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Kazakhstan’s decision to join the anti-nuclear treaty may in the long term threaten the entire Russian test-rocket infrastructure in this republic




According to media reports, the Republic of Kazakhstan decided to accede to the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear weapons. The document was signed by the Permanent Representative of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the UN, Kairat Umarov. It is noted that we are talking about a document that was opened for signing in July last year. Initially, the readiness to support the “nuclear-free” initiative was expressed around the 130 countries of the world, but in the end it turned out that the document was signed by the 56 states. The ratification of the treaty has been carried out so far in only five countries of the world With the necessary 50 for the entry into force of the Treaty. Not a single nuclear power, including the Russian Federation and the United States, has expressed a desire to join this treaty.

Thus, at first glance, the signature of Kazakhstan under this document of little importance at the moment means almost nothing.

Nevertheless, it is worth recalling that this gesture followed literally the day after Russian President Vladimir Putin, in his annual message, in the most unequivocal terms, declared his readiness, if necessary, to use nuclear weapons to protect the security of Russia and its allies.

Against this background, Kazakhstan’s choice of time for its anti-nuclear demarche looks too symbolic not to notice a direct connection here. The meaning of which is read quite definitely - Astana in this way distributes itself from the position of the Russian leader and makes it clear that it is not the ally of the Russian Federation that needs the Russian nuclear "umbrella".

It would seem, what's the problem? Nazarbayev does not need nuclear missile guarantees for the security of his country, and well, his difficulties.

However, the situation may not be as harmless as it seems at first glance.

The fact is that on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan since Soviet times there are a number of military facilities directly related to the development and practical testing of the latest Russian nuclear weapons, both offensive and defensive. Here is a reference from Wikipedia on one of the key objects of this kind - the Sary-Shagan test-rocket testing range:

“... in December 2010 of the year, training exercises were conducted on a Topol rocket.
October 24 2012, a conditional target at the test site, destroyed a prototype of a new Russian ballistic missile with a PC-26 mobile launcher launched from the Kapustin Yar test site in the Astrakhan Region of Russia
4 March 2014, an intercontinental ballistic missile RS-12М Topol, launched from the Kapustin Yar test site in the Astrakhan region of Russia, struck a training target at the test site. ”
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B-%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD_(%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD)

But Sary-Shagan gained special importance and worldwide fame as the only testing ground in Eurasia for strategic missile defense systems. Recently, intensive tests of the newest Russian anti-missile system PRS-1М, designed to upgrade the missile defense system of the Moscow region, have been conducted here.



Needless to say, all of the above delivery vehicles are tested without installing nuclear warheads on them. But the fact that all the above-mentioned missiles, both offensive and defensive, can in principle be considered as carriers of nuclear weapons makes them and the entire ground infrastructure located on the missile test sites a potential target for the forbidden treaty signed by Kazakhstan.

Here is what is written, for example, in one of the articles of this document:

“Article 2 Statement 1. Each State Party shall, no later than 30 days after the entry into force of this Treaty for this State Party, submit to the Secretary-General of the United Nations a statement in which: a) announces whether it owned, owned or controlled nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices and whether it eliminated its nuclear weapons program, including the elimination or irreversible conversion of all nuclear-related facilities, prior to the entry into force of this Treaty for this about the state party.»Http://undocs.org/ru/A/CONF.229/2017/8

In other clauses of the same Agreement it is specified that the total prohibition also applies to foreign objects located in the territory of the given country.

Thus, if sometime any 50 countries of the world, such as Botswana or Andorra, among which there are not a single nuclear power, ratify this non-binding Agreement, then it will become binding for all the countries that have joined it. UN document.

In other words, the same Republic of Kazakhstan will be forced to take exhaustive measures for the complete elimination or irreversible conversion of all objects on its territory that have at least the slightest relation to nuclear weapons. And, of course, the test sites, on which Russian missiles of various classes are being tested, intended for delivery, including nuclear weapons, will fall under the liquidation among the very first. And Kazakhstan will have nowhere to go. Because "he called himself gruzdem, get into the body." Signed a contract, be kind enough to follow it. And carry it out exactly in the form in which it is understood by "international experts". And they know who they work for.

Meanwhile, Kazakhstan’s missile test sites in Russia are not just a relic of the Soviet past. Because in due time for their arrangement the regions of the country that were most suitable for these specific purposes were chosen.

“The main criteria for selecting a site for the landfill, as well as when creating Kapustin Yar and NIIP-5 (Baikonur) rocket polygons, were the presence of sparsely populated flat treeless terrain, a large number of cloudless days, and the absence of valuable farmland. Marshal Nedelin recalled:
This is a very harsh desert area, uninhabited, unsuitable for grazing flocks. Stony barren and waterless desert. But the main dwelling of the missile defense ground can be tied to Lake Balkhash. It has fresh, though harsh, water, and the town will be blissful if you can apply this word to the desert. ”


It is not so easy to find an equivalent replacement by this vast, uninhabited expanses even in vast Russia. It is not by chance that she was not found even in 25 years. And, moreover, in recent years, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has been actively investing in the modernization of local landfill facilities, especially in Sary-Shagan.

So a harmless piglet, which friendly Kazakhstan has easily slipped Russia into Russia, may, over time, grow into a huge unfriendly pig, which is not so easy to remove from the Russian road.
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  1. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 06: 38
    +16
    Squeezed by numerous American requests. So we lack polygons, an interview with a representative of the holding is fresh in memory.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 5 March 2018 06: 45
      +4
      Vitaly, good morning. Well, we don’t get used to it. In principle, we have ours. The same is Kapustin Yar, for example .. They don’t want to get a rental for this, this will be their decision.
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      Squeezed by numerous American requests. So we lack polygons, an interview with a representative of the holding is fresh in memory.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 5 March 2018 07: 03
        +9
        Quote: 210ox
        Vitaly, good morning. Well, we don’t get used to it. In principle, we have ours. The same is Kapustin Yar, for example .. They don’t want to get a rental for this, this will be their decision.
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        Squeezed by numerous American requests. So we lack polygons, an interview with a representative of the holding is fresh in memory.

        I don’t think we will have a serious problem. The test will not hinder the testing of missiles without nuclear heads. Therefore, for mass-dimensional analogues there are no problems. But importing special units into Kazakhstan is not worth it. But for our own (Kazakhstan) uranium mining and processing serious problems may arise.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 March 2018 09: 35
          +6
          Quote: Cube123
          I don’t think we will have a serious problem. The test will not hinder the testing of missiles without nuclear heads.

          That's right, the contract is about
          liquidation or irreversible conversion of all objects, nuclear weaponsprior to the entry into force of this Treaty for this State Party.

          Such a training ground was in Semipalatinsk ... Sary-Shagan has nothing to do with nuclear weapons.
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 5 March 2018 10: 08
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            Such a training ground was in Semipalatinsk ... Sary-Shagan has nothing to do with nuclear weapons.

            Formally, the decision of Kazakhstan does not fundamentally change anything. Kazakhstan, back in 1991, signed the Lisbon Treaty and was listed as a non-nuclear-weapon country.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Лиссабонский_проток
            ol
            In the same 1991, the Semipalatinsk test site was closed.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Семипалатинский_исп
            study_site
        2. yuriyselivanov
          5 March 2018 09: 44
          +2
          "The agreement will not hinder the testing of missiles without nuclear heads"

          . Where does such confidence bordering on childish naivete come from?
      2. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 07: 35
        +10
        Quote: 210ox
        Vitaly, good morning. Well, we don’t get used to it. In principle, we have ours. The same is Kapustin Yar, for example .. They don’t want to get a rental for this, this will be their decision.
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        Squeezed by numerous American requests. So we lack polygons, an interview with a representative of the holding is fresh in memory.

        Dmitry, good morning hi It's time to equip the border and shake the border pitfalls. There will be no improvements, money flowed to them in a stream.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 5 March 2018 08: 17
          +15
          Ukraine, we safely in due time about *** whether now Kazakhstan ... what shall we do, or will not?
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 5 March 2018 10: 47
            +8
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Ukraine, we safely in due time about *** whether now Kazakhstan ... what shall we do, or will not?

            It remains to quarrel with Belarus and the matter is in the hat ...
            1. SVD
              SVD 7 March 2018 16: 58
              +1
              Listen, "pro ** racers", and you want to feed the "allies" at your own expense? And even if you feed them there is a big chance that they can turn backwards. All the "money elites" hold their assets over the hill and are very dependent. That is the whole answer.
          2. flicker
            flicker 5 March 2018 23: 31
            +2
            Ukraine, we safely in due time about *** whether,
            the main thing is "we". They were an independent state, WAS once more, and once again the STATE.
        2. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 5 March 2018 12: 01
          +5
          money didn’t flow to them, and Kazakh funds blocked their turnaround in the USA at the turnaround. Here Nazarbayev and the family are trying to get out from under the mattresses iron. There will still be some !!!
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 5 March 2018 12: 31
            +11
            Quote: zadorin1974
            It's only the beginning!!!

            Nursultan won’t be happy when traveling to the United States who is the owner in Kazakhstan, hence the transition to Latin, and the transfer of the capital from Almaat to Astana, suddenly there will be a scenario in Ukraine, the northern territories that Kazakhstan went to seem to be protected, the entire infrastructure was transferred, the same for the siloviki. Before the transfer of the capitals, it was Gulyaypole.
            Last year, the son of a friend of Kazakhs went to their historical homeland, and so, this is one relative but the local population looked, they say it mildly, askance, his uncle’s neighbors asked him to take off a T-shirt with the Russia logo, a cap. So Kazakhstan is already Ukraine 2.0.
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              1. Sirocco
                Sirocco 6 March 2018 02: 06
                +1
                In your opinion this is nonsense, I have this version based on information, what are you suggesting? Or can you fart water?
                1. S-kerrigan
                  S-kerrigan 6 March 2018 08: 13
                  +2
                  Or can you fart water?

                  It’s not he who farts in the water, but you — they hung noodles on your ears (what kind of information were you talking about?), And you are glad.
                  Everything is so, the capital was moved back in the XX century. And I heard about the Latin alphabet already in my school years. For a long time this topic wandered, almost at the level of tales it became, and then "suddenly, suddenly, it began to snow."

                  PS I remember a lot of laughter caused some decisions ... because here is a schoolboy, 3rd grade, studying Kazakh with a dictionary and clearly sees that Astana is translated from Kazakh as "capital". Neither give nor take. It turns out that the tracing paper is straight with the “toilet” or “Xerox”, only the mirror - the household name has become a proper name.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 5 March 2018 09: 55
      +3
      I would like to hear the official position of Russia on this issue, and not the assumptions of private "theorists." winked Kazakhstan, as a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, is already under the protection of Russia, and the republic has not announced its withdrawal from the organization, firstly. And the second is that the status of a neutral state logically corresponds to the rejection of the production of military nuclear technologies.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 5 March 2018 10: 50
      +8
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      Squeezed out according to American numerous requests.

      hi .This is the second step of the Republic of Kazakhstan after the introduction of the Latin alphabet. It was not for nothing that Nazarbayev was called to the States just now.
      It’s time for this “dove of peace” to be retired with honor, having previously prepared a replacement for him! hi
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 March 2018 06: 48
    +8
    Why don’t they join the treaty, understanding that Kazakhstan will never have nuclear weapons, but there is a possibility, as if not offending Russia, to oust it from landfills on its territory. Nevertheless, it was not in vain that Nazarbayev made friends with the Americans and whispered to Trump.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 5 March 2018 07: 13
      +10
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why don’t they join the treaty, understanding that Kazakhstan will never have nuclear weapons, but there is a possibility, as if not offending Russia, to oust it from landfills on its territory. Nevertheless, it was not in vain that Nazarbayev made friends with the Americans and whispered to Trump.

      This "whispering" was financially motivated - the arrest in the US of $ 22 billion owned by Kazakhstan. Here is the "question price".
      https://www.anews.com/p/82751132-s-kakoj-stati-am
      erikancy-zamorozili-milliardy-nacionalnogo-fonda-
      kazahstana /
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 5 March 2018 10: 08
      +9
      Germany is not only not a nuclear power, but also practically cannot hold its troops. However, on its territory there are 64 American bases, including those with a core. So what? Kazakhstan between Russia and China. For someone you have to lie unequivocally. Or does anyone have doubts about whom? hi
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 5 March 2018 10: 50
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Germany is not only not a nuclear power, but also practically cannot hold its troops. However, on its territory there are 64 American bases, including those with a core. So what?

        But did the Germans sign the same treaty? Here they take doubts, where is democracy?
  3. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 5 March 2018 06: 49
    +11
    Well sho ?! And where are the cries about sitting on Nazarbayev’s two chairs ?? what
    The transition to the Latin alphabet (such a good stone in the direction of the Russians), now it’s clearly not by its own understanding, but by a direction from the side, yet Kazakhstan’s body movement in politics with a clear complication for Russia ...
    request
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 5 March 2018 08: 51
      +5
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well sho ?! And where are the cries about sitting on Nazarbayev’s two chairs ??

      These are still minor hints. If there is a seat, there will be screams. But I’d spread your dad ... economically. For "reduced social responsibility"
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 5 March 2018 18: 12
        +8
        Quote: Winnie76
        For "reduced social responsibility"

        First, return your "patriots" from the English with America with their billiards home, and then call neighbors ugly words wink tongue
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 5 March 2018 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well sho ?! And where are the cries about sitting on Nazarbayev’s two chairs ??

      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well sho ?! And where are the cries about sitting on Nazarbayev’s two chairs ??

      Are you gloating? Do you feel better about it? Then go on
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 5 March 2018 18: 05
        +2
        Quote: BecmepH
        Are you gloating? Do you feel better about it? Then go on

        Yes, I'm on the drum wink you need to be consistent so that you are not caught for using double standards hi
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 6 March 2018 05: 44
          +2
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Quote: BecmepH
          Are you gloating? Do you feel better about it? Then go on

          Yes, I'm on the drum wink you need to be consistent so that you are not caught for using double standards hi

          Go catch shrimp, but red fish ... Otherwise, Russia will agree with another supplier
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 6 March 2018 06: 52
            +2
            Quote: BecmepH
            Go shrimp catch, yes red fish

            Everything is clear ....... Another patriot ... request hi
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 6 March 2018 07: 05
              +3
              Quote: Rurikovich
              Quote: BecmepH
              Go shrimp catch, yes red fish

              Everything is clear ....... Another patriot ... request hi

              No arguments? Therefore, be polite. We went to visit the Russians, so do not hait them. And they will not insult you, and poke your nose in ...
              1. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 6 March 2018 07: 12
                +2
                Quote: BecmepH
                We went to visit the Russians, so do not hait them

                Sorry, noble radiant lord fellow
                But only in the comments of the Russians themselves are partly too much “coddling” in relation to others wink The crown does not press hi ?
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 6 March 2018 07: 20
                  +4
                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  It’s only in the comments of the Russians themselves that partly sounds too much “crying” in relation to others. The crown does not press

                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  It’s only in the comments of the Russians themselves that partly sounds too much “crying” in relation to others. The crown does not press

                  So this is our country, we discuss it and scold it. Now, when the adversary comes, then we will forget all insults, unite and defend our Motherland. History has seen this many times.
                  And, you, have come to visit and, obviously, throw on the fan. Now, when everything will be fine in your country, then come to us and teach.
                  In the meantime, go, pack a Norwegian red fish under your own.
                  Go clean your house, and we ourselves, without the snot of others, will clean up.
                  Come, moan, and then take offense that you are offended.
                  All the best to you. And goodbye. Enough of their trolls.
                  1. Rurikovich
                    Rurikovich 6 March 2018 07: 31
                    +3
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    Now, when everything will be fine in your country, then come to us and teach.

                    Oh how! Well, as soon as it comes to Belarus, then immediately a bunch of crap spills out, huh? Well, you will not say - is it their personal business to let them figure it out? Are you starting to teach us life ???
                    For information - “Santa Bremor” is a joint Russian-Belarusian enterprise producing sea products with an office in Brest and facilities in Russia. And in most cases, smuggling through the Republic of Belarus is strangely enough noticed by Russians. Mat part learn hi
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    Go clean your house, and we ourselves, without the snot of others, will clean up.

                    I will look in the comments to the articles regarding Belarus on how honest and fair you will be with regard to how and where to restore order. wink
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    Come, moan, and then take offense that you are offended.

                    So make the site exclusively Russian, ban all the "not ours" and rejoice without guests yes Who's stopping that ????
                    hi
                    1. St Petrov
                      St Petrov 7 March 2018 17: 43
                      +3
                      So you will make the site exclusively Russian, ban all the "not ours" and rejoice without guests yes Who is stopping that ????


                      I will be glad when you start at global prices for oil and gas to sell and the Old Man will be taken out on a pitchfork and will be requested under the wing of the Russian Federation. Well, the market when you have the general rules will be with all foreign representatives in the Russian Federation - until you enter the Russian Federation

                      After Ukraine, I think the conversation should be short. With independent wassat

                      And I’m glad I’m not that the Belarusian began to live worse - but that the Belarusian realized that all his mrias about independence are an empty phrase, not worth a penny

                      So I wait and believe in erasing the borders and in the liquidation of all your ministries

                      PS And scare the fact that Belarus will stick into the EU is not necessary. Channel for many years. I think that's enough now

                      PPS But everyone is in no hurry in the Kremlin, but continues to subsidize 8 million residents of the Republic of Belarus, after which some representatives here emit sharp comments.

                      PPPS Ukrainians have already joked at Russian forums.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 5 March 2018 10: 16
      +2
      Yes, this Latin surrendered to you. Didn’t we write in Georgian, Armenian, Lithuanian or Latvian? Let me write Kazakh words even in Latin letters, even in Cyrillic. I don’t understand a damn thing. And so they will have at least an English-Kazakh dictionary more convenient for them.
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 March 2018 06: 56
    +7
    Nuclear weapons treaty
    and they will develop space programs with the Americans! Where is it ? In Baikonur? Good ally!
  5. svp67
    svp67 5 March 2018 07: 23
    +5
    Kazakhstan’s decision to join the anti-nuclear treaty may in the long term threaten the entire Russian test-rocket infrastructure in this republic
    Well, it’s not in vain that Russia is systematically LEAVING from Baikonur and has been doing this for several years.
  6. cedar
    cedar 5 March 2018 07: 49
    +1
    At once and at once they will not ban. Surely there are bilateral agreements and terms on them.
    So if, what, prepare in advance. And in general this question is not relevant now.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 5 March 2018 09: 12
      +10
      Quote: cedar
      In general, this question is not relevant now.

      And when will it be relevant? When does a roasted rooster peck at the 5th point? When we, with a filthy broom, rubbing ourselves in front of the nose, they will sweep the agreement out of Kazakhstan. So it was with Ukraine. In an atmosphere of friendly bliss, they dried out all their key positions in this country. And with Kazakhstan the same story looms.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 5 March 2018 09: 30
        +8
        They will also compensate for the environment, this will be another kick in the ass, the “green” are waiting, the experts are ready.
    2. yuriyselivanov
      5 March 2018 09: 46
      +6
      Well yes! The issue with Ukraine was also "not relevant" until Yanukovych rented a cottage near Rostov. "
  7. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 5 March 2018 07: 56
    +5
    In the future, Russia will get one more dill near by. Under Nazarbayev, this will not happen, of course, but after he leaves, it will inevitably happen. I think that in the Kremlin they also understand this, that’s why they are building cosmodromes.
  8. odometer
    odometer 5 March 2018 08: 00
    +8
    Recently, I notice a lot of “expert” topics on many resources, both Russian (or Russian, as it were) and Kazakhstan, those of a similar kind. Earsens on any subject, from Latin to infinity ... And in the comments, it is quite expected, constantly the necessary level of negativity is maintained, both with the Russian and Kazakhstani (those who are more marginalized, nationally tuned and frankly stupid). And the feeling is that topics, for different audiences, are written with the same faces.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 5 March 2018 09: 06
      +5
      Quote: curvimeter
      And in the comments, quite expectedly, the necessary level of negativity is constantly maintained, both with the Russian and Kazakhstani (those who are more marginalized, nationally tuned and frankly stupid).

      In your opinion, the "allies" need to experience positive? Why all of a sudden? I have no doubt that with the presence of iron guarantees, both Lukashenko and Nazarbayev will easily miss the aggressor tanks. And the people will stupidly swallow it. His shirt is closer to the body.
      While we are in the same boat, but this does not seem to be for long. And this is for the best. Get out of illusion, Russia has two allies ...
      1. odometer
        odometer 5 March 2018 09: 29
        +4
        I'm not talking about positiveness per se. I'm talking about how easy it is, skillfully, to push people together with their foreheads.
      2. Northern warrior
        Northern warrior 5 March 2018 13: 07
        +1
        Four ! VKS and Strategic Missile Forces forgot.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 5 March 2018 14: 23
      0
      Quote: curvimeter
      in the comments, it is expected that the necessary level of negativity is constantly maintained, and with the Russian and Kazakhstani (those who are more marginalized, nat.nastreneny and frankly stupid)

      And after all, mind you often write people, or as you called them .. that Kazakhstan almost do not know, maybe they are mistaken, and maybe they feel a darling. And this despite the fact that most writers have not yet met in Kazakhstan with
      Quote: curvimeter
      the same faces
      , and criminal, and moreover in uniform.
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  9. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 5 March 2018 08: 08
    +4
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Why don’t they join the treaty, understanding that Kazakhstan will never have nuclear weapons, but there is a possibility, as if not offending Russia, to oust it from landfills on its territory. Nevertheless, it was not in vain that Nazarbayev made friends with the Americans and whispered to Trump.


    Prostitution in politics has never led to anything good! Neighborhood hahladraniya’s experience teaches nothing? Or has it already weakened from the heart, the recent attempts of pro-Western local Natsiks to destabilize the situation in Kazakstan have been forgotten? And they have not gone anywhere these Natsik! They are waiting in the wings! As soon as they learn the slightest drift of the smart-ass Nazarbay to the stotron from Russia, so immediately prepare, get and sign the scuff from the Nazis, and there it is not far to Donbass-2!
  10. captain
    captain 5 March 2018 08: 45
    +8
    Author’s quote: “It’s not so easy to find an equivalent replacement even in huge Russia for these boundless uninhabited expanses. It’s not by chance that they haven’t been found even in 25 years. And, moreover, the Russian Defense Ministry has been actively investing in modernizing the local landfill in recent years, especially in Sary-Shagan. "
    These actions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation suggest that the Russian Ivan can step on the rake countless times. And the experience with Ukraine of our military did not teach anything.
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  12. d1975
    d1975 5 March 2018 09: 39
    +7
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Ukraine, we safely in due time about *** whether now Kazakhstan ... what shall we do, or will not?

    We will not do this, but this is primarily a question for our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, enough to wear nymphs, it’s time to look at the promised land. Politics in relation to neighbors, in my opinion, is simply a failure! Our Foreign Ministry succeeded in this.
  13. turbris
    turbris 5 March 2018 12: 40
    +1
    Sooner or later, all the same, one would have to abandon the Sary-Shagan training ground and other facilities, including Baikonur. All these facilities should be located exclusively on the territory of the Russian Federation. Kazakhstan is an independent state and it may have its own views on its further development, which do not always coincide with the interests of the Russian Federation and this is normal.
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 March 2018 13: 01
      +3
      It is abnormal that Moscow split the USSR in such a way that the vital infrastructure components of the RF and intellectual property were actually presented to the enemy “for that”. If the closest ally and neighbor does this, then in the "soft underbelly" you have a hole from which the insides fall out and through which the infection flows inside the body.
  14. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 5 March 2018 13: 13
    +3
    All or almost all of the young Kazakh elite is brought up and trained in the United States, and this says everything about Russia's ally.
    1. Vdi73
      Vdi73 10 March 2018 06: 41
      +1
      And where is our young elite studying, and not young?
  15. BAI
    BAI 5 March 2018 13: 52
    0
    Sary-Shagan acquired particular importance and worldwide fame as the only testing ground for strategic missile defense systems in Eurasia. Recently, intensive tests of the latest Russian missile defense PRS-1M, designed to modernize the missile defense system of the Moscow region, have been conducted here.

    So what? ABM has no relation to nuclear weapons; nuclear weapons carriers are not tested in Kazakhstan. Nothing will happen to polygons. And it will happen - it’s better for us, we will develop our test infrastructure, and Kazakhstan will not have to pay a lot of money for rent.
  16. Humpty
    Humpty 5 March 2018 14: 07
    +1
    How many times did the head of Kazakhstan nominate himself for the "peace" 7 or 8 times? Something has not yet grown together, but there are chances. Ghollows flying on the wings of the world.
  17. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 5 March 2018 14: 24
    +4
    The problem is far-fetched. There are no nuclear missiles on the territory of Kazakhstan and the Semipalatinsk test site has long been closed. So it fully fits the terms of the contract. There are no tests of air defense and missile defense facilities under the terms of the contract. So there is no reason for Kazakhstan to refuse the extra millions of dollars that Russia pays for the test site .It is clear that ideally it is necessary to have such landfills on your own territory, but I am sure that such work has been ongoing for a long time.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 5 March 2018 15: 25
      +1
      Quote: Xscorpion
      So Kazakhstan has no reason to refuse the extra millions of dollars that Russia pays for the landfill.

      Kazakhstan may not have a reason, but you are sure that a certain, small part of the population of Kazakhstan does not have very significant reasons for this.
      Quote: Xscorpion
      The problem is far-fetched.

      Some respected members of the forum make a bugurt around the introduction of Paralatian writing there. Some, on the contrary, consider the severity of the issue far-fetched.
      For you personally, it is probably not difficult to find somewhere near the place of work of the school historian and ask for a glass of tea about what language was official in the south of Kazakhstan to the Russians. At the same time, you can ask yourself about other official languages ​​that took place before the Russians in Kazakhstan.
      There will be plenty of food for the brain, unless of course you are concerned about the topic. hi
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        1. Humpty
          Humpty 6 March 2018 06: 48
          0
          Quote: Zerek
          Farsi.

          What am I saying, besides Farsi in the south, other quite official languages ​​existed in different parts, among them, for example, Chinese and Russian. Not too little is one state language?
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            1. Humpty
              Humpty 7 March 2018 09: 50
              0
              Quote: Zerek
              And where was that Chinese?

              No, no, not about ancient times. About the 19th century. The right bank of Ili moved Russia from China.
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  18. prior
    prior 5 March 2018 14: 43
    +1
    But isn’t it time in Kazakhstan to hold a referendum under the protection of the “green men” on reunification with the union state?
  19. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 5 March 2018 15: 33
    +4
    I agree with the opinion that sooner or later the moment “Ch” will come in Kazakhstan. And in order not to step on the same rake, it is necessary to calculate the development of the situation for many years to come and begin to move now, and not when the "cock pecks."
  20. d1975
    d1975 5 March 2018 19: 45
    +3
    Quote: Sergey-72
    I agree with the opinion that sooner or later the moment “Ch” will come in Kazakhstan. And in order not to step on the same rake, it is necessary to calculate the development of the situation for many years to come and begin to move now, and not when the "cock pecks."

    This is just beginning to seem to us to be developed, well, very slow steps. Our sufferings are usually associated with liberals. And they have one thought, as it were, sp ............ but more. They have no homeland, there is only territory.
  21. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 5 March 2018 20: 17
    +3
    Yes, this is a hint of "friendly" funding.
  22. flicker
    flicker 5 March 2018 23: 42
    +2
    Nevertheless, a parallel between Kazakhstan and Ukraine should not be drawn.
  23. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 6 March 2018 02: 13
    0
    Heater to some meanness and desire to please the United States. Our neighbors are shitty, they will sell without hesitation if only they would not infringe on US interests. Eh, Nazarbayev
  24. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 6 March 2018 15: 07
    0
    Promise and marry are two big differences. Just like signing a treaty and ratifying it. Yelbasy merely hinted to Putin about increasing fees for the use of landfills. And what - the market, damn it!
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 6 March 2018 16: 18
    +1
    This is chantage. Salvage will be asked from Russia.
  26. NordUral
    NordUral 7 March 2018 13: 12
    +3
    It is not necessary to steal on the construction of spaceports, but to build. And God bless him, with the newly-born Latin Nazarbayev, God be his judge and people of Kazakhstan.
    And even better, on March 18, all the people unanimously vote for Grudinin (even though he may not be the one we see now, but it will still be better for the country and people).
    The people will make him fulfill the promise. And with Putin, the road to the abyss.
    This is our ONLY! a chance to expel this gang from power, which brought our country to such trials and humiliations that even faithful allies in the past leave us.
    I congratulate all the women of Russia on the spring women's holiday on March 8!

    And I urge you, dear women, to convince lazy men to vote for a popular candidate!
  27. Oleg 1965
    Oleg 1965 7 March 2018 14: 39
    0
    I didn’t understand anything, and here the author rests on Sary-Shagan, the landfill is purely for air defense.
  28. Antor
    Antor 7 March 2018 18: 46
    0
    Nazarbayev in his old age, under the influence of his pro-Western friends and advisers, really wants to like the amers and does everything they prompt him !!! He was very frightened at the time by Putin’s statement that Kazakhstan as a country never existed in history, they lived with their own ZhUZs (tribal unions) and they couldn’t work out or merge into one state in history. That’s why steps were clearly not friendly - transition to the Latin alphabet, etc. Russians in Kazakhstan are becoming, if they have not already become second-class people, then it will be ahead !!
  29. d1975
    d1975 8 March 2018 10: 08
    +1
    Quote: BecmepH
    Go catch shrimp, but red fish ... Otherwise, Russia will agree with another supplier
    First of all, I must say who is in charge of this chain. It’s necessary to bring down first of all the Moscow hucksters, it is from them all the evil. They only do it - buy and sell. Really who makes the economy unit. Well, if the outbid ceases to buy, what for these shrimps and fish will be needed. We have our own, but look at how the system works, and then criticize. If real production begins to work, then how will the huckster live? For what ?
  30. Arabfun
    Arabfun 8 March 2018 16: 27
    +1
    Quote: Starover_Z
    It remains to quarrel with Belarus and the matter is in the hat ...
    "Use bleach to clean the floors - we are going to your place - to fight with chemical weapons" The presence of nuclear weapons (it is not there) does not mean anything at all - this is a reliable pretext for the penetration of the US MTR into Kazakhstan, for a change of leadership and the destruction of the country. Belarus self-preservation instinct worked, they were not allowed into the country, so everything is in order there. But Kazakhstan was mistaken and is heading towards a color revolution. NATO / USA: "We have a permanent presence in any country - any NATO country and others on the border with Russia (in 75%, 149 countries of the planet), doing phenomenal things for our allies, ...".
    https://michael-ky.livejournal.com/135702.html
  31. solovald
    solovald 9 March 2018 06: 25
    0
    When the treaty is still ratified, by that time everything could change, therefore Nazarbayev seems to be trying to please "both us and you ... and just in case - to them."
  32. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 9 March 2018 21: 10
    -1
    Quote: c-Petrov
    So you will make the site exclusively Russian, ban all the "not ours" and rejoice without guests yes Who is stopping that ????


    I will be glad when you start at global prices for oil and gas to sell and the Old Man will be taken out on a pitchfork and will be requested under the wing of the Russian Federation. Well, the market when you have the general rules will be with all foreign representatives in the Russian Federation - until you enter the Russian Federation

    After Ukraine, I think the conversation should be short. With independent wassat

    And I’m glad I’m not that the Belarusian began to live worse - but that the Belarusian realized that all his mrias about independence are an empty phrase, not worth a penny

    So I wait and believe in erasing the borders and in the liquidation of all your ministries

    PS And scare the fact that Belarus will stick into the EU is not necessary. Channel for many years. I think that's enough now

    PPS But everyone is in no hurry in the Kremlin, but continues to subsidize 8 million residents of the Republic of Belarus, after which some representatives here emit sharp comments.

    PPPS Ukrainians have already joked at Russian forums.

    oh how scary !!!
    And why are there only enemies around you ... or maybe it’s not worth it? kick in the mirror ??? , since erysipelas curve ?!
  33. Vdi73
    Vdi73 10 March 2018 06: 30
    0
    Russia as part of the USSR in vain built significant objects in the Union republics. Although, of course, then no one could have imagined that Gorbachev and Yeltsin would come to power.
  34. Ivan Vasiliev
    Ivan Vasiliev 10 March 2018 19: 20
    0
    Nothing will change. Already happened with Baikonur. Kazakhs as they realized that they are losing profits immediately surrendered back. Similarly, here. For rent they receive money and not small.
  35. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 12 March 2018 13: 33
    0
    And the desert will be completely deserted.
  36. dm-itry
    dm-itry 13 March 2018 23: 12
    0
    Yes, Russia doesn’t have any friends, around there are just forgiveness who will sell any for a dollar.