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DOSAAF: the Ministry of Defense considers us an ideal platform for the preparation of PMCs

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DOSAAF Deputy Chairman Nikolai Staskoi in an interview RIA News announced that the main defense department had chosen the organization’s site, allegedly to train representatives of private security companies (private military companies). This statement was made very sensibly against the background of the fact that in Russia there is no legislative basis for the very existence of private security companies.


Staskov said that he himself was involved in the development of the relevant bill.

From the interview:
I dealt with the issue of drafting the law (on PMCs) and we went to the General Staff, the Minister of Defense and at the end of our report the conclusion was made by the Chief of General Staff, the Minister of Defense that DOSAAF is an ideal platform to prepare private military campaigns.


DOSAAF: the Ministry of Defense considers us an ideal platform for the preparation of PMCs


The main advantage of DOSAAF in this respect is that society is a non-governmental organization.

Nikolay Staskov:
If such a political decision is made, then we are ready to fully engage in, develop our achievements and act, because we have a vision and an understanding of how to do this. We know how to train a single soldier, as part of a unit, and also to prepare a unit for a certain type of equipment.


Then Staskov announced the activities of the “Wagnerites”:
So far there is no law, we are content with the fact that some campaigns under various names, Wagner and so on, work, but we know many cases when our, so to speak, illegal allies were brought to justice. This is the trouble that people perform combat missions, and then they become guilty. To do this, everything must be settled on a legal basis.


At the same time, the representative of DOSAAF did not specify who specifically assigned combat missions today are performing “prototypes of PMCs”.
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  1. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 3 March 2018 06: 58
    +15
    Self-promotion. Although very doubtful. If I created my PMC, then I would give up DOSAAF resources.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 07: 01
      +18
      Oh, what a material base DOSAAF had before ... How many guys brought up both real soldiers and just professionals .. Everyone ruined and plundered liberalism!
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 3 March 2018 07: 26
        +11
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Oh, what a material base DOSAAF had before ... How many guys brought up both real soldiers and just professionals .. Everyone ruined and plundered liberalism!


        Yes, that was the case. But even if it is restored, then this is the level of KMB, no more. For PMCs, special training grounds and training facilities are needed, as in special teams. And so that no one superfluous dangles underfoot.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 08: 08
          +4
          Quote: Alex-a832
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Oh, what a material base DOSAAF had before ... How many guys brought up both real soldiers and just professionals .. Everyone ruined and plundered liberalism!


          Yes, that was the case. But even if it is restored, then this is the level of KMB, no more. For PMCs, special training grounds and training facilities are needed, as in special teams. And so that no one superfluous dangles underfoot.

          I will answer you with the words of this sincere song .. I do not like the word PMCs, many would do it all for free ..! The idea is needed simply at the state level ..

          That's it . in our souls .. soldier
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 3 March 2018 08: 19
            +19
            The deputy chairman of DOSAAF Nikolai Stasky needs to be driven by a filthy broom.
            He did not create DOSAAF with his own money. And decided to cut loot on this base.
            His task is to prepare youth for service in the Russian army.
            And he, ..... ka, decided that it was his personal office and he would prepare mercenaries. Fucking businessman.
            PMC main words PRIVATE! Friends, do you really want private structures with the right to violence to appear in our state? Would you like to pretend? Kokakola hit in the head?
            This is not a movie. The right to violence belongs ONLY to the STATE.
            Otherwise, we will fall apart. Here, including using such PMCs and break up.

            Imagine PMCs in Chechnya for a second. But not on the side of the state. they are private, they can be on either side.
            If someone relies on the "right" law, then he is either a fool or a provocateur. People with weapons in their hands themselves will become law immediately.
            Did you want a civil war? Become friends.
            Government officials for such calls need to be planted. And on the count.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 3 March 2018 08: 22
          +5
          It’s complete nonsense. That DOSAAF is an ideal platform .. Sometimes it might not be all, but they trained specialists. Drivers, signalmen. Nothing so far. I agree with you that special training grounds are needed and people have served in the army for years.
          Quote: Alex-a832
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Oh, what a material base DOSAAF had before ... How many guys brought up both real soldiers and just professionals .. Everyone ruined and plundered liberalism!


          Yes, that was the case. But even if it is restored, then this is the level of KMB, no more. For PMCs, special training grounds and training facilities are needed, as in special teams. And so that no one superfluous dangles underfoot.
      2. Cadet
        Cadet 3 March 2018 07: 36
        +1
        Going sometimes to the local DOSAAF, one gets the impression that he was in the early 80s, the people work there are excellent.
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 3 March 2018 07: 49
          +5
          Your DOSAAF is lucky. It most often depends on the leader. More than once I saw how a leader with bad thoughts, having accepted quite normal personnel, turns him into dung.
          1. Cadet
            Cadet 3 March 2018 07: 53
            +1
            We practically don’t communicate with the leader, he arrived, made a jump, talked with people and left.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 3 March 2018 08: 25
          +3
          I wonder where is such a picture? For example, Smolensk. The huge building is occupied by everyone, but not the training of military specialists.
          Quote: Cadet
          Going sometimes to the local DOSAAF, one gets the impression that he was in the early 80s, the people work there are excellent.
          1. Cadet
            Cadet 3 March 2018 08: 35
            +2
            the city of Yalutorovsk (Tyumen club DOSAAF), I can’t say anything about Ishimsky because I haven’t been there for five years. The building and infrastructures in Yalutorovsk are maintained and monitored, I just want to modernize and make good repairs, the students are engaged in parachute training. I was not in Ishim DOSAAF for five years, maybe after the flood there, something has changed, I do not know.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 3 March 2018 09: 37
              +1
              Well, what can I say. Lucky. Perhaps the merchants just did not get to these premises ..
              Quote: Cadet
              the city of Yalutorovsk (Tyumen club DOSAAF), I can’t say anything about Ishimsky because I haven’t been there for five years. The building and infrastructures in Yalutorovsk are maintained and monitored, I just want to modernize and make good repairs, the students are engaged in parachute training. I was not in Ishim DOSAAF for five years, maybe after the flood there, something has changed, I do not know.
              1. Cadet
                Cadet 3 March 2018 09: 38
                +2
                Difficult to get, far away from cities.
                1. Cadet
                  Cadet 3 March 2018 10: 03
                  +2
                  although, thanks to the Muscovites, in quotation marks, they are gradually bending Plekhanovo airport, having built up the fields around it with high-rise buildings, now the status of the airport has been transferred to the status of a runway.
    2. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 3 March 2018 07: 02
      +10
      There will be PMC units instead ... DOSAAF units. laughing The trouble is all over NATO. am KEEP ONE Fighter SEVERO bully
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 08: 02
        +4
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        There will be PMC units instead ... DOSAAF units.

        But what a good idea .. If you restore the material base and state support, the boys will run there in a crowd .. This structure of excellent patriots brought up I remember!
        Young people need to be torn off from computers and social networks urgently! There are many real cases in Russia .. soldier
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 3 March 2018 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          There will be PMC units instead ... DOSAAF units.

          But what a good idea .. If you restore the material base and state support, the boys will run there in a crowd ..

          And if for the preparation of mercenaries to revive WDOAM .. fellow .uuuu, he studied there himself at one time .. laughing
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 3 March 2018 08: 32
      +2
      Our Russian Orthodox Church is also a non-governmental organization. So maybe she will be engaged in the "education" of PMCs? lol PMC is a private military organization. And if it is private, then according to our Constitution, the state does not have the right to interfere in its activities, if it is not criminal, causes or may cause harm, a threat or security to the state, society and citizens. Now let's think about what parameters PMCs can comply with these provisions? Yes, no! belay Who can control them? Maybe a prosecutor or state consumer supervision (former sanitary service)? Do not tell my slippers. lol
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 08: 47
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Our Russian Orthodox Church is also a non-governmental organization. So maybe she will be engaged in the "education" of PMCs?

        And why not .. VERA in the Russian soul takes not the last place!
        OURS do not fight for money (although this is also important, families have many)
        Call of blood, there is such a thing (as Zakhar Prilepin correctly wrote) .. The blood of our heroic ancestors is seething in us and does not give rest to our souls ..
        Here is something I so wanted to express myself! hi
    4. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 3 March 2018 08: 57
      +4
      The Ministry of Defense considers us an ideal platform for the preparation of PMCs
      Why champ, tell me bluntly, gentlemen, mercenaries who are ready to die for money and for the interests of others. Do not corrupt the memory of DOSAAF - there was once a powerful, beloved by the people of the USSR, patriotic organization.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 11: 25
        +4
        Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
        The Ministry of Defense considers us an ideal platform for the preparation of PMCs
        Why champ, tell me bluntly, gentlemen, mercenaries who are ready to die for money and for the interests of others. Do not corrupt the memory of DOSAAF - there was once a powerful, beloved by the people of the USSR, patriotic organization.

        All right! And then liberalism began to be cast out on our past ..
        EXCELLENT comment Arkady! hi
    5. Jerk
      Jerk 3 March 2018 09: 07
      +2
      I do not know. At one time, it was DOSAAF’s structure that belonged to the rifle club, and the resources there were in full swing, from the base of the Olympic reserve to the very thrifty army shooting ranges with instructors from there. True, it was still in the Union and a little after hooked. If all the same remains, then prepare there at least abruptly than the conscript troops - how to do nefig
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 11: 36
        +2
        Quote: Jerk
        At one time, it was DOSAAF’s structure that belonged to the rifle club, and the resources there were in full swing - from the base of the Olympic reserve to very thieves' army shooting ranges with instructors from there

        The structure was serious, with an external modest sign DOSAAF!
        The selection of talented boys there was also going on, as in schools, institutes, etc. !
        Alas, all this is already in the past .. Although now they are trying to restore something, so as not to be late!
    6. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 3 March 2018 12: 17
      +1
      The company involved in hostilities is not for the amateur and entry level, which is DOSAAF. Perhaps it would be more accurate to create a special private security "defense service" at the Moscow Region, with reference to the GRU. But according to the latest events in Syria. you need to abandon the cover of private companies and act as before by special forces, because people with PMCs acting on the tasks of special forces remain all over the place "overboard"
    7. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 3 March 2018 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: Alex-a832
      Self-promotion. Although very doubtful. If I created my PMC, then I would give up DOSAAF resources.

      “If I created my PMC” - the key word is “if” ... It’s like doing the oil and gas business in Kogalym or fishing in Kaliningrad. Everything seems to be understandable, but it’s impossible to get a damn without the appropriate levers. Therefore, first you need to reach out to these levers ...
      PMCs are not chop. Even if you create your own private security company for 2-3 pieces every week, nothing will work with PMCs, because this is a new, unknown business, but you don’t see any clues - instead, you find yourself self-promoting ...
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 3 March 2018 18: 07
        +4
        And I do not consider the analogy with the chop. PMCs in Russia-it is in fact fully state. subordinate units to work where it is impossible to directly use the aircraft. I am opposed to our PMCs turning into business.
        ChOPy did not create and did not manage them. Although once I had to clean up the chop of one friend. No need to compare the incomparable.
  2. jovanni
    jovanni 3 March 2018 07: 01
    +6
    I don’t know how about PMCs, and in the Soviet Union, DOSAAF helped a lot to increase the competencies of draftees. And many received a specialty for life. There was a good system ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 3 March 2018 08: 42
      +1
      In the USSR, sports were not state and national squads. Yes, only all the athletes somewhere were listed as workers and employees and received a salary instead of a master puncher and a locksmith of 3 categories, and the combatants were supposed to have paid time off or a day for vacation. In any case, all these public organizations were paid by the state. And what will PMCs “earn” to pay for equipment, weapons, vehicles, and their maintenance? belay
  3. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 07: 01
    +9
    All this, to put it mildly, is debatable, especially with DOSAAF. When working with PMCs, noise is not necessary, but let the society work with conscripts, there is many years of experience in this.
  4. pjastolov
    pjastolov 3 March 2018 07: 02
    +3
    At the same time, the representative of DOSAAF did not specify who specifically assigned combat missions today are performing “prototypes of PMCs”.
    instructors guarding facilities
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  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 3 March 2018 07: 05
    +5
    Oooh, to hell there they will prepare fighters in DOSAAF, then hold them with the whole Pentagon. What does this comrade drive?
  6. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 3 March 2018 07: 11
    +5
    And who will cook them there? The contingent, which is now at the helm there? Funny.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 March 2018 07: 14
    +4
    A man decided to remind himself and at the same time (if he does) to cut down money. Disgusting PR, because if there really were any kind of coordination, negotiations on this topic, then it was worth keeping quiet about it at least in the near future.
  8. bald
    bald 3 March 2018 07: 45
    +1
    And why not legitimize PMCs. Income to the treasury, jobs for retirees (specialist officers), in the end, control over them (who should). And DOSAAF will not be allowed to rust - competition.
  9. Samara_63
    Samara_63 3 March 2018 07: 47
    0
    There are no PMCs in the world ...
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 3 March 2018 17: 43
      +3
      Quote: Samara_63
      There are no PMCs in the world ...

      I agree. And Putin is not there either. I have never seen. laughing
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 March 2018 07: 53
    +4
    The ideal site is the special forces brigades. Dossaf let him jump, engage in auto-training and the like. Leaves green youth. Private driving schools for real men get into the furnace! The conscript receives free auto-training, but his rights are legalized only after serving in the army. This will attract young people to the army. who is suitable, but does not go to serve, then let him pay for his rights in a 10-fold amount. How do you like this scheme?
    1. insular
      insular 5 March 2018 07: 45
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      And those who are fit, but do not go to serve, let them pay a 10-fold amount for their rights. How do you like this scheme?
      good
      Great circuit!
      But it is vital to expand and complement:
      1. Selling forks only to those who have the test on fire training, the rest only spoons!
      2. Sell mobile phones only to those who have passed the TSS tests in the communications division, the rest are 10 times more expensive!
      3. Toilet paper only for line cartographers! The rest generally prohibit the release of these strategic means. For no money!
  11. Retired2012
    Retired2012 3 March 2018 07: 58
    +3
    Quote: bald
    jobs for retirees (specialist officers), in

    I’m not a specialty ..... I’ll not be called a specialist .... But I won’t fight for other people's ideas ..... Yes, military pensions are not enough, but the pension is FOR ME, not for family, children ......
  12. alkor
    alkor 3 March 2018 08: 01
    +4
    Does this comrade know for sure that his organization is non-governmental? Let the Charter open or read a sign at his entrance. In fact, the preparation of PMCs, do not tell my slippers. In DOSAAFs, the last small things and emasculated weapons are massively seized, as there is no money to maintain the room and receive certificates for anything and everything. Previously, steel bullets themselves were cooked, now you need to present a certificate for it, but where to get it. But if you find 600 thousand ... DOSAAF is saved only by a few military specialties, such as a driver, a diesel engineer, a radio, where are PMCs, no bases, no specialists ... A PMC base, as the special forces brigade or anti-terror center rightly noted here.
  13. cedar
    cedar 3 March 2018 08: 11
    +3
    Normal move. Multilevel organization. The initial level is the training of draftees. Ultimate - preparation of PMCs. Good cover. Good collateral and finances are not weak. The legislative framework. What else is needed to never fight on our territory again and for every potential aggressor to know that if we start a war with us, we’ll have it at home and immediately ...
  14. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 3 March 2018 08: 18
    +1
    at the end of our report, a conclusion was made by the Chief of the General Staff, the Minister of Defense
    So by whom was the conclusion made? And where does Staskoy take such mushrooms?
    According to sabzh (not even being a professional) - DOSAAF is cars, radio equipment, paratroopers (not to be confused with paratroopers), but ... Not cool guys, ready to fire and water. And with minimal losses.
  15. Altona
    Altona 3 March 2018 08: 29
    0
    Quote: Alex-a832
    If I created my PMC, then I would give up DOSAAF resources.

    ---------------------------
    DOSAAF, as an organization related to military education, sees its rebirth in the training of PMC specialists, and above all, a large financial base. Only business, nothing personal. You can’t get far at a driver’s training alone, and if you crush your elementary military education, another financial stream will be launched.
  16. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 08: 29
    +4
    We have the whole of Chechnya .. PMC! And in Syria they do a good job ... Let them work it out!
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 3 March 2018 09: 56
    +1
    Quote: Alex-a832
    Self-promotion. Although very doubtful. If I created my PMC, then I would give up DOSAAF resources.

    yes Everything is much simpler - the character indicated above in the article wanted to participate in ... "development" of state money ... sad
  18. Nikolai Passerby
    Nikolai Passerby 3 March 2018 12: 05
    +2
    I want the DOSAAF leadership to stick to the budget feeder ... That's all.
  19. axxmanm
    axxmanm 3 March 2018 13: 43
    +1
    The very idea of ​​PMCs is an attempt to hide military violence from the control of society, which is completely unacceptable.
    On the contrary - it is strictly necessary to prohibit PMCs in any form,
    and announce to the whole world that any member of PMCs (essentially a mercenary) of any country,
    and even more so, the organizer and the beneficiary become a war criminal in fact and are subject to the most severe inevitable punishment without statute of limitations ..
  20. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 3 March 2018 17: 40
    0
    About 10 years ago, almost before my eyes, bureaucrats with general epaulettes pulled and sold DOSAAF. How much equipment, property, land and buildings were sold, is incomprehensible to the mind. And no one was punished.