles on the Eastern Front.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      and the Italians had a hard time in Russia, the Germans themselves did not trust them, read the memoirs of German generals.

                      Trusted, not trusted. And these are soldiers. It may be worse than the Germans, but many tens of thousands of people. 130 thousand people were surrounded only by Stalingrad. Of these, 45 thousand from the environment left.
                      1. +2
                        7 March 2018 15: 01
                        I am Russian. What are you talking about? As an opponent you are completely over))).
                        1. When a bomb was created under Stalin, no one began to test it on civilians and the USSR, thanks to Stalin, was able to maintain its multinationality. 2. Briefly about the SS Panzer Division, she participated in the Battle of Kursk, there is more than enough material on the Internet. By July 5.07.1943, 50, it was 3% defeated and sent for reorganization, while the rest of it participated in the Battle of Kursk. XNUMX. The Italians, but why touch them. Conclusion: This is perhaps the end, I take my words back, forgive / mistakenly called a specialist /, you are none.
                    5. 0
                      7 March 2018 18: 08
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      I am Russian.

                      I do not know. I have already explained to you, the issue is not only and not so much in the pedigree. It is unique only for dogs.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      When a bomb was created under Stalin, nobody began to test it on civilians and the USSR thanks to Stalin was able to maintain its multinationality.

                      Read serious literature. They just tested it. Only not on the Japanese, but on the Soviet soldiers. On their own.
                      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
                      By 5.07.1943/50/XNUMX she was XNUMX% broken and sent for reformation

                      How is everything running?
                      I’ll tell you a secret thing, 05.07.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX the Kursk massacre has just begun.
                2. +3
                  5 March 2018 15: 20
                  Unconstructive? All the same retelling, Svanidze. B. Sokolova and other Melechins. In addition, illiteracy is just wild.
                  Well, however, this is the case with all liberals. The Yankees could not find the Bismarck because at that time they simply were not in the North Sea.
                  How the Yankees officially “fought” on 3.09.39 is also well known.
                  And all the same tales of Gozman-Albats, about the "three ears".
                  Though the law would have bothered to read, grandmas are bazaar.
              2. +2
                5 March 2018 20: 39
                You’re a zombie, but they fought for their own country, there were many among them who, to put it mildly. he didn’t really like Stalin, not everyone shared his methods, not everyone shared his ideology, but they went and, if necessary, perished for their own country. Here is extra evidence that pouring mud on Stalin, you mark not so much even into him, but generally into patriotism, the readiness to sacrifice the best representatives of the people.
            2. +7
              5 March 2018 12: 38
              Really? That right 27.09.1941 and threw it? But we thought it a sinful thing that the situation in November of 1941 was critical, and the situation was very difficult during the Stalingrad battle, when either side could win. And even near Kursk the Germans still had certain chances. The victory in the summer of 1943 in the vast occupied territories gave the Germans wonderful prospects, even in a resource war of attrition.

              And where do you come from ...
              1. +2
                5 March 2018 13: 25
                Quote: EvilLion
                And we thought a sinful thing

                Cheating. You can’t do this, nothing. Therefore, mutter annoyingly that they could still memorize once 50 years ago.
                There, by the way, is a mistake that you did not even notice due to your lack of education. Not 27.09.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, but November 24.09.1941, XNUMX
      2. +1
        5 March 2018 12: 06
        Everything is clear, you are raving. Only the reasons for the delirium are not clear.
      3. +2
        6 March 2018 12: 03
        What is the anti-Hitler coalition? The second front was opened in the 44th year, and before that, the entire army of fascist Europe, with the support of the USA and Great Britain, as well as Switzerland and the countries of Scandinavia, was rushing to us ...
        1. 0
          6 March 2018 14: 31
          Quote: Mstivoy
          What is the anti-Hitler coalition?

          That's because an ignoramus.
          Quote: Mstivoy
          The second front was opened in the 44th year,

          The second front was opened in 1941. If we consider only Europe, then in 1943
          That's because an ignoramus.
          Quote: Mstivoy
          and before that, the entire army of fascist Europe, with the support of the USA and Great Britain, as well as Switzerland and the countries of Scandinavia, was breaking into us ...

          Enchanting ignoramus. He knows nothing.
          1. +1
            6 March 2018 16: 31
            If we consider the infusion of money and funds by the Western coalition in Hitler’s military-political machine to be a “second front”, then yes, she did it much earlier than the 41st .. since the 30s, here you are right, and the second front is in fact, so as not to lose influence in Europe and have time to shelter war criminals on their territory, they opened only at 44m, a part of the unlearned learn.
    2. +3
      5 March 2018 12: 15
      Quote: Sergey Kiselev_01
      Why only the Second World War, at first, under the leadership of Stalin, our people won the Great Patriotic War.

      Not thanks, but contrary.
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      2. +2
        5 March 2018 12: 47
        And ... what are you talking about?
        1. +6
          5 March 2018 15: 15
          He probably wanted to say that Stalin at night, personally, letting the military echelons of the Red Army derail. Do not pay attention, the usual Svanidze-gosmanschanschina.
      3. +3
        5 March 2018 20: 47
        It’s not RUSS, you, Bandera’s, it was thanks to Stalin that you won, the initial period of failure was natural, you fought against the strongest European army, or rather, against all of Europe, Hitler dared France like a house of cards, and Stalin was not there. The Anglo-Saxons didn’t count, they were sitting on their island, and in Africa, Rommel’s 50 thousandth corps drove them to the end of 42 years as foxes of mice, and the Americans were engaged in showdowns on theater with the Japanese.
      4. +2
        6 March 2018 12: 04
        Only thanks to the insight of Stalin, who in the early 30s with the advent of Hitler to power, realized that there would be a war, we won this war.
        1. 0
          6 March 2018 14: 35
          Quote: Mstivoy
          we won this war.

          Learn the meaning of the word "won," ignoramus.
          At the cost of losing 20% ​​of the pre-war population, war can be defeated. You can participate in the victory in the war (as it was with the USSR in WW2). You can be defeated in a war.
          It is impossible to win from war with such losses in any of the cases.
          1. +2
            6 March 2018 16: 27
            Especially for donkeys like you, "We won this war" will do this? How much do you value your skin? At what price"? All those who died who fell on the battlefield did not bargain, they fought for the right to live and for the right to live to such cattle like you ...
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  41. +9
    5 March 2018 11: 43
    Attitude to Stalin is a kind of litmus, an indicator of the presence of progressive or degenerative inclinations in the essence of a human being.
    It is always easier to lie than to build; see flaws, not prospects; to think about others, and not about your beloved, without realizing that individualism always and everywhere led to degradation. Only a rush of masses led to progress, which before Lenin-Stalin, unfortunately, was always used by degenerate individualists.
    It is precisely this, a new variant of using the enthusiasm of the masses that they will not be forgiven, pouring mud even on their memory. Not realizing that they leave most of the dirt on them.
    1. +2
      5 March 2018 12: 07
      Quote: loaln
      Attitude to Stalin is a kind of litmus, an indicator of the presence of progressive or degenerative inclinations in the essence of a human being.

      You are right here. But only the exact opposite.
      Quote: loaln
      Only a rush of masses led to progress

      The gust of masses is good when you sit on a white stone and dream of getting rid of constipation. But the “impulse of the masses" has nothing to do with progress.
      And where did you see the "rush of the masses" under the Bolshevik Communists? This "impulse" was only in the Gulag. And even that, because otherwise they would have simply nailed.
      1. +1
        5 March 2018 12: 32
        2к18 in the yard, and they are all talking about the Gulag.
        1. +2
          5 March 2018 13: 28
          Quote: EvilLion
          2к18 in the yard, and they are all talking about the Gulag.

          And about the Gulag, and about Auschwitz. We tell about all crimes of non-people. Regardless of their "suit."
          1. +3
            6 March 2018 17: 06
            The Gulag is the Main Directorate of Forced Labor Camps, Auschwitz is a complex of German concentration camps and death camps. Only a swindler can compare a prison with death camps.
      2. +2
        5 March 2018 20: 49
        Well, yes, there was no rush of masses, and ordinary MV Rainer won 2 MV, oh, poor zombie.
        1. 0
          5 March 2018 23: 58
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          and 2 MV Private Rainer won

          Judging by the section of the fruits of victory, basically he. 3/4.
      3. +1
        6 March 2018 12: 08
        The breakthrough is captured in historical events such as the victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War and in preparation for it, as well as the impulse to restore the country after the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia and after the Second World War, a breakthrough in basic sciences and space exploration, and the GULAG chatter remains a chatter, no no evidence to the words of Solzhenitsyn ..
    2. +3
      5 March 2018 12: 16
      Quote: loaln
      Attitude to Stalin is a kind of litmus, an indicator of the presence of progressive or degenerative inclinations in the essence of a human being.

      Stalinists are people with a slavish mentality.
      1. +5
        5 March 2018 15: 39
        Bulk-crunches are human-like individuals with a cloven-hoofed mentality at the trough full of "nishtyaks."
      2. +4
        5 March 2018 20: 51
        And anti-Stalinists are people with the mentality of traders climbing into the race of “masters”.
      3. +3
        6 March 2018 12: 10
        The slave mentality is to constantly look into the mouth of the West and wait for its approval, and not to build a better life for yourself, under the sensitive and wise leadership of the Leader.
  42. +5
    5 March 2018 11: 56
    The most important thing is that a good third of the people sat in camps for far-fetched reasons and worked hard for the rest, thereby supporting the country at a tolerable level. And no achievements of science and technology are needed if people are rotting like microbes. And the victory in the Great Patriotic War rests entirely on the constant patriotism of the Russian people, regardless of changing leaders and living standards. And Stalin laid these patriots, not sparingly, throwing bodies at all enemy firing points, remember the massacre near Rzhev, where they stomped for a whole year.
    1. +8
      5 March 2018 12: 33
      Yes, yes, one half was sitting, and the other was guarding. What were your ancestors?

      About "popular patriotism", without the organized production of tanks, planes, guards and shells with organized going into battle at the army level of hundreds of thousands of people, you will tell only the descendants of Novodvorskaya. Normal people will doubt it.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 12: 12
        His ancestors were the Trotskyists who guarded and mocked the prisoners, who, however, were repressed for this very reason.
    2. +6
      5 March 2018 15: 12
      I have a simple question, just do not be offended. Why are you using a tool like the brain?
      To gain and comprehend knowledge, or to not whistle in the empty head in the wind?
      Do you know elementary arithmetic?
      Well, compare how many people a year spent on average in the camps, how many of them were used, on the construction sites of the national economy, how many able-bodied people were in the country during those same periods, and you get the result, how many percent of the created convicts could create.
      Do not dishonor yourself with such stupid statements - "a good third of the people sat in the camps for far-fetched reasons and worked for the rest for free, thereby supporting the country at a tolerable level."
      And then in your opinion it turns out that two-thirds of the population of the USSR were idle. Probably your grandparents, too.
      Respect yourself and use the brain for what God has given it to us.
    3. +2
      5 March 2018 20: 52
      You should have been ordered there, in a week you would have managed with the adversary, right?
  43. +4
    5 March 2018 12: 01
    Quote: Cheerful
    I am sad because in 2018 I have to prove to the Russian people the facts of the genocide of the Russian people by the Soviet government, as well as the facts of their robbery, moreover, twice - collectivization in 1930, monetary reform and privatization in 1991

    Oh, please tell us about privatization under the Soviet regime in 1991.
    And the tales about the "genocide of the Russian people" are to the grandmothers on the little bench.
    So what about "privatization under the Soviet regime"?
  44. 0
    5 March 2018 12: 22
    Because so Khrushchev said.
  45. +4
    5 March 2018 12: 23
    Even before Stalin's death, they considered scenarios for the development of further relations with the USSR, what will happen when he dies. Then, on March 19, 1953, document No. 572, approved by the Psychological Strategy Council, discusses the use of the plan “Psychological exploitation of Stalin’s death”. Further, on March 22, 1956, at the 280th meeting of the SNB, Secretary Wilson asked that what happened in the Soviet Union would be beneficial for the United States? President and Secretary Dulles replied that they considered these events to be definitely beneficial to the United States. And where is Khrushchev’s son now?
  46. +4
    5 March 2018 12: 31
    I’m always talking about Stalin, it’s necessary to pray, if it weren’t for him and our people that suppressed this brown plague, you read the Yalta conference, no one wanted to open the second one, and then Stalin said that he would get to the border and then sort it out yourself, and then we agreed on a second front, and in short the point fell ill. You all imagine if Hitler won, how he destroyed all the Jews at once, he would have cut them all out, and of course we are, and Stalin, though Georgian, didn’t make our people victorious, that’s why everyone will not see us, because whoever came to us with the sword and died from him. Well, now all our corrupt authorities bought Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but the current one is the St. Petersburg organized crime group, you look who sits all the St. Petersburg godfathers and his friends, if
    it’s good to see we still live in the Union, but Russia doesn’t have such a state, but Russia is just a territory, take a look at yourself, dial DUNS 531298725 and it will be the Russian Federation, this commercial organization and so on all our governing organizations and everything is registered in England and The United States, and we are all the immigrants of our country, look at the passport there is the Federal Migration Service and that’s all, it turns out that no one needs this people, they only need the subsoil and territory.
  47. +5
    5 March 2018 12: 33
    Blessed memory. He was indeed the leader of all times and peoples. Compared to him, he is now really a pygmy leader. There was no argument, it wouldn’t make sense. There would be no Stalin, no one arguing would live now, and the country would have been a colony for a long time most likely Germany, and if not, England and America. Yes, and now life is not ice, even with money, even with stolen billions, Western society considers you second-class people. There are no countries and its citizens are slaves, everything is like in the current semi-colony Rublevka and Odintsovo and all other houses with lakes and barriers will easily change their ownership. How many times has this happened in history? But for some reason people do not learn anything, probably greed is above all else.
  48. +5
    5 March 2018 12: 47
    It’s not for nothing that foreigners of all stripes and abroad and in Russia RUSSIA have condemned IV Stalin! He was the only one who knew how to manage the Great Empire of Russia — all the rest of it only destroyed! And nothing has changed even now!
    1. +3
      5 March 2018 13: 36
      Quote: ig.cheremisin2013
      cursed

      Literacy first learn, the accuser.
      Quote: ig.cheremisin2013
      foreigners of all stripes, both abroad and in Russia, we have condemned IV Stalin!

      Yes, RUSSIAN the leader Dzhugashvili.
      The template is not torn from such strange phrases?
      And then, leaders exist only in primitive societies. Those. it is a sign of primitive society.
      1. +2
        6 March 2018 12: 16
        Although we are not literate, but without the snotty, we will figure out what to do and when to do it ... The leader doesn’t bother us at all, but yours is notably blazing ....
  49. +2
    5 March 2018 13: 02
    Interestingly, did someone write a book at the sunset of a rotten feudal era: Crimes of Capitalism?
  50. +5
    5 March 2018 13: 04
    Why were they afraid? Why did they hate and hate? Yes, because he was a strong person! Strong personalities - Ones! Shakalov bred to and more. Truly afraid of Strong People, when Stalin was alive, he set the deal so that Europe and America cross yapping they didn’t dare even In 1943, they flew to Yalta to Stalin, and he didn’t bow to them! And while He was alive, he dictated his conditions to Europe and America, and not to us !!! I had foreseen much more then. I had probably foreseen that after his death, various jackals would crawl out and shit, and they would build the machinations, and his brainchild, his Droslezh - the USSR would have to tight - just could not do anything about it - you won’t get up from the grave, no matter how strong, here is the explanation.
  51. +1
    5 March 2018 13: 23
    Yes. I am not against Stalin in the absolute sense, but so be it. Well, in what volume and on what page is this written?! Why does the quote belong to Stalin exactly, as a quote should?
  52. +7
    5 March 2018 13: 25
    I think that we need to honor the memory of a truly great man I.V. Stalin. He had to lead the country during the most difficult years of the 20th century. I did it 200%! He set an example for his descendants, but the descendants, alas.......
    He himself did not steal from the people and did not allow others to steal, for this the current powers that be hate him - too vivid an example, too demonstrative!
    The kingdom of heaven to God's servant Joseph! Most of the country honors him as a great and just ruler of the country.
    1. +1
      5 March 2018 15: 52
      Quote: uskrabut
      He himself did not steal from the people and did not allow others to steal, for this the current powers that be hate him - too vivid an example, too demonstrative!

      Why would he steal if he already owned everything.
      Quote: uskrabut
      The kingdom of heaven to God's servant Joseph!

      But this is unlikely, Joseph is burning in hell with a blue flame.
      1. +3
        5 March 2018 20: 56
        You probably judge by yourself, if you had such power, you would certainly own everything, foreign accounts for the grandchildren of great-great-great-grandchildren would be bursting.
      2. +2
        6 March 2018 12: 22
        You will burn in Hell with a blue flame... But Stalin remained forever in the minds and hearts of mankind.
    2. +2
      6 March 2018 12: 18
      I assure you, those opponents who write, albeit in Russian, do their best to pretend that they do not understand the significance of Stalin in the fate of the USSR, or that they have some kind of evidence of Stalin’s guilt, they are just window dressing, and they are not the descendants of the victors, their ancestors hid in dugouts in the Transcarpathian forests or in the forests of the Baltic states, from time to time attacking Red Army guards...
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    1. +1
      5 March 2018 15: 49
      Of course Stalin made mistakes. One of them is the creation of the state of Israel, where full-blown Zionism (fascism) flourished.
    2. +1
      5 March 2018 20: 59
      Well, here is yet another proof that the German fascists and Zionists are playing the same tune; Hitler said the same thing when justifying his supposedly preventive attack on the USSR.
  54. +5
    5 March 2018 13: 30
    There are different opinions... recourse Here is the opinion of one major general, Hero of Russia

    “Joseph Stalin (may he be damned a thousand times) wanted to wipe out our people and the memory of them from the face of the earth!
    But there was also a “troika” for his soul, which shortened the tyrant’s life... And those who even today strive to glorify Stalin, to attribute victory in the Great Patriotic War solely to him alone, should remember that tens of millions of people died on the fronts and in the rear . It was they who defeated fascism, not Stalin![31]"
    — Ramzan Kadyrov, 2017
    1. +5
      5 March 2018 15: 41
      We found whose words to quote! For normal military personnel, this “general major” was and will remain a terrorist.
    2. +3
      5 March 2018 21: 02
      Kadyrov, for all his achievements in pacifying Chechnya, cannot, cannot, overcome personal and national-corporate grievances against Stalin; not everyone can do this; he lacks the breadth of thinking.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 00: 25
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        Not everyone is given this; they lack the breadth of thinking.

        What to take from a shepherd and an abrek request
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    4. +1
      6 March 2018 00: 23
      He (Kadyrov) should have been grateful that his people were developing Sunny Kazakhstan, and not Sunny Magadan. The champions of freedom and democracy interned their Japanese, etc., in camps.
  55. +1
    5 March 2018 13: 48
    Dear gentlemen and comrades! I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in this discussion no one denies the very fact of the loss of many people during the reign of Comrade. Stalin. Quantitative estimates vary - from 640 thousand people shot to many millions. There are also qualitative differences: he was forced to save the country and therefore such losses are acceptable - definitely bad.
    Option: since the beginning of the October Revolution, even more people have died and emigrated.
    Without going into these assessments in detail - I am not a historian - I would venture to suggest that there is agreement that these people are still pitiful and in other historical conditions they would certainly have been useful to the country both in industrialization and in defense from external enemies.
    I understand that history does not know the subjunctive mood, but if we want there to be no such losses in the future, then we will have to understand why they happened.
    Why did a split arise in the country and one part of the people went against the other? I offer you my answer for evaluation and criticism: there was a schismatic ideology in the country that allowed too much stratification in society - a monarchy supported by Judeo-Christianity. The main principle of this international “only true” teaching, which was inherited by other teachings of the same type, up to liberalism, is the division into believers and unbelievers, friends and foes - the notorious “divide and conquer.” All the “only true” teachings begin as dissent, continue with the seizure of power and money, and end in collapse, as their adherents degenerate and can no longer meet new conditions, and the people run out of patience.
  56. +3
    5 March 2018 14: 03
    Why is Stalin so hated by various Westerners, liberals and local nationalists? The answer is simple. Stalin was a real people's leader who devoted his whole life to solving global and national problems of Russian civilization and the Russian people.
    And also because mediocrities, mental and moral “pygmies” always hate those who are higher than them in spirit, reason, greatness, because they are not given by nature what is given to a great man - intelligence, insight, will, and other qualities that make a person great! sad
  57. +3
    5 March 2018 14: 06
    Respect and respect to the author of the article! smile good hi
  58. +9
    5 March 2018 14: 07
    Some praise Stalin, others criticize him. Let’s compare Stalin’s successes with the successes of the current government.. But just don’t forget that the second person in the hierarchy, Khrushchev, spoke about Stalin’s shortcomings. It’s really interesting that under the evil tyrant, the good guy was encrypted for so many years. And they say that in real repressions this good fellow is covered up much more than he talks about himself.
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    1. +1
      6 March 2018 12: 26
      You are in too much of a hurry and Stalin did not start right away...
  60. +8
    5 March 2018 14: 47
    I was finishing 7th grade at Leningrad School No. 177. At school near the bust of I.V. Stalin on the ground floor there was a solemn mourning guard of pioneers. The guys changed after 30 minutes. This is how the leader was honored in our country.
    After passing the 7th grade exams, I went to school. And already in 1957 he was a lieutenant. The country lived. Every year food prices decreased. Stalin's death became a national grief in the country. I have the honor.
  61. +4
    5 March 2018 14: 50
    Quote: Outsider
    Well, the fact that how Stalin, according to the behests of Marx-Engels-Lenin, organized the Second World War (which neither Svanidze, nor Mlechin, nor the most super-duper historians and political scientists risk hinting at from the screens) is already a separate, very big subject...

    I honestly read everything you wrote and kept thinking, is this really what you’re going to end with now?! Well?! And for sure - Stalin unleashed World War 2! Do you know what your problem is?! You are easily predictable! Easily predictable before in their ingratitude! This is blood. You can’t escape this and this is your weakness! Stalin contributed so much to the creation of the state of Israel!!!! So he contributed... So, together with the USA, he did everything for the division of Palestine and such ingratitude on your part!!! Immigrants from Russia played a huge role in the movement of Palestinian Jews! The views that prevailed here were clearly not monarchical ones!!!)))))) Socialist views prevailed, dear comrade! Comrade Ben-Gurion was also a socialist and even visited the USSR with the aim of strengthening the ties of Palestinian workers' trade unions with the communists!))) Joseph Vissarionich, remembering the role that Jews played in introducing Bolshevism in Russia, expected loyalty from the "Russian Palestinians"))) Russian communists , as Comrade likes to call them. Samsonov, but that was not the case!!!! Ingratitude is your main trait and the leader’s foresight failed him this time! So you, like a true “Russian communist”, spat on actually one of the creators of your state! Everything is predictable and without any pathos! Honor national traditions!)
    1. 0
      5 March 2018 15: 04
      Or maybe Comrade. Did Stalin simply not have time to complete his plan? Gather the most rabid ones in one place and hit them with a nuclear bomb. He was a cannibal.
      Outsider, how do you like this version? I give it.
  62. +1
    5 March 2018 15: 02
    Quote: Cheerful
    So what kind of people, please clarify? For the sake of what kind of people, what future, 65-75% of the country's population (collective farmers) injected for workdays, taxed at the very least I can not?

    Explain how in the initial period of the formation of the collective farm system, it was possible to take into account the amount of labor, the contribution of each member of the collective farm and organize the payment of collective farmers.
  63. +4
    5 March 2018 15: 16
    Yes, the answer is generally simple - almost 30 years have passed since the counter-revolution, which is not a short period of time. During this period, much could have been done for progress, but global regression is evident. Accordingly, the current authorities have nothing to offer society except stories about how terrible it was under Soviet power... so the poor do not calm down.
    1. +1
      6 March 2018 12: 30
      The further humanity develops, the more difficult it is to make up for lost time as a result of betrayals and catastrophes like the collapse of the USSR... Therefore, I dare to suggest that this is far from all.
  64. +3
    5 March 2018 15: 37
    Olgovich,
    Here you are wrong: it was IMPOSSIBLE not to allow it: we would not have taken eastern Poland, Hitler would have taken it. By the way, he was already in Brest.

    In turn, I disagree with you: the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and collusion with the Nazis are a crime that led to terrible losses during the Second World War. Without this agreement, Germany would not have decided to attack Poland.
    Even taking into account the assistance of the USSR,
    During the Polish campaign, the Wehrmacht, surpassing the Polish Army in all major military indicators, received a strong and completely unexpected rebuff. The German army lost about 1000 tanks and armored vehicles (almost 30% of the total strength), 370 guns, over 10 military vehicles (about 000 cars and 6000 motorcycles). The Luftwaffe lost over 5500 aircraft (about 700% of the total personnel participating in the campaign)
    Manpower losses amounted to 45 killed and wounded. According to Hitler’s personal admission, the Wehrmacht infantry “...did not live up to the hopes placed on it.”

    And ahead were the most difficult forests and swamps for warfare. In addition, Russian “ichtamnets” friendly to the Poles could also appear...
    In this case, World War II could begin not with an attack on Poland, but with the bombing of the “island gentlemen” with nuclear weapons. I don’t know about you, but I would be glad, given the role they played in the revolutionary events in Russia at the beginning of the twentieth century.
    1. BAI
      0
      5 March 2018 17: 17
      If we can somehow agree with the losses in manpower (killed and wounded in the same number), then the figures for losses in equipment do not fit into any gates.
      During the campaign, German troops, according to various estimates, lost from 8 to 082 killed, 16 to 343 wounded, and 27 to 280 people missing. During the Polish campaign, German troops lost 34 armored vehicles, 136 guns and mortars, 320 cars and motorcycles,

      GERMANY LOSSES in this war amounted to 286 aircraft
    2. 0
      5 March 2018 18: 17
      Dear Nevesyoly! 1000 is half of the entire Wehrmacht tank fleet that was in the army, excluding training ones!!! Considering the volume of tank production in Germany, what did they fight with in France?
    3. +3
      5 March 2018 21: 20
      Until now, in the British archives there are many documents classified as secret; they were supposed to be declassified in the 90s, but the deadline was extended, apparently because, on the one hand, there is information there that will explain why Hitler, an ardent opponent of a war on two fronts, suddenly attacked the USSR without putting an end to the Britons, and on the other hand, Russia, as the “partners” expected, did not cease to exist as a state. One hundred percent can be assumed that according to these documents, it will become clear that an agreement was reached between Hitler and the Britons, according to which, in the event of an attack on the USSR, they would stop the war with him and make some concessions on a number of contradictions between Germany and Britain. Well, when he got involved in the war with the USSR, they “threw him away” in their usual manner, especially after the stunning successes of the Wehrmacht in the first months of the war, because if he had won a victory with little blood and would have had raw materials, industrial and human resources at his disposal USSR, then Hitler would turn from an equal negotiator into a dictator in relation to them.
    4. +4
      6 March 2018 11: 13
      "The German army lost about "////

      And after 2 weeks of intense bombing of Poland,
      The Luftwaffe has run out of bombs.
      Then Hitler wrote a telegram to the Soviet command,
      asking for haste to enter the war in accordance with the treaty.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 14: 37
        A fact not recorded in history.
    5. +1
      6 March 2018 12: 33
      Whether you agree or not is not important, the only important thing is that the signing of this pact was a tool for resolving the issue of a possible alliance between Germany and Poland, as well as removing the border and stretching supplies during the subsequent offensive steps of the Nazis in our direction.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 12: 47
        The Poles would never agree to such an alliance, because they realized: if a German soldier came to Polish soil, he would never leave it. The same applies to the Soviet side.
        1. +2
          6 March 2018 13: 39
          Your guesses are not interesting to me... I am interested in the facts, and the facts indicate that part of the political elite of Poland sought an alliance with Germany, for which they were punished.
          1. +1
            6 March 2018 13: 42
            She sought an alliance with Germany, but received security guarantees from her opponents - Great Britain and France. This is a fact. Just like the criminal conspiracy between the Nazis and the Bolsheviks that marked the beginning of WWII.
            1. +2
              6 March 2018 13: 57
              There was no collusion, a non-aggression act was signed in order to delay the start of hostilities, and Poland suffered because of its own ambitions to conclude an alliance with Hitler’s Germany.
    6. 0
      6 March 2018 14: 35
      Quote: Cheerful
      The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and collusion with the Nazis is a crime that led to terrible losses during the Second World War.

      That is, if this pact had not been concluded, there would not have been such monstrous losses?
      Quote: Cheerful
      Without this agreement, Germany would not have decided to attack Poland.

      Warranty?

      Quote: Cheerful
      Poles-friendly Russian "ichtamnets".


      This is if the Poles wanted to be friends. Before the war, all four of them stood firm.
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 14: 53
        That is, if this pact had not been concluded, there would not have been such monstrous losses?

        It would not have happened, because if the war had started, it would have been fought on foreign soil and with little bloodshed, as Soviet propagandists described the future war with the Germans.
        Warranty?

        The instinct of self-preservation. Without a guarantee of at least neutrality on the part of the USSR, a German attack on Poland would be tantamount to repeating the experience of “double penetration” of 1914-1918: France and Great Britain on the one hand, the USSR on the other.
        This is if the Poles wanted to be friends. Before the war, all four of them stood firm.

        This should be understandable, the Poles only recently regained their sovereign state, of course, they wanted to defend their independence with all their might, which is why it is impossible to imagine both a Soviet-Polish union and a Nazi-Polish one: both would mean at least a partial loss of sovereignty (both the Nazis and the Bolsheviks would have done everything possible to impose their orders)
        1. +1
          6 March 2018 15: 32
          [quote=Gloomy]on a foreign land and with little bloodshed,[/quote]

          This required not the absence of a non-aggression pact, but a military Anglo-Fanco-Polish-Soviet anti-German alliance. What the Soviet government proposed repeatedly and for which it received rude refusals from Poland and ignorance from England and France.

          [quote=Gloomy]Instinct of self-preservation. Without a guarantee of at least neutrality from the USSR, a German attack on Poland would be tantamount to repeating the experience of “double penetration” of 1914-1918 [/quote]

          1).See higher.
          2.) The existing military treaties between Poland and England and France threatened to repeat “double penetration,” but for some reason Germany’s instinct of self-preservation did not work. And, as it turned out, it justifiably did not work.

          [the Poles...of course...wanted to defend their independence with all their might[/quote]

          A strange way to assert independence by refusing help against an obvious enemy. Or implicit? As you know, the Poles were not at all averse to being friends with the Nazis...against the USSR. And again, waging aggression against neighbors (the RSFSR in 1919-20, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia) also looks like a very original method of defending independence.
  65. +1
    5 March 2018 16: 57
    According to a certificate prepared in February 1954 by Prosecutor General R. Rudenko, Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov and Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954 he was convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, “triples "The NKVD, by the Special Meeting, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals of 3 people, including 777 people were sentenced to death. This is for thirty-one years. This is the end of the Civil War, this is the era after it. This is four years of a terrible war with Hitler. This is the period after the Second World War. This is a fight against gangs of Bandera and forest brothers. This includes Berry and Yezhov, and other bloody executioners. Here are the traitors of Vlasov. Here are deserters and looters. Self-shooters. Alarmists. Participants in the gangster underground. Nazi accomplices who shed blood. This is the "Leninist Guard", which destroyed a great country to the joy of the enemies of Russia. Here Zinoviev and Kamenev. Trotskyists in this number. Figures of the Comintern. Traitor and traitor Tukhachevsky, who was about to arrange a military coup. The executioner Bela Kun, thousands of drowning officers in the Crimea with stones on their necks. A multifaceted figure, polysyllabic. If you divide the total number of executed by the number of years, you will get less than 380 people a year. A lot of? Of course. But let’s not forget what years it was. And there are no tens of millions executed. This is exactly a deliberate lie. Remember this figure: 642 people. That was. It is necessary to know and remember
    1. +1
      5 March 2018 17: 24
      Quote: Bator
      Remember this number: 642 people.

      In 1937-38 alone, 681682 people were shot.

      How many were “spanked” without any formalities? Was there a trial of Nikolai and his family?
      The Germans were shocked by what the NKVD was doing with Soviet prisoners and persons under investigation.
      1. +4
        5 March 2018 18: 06
        The Germans were shocked
        Are you Kolya from Urengoy? You probably have statistics on deaths in the 90s, especially in gangster St. Petersburg?
      2. +1
        6 March 2018 12: 35
        Let's start with the fact that the Democrats "slapped" without formalities in 1991, shooting at passers-by, and in the USSR responsibility for offenses was assigned by the court and the pieces of paper that you are showing only show that you know how to use Excel
  66. 0
    5 March 2018 17: 18
    Quote: bober1982
    Liberal-minded citizens despised Tsar Nicholas II, by the way, these same citizens hated Nicholas I and were afraid of Alexander III

    I agree, this happened too. Nicholas II was scolded for being “soft,” while Nicholas I, Alexander III, Lenin, and Stalin were cursed for being “hard-hearted” or cruel. I think it's called schizophrenia...
    1. +3
      5 March 2018 18: 03
      Quote: Sahar Medovich
      I agree, this happened too. Nicholas II was criticized for being “soft”

      Who scolded him for his softness? They made fun of him, liberal corrupt newspapers, lies, dirty gossip, rotten grand-ducal relatives, equally rotten generals and fooled people. The result is known.
      1. 0
        6 March 2018 15: 20
        Are you talking only about his contemporaries? Sorry, I didn't understand. I'm talking about late time, incl. about ours.
  67. 0
    5 March 2018 17: 30
    The repressions attributed to Stalin are the revenge of the Jews for their excommunication from all leadership positions at the level of manager and deputy, chief engineer, head of the trust / deputy head, etc. The process of removal was launched in all republics of the USSR in the early 50s. followed by deportation to the Jewish Autonomous Region created for them. And although Stalin’s death stopped this move, it was impossible to reverse the removal campaign that had already completed and gained momentum. In 1991, when the illiterate and heavily drinking Yeltsin allowed Jews to come to power, and the latter, taking advantage of the powers of power, the closed nature of the archives of the USSR and the traditional timidity of communists to tell the truth, cleverly took advantage of this and threw into the masses a fake legend about Stalin that is alive to this day. They only know why Stalin treated the Jews so cruelly, but they prefer to pass on the taboo on the truth from generation to generation and put on an innocent face. Considering that President Putin acts as a hired manager of liberals, he is not interested in changing anything.
    1. +2
      6 March 2018 12: 37
      Not Jews, but Trotskyist Zionists, because Jews were not disadvantaged in any way even under Stalin.
  68. +7
    5 March 2018 17: 54
    This morning I walked around Moscow and remembered how on March 5, 1953, in a stream of people, I walked down Kirovskaya to the center to honor the deceased Leader. We knew that everything we achieved was achieved by the strength and will of the people of our country. But we also knew that without the leader and his knights we would not have done anything.
    And the slander against him began in our country not after the collapse of the USSR. The first to slander him was the scoundrel and traitor Khrushchev. In his memoirs, he directly explains how he climbed to the top. A miner from Yuzovka (Donetsk) was sent to study at the Coma Academy. And it had to happen that he ended up in the same group with Nadezhda Alliluyeva, who told her husband how zealously Nikita shouted at the Trotskyists and Stalin nominated him for serious work in the Moscow party apparatus. Joseph Vissarionovich was kind.
    I wanted to talk in detail about this scumbag, who brought the country to default and “raised” agriculture so much that he gave the Americans for grain the entire gold reserve created by Stalin - 2900 tons - more than all the IMF gold.
    But to be sure, I decided to look again at the primary source - volume 15 of Stalin’s collected works. And I can’t resist citing some of his statements that expose both past and present liars.
    FROM STALIN'S CONVERSATION WITH AIRCRAFT CONSTRUCTOR YAKOVLEV, March 26, 1941.
    Stalin. No, we are doing the right thing by punishing nationalists of all stripes and colors so severely. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own peoples. After all, the cherished dream of nationalists is to split the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The majority of the peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union will be physically exterminated, while the remaining part will turn into dumb and pitiful slaves of the conquerors. It is no coincidence that the despicable traitors to the Ukrainian people - the leaders of Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, horsemen, Banderas - have already received assignments from German intelligence to incite hatred towards Russians among Ukrainians, who are also Russians, and to achieve the separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. The same old song of ancient times since the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer. The British were especially successful in inciting national hatred and pitting some peoples against others. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the pathetic and corrupt leaders of different nations, capitalist island England - the first factory in the world, negligible in size, managed to seize vast territories, enslave and rob many peoples of the world, create the “Great” British Empire, in which, as boastfully The British say, the sun never sets.
    This number will not work with us while we are alive. So it’s in vain that Hitler’s fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards,” which supposedly will fall apart at the first serious test, they count on the fragility of the friendship of the peoples inhabiting our country today, they hope to quarrel between them. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities inhabiting our country will defend it without sparing their lives, as their beloved Motherland. However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If they are allowed to act with impunity, they will cause a lot of trouble. That is why they must be kept under an iron rein, and not allowed to undermine the unity of the Soviet Union.
    .NEXT: June 12, 1941 CONVERSATION WITH A, M, LAVROV ABOUT THE JAPANESE AND THE KURILES.
    Japan has developed a plan for an attack on the Soviet Union, encrypted under the name “Kan To Kuen” (special maneuvers of the Kwantung Army). Mobilization in Japan is completely completed. Vessels with a total tonnage of 800 thousand tons have also been mobilized. Japanese ships loaded with troops, weapons and equipment are arriving at the ports of Korea, Manchuria and the Kuril Islands, which are supposed to be used as springboards for an attack on our Far East.
    Many Japanese ships with soldiers arrive in the Kuril Islands. Apparently, it was not in vain that in 1905, taking advantage of the weakness of the tsarist government, the Japanese took away these lands from Russia.
    Stalin. Your lands, you say. Where did you get the idea that the Kuril Islands are the original Japanese land? No, these are the original Russian lands, discovered and described by Russian navigators and explorers back in the 1679th century. The Kuril Islands were first discovered and described in 1711 by the famous Russian explorer of the Far East Atlasov, and this work was completed by Russian navigators and explorers Antsiferov and Kozyrevsky in 1721, Luzhin in 1811, Golovin in 1805 and Krusenstern in 1745. It is no coincidence that in XNUMX the Kuril Islands were marked under Russian names on the “General Map of the Russian Empire” and indicated in the “Academic Atlas” also under Russian names. You need to know, dear general, the history of your homeland.
    The Kuril Islands are a very important springboard for the Japanese if they were planning to attack us again. In addition, by encircling the Soviet Far East with a powerful ridge, in the event of a military conflict with Japan, they reliably block our access to the Pacific Ocean.
    FINALLY KHRUSHCHEV'S LIES ABOUT THAT. THAT HITLER DECEIVED STALIN BY STARTING THE WAR. FROM THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH LAVROV
    Lavrov. Who is stopping us from carrying out general mobilization for preventive purposes and bringing the number of troops to at least a level equal to the German one?
    Stalin. Declare mobilization, you say? But this is tantamount to a declaration of war on Germany on our part. This is exactly what the Anglo-American imperialists dream of, doing everything to pit the Soviet Union against Germany. I think that Churchill’s warning about German aggression against us, which we received in April, pursues the same goal: to force us, in connection with the threat of a German invasion, to carry out general mobilization and thus get involved in a war with Germany. Moreover, there has already been such a precedent in history. In 1914, Russia did not declare war on Germany, it only declared general mobilization.

    What's new about Americans?
    Lavrov. They still dream and see - to drag us into a war with Japan, while they themselves will remain on the sidelines. In Washington, the rise to power in Tokyo of the gendarme General Tojo, an ardent anti-Soviet and fascist, is directly linked to the preparation of a Japanese attack on us in the very near future. This belief is fully shared by the command of the American armed forces: General Marshall, Admiral Stark, Generals Blyden, Arnold, Gerow, Admirals Ingersoll and Towers, the commander of the American Pacific Fleet, Admiral Kimmel, and the head of American military intelligence, General Miles. Hence the certain carelessness regarding a possible surprise attack by Japan on the United States. It is more than surprising that, having received a message about the Japanese preparing an attack on Pearl Harbor, those on whom the US defense depends are more than indifferent to this message, considering it just another piece of disinformation.
    American intelligence leaders even claim that this kind of information was inspired by the Soviet Union, which benefits from the United States entering a war with Russia’s archenemy, Japan.
    Stalin. Truly everyone sees what they want. Don't the Americans assume that the Japanese will attack the United States before attacking us? You know, if Germany and Japan attack us, the Americans and British, against their will, will turn out to be our allies. We should be prepared for such a turn of events. They simply have no other choice. Therefore, they will certainly try to deal with Germany and Japan with our hands. Otherwise they won't be able to survive.
    Lavrov. Do we need to pull chestnuts out of the fire for them and save the USA and England? Isn’t it better to let Germany and Japan deal with them: there will be fewer two worst enemies for us on Earth?
    Stalin. Let them get separated, you say. Unfortunately, this cannot be allowed, although this would be a good retribution for them for all their intrigues against us. If Hitler and the Japanese seize the resources of such economically powerful countries as the United States and the British Empire, we will have a hard time. Moreover, fascist Germany and imperialist Japan will definitely attack us sooner or later. Therefore, it is better if this happens at a time when objective inter-imperialist contradictions will not allow world imperialism to unite and come at us with a united front, as was the case during the years of intervention in the twenties. And the fact that the British and American governments hate Russia has long been known. They are only interested in themselves, their own destiny, their own well-being.
    Well, these masters of intrigue will not be able to turn us into cannon fodder for their own interests. In that England and the United States are unreliable ally for us, you are, of course, right. But we’re not cut out for it either. I hope you don't think that these self-confident and narcissistic politicians will be able to fool people like you and me? Moreover, we know virtually every step they take. Did you grab the certificate I asked you for?..
    Information about the plans of the American and British governments should continue to come to us regularly. Now one of the most important tasks of our strategic agents in England and the USA is to create a friendly atmosphere towards our country in the ruling circles of these countries. Despite the hostility towards our country, England and the USA will help us in this war. Because if Hitler and the Japanese defeat us, they won’t be happy either.
    1. +1
      6 March 2018 07: 03
      Stalin himself wanted this war, since no one had canceled the world “socialist” revolution. He only needed a strong army, and he didn’t give a damn about how the Russian people lived.
      1. +2
        6 March 2018 07: 57
        Brain cutter? On the issue of inciting a world revolution - this is for the Trotskyists.
  69. +3
    5 March 2018 18: 39
    Stalin is honored and respected, no matter how many years have passed, no matter how much the insignificant Kremlin mongrels and their lackeys bark at him, the great man was and remains great.
  70. +7
    5 March 2018 18: 43
    I am ashamed and disgusted that the leadership of Russia, led by President Putin, does not say anything about Stalin during Victory Day. But under the leadership of Stalin (whatever he was) the most difficult war in the history of mankind was won, Stalin sent his sons to war, Stalin did not have bank accounts, did not live richly and did not plunder the country. Stalin did not humiliate himself before the leaders of other states and did not allow his country to be humiliated.
    Victory Day can be without Putin, Yeltsin, Sobyanin and so on, but it cannot be without Stalin, Stalin is hated for the truth
  71. +10
    5 March 2018 18: 45
    My parents lived under Stalin from the late 20s until the 53rd. The mother is from the dispossessed, the father is from the former. That is, it would seem, all the circles of hell. However, in 53, my father went to the funeral and took leave at his own expense. Where is Moscow, and where is Trans-KVO, but why did you go? Just now I asked my mother about Stalin, and he said that things were honest and happy then. Okay, she’s over 90, a distant relative served 12 years after the war for stealing roofing from a factory. He says: it was such a time, and I succumbed to weakness, it served me right. It turns out that Stalin did everything right. And the Soviet idea was correct. I didn’t get this from newspapers/TV, but from relatives who lived at that time. What does the nonsense of detractors mean here? Nothing. Just nonsense.
  72. +8
    5 March 2018 19: 12
    Stalin is a great man and politician!
  73. +1
    5 March 2018 19: 54
    Quote: Oper
    Quote: Outsider
    Well, the fact that how Stalin, according to the behests of Marx-Engels-Lenin, organized the Second World War (which neither Svanidze, nor Mlechin, nor the most super-duper historians and political scientists risk hinting at from the screens) is already a separate, very big subject...

    I honestly read everything you wrote and kept thinking, is this really what you’re going to end with now?! Well?! And for sure - Stalin unleashed World War 2! Do you know what your problem is?! You are easily predictable! Easily predictable before in their ingratitude! This is blood. You can’t escape this and this is your weakness! Stalin contributed so much to the creation of the state of Israel!!!! So he contributed... So, together with the USA, he did everything for the division of Palestine and such ingratitude on your part!!! Immigrants from Russia played a huge role in the movement of Palestinian Jews! The views that prevailed here were clearly not monarchical ones!!!)))))) Socialist views prevailed, dear comrade! Comrade Ben-Gurion was also a socialist and even visited the USSR with the aim of strengthening the ties of Palestinian workers' trade unions with the communists!))) Joseph Vissarionich, remembering the role that Jews played in introducing Bolshevism in Russia, expected loyalty from the "Russian Palestinians"))) Russian communists , as Comrade likes to call them. Samsonov, but that was not the case!!!! Ingratitude is your main trait and the leader’s foresight failed him this time! So you, like a true “Russian communist”, spat on actually one of the creators of your state! Everything is predictable and without any pathos! Honor national traditions!)

    - Stop pretending? The Judeophobe Stalin promoted the formation of the state of Israel for the sole purpose: in the hope that it would become an outpost of the struggle between the British and the West in general in the Middle East. Stalin did not have any other goals when voting for the creation of Israel at the UN for the Soviet delegation, while helping Israel with weapons in the early years. Is it really incomprehensible?
    However, these nasty Jews very quickly disappointed Comrade Stalin, turning to him in a completely different place.

    And then Comrade Stalin decided to destroy them - at least where he could reach them - in the Soviet Union. The Doctors' Plot was supposed to become the detonator of a grandiose all-Union pogrom against Jews. Thanks to Comrade Beria, who poisoned him so timely and opportunely! Thanks to Comrade Beria for my happy childhood!
    1. +3
      5 March 2018 21: 29
      Well, “Gulchitai” has revealed its “little face,” an animal one, full of anger and hatred not only for everything Soviet, but also everything Russian. These are the ones who, for the sake of their happy childhood, are ready to send entire peoples and countries into oblivion, zoological egoism, this is the true face of a Zionist.
    2. +2
      6 March 2018 13: 01
      Stalin condemned anti-Semitism, and the doctors’ case was the logical conclusion of the activities of the Trotskyist Zionists.
  74. +4
    5 March 2018 20: 38
    It hit me. belay 536 comments. wassat This article will be stronger than elections and occupational weapons laughing But no matter how hard the opponents of Generalissimo I.V. Stalin tried or strained themselves, history delivered its verdict. Another 50 years will pass and Stalin’s name will still cause discussions, but those who are now throwing mud at him will be forgotten immediately after death. And I hope she won’t keep herself waiting, because they forgot the Scripture: “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” And they scream, as if they were released yesterday from Kolyma, where Joseph Vissarionovich personally drove them.
  75. +7
    5 March 2018 20: 45
    They fought for and against Stalin, as always. Nothing new. But I'm sure there are paid "historians" on the "against" side. After the “fight,” each side is left with its own opinion and slogan. Mine is like this (now there will be squeals that this is a fake...), but the essence is relevant:
    1. +2
      6 March 2018 13: 04
      People sincerely perceiving Russia as their Motherland are unanimously aware that Stalin was the salvation for Russia, and subsequently the USSR. Those who lie about Stalin love completely different homelands...
  76. +3
    5 March 2018 20: 57
    Quote: Apollo
    The repressions attributed to Stalin are the revenge of the Jews for their excommunication from all leadership positions at the level of manager and deputy, chief engineer, head of the trust / deputy head, etc. The process of removal was launched in all republics of the USSR in the early 50s. followed by deportation to the Jewish Autonomous Region created for them. And although Stalin’s death stopped this move, it was impossible to reverse the removal campaign that had already completed and gained momentum. In 1991, when the illiterate and heavily drinking Yeltsin allowed Jews to come to power, and the latter, taking advantage of the powers of power, the closed nature of the archives of the USSR and the traditional timidity of communists to tell the truth, cleverly took advantage of this and threw into the masses a fake legend about Stalin that is alive to this day. They only know why Stalin treated the Jews so cruelly, but they prefer to pass on the taboo on the truth from generation to generation and put on an innocent face. Considering that President Putin acts as a hired manager of liberals, he is not interested in changing anything.

    - Naturally, the Jews were very guilty by staging the October coup in Russia and establishing Soviet power, but their main fault is that they allowed such a bastard as Stalin to crawl to the top of power and carry out unprecedented terror, Trotsky’s main fault is that he did not destroy Stalin, as the military suggested to him twice in the 20s. Slobbering and purity - “you cannot kill party comrades.” The natural bandit Stalin did not bother with such intellectual nonsense...
    The history of the Soviet Union and world history would have taken a completely different path...
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    2. +1
      6 March 2018 13: 08
      Zionist Jews penetrated both the ranks of the February putschists and the ranks of the Bolsheviks in order to be in leadership positions in any government in any case, but Stalin, like any wise person, understood this and began a purge of Zionists in all echelons of power precisely against the Zionists, and not against the Jews. ethnicity.
  77. +17
    5 March 2018 20: 58
    Everyone loves Stalin
    It's a pity they just killed their own people
    From great love
    1. +1
      6 March 2018 13: 09
      That’s why they don’t kill their own, it’s not their own who are killed, but the Zionists in the person of Khrushchev and his accomplices.
  78. +2
    5 March 2018 21: 12
    “The masters of the West allowed the German Nazis led by Hitler to take power in Europe” - No, they brought him to power!
  79. +1
    5 March 2018 22: 30
    Today's mongrels and thieves are afraid to even say his name
  80. +1
    5 March 2018 23: 58
    Quote: lady.endzhi
    To be or not to be
    Yeah, and in the Union of Foreigners they loved more than their citizens. Any Negro at Birch seemed like a celestial, he could help us buy a thing, not a Soviet sledgehammer. And how they drove Russians from hotels with foreigners - like garbage. And how they planted for dollars, if it turned out to be more than 50. And as in stores with empty counters, it stank of rotten herring and bleach. And how people were killed with free medicine - there were no expensive and necessary medicines for "not their own". And how did you only pop yours into prestigious universities such as MGIMO and humanitarian faculties of Moscow State University? And as judged for any bag of potatoes dug on the collective farm field, this despite the fact that the collective farmers' salaries were purely nominal, because it was believed that they had their own subsidiary plots - that is how they plowed on two fields for practically free of charge. And how they lived on the reservations, not having the opportunity to move to another place of residence, they even took passports from the collective farmers so that they could not do this. And how ... and how ... you can continue this ad infinitum. But my great-grandfather was condemned for carrying a calf carcass to a field camp, which was rotten in the heat (southern Russia), and each family has its own Soviet story. Have you brought a tablet of electricity prices unchanged over several years? And how many ruble reforms have we experienced during the Soviet era? At least 5-6, and all the miserable accumulations of workers flew into the chimney. Compare - under the tsarist regime, the ruble has been a hard currency for more than two hundred years.

    Here is data from the archives of the Primorsky Territory. Vladivostok, 1915-1916 salary per month: laborer - 25 rubles; fireman - 40 rubles; carpenter - 60 rubles; mechanic-blacksmith - 65-67 rub.; turner - 70 rub. For 70 rub. it was possible then to buy: 17 tons of coal; or - 184 kg of beef meat; or - 70 kg of butter. And this was during the war!!.. If we compare with the prices of the USSR in 1972, then with an average salary a Soviet person could buy only two to three times less of the same goods...
    Old-timers, former miners who worked in the mines even before the revolution, said the same thing about this. I heard this myself from them back in the mid-fifties.
    1. +1
      6 March 2018 19: 15
      I also heard that in Moscow they learned how to milk chickens.
  81. +1
    6 March 2018 00: 23
    Quote: Edvid

    Here is data from the archives of the Primorsky Territory. Vladivostok, 1915-1916 salary per month: laborer - 25 rubles; fireman - 40 rubles; carpenter - 60 rubles; mechanic-blacksmith - 65-67 rub.; turner - 70 rub. For 70 rub. it was possible then to buy: 17 tons of coal; or - 184 kg of beef meat; or - 70 kg of butter. And this was during the war!!.. If we compare with the prices of the USSR in 1972, then with an average salary a Soviet person could buy only two to three times less of the same goods...
    Old-timers, former miners who worked in the mines even before the revolution, said the same thing about this. I heard this myself from them back in the mid-fifties.

    -Are you a stupid person, or what?? 184 kg of beef meat - during the war, when everything was strictly according to cards??! Yes, there was a market, but there the prices were 10-20 times higher...
    1. +1
      6 March 2018 04: 43
      Put on your glasses..
      A comparison with the First World War was shown. What does this have to do with the black market and prices 20 times higher?
      During the PM years there was no black market in Vladik. It appeared only in Soviet times.
  82. +5
    6 March 2018 00: 31
    The best, most effective leader of our state in the twentieth century. I myself come from a repressed family. The year is 1938. There is a certificate. Everyone who is persecuting grandfather Stalin is b.m.o.
    1. 0
      6 March 2018 14: 45
      Quote: NyeMoNik70
      I myself come from a repressed family. The year is 1938. There is a certificate. Everyone who is persecuting grandfather Stalin is b.m.o.

      This is not Ivan. This is Petro who does not remember his kinship.
      1. +2
        7 March 2018 00: 24
        And you are not Ivan, not Petro, but you, intoxicated by the propaganda fusel, IT
  83. +1
    6 March 2018 01: 52
    Quote: midshipman
    I was finishing 7th grade at Leningrad School No. 177. At school near the bust of I.V. Stalin on the ground floor there was a solemn mourning guard of pioneers. The guys changed after 30 minutes. This is how the leader was honored in our country.
    After passing the 7th grade exams, I went to school. And already in 1957 he was a lieutenant. The country lived. Every year food prices decreased. Stalin's death became a national grief in the country. I have the honor.

    good drinks
  84. +1
    6 March 2018 01: 54
    Quote: Outsider
    Quote: Apollo
    The repressions attributed to Stalin are the revenge of the Jews for their excommunication from all leadership positions at the level of manager and deputy, chief engineer, head of the trust / deputy head, etc. The process of removal was launched in all republics of the USSR in the early 50s. followed by deportation to the Jewish Autonomous Region created for them. And although Stalin’s death stopped this move, it was impossible to reverse the removal campaign that had already completed and gained momentum. In 1991, when the illiterate and heavily drinking Yeltsin allowed Jews to come to power, and the latter, taking advantage of the powers of power, the closed nature of the archives of the USSR and the traditional timidity of communists to tell the truth, cleverly took advantage of this and threw into the masses a fake legend about Stalin that is alive to this day. They only know why Stalin treated the Jews so cruelly, but they prefer to pass on the taboo on the truth from generation to generation and put on an innocent face. Considering that President Putin acts as a hired manager of liberals, he is not interested in changing anything.

    - Naturally, the Jews were very guilty by staging the October coup in Russia and establishing Soviet power, but their main fault is that they allowed such a bastard as Stalin to crawl to the top of power and carry out unprecedented terror, Trotsky’s main fault is that he did not destroy Stalin, as the military suggested to him twice in the 20s. Slobbering and purity - “you cannot kill party comrades.” The natural bandit Stalin did not bother with such intellectual nonsense...
    The history of the Soviet Union and world history would have taken a completely different path...

    What about the natural bandit, sadist, and money-grubber Trotsky?
    wassat
  85. +2
    6 March 2018 01: 57
    Quote: Yak28
    I am ashamed and disgusted that the leadership of Russia, led by President Putin, does not say anything about Stalin during Victory Day. But under the leadership of Stalin (whatever he was) the most difficult war in the history of mankind was won, Stalin sent his sons to war, Stalin did not have bank accounts, did not live richly and did not plunder the country. Stalin did not humiliate himself before the leaders of other states and did not allow his country to be humiliated.
    Victory Day can be without Putin, Yeltsin, Sobyanin and so on, but it cannot be without Stalin, Stalin is hated for the truth

    good hi
    1. +3
      6 March 2018 06: 46
      Because, unlike you, they know who Stalin really was and what his role was in organizing the Second World War.
      1. +2
        6 March 2018 19: 21
        No, because they know what would have happened to them for all their services, if Stalin had been alive. And if in 41 the country was led by figures such as Gorbachev or Yeltsin, then the Germans would have held a parade on Red Square a month after the start of the war.
      2. 0
        7 March 2018 00: 05
        Ordinary WWII soldiers know, they told me that the first year and a half was hard, then they drove the wrong German, they knocked out the elite of those who conquered Europe and drove them to Berlin. I was a boy.
        and these WAR soldiers wore their military orders and medals on May 9. VICTORY DAY was not celebrated then
  86. +1
    6 March 2018 02: 01
    Quote: wer2
    Quote: Bator
    Remember this number: 642 people.

    In 1937-38 alone, 681682 people were shot.

    How many were “spanked” without any formalities? Was there a trial of Nikolai and his family?
    The Germans were shocked by what the NKVD was doing with Soviet prisoners and persons under investigation.

    Germans, do you mean the SS and the Gestapo? sad
    1. +2
      6 March 2018 19: 28
      Well, how kind they were, the Germans, they were even in shock, they probably even cried bitterly, and that’s probably why in just a few months of 41 - early 42, from this very shock they destroyed more than 2 million of our prisoners of war in their concentration camps , dooming them to painful death from hunger and cold. Another worthy successor to Goebbels' cause.
    2. 0
      6 March 2018 22: 27
      Are you sure that this is so, but if you look at how many innocent 18-year-old souls were killed in the CHECHEN WAR, not for sniffing tobacco, it was direct betrayal. There you would have no formalities, blood, shit, dirt and death
  87. +1
    6 March 2018 02: 06
    The liberal propagandists who did not live then Stalin for 37 are surprised in those days the methods of struggle for power were if not you then you Lavrentiy Beria conspiracy Can you imagine what it would have been like in 41 if the struggle for
    power continued and did not raise the country. It’s scary to imagine if Gorbachev and
    Yeltsin, we wouldn’t exist In the 70s, I worked in Kolyma at that time, all the mines were former camps. I worked with former prisoners of the camps, as is now fashionable Gulag, and not one said that he was repressed. The director of the mine was the deputy head of the camp. There was such a Semyon Karpenko during wars letter trains robbed he was not 18 years old received a prison sentence and his accomplices were shot My partner was also in prison, called up to the front, escaped from the recruiting station, was not shot because he did not take the oath, Secular pensioner
    1. +2
      6 March 2018 06: 53
      It is strange to give credit to Stalin if he himself was an active participant in the organization of all this “socialist” lawlessness.
      1. +5
        6 March 2018 13: 16
        What is socialist chaos? 8 hour work day? free healthcare and paid leave, as well as guaranteed jobs for every person in the country? If you are used to sitting on a chain in a kennel and eating the scraps of white owners, we do not forbid you, but why project your fetishes onto the whole country?
      2. +2
        6 March 2018 23: 34
        And in 92 liberal lawlessness hit the White House from tank guns. Weak
  88. +3
    6 March 2018 06: 32
    A truly literate Russian person cannot bow before Stalin, Peter 1, the Terrible, because it was under them that most of the Russian people were destroyed. These were Dictators of the extreme, and for such people the most powerful people are the most dangerous. Stalin opposed Zionism and the Jews because at that time the people of Russia themselves opposed them, and because he himself was half Jewish. Everyone already understood their significant role in organizing revolutions and wars (although, it must be admitted that the main role in this was played by the bourgeois class, which felt the power. All these “revolutionary” peasants, workers and intelligentsia were just pawns of the driving force of the bourgeoisie, and workers reading "Capital" by Marx, Engels - this is an anecdote) and among these bourgeois, the richest and most organized force were representatives of the Jews, who subordinated the concepts of nation and religion to the struggle for power, and world power.
    Stalin never sought peace. Even before the revolution, he knew for sure that in the future the most fierce war would be between Germany and Russia, and his task was to conduct this war in such a way as to preserve the “socialist” state and continue the struggle for world domination. The Russian peoples themselves were of no value to him; he needed a strong army for victorious conquests. And he not only knew exactly before the war when it would start, but also did everything so that Germany (as a weaker country) would not give up and would be the first to start this war. Just like that!
    1. +2
      6 March 2018 08: 02
      Where do they “make” you (plural) like this? Stamp on a stamp. Apparently the brain is not used to think and analyze, but is used stupidly as a storage facility. What is filled in is what is broadcast.
    2. +3
      6 March 2018 13: 19
      Last year, a real Russian person gave most of the votes in a poll about the most prominent political figures in Russia to Stalin, and not a real Russian person whining on the forum about how bad Stalin is, appealing to the figures drawn by SolZhenitsyn and others like him.
    3. +2
      6 March 2018 19: 46
      It's a complete lie. Most of the Russian people were destroyed when “kind” rulers came to power, Ivan the Terrible left and turmoil began, blood flowed like a river across the Russian Land, Peter I left - and the period of the “woman’s” kingdom began, with revelry and arbitrariness of the nobles, during which people suffered first of all, the Russian people, Paul I left, the “liberal” Alexander I came, who dragged Russia into a bloody war against Napoleon for British interests, the “tyrannical” Alexander III left, the “kind” Nicholas II came, and again blood flowed like a river - war, revolution , Civil War. These are the facts, well, about the fact that Stalin deliberately played a giveaway with Germany - this is generally the nonsense of a madman whose brains are damaged by animal anger towards Stalin, there is no logic, it’s not even worth talking about. Another crap spreader on the past of Russia and its great figures.
    4. 0
      6 March 2018 22: 46
      A typical liberal individual, intoxicated by propaganda fuselage, reduced to a state of intellectual stupidity, unable to make reasonable decisions regarding historical reality, we are sorry
  89. 0
    6 March 2018 06: 43
    Yes, he was truly perspicacious, because he not only knew when the war would start, but also did everything to ensure that it began and that Germany would start it.
    1. +1
      6 March 2018 13: 21
      Where does this information come from? Have you ever felt that you are not a natural child in the family?
  90. +2
    6 March 2018 08: 24
    Stalin did something unforgivable from the point of view of the global deep government: he managed to create conceptual power in the USSR. Imperfect, fragile and unformalized. But precisely conceptual power. And, if anyone doesn’t know, then conceptual power is the monopoly of the global deep government. This is not forgiven.
    1. 0
      6 March 2018 11: 46
      Here is a copy of the summary document:
      1. +1
        6 March 2018 13: 22
        Exactly condemned!!! but not shot! and precisely from 39 to 53!
  91. +4
    6 March 2018 13: 05
    A typical Stalinist article.

    The criminal Stalinist rule was built on the destruction of former comrades-in-arms and intimidation of the population, with the extermination of those who disagree.

    The population could be taken quietly, shot in basements, and at night, quietly, criminally, buried in mines outside the city.
    Not a kilometer from the outskirts of the city

    Golden Mountain - (original name "Bald Mountain") - is located on the northern outskirts of the village of Shershni near the city of Chelyabinsk, known as a place of mass graves.
    Several mines, 8-15 m deep to the top, are filled with layers of remains of those executed by the NKVD in the Southern Urals.

    Any normal person would exterminate the population - only a complete paranoid.
    1. +4
      6 March 2018 13: 26
      It’s typical rudeness of a liberal to post some photos with remains and attribute them to the actions of Stalin, instead of blaming his fellow countryman Trotsky or Yezhov for these crimes, the People’s Commissar of the NKVD, but no one is smart enough to blame Stalin.
      1. +2
        7 March 2018 11: 54
        Quote: Mstivoy
        It’s typical rudeness of a liberal to post some photos with remains and attribute them to the actions of Stalin, instead of blaming his fellow countryman Trotsky or Yezhov for these crimes, the People’s Commissar of the NKVD, but no one is smart enough to blame Stalin.


        Who nominated Yagoda?, and Yezhov, and Beria? And who was supposed to control them and “put together” the execution lists?
        A very convenient position - Stalin “knew nothing”, but was an “effective manager”, he controlled everything...
        And to abolish the presumption of innocence - to introduce troikas, this is a crime against humanity - to decide issues of life and death without evidence, without the possibility of legal protection - this is the crime of Stalin / Dzhugashvilli. This didn’t happen even under the Tsar.
        1. +2
          7 March 2018 14: 24
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          and Beria?

          Beria distinguished himself primarily by organizing (at Stalin's initiative) a large-scale review of criminal cases with the release of hundreds of thousands of innocent people from prison, and the arrests of unscrupulous investigators.

          Have you been banned from Google since you don’t know this in 2018? Or are you just lying?

          Quote: DimerVladimer
          And who was supposed to control them and “put together” the execution lists?

          The governor of Texas is also “swinging hit lists.” This is a formality - the head of state is obliged to sign court verdicts. Take note for the poorly educated.
      2. +2
        7 March 2018 12: 11
        Quote: Mstivoy
        It’s typical rudeness of a liberal to post some photos with remains and attribute them to the actions of Stalin, instead of blaming his fellow countryman Trotsky or Yezhov for these crimes, the People’s Commissar of the NKVD, but no one is smart enough to blame Stalin.


        A typical excuse for a Dzhugashviliist - Stalin is good - Yagoda..Yezhov is bad.
        Nikolashka is bloody - but he didn’t quietly shoot the population, didn’t bury them at night outside the city...
        The Dzhugashviliists are even worse with logic than with their heads
        1. +1
          7 March 2018 14: 25
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Nikolashka is bloody - but he didn’t quietly shoot the population

          He shot the population in broad daylight.

          And not by a court verdict, but just like that - by troops with machine guns and artillery.
        2. +1
          7 March 2018 17: 12
          YOU got it all wrong, Stalin did not bury those shot outside the city at night, but ate them!
    2. +4
      6 March 2018 19: 50
      Go and really get treatment for your paranoia, read real historical documents, not Solzhenitsyn’s fairy tales, “one woman said, one engineer said, 100 million were shot...”.
  92. +4
    6 March 2018 15: 57
    Quote: Olgovich
    The man was shot, but he was not present at the “trial” and “conviction”, he did NOT have protection, could not justify himself. But I got a bullet.

    Where is this from? NOT all cases were considered by "troikas", only where a person was caught at the crime scene. I know a case where a troika sentenced to death a young man, the son of a professor. His name was Vadim... He robbed trains and killed people.
    Pure criminality. Taken in the act of crime. Was sentenced by the troika to death.
    1. +3
      6 March 2018 16: 36
      How from? Don’t you know where all this is coming from? We've read Solzhenitsyn, figured out the rest, how much intelligence does it take to flog nonsense?
  93. +1
    6 March 2018 17: 17
    Yosiv Dzhugashvilli, nicknamed (Stalin), is the most natural Georgian bandit and bastard who robbed banks and killed people under the tsar, they couldn’t catch half of the country, shot him and transferred him to a concentration camp according to onanim, who robbed everyone, took the last and staged a bloody massacre with Hitler between blood brothers by the Germans and Russians under the name of the Great Patriotic War and then trampled all the veteran officers into the dirt, which is what they are doing now.
    1. +3
      6 March 2018 18: 17
      Quote: sarmat81
      Yosiv Dzhugashvilli, nicknamed (Stalin), is the most natural Georgian bandit and bastard who robbed banks and killed people under the tsar, they couldn’t catch half the country, shot him and transferred him to a concentration camp according to onanim, who robbed everyone

      Great. Will there be any arguments? Well, at least about:
      Quote: sarmat81
      and with Hitler he organized a bloody massacre between blood brothers Germans and Russians
    2. +5
      6 March 2018 19: 53
      My God, some people's heads are filled with crap.
      1. 0
        6 March 2018 21: 33
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        what kind of crap do some people have in their head?

        You're full.
        You made a slight mistake with your nickname. I should have called myself “Witness to Socialism.” Such a sect. Then everything would be true.
        1. +2
          7 March 2018 02: 18
          Quote: wer2
          You're full.
          You made a slight mistake with your nickname. I should have called myself “Witness to Socialism.” Such a sect. Then everything would be true.


          Are you still trying to squeeze at least a drop of milk out of yourself?
    3. 0
      6 March 2018 23: 14
      I heard a ringing and you don’t know where it is - Stupidity is a gift from God, but you can’t abuse it. It’s a pity that in a house for crazy people they put valinkas on the causal place. Soothes
  94. 0
    6 March 2018 18: 11
    Quote: Nitochkin
    Where do they “make” you (plural) like this? Stamp on a stamp. Apparently the brain is not used to think and analyze, but is used stupidly as a storage facility. What is filled in is what is broadcast.

    Yes good
  95. +4
    6 March 2018 18: 24
    If the humanist Stalin had shot the scoundrel Khrushchev, then history could have been completely different. We could continue cooperation with China, and subsequently not collapse the country...
  96. +2
    6 March 2018 18: 33
    wer2,
    Exactly. And one of them speaks a little higher (apparently on behalf of his sect) about excommunication from God. How can one be separated from God? His existence does not depend on whether anyone believes in him or not. You can excommunicate from the church (which is a sect), but it is impossible to excommunicate from God.
  97. +8
    6 March 2018 20: 55
    Stalin is a Russian nationalist, Russian nationalists say.
    Stalin is a communist, say the communists.
    Stalin - scum and villain, scum and rascals say.
  98. +4
    7 March 2018 00: 15
    Quote: seal78
    Stalin is a Russian nationalist, Russian nationalists say.
    Stalin is a communist, say the communists.
    Stalin - scum and villain, scum and rascals say.

    good hi
  99. 0
    11 March 2018 11: 31
    Quote: shuravi
    Quote: To be or not to be
    Shuravi "By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?"
    This is an essay (how far it is from an essay) Mironov figures and taken from the ceiling
    “In our country, according to various estimates, from 3 to 5 million homeless people,” said the leader of the Just Russia party, Sergei Mironov. “These people were actually outside society for a variety of reasons, often beyond their control.”
    The performance of Rosstat for the 2010 year was less than the estimates given by Mironov, approximately 50 – 80 times


    Yes, Rosstat, he is such a Rosstat. Did you understand what you said?

    “There are lies, there are damned lies, and there are statistics.”
  100. 0
    11 March 2018 15: 14
    It’s not for nothing that the leader was poisoned by the enemies of the people

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