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Why hate Stalin

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“My name will be slandered, many misdeeds will be attributed to me. World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union, so that Russia will never rise again. The edge of the struggle will be aimed at separating the outskirts from Russia. With particular force, nationalism will lift its head. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations ... ”
I. V. Stalin


"Stalin is the center, the heart of all that radiates from Moscow all over the world."
French writer A. Barbusse


65 years ago, 5 March, 1953, great national leader Joseph Stalin passed away. The man who was able to revive the Russian empire in the form of the Soviet Union, who won in World War II, created powerful armed forces, the nuclear shield of our Motherland, the best science and education in the world.

In the “democratic Russia” created in 1991-1993, he was declared a maniac and a bloody dictator. Why is Stalin so hated by various Westerners, liberals and parochial nationalists? The answer is simple. Stalin was a true national leader who devoted his whole life to solving global and national problems of the Russian civilization and the Russian people. He forced to serve the Motherland without sparing himself the government and the Communist Party. After death, he left no riches, no accounts in foreign banks, no palaces and villas, no stolen billions and gold. His treasure was the Soviet superpower.

The most important thing: Stalin showed the main road of the future great Russia (USSR) and all mankind - the society of the “golden age”, the society of social justice, service and creation. A society dominated by ethics of conscience, and the person is the creator, creator, serves the motherland and the people. Stalin showed an alternative way of development of all mankind. The masters of the western project and civilization are building an unjust world order — a global slave, slave-holding, caste civilization, where there are a bunch of “masters of life and money”, “elect” who are allowed everything and who have access to true knowledge, the most advanced achievements of science, technology, medicine. And the rest of the people are immersed in the darkness of poverty, do not have access to normal education and health care, constantly intoxicated with various drugs: tobacco, alcohol, heavier drugs, food substitutes, information-virtual illusions, etc. Their life span is consciously reduced, spirituality , intellect and physical condition are suppressed, descend to the level of two-legged weapons, cattle.

At the same time, Western “elites” are constantly developing and implementing plans to reduce human “biomass”. So that more resources remain “chosen”, so that you can create a clean planet, without bipedal “viruses” that kill the Earth. This is junk food, and planting people on drugs, with the suppression of normal immunity and the lack of normal programs for the physical and spiritual development of people. This is the creation of a society of stress, where people spin like squirrels in a wheel, extracting resources for a “normal” life, but in reality they are losing mental and physical health, sitting down on stimulants and dopeful people to temporarily forget. It is also a consumer society, which destroys both the planet, its biosphere, and man himself, as part of a common living system. A person is transformed into an animal consumer completely dependent on the “masters of life”. This is a system aimed at destroying the reproduction of humanity - the promotion of abortions, contraceptives, ideas of childlessness, homosexual marriages, various perversions (perverts do not give birth to children), virtual sex, on-line sex robots, etc.

Under Stalin, the USSR began to build a just state and society, a society of service and creation, a society with the domination of the ethics of conscience. Hence, the most powerful spiritual national impulse, which allowed not only to create a superpower, to win in the most terrible stories mankind war, but also to eliminate all the consequences of the most brutal world slaughter, to create a socialist camp, which allowed to confront the Western world, relying on their colonies and semi-colonies. Popular support allowed building an independent national economy, supplying all the necessary Soviet people and even supporting the allies, creating the best armed forces in the world, eliminating the threat of a new open large-scale attack on the USSR-Russia for several generations (most of the people of Russia live in the world only because of this foundation ), to create the best in the world science, education, a system that reveals the creative, creative potential of children and young people, and much more.

The common people idolized him during the life of Joseph Vissarionovich. They sang songs about him, put monuments to him, appropriated his name to cities and large enterprises. Stalin and his government embraced a shattered and ruined Russia, which went through the catastrophe of a previous development project in 1917. The Bolsheviks (Russian communists), contrary to popular belief, had practically no relation to this catastrophe, they had simply taken power in the lost “old Russia”. They offered the people a new project - the Soviet civilization, which was in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people. They managed to create a Soviet superpower - they returned most of the lands they lost during the years of turmoil, defeated Japan and Germany, to whom Tsarist Russia lost. The Soviet Union included half of the planet, including China, in its sphere of influence. During the years of Stalin’s reign, the national economy was rebuilt, becoming more efficient than those of the leaders of the capitalist world, created advanced industries that had only the most advanced powers - aircraft, shipbuilding, mechanical engineering, machine-tool construction, chemical industry, military industrial complex, rocket production. Created nuclear weapon and created the foundation of the space industry. Eliminated unemployment, education and health care became free and accessible. Under socialism, children from poor peasant families who had no chance under capitalism became professors and marshals, pilot-aces and ministers.

Under the leadership of Stalin, World War II was won, when the masters of the West allowed the German Nazis, led by Hitler, to take power in Europe. The masters of the West were afraid of the Soviet project. Russia was becoming an alternative center for a new just world order. The sympathies of a significant part of humanity, the best people of the Earth, were on the side of the “solar” Soviet civilization. As a result, in essence, the “European Union” was created, led by Germany and all its power - military-technical, demographic and economic was thrown against Soviet civilization, which challenged the domination of the West over the planet. However, the Russian (Soviet) army defeated a strong and cruel enemy. The eastern and part of Central Europe, including East Germany, has come under the influence of Moscow. The Soviet Union defeated militaristic Japan, taking revenge for the shame of the Russian-Japanese war 1904-1905. and regaining its influence in the Far East. With our help, the Communists won in China and the Celestial Empire recognized the USSR as the “elder brother”.

Stalin did not flinch before the atomic threat from the United States, which conducted a bloody "test" of nuclear weapons in Japan. Moscow had such powerful armed forces that the United States and Britain and the allies did not dare, immediately after the end of World War II, to launch the “hot” Third World War (although there were plans). Soon Moscow created its atomic bomb and quickly created a first-class nuclear arsenal. The West began the “cold” Third World War - an informational, ideological, economic, secret war of the special services, a war on the territory of other countries (the Korean War, etc.).

Therefore, our enemies in the West and Russian Westernizers, who betrayed the USSR and the ideals of socialism, social justice, and hate Stalin. They created a mass of black myths to slander the great popular leader. However, the truth finds its way even in the atmosphere of total lies. Therefore, the image of Stalin is now again popular among the Russian people. During his reign, people had faith in social justice, in the future of the people and the country. A powerful economic, scientific, technical, educational, cultural and military foundation was created, which allowed Russia to live to the present day.

Even the outspoken enemy of the Union and the irreconcilable anti-communist, the famous British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, speaking in the House of Commons on December 21 1959, on the day of Stalin's 80 anniversary, recognized his outstanding role in the world: and the cruel times of the period in which his life passed. Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and inflexible will power, sharp, cruel, merciless in a conversation that even I, brought up here in the British parliament, could not oppose. Stalin primarily possessed a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of all times and peoples. Stalin made the greatest impression on us. He had a deep, devoid of any panic, logically meaningful wisdom. He was an unsurpassed master to find a way out of a most hopeless situation in difficult moments of his journey. In addition, at the most critical moments, as well as at the moments of the celebration, Stalin was equally restrained and never succumbed to illusions. ”

Why hate Stalin

F. Shurpin. The morning of our Motherland. Xnumx
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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 March 2018 05: 55
    +93
    It is enough to simply read through the words of Stalin to understand how insightful this man was and one can only hope that he was really right and everything will happen as he foresaw
    "Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage.

    And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me. World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again.
    The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, opening the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy chiefs will appeartraitors within their nations.

    In general, in the future, development will go in more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be especially agitated. There will be sharp contradictions with the West. And still, no matter how events develop, but time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the affairs and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due.
    They will build their future on our past.
    "

    (I.V. Stalin. From a recording of a conversation with A. Kollontai)
    1. dSK
      dSK 5 March 2018 06: 16
      +14
      The pendulum of history moves from anarchy to dictatorship and passes the point of equilibrium. "Mess" order tired of everyone. Descendants will remember our time as "liberal paradise".
      1. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 5 March 2018 07: 34
        +11
        Just foolish people, except you see an alternative to the mess only in the dictatorship.
        But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.
        1. Svarozhich
          Svarozhich 5 March 2018 08: 21
          +54
          I feel sorry for you and your surroundings.
          1. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 5 March 2018 08: 50
            +51
            At the grave of I.V. Stalin

            No, comrade Stalin, do not understand
            To mongrels that bite the pedestal -
            Do not erase their memory, do not take away,
            Those of your great bright years.


            I stand .. I stand at those graves
            To the left of the entrance to the Mausoleum ...
            Give me, leader, patience and strength,
            Survive all the vileness of our days.

            To withstand the mockery of the insolent,
            Temporarily sneaking into power,
            Over the affairs of grandfathers and fathers ...
            Let me stand and not fall

            Teach you how to win
            In him you are a god! An example of this is a country,
            What lifted you into space. Use it!
            And, thanks to you, she is alive.

            Strengthen me in faith Honor,
            Amid the rampant vile passions
            What is the name of self-interest, servility, flattery,
            Roads for many people.

            No, comrade Stalin, do not understand
            To the mongrels that bite the pedestal,
            That they won’t take you from us,
            You are forever! And their attempts are perishable ...

            Evgeny Gusachenko
            1. My address
              My address 5 March 2018 09: 17
              +44
              hi Alyona!
              And we will get all the bastards,
              And immediately understand every reptile,
              That Stalin was very kind to them,
              What is it only he is to blame!
              1. Anti-Corr.
                Anti-Corr. 5 March 2018 11: 26
                +42
                If you imagine that I.V. began to run for the elections of this year Stalin
                you can be sure that all other candidates are incl. President, would immediately have withdrawn from the election and stood at attention.
                The name of Stalin would unite everyone and the Zaputinians and the sternis, and the rest would simply be quiet under the sofas.
                1. Alber
                  Alber 5 March 2018 13: 19
                  +16
                  Quote: Anti-Corr.
                  If you imagine that I.V. began to run for the elections of this year Stalin
                  you can be sure that all other candidates are incl. President, would immediately have withdrawn from the election and stood at attention.

                  "... Stalin was a real national leader who devoted his whole life to solving global and national tasks of Russian civilization and the Russian people. He forced to serve the motherland without sparing himself the government and the communist party .. ".


                  Both the government and the party! Made to serve PEOPLE, MOTHERLAND ...
                  And who is the current government, the United Russia, the parliament serving?
                  1. Anti-Corr.
                    Anti-Corr. 5 March 2018 13: 23
                    +12
                    Quote: Alber
                    And who is the current government, the United Russia, the parliament serving?

                    the answer is obvious, stuff their pockets, well, to their patrons.
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            3. Olgovich
              Olgovich 5 March 2018 11: 45
              +3
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              That they won’t take you from us,
              You are forever! And their attempts are perishable ...

              Our Soviet people sings a lot of songs
              Above the fields, dense forests.
              Sounds in every song, lives in every song
              Popular Stalin's name.
              .
              This name we carry everywhere with us
              With him, all breadth is open, all have given.
              We will all follow you for the feat
              Our banner of victory our Stalin!
              ..
              Enemies cannot whiten us.
              Over Soviet soil, the light will not be replaced by darkness,
              The Sun-Stalin shines above her.
              ..
              Stalin is a Narod that goes to victories
              On tops of cloudless slopes.
              Stalin - our affairs
              Stalin eagle wings
              Stalin - the will and mind of millions.

              This name we carry everywhere with us
              With him are open all breadth, all tributes.
              We will all follow you for the feat
              Our banner of victory our Stalin !!!


              And someone misses THIS: "Stalin-the Sun"request No.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 5 March 2018 11: 57
                +3
                Quote: Olgovich
                And someone misses THIS: "Stalin-the Sun"

                Stalin's rating in Russia is approximately 45%, but of these 45%, only about 12% want to live in the time of Stalin laughing .
                Many now want Stalin for someone, but not for themselves!
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 12: 54
                  +29
                  But no. According to a Levada Center survey, 45% rate Stalin’s activity as “extremely positive,” 40 as “rather positive.”
                  That is, 85% are rated as positive.
                  I wonder who wants the past? Do you personally want without a mobile phone, plasma, computer and everything else?
                  Eka surprised, "they do not want in the days of Stalin."
                  You also write that these guys do not want during the time of the primitive communal system, in caves and skins and hunt a mammoth with a club.
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas 5 March 2018 13: 02
                +7
                Quote: Olgovich
                And someone misses THIS: "Stalin-the Sun"
                Sam I.V. Stalin legalized the traditional forms of religion that had been subjected to harsh repression by the Soviet government.
                This contributed to the departure from the personality cult of the communist leaders in the form that was practiced in the USSR until the mid-40s. Nevertheless, the “communists” who came after his death again raised a wave of militant atheism, and he was accused of just planting a cult of his own personality, which he was forced to endure due to the prevailing traditions inherent in both a clan (pre-class) society and socialist, actively erasing differences between classes; here in the same row are the Kimov cult in the DPRK, and the Mao cult in the PRC, etc. Beginning with Khrushchev, a tradition was born to praise leaders during their lifetime and spit upon them after death / resignation.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 5 March 2018 15: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  Sam I.V. Stalin legalized the traditional forms of religion that had been subjected to harsh repression by the Soviet government.

                  And he began this legalization with the explosion of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
                  1. Fedot57
                    Fedot57 5 March 2018 19: 39
                    +5
                    Well, it was not Stalin who blew up, but Koganovich ....
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 5 March 2018 21: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: Fedot57
                      Well, it was not Stalin who blew up, but Koganovich ....

                      Under the nose of the Kremlin, and Stalin is not at work as always.
                      Is Stalin a sucker or something that, without his knowledge, were not considered to have blown up the main churches of Moscow?
                      1. Alber
                        Alber 6 March 2018 13: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Quote: Fedot57
                        Well, it was not Stalin who blew up, but Koganovich ....
                        Under the nose of the Kremlin, and Stalin is not at work as always.

                        Please specify in which year the HHS was blown up?
                  2. Tula gingerbread
                    Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 15: 22
                    +3
                    And restored patriarchy.
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 5 March 2018 09: 15
            +49
            Svarozhich Today, 08:21 ↑ New
            I feel sorry for you and your surroundings.
            Yeah, that's interesting, but older people what are the last names? Not Svanidze with Gozman for an hour?
            Today is a really sad date, really LEADER passed away! Ordinary people felt and cried, because they saw off Stalin, did not see anyone off. The people felt that he was orphaned. Actually, the collapse of the USSR began precisely with the death of Stalin. It was the Trotskyist, coward and traitor Khrushchev N.S. turned from the Stalinist path of development and this was the beginning of the end of the great state. The Soviet Union under Stalin was truly a truly people's state, made by the people for itself. Under Stalin, the party elite was not torn from the people, did not hide behind the backs of the people, but on the contrary led the people from victory to victory, giving themselves and their children to serve the people. Such people are now gone and most likely will not be. Stalin was silver-free and the environment was appropriate. What kind of people were ... Eternal glory to them and eternal memory!
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 58
              +5
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Stalin was silver-free and the environment was appropriate.

              Well yes. And a dozen government buildings were also built for him by “silverfish”. And the Trotskyists threw more than three and a half million rubles into the safe. https://cccp.temadnya.com/709999161239406983/mif-
              o-bessrebrenike-staline /
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 5 March 2018 10: 03
                +51
                Teterin, at least on such a day, could you not shine your vile physiognomy?
                A pig will find dirt everywhere, even where it does not and cannot be.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 19
                  +5
                  Mr. Varyag, is it really a special day today? March 5th, a wonderful spring day. I see no reason to avoid talking to you. However, if my person evokes negative emotions in you, it is not at all necessary to inform me of this. You can experience the shock of this event in splendid isolation. I am a kind and sensitive person, I will not be offended.
              2. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 11: 09
                +38
                And that he inherited these dachas to his children? Do you like talking nonsense? These were not "Stalin's dachas", but STATE dachas.
              3. ELEZKIY
                ELEZKIY 5 March 2018 11: 50
                +33
                Mr. Lieutenant, it would not hurt to throw your brains
                1. Coma_64
                  Coma_64 5 March 2018 16: 41
                  +13
                  There’s a bone, where to throw something? These unclean teters have one song.
              4. avva2012
                avva2012 8 March 2018 09: 07
                +4
                Lieutenant Teterin
                And a dozen government buildings were also built for him by “silverfish”.
                http://belrussia.ru/page-id-3733.html?utm_campaig
                n = transit & utm_source = mirtesen & utm_medium =
                news & from = mirtesen
                This is where this good comes from. It is not necessary to carry out an association with Belarus, this is "White Russia", the site of the new-born non-living. I wasn’t able to find where I was registered, but the “partners” were pleased))): http://belrussia.ru/list-c-partners.html: Concerning the exchange of links, you can contact via ICQ: two-two-two-448-428 Alpher admin number. Going further and what do we see? http://www.promagik.ru/page.php?al=konnect Topics of partners: Esoterics, Energy, Ritual magic, Astral plan, Mantica, Yoga, DEIR, NLP, Others. laughing Teterin, what are you specifically interested in from those topics?
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 5 March 2018 10: 02
              +5
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Stalin was silver-free

              The modest man himself was already settled in the Kremlin.
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 5 March 2018 10: 06
                +52
                RUSS Today, 10:02 ↑
                The modest man himself was already settled in the Kremlin.
                What can be answered to complete idiocy ?! belay request And where was he supposed to settle, in a hut? fool
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 5 March 2018 10: 51
                  +5
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  And where was he supposed to settle, in a hut?

                  Of course in a hut, he was an ascetic, as you say, that he would have lived in a hut in an irremovable pair of boots and a tunic.
                  1. Tula gingerbread
                    Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 11: 12
                    +40
                    Was the Kremlin the property of Stalin? Another illiterate cheater.
                    The youth ALL the Soviet government settled in the Kremlin, and when it settled there, Stalin was not the first person in this government.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 5 March 2018 13: 11
                      +8
                      Was the Kremlin the property of Stalin? Another illiterate cheater.

                      Here you are certainly right.
                      But why, then, are “Communists," among whom many Stalinist adherents write about giving the GDP and Rosneft "his"
                      I hate double standards, and I don’t like the current “communists” (quotation marks are not accidental), who ... loved Stalin’s legacy, who REALLY was a great leader.
                      1. Tula gingerbread
                        Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 15: 23
                        +2
                        Then I agree with you. I also do not like unproven statements.
                      2. Petr petrov
                        Petr petrov 11 March 2018 09: 17
                        0
                        The analogy is not applicable !!!!!
                        Look at least at these palaces with the luxury of our slave from the galley !!!!!
                  2. Igor V
                    Igor V 5 March 2018 11: 31
                    +29
                    Quote: RUSS

                    Of course in a hut, he was an ascetic, as you say, that he would have lived in a hut in an irremovable pair of boots and a tunic.

                    Your unicellular sarcasm, in the comments on such an article, looks like a crushed bug. Vile and stinks. Excuse me, I could not restrain myself, I expressed the truth.
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 5 March 2018 12: 01
                      +4
                      Quote: Igor V
                      Your unicellular sarcasm, in the comments on such an article, looks like a crushed bug. Vile and stinks. Excuse me, I could not restrain myself, I expressed the truth.

                      Igor, do not apologize, everything is fine.
                      Forums before this exist to argue and defend their point of view. And about the truth, so it is for everyone ....
                    2. Tula gingerbread
                      Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 12: 55
                      +4
                      The truth is not always pleasant, but in this case, very useful.
                      1. Looking for
                        Looking for 5 March 2018 15: 16
                        -1
                        That's for sure, BUT !!! where is the criterion that your truth is the TRUTH ?.
                  3. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 5 March 2018 12: 40
                    +10
                    So your idol, Nikolai No. 2, and my brother clearly lived in a hut, and the Russian oligarchy lives in caves in Barvikha, London and Cyprus in general.
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 5 March 2018 15: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      So your idol Nikolay №2

                      Unlike the Stalinists, I do not and will not have idols.
                2. VeneraNina200
                  VeneraNina200 11 March 2018 22: 00
                  +1
                  Well, Stalin was serving a link in Turukhansky, it’s not for you a sofa victim to talk about the role of Stalin in building an empire and increasing its power
                  About you, traitors - Pygmy Stalin shrewdly tale - read the title above
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 5 March 2018 12: 28
                +16
                The modest man himself was already settled in the Kremlin.
                List the personal dachas of the current. Or do you think he lives in a SKIF trailer?
              3. tv70
                tv70 5 March 2018 13: 28
                +2
                Yeah, he also had a library ... fellow
          3. ammunition
            ammunition 5 March 2018 12: 37
            +12
            The article is simply wonderful.!
            It alone is missing - That the deepest aspirations of the overwhelming mass of the whole nation (95%) instinctively supported the values ​​of that life. And Stalin found ways to these values. He expressed the aspirations of the people.
            -------------------
            One pity .. He would have 25 years to rule. Maybe he would have time to fix the only defect of the USSR. Namely - Militant Yiddish atheism, and the cult of Marxism - Leninism.
            -----------------
            PS in vain minus canceled.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 5 March 2018 12: 56
              +9
              Quote: ammunition
              Maybe he would have managed to fix the only vice of the USSR. Namely - Militant Jewish atheism

              Here you are very mistaken, Stalin was one of these most militant atheists, his difference from the atheism of Lenin and Trotsky was that he, Stalin, when it was beneficial for him, compromised with the Church during the war ...... . brothers and sisters, the opening of temples, monasteries, etc.
              Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov and other comrades were not just militant atheists, they were fanatics, madmen, and this whole company of the possessed was not capable of any compromise.
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 5 March 2018 13: 11
              +4
              Quote: ammunition
              Maybe he would have managed to fix the only vice of the USSR. Namely - Militant Jewish atheism, and the cult of Marxism - Leninism.

              And here I completely agree (about the only vice), that is, initially the Country of Soviets was doomed, since it is impossible to build a new kingdom on the ruins of the Orthodox kingdom, albeit under the Soviet name, with a completely wild atheistic ideology.
              1. Svarozhich
                Svarozhich 6 March 2018 12: 02
                +1
                We are all doomed from birth, but few people stop it.
            3. Looking for
              Looking for 5 March 2018 15: 20
              +5
              Militant Judean atheism, do not you think that this is nonsense. As a group of people who believe in God !!!!, even if their own. Being atheists?
              1. ammunition
                ammunition 5 March 2018 15: 55
                0
                Quote: Seeker
                Militant Yiddish atheism, do not you think that this is nonsense


                The fact of the matter is that it is not nonsense. -)) This is politics! And the word "jew" is not used in the sense of the Jews. "Jew" is an non-national word.
                1) Firstly, it is necessary that the "goys" be atheists.
                2) Secondly, there are enough unbelievers among Jews.
              2. bober1982
                bober1982 5 March 2018 17: 30
                +4
                Quote: Seeker
                Militant Yiddish atheism, do not you think that this is nonsense

                What nonsense is this, this is the homespun truth of life, unfortunately.
                This is when the priest was led to be shot, and the entire Russian execution team (depraved) ran away, the Chinese and Magyars also scattered, and the young (and not young) commissars in leather jackets (burrs) coolly killed the priest.
                And you say nonsense.
            4. Petr petrov
              Petr petrov 11 March 2018 09: 19
              +1
              Zhidovsky atheism !!!!
              Well and nonsense !!!!!!
        2. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 5 March 2018 09: 24
          +45
          Quote: Dr_Engie

          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.

          Sausages more? Is there any meat in this sausage ???
          When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on. Your tomorrow was guaranteed by the state and naturally by your desires and efforts ... You could not go to the doctors for examination by class and you couldn’t lose it ..
          Even the movie was different and the TV screen .. Or do you like House -2 better?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 5 March 2018 10: 04
            +7
            Quote: To be or not to be
            When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on

            According to veterans, the housing issue has only recently been resolved, and half of the country still lives in Soviet huts, now it’s true that they are being resettled
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 5 March 2018 10: 54
              +6
              In childhood, I lived in the Urals in three barracks in turn. And I do not know what it is by hearsay. We lived normally. And the toilet on the street is common ... ME and ZhO Then they gave it in a stone house with a warm toilet and a bathroom with .. Titanium ..
              A federal resettlement program from old housing has been adopted and is being implemented - modern houses have been built .. The city cannot be recognized
              Of course, there are a lot of problems - roads. Medicine. local government. the availability of jobs ... But. life goes on
            2. shuravi
              shuravi 5 March 2018 11: 01
              +20
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: To be or not to be
              When the Union did not think about tomorrow. Learn. work get an apartment and so on

              According to veterans, the housing issue has only recently been resolved,



              What is the question that appeared after the 1991 year?

              and half of the country lives in Soviet huts, now it’s true and they are resettled


              Firstly, getting out of such housing during the USSR was quite easy. And if anyone lived there, then in most cases there was a conscious choice because of certain prospects. Now from hopelessness.
              By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?
              1. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 5 March 2018 11: 59
                +3
                Shuravi "By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?"
                This is an essay (how far it is from an essay) Mironov figures and taken from the ceiling
                “In our country, according to various estimates, from 3 to 5 million homeless people,” said the leader of the Just Russia party, Sergei Mironov. “These people were actually outside society for a variety of reasons, often beyond their control.”
                The performance of Rosstat for the 2010 year was less than the estimates given by Mironov, approximately 50 – 80 times
                1. shuravi
                  shuravi 5 March 2018 12: 02
                  +11
                  Quote: To be or not to be
                  Shuravi "By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?"
                  This is an essay (how far it is from an essay) Mironov figures and taken from the ceiling
                  “In our country, according to various estimates, from 3 to 5 million homeless people,” said the leader of the Just Russia party, Sergei Mironov. “These people were actually outside society for a variety of reasons, often beyond their control.”
                  The performance of Rosstat for the 2010 year was less than the estimates given by Mironov, approximately 50 – 80 times


                  Yes, Rosstat, he is such a Rosstat. Did you understand what you said?
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 5 March 2018 12: 03
                +3
                Quote: shuravi
                By the way, are you aware that in the Russian Federation alone there are about 5 million homeless people?

                There were tramps before, only they were isolated from sight, heard anything about the "vagrancy gene"?
              3. your1970
                your1970 5 March 2018 12: 24
                +1
                Quote: shuravi
                Firstly, getting out of such housing during the USSR was quite easy. And if anyone lived there, then in most cases there was a conscious choice because of certain prospects. Now from hopelessness.
                - easily in what ways ??? You may not know, but those whom NOW relocated from barracks is TE who lived in barracks all his life.All the barracks of the times of the USSR ...
                1. Petr petrov
                  Petr petrov 11 March 2018 09: 45
                  0
                  Almost 30 years there is no USSR !!!!!
                  And all Soviet power is to blame !!!!!
            3. Gardamir
              Gardamir 5 March 2018 12: 29
              +7
              half of the country lives in Soviet huts
              26 years as yours in power, but they were able to build houses.
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 12: 58
                +13
                The houses are half empty, because people do not have the money to buy these apartments.
                Nobody gives out apartments for free.
              2. your1970
                your1970 6 March 2018 08: 16
                0
                Quote: Gardamir
                half of the country lives in Soviet huts
                26 years as yours in power, but they were able to build houses.
                - unlike the Soviet regime, the current one did not promise communism by the year 2000, but slowly the Soviet barracks are resettling ...
            4. vlad_vlad
              vlad_vlad 5 March 2018 13: 36
              +1
              All lovers of Stalin sincerely wish Stalin to the head. all non-lovers - the opportunity to quickly wash off.
              repetition is the mother of learning!

              Comrade Stalin - You are a great scientist,
              Linguists who know a lot,
              I'm a simple Sovetsky prisoner
              And my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.

              For what I’m sitting, honestly, I don’t know
              But the prosecutors are apparently right.
              And so I sit in the Turukhansk region,
              Where under the king you were in exile.

              And here I am sitting in the Turukhansk region,
              Where the guards are strict and rude
              I understand all this, of course,
              As an aggravation of the class struggle.

              Either rain, now snow, then midges above us,
              And we are in the taiga from morning to morning,
              You here fanned a flame from a spark,
              Thank you, I'm basking in the fire.

              I see you like you in a party cap
              And in a tunic you go to the parade,
              We chop wood, and Stalin's slivers,
              As before, they fly in all directions.

              Yesterday we buried two Marxists,
              We did not cover them with kumach.
              One of them was a right dodger,
              The second, as it turned out, had nothing to do with it.

              Live for a thousand years, Comrade Stalin,
              And no matter how difficult it would be for me
              I know there will be a lot of iron and steel
              Per capita in the country.
              1. Conserp
                Conserp 6 March 2018 00: 02
                +5
                The author of the poems - now a professional Russophobe - sat on a purely criminal article.

                Stalin, such a had, for some reason believed that criminals should be imprisoned.
                And which is characteristic - the whole country considers the same.
                But you personally are against it. Probably because you yourself are a criminal?

                Are you stealing? Are you robbing? Or what is more interesting? How many walkers are on the back?
                1. wer2
                  wer2 6 March 2018 10: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Conserp
                  Stalin, such a had, for some reason believed that criminals should be imprisoned.

                  Why didn’t you plant yourself?
                  1. Tula gingerbread
                    Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 15: 28
                    +2
                    Interestingly, but d ... is that such an argument?
          2. lady.endzhi
            lady.endzhi 5 March 2018 12: 19
            +6
            To be or not to be
            Yeah, and in the Union of Foreigners they loved more than their citizens. Any Negro at Birch seemed like a celestial, he could help us buy a thing, not a Soviet sledgehammer. And how they drove Russians from hotels with foreigners - like garbage. And how they planted for dollars, if it turned out to be more than 50. And as in stores with empty counters, it stank of rotten herring and bleach. And how people were killed with free medicine - there were no expensive and necessary medicines for "not their own". And how did you only pop yours into prestigious universities such as MGIMO and humanitarian faculties of Moscow State University? And as judged for any bag of potatoes dug on the collective farm field, this despite the fact that the collective farmers' salaries were purely nominal, because it was believed that they had their own subsidiary plots - that is how they plowed on two fields for practically free of charge. And how they lived on the reservations, not having the opportunity to move to another place of residence, they even took passports from the collective farmers so that they could not do this. And how ... and how ... you can continue this ad infinitum. But my great-grandfather was condemned for carrying a calf carcass to a field camp, which was rotten in the heat (southern Russia), and each family has its own Soviet story. Have you brought a tablet of electricity prices unchanged over several years? And how many ruble reforms have we experienced during the Soviet era? At least 5-6, and all the miserable accumulations of workers flew into the chimney. Compare - under the tsarist regime, the ruble has been a hard currency for more than two hundred years.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 5 March 2018 12: 32
              +8
              rotten in heat
              How many days did he go? Or brought a fresh calf home, and collective farmers rotten out of the house?
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 03
                +13
                About the empty shelves. Well, firstly, they’re not so empty, and secondly, who forced you to buy in the store? There was everything on the market. More expensive, but that’s it.
                By the way, our ancestors knew how fresh meat can be kept a couple of days in the heat.
                Nettled around.
              2. lady.endzhi
                lady.endzhi 26 June 2018 01: 56
                0
                Quote: Gardamir
                rotten in heat
                How many days did he go? Or brought a fresh calf home, and collective farmers rotten out of the house?


                An hour, perhaps, maybe more - on a chaise to a distant field camp. In addition, it is not known how that carcass was stored before the great-grandfather was only a charioteer, not a storekeeper.
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 00
              +15
              This is a vinaigrette! He dumped everything in a heap. The sweetest in the history of the USSR there were different times, and you presented the matter so that everything you described (often gossip) was all 70 years of the USSR.
              Typical cheating.
            3. Conserp
              Conserp 6 March 2018 00: 05
              +4
              Vinaigrette of idiotic liberoid propaganda cliches in which cretinistic fantasies about "selected passports from collective farmers" are mixed in a heap with empty stalls of the 1990s.
              1. lady.endzhi
                lady.endzhi 26 June 2018 02: 06
                0
                Conserp (Conserp)
                What are you saying? All these facts took place, and I spoke not about the counters of the 90s, but about the Soviet counters. You go to the store - one herring and canned food and the smell of bleach, clogging the smell of rotten meat. I don’t argue - sometimes they threw something away and the crush was still the same, and not everyone got it. But in the Kuban, for example, (and this is the agricultural region) there was never meat in stores, and butter was only in Krasnodar, and the whole region went there to go to Moscow, like all the Moscow Region. You say this was not long before the perestroika? Then you are a liar just.
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 5 March 2018 15: 23
            +5
            It was necessary to write as intelligibly as possible-4 (FOUR !!!!!!!) pennies per kilowatt.
        3. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 5 March 2018 09: 39
          +45
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          Just foolish people, except you see an alternative to the mess only in the dictatorship.
          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.

          The only thing I agree with you is that Dictatorship is not an alternative!
          But the rest ... I, not a poor man at all, and the apartment is excellent with a barrier and a fountain, and there is a country house, several cars, other nishtyaki, I fly - two times a year to rest, in short, my family is in abundance.
          But .... children go to kindergarten and school, where you need to pay for everything, and quite a bit, sport is all paid, medetsine is a separate issue altogether (Mom suffered a stroke, in the free form, that the policy lasted two days , go home, normal treatment plus rehabilitation, two and a half months - 5 thousand a day) well, I - paid and treated, and others ??? You will not believe with what envy and hatred, other (budget) old women looked at her procedures, not having the opportunity to get them. How did it come to this? Could you tell?
          Study, have you seen the program of modern education? Who is it prepared for? Imbeciles? I think successfully !!! Accordingly, additional training, tutors, etc. And the result is the stratification of children already at the level of kindergartens and schools. Two children from Me, Son and Daughter, from the moment of birth - a little bit, I save money for higher education, and I Patriot - to the marrow of bones, I do not want them to receive it in Russia. I know - what it is now like, Native sister, deputy rector, in a large university, the scale of not even a region, country.
          Food, for an hour I read what is written in the composition, like relatives, familiar from childhood products - before buying them. Read too - be surprised !!!
          The general mood in society is each for itself. This is normal? Homeland, too, each in "his" varying degrees of comfortable comfrey - will we defend ??? And one hundred grams of fighting - to whom is viskar - to whom is hawthorn? All this is sad.
          And I - well, not at all an oligarch who holds 95% of all blessings in his hands.
          Therefore - definitely, in the USSR it was better! Social elevators worked, people - not only did something for themselves, but also for the Country. Society as a whole - was UNITED !!! AND UNBEATABLE. Something like this. hi
          1. Antivirus2k
            Antivirus2k 5 March 2018 11: 08
            +20
            And what does Stalin have to do with dictatorship, is it just interesting to me? What was the dictatorship? What kind of parasitism planted? Well, now you yourself are running for jobs. What was shot? And now you would not want to shoot any conditional and not conditional Chubais? What was not allowed abroad? Well, wait a bit and the next "sanctions" from the West will ban you from entering their countries. What is the dictatorship? Or is it just a beautiful word, barking at them like frozen eggs?
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 11: 17
            +28
            With regard to housing, all critics once “forgot” that during the Second World War 70% of the housing stock in the European part was destroyed.
            And it was necessary to restore not only housing, but also industry, schools, hospitals, and in the end to create a nuclear shield.
            Half of the funds from the USSR budget went to the atomic project.
            Can one of the critics say how many residential buildings were destroyed in the United States during World War II? Well, or at least chairs?
          3. SERGEY KOZLOV
            SERGEY KOZLOV 5 March 2018 11: 34
            +31
            Thanks for the comment. I was born in 1952 in June, on the banks of the Dnieper in the family of an officer, and my memory keeps pictures of the 50s in Krustpils of the Latvian SSR, 60s in the GDR in Eberswald, 70s in Cherkassy, ​​Odessa, Sevastopol, Kiev, Kazakhstan, in Nefteyugansk, in Murmansk, the 80s in Kiev and Moscow ... I remember how the mood and the state of society gradually changed, As from the mood "If my native country lived ..." we gradually crawled to the mood "You are me, I am you" and now, after 60 years, I clearly see that then, in March 1953, they didn’t just kill Stalin, but turned the arrow on the path of the Soviet state and sent him to a standstill. The people then lived for a long time in the euphoria of the Great Victory and hopes for a brighter future, there were no street children, there were no strangers' children, there were no my huts from the edge ... but gradually they were raised. And if I compare these years with confidence I can say that the best time was then, in the 50s, the whole country lived as one big family, where mutual assistance was considered the natural and most correct behavior of each person. This was not the merit of Khrushchev and his team, it was the merit of Stalin, who was BELIEVED and could not even fit into the minds of people that next to Him, especially in the Central Committee of the party, there could be enemies capable of HIS murder. Naive? Yes, but that was the calculation. It was possible with Stalin, it was possible with Beria, it was possible with the party, it was possible with the whole country. We had to go this mournful way, survive the fall and disappointment, betrayal and humiliation in order to learn how to survive in this wolf world. The Russian people are a led people, they lead it, they lead through the collapse of illusions, purification by fire to Great Glory!
            It is said: Nothing unclean will enter the Kingdom of God.
            Always and in everything you need to start with yourself. Personally.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 24
              +12
              And I have preserved old photos, family ones from the fifties, and everywhere funny faces, with children, with hope for the future. At family holidays, demonstrations, in the garden, there is a photo where my mother cooks in her kitchen for years, something for home living creatures and father at the gate in a T-shirt and wide, fashionable trousers.
              And I’m in the arms of a neighbor, one year old against the wall of the house, and the wall is entwined with bindweed.
          4. Lebedev
            Lebedev 5 March 2018 12: 08
            +3
            Emotionally on very true
          5. Andrey1961
            Andrey1961 5 March 2018 12: 36
            +5
            Decent answer !!!
        4. Antivirus2k
          Antivirus2k 5 March 2018 11: 04
          +16
          It’s strange, but I don’t know older people who believe that it’s better to live now. This is especially true for those who, for example, faced with old age with a new "beautiful" and "free" medicine. Apparently your environment is just those who normally managed to seize on in the 90s. Well, "happy" for them.
        5. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 11: 06
          +4
          I’m older and I don’t think so. Like many of my peers. And you should not speak on our behalf.
        6. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 5 March 2018 11: 30
          +16
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union.

          Each has its own environment. I’m not a Stalinist, and I’m not “drying up” at that time, but there are a lot of people around me who immediately remember Union and Stalin in today's life: “it was better under the Union,” “There is no Stalin for you ..” and. etc. And you know, I really understand them. After all the “happy” 90s and today's lawlessness, the authorities somehow want justice and so that the thief who has almost ruined the army is “put to the wall” and not given the next warm chair and the “Star of the Hero”, so that children poisoned in kindergartens , they planted, and not judged, so as not to break a new stadium, but built a new, etc. That is why those times are remembered with warmth.
        7. victor50
          victor50 5 March 2018 11: 58
          +1
          Yeah. You will not envy you ... where did you dig up so many "everyone"?
        8. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 13: 18
          +9
          It became better to live for drunks, thieves, corrupt officials, and parasites, big bureaucrats and businessmen who took their hands on that. which was created by the work of several generations of Soviet people who started from scratch, with a country destroyed by the civil war, when there were no oil dollars or gas fields, and as soon as the country stood on its feet, when the terrible war came, and again almost from scratch it was necessary to rebuild the country . Here's what you need to remember when comparing the welfare of people of the Soviet period and the present, who have been living for 75 years without a war (and again thanks to the titanic efforts to create a nuclear shield in a country destroyed by war), and if they live a little better, then in large cities, but in small towns, in villages where enterprises were ravaged, is hardly better.
          1. Looking for
            Looking for 5 March 2018 15: 33
            +3
            Of all the categories listed by you, I consider SOLE OFFICERS to be state officials !!!
        9. kotvov
          kotvov 5 March 2018 14: 15
          +5
          But all I know from older people think that living now, though not a cake, is better than with a union. ,,
          and you take an interest in what is better? you are by chance not a businessman (with whom the flippers were wrapped in the Union)? Those were called speculators. And for a simple people, the USSR is sweeter.
        10. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 5 March 2018 14: 51
          +13

          The economic problems of socialism ?! Then yes! Capitalism is slavery!
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 5 March 2018 14: 54
            +9

            Companions confirm ...
        11. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 10 March 2018 16: 01
          +2
          This is how to look from a historical point of view for the liberal thieves ’elite and its servants
          yes, for ordinary people it’s hopelessness. These are those people in the 90s during the Sabbath, from the train
          stagnation - a couple of cars were bitten off. An alternative to the mess of the dictatorship was the period from 1917 to 1922, the Civil War and the Entente and from 1922 to 1945 when the question was to be or not to be
          Millennial Empire An alternative was to guard the power and it was betrayed for 30 years received
          the rank of a sex rag are all the achievements that everyone wipes their feet about
          And there could be a strong prosperous power that was respected and feared.
          Soviet pensioner
        12. kuz363
          kuz363 28 July 2018 16: 29
          0
          Very close-minded people of your environment. Better in their opinion, without queues in stores and for tickets for an airplane or train. Without delving into the division of Russians into classes, universal paid education, medicine ...
      2. martin-159
        martin-159 5 March 2018 15: 14
        +6
        Liberal paradise, or paradise for liberals?
      3. Sma11
        Sma11 5 March 2018 22: 22
        +3
        Quote: dsk
        Descendants will remember our time as "liberal paradise".

        Descendants will remember our time as "Feast in Time of Plague"
      4. Thomas the Unbelieving
        Thomas the Unbelieving April 11 2018 22: 51
        0
        Before talking about anarchy, one should get to know what it is. I recommend reading the book P.A. Kropotkin "Anarchy." It was not for nothing that Lenin respected Prince Kropotkin, and we still have a metro named after him. The essence of his views is very simple: the life of all kinds of animals, from small birds to humans, is based on mutual cooperation and cooperation. These views were based on many years of research, which are very clear and accessible to them. Anarchy scientifically denies Anglo-Saxon individualism and competition. Note that Stalin also called the driving force of society criticism and self-criticism of the united collectives of people, where everyone helps each other. He hated betrayal, but was very attentive to ordinary people.
        In the first difficult post-war year, my mother wrote a letter to Comrade Stalin, where she complained that she had two World War II invalids and two teenagers in her arms, and she receives a dependent card. A week later, she was invited and informed that, according to instructions from above, she would receive a work card ..
        The second memorable episode of my life. In the summer of July 1943, I saw the first salute over Moscow in honor of the victory on the Kursk Bulge; I remember it not only because it was the first, but also because it was unusual, tracer bullets pierced the whole sky. And only many years later I heard the story of the Minister of Finance Arseniy Zverev that on July 5, 1943 at 5 o’clock in the morning (two hours after the start of the counterattack on the Kursk Bulge), Comrade Stalin called him. Apologizing for the late call, he asked what the Narkomfin was thinking about post-war monetary reform. This is how the strategy of the future was thought out.
        And finally. third episode. While working in the USSR State Planning Commission, I was faced with the fact that, unlike his successors, Stalin never considered documents without a protocol of disagreements of ministries and departments. Moreover, immediately after the war, Gossnab was created, headed by Kaganovich. Not for supply, an apparatus was created, numbering only 150 employees, but in order to analyze the projects of the State Planning Commission and give conclusions on them. Only in a bad dream could the dream of submission to the State Planning Commission of the Central Statistical Bureau, and the state bank, the entire financial system of the country be dreamed.
        Not everything was done right in those years, but in my humble opinion, there is no limit to perfection. and our current management system does not think about it.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 5 March 2018 06: 20
      +17
      Quote: svp67
      Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
      In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.

      Now take a close look at the presidential candidates in Russia, which of them would you trust your children and loved ones in difficult times.
      Which of them is able to cope with the work of the President of the Russian Federation? Is Sobchak really? belay crying
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 5 March 2018 06: 32
        +2
        Quote: Balu
        Now take a close look at the presidential candidates in Russia, which of them would you trust your children and loved ones in difficult times. Which of them is able to cope with the work of the President of the Russian Federation? Is Sobchak really? belay crying
        And Zyuganov will give these relatives or children to someone.
      2. svp67
        svp67 5 March 2018 07: 52
        +25
        Quote: Balu
        Is Sobchak really?

        I think this will say it all ...
      3. Alber
        Alber 5 March 2018 10: 56
        +3
        Quote: Balu
        Now take a close look at the presidential candidates in Russia, which of them would you trust your children and loved ones in difficult times.

        To beautiful Isaev ... you look at the face for a face and you understand - now it will crack
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 11: 18
          +5
          And I remember him still thin. Swelling lad, from daily overwork to the benefit of the people. laughing
      4. Andrey1961
        Andrey1961 5 March 2018 12: 39
        +4
        There is only one answer so far, let the one who is now the head of state remain !!!
    3. Finches
      Finches 5 March 2018 06: 29
      +42
      Joseph Vissarionovich, a figure in our history, although controversial, but massive! What did he do such that he did not, for example, Peter I? After all, everything is the same:"O powerful sovereign of fate! Aren't you above the abyss itself, At the height of the bridle of iron, raised Russia on its hind legs?" - created a mighty red Empire, which then, like a rag-king ravaged the Peter Empire, and here, he sold Marked, the same weak-minded henpecked ... Parallels, however! But the fact that he is still terrifying all the liberals looking into the mouth of the Anglo-Saxons is worthy of respect! You look at these dull ur ... comrades, such as Navalny, Sobchak, Gozman, Misha 2.0% and others, you understand that then, given the time, he had no way to put such ones to the wall - therefore and they won the war against a united Europe and flew into space first! But he would have been lazy, then Russia, if it existed on the political map of the world, it would be exclusively within the Garden Ring, and even that is not a fact!
      1. dSK
        dSK 5 March 2018 06: 45
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        but
        When comparing statistics, for some reason they take the pre-war 1913. Two hundred years, as in a fairy tale, according to the "pike command, according to my desire" - time! fellow and Empire from ocean to ocean, gentlemen wizards.
        1. Finches
          Finches 5 March 2018 06: 50
          +10
          1913, as a point for comparative analysis, the same was formed under Joseph Vissarionovich and with his light hand! As the peak of the economic development of the monarchical Empire, it was necessary to show by this example that "Life has become better, life has become happier".
      2. zyzx
        zyzx 5 March 2018 07: 07
        +17
        Quote: Finches
        What did he do such that he did not, for example, Peter I?

        For example, he won the World War, under Peter there was a demographic failure, and under Stalin, despite the war, growth.
        1. dSK
          dSK 5 March 2018 07: 55
          +24
          Joseph’s mother, Ekaterina Georgievna, was a Puritan woman who often pounded her only surviving child, but was infinitely loyal to him. She was disappointed that her the son never became a priest. In 1886, Ekaterina Georgievna wanted to appoint Joseph to study at the Gori Orthodox Theological School, however, since he was completely did not know Russian, he failed to enter. In 1886-1888, at the request of his mother, they began to teach Joseph the Russian language children of the priest Christopher Charkviani. As a result, in 1888 he entered not the first preparatory class at the school, but immediately into the second preparatory, in September of the following year, enrolling in the first grade of the school, which he graduated in June 1894 (after six years of study). In September 1894, Joseph passed the entrance exams and was enrolled in the Orthodox Tiflis Theological Seminary. (wikipedia)
          Joseph Vissarionovich, Orthodox, baptized, did not manage to finish the seminary, was preparing to become the priest, with such talents he could become a patriarch. The Lord God doesn’t do anything “by chance”, he has prepared for him a different fate. "Joseph"according to the bible saved his race became Israeli people, from starvation. Joseph Vissarionovich saved Russia, having cleared for forty years of Zionists:
          Quote: svp67
          Zionism striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 11: 22
            +6
            If I remember correctly, Stalin graduated from seminary, but refused to take final exams, because he was already carried away with revolutionary ideas at that time.
            That is why he did not receive a certificate of completion of the seminary.
        2. Finches
          Finches 5 March 2018 07: 56
          +3
          Peter won the Northern War, at that time almost world! I’m not sure about demography ... after all, 30 million were lost and most of them are young men and women, but I won’t argue.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 5 March 2018 08: 50
            +6
            many times about the "loss" - where, in what loss to record the forest brothers, Vlasov-policemen, Bandera. Polish "brothers", battalions of the Crimean Tatars and the sowing of the Caucasian, Baltic SS ??? are they 27 million or repressed in 46-53gg? and the White Guard, 2 million in exile, how many died against the USSR?
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 March 2018 09: 18
              +4
              This, I'm sorry, what are you doing?
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 5 March 2018 09: 22
                +2
                and why are you -30 million? Maybe -50 million?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 5 March 2018 09: 41
                  +1
                  Well, let it be a figure according to official statistics - 26,6 million dead, still not a scientific debate, but I still took into account not only the dead, but also those who remained abroad, who died from wounds in the first years after the Second World War, etc. D., therefore, allowed here so freely to round! I think that it is not quite far from the true hi
                  1. antivirus
                    antivirus 5 March 2018 10: 08
                    +4
                    died of wounds in the early years - IS THIS BANDER FORGIVENESS OR WAR OF THE RKKA-SA?
                    how many citizens of the USSR (Poles do not consider East armies in the USSR to 46 g and write all those who died in WWII from these lands to their own losses) were against the USSR? what losses did the Red Army-CA and the WIDE OUR PARTIES AND OPPONENTS without reference to citizenship passport !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    this is important and no one knows
                    the Germans still have not figured out (do not want) the fate of 1 million missing people - you participated in these discussions

                    AS THE GREATEST EXPERT - I STAR - LOSSES - 8 MILLION RKKA-SA,
                    6 MILLION OUR CITIZENS; THE ENEMIES WERE ENEMIES, INCLUDING IN THE TERR-I USSR
                    no one can refute this nonsense with numbers. only fairy tales about "cruel Stalin" and "good Truman"
                    and demographic loss-loss may be 27-30 million people
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 5 March 2018 10: 15
                      +1
                      In this case, we were talking with a zyzx colleague about demographics, and not about the status of participants.
                      1. antivirus
                        antivirus 5 March 2018 10: 19
                        +1
                        war on one’s territory or on another’s - then the main thing in this dispute
                        and the role of the IVS-Molotov-Zhukov is not tied
                      2. Severomor
                        Severomor 5 March 2018 16: 02
                        +4
                        not about the status of participants.

                        Yes, they are just trying to convey to you about the incorrect calculation of losses during the war on their territory.
                        Here is an example: the beginning of the war, in the Baltic Military District, and now on the North-Western Front there are three corps - the 29th Lithuanian Rifle Territorial Corps (2 divisions) in the 11th Army, the 24th Latvian Rifle Corps (2 divisions) and 22 2st Infantry Corps (Estonian) (27 divisions) consisting of XNUMX armies.
                        And where to attribute the losses from these buildings? Died for us? Fled to the Germans and died for them? Fought for freedom in the Waffen SS in the national legions? Fought against the USSR in the form of "forest ....."
                  2. Sugar Honeyovich
                    Sugar Honeyovich 6 March 2018 15: 47
                    0
                    26,6 million - this is just taking into account those who left in different ways abroad (5-5,5 million), and not just the dead.
            2. Andrey1961
              Andrey1961 5 March 2018 12: 46
              +3
              Someone human, and someone nobility which can not be considered damage !!!
          2. Conserp
            Conserp 5 March 2018 10: 28
            +9
            Quote: Finches
            all the same, 30 million were lost, and of these, most of the young men and women

            Of the 26 million, only 8 and a half million were soldiers, including 2 million prisoners.
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 March 2018 10: 34
              +3
              Duck is arguing the same ??
              1. Conserp
                Conserp 5 March 2018 11: 56
                +8
                Many do not know.
                Many people believe that 26 million is just the military losses of the army.
                "Filled with corpses", according to Boryusik Sokolov & Co.

                Therefore, always, always need to do this clarification.
                1. VeneraNina200
                  VeneraNina200 11 March 2018 23: 20
                  +3
                  In the Soviet Union, it was officially said - Losses in the Second World War amounted to
                  20 million of them military losses 9 million, military losses
                  German fascist 9 million excluding losses of its allies
                  bring everything to the point of absurdity Many, these are those liberal propagandists who are drugged, brought to a state of intellectual dullness
                  order
                  1. Conserp
                    Conserp 11 March 2018 23: 42
                    +1
                    This was said a very long time ago when it was physically impossible to evaluate them.

                    Even now, it is completely impossible to accurately determine population loss. For example, every 90-year-old grandmother, whom the Germans shot or burned alive, and who would not live to be 45 years old, cannot be taken into account. But the Germans themselves did not keep statistics on the population being destroyed.

                    Demographic losses amount to approximately 26 million people.

                    USSR military losses - 8.6 million killed (including 2 million prisoners killed in concentration camps). The figure is pretty accurate after digitizing the archives.

                    Our German prisoners were not destroyed, and therefore millions of German prisoners fall out of such statistics.
                    1. VeneraNina200
                      VeneraNina200 14 March 2018 00: 11
                      0
                      Liberal propagandists say military losses amounted to
                      the numbers diverge 20-30 million, that is, all the corpses have failed But this
                      bullshit and the young generation is being led into it, it’s washing
                      brains I want to note, ordinary ordinary participants in the Second World War said so in
                      50 tenths, 60 tenths The first year and a half was hard and
                      then they drove the Germans, the wrong German went Knocked out those who conquered Europe
        3. Gloomy
          Gloomy 5 March 2018 09: 37
          +6
          In 2018, there are still people who believe in the myth of a reduction in the population of Russia during the reign of Peter I, launched “into the people” by a freemason, an honorary doctor of the University of Cambridge PN Milyukov, implicated in treason (February coup) .. .
          Back in 1977, the book of the historian Yaroslav Vodarsky, “The Population of Russia at the End of the 1678th - beginning of the 1719th Century”, was published, where he, on the basis of archival data, showed that the population of Russia during the period from 39 to XNUMX not only did not decrease, but grew by XNUMX%.
      3. seal78
        seal78 5 March 2018 08: 36
        +8
        I don’t agree about Peter. He, in my opinion, is just closer to Gorby. For some reason, everything tried to make us look like the West, bowed to Western liberal ideas. He did a lot of good, but Stalin in this regard (the benefits brought to the country) is much more unequivocal.
        1. seal78
          seal78 5 March 2018 08: 39
          +11
          In my opinion, it is much more correct to compare Stalin with Ivan the Terrible.
          1. Finches
            Finches 5 March 2018 09: 18
            +7
            Ivan the Terrible completed the process of forming a centralized state begun by Ivan III, but then he could not leave behind a sensible heir and the country plunged into trouble! By the way, the same, in some way, our political tradition - after a strong ruler, Nikolai 2, Khrushchev, Gorbachev come ..., but it was Peter who created the Russian Empire, as a subject, we will speak the modern language of international law! And Stalin, reorganized the world's first socialist Empire! Therefore, such a comparison would be more appropriate, and why this construction was in place for the people in both cases, we will not forget the same thing - not from the point of view of the state, but from the point of view of the tragedy of simple human fatehi
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 5 March 2018 09: 35
              +19
              Eugene, hi great things require great sacrifices. And Peter and Stalin ruled the empire at times when the question was to be or not to be. Sweden is the strongest in Europe at the time of the clash with Russia, Nazi Germany is not that strong, under its fifth ALL Europe and all this power is thrown to Russia.
              Neither Peter nor Stalin would have succeeded if they had been dead. And in both cases, the modernization of not only the entire production was required, but also the modernization of the very way of life. So if it weren’t for the sacrifices that our people suffered then, it’s not at all clear, but would there be a state now under the name of Russia and the Russian people as such ?!
              1. Finches
                Finches 5 March 2018 09: 44
                +6
                Alexei, it’s hard not to agree with your point of view! hi How can one not recall Remarque’s phrase about the fact that the death of one person is a tragedy, the deaths of millions are statistics sometimes attributed to Joseph Vissarionovich by all sorts of librarians!
            2. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 5 March 2018 12: 21
              +4
              Quote: Finches
              And Stalin, reorganized the world's first socialist Empire!

              However, the 58th article "smacks of", paragraph 10. You are a lucky person, you live under Putin, and not under Joseph Vissarionovich. Now such "reservations" have become the norm, but under the "red emperor" (damn, also 58-10), people picked up phrases more accurately.
              Do not hold evil, it's just me, thinking out loud ....
              1. Finches
                Finches 5 March 2018 12: 41
                +7
                Under Joseph Vissarionovich - even moderators would sit on this site ... laughing laughing
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 5 March 2018 13: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Finches
                  Under Joseph Vissarionovich - even moderators would sit on this site ... laughing laughing

                  Under Stalin, there was no Internet, since the Internet is the brainchild of the enemies of the bourgeois Americans. wassat
                2. EwgenyZ
                  EwgenyZ 5 March 2018 14: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Finches
                  Under Joseph Vissarionovich - even moderators would sit on this site ... laughing laughing


                  Yes, yes! Therefore, it is so sweet to write about "Paradise gone," being safe.
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 5 March 2018 15: 36
                    +3
                    Relative security .... hi
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            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 5 March 2018 09: 52
              +29
              lwimu1976 Today, 09:38 ↑
              Finding in love and death
              an inexhaustible topic
              Would tear off your hands to your governor and you for posting such an abomination, but it’s a pity they won’t reach you through the monitor. An abomination, mocking at a dead lion, every jackal can, but from this the jackal does not cease to be a jackal!
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 27
                +10
                These are the gubermans, Svanidzis, Gozmans and pour mud on Stalin.
            2. fighter angel
              fighter angel 5 March 2018 17: 00
              +7
              Only one question is the MODERATOR, WHERE ARE YOU ???
              Why is this NASTY OFFENSIVE RHYTHMO WEAVING HERE ???
              1. VeneraNina200
                VeneraNina200 11 March 2018 22: 45
                +1
                Moderators, censors, write similar about liberals, democrats in such terms
                and the powers that be, wrote it doesn’t pass Not Moderators but censors - dogs, like that
                angel fighter
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 5 March 2018 15: 40
            +2
            ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 5 March 2018 09: 46
          +4
          [quote = seal78] Here about Peter does not agree. He, in my opinion, is just closer to Gorby.
          And I do not agree with you. Peter 1 was the first of the rulers of Russia to begin the industrialization and development of sciences in Russia, including and this is his historical merit to the descendants. hi
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 5 March 2018 12: 50
            +2
            historical merit
            yeah switched to the European calendar, cut the alphabet. And he raised the economy by shaving beards. If we talk about the great ones, then Prince Potemkin did a hundred times more for Russia than Peter. Both our Crimea and Novorossia are all the merits of Potemkin.
            By the way, we don’t know the story. Why did Karl come across to Ukraine when Petersburg is closer, by the way why did Napoleon go to Moscow when Petersburg was closer and the king was there?
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 March 2018 13: 29
              +7
              Gardamir, there are answers to your questions and they are being disassembled at military academies, they have been disassembled, but for now I will not say. Karl was experiencing economic difficulties. Sweden gave everything to the war and simply survived, and he needed to feed the expeditionary army, so he went to the gracious Ukraine. Napoleon ..., here is an interesting question, from the field of human psychology - what would be considered the Emperor of the Earth, I exaggerate a little, shortening, but he needed Moscow - like the Third Rome! His crown, the Emperor of the Great Roman Empire, would not have been complete without the spiritual heiress of Byzantium, and he did not pursue the goal of capturing and humiliating Alexander; he needed him for a campaign in Asia and violence against England!
              Nevertheless, what fate Bonaparte was preparing for St. Petersburg, today no one knows. But Napoleon allocated two corps for the attack on Peter. The tenth army corps of Marshal Jacques-Etienne MacDonald and the second army corps of Marshal Nicolas-Charles Oudinot. This army group "North" was opposed by the 1st separate infantry corps of Lieutenant General Peter Wittgenstein ... Not the point! History does not have a subjunctive mood and the incomprehensible plans of Napoleon do not belittle the courage of the Russian soldier and the people as a whole!
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 5 March 2018 14: 43
                +6
                Do not belittle the courage of the Russian soldier and the people as a whole!
                God have mercy, this is definitely not about me. I am proud of the defenders of the fatherland of all time.
                I will say it once again, now there is a lot of lies about the Union and few remember the truth with regard to the times of Stalin, especially Peter and such antiquity as the times of John, we just don’t know anything, well, almost nothing.
                For example, the title of Alexander 1
                By God's mercy, We, Alexander the First, Emperor and Autocrat
                All-Russian, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod, Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Khersonis of Taurida, Sovereign Pskov and Grand Prince of Smolensky, Lithuanian, Volyn and Podolsky, Prince of Estonia. Livonian, Kurland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Korelsky, Tver, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others; Sovereign and Grand Prince of Novgorod the Nizov land, Chernihiv. Ryazan, Polotsk. Rostov. Yaroslavl, Beloozersky, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondiysky, Vitebsk, Mstislavsky and all Northern countries Lord and Sovereign of Iversky, Kartalinsky, Georgian and Kabardian lands, Cherkasy and Gorsky Princes and other hereditary Sovereign and Possessor, Heir to Norwegian, Herzogs Gorzogs-Gorzogs Ditmarsensky and Oldenburgsky and Tsar Eversky and other, and other, and other.
                it can be used to study the history and geography of those times.
                However, I just wanted to say that we need to be careful about the judgments of ancient times, even if these are the childhood times of our parents.) hi
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 34
            +8
            I think you are wrong. This was begun by Ivan the Terrible.
            The first regular army - archers, with uniform staffs, weapons, uniforms, was created by Ivan the Terrible.
            Guns cast in foundries at monasteries were willingly bought in Europe.
            There are a lot of myths about Grozny, and among other things, his Sudebnik was a very progressive code of laws, and local self-government of the zemstvo was also established under him.
            Architecture, painting, mostly church, but also secular.
            Yesterday I watched a program about the Faceted Chamber, some paintings, walls, ceilings, forging, etc. on the Culture channel. And why is it worse than Michelangelo?
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 5 March 2018 10: 22
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        that then, given the time, he didn’t have another way, how to put the like to the wall

        The overwhelming majority of the “put to the wall” were rehabilitated, and the “decisions” about their execution by the state were OFFICIALLY convicted and called anti-legal, i.e. criminal.
        Shot, by the way, numerically, a few armies. Before the war, yes.
        NOBODY in the world and never did such a thing.
        Most of the enemies of the people turned out to be ... "people's" power fool
        Quote: Finches
        And almonds, then Russia, if it existed on the political map of the world, it would be exclusively within the Garden Ring,

        Yeah, thank you for:
        1. transfer of Russian Donbass to Ukraine:
        On February 17, 1919, the Defense Council of the RSFSR, chaired by Lenin, adopted a laconic decision on the fate of the Donetsk Republic as part of the RSFSR: “Ask Comrade Stalin through the Bureau of the Central Committee to destroy Krivdonbass". What he did Stalin: "There will be no Donkrivbass and it shouldn’t be, it’s time to quit doing stupid things ”
        . By its order, the Don province was created as part of Ukraine (from Russian lands). By the way, letters and requests to return the Donbass to Russia went to the Second World War.
        2. The creation of the UNION OF the Kazakh Republic, the KYRGYZ REPUBLIC from the body of Russia and the inclusion of the original RUSSIAN lands in it - the whole north of Kazakhstan.
        3. Creation from the RUSSIAN Bessarabian province .... THE MOLDOVAN REPUBLIC (NOBODY even asked!)
        "Thanks, yes request
        1. Finches
          Finches 5 March 2018 10: 28
          +15
          Olgovich hi First of all, no one is safe from mistakes, and even more so, it could not have occurred to anyone then that the USSR would fall apart and therefore the division into Ukrainian and Russian lands, Kazakh ones, was conditional, more ideological, to emphasize the brotherhood of peoples and their equality in a single state, as an example of peaceful coexistence! Yes, it was a time bomb, but I emphasize it once again - it couldn’t come to anyone’s mind that Mikhail Raisovich would seize power ... laughing As for the repressed, since Great Kukuruzo stood at the helm of the country immediately after Stalin, then not all the enemies of the people were put up against the wall ... And it’s not good for you, sensible, judging by the whole person, here to tell liberal stories about "billion personally shot by Stalin"
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 5 March 2018 12: 38
            +3
            Dear Eugene hi
            Quote: Finches
            Firstly, no one is safe from mistakes, and even more so, it could not have occurred to anyone then that the USSR would fall apart and therefore the division into Ukrainian and Russian lands, Kazakhs, was conditional, more ideological, that would emphasize the brotherhood of nations

            But why at the expense of RUSSIAN? belay ("Russian scoundrels" as announced at the 10th congress of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks)
            From Stalin:
            For the proper implementation of the national program, it is still necessary to overcome the obstacles that are inherited

            -This legacy consists, firstly, of remnants great power chauvinism being a reflection former privileged position of Great Russians

            - decisive struggle with remnants of Great Russian chauvinism is the first regular task of our party.
            - the starting point of our national program is the paragraph on the right of nations to independent state existence
            - But the main elements of independence, of course, remain with each republic, if only because each republic has the right to unilaterally withdraw from the Union.
            Quote: Finches
            Yes, it was a time bomb, but I emphasize it once again - it couldn’t come to anyone’s mind that Mikhail Raisovich is seizing power.

            Those. the existence of the country depends on .... ONE person ?! WHERE is this seen?
            Quote: Finches
            As for the repressed, then, at the helm of the country, immediately after Stalin, Great Kukuruzo, not all enemies of the people were put to the wall ..

            In what other country did MILLIONS of enemies of the people exist? Which themselves "made their way" in large numbers to ... the highest state posts? Remember what difficulties any state should introduce one or two scouts. And here, SELF-INDIVIDUAL people, at their own peril and risk, SUCCESSFULLY spread rot either industry, then C / economy, or the army, etc. lol fool
            Quote: Finches
            And it’s not good for you, sensible, judging by the whole person, here to tell liberal stories about "the billion personally executed by Stalin"

            Dear Eugene, my Russian people are not indifferent to me.
            100 years ago, he grew at a speed 3 million per year and the main question was WHERE TO TAKE THE EARTH ?!!, and since 1964 the people have already died out, and by 1980 only half a million empty houses stood in the Non-Black Earth region and the land was empty on a million hectares. Summary-Russian Cross
            Didn’t you have a question, WHY? In Europe, yes, there was nowhere to grow there a hundred years ago (263 people-km2, Belgium). But in Russia, where was 9,5 h / km2 and huge open spaces?

            -On the famines of 1932-33, 47g, unprecedented in the history of mankind -You know, these are many, many millions of victims, in no Africa this was
            - shooting of 600 people during the YEAR,
            - links of 2,5 million peasants (of which about 40% are CHILDREN), (600 victims), mortality is 000 times higher than the birth rate
            camps.
            - VODKA permission since 1923 and many times after an increase in output (soldering people) - as a source of money
            etc.
            In the 1930s, the beginning of a demographic catastrophe was laid: not a single generation that entered into working life since 1928 has reproduced itself ...

            Putin, March 2018: "Russia's main task is PEOPLE SAVING. "
            And then people did NOT cherish ..... request
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 March 2018 12: 50
              +9
              Olgovich! Kazakh in Kazakhstan is Kazakh, Georgian in Georgia is Georgian, Moldavian in Moldova is Moldovan ... but Kazakh in Russia is Russian, Georgian in Russia is Russian, Moldavian in Russia is Russian! The same Stalin in his toast at the Kremlin reception on May 24, 1945. :"For the Russian people!", because he did not divide his nationality, but felt the pride of his belonging to the Russian people! And this is the cornerstone of the existence of Russia and its original parts - time will pass, it will be understood by both Kazakhs and Belarusians, even Ukrainians ... There is no third! Only this will take evolutionary time! As for demography - it is slow and the victims of the war began to affect precisely at the time you indicated, as now - failure of the early 90s, and its peak only this year! hi
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 March 2018 14: 23
                +4
                Quote: Finches
                Kazakh in Kazakhstan is Kazakh, Georgian in Georgia is Georgian, Moldavian in Moldova is Moldovan ... but Kazakh in Russia is Russian, Georgian in Russia is Russian, Moldavian in Russia is Russian!

                No, I don’t understand: Moldovan in Russia is Moldovan, like Kazakh.
                Quote: Finches
                because he didn’t share his nationality, but he felt the pride of his belonging to the Russian people!

                He didn’t share it, yes: he took it from the Russians, gave it to others - land, money, resources
                Quote: Finches
                As for demography - it is slow and the victims of the war began to affect precisely at the time you indicated, as now - failure of the early 90s, and its peak only this year!

                Read what they have done to the countryhttp: //www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/t
                ema02.php
                WHAT FOR?!
                If you do not know how, leave, don’t take it! Moreover, no one asked or instructed ....
              2. Ragoz
                Ragoz 5 March 2018 22: 16
                +3
                Zyablitsov:
                When asked by a Western journalist Stalin "what nationality is he," Stalin answered, "I am a Russian man of Georgian nationality!"
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 36
              +6
              All the same myths. Not tired?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 March 2018 14: 01
                +5
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                All the same myths. Not tired?

                Truth. Tired of it?
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 15: 41
                  +3
                  "-On the famines unprecedented in the history of mankind 1932-33, 47g -You know, these are many, many millions of victims, there has never been such a thing in any Africa
                  - shooting of 600 people during the YEAR,
                  - links of 2,5 million peasants (of which about 40% are CHILDREN), (600 victims), mortality is 000 times higher than the birth rate
                  camps.
                  -resolution of VODKA since 1923 and many times after an increase in output (soldering of people) -as a source of money "
                  -------------------------------------------
                  This is called myths. Didn’t Smrnoff produce vodka under the kings? Wasn’t there a famine under kings?
                  680 thousand were settled from 25 to 54, more than half of them are criminals.
                  The rest is also said a long time ago.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 7 March 2018 09: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    This is called myths.

                    So develop at least ONE! You cannot, for it is true, not myths.
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    Didn’t Smrnoff produce vodka under the kings?

                    Under kings (1913), REMEMBER, 50% of men and 90% of women did not drink in general. Since 1914, the Prohibition Act was actually introduced, and since 1916, legally introduced, "for the sobriety of Russia for eternal times."
                    Secretly canceled by balotourists in 1923, money was extracted for "sterilization." fool
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    Wasn’t there a famine under kings?

                    There was hunger, but there were no deaths from starvation since 1891 (and even 400 thousand can not be compared with 7 million 1933). And NEVER, remember, in Russia there was no cannibalism and corpse-eating, as in the USSR. LEARN the history of the Motherland: http://new.rusarchives.ru/publication/hunger-ussr
                    /1933_15.shtml.
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    680 thousand were settled from 25 to 54, more than half of them are criminals.

                    Help Pavlova-VM for 37-38 g- 650 thousand.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 March 2018 10: 01
                    +1
                    Tula gingerbread
                    execution during YEAR 600 000 people
                    680 thousand were settled from 25 to 54, more than half of them are criminals.

                    If not more.
            3. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 13: 41
              +5
              But was there an opportunity at this most difficult and most difficult time for the country to protect the people? In a war, there are situations when, for the sake of salvation, thousands have to be sent to certain death, this is the cruel law of struggle, and the country during this period was in varying degrees of bitterness constantly in a state of war, this is a fact.
              No, well, maybe if you, at this historical period, led the country, thanks to your ingenious abilities, you would have looked at the brutal resistance inside and the hostile environment of the outside country would have carried out industrialization, collectivization of agriculture, raising the cultural and educational population level, and even the war with Hitler’s Europe, you won with just one left, but what can you do, Russia was not lucky, you were not in the Kremlin during this period.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 March 2018 14: 11
                +5
                Quote: Svidetel 45
                But was there an opportunity at this most difficult and most difficult time for the country to protect the people?

                What time is 30 years? Of course, it was possible and even the DUTY of the state to protect, preserve and increase it.
                Moreover, in words and in newspapers it was so!
                NOT A WORD in the newspapers of that time you will find about the many millions of victims of hunger, hundreds of thousands of gunmen shot, millions exiled. NO them!
                Quote: Svidetel 45
                the country in this period was in varying degrees of bitterness constantly in a state of war, this is a fact.

                there was no war, that's a fact
                Quote: Svidetel 45
                No, well, maybe if you, at this historical period, led the country, thanks to your ingenious abilities, you would have looked at the brutal resistance inside and the hostile environment of the outside country would have carried out industrialization, collectivization of agriculture, raising the cultural and educational population level

                ALL countries, like a thousand years, Russia BEFORE these, "pursued by enemies" fool , lived, built and developed WITHOUT these atrocities. And nothing, lived and live.
                Once again, these victims were NOT officially. All was good".
                WHY were silent, if in your opinion, it was so necessary, huh?
                AFRAID that the people would be horrified.
                The whole rule of the defenseless Bolsheviks who are ever offended and pursued by the "enemies" is a lie, a lie and a lie
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 16: 10
                  +5
                  "Without these victims"? Lying again. All of Europe is covered in blood knee-deep. Starting with enclosure, and so on.
                  You do not know the story. Bias interferes.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 7 March 2018 09: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    "Without these victims"? Lying again. All of Europe is covered in blood knee-deep. Starting with enclosure, and so on.

                    Examples lead flooded the blood of OUR citizens of countries. 20th century. 19th, 18th is also possible. Examples of multimillion-dollar victims of starvation with carcass in Europe in the 20th century.
                    You can not? No you can not. And who are you after that?
                    The usual ignoramus ..
                    Quote: Tula gingerbread
                    You do not know the story. Bias interferes.

                    You do not know the story. But what prevents ... I think that ordinary LITERACY.
                    1. Conserp
                      Conserp 7 March 2018 14: 09
                      +3
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Examples of multimillion-dollar victims of starvation with carcass in Europe in the 20th century.

                      "Victims of Holodomor" pulled themselves up.

                      Run back to the Maidan to ride.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 7 March 2018 15: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Conserp
                        Run back to the Maidan to ride.

                        Quote: Conserp
                        "Victims of Holodomor" pulled themselves up.

                        Famine, except for Russia, was mainly in the territory New Russia, which the Bolshevik criminals gave the so-called Ukraine.
                        Those. most of the dead are Russian people.
                        Quote: Conserp
                        Run back to the Maidan to ride.

                        I do not follow the advice from Kashchenko. lol yes
                2. VeneraNina200
                  VeneraNina200 14 March 2018 00: 34
                  0
                  He has amnesia, forgot in the 90s how many liberal bosses of the innocent
                  souls ruined betraying people
            4. Captain45
              Captain45 5 March 2018 20: 06
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              and since 1964, the people have already died out, and by 1980, only in the Non-Chernozem Territory there were half a million empty houses and the land was empty on a million hectares. Summary-Russian Cross
              Didn’t you have a question, WHY? In Europe, yes, there was nowhere to grow there a hundred years ago (263 people-km2, Belgium). But in Russia, where was 9,5 h / km2 and huge open spaces?

              The number of people with 1964 began to decrease because women who were supposed to give birth were born between 1940 and 1945. What happened at this time in the territory of the Soviet Union, I hope it is not necessary to explain? Unlike Belgium, villages with residents were not burned there.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 6 March 2018 06: 21
                +1
                Quote: Captain45
                The number of people with 1964 began to decrease because women who were supposed to give birth were born between 1940 and 1945. What happened at this time in the territory of the Soviet Union, I hope it is not necessary to explain? Unlike Belgium, villages with residents were not burned there.

                In the 1930 the beginning of a demographic catastrophe: not a single generation entered the working life since 1928not reproduced itself ...
                Read http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/t
                ema02.php
        2. MrK
          MrK 5 March 2018 13: 00
          +8
          Quote: Olgovich
          Shot, by the way, numerically, a few armies.

          Dear Olgovich. Well, maybe enough already whining about the repression. Recently I read a wonderful article on Proza.ru: STALIN REPRESSIONS OF THE 30 OF THE YEARS. ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY ARE STALIN? http://www.proza.ru/2017/06/13/60. And I recommend you. If this question interests you. And not just pour slops over the Stalinist period.
        3. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 5 March 2018 19: 04
          +7
          Quote: Olgovich
          The overwhelming majority of those “put to the wall” have been rehabilitated, and the “decisions” about their executions by the state have been OFFICIALLY convicted and called anti-legal, i.e. criminal.

          To the question of the objectivity of rehabilitation. We’ll wait a little longer and the state will also rehabilitate the Vlasovites, as in Ukraine the Banderaites were re-established.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 March 2018 06: 39
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            To the question of the objectivity of rehabilitation. We’ll wait a little longer and the state will also rehabilitate the Vlasovites, as in Ukraine the Banderaites were re-established.

            Yes, 650 000 the person is "investigated" and shot during ONE year (37-38g) "correctly." fool The man was shot, but he was not present at the “trial” and “conviction”, he did NOT have protection, could not justify himself. But I got a bullet.
            Are you normal?
            Shooting cases in the NORMAL state are investigated for YEARS to rule out a mistake (you won’t get it back), and then for MINUTES a couple of drowns were "correctly" resolved.
            Yezhov, who did this, was shot. But he destroyed, in your opinion, right.
            Are you normal?
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 7 March 2018 02: 03
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              Are you normal?

              It is quite normal. They shot enemies of the people for specific crimes. And them in the 30s. there were many. At that time, my commander's father was the head of the district OGPU-NKVD, so he didn’t spend a night at home, every night in the area there were murders, arsons, or damage to socialist property. There was a category of slanders, they dealt with and released with him, but it happened (enemies of the people and in the NKVD were) and did not work. Therefore, objective rehabilitation can only be under the power of the working people.
              1. wer2
                wer2 7 March 2018 09: 27
                0
                Quote: Alexander Green
                It is quite normal.

                Your justification for the targeted destruction of compatriots in the hundreds of thousands a year makes you doubt it.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                only under the rule of the working people.

                The working people do not need power. He never had her. And she was never interested in it.
                And all kinds of crooks, allegedly representatives of the working people, we know from history. And again we do not want. Because after those previous ones, few people are left. And one more "representatives of the working people" Russia will not pull. Will die out.
                1. Mstivoy
                  Mstivoy 7 March 2018 10: 36
                  +3
                  To begin with, your statement about the "extermination of compatriots by hundreds of thousands a year" namely by Stalin, or by his decree, and even more so "lowered" is an unsubstantiated chatter, your second statement also does not contain anything logical "power to the working people not needed "this statement contradicts any form of interconnection in society and human nature.
                  1. wer2
                    wer2 8 March 2018 23: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Mstivoy
                    is unverified chatter

                    At the 20th Congress, did the Communists engage in "empty chatter"?
                    Quote: Mstivoy
                    it does not carry anything logical "The working people don’t need power" this statement contradicts any form of interconnection in society and human nature.

                    Once again, I will repeat to those who are in an armored train, the working people need jobs with good pay. The power people are not interested in power issues.
                    This is only the “leader of the world proletariat” (not working for a single day) Ulyanov was very interested in power.
                    And the leader of the working people of the whole world (formerly a professional robber-raider) Dzhugashvili, held onto her hands and teeth.
                    1. Mstivoy
                      Mstivoy 9 March 2018 10: 11
                      +2
                      For those who were in an armored train, at the 20th congress there was no criticism of Stalin, criticism was after the 20th congress ... And speaking of the criticism itself, yes, everyone who was engaged in chatter there, even though they positioned themselves as communists. And again, for those who are in an armored train, for the working people in the USSR, a system was introduced to familiarize themselves with the principles of the state apparatus and was introduced in all educational institutions; therefore, the objective of this phenomenon was nothing more than an attempt to involve working people in the process of governing the country, in other words, to politics.
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                2. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 8 March 2018 01: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: wer2
                  And one more "representatives of the working people" Russia will not pull. Will die out

                  While Russia is dying out today, and during the time of Stalin, the population grew, despite the most difficult war.
                  1. wer2
                    wer2 8 March 2018 23: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    and during the time of Stalin, the population grew,

                    Abortion was banned, and then had no idea about women's calendars. And they didn’t even hear about condoms. So it grew.
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    despite the hardest war.

                    And who turned this war into the hardest?
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 10 March 2018 09: 57
                      0
                      Quote: wer2
                      And who turned this war into the hardest?

                      Who?
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 7 March 2018 09: 29
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Green
                It is quite normal.

                No. For say this nonsense:
                Quote: Alexander Green
                They shot enemies of the people for specific crimes. And them in the 30s. there were many.

                Quote: Alexander Green
                I didn’t spend a night at home; in the area every night, there were murders, arsons, or damage to socialist property

                Sick person.....
                Quote: Alexander Green
                There was a category of slanders, they dealt with and released with him, but it happened (enemies of the people and in the NKVD were) and did not work. Therefore objective rehabilitation can only be under the power of the working people.

                Rehabilitation - what revive the hundreds of thousands of innocently executed? fool
                1. Mstivoy
                  Mstivoy 7 March 2018 10: 55
                  +4
                  With the same ease as you, I summarize your entire post, you carry complete nonsense and you are a sick person ...
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 10 March 2018 11: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Mstivoy
                    With the same ease as you, I summarize your entire post, You carry complete nonsense

                    Prove that this is "nonsense."
                    I brought dataand you with green are just chatter.
                    And who is raving? belay
                2. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 10 March 2018 09: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Sick person.....

                  Who would say that. It is you who dream of the dead with braids and bald men.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 10 March 2018 11: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Really who would say.

                    And do not say lol
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 11 March 2018 00: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      And do not say

                      Our sick, sorry.
    4. Pravodel
      Pravodel 5 March 2018 07: 48
      +16
      Add to this the liberal stench and rot, pouring mud on the leader of the peoples and driving the view of Stalin into the heads of our children as the enemy of all peoples, unleashing the Second World War, destroying their people, eliminating the color of the Russian intelligentsia.
      The main question is: where would this whole liberal party be, a bastard, if Stalin had not won the war, from what parents would Chubais, Gozman, etc. be born, if the USSR leader did not lead the peoples leader to victory? History gives us the answer. What would have happened under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev: the first cut the idea of ​​socialism at the root and created the conditions for spitting on our history, the second froze all development and thereby brought the country to such an existence in which people began to look to the West as a savior , able to provide sausage and free pants, the third generally betrayed and destroyed the country that our fathers and grandfathers had built, created under the leadership of Stalin. All of this is collectively called the "liberal coven in Russia."
      God loves trinity! Russia has already gone through all three stages of great horror: the 16-17th century, the betrayal of the elite, the great turmoil, the Polish invasion; the beginning of the 20th century, the year 17, the betrayal of the elite, the great turbidity of the consciousness of the people, the collapse of the empire, the civil war, the loss of part of Russia by Russia; the end of the 20th century, the 90s, the betrayal of the elite and the collapse of the country, the loss of part of the territory, the humiliation and impoverishment of the people.
      Russia has passed its Trinity; it has completely sipped a full cup. The Lord taught us from our mistakes. Finally, we realized that only a strong Russia with a united people is capable of
      to exist as an independent state, providing conditions for the multiplication and development of its people.
      Russia, having gone through all circles of hell, has risen from the ashes, and now it is obliged to protect itself from repeating the lessons that the Lord taught it: a return to liberalism in Russia should not happen with us, nor with our children, nor with the children of our children, not with our distant descendants. The defense of Russia from liberalism should be the memory of a people exalting the genius of Stalin, who saved the country and people from the monster of liberal Zionism in the early 20th century.

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every patriot of Russia: a strong state, a united nation, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
    5. Artek
      Artek 5 March 2018 08: 19
      +7
      Stalin built the country on his own understanding, namely, as the Union of Peoples, but it turned out that even under Stalin, some peoples like to group in good places, for example, the Union of Composers, or the Soviet film industry, or the Ministry of Commerce, medicine, and indeed the remaining "culture." By any repressions or, all the more, calls for internationalism, these efforts cannot be deduced even by Stalin.
      But all the Stalinist and non-Stalinist transformations were made at the expense of another people — already Russian. It was the Russians who suffered most from the evil revolution, collectivization, industrialization, war,
      on the other hand, the Union of Peoples was created, a state built on the ephemeral foundation of internationalism, which collapsed quickly as soon as these "union ingredients" began to move around.
      Stalin was an idealist, he wanted the best, he thought the peoples would live as one family and have equal rights, but this turned out to be impossible, because there is no brotherhood of peoples and there is no brotherhood at all, everything is only for itself. And the state is held together only by force.
    6. Olgovich
      Olgovich 5 March 2018 09: 27
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      It is enough to simply read through the words of Stalin to understand how insightful this man was and one can only hope that he was really right and everything will happen as he foresaw

      HOW can you grasp what he did NOT say? belay request
      Quote: svp67
      (I.V. Stalin. From a recording of a conversation with A. Kollontai)

      There was NOT such a conversation at all! From the Kollontai diary for that day ::
      “Stalin never saw. Annoyingly! "

      "Conversation" is given in the magazine Dialogue for ....1998 and 2004. belay

      Yes, and why would Stalin in 1939 did he give this "testament"?
      Yes, and who is the nympho Kollontai? ("The Road to the Winged Eros!" Letter to youth) request
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 March 2018 09: 41
        +7
        Quote: Olgovich
        From the Kollontai diary for that day ::

        Having settled in the Moscow Hotel, Alexandra Mikhailovna began to call V.M. Molotov.
        “I,” recalls Kollontai, “sit and expect Molotov at the reception. I have been waiting for hours. Secretaries return from the office and succinctly throw me:
        - No, still busy, wait. - ....
        With a certain feeling of dissatisfaction, fatigue and rising heavy responsibility, I slowly went to the hotel, sorting out the details of the meeting with Molotov, ”Alexandra Mikhailovna wrote. - I tried to resolve official issues regarding the People’s Commissar and the Foreign Trade Department as soon as possible and return to Stockholm. I wanted, especially after meeting with Molotov, to call Stalin. I broke out internally several times, but, realizing the whole situation, the tension of the moment and the responsibility that fell on Stalin, I could not bother him ...
        A few fussy days passed. I decided almost all my business and was about to leave. Suddenly a phone rang:
        - Comrade Alexandra Mikhailovna Kollontai?
        - Yes. I am listening to you.
        - Comrade Stalin invites you. Could you meet? And what time would you like?
        I replied that at any moment, as Comrade Stalin liked it. For a while there was silence. Apparently, the secretary reported to Stalin.
        “Can you now?”
        - Certainly can.
        - In seven minutes the car will be at the main entrance of the Moscow Hotel. Goodbye, Alexandra Mikhailovna ....
        Quote: Olgovich
        Yes, and to someone a nympho Kollontai

        You never know who did in his youth, the main thing is that at that time she was not the last person in our politics, this woman was the USSR Ambassador to Sweden and time showed that she was there in her place.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 01
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Having settled in the Moscow Hotel, Alexandra Mikhailovna began to call V.M. Molotov.
          “I,” recalls Kollontai, “sit and expect Molotov at the reception. I have been waiting for hours. Secretaries return from the office and succinctly throw me:

          Dear svp67,
          After all, it was simpler than simple to prove photocopy this "diary". But her, NO!
          As there is no visiting journal of Stalin visiting his Kollontai
          Quote: svp67
          Who did what in youth, the main thing is that at that time she was not the last person in our politics,

          What a youth at 51 years old? belay lol It was at this age that she wrote the "letter of youth "To the Winged Eros!" .
          And would he trust her will? No.
    7. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 March 2018 10: 36
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      It is enough just to get a grasp of Stalin's words, in order to understand how far-sighted this man was and it remains to hope that he really was right and everything will happen as he had foreseen.

      No, not enough. You should also know that he never said such words.
      "Stalin's talk with AM Kollontai" dated 1939 for the year is published in the 18 volume of the Complete Works of I.V. Stalin. So, Kolontay in November 1939, the year with Stalin did not meet at all. So she wrote in her diaries:
      "even though I was in Moscow only two days, an order came from Vyacheslav Mikhailovich to fly back to Sweden at 6 in the morning. I never saw Stalin. It's a shame!"

      How could Stalin say in 1939 that his affairs would be spat upon? How would he then know about the future de-Stalinization?
      The thing is that 18-th volume of Stalin’s PSS, as well as 17-th, as well as 16-th, 15-th and 14-th have nothing to do to historical Stalin because in Stalin's PSS total 13 volumes, and the rest is a phantasmagoric remake of 2000's, but at the same time cited as authoritative sources even in the official press and is sold in online stores. Citizens, beware! The authors of such articles and singing to them, you are taken for illiterate legkoverov and try to mislead.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 5 March 2018 10: 45
        +4
        I will specify:
        A.M. I quote Kolontai from the book "Diplomatic Diaries: 1922-1940", Volume 2. page 467
      2. Sinbad
        Sinbad 5 March 2018 11: 09
        +2
        It was the end of 60, the beginning of 70 of the 20 of the century. My grandfather, the deceased now, kept at the dacha in the shed of J. Stalin s.-100 volumes and V. I. Lenin's-even more. Publications "Stalin" printed during his lifetime. I read in secret, but did not understand much, boy. Now something is remembered - and understood!
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 5 March 2018 12: 42
          +6
          Quote: Sinbad
          It was the end of 60, the beginning of 70 of the 20 of the century. My grandfather, the deceased now, kept at the dacha in the shed of J. Stalin s.-100 volumes and V. I. Lenin's-even more. Publications "Stalin" printed during his lifetime. I read in secret, but did not understand much, boy. Now something is remembered - and understood!

          The fact that your grandfather saved the PSS was lucky for you, but the fact that there were hundreds of them seemed to you in early childhood. PSS V.I. Lenin - 55 volumes, and PSS I.V. Stalin - 13 volumes. Everything else, from the evil one.
          1. BAI
            BAI 5 March 2018 17: 01
            +1
            PSS I.V. Stalin - 13 volumes. Everything else is from the evil one.

            At the expense of Stalin - a moot point.
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 1. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 2. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 3. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 4. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 5. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 6. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 7. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 8. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 9. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 10. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 11. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 12. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951
            Stalin I.V. Works. Volume 13. - M .: State publishing house of political literature, 1951

            It announced plans to release TT. 14-16 with the following contents:

            T. 14 - works of 1934-1940.
            t. 15 - History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks). Short course
            t. 16 - works of the war period

            The contents of subsequent volumes have not been announced. After Stalin's death, the edition of the collection continued to be reprinted. After 1956, the edition of the collected works was interrupted and did not resume; volumes 14-16 were not published.
            In 1965, the Hoover Institute for War, Revolution and Peace (Stanford University) issued vol. 14-16, however, their content was slightly different from the planned Soviet edition:

            t. 14 - works from 1934 before the war
            T. 15 - works of war
            t. 16 - post-war work.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 5 March 2018 17: 20
              +3
              Quote: BAI
              Stanford University

              This is not a PSS. This is all amateur art + studio whistling under the direction of Comrade Kosolapov, who also produced something. Believe all this should be very careful.
    8. RUSS
      RUSS 5 March 2018 11: 05
      +7
      They hate Stalin for destroying the high command before the war, hate for collective farms, hate for the famine of the 1930s and 40s, hate for exile and repression against entire nations, hate for the fear in which society lived in those days.
      1. victor50
        victor50 5 March 2018 12: 16
        +5
        Insignificant little people, gray mass, including at the very top. They a priori cannot forgive a person that she is a person .... Stalin is a great figure ... Contradictory, but great .... And not "no", that the only thing that can be said about those who hold power now.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 5 March 2018 12: 56
        +5
        hate for
        but they love Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin ...
      3. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 39
        +2
        And again all the same myths and tales.
      4. Brother Fox
        Brother Fox 5 March 2018 13: 41
        +9
        [quote = РУСС] Stalin is hated for the destruction of the high command before the war [/ quote]

        And who fought: Rokossovsky, Vasilevsky, Zhukov, not the highest command staff? It’s bad that I didn’t clean the army to the end, then they would not have been exposed to the blow of the USSR. Better to let several potential traitor generals be shot than kill millions of soldiers.

        they hate for collective farms, they hate for the famine of the 1930's and 40's [/ quote]

        Hunger - the consequences of the tsarist devastation, if it lasted longer, it would be even worse. In the near future, this may happen when the Soviet legacy ends.

        hate for the fear in which society lived in those days. [/ quote]

        The bastards lived in fear, which now also suffice.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 5 March 2018 15: 26
          +2
          Quote: Brother Fox
          Hunger - the consequences of royal devastation, it would have lasted longer, it would be even worse

          This is just even funny!
          1. Brother Fox
            Brother Fox 5 March 2018 16: 22
            +4
            Try to analyze, then laugh. Why did Stalin first start building heavy industry? Because machines were needed: tractors, machine tools, tanks, etc. It was necessary to sow and harvest bread, because tsarist Russia was lagging behind, and the people needed to be fed.
      5. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 13: 46
        +4
        They hate by their stupidity and insignificance, who do not know how to understand the true essence of historical events, but this problem, let them hate it, to each his own.
      6. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 10 March 2018 06: 00
        0
        And love for what? What are the monuments for?
    9. Terenin
      Terenin 5 March 2018 12: 51
      +12
      "Stalin is the center, the heart of everything that radiates from Moscow around the world." French writer A. Barbus. I subscribe to every word of this writer.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 5 March 2018 13: 06
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        "Stalin is the center, the heart of everything that radiates from Moscow around the world." French writer A. Barbus. I subscribe to every word of this writer.

        Arnie Barbusse - Member of the French Communist Party (since 1923). Foreign honorary member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR (1933).
        So what to expect from this red paddling pool? Of course he will sing odes to Stalin laughing
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 5 March 2018 13: 43
          +6
          wink well, and let the paddling pool, but - red!
    10. free
      free 5 March 2018 19: 00
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      It is enough to simply read through the words of Stalin to understand how insightful this man was and one can only hope that he was really right and everything will happen as he foresaw
      "Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage.

      And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me. World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again.
      The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, opening the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
      Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy chiefs will appeartraitors within their nations.

      In general, in the future, development will go in more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be especially agitated. There will be sharp contradictions with the West. And still, no matter how events develop, but time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the affairs and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due.
      They will build their future on our past.
      "

      (I.V. Stalin. From a recording of a conversation with A. Kollontai)

      We must not just hope, we must fight for such a future!
  2. bionik
    bionik 5 March 2018 07: 01
    +23
    On March 5, 1953, the great people's leader Joseph Stalin passed away. So many people will not see off the bad leader on their last journey, and this is just not the majority of the people in the photograph, and this is only Moscow and it was all over the country, and our liberals hate him, whom he did not finish in his time, unfortunately.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 5 March 2018 10: 49
      +4
      Quote: bionik
      oh leader, so many people on the last journey will not be escorted

      The decision to condemn the Stalin personality cult was adopted UNANIMOUSLY by all 1349 the best communists of the USSR-delegates of the 20th congress.

      From the documents
      1. From information of the Leningrad Regional Committee of the CPSU of March 16, 1956
      .

      At a meeting of the party asset, questions were asked.

      - If many honest people are posthumously rehabilitated, then why did the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Twentieth Party Congress not decide on the posthumous condemnation of Stalin, which caused so much harm to our Motherland?

      - All the people from 1937 to 1952 lived in the grip of a military dictator - Stalin, and everyone felt and resented this at heart. Why so. Khrushchev, Molotov and others did not organize the salvation of the people, did not sweep away one monster from the throne?

      - How to relate to the theoretical legacy of Stalin?

      - Why is the role of the CPSU Central Committee commission on the Leningrad Affair, headed by Comrade Malenkov9 not disclosed?

      Participants in the meetings of district party assets unanimously approved the decisions of the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU, accepted them for steady execution, and outlined measures to put them into practice.

      Secretary of the Leningrad Regional Committee of the CPSU Kozlov10

      RGASPI. F. 556. Op. 14. D. 45. L. 20-26.

      .
      . From the information of the Kalinin Regional Committee of the CPSU

      22 March 1956 city
      Many communists, in their speeches and in the notes submitted to the speakers and to the presidium of the meetings, made proposals to remove the body of Stalin from the Lenin Mausoleum, remove his portraits and not call him a comrade. Similar statements were made and non-partisan. At some enterprises, on collective farms, institutions and schools, they began to spontaneously shoot portraits of Stalin.
      Secretary of the Kalinin Regional Committee of the CPSU
      F. Goryachev14
      RGASPI. F. 556. Op. 14. D. 45. L. 36-39.

      Etc.

      Then Stalin was taken out and buried, the monuments were demolished (thousands), the portraits were removed and silence: no demonstrations of indignation, no rallies in defense, nothing ...
      These are the facts.
      1. Antivirus2k
        Antivirus2k 5 March 2018 11: 15
        +9
        These are the results of propaganda. At first they told about Stalin that he was beautiful and the people went out to accompany him, then they said that he was terrible and the people were not indignant. Unfortunately, these are the flaws of the time. "TV" and "newspapers" were believed unconditionally, and even more so, of the "party." That is why it was also easy to destroy the USSR, including stupid propaganda. Let me remind you that nobody came to the defense of the USSR either. Therefore, Stalin needs to be judged not by how much happened then, but because they are thinking about him now. Now many documents are open, now there is the Internet, we can compare, analyze the arguments of different historians. And what have we come to? The support of Stalin among the people is enormous. The conclusion is very simple: those who went out to take him on the last journey were right, and not those who did not go out when they destroyed his monuments, although in the first and second cases they went out unconsciously.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 12
          +3
          Quote: Antivirus2k
          Now many documents are open, now there is the Internet, we can compare, analyze the arguments of different historians. And what have we come to? The support of Stalin among the people is enormous.

          I did not see the "huge" And what is, it is precisely because of the same propaganda. Documents - NOBODY, as a rule, does not read.
          And when you point to them, they say, it cannot be!
          Quote: Antivirus2k
          right were those who went to take him on their last journey, and not those who did not go when they destroyed his monuments, although in the first and second cases they went out unknowingly.

          Who failed, were not under propaganda? belay What were the opposition newspapers, parties, radio broadcasting information other than VKPBE?
          Here are the second and third, already HAD other information and could compare.
      2. bionik
        bionik 5 March 2018 11: 56
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich


        Then Stalin was carried out and buried,.
        Moreover, they secretly carried out under cover of night, and from former associates who were afraid, subservient to him and did not see him, there was nothing else to expect from them .....
        The decision on the condemnation of the personality cult of Stalin was adopted UNANIMOUSLY by all 1349 best communists of the USSR, delegates of the 20th Congress.

        The political situation has changed and it is unlikely that someone began to vote against, and Khrushchev and his clique (because they themselves were soiled over the ears) did everything to whitewash themselves and denigrate Comrade. Stalin.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 16
          +3
          Quote: bionik
          And carried out secretly under cover of night,

          But then EVERYONE found out. But no one spoke (except Georgians)
          Quote: bionik
          The political situation has changed and hardly anyone has begun to vote against

          Are all traitors? belay
          By the way, there were no more executions of the 1937 sample and there was nothing to be afraid of, especially the best representatives of the party.
        2. lwimu1976
          lwimu1976 5 March 2018 19: 08
          +3
          Moreover, they secretly carried out under cover of night, but from former associates who were afraid, subservient to him and did not see him, there was nothing else to expect from them .... [quote] [/ quote]
          And they cut the gold buttons!
      3. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 13: 52
        +4
        And how old are you, don’t you know how we “unanimously” voted everywhere and for any reason, if you let the installation down vote unanimously? Even for a decrease in both prices and a decrease in wages, they voted unanimously. But there were protests, although the events in Georgia were recalled.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 March 2018 14: 35
          +4
          Quote: Svidetel 45
          And how old are you, don’t you know how we “unanimously” voted everywhere and for any reason, if you let the installation down vote unanimously?

          Like this?! belay
          1400 elected Communists-Stalinists and installation, in an instant, betrayed ..... Leader ?! request
          1. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 20: 05
            +4
            Yes. betrayed. but not just ordinary communists, but partocrats, who were squeezed under Stalin, were not allowed to become princes in the places that they later became, in the 60-80s, and were until the age of 37, and whom the "corn-mailer" had lured to his side , all sorts of privileges and benefits. So they betrayed it, however, did not betray, they always hated him for the most part, because they supported Khrushchev so unanimously.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 6 March 2018 06: 46
              +1
              Quote: Svidetel 45
              Yes. betrayed. but not just ordinary communists, but partocrats, who under Stalin

              Ie ALL delegates to the congress (BEST people of the party)), traitors and p. lol
        2. lwimu1976
          lwimu1976 5 March 2018 19: 13
          +1
          how did we "unanimously" vote everywhere and for any reason, if they let the installation down vote unanimously? [quote] [/ quote]

          And with what years did it start?
    2. Andrey1961
      Andrey1961 5 March 2018 12: 59
      +4
      The trouble is that not only I didn’t finish it but also beat it for the show, thinking that the rest of the disadvantages would change their minds, no, they would not change their minds and would further harm all good undertakings in creating a human State !!!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 5 March 2018 14: 30
        +4
        Quote: Andrey1961
        The trouble is that not only I didn’t finish it, but also beat so for the show, thinking that the remaining disadvantages would come to their senses,

        How many millions needed to be finished? FOR FULL happiness? belay
        By the way, they ate themselves in the party and destroyed each other extremely actively and productively: 70% of the 17th state so-called "winners" killed each other!
        It would seem that after such purges, only diamonds should have remained! But no, again some TRAINERS climbed out! lol yes
        Probably ALL had to. yes
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 20: 15
          +5
          Millions on the conscience of just partocrats, such as Khrushchev and Eikhe, who organized competitions to identify the enemies of the Soviet regime, then they really are. received a well-deserved punishment from Stalin, but, unfortunately, not all, the first of the above got out of the way, and Stalin crushed the enemies, the lists of combine harvesters and tractor drivers, "enemies of the people" were not made by Stalin, but either enemies or morons who were on the wave revolutionary events were accumulated in the party and state security organs.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 March 2018 06: 53
            +1
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            then they are true. received a well-deserved punishment from Stalin,

            Do you hear yourself? Is Stalin should decide, kill not kill? Is this the middle ages?
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            and Stalin crushed enemies

            How did he define the "enemy"? Is he an investigator, god, psychic? what nonsense?
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            lists of combine harvesters and tractor drivers, "enemies of the people" were not made by Stalin

            WHY THESE LISTS in general have appeared? What kind of nonsense?
            WHERE, in which country, was such a time? These plans for the slaughter of their own citizens? fool
    3. wer2
      wer2 8 March 2018 23: 09
      0
      Quote: bionik
      Bad leader so many people in the last journey will not be escorted

      What's this. You should have seen how sobbing on the occasion of the death of another Kim. These are the great leaders, so the leaders.
      To heavenly Sev. Do not plan to blame Korea? No? And what is it, you can’t live without toilet paper? And without food, too?
      Why do you need all this? The main thing is that the leaders are good.
  3. apro
    apro 5 March 2018 07: 03
    +11
    IVS Stalin was a product of his era. He did what he could from what he had located. But he used the idea of ​​revolution and developed it in every way. The main motive is public ownership of the means of production and income. Now we can argue about methods about results, but the fact says one thing. The USSR did not surprise anyone.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 5 March 2018 08: 36
      +8
      Quote: apro
      IVStalin is a product of his era. He did what he could

      He did everything for the country that he could, except for one, did not foresee and did not prevent people from coming to power in the country after him who would depart from the demands that Stalin made personally, as a leader and lived in According to them, and only because of this, I was able to do so much for the country. He did not create a tough methodology for selecting leaders of the devotees of the country in the same way as he was betrayed and then those who took power under his breath came to power. Maybe this is an unfair demand, he was not God, but also a man ... What I want to say by this, maybe it is now for President Putin, if he comes to this post after the elections, to develop such a scheme and such a law that the President Russia will have to give up so much personal in order to occupy this post, according to which all sorts of swindlers will not be able to come to power, and if they do, then in case of departure from the rules provided for in the law they will be automatically removed from there. Of course, this may be a controversial proposition, but for the good of the country something similar must be done.
      1. apro
        apro 5 March 2018 09: 28
        +3
        To blame IV Stalin for not preparing a shift. I think it’s not correct. He existed in the Russian system of reproduction of livelihoods. And this formed a human resource. With his moral and production skills. For the Soviet project, this was not enough, but the leader’s genius was able to this can be overcome. and over time, without changing the face of the human resource, it would have entered into irresistible contradictions between the Russian and Soviet systems.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 43
          +4
          Quote: apro
          existed in the Russian system of reproduction of means of livelihood. and

          What is it that you, like the liberals, have “the wrong people”?
          Quote: apro
          without changing the face of the human resource, it would have entered into insurmountable contradictions between the Russian and Soviet systems.

          Contradictions? But what about the words of Mr. Samsonov that the USSR is the “Russian Empire” and the statements of many communists that they say “Soviet = Russian”?
          1. apro
            apro 5 March 2018 11: 43
            +5
            What is it that you, like the liberals, have “the wrong people”?
            The people at each time point have their own peculiarities in relation to neighboring peoples and the tasks facing them.
            The Soviet project over national. And is based on several other principles than the national state.
      2. Andrey1961
        Andrey1961 5 March 2018 13: 00
        +2
        Gold words!!!
      3. avva2012
        avva2012 8 March 2018 10: 11
        0
        Tatar 174
        What I want to say by this, maybe it is now for President Putin, if he comes to this post after the election, to develop such a scheme and such a law on

        Yes Yes...
  4. zyzx
    zyzx 5 March 2018 07: 04
    +10
    Great was a man, hard yes, but what a leader should be!
    1. novel66
      novel66 5 March 2018 07: 23
      +13
      Yes, in fact, he did not spare himself ...
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 5 March 2018 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Yes, in fact, he did not spare himself ...

        More specific please?
        1. novel66
          novel66 5 March 2018 17: 38
          +3
          Well, find a work schedule, or answer to the offer to exchange your son for Paulus, and indeed - read more!
  5. 1536
    1536 5 March 2018 07: 11
    +8
    "... a society dominated by an ethics of conscience." My question is: where did Comrade come from Gorbachev?
    And why did I.V. Stalin society so quickly, in a few years, began to slowly but surely disintegrate? A flaw? Or the lack of a systems approach in construction?
    Maybe people should believe in themselves, understand that material wealth is achieved not by duty, but by knowledge, honesty and decency. Tired of this "leaderism" worse than the bitter radish. Today we got to the point where every alcoholic or girl of easy virtue can apply for public office. And this, unfortunately, is observed all over the world, in all countries. And where does Stalin?
  6. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 5 March 2018 07: 15
    +19
    Analysis of the rulers of Russia in the 20th century (from some newspaper of the 1990s):
    Nicholas II. He lost all wars - both external and internal, for which we adore the liberal part of our society.
    Stalin. He won all the wars - both external and internal, for which we hate the same part of society.

    The quotes are not accurate, but the meaning is just that.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 07: 38
      +10
      One amendment. Nicholas II lost only the Russo-Japanese War. He won the internal war against socialist socialist traitors by 1908. But he did not lose the PMV, but the Bolshevik SNK.
      1. avt
        avt 5 March 2018 09: 57
        +13
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        One amendment. Nicholas II lost only the Russo-Japanese War.

        Yes, he simply lost it with the signing of a peace treaty and the loss of territory, which the other Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Stalin, returned with a profit.
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        But he did not lose the PMV, but the Bolshevik SNK.

        And in World War I, Nikolashka the Bloody simply deserted from the post of Supreme Commander. And what is being done with the deserters? Well, now they determine the lack of holy martyrs fool with an excess of ,, sensations "For sectarians this is the norm. Reality for them does not exist, and therefore it is understood that in the Brest the Bolsheviks did not sign surrender, but a separate peace, which is called - feel the difference, they are not given. That's because of the intellectual limitations of thinking .
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 5 March 2018 11: 13
        +4
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        One amendment. Nicholas II lost only the Russo-Japanese War.

        I do not consider her defeat: total over 40 years before her, on the shore of the Golden Horn, FOR THE FIRST TIME, the foot of a Russian man, but of native Russia, year paths through the taiga, mountains and rivers.
        And forty years later, the city is the fortress of Vladivostok - with a fleet, factories, shipyards, theaters and even a museum! It was just a fairy tale!
        The Trans-Siberian Railway — the STEEL Ridge of Russia — was conducted to him by Nikolai — thank God, BEFORE the war! Without it, the Far East and Eastern Siberia were simply doomed!
        Under Nicholas, the population of Primorye grew FIVE TIMES! Up to half a million people — what an amazing pace!
        For comparison, over the next 20 years, it grew by only 350 thousand.
        The Far East and the Amur region were not then at all the unshakable possession of Russia — Japan and China were all shouting at them — all remembered "their lands."
        But through the efforts of the Emperor and his people, they remained in Russia.
      3. victor50
        victor50 5 March 2018 12: 25
        +7
        And under Nicholas and then under the Provisional Government, we stood at the walls of Berlin ????? !!!!!!)))))) And the Bolsheviks overthrew? And what kind of event in Russian history was in 1908 ??? Enlighten the untrained ??? And .... apparently this is yours, a new story ... and something was ... like November 4, 1612 ....))))
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 50
          +6
          The First World was lost by the Provisional Government. Recall the results of the summer offensive of 1917, the soldiers simply did not leave the trenches and laughed at the officers who called them to attack.
          And it was not the Bolsheviks who ruined the army, namely the liberals from the Provisional Government, who also endorsed Order No. 1 of the Petrosoviet and the decree on soldier liberties and the abolition of the death penalty, etc.
          This is still Denikin noted that it was the beginning of the end in the army.
      4. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 13: 58
        +5
        Nonsense is complete! If we talk about the destruction of the Russian army in the years of 1 MV, then 99% is the merit of liberal slush, only order No. 1 of Kerensky was worth what, when the subordination was canceled, the Bolsheviks are in exile until the summer of 17, who are abroad, they are close there was not, learn history and do not repeat the tales of Svanidze and the Melechins.
      5. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 5 March 2018 17: 01
        +1
        Two corrections.
        By 1908, Nikolai probably won not a war, but a campaign. The Bolshevik SNK had nothing to lose - everything was lost before him. He had to save what else could be saved.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 5 March 2018 07: 41
      +5
      Quote: Sahar Medovich
      Analysis of the rulers of Russia in the 20th century (from some newspaper of the 1990s):
      Nicholas II. He lost all wars - both external and internal, for which we adore the liberal part of our society.
      Stalin. He won all the wars - both external and internal, for which we hate the same part of society.
      The quotes are not accurate, but the meaning is just that.

      Here I do not agree with you.
      Liberal-minded citizens despised Tsar Nicholas II, by the way, these same citizens hated Nicholas I and were afraid of Alexander III
      And about Stalin I agree - he was hated for the fact that he had destroyed all kinds of liberals (including among the party environment), which the last tsar could not do, because of his upbringing, culture, religion, modesty, according to
      rowiness.
      1. seal78
        seal78 5 March 2018 08: 42
        +5
        what the last king could not do, in view of his upbringing, culture, religion, modesty, according
        rowiness.
        But rather - rags.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 08: 48
          +6
          Excuse me, I missed a little moment when the lack of arrogance, respect for the lives of my subjects and the ability to communicate with people without insults and humiliation was considered "rags"?
          1. your1970
            your1970 5 March 2018 12: 50
            +3
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            respect for the lives of their subjects
            -o yes !!!! exceptionally respectful - without trial or investigation (by "evidence") they executed and all, business then ...
            "Military Field Court (Field Military Court) - an extraordinary military judicial body," an exceptional, extraordinary court acting out of the norm criminal law and jurisdiction existing in that state, on the basis of a special provision, when simplified legal proceedings to the extremes and with the cancellation of all guarantees of a normal legal course "
            On August 19 (September 1), 1906, on the initiative of P. A. Stolypin, according to the international law, in accordance with Article 87 of the Basic Laws of the Russian Empire, the “Regulation of the Council of Ministers on military field courts” was adopted to expedite legal proceedings in cases of civilians and military personnel accused of robbery, murder, robbery, assault on military, police and officials and other serious crimes, in cases where there is no need for additional investigation for the evidence of the crime. That is, those captured at the scene of the crime, or whose guilt of committing, or attempted, or preparing a terrorist act (attack on police ranks, patrols, robbery attacks, finding explosive shells, etc.) obvious in the opinion of the administration.
            The hearing was held without the participation of the prosecutor (whose function was taken over by the judges), defender (the defendant had to defend himself) and without defense witnesses behind closed doors, while interrogations of witnesses by the prosecution were allowed (most often police officers acted in their role). The sentence was to be handed down no later than 48 hours and carried out within 24 hours by order of the head of the garrison. Convicts had the right to petition for clemency, but on December 7, 1906, the War Department issued an order “Leave these requests without movement.”"...

            The Stalinists came to this only in 1943 and only with respect to “fascist villains guilty of reprisals and violence against the peaceful Soviet population and captured Red Army soldiers, as well as about spies, traitors to the motherland from among Soviet citizens and their accomplices from the local population”
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 13: 58
            +3
            Oh oh Did you not send your dignitaries by mother? Perhaps, or maybe it would be better if I sent, but would it be? And he offended and humiliated the Russian people.
            The fact that after Khodynka, he had fun at the ball and did not cancel the celebration, is it not an insult to the people?
            Or this one is the "master of the Russian land." This is how to understand that people did not live on this earth? And if you lived, then he is the master of these people?
            Thinking of a small landowner.
            There is much more to bring, so you don’t need to sculpt white and fluffy from it.
            Yes, with their dignitaries, the higher nobility, etc. he talked without insult and humiliation, and the people despised the simple.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 5 March 2018 09: 02
          +7
          Quote: seal78
          But rather - rags.

          Stalin was a flayer, and they hated him, and liberal citizens fantasized about the rags of the last Russian tsar, and the tsar showed humanity to all this public.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 00
            +6
            Yeah, and also Stalin ate babies for breakfast. Heard already.
            How stupid the anti-Stalinists that they do not understand that with such statements, they only increase Stalin's supporters.
            Try gentlemen ... try.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 5 March 2018 14: 19
              +2
              Of course, he didn’t eat babies, they themselves gossip and carry it, Stalin had modest gastronomic tastes, it’s well known - cabbage soup and porridge, and well-known worn boots, as a general supplement.
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              How stupid the anti-Stalinists that they do not understand that with such statements, they only increase Stalin's supporters.

              Fashion passes, fashion will pass on him.
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              2. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 16: 18
                +2
                Fashion for justice? Rather, not a mod, but a request. Do not even hope, especially looking at the current outrage and meanness.
  7. bober1982
    bober1982 5 March 2018 07: 25
    +6
    Word leader cuts the rumor, something absurd, like the natives .....the leader of the Redskins, it’s necessary to call it something else, and not like the agitators and sneaks for the dark crowd came up with at one time.
  8. x917nt
    x917nt 5 March 2018 07: 28
    +6
    The waitress of the 1203 restaurant in Washington, Eileen Keenan, invites you to a free borsch in honor of the celebration of Stalin's death. March 6, 1953
    1. petyaivolk
      petyaivolk 5 March 2018 11: 33
      +1
      "free borscht" in quotes
      or not free or not soup :)))
  9. Vard
    Vard 5 March 2018 07: 44
    +5
    By your own example ... when you interfere with anything, you will be smeared from head to toe ... but interestingly ... the principle comes into play ... there is so much bad talk about you that I think you are a good person. ..
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 5 March 2018 07: 45
    +9
    Yes there were people at that time, not like the current tribe ...
  11. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 07: 46
    +16
    The article is a set of crazy stamps. Well, what, by grace, can be the "masters of the West" when the Western countries fought each other more than with Russia? Only the clinical patient Kashchenko can call the Dzhugashvilev state a “socially just society,” because there can be no justice in a state that expels people to the bare steppe for their social origin, sets quotas for the killing of their citizens by punitive organs, in which design engineers work in special prisons, and people are desperately scribbling at each other.

    Look at these faces, gentlemen. These are simple Russian schoolchildren. Three of them were killed for ... leaflets on the "undemocratic electoral system." Teenagers. They did not want to overthrow, kill, or harm their homeland. They just wanted people representatives to be honestly elected. What kind of “Russian Empire” is this with a “fair society” if children were killed there for such trifles?
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 5 March 2018 08: 25
      +21
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Look at these faces, gentlemen. These are simple Russian schoolchildren.

      Susanna Solomonovna Pechuro. long-term activist of the Memorial society.

      Boris Slutsky, b. 1932, student - capital punishment.

      Vladlen Furman, b. 1931, student - capital punishment.

      Yevgeny Gurevich, b. 1931, student - capital punishment.

      Irena Arginskaya, born 1932, a schoolgirl,

      Ida Vinnikova, born 1932, student,

      Felix Warrior, born 1931, student,

      Grigory Mazur, born 1931, student,

      Vladimir Melnikov, b. 1932, student,

      Ekaterina Panfilova, b. 1932, schoolgirl,

      Susanna Pechuro, born 1933, schoolgirl,

      Alla Reif, born 1932, student,

      Maya Ulanovskaya, born 1932, student,

      Inna Elgisser, born in 1930, student - 25 years of forced labor camps, 5 years of defeat in rights with confiscation of all property belonging to them. (There wasn’t one).

      Tamara Rabinovich, b. 1932, student,

      Galina Smirnova, born 1932, student,

      Nina Uflyand, born in 1934, a schoolgirl, - to 10 years of ITL
      On April 25, 1956, on April 25, 1956, we were informed that those of us who were 25 years old received a five-year term after the review, and since we had already spent more, they were released, but not at the end of the term, but according to the Decree on Amnesty for the Summer of 1953 . Those who were initially sentenced to 10 years were rehabilitated. The dead boys received - posthumously! - for 10 years!

      Which of this fact can be concluded?
      You can
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      They did not want to overthrow, kill, or harm their homeland. They just wanted people representatives to be honestly elected.

      Just remember 2012. -white ribbons, Nemtsov, Navalny, for fair elections, we are here power, doesn’t it look like?
      And it is possible and such ... live Stalin for another ten years, we did not have a fifth column subsequently, Bandera, nationalists, Zionists and other evil spirits, rehabilitated after his death. Subsequently, such "schoolchildren" had a hand in the collapse of our country, the loss of a quarter of the territory, 20 million. Russian, half of the industry, while in power, staged a real genocide of the people. when in a year the population was reduced by a million people.
      But the "people's representatives" are again "dishonestly elected" ... Or maybe the point is not in freedom and democracy, but in a completely different matter?
      Could the correct article have been and shot for the case?
      And how to find consensus and a middle ground here? Too cruel? Perhaps, but this is from the standpoint of today's time, isolated from the historical context ... It is unfair, perhaps, again, considering in retrospect the further activities of the "schoolchildren" and the like, the sentence is too humane

      Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSRSusanna Pechuro's charge:
      58-1a. Treason to the Motherland.

      58-8. Terrorist acts directed against representatives of the Soviet government or leaders of revolutionary workers and peasant organizations.

      58-10. Propaganda or agitation calling for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power <...>

      58-11. Organizational activities aimed at preparing or committing crimes provided for in this chapter
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 05
        +9
        Quote: Ascetic
        Just remember 2012. -white ribbons, Nemtsov, Navalny, for fair elections, we are here power, doesn’t it look like?

        Not quite. Unlike the supporters of Nemtsov and Navalny, these people did not take anyone to the streets. They did not call for the overthrow of power. They simply demanded a fair choice of people's representatives. Do you think this is a crime?
        Quote: Ascetic
        And it is possible and such ... live Stalin another ten years we did not have

        ... there’s nobody in the country. How many more people would die from the monstrous conditions in the camps and from the bullets of the MGB punitive — God alone knows.
        Quote: Ascetic
        A Article 58 of the RSFSR Criminal Code; Accusation of Susanna Pechuro:
        58-1a. Treason to the Motherland.
        58-8. Terrorist acts directed against representatives of the Soviet government or leaders of revolutionary workers and peasant organizations.
        58-10. Propaganda or agitation calling for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power <...>
        58-11. Organizational activities aimed at preparing or committing crimes provided for in this chapter

        Question: how is the demand for fair elections a betrayal of the motherland or a terrorist act? Not to mention the overthrow of power?
        1. avt
          avt 5 March 2018 10: 12
          +14
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          ... there’s nobody in the country. How many more people would die from the monstrous conditions in the camps and from the bullets of the MGB punitive — God alone knows.

          Leave God alone and go to the Gulag’s archive, it has long been OPEN for familiarization with specific documents back in the 90s, but NOT ONE ,, chronicler "," historian "wringing his hands about the" innocent killed "there in the forms for issuing documents I DIDN’T MAKE IT. Well, in the spirit of Gumilevsky
          God save me! The present intelligentsia is such a spiritual sect. What is characteristic: they don’t know anything, they can’t do anything, they don’t want to think on their own, but they judge everything and completely disagree with dissent.
          sectarians continue to chew gum Solzhenitsenskosvanidzevska chewing gum. Yes, especially cunning from the memorial for the type of grants manually collect names. Even relatives can get acquainted with criminal cases that really came across denunciations, or such political ones like the same true Trotskyist Shalamov, who did not hide his convictions by the way But real intelligence affairs and affairs of work for foreign special services will never get the word.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 22
            +5
            Quote: avt
            peace and go to the archive of the Gulag, it has long been open for familiarization with specific documents back in the 90s

            https://corporatelie.livejournal.com/26863.html
            Read. St. Petersburg graduate student, works in those same archives. Mortality in Soviet camps is at the Dachau level.
            1. avt
              avt 5 March 2018 13: 00
              +11
              [
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Read. St. Petersburg graduate student, works in those same archives. Mortality in Soviet camps is at the Dachau level.

              One must be a complete bastard to compare the system of extermination of the Nazis and the Gulag. And your graduate student in St. Petersburg, adjusting the digital clock in peacetime, in comparison, when the Germans did not turn on the system for the destruction of all untimers in their opinion. But understanding, just in case, he overloaded himself and left the fugitive to himself
              By no means am I trying to expose the German concentration camps better. It is categorically impossible to primitively equate the Stalinist and Nazi concentration camp systems with each other. Integrally, according to preliminary estimates, the Nazi system was at times deadlier than the Gulag. There, mortality sometimes reached 40% -50%,
              But you, as a true intellectual, even get a grasp of this and comprehend the campaign is disgusting.
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              at the dachau level.

              , and then let others grumble. Including your “graduate student”, who’s more deft in his meanness - again from your own link, nothing else from yourself, only a quote from your own link
              Integrally, according to preliminary estimates, the Nazi system was at times deadlier than the Gulag. There, mortality sometimes reached 40% -50%,
              And further, the post-graduate student "gritting his teeth gives
              but the Vischlag of 1933 is completely analogous to the German concentration camps (except for extermination camps)
              Have you read? Well, except for the extermination camps, or rather, BEFORE the plan is included, “Ost" So again for the sect of the Tsarebozhiks - compare like this, in passing about
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Dachau.
              The Gulag can only be an outright scoundrel, or a stubborn sectarian from the “de-Stalinizers,” who needs to be adapted to his own thoughts. But he is by no means an intellectual trying to UNDERSTAND the full extent of the texture that it was under the conditions of that time and that morality. The Pharisees were not given this .
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 10
              +4
              And here lies, your Petersburg graduate student lies. Mortality figures are not much higher than natural mortality in those days.
        2. VeneraNina200
          VeneraNina200 7 March 2018 01: 25
          0
          Susanna from the memorial, you’re driving such a blizzard, I’m just scaring from Kolyma Susuman mine Bolshevik, you didn’t pull the deadline on the Drummer in the Babi’s camp, but as a gold coin to wash the impact rate with a bat or on Shirokoy in strict mode I had a chance to take off talking I don’t advise you to answer for the chatter would have to
      2. Ural resident
        Ural resident 5 March 2018 10: 12
        +3
        "Could the correct article have been and shot for the case?"
        And shocked by some "comrades". I understand there - give you a gun in your hands - you would shoot half the country, for political failure. My grandfather-neighbor lived, the former NKVD-Schnick. He loved to tell how he “shot at the enemies of the people”, with rapture like that. The truth moved towards the age of years .. And now, after such an attitude with his compatriots, and even the youth, there is a desire to make every effort to prevent this from returning to our long-suffering Homeland. Yes, it will not come back - thank God the youth is already growing different - they would not understand why you hate them, and I am very happy about that. For worse there are no those who destroy their own people.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          Yes, it will not come back - thank God the youth is already growing different - they would not understand why you hate them, and I am very happy about that.

          Will not return, for sure, NEVER!
          Such atrocities cannot be repeated ....
        2. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 08
          +4
          A simple question, there were no enemies of the people, or rather of the country, at that time? After October 17th, everyone in the world suddenly fell in love with Soviet power?
          I am afraid that young people, when they grow up, will cruelly take revenge on those who are now distorting their lives.
          And then the 37th year will seem grace.
      3. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 05
        +5
        Let’s remember Pristavkin. He was also innocently injured. But he himself wrote that they had an organization whose goal was to overthrow the government and one even had a father’s pistol.
        Were you fools? Maybe, but what time was it?
        So for nonsense and paid.
        Who said, the most expensive thing in the world is stupidity. It is very expensive for a person.
        So we did not read the investigation materials for these students, and we judge only by rumors.
        And judging those times from now on is simply stupid.
    2. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 5 March 2018 08: 45
      +14
      Snot just do not have to smear here, Lieutenant.
      "Circle", "literary"? Out of 16 people? In Moscow! Engaged in politics instead of literature! Who thought them up, taught them? What were the main goals (only about fair elections do not need to be rubbed) of this organization, or for what purposes was it created?
      Organizers-instigators of the wall, the rest, for science, deadlines. What's wrong?
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 12
        +9
        Mr. Nitochkin, here the supporters of the USSR and Mr. Dzhugashvili personally say that the USSR was a very powerful and fair state. Then the question is: how could leaflets distributed by schoolchildren and students damage this state? If everything was fine, then what was the threat in them that they began to kill people and send them to camps for huge periods? Could the Bolshevik “elections” have been a farce, and the party bonzes were afraid of mass indignation over these leaflets?
        Quote: Nitochkin
        "Circle", "literary"? Out of 16 people? In Moscow! Engaged in politics instead of literature! TO

        But do you not believe that in Moscow in 1952 16 people could organize a literary circle? But what about “the USSR — the most reading country”? And yes, even if this circle was political and people discussed the problems of their country, without calls for violence and the overthrow of power, is this a crime that needs to be killed? But what about the freedom prescribed in the "Stalinist democratic Constitution of 1936"?
        1. raw174
          raw174 5 March 2018 09: 50
          +9
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Mr. Dzhugashvili

          Comrade ... Comrade Dzhugashvili will be more correct ...
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          how could leaflets distributed by schoolchildren and students damage this state?

          The threat is not in the leaflets, but in those who stand behind them and in their idea to rock the situation inside in the USSR. The Maidan, too, began on social networks and seemed like innocuous chatter ...
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 25
            +4
            Quote: raw174
            in those who stand behind them and in their idea to rock the situation inside in the USSR.

            I repeat. There is no court verdict in relation to these “standing behind them”. They were not even meticulous by the MGB investigators. And you got them from somewhere. You are probably better than the investigators know better ...
            1. raw174
              raw174 5 March 2018 12: 14
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              You are probably better than the investigators know better ...

              I'm just making a logical conclusion. Well, it doesn’t occur to teenagers to engage in such activities, they don’t have enough life experience ...
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              There is no court verdict in relation to these “standing behind them”. They were not even meticulous by the MGB investigators.

              You and I will not be shown the entire work of the state security organs. It could have been party functionaries, who would simply be quietly removed without a court sentence ...
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 13: 04
                +3
                Quote: raw174
                I'm just making a logical conclusion. Well, it doesn’t occur to teenagers to engage in such activities, they don’t have enough life experience

                Well, what are you talking about. In the USSR there was a lot of literature describing how "valiant comrades fought for the happiness of the people, bringing the truth with leaflets." We read such books, thought, for example, that the head of state is not elected and decided to fight. Leaflets. Do not underestimate adolescents, they are often no more stupid than adults, and these were also found in WWII as a child. Lack of experience is easily offset by youthful maximalism.
        2. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 5 March 2018 09: 53
          +7
          Read above, Lieutenant. Ascetic already answered, neither add, nor diminish.
          Adieu, the liberal.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 34
            +4
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Adieu, the liberal.


            You are my dear! I have been and remain a conservative monarchist all my life.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 5 March 2018 11: 15
              +14
              Lieutenant Teterin Today, 10:34 ↑
              You are my dear! I have been and remain a conservative monarchist all my life.
              And what of that? How are you different from a liberal? Both you and they equally hate Soviet power, the only power in Russia that was truly popular.
              Both you and they have one and the same goal, the collapse of Russia at any cost. So horseradish radish is not sweeter, all of you are smeared with one world.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 11: 23
                +3
                Mr. Varyag, the people’s power does not exile people to the open field for their social origin. People’s power does not give privileges to party officials. The people's power does not divide the country into "republics" with the right to withdraw from the Union. People’s power does not do much of what genuine people's power does.
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                [
                Both you and they have one and the same goal, the collapse of Russia at any cost.

                My motto has always been "For a united and indivisible Russia." Unlike CPSU party officials who really ruined the country in 1991 along the borders established by Mr. Dzhugashvili.
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 24
                  +6
                  I don’t understand why to lie. First - the current "people's power" does not give privileges to party officials?
                  In the USSR, such privileges were not even dreamed of.
                  The salary of a deputy of the Duma is higher than that of a deputy in Germany. Not bad, huh?
                  The second question, Mr. naive monarchist, and that under the monarchs we had popular power and there were no privileges for some classes?
                  What naivete?
                  Monarchy initially implies estate and privileges.
                  What kind of miracle is this, a monarchy without estates and privileges? What kind of beast is such a popular power under the monarchy?
                  And about the clean field, dear, when dispossessed there were three categories of expelled.
                  The first - are sent out of the region. The second, deported within the region. Three - deported within the region, but not to land owned by collective farms.
                  NEVER and no one was sent to the open field and the children of the deportees were not affected.
                  Most of you, opponents of the USSR, operate not with facts, but with fantasies and inventions of “eyewitnesses”.
                  Once again, before World War II, there were a million private farms in agriculture.
                  They didn’t send for not wanting to go to the collective farm, but for resistance, incl. armed.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 31
                +4
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                the only power in Russia that was truly popular.

                This power (like Stalin, by the way) the people NEVER chose anywhere.
                Under "popular" power, the people had no choice or choice.

                Chop it on your nose! hi
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 5 March 2018 13: 49
              +3
              conservative monarchist.
              then you are an adversary, not only communists, but also presidents, democrats, liberals?
            3. seal78
              seal78 6 March 2018 18: 22
              0
              Which preservative? Terry?
        3. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 14: 04
          +2
          Well, yes, the Maidan in Kiev also began with innocent boys and girls, students, and ended with frank Nazis. Are you so naive, still in a dreamy youthful age?
    3. seal78
      seal78 5 March 2018 08: 45
      +13
      Yes Yes Yes. The "Tiananmen" students, too, "did not want to overthrow anyone, to kill." If the Chinese authorities had not acted with them as it was necessary, where would China be now?
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 15
        +5
        It is not known where China would be now, but there would definitely not have been total surveillance of citizens and the lifting of the restriction on the re-election of a state leader.
        And the main requirement of students in Tiananmen was the fight against corruption. Do you think you need to kill for the fight against corruption? Are you a supporter of corruption crimes?
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 5 March 2018 09: 57
          +11
          "See the root," said K. Prutkov.
          Lieutenant, do not make yourself a naive simpleton. Everyone knows who stood behind these students, naive idealists for the fight against corruption, who were used mostly in the dark. Who and for what purpose.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 28
            +5
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Lieutenant, do not make yourself a naive simpleton. Everyone knows who stood behind these students,

            Firstly, I didn’t drink it on the Brudershaft. Stop poking.
            Secondly, is there evidence that “someone was behind them” or is it a conspiracy theory in the spirit of “witch hunt”?
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 5 March 2018 11: 15
              +9
              I will not stop. We are not at the court of the Queen of England, so that you will. You can, if it’s more convenient for you.
              Find Old, chew and put in your mouth? Maybe swallow for you? Seek, ye will fool.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 11: 26
                +4
                Quote: Nitochkin
                I will not stop. We are not at the court of the Queen of England, so that you will.

                The absence of an English queen on the forum is a reason to be rude? Yes, you pour water onto Mr. Serebrennikov’s mill with your actions.
                Quote: Nitochkin
                Find Old, chew and put in your mouth?

                The thesis of "standing behind" yours. You prove it. Or do you not at all know how to argue and don’t know how to prove your words?
                1. Nitochkin
                  Nitochkin 5 March 2018 11: 33
                  +7
                  Do not invent. The appeal to "you" is not rudeness.
                  I'm not going to prove anything to anyone. You do not believe your right. Do you want to know, also your right. You want to know only what is beneficial to you, even if it is a lie, and it is your right.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 11: 42
                    +4
                    Quote: Nitochkin
                    Do not invent. The appeal to "you" is not rudeness.

                    To a stranger — is. And all over the world.
                    Quote: Nitochkin
                    You do not believe your right. Do you want to know, also your right.

                    Clear. You have no arguments.
                    1. Nitochkin
                      Nitochkin 5 March 2018 11: 55
                      +5
                      On the Internet is not.
                      Arguments are like pearls in the sea. Only the lazy will not find. But forget about the saucer with a blue border.
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 13: 05
                        +2
                        On the Internet — all the more so because you do not have the opportunity to see the person you are talking to.
                        And as for the arguments, I have already expressed myself above.
                      2. Tula gingerbread
                        Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 26
                        +3
                        You're right. The evidence is more than enough and written on this topic, a lot.
                    2. seal78
                      seal78 6 March 2018 18: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      To a stranger — is. And all over the world.

                      Come on ? And in modern English, is there a difference between "you" and "you"?
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 5 March 2018 15: 31
            +1
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Look at the root, "said K. Prutkov.

            Kozma Prutkov as a person was never when, this is a collective image.
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 5 March 2018 16: 02
              +4
              What? Well, congratulations, you "discovered" the bike!
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 5 March 2018 21: 13
                +2
                Quote: Nitochkin
                What? Well, congratulations, you "discovered" the bike!

                Well, you didn’t know that? Agree
                1. Nitochkin
                  Nitochkin 6 March 2018 02: 19
                  +2
                  I do not agree. "Fruits of Meditation. Favorites" 2007 The publication is on my favorites shelf in a bookcase.
                  And for reference, the image of Kozma is not collective, but completely fictional.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 March 2018 11: 31
          +7
          It's funny to hear liberal rhetoric from a conservative monarchist. Type of spit that drove the country into the Middle Ages, but democracy. True, the fact that in the conditions of the Middle Ages it is a little impossible is impossible that we will keep silent, but on the scenery we have democracy, yes. Are you definitely a conservative monarchist? You may not know a little, but it's a little not those who canned cucumbers in the crown.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 11: 44
            +4
            My dear, do you really think that respect for the law and for the value of human life is alien to monarchical and conservative views? If yes, then you are mistaken. Conservatism is based on the recognition of private property, the rule of law and the guarantee of natural human rights, the first of which is the right to life.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 28
              +2
              Especially with an unlimited monarchy, autocracy, which was in Russia until the 17th year. lol
        3. zoolu350
          zoolu350 5 March 2018 13: 11
          +3
          Already in the PRC, then corrupt officials shoot us to envy. And the "students" in China on Tiananmen wanted the same thing as the crowd at the White House in August 1991 - "freedom", dough, jeans and a hill. But the Chinese comrades, unlike the GKChP, did not flinch.
        4. Gardamir
          Gardamir 5 March 2018 13: 50
          0
          Are you a supporter of corruption crimes?
          Are you a supporter of Navalny?
        5. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 14: 06
          +3
          My God, do you believe in this nonsense? fight against corruption
          this is the beginning, and would end with a demand for a change in the political regime. Are you really naive, or are you just keeping others fools?
          1. seal78
            seal78 6 March 2018 18: 26
            0
            How can corruption be overcome under capitalism when this is one of its foundations? I would be happy to get rid of capitalism, but I think bulk does not want this at all)
      2. lwimu1976
        lwimu1976 5 March 2018 23: 39
        0
        Petr Alekseevich Mikhin
        "Gunners, Stalin gave the order!" We were dying to win


        [/ quote] The owner understood the question and in a high pounding voice began to explain to me why ash was here. Naturally, I did not understand. Then he stuck his head out of the window and shouted something loudly. Four children from three to seven years ran into the room. They were all naked, dirty, pot-bellied and smiling. They carefully looked at their father, waiting for why he called them here. The father said something to his sons. They ran to a pile of ash, lay on it from different sides and quickly buried in ashes, leaving only their heads on the surface. His eyes were squinted and they depicted sleeping. Then I realized: ash serves them as a bed.
        In the future, naked Chinese and Chinese women met us both in the field and in the bush, where they worked or grazed cattle. In settlements, the hips of all adult Chinese were covered. And the rich Chinese marched in long silk robes. In the first small settlements that appeared on our way, we were struck by the fact that in all the villages there was a single ax in the entire village. The ax was chained to the outside of a large stump, on which people chopped brought brushwood, firewood and more.
        So our acquaintance with the Chinese happened in August of the forty-fifth year.

        where would China be now? [quote]

        Now China WHERE?
    4. seal78
      seal78 5 March 2018 08: 49
      +7
      These are simple Russian schoolchildren

      Pechuro, Gurevich, Slutsky, Furman - what wonderful русские last name)
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 38
        +6
        But what, a person by the name of Slutsky or Gurevich can not be Russian? And even if they were not Russian, then what, could they be killed with a calm soul? What is this primitive anti-Semitism in the spirit of the Nazis?
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 29
          +2
          First, did they get shot for their last names? -First distortion.
          Second, have they all been shot? - The second distortion.
        2. seal78
          seal78 6 March 2018 07: 56
          0
          No anti-Semitism, just observation. They were executed for a felony, what is wrong here?
    5. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 5 March 2018 08: 55
      +8
      Well, in general, at the time of the arrest, the majority were already 18 years old. Only Pechura was 17. So, they are the next ones. Well, but by the sentence, how much should they give for the preparation of the murder of the chairman of the superpower government? Count on Medvedev this situation. Or the Chinese chairman, or the American (the most-presidential democratic). And it’s even more interesting to learn about the punishment for preparing the assassination of the chairman of the US government THAT TIME.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 34
        +5
        Quote: gavrila2984
        Well, but by the sentence, how much should they give for the preparation of the murder of the chairman of the superpower government?

        Are you serious? Do you think that schoolchildren and students in a country where there was strict control over the circulation of weapons and explosives could seriously plan the murder of a guarded man no worse than Malenkov Dzhugashvili? Do you even understand that this accusation is the same as “Beria — the English spy”?
        1. gavrila2984
          gavrila2984 5 March 2018 09: 56
          +8
          The strictest control? Until now, guys have been digging and rebuilding weapons from the war, and it works! I saw it myself. And in the year 52, it was considered the mountains of nova in the fields and forests.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 29
            +4
            But what about the "Stalinist state of order"? And yes, were the Soviet schoolchildren so stupid that they hoped to kill the strictly guarded Malenkov?
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 32
              +4
              And what were geniuses all about? "State of Order"? That is, are you sure that it was possible to put a policeman to every place where the battles were?
              Another juggling. You look like a great expert on them.
            2. gavrila2984
              gavrila2984 5 March 2018 14: 42
              +3
              Order in the country is measured not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them, as one character said. That neutralized. Everything is correct.
        2. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 5 March 2018 10: 01
          +10
          Lieutenant, are you surely a lieutenant, not a pop gapon?
          If there were forces that Comrade himself Stalin was eliminated in the end, what prevented them from using these teenagers. Even now their tragedy is used by people like you to drive chernukha against comrade. Stalin
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 31
            +3
            Quote: Nitochkin
            If there were forces that Comrade himself Stalin was eventually eliminated


            What kind of forces "eliminated" Dzhugashvili if he was "popularly loved"? And what influence did they have if the prosecutor’s office did not pay attention to the far-fetched accusations?
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 5 March 2018 11: 25
              +10
              The representative of these forces "pounded the shoe" on the podium at the UN assembly. Well, and still engaged in corn at leisure.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 5 March 2018 12: 11
                +3
                Quote: Nitochkin
                The representative of these forces "pounded the shoe" on the podium at the UN assembly. Well, and still engaged in corn at leisure.

                As for corn, it was sown all over Russia until the 90s, and Khrushchev was out of business, and the fact that it was planted almost beyond the Arctic Circle was because party workers and collective farm chairmen wanted to serve, as they say, make a fool pray to God .
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 36
                  +3
                  True, yours. BUT! Not until the end. First, they forced to plant corn directively and threatened with all sorts of punishments for non-fulfillment and it went from the very top.
                  Below were the performers who did not dare to disobey. But of course, there were enough ready to curry favor.
                  They planted instead of bread, which in the early sixties, almost led to hunger.
                  Of course, because corn was planted even more, BUT not where it did not grow at all and not instead of bread.
                  That is the difference.
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 33
              +2
              And again, another distortion. Exactly, master. lol
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 41
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Do you even understand that this accusation is the same as “Beria — the English spy”?

          These “eccentrics” Beria, of course, is NOT a spy, but 18-year-old children are yes, complete and sophisticated “killers and saboteurs” digging up weapons (firing squad), transporting and snarling him (again she is). collecting information about the movements of Malenkov, etc.
          But the eccentrics are punished, they have been taken mind

          These people from
    6. Snail N9
      Snail N9 5 March 2018 09: 03
      +3
      These are simple Russian schoolchildren.

      Add: and with "Russian" surnames ... winked
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 09: 36
        +6
        Tell me, does the value of human life depend on the surname? I remember that in history there were also figures who divided people into "Aryan" and "non-Aryan" surnames. Nuremberg showed well what this division leads to ...
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 5 March 2018 10: 14
          +6
          Not ... it just shows the "motivation" of these "victims." In addition, we live in a state with certain laws and are obliged to comply with them and be punished for their violation. Did these “victims” break the law? Was there a consequence? Was the court? Was the verdict? What is "broken"? Or are they on the go? The law is one for all-violated-answer. Alas, these are the realities. At that time everyone considered it harsh precisely because the law was very tough and applied and applied to all categories regardless of age, position and merit, and this is the fundamental difference between that time and the current time of lawlessness and, by the way, of the tsarist and in tsarist times there were “estate orders” that changed the punishment depending on the “blueness of blood” and ranks, and currently the law acts selectively depending on the position and size of the wallet. My grandmother also suffered from the law of the "ears of wheat" - received 5 years with the serving of punishment ..... at her workplace (there were such court decisions), but even she never condemned Stalin, but simply said: "Time was such-severe, if there were no cruel laws there would not be Russia, the Germans would have seized it ... or their own would have destroyed the Diffuse, would have pulled it into "ears of wheat" .... "
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 32
            +4
            In fact, their leaflets did not fall under any article of the then Criminal Code.
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 5 March 2018 11: 01
              +9
              This is what you decided. You are a famous humanist. In general, I am touched by the manner of modern people to judge the acts of their predecessors while sitting in warm apartments, with full refrigerators, etc. The cardinal difference between life and values ​​of the present time from previous times does not allow anyone, I repeat - ANYONE from our time to adequately assess the events of those times. Therefore, I always relate to the understanding and complete perception of those assessments that were given at one time by people who lived then and I am ironically related to modern "experts" in "that" life. A typical example: I personally grew up in a village and am familiar with hard peasant labor and simple rural life, but now my children and grandchildren who grew up in an environment torn off the earth have a completely different mentality - last year we made a small trip as a family along the Trans-Siberian Railway and with us the car broke down in a deserted place. I had to stay with the locals who sheltered us living in a small village. and so my children, who lived all their lives in comfort, received a cultural shock from how these people live — from the fact that they have to walk on wooden walkways so as not to drown in the mud, constantly in rubber boots, carry water, and most importantly go to the stinky toilet on the street. They quietly fucked up with everything and did not understand: how can these people live like this, and even be completely happy? This is to me that the perception of the world and its values ​​of my children is already different from the perception of the world and the values ​​in it of these ordinary people, and you want to give an assessment to a completely “different world” from your bell tower, where absolutely everything was “different” .
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 11: 27
                +4
                I'm a lawyer. And I operate with the category “corpus delicti”. The actions of these people do not fall under any composition. In a normal state, people are not killed under far-fetched accusations.
                1. Snail N9
                  Snail N9 5 March 2018 12: 13
                  +6
                  Firstly, the term "normal countries" is the same mega-numbing phrase as "British scientists." There are no “normal countries” as you think in absolutely any country there are “far-fetched accusations” for the plan, “police and judicial errors” and “innocently convicted”, and in those countries where there is the death penalty and “innocently executed”. The abolition of the death penalty is largely due to the uncertainty in the guilt of the convict. Secondly, I disagree with the lack of corpus delicti; he is, and you know that very well. Thirdly: excessive "severity" of punishment .... yes, it is, but the court decided so. We must not forget that at that time the country waged a fierce struggle against colossal post-war crime, when there were cases when even Heroes of the USSR committed crimes and there was a struggle against the nationalist underground in the Baltic States, Ukraine and was not up to the "almond".
                2. Svidetel 45
                  Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 14: 11
                  +3
                  Ah, lawyer, well then everything is clear, and even for sure. and lawyer, the more immoral the society, the more in demand is your profession, when people live not according to conscience, but according to laws that both write and interpret the "chosen ones". Everything is clear with you now.
                3. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 40
                  +2
                  And by what laws do you assess this corpus delicti? According to the current or those that existed at that time? And did you study this criminal case from cover to cover?
              2. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 38
                +3
                This "Memorial" decided so, with which the monarchists surprisingly sang.
        2. Des10
          Des10 5 March 2018 12: 16
          0
          Yes, but you are a Troll.
    7. SPQR1977
      SPQR1977 5 March 2018 09: 36
      0
      For the happiness of millions, thousands do not mind life. I.V. Stalin.
    8. raw174
      raw174 5 March 2018 09: 42
      +9
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      And only the clinical patient Kashchenko can call the Dzhugashvilev state a “socially fair society”

      Let's look from a different angle. The country is on the verge of a great war, and the Kremlin understands this. Industry is ruined by war and revolution, and the question is acute. Stalin decides to set up industry at an accelerated pace so as not to lose the country, the lives of citizens are put on this altar, we all know the result, the USSR has become one of the strongest powers in the world, defeating the Nazis and all of Europe ... Tough, sometimes cruel, but the end justifies the means.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      These are simple Russian schoolchildren.

      Like a simple Russian schoolboy in the Reichstag, like ordinary cadets in a thong and with a banana in their mouth ... They are children !!!
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Three of them were killed for ... leaflets on the "undemocratic electoral system." Teenagers. They did not want to overthrow, kill, or harm their homeland. They just wanted people representatives to be honestly elected.

      Do you seriously believe that adults, dissatisfied with the growing power of the USSR, did not stand behind them? Do you seriously consider them independent in this work? NO! children - a shout in the hands of those who, in difficult years, in a storm, wanted to rock the USSR boat! This is "piled on" of that time, with which they acted harshly, but fairly.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      if children were killed there for such trifles?

      These are not trifles ...
      PS: my grandfather got into the labor army under Stalin, escaped and, according to other people's documents, called up for the fleet, where he served as a sailor for more than 5 years, this is to say that you do not need to say that: “if you had relatives among the victims of the regime, you I would say differently ... " Were!
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 10
        +4
        Quote: raw174
        Let's look from a different angle. The country is on the verge of a great war, and the Kremlin understands this. Industry is ruined by war and revolution, and the question is acute.

        And how did denunciations and exile of people into a bare field help to develop industry before the war?
        Quote: raw174
        Like a simple Russian schoolboy in the Reichstag, like ordinary cadets in a thong and with a banana in their mouth ... They are children !!!

        Do you also want to shoot them and send them to camps for 25 years? Schoolchildren with bananas pose such a huge threat to the state that they need to be killed? Understand that their act is disgusting, but in a normal society this action would be met with contempt and forgotten in a couple of days.

        Quote: raw174
        Do you seriously believe that adults, dissatisfied with the growing power of the USSR, did not stand behind them? You seriously consider them independent in this work.

        Judging by the fact that not a single adult was convicted with them — these "standing behind them" simply were not.
        Quote: raw174
        children - a shout in the hands of those who, in difficult years, in a storm, wanted to rock the USSR boat!

        How could meeting the demand for fair elections rock a boat? In a country closed to the outside world? Well, if the authorities had gone to meet them — Western propaganda would have lost one more trump card, in response to all these schoolchildren they would have shown as an example “socialist democracy and equality”. Why kill?
        Quote: raw174
        if you had relatives among the victims of the regime, you would say differently ... ". There were!

        Stockholm syndrome is a terrible thing ... hi
        1. chenia
          chenia 5 March 2018 10: 56
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Schoolchildren with bananas pose such a huge threat to the state that they need to be killed?


          You pick up the gentlemen of the white bastards, sthe motive - they are children.
          And what the kids do in Ukraine.
        2. raw174
          raw174 5 March 2018 12: 34
          +5
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          And how did denunciations and exile of people into a bare field help to develop industry before the war?

          Well, for example, to remove from the cities the unreliable and the Balamutes, who could sow excitement and dissent, which in turn can reduce the enthusiasm of workers and the pace of development ...
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Do you also want to shoot them and send them to camps for 25 years?

          No, now the times are not the same, the society has become too liberal, expulsion would now have come in handy, with a note in the case: "unreliable" ...
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          How could meeting the demand for fair elections rock a boat?

          Meaning? A waste of time and money, there was no time for democratic pink snot, it was necessary to work.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Why kill?

          So that it would be disgraceful for others to do stupid things ...
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 49
            +4
            They didn’t send anyone to the open field. These are liberal horror movies that had nothing to do with reality.
            No one was killed. A death sentence by a court sentence is not a murder.
        3. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 47
          +3
          Interesting. And who decided that the election was "dishonest"? They corresponded to the electoral law that was at that time, which means they were LEGAL, so these students opposed the law.
          And I don’t think that they themselves came up with the idea that these elections were dishonest.
          Someone threw this idea to them. And what does the election law have to do with literature?
          In general, there is not so simple, if the members of the "literary" circle suddenly became involved in politics.
        4. seal78
          seal78 6 March 2018 08: 07
          0
          Some kind of worthless lawyer (if true, of course). You don’t notice the contradictions in your own chatter. Either “they are children,” or “demands for fair elections.” What can children understand about the real situation in the country and about the elections, in particular, in order to “demand” something there?
    9. Alex_59
      Alex_59 5 March 2018 10: 27
      +7
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Look at these faces, gentlemen. These are simple Russian schoolchildren

      I looked at these faces of ordinary Russian schoolchildren. And he was surprised to find that for a start they are not Russian at all. Well, that’s okay, although this is already a distortion and an attempt to attract not at all the emotions that should arise when referring to the original source.
      More interesting. Why are there such schoolchildren of such genius that they could discover about elections or democracy? No, schoolchildren are different, but we will be objective, at that age the brains of the average type representative of the homo species are not enough to form an objective picture of the world. Well again, okay, move on. Despite the dry and clearly ostentatious lines of the official protocols about "enemy activity," we still see that the students were not just dissatisfied with the electoral system in the USSR (which, by the way, was then many times more popular in the country than now - for example, one of my relatives was a deputy , a school teacher - oligarchs, prostitutes and criminals then in deputies was not found in principle). The students were obviously plotting something more substantial.
      https://ru.openlist.wiki/Гуревич_Евгений_Зиновьев
      ich_ (1931)
      http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/
      69222
      Apparently they wanted to overthrow how. It is clear that these intentions were expressed by them only in the form of a draft, and the KGB untwisted them in full - as if they were already ready. The KGB can be understood, they need reporting, disclosure. 1951 the year when they were shot, by the way, was one of the most humane - according to the 58th VMN, only 475 people received it. A year earlier, in 1950, there were no executions at all - there was a moratorium.
      Have you been cruelly treated? Yes, cruel. I’m generally against VMN in all its manifestations, but already students ... But, in principle, it is clear that these Jewish schoolchildren themselves incurred problems on their own head. Those. as if both sides were white and fluffy. Is this possible abroad? Still, in the United States in those same years for communism one could just as easily sit on the electric high chair, but who cares when the "mustachioed" sight?
      In this regard, I again have an aversion to trying to once again show the faces of poor students to break a tear from a layman and make him hate the evil deity of Stalin. Well, yes, yes, there were mistakes, there were distortions, there was cruelty. Well, is that what Stalin’s invention was? He solved his super-task of leading the country to the lead - he cruelly decided, he spared no one, neither himself, nor others. Those who interfered were destroyed. Such a controversial leader was.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 10: 53
        +3
        Tell me, did you read your own link? Where the interrogation protocol is. Do you seriously believe that the interrogated responded with the phrases “we assembled an enemy group and slandered anti-Soviet”? It’s the office of investigators. These phrases are written in by the hand of the interrogator, how can you not understand this?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 5 March 2018 11: 00
          +3
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Do you seriously believe that the interrogated responded with the phrases “we assembled an enemy group and slandered anti-Soviet”? It’s the office of investigators. These phrases are written in by the hand of the interrogator, how can you not understand this?

          I wrote:
          Despite the dry and clearly ostentatious lines of official protocols about "enemy activity" we still see that the students were not just dissatisfied with the electoral system in the USSR

          Of course I understand. But the content is still clear that it was not only dissatisfaction with the electoral system that bothered them. Even adjusted for the fact that much of the protocol was drawn by the investigators to the ears. Well this is obvious.

          And I do not condone the cruelty of a sentence or repression.
        2. Opera
          Opera 5 March 2018 11: 56
          +3
          Lieutenant, good afternoon. I do not even want to delve into the details of the dispute. Almost no one argues with you here - they are convicting! The moment with labeling is indicative!) If you have a different point of view from fans of a bright communist future, then you are a liberal! And no matter how much you explain to them your rejection of liberalism, how much you say that you are a conservative, that you are a monarchist, they do not care at all! LIBERAL and EVERYTHING! Are you laughing? They’ll delve into such details yet ?! Do you disagree with Marxism-Leninism ?! Do you disagree with the repressions ?! You do not admire the leader of the peoples?!?! So you, Lieutenant, are not a liberal! Contra you with all the ensuing consequences!))) You do not argue with the Communists in fact the period of the late USSR! These are the neo-Bolsheviks! They don’t go into details.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 13: 09
            +3
            Good afternoon, dear Oper! Thank you for your feedback, I have already managed to understand the essence of neo-Bolshevism for a long time from my own experience. This is not a political platform, but rather a quasi-religious sect, violently exposing all those who disagree with its tenets. It is a pity for people, but I still do not lose hope to reason at least some of these sectarians or sympathizers with them.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 49
            +2
            Quote: Oper
            I do not even want to delve into the details of the dispute. Almost no one argues with you here - they are convicting! The moment with hanging the tags is indicative!)

            Hello Oper!
            These are not neo-Bolsheviks, but very, very OLD Bolsheviks! lol
            People from the forever disappeared past, who did not read anything after 1985.
            Those. illiterate and dense.

            How many times did he offer them to be judged by a triple or deuce (that is, even without them) -like at their favorite time, they DO NOT want to! lol
          3. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 52
            +4
            You are well done. Well distorted.
          4. raw174
            raw174 6 March 2018 06: 33
            +1
            Quote: Oper
            Almost no one argues with you here - they are convicting! The moment with labeling is indicative!) If you have a different point of view from fans of a bright communist future, then you are a liberal!

            Quote: Oper
            These are the neo-Bolsheviks! They don’t go into details.

            Well, you distort too ... For example, by age I don’t fit the bearer of communist ideals, I was born at sunset of the USSR ... But I don’t like when our common history is distorted and all sins are hung on strict and tough leaders, dipping them along the way into the blood to the ears. We live in a different time, we have other concepts. The very structure of the Soviet state could not stand it and everything fell apart, now people live really better than in the USSR, but it is not allowed to blacken people who have made a huge contribution to the development of our country!
            1. wer2
              wer2 6 March 2018 10: 14
              0
              Quote: raw174
              but blackening people who have made a huge contribution to the development of our country is not allowed!

              Just in case, I want to inform you that in the USSR there was always a “stove” of 1913. And before this “stove” the living standards of the population of the USSR have never increased. That was such a "development".
              1. raw174
                raw174 6 March 2018 14: 26
                +1
                Quote: wer2
                And before this "stove" the living standards of the population of the USSR did not grow even once. That was such a "development".

                We are discussing here not a system or system, but a specific person. The activities of Stalin at his post can be evaluated as follows: a year before his rise to power (1923) and the year of his departure (1953).
                1. wer2
                  wer2 8 March 2018 22: 53
                  0
                  Quote: raw174
                  the year before he came to power (1923)

                  Then, already in 1926, Dzhugashvili finally came to power in December 1927.
                  The people died during this time, do not count.
                  three famines of the 30s and two 40s.
                  Mass executions of the late 30s.
                  42 million (of the 205 million pre-war population) of direct losses only during WW2.
                  I think about a third of the population Dzhugashvili put under a knife. Only in 1941-45, 20%.
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 5 March 2018 13: 39
          +9
          Lieutenant Teterin, calm down, your position in Stalin’s hatred is clear after two or three arguments. You are against state policy under Stalin, and we are for such a policy. There were excesses, they were condemned publicly and everything must be done so that they would not be repeated. Well, and who "burn in hell" will decide without us. Enough arguments for my life to answer before .... yes
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 13: 44
            +3
            I wonder if you, how General Turko would have knocked out all his teeth during interrogation and broke several ribs, what would you say about the “excesses”?
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 5 March 2018 13: 57
              +8
              I say that torture, whether it be the dungeons of the NKVD, the Gestapo, Guantanamo, is bad. But, you are again in a circle.
        4. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 5 March 2018 14: 15
          +2
          And you were present at interrogations, and you know for sure that these phrases were written “by the hand of the interrogator”, a gift of the great insightful analyst?
    10. K.A.S.
      K.A.S. 5 March 2018 13: 01
      +2
      and how German schoolchildren regretted the "white rose" !! I wonder what the commentators on these children will say?
    11. zoolu350
      zoolu350 5 March 2018 13: 02
      +5
      And the boy Klaus from Novy Urengoy also did not overthrow and kill anyone, but the nobleman did harm to his homeland by spitting on the graves of his ancestors. But under Stalin, the Klaus boys multiplied by 0 before they even managed to do serious harm.
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. 5 March 2018 13: 15
        +2
        and what did the claus boy say? read and where did he spat in his speech?
        what did you say. that under Stalin they killed children?
        I understand that you will not mind if you and your son, following the legacy of Stalin multiplied by zero?
        Quote: zoolu350
        even before they had time to do serious harm.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 5 March 2018 13: 27
          +3
          The whole speech of the boy Klaus is a delicious spit on the graves of his ancestors, especially how the fascist described by him “suffered” destroying Soviet people from Brest to Stalingrad. And children by age and not so children. Well, if I become the cause of serious problems for my people, then there is a way for me. I will not mind if you are multiplied by 0, moreover, I will provide assistance in this archaeological business.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 13: 46
            +4
            Quote: zoolu350
            Well, if I become the cause of serious problems for my people, then there is a way for me.


            Interestingly, if you really faced a firing squad or near the gallows, would you be able to repeat these words ...?
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 5 March 2018 13: 51
              +5
              Before delivering a platoon of bulkhrusts, it is hard to make speeches. Of course, I wanted the last grenade to be with me at this time, but if it’s not there, then at least lastly grab one of you in the throat.
              1. K.A.S.
                K.A.S. 5 March 2018 14: 17
                +1
                I ask once again where in Kolya’s speech spitting on the graves of the pedagogues? and what does the whole speech of Kolya’s boy mean?
                I explain the speech for you. roughly speaking, his speech is a call for peace, you can argue, you can agree or not, but he has his right to an opinion! (For example, I do not agree with him in everything) !.
                You see the difference between the Stalinist times and the present. Kolya and you can talk without fear of the consequences. But if Putin adopted the Stalinist methods, then for what you say, you can safely be ranked as an enemy of the people. because you are a serious problem for the people! stop him from developing and going into the bright future capitalist !!!,
                I wonder why the Stalinists have such an indefatigable desire to blow up. to be bitten. kill the dissent. why do those whom they call liberals bakeries this not? here we draw conclusions huizhu
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 5 March 2018 14: 44
                  0
                  He was born on January 17, 1922 in a large family. George went to the front with the rank of corporal and fought as an air defense soldier in the Battle of Stalingrad in 1942-1943. Georg was one of the 250 thousand German soldiers who were surrounded by the Soviet army in the so-called Soviet cauldron. After the cessation of fighting, he ended up in a prisoner of war camp. Only 6 thousand of these prisoners of war returned home, and George was not among them.

                  For a long time, the relatives of the German soldier considered him missing. Only last year, the Georg family received information from the German People’s Union for the Care of War Graves that a soldier died from harsh conditions of captivity on March 17, 1943 in a prison camp in Beketovka. Perhaps he was buried among 2006 soldiers near this camp.

                  The story of Georg and the work on the project touched me and prompted me to visit the burial site near the city of Kopeisk. This extremely upset me, because I saw the graves of innocently dead people, among whom many wanted to live peacefully and did not want to fight. They experienced incredible difficulties during the war, which my great-grandfather, a participant in the war who was the commander of the rifle company, told me about. He fought not for long, as he was seriously wounded.
                  Here is the call for peace and spit.
                  And I and you are not on your way to your bright capitalist future, my road to socialism.
              2. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 5 March 2018 14: 19
                +3
                And before "your" firing squad? Of the truly loyal Marxist communists who consider you an "Anglo-Japanese-Polish spy-Trotskyist"?
            2. Opera
              Opera 5 March 2018 14: 15
              +2
              Yes, just like that - it looks very much like a sect! Why did I say about the communists of the late USSR, well, here actually people had a need and had no choice !. If you want to achieve something, join the party. So people of various professions entered, who of course were not thinking about communism and the world revolution! Yes, I have never met people who would answer the question of what you are doing - I’m building communism! And this does not mean that they did not love their homeland and were not patriots! To tell the truth, to refuse if you were put forward as a candidate for membership in the CPSU, not everyone would dare ... It was so. For the most part, these were and are completely normal people who, together with non-party people, built factories, roads, housing, cities, a country, and not communism! Putin said very correctly - the one who does not regret the collapse of the Union does not have a heart! Anyone who wants to recreate it in its original form does not have a head! Neo-Bolsheviks again leave no choice for people! You are not with us, you criticize certain aspects in the USSR, you do not consider the Bolsheviks to be Russian Communists, you do not spat on the history of your country until 1917, you do not insult the tsar?!?!?!?! You are an enemy and a liberal! All! The conversation is over! And you about conservatism and monarchism ...) Yes, they do not care! Contra and the point!
              And maybe you're right. If you succeed in convincing at least one person from their environment (there are, after all, those who are mistaken) just to calmly turn to historical documents and draw your own conclusion without ideological dogmas like - and Lenin has illuminated the great path for us, then this is already a big deal! In any case, I sincerely wish you good luck!)
              1. Svarozhich
                Svarozhich 6 March 2018 18: 36
                0
                Well, why so? They calmly refused and without any consequences.
              2. wer2
                wer2 6 March 2018 21: 21
                0
                Quote: Oper
                to turn to historical documents and draw a conclusion without ideological dogmas of the type — and Lenin dawned on us a great path

                Well, where did he get naughty? In the ass or what?
                Such nonsense is that reading is sickening.
                Ulyanov graduated from the NEP. And the NEP is a typical feudal method of managing. Those. The Ulyanov-orator was different from Nicholas the neo-orator only in that under the autocracy there was a theocratic society, and under Ulyanov, it was secular. And then, starting in December 1927, Dzhugashvili “corrected” all this.
                Those. Ulyanov’s regime did not differ fundamentally from the regime of Nicholas. And the economic structure did not differ at all. And where Ulyanov something there dawned "know" probably only those scoops that are completely uneducated.
                And certainly what Ulyanov has nothing to do with is Dzhugashvilevsky "socialism".
    12. Captain45
      Captain45 5 March 2018 20: 28
      0
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Russian schoolchildren.

      PECHUR, GUREVICH, SLUTSKY, FURMAN simple RUSSIAN last names.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Look at these faces, gentlemen.

      "The Lord is all in Paris" (c)
  12. Gloomy
    Gloomy 5 March 2018 07: 49
    +8
    Stalin was a real people's leader

    What kind of people?
    Why hate Stalin

    Maybe because on his hands the blood of millions of Russian people and other Russian people who have not forgotten their relationship, remember this?
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 5 March 2018 08: 53
      +9
      Millions? Just millions? But what about tens and hundreds? Indeed, hundreds of millions of accounts are already underway. And all personally comrade Stalin, do it yourself.
      1. Gloomy
        Gloomy 5 March 2018 09: 05
        +6
        According to openly accessible sources, the net demographic losses of Russia from the criminal actions of the Bolsheviks are about 33 million people (the population of a large European country) - and this does not include WWII:
        CIVIL WAR - 12,5 million
        12,5 million lost population. (Erlikhman V.V. Population Losses in the 20th Century: Reference Book - M.: Russian Panorama Publishing House, 2004)
        Of these, 2,5 million killed combatants,
        2 million killed as a result of terror. The ratio of victims of red and white terror 4: 1
        2 million emigrated.
        6 million starvation and epidemics.
        These figures may be disputed, but they should be challenged by Mr. Erlichmann.
        HUNGER - 13,5 million
        1921-22. The Soviet Central Statistical Bureau determined the population deficit for the period from 1920 to 1922. equal to 5,1 million people.
        1932-1933. A statement by the State Duma “In Memory of the Victims of the Famine of 30's on the Territory of the USSR” names 7 of millions of dead. Demographics estimates from 2,5 to 8 million
        1946-47. Super mortality in 1946 amounted to 800 thousand people. Demographics estimate hunger victims from 1 to 1,5 million
        DISCLOSURE - 0,7 MILLION
        4 million exiled. 600 thousand dead in places of exile (conservative estimate of V.N. Zemskov). 90 thousand dead on the way.
        TERROR - 2,5 million people (minimum rating)
        1930-1953 - arrests on political articles - 3,8 million people, executions - 786 thousand people.
        1930-1953 - death in 1,7 places of detention of million people.
        Maximum rating A.G. Vishnevsky repressive losses reaches 6 million people.
        The total number of people who went through prisons, camps and special settlements is estimated at 25 million people, in fact every fourth citizen of working age.

        https://tsargrad.tv/articles/vral-li-solzhenicyn-
        o-100-millionah-repressirovannyh_97537
        1. Severomor
          Severomor 5 March 2018 09: 36
          +5
          Something somehow a little for
          publicly available sources
          .
          Badly considered. We need to believe Solzhenitsyn - he has 60 million people. Already more like the truth.
          And some source wrote about 100 million losses. Here it is true.
          The whole country was in the Gulag, one guarded and the other worked.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 5 March 2018 13: 55
            +3
            Quote: Severomor
            Badly considered. We need to believe Solzhenitsyn - he has 60 million people

            Archives do not need to SECRET and there would be no discrepancies.
            What, was it scary to OPEN their people?
            According to the Bolshevik "truth" -There was not a famine 32-33, 47-48 with cannibalism and carnivore and millions of victims, not 680 thousand executed, or millions of exiled NI-CHE-GO (see newspapers of those years). Everything was type top!
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 56
            +4
            Funny 2004, the Duma said something there. Just the time of complete domination of the liberal point of view.
            It turns out that in the Civil War only the Reds participated and in this war they exclusively destroyed the civilian population.
            Especially amused here is this - "The ratio of victims of red and white terror is 4: 1."
            Unless of course it can be called funny. Here are 4 to 1 and all quietly and believe.
        2. SPQR1977
          SPQR1977 5 March 2018 09: 40
          +1
          Well, of course .... ERLICHMAN is just the same trustworthy)) That's about them that he said that his name would be slandered.
          1. Gloomy
            Gloomy 5 March 2018 09: 49
            +4
            If you have other numbers other than those on Wikipedia, please provide.
            1. avt
              avt 5 March 2018 10: 16
              +7
              Quote: Cheerful
              If you have other numbers other than those on Wikipedia, please provide.

              If you really take Wikipedia for God's revelation, then there are two ways — to study, to study, and once again — to study, or to a psychiatrist.
              1. Gloomy
                Gloomy 5 March 2018 10: 19
                +3
                My dear, I do not like the information on the wiki - forward and to the revisions, with links to sources.
                1. avt
                  avt 5 March 2018 12: 35
                  +5
                  Quote: Cheerful
                  My dear, I do not like the information on the wiki - forward and to the revisions, with links to sources.

                  My training, mitrophanushek’s, is paid. You don’t know how to type anything on the topic with the search engine? You read from the fact that Gugel threw only the line -Wikipedia? I’m not a practicing psychiatrist, I won’t take up treatment - it's a matter of judgment.
                  1. Gloomy
                    Gloomy 5 March 2018 12: 38
                    +5
                    And should? No. So go to hell. I’m not going to peck on the demagogic hook "and you prove", there are more interesting things to do.
                    1. avt
                      avt 5 March 2018 13: 10
                      +6
                      Quote: Cheerful
                      So go to hell.

                      Spank on a fascinating sexual journey to the genetals of both sexes and your thoughts
                      Quote: Cheerful
                      On the demagogic hook "and you prove it"


                      Quote: Cheerful
                      My dear, I do not like the information on the wiki - forward and to the revisions, with links to sources.

                      Present to yourself. And I have already fallen in love with such hamsters enough to have mitorofanushek
                      Quote: Cheerful
                      I'm not going to peck, there are more interesting things to do.

                      here to hook.
        3. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 5 March 2018 09: 51
          +6
          And did Comrade Stalin personally organize all this? Especially to kill more in the country that he led. And in what year did he fully become a full-fledged head of state, pushing the Trotskyites-living swallows from the helm?
          And whose civil war is it? Red terror, you say. "Red" terrorists are known by name: Trotsky, Khrushchev, "the great commander of all times and peoples Tukhachevsky", etc. And here comrade Stalin?
          No need to bring everything together. One feels a liberal manner.
          1. Gloomy
            Gloomy 5 March 2018 10: 10
            +5
            So, you know, you can begin to justify Hitler.
            Crimes committed by the organization extend to all its members, and first of all responsibility for them lies with the leaders of the relevant organizations ..
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 5 March 2018 11: 01
              +6
              From slam, already Hitler dragged.
              Teach the materiel, than and when led Comrade. Stalin. Directly over the years, starting with the February bourgeois revolution.
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 5 March 2018 14: 59
                +3
                Do not argue, the cleaning lady, who washed the floors in the Central Committee building, is also guilty of crimes, because she is a "member of the organization."
                1. seal78
                  seal78 6 March 2018 10: 53
                  +1
                  Naturally, she washed the blood from the floor there, laughing viciously.
        4. wer2
          wer2 5 March 2018 12: 51
          +2
          Quote: Cheerful
          and this excluding WWII

          And why, without taking into account?
          Add 23 million civilians and 19 million military. And yet, consider, so correctly assume, 11 million unborn in 4 years. Total 53 million losses. Here is the real result of the participation of the USSR in WW2. Despite the fact that before the war, about 205 million people lived in the USSR.
        5. EvilLion
          EvilLion 5 March 2018 13: 00
          +7
          CIVIL WAR - 12,5 million


          Did her Bolsheviks begin? Or maybe the Bolsheviks brought the state to it?

          4 million exiled. 600 thousand dead in places of exile (conservative estimate of V.N. Zemskov). 90 thousand dead on the way.


          This is just a lie, because 1.2-1.3 million were dispossessed, who died well if there are 10 percentages, much more from the link willfully returned.

          TERROR - 2,5 million people (minimum rating)


          You either do not understand what you are carrying, or you deliberately lie. Mortality in places of detention is always and will be, during the war years, for obvious reasons was high. It has nothing to do with the regime at all, someone who was not particularly healthy thundered into the zone and died, someone not young, someone there was slaughtered by the same criminals.

          Shot a little less, but who shot? Personally, Stalin, or after all, when the NKVD in the 37 th flew off the coils, after Tukhachevsky’s conspiracy, that Beria had to pacify his volume, those who wrote denunciations to a neighbor?

          What is characteristic of mass repressions almost always comes after unsuccessful conspiracies, the last example is Turkey, where thousands began to plant after the mutiny, we do not even consider any layoffs due to “unreliability”. And there is no doubt that half was hurt for nothing, personal accounts were reduced, and competitors were disposed of.

          In general, you do not understand the question, do not write nonsense, you will not be disgraced.
          1. wer2
            wer2 5 March 2018 16: 00
            +1
            Quote: EvilLion
            Did her Bolsheviks begin?

            And who else? It was the Bolsheviks who committed the coup on October 17, January 18, of course. The healthy forces of society opposed the coup.
            1. seal78
              seal78 6 March 2018 10: 59
              +2
              Hello there. Do not know the stories at all? The putschists are the so-called "interim government" that overthrew the legitimate authority. But the Bolsheviks then saved the country.
              1. wer2
                wer2 6 March 2018 14: 17
                0
                Quote: seal78
                Do not know the stories at all?

                I know you much better.
                Quote: seal78
                The putschists are the so-called "interim government" that overthrew the legitimate authority.

                The interim government, these are revolutionaries. They received power from imp. Michael peacefully (the revolution was bloodless). And they were absolutely legitimate until January 1918. From this, this government was called the Provisional.
                Quote: seal78
                But the Bolsheviks then saved the country.

                God forbid in the future from such "saviors". It was after their coup that the country fell apart.
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 6 March 2018 16: 39
                  +3
                  The first one. Michael could not transfer power to anyone, because he was ANYONE.
                  Did he take power after the abdication of Nicholas in his favor? NO!
                  So on what basis, a person not endowed with authority, transferred the supreme power in Russia to the Provisional Government?
                  Do not disgrace such utter stupidity.
                  Nicholas also did not transfer power to the Provisional Government.
                  According to the imperial family law, he did not have the right to transfer power to any organization.
                  ONLY a member of the imperial family.
                  So your Provisional Government, usurpers and impostors, and it is THEY who started the Civil War, what is the Kornilov rebellion and the shooting of the summer demonstration of the 17th year, if not the Civil War?
                  Wow, "bloodless." Blood poured all over the country, is the shooting of officers in the summer of the 17th in Kronstadt “bloodless”?
                  No sweetheart, it was the Provisional Government that opened the Pandora's Box and unleashed the Civil War.
                  ILLEGAL provisional government, a government of impostors and usurpers.
                  No wonder Kolchak shot some of these impostors.
                  You do not know the story. Fact!
                2. seal78
                  seal78 6 March 2018 17: 45
                  0
                  The putsch is the overthrow of legitimate authority. The "Provisional Government" was not such. So do not blizzard here.
                  1. wer2
                    wer2 6 March 2018 21: 23
                    0
                    Quote: seal78
                    The putsch is the overthrow of legitimate authority. The "Provisional Government" was not such.

                    Learn the story, son.
        6. Captain45
          Captain45 5 March 2018 21: 27
          +3
          Quote: Cheerful
          According to openly accessible sources, the net demographic losses of Russia from the criminal actions of the Bolsheviks are about 33 million people (the population of a large European country) - and this does not include WWII:

          I have already seen the numbers you quoted. Do you know where? On a German leaflet calling for surrender to the soldiers of the Red Army. You give the enemy information as evidence of the crimes of the Bolsheviks. Who are you after that?
      2. seal78
        seal78 6 March 2018 10: 48
        0
        Well, why are you downplaying something? For a long time already everyone knows that we are talking about hundreds of billions.
    2. raw174
      raw174 5 March 2018 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: Cheerful
      What kind of people?

      For the sake of the Soviet state, it will be more correct. I think so yes ...
      Quote: Cheerful
      Maybe because on his hands the blood of millions of Russian people and other Russian people who have not forgotten their relationship, remember this?

      Then they should remember about the achievements of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin and the victory in the Second World War and the restoration of the country after, as an apotheosis. Stalin is worthy of respect as a statesman and patriot. Yes, the methods are sometimes controversial, but the goals achieved with him justified the means.
      1. wer2
        wer2 5 March 2018 12: 56
        +5
        Quote: raw174
        For the sake of the Soviet state, it will be more correct.

        The Soviet state, in fact, died in December 1927. Then there was the "socialist state." These are 2 different devices of a society. Despite this, the "socialist state" continued to call itself Soviet. Which really was not true.
        Quote: raw174
        Then they should remember about the achievements of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin and the victory in the Second World War and the restoration of the country after, as an apotheosis. Stalin is worthy of respect as a statesman and patriot.

        That's nonsense.
        Quote: raw174
        Yes, the methods are sometimes controversial,

        Indeed, to shoot people in hundreds of thousands without trial, these are just “controversial methods”.
        Quote: raw174
        but the goals achieved with him, justified the means.

        Dzhugashvili’s goal was one, to maintain a regime of personal power. At any cost. And he reached her.
        Do you like her? It's your problem. But after that, in my opinion, it’s difficult to call you a decent person.
        1. raw174
          raw174 5 March 2018 13: 48
          +5
          Quote: wer2
          The Soviet state, in fact, died in December 1927. Then there was the "socialist state"

          This is from the field of casuistry.
          Quote: wer2
          That's nonsense.

          What exactly is nonsense? Was there no achievement under Stalin or was it not under his direct control that they defeated or restored the country in the Second World War?
          Quote: wer2
          Indeed, to shoot people in hundreds of thousands without trial, these are just “controversial methods”.

          Well, wait, now many require execution for embezzlers and corrupt officials ... How do you feel about this idea? And where did you get that without a trial? It seems to me that each shot has his own daddy ...
          Quote: wer2
          Dzhugashvili’s goal was one, to maintain a regime of personal power. At any cost.

          Well, then why was industrialization necessary? Why develop industry? It would be simpler to lower everything to the level of a banana republic and military dictatorship. Why did you have to sacrifice a son? What gave him power? What legacy did he leave for his children? You are wrong, I think so.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 5 March 2018 14: 53
            +3
            Quote: raw174
            There were no achievements under Stalin

            Millions of starvation deaths cannibalism and carcassunprecedented in Russia is never an “achievement”, yes.
            Quote: raw174
            not under his direct control in WWII won

            And an unprecedented defeat in the world 41-42gg with whom was it?
            Quote: raw174
            didn’t they restore the country with him?

            Under him, for the Russian account, the recent killers-Germans, Hungarians and Romanians were restored
            Quote: raw174
            It seems to me that each shot has his own daddy ...

            Those. A person can be shot by passing a sentence WITHOUT his presence and the right to defense? MYSELF-agree
            Quote: raw174
            Well, then why was industrialization necessary? Why develop industry?

            NOBODY EGT SO requested to carry out this and did not instruct. Other countries were built and developed WITHOUT this, and live!
            Quote: raw174
            Why did you have to sacrifice a son?

            WHERE did he donate to him?
            Quote: raw174
            What gave him power?

            The fulfillment of all that he wants: to realize his fantasies and the satisfaction of his pride and ambition.
            1. raw174
              raw174 6 March 2018 07: 01
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              And an unprecedented defeat in the world 41-42gg with whom was it?

              They pulled out a piece of history and consider yourself right? No, let's look at the results of the war, and not part of it ... and about the “unprecedented defeat in the world”, it seems you have not heard about the defense of France)))
              Quote: Olgovich
              Under him, for the Russian account, the recent killers-Germans, Hungarians and Romanians were restored

              Troops were deployed in Germany on an ongoing basis, crushing the whole of Europe under themselves. Another thing is that then all profuca ...
              Quote: Olgovich
              A person can be shot by passing a sentence WITHOUT his presence and the right to defense?

              Wartime, post-war, when the state must protect itself, because it is the most vulnerable during this period.
              Quote: Olgovich
              MYSELF-agree

              Nobody wants to punish themselves, even maniacs believe that they are being punished unfairly. Incorrect question.
              Quote: Olgovich
              NOBODY EGT SO requested to carry out this and did not instruct.

              Who should have entrusted the supreme? what are you saying! Where has industry developed at such a pace?
              Quote: Olgovich
              WHERE did he donate to him?

              Old legends from library folios say that in the fields of the Second World War ...
              1. wer2
                wer2 6 March 2018 10: 27
                +1
                Quote: raw174
                No, let's look at the outcome of the war,

                Let's. 42 million dead. Of the 20 5 million pre-war population of the USSR. Tens of millions of disabled people. 11 million unborn. The European part of the country is in ruins.
                What did you get? One of the four occupation zones. And the East European Holodrons around their neck.
                Quote: raw174
                it seems you have not heard about the defense of France)))

                France 2MV did well.
                A quarter of a million soldiers are killed. Several tens of thousands were injured. No special damage. Also received one of the four occupation zones.
                Quote: raw174
                Troops were deployed in Germany on an ongoing basis, crushing the whole of Europe under themselves. Another thing is that then all profuca ...

                What, "crushed by themselves"?
                Quote: raw174
                when the state must protect itself

                The state must protect its citizens. The state should not protect itself.
                You have relic priorities. You write about medieval views on the place and role of the state in society. And the world today has long been different.
                Quote: raw174
                Where has industry developed at such a pace?

                Just do not "about the shock development of industry" in the USSR. Everyone recognized the price of this industry after the collapse of the USSR. That g ... that she let out to anyone, except for the Soviet consumer, who had no choice, was not needed. And this "industry" just died. In addition to raw materials, a low degree of redistribution. Yes, what can I say, almost without redistribution.
                Everything is logical and correct.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 6 March 2018 14: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: wer2
                  What did you get? One of the four occupation zones. And the East European Holodrons around their neck.

                  And the salvation of their own statehood, the honor of the people and their freedom. It’s not shameful to lay down this cup of life! The principle of freedom or death in action.
                  Quote: wer2
                  France 2MV did well.

                  And here I am, to put it mildly, shocked by your position ... But really, why resist, why fight and fight, it’s better to give up right away! Are you sworn in? After this your thesis is not an unequivocal attitude to your opinion in general ...
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 6 March 2018 16: 27
                +1
                Quote: raw174
                They pulled out a piece of history and consider yourself right?

                You pulled out, “forgetting” some of my same commentary. I repeat:
                Millions of starvation deaths, cannibalism and carnivoreunprecedented in Russia is never an “achievement”, yes.
                . 13 million starved to death! In the middle of the 20th century, in Europe!
                M Millions of exiled peasants, of whom about million exiled children! 600 died and this is also in the majority -children! Are you human or?
                Etc.
                Quote: raw174
                No, let's look at the results of the war, and not part of it ... and about the "unprecedented defeat in the world," it looks like you are about defense France did not hear)

                Germans occupied five France in the USSR. Did not know? These are five French defeats.
                Quote: raw174
                Troops were deployed in Germany on an ongoing basis, crushing the whole of Europe under themselves. Another thing is that then everything was profiled.

                FEEDED at the Russian expense for the whole of Eastern Europe because of what they had done in WWII. They created (for Russian spilled blood) huge Poland (it received most of all lands in WWII) -SELF on its head. Slightly weakened - ALL have become against us.
                Stupidly spent huge resources and money.
                Quote: raw174
                Wartime, post-war, when the state must protect itself, because it is the most vulnerable during this period.

                30 years, what a war ?! belay
                Quote: raw174
                Nobody wants to punish themselves, even maniacs believe that they are being punished unfairly. Incorrect question.

                I'm not talking about punishment. I AM about "trial"YOURSELF to the will of the trio, give it back, if that? Or do you want protection and a lawyer and jury? Of course! And those less people wanted you to live, think?
                Quote: raw174
                Who should have entrusted the supreme? what are you saying! Where has industry developed at such a pace?

                What is "supreme" in the 30s ?! lol PEOPLE instructsin electionswhom your feared as a FIRE and banned FOREVER. Remember: no one ever chose Stalin, NOT any choice!
                Quote: raw174
                Old legends from library folios say that in the fields of the Second World War ...

                In what sacrifice?
                1. raw174
                  raw174 7 March 2018 06: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  13 million dead from hunger! In the middle of the 5th century, in Europe!

                  In the United States, during the great depression, about 5 million people died of hunger. it was a global crisis, which was still superimposed in the USSR by the consequences of wars and revolution. This is sad and bad, but this is not the fault of a specific person. during his reign, the situation turned around.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The Germans occupied five France in the USSR. Did not know? These are five French defeats.

                  But the flag on the Reichstag was hoisted by Soviet soldiers.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  30 years, what a war ?!

                  Well, yes, I didn’t put it right, a small interwar gap. The country is weakened by the War (World War I) and very weakened by the revolution, is on the verge of Finnish.
                  1. wer2
                    wer2 7 March 2018 09: 37
                    0
                    Quote: raw174
                    In the United States, during the great depression, about 5 million people died of hunger.

                    Lies is Runet. Why retell it?
                    Quote: raw174
                    it was a global crisis, which was still superimposed in the USSR by the consequences of wars and revolution.

                    The world crisis did not overlap with the USSR. Because he was cut off from the rest of the world.
                    Quote: raw174
                    but the reason is not a specific person. during his reign, the situation turned around.

                    His methods of managing ("socialism") caused hunger.
                    Quote: raw174
                    But the flag on the Reichstag was hoisted by Soviet soldiers.

                    Who cares?
                    France got its zone of occupation. One out of four. Just like the USSR.
                    With a completely different amount of losses.
                    Those flags have long decayed. Like the bones of the dead. But the descendants of the dead will never be. The inhabitants of the former USSR will not have descendants of 42 million people. And the inhabitants of France - the descendants of 1,027 million people.
                    Who better waged a war?
                    Quote: raw174
                    The country is weakened by the War (World War I) and very weakened by the revolution, is on the verge of Finnish.

                    Which she, very weakly weakened, and began.
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 7 March 2018 10: 37
                      +4
                      Quote: wer2
                      France got its zone of occupation. One out of four. Just like the USSR.

                      Only if it were not for the USSR, they would not have received their statehood ... You did not answer my question (or I did not read it), are you sworn in to the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation (USSR)? Your amazing desire to present a military defeat as a feat surprises me ...
                      And on the part of the famine in the United States, three times HA-HA!
                      Quote: wer2
                      Which she, very weakly weakened, and began.

                      Are you really, Germany has declared war on Russia, and not vice versa!
                      1. wer2
                        wer2 7 March 2018 17: 49
                        0
                        Quote: raw174
                        Only if it were not for the USSR, they would not have received their statehood ...

                        Gee-gee-gee. No, you obviously amuse me not deTski.
                        Have you for some reason decided that if the Germans had defeated the Bolsheviks in 1941, for some reason would they have a chance of a common victory?
                        Yes, not at all. Anglo-Saxons would bring Indians, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Brazilians and other Canadians with Australians. And they would kill the Nazis sooner or later. With their tiny industrial potential, the Germans had no chance against the Anglo-Saxons initially. And the USSR in this big war was just a small bargaining chip.
                        I will remind you the story. At 19 in Russia, on the instructions of Britain, she also wet Napoleon. And at the cost of incredible sacrifices, she’s soaked. And when she imagines herself to be a “great winner”, she got a scribble in the Crimean War.
                        Dzhugashvili was not stupid. And he remembered all this. Therefore, he didn’t climb on the rampage, sat on the priest evenly, breathed quietly. Khrushchev was also not stupid. Therefore, when he began to swing rights and the Americans were ready to trick him (and the USSR) on the ramp, he prudently handed back.
                        The rest can not be remembered. They were already born timid retirees. Mentally.
                        Quote: raw174
                        Are you really, Germany has declared war on Russia, and not vice versa!

                        Actually, it was about Finnish. Read it again.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 7 March 2018 09: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: raw174
                    About 5 million people die of starvation in the USA during the Great Depression

                    Enough of this post-Soviet nonsense to replicate, which even the Soviet agitators were embarrassed to carry.
                    And how can one compare inhuman capitalism with a "people's" state? belay
                    Quote: raw174
                    . it was a global crisis, which was still superimposed in the USSR by the consequences of wars and revolution.

                    You STRAIGHTY START by saying this: after all, he declared in 1933 -34 that, unlike the West, the USSR was a crisis NOT touched and this is the merit of the communists. Remember, in the USSR, hunger and many millions of victims of hunger Did not have-read Stalin 33-34 years-there were some successes. fool
                    Quote: raw174
                    But the flag on the Reichstag was hoisted by Soviet soldiers.

                    As in 1812 in Paris and so forth. RUSSIANS always did this without the Bolsheviks.
                    AND WITHOUT such terrible victims.
                    Quote: raw174
                    Well, yes, I didn’t put it right, a small interwar gap. The country is weakened by the War (World War I) and very weakened by the revolution, is on the verge of Finnish.

                    EVERYTHING was weakened, but morale was nowhere to be found.
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 7 March 2018 10: 39
                      +2
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      As in 1812 in Paris and so forth. RUSSIANS always did this without the Bolsheviks.

                      And he will do it again without the Bolsheviks, but they won that war, Soviet soldiers ...
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      EVERYTHING was weakened, but morale was nowhere to be found.

                      Was.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 7 March 2018 11: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: raw174
                        And he will do it again without the Bolsheviks, but they won that war, Soviet soldiers.

                        These were the SAME warriors who conquered Paris in 1814, twice Berlin (until 1945) and others.
                        Quote: raw174
                        Was.

                        Data?
          2. wer2
            wer2 5 March 2018 16: 19
            +2
            Quote: raw174
            This is from the field of casuistry.

            This is a real story. And not so a fairy tale, which was memorized in the USSR.
            Quote: raw174
            There were no achievements under Stalin

            It depends on what is considered an achievement. And, most importantly, you need to carefully look at the price.
            Quote: raw174
            or not under his direct control in the Second World War won or not with him restored the country?

            There was a victory. But 42 million killed ... Every fifth resident of the pre-war USSR.
            Moreover, it is worth exaggerating the role of Dzhugashvili in all of this. Without the Anglo-Saxons, until 1943 the USSR was west of the Volga and the North. Dvina would not have lived. Despite all the simply enchanting mistakes of the Germans in 1941
            Quote: raw174
            And where did you get that without a trial? It seems to me that each shot has his own daddy ...

            I hope I heard about the NKVD triples and special meetings. Legally, this is all called "extrajudicial killings."
            In addition, do not forget the beginning of the 30s. Then the "socially alien" periodically shot at all without any triples, twos and units.
            Quote: raw174
            Well, then why was industrialization necessary? Why develop industry?

            For starters, there was no industrialization in the 30s. This is a Bolshevik lie, because money (in the form of grain) taken from starving and starving peasants went off the whistle. It was held in the 40s, at the captured and partially Lend-Lease mattechbase.
            But she was needed to strengthen personal power. Dzhugashvili feared not only an internal, but also an external threat. Manic feared.
            Quote: raw174
            It would be simpler to lower everything to the level of a banana republic and military dictatorship.

            So it was approximately. Only instead of bananas was the grain.
            Quote: raw174
            Why did you have to sacrifice a son?

            His son was captured by accident. Dzhugashvili did not assume that the Red Army would scatter in different directions with such speed.
            Quote: raw174
            What gave him power?

            Like what? ALL. Do you understand? ALL. You do not know power lovers.
            Quote: raw174
            What legacy did he leave for his children?

            That's it. Based on his disregard for the fate of his children, we can conclude that we have a mentally unhealthy person. Egoist to your fingertips. Who knew only himself, beloved. And the rest for him was just rubbish.
            Quote: raw174
            You are wrong, I think so.

            It is your right.
            1. raw174
              raw174 6 March 2018 07: 31
              +4
              Quote: wer2
              It depends on what is considered an achievement.

              Industry development. In our region, the Chelyabinsk Region then began. MMK was built in the early 30s, it is the main taxpayer in our region, ChTPZ - 42 g., ChTZ - 33 g. This is only the south of the Urals ...
              Quote: wer2
              Moreover, it is worth exaggerating the role of Dzhugashvili in all of this.

              The Soviet army under the command of the supreme commander defeated the Reich, at this point.
              Quote: wer2
              Without the Anglo-Saxons, until 1943 the USSR was west of the Volga and the North. Dvina would not have lived.

              About "if" there is folk wisdom about the grandmother and her genitals. And yes, still, the Germans are the Anglo-Saxons, as well as the British and part of the Americans. This is one people from the beginning ...
              Quote: wer2
              I hope I heard about the