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Europe will increase gas supplies to Ukraine ... and the price too

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The management of the Ukrainian Naftogaz conducted emergency negotiations with European companies engaged in the resale of energy carriers. The main topic for negotiations is an urgent increase in the volume of gas supplies to Ukraine from the territory of the European Union.


The commercial director of Naftogaz, Yuri Vitrenko, confirmed the information that the Russian company Gazprom had cut off contacts with Kiev. At the same time, Vitrenko said that Gazprom was “guilty of the resulting shortage of gas in the gas transportation system of Ukraine, which transits gas to Europe.”

Vitrenko said that Naftogaz was able to agree on increasing the supply of "blue fuel" from Europe to Ukraine by about 5 times. Vitrenko:
It will be even more than what we bought from Russia.


Europe will increase gas supplies to Ukraine ... and the price too


Taking this opportunity, the European "partners" of Ukraine inflated gas prices for Kiev by more than 14%.

According to the commercial director of the Ukrainian company, Ukraine "had to reduce its own gas consumption, proving that the country is a reliable transit country." At the same time, Vitrenko could not explain why the Ukrainian authorities called the population for total energy savings if they had previously stated that “so much gas was accumulated in the underground storage facilities of Ukraine that it was more than enough to provide transit and to meet domestic needs”.

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko even stated that Gazprom had no right to terminate contracts with the Ukrainian Naftogaz, and immediately added that Ukraine would go to court for "additional compensation."

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government announced that Gazprom’s refusal to supply gas to Ukraine “would not cause damage to the Ukrainian economy.”
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  1. Vard
    Vard 3 March 2018 04: 44
    +26
    And what do you want ... Freedom ... She is conquering for nothing ...
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 05: 39
      +11
      In dreams, they will present it this way and put it this way. Everything is as in life.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 3 March 2018 06: 15
        +4
        And what about transit not a word?
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 3 March 2018 06: 40
          +6
          According to the commercial director of the Ukrainian company, Ukraine "had to reduce its own gas consumption, proving that the country is a reliable transit country." only where and what transits is not clear request
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 3 March 2018 12: 03
            +1
            What strange things are you writing here? the same as it always transits from there to the same place where it always tarsitized
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 3 March 2018 06: 38
      +27
      It was just that Svidomo’s dream came true that they did not need Russian gas, that the EU and America would help them. Of course they will help ... at a favorable price for them.
      Au svidomye, how much is "free cheese" from Western benefactors? Well, Washington will help you, as they say ...
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 07: 31
        +13
        HALYAVA ends ... In Russia, patience burst "brothers-sticking"!
        Now they have no gas, no coal, no Donbass, no Crimea .. Soon there will be no Kiev!
        One sad song "You are the mane pidmanula .." from the farms will be heard .. laughing
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 3 March 2018 08: 13
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Freebie ends.

          The Ukrainian oil and gas company Naftogaz on its Facebook called on Ukrainians to reduce the temperature in their homes by several degrees. This will reduce the need "for gas by 8–9%, and this will be enough to prevent Russian blackmail".

          The company recalled that on March 1, Gazprom “changed its mind” in 15 minutes from the start of gas supplies to Ukraine. In addition, the Russian monopolist, according to Naftogaz, reduced gas pressure in the pipe by 20%. This is connected with the upcoming elections in Russia at Naftogaz.

          “The goal is to fulfill the dream: either“ Ukraine is frozen ”, or“ Ukraine is an unreliable transit country and takes gas. ” That would be very appropriate two weeks before the election, you yourself know who. Even brandishing nuclear weapons does not help interest Russians in coming to the irremovable election, so some kind of quick “victory” is needed, Naftogaz suggested.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 08: 21
            +5
            Quote: RUSS
            That would be very appropriate two weeks before the election, you yourself know who. Even brandishing nuclear weapons does not help interest Russians in coming to the irremovable election, so some kind of quick “victory” is needed

            Maybe so .. But after the elections, I think Russia's policy will tighten, people are tired and Putin understands this very well, but he needs support and it WILL BE again!
            1. ul_vitalii
              ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 08: 58
              +5
              They would have ordered the government, as on a chessboard in Chapaya.
              1. Vitaly Anisimov
                Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 10: 20
                +3
                Quote: ul_vitalii
                They would have ordered the government, as on a chessboard in Chapaya.

                In the government, "wedding generals sit," led by Medvedev ... laughing

                But other people work and they should not shine .. Here are such things!
      2. major147
        major147 3 March 2018 09: 42
        +3
        Where there is "cheap Pennsylvania" coal, there is "cheap Pennsylvania" gas from Poland.
      3. mig29mks
        mig29mks 3 March 2018 12: 04
        0
        And Svidomotiks have tummies that hurt, they lie and cry .... Well, why doesn’t he eat the good uncle Sam, the good uncle Sam doesn’t bring us gas)))
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 3 March 2018 09: 37
      +1
      You can already hang the EU flag on every boiler room and on every pot in a daycare center
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        You can already hang the EU flag on every boiler room and on every pot in a daycare center

        Already possible .. Ukraine ce geyropa ..! In short, they deceived themselves and now they blame Russia for everything! he he
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 3 March 2018 04: 46
    +32
    Europe will increase gas supplies to Ukraine ... and the price too

    Yesterday, on our forum, some people were very worried about people and frustrated EUROPE ... as we see it is not worth worrying ...
    people will receive gas (via Europe from RUSSIA) and Europe will not be left in the loser. smile
    They teach ... they teach suckers ... and they all jump and jump ... heh heh gas released.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 March 2018 06: 17
      +11
      Survived?! Even apocalyptic pictures painted about frozen babies and old people .. Someone.
      Quote: The same Lech
      Europe will increase gas supplies to Ukraine ... and the price too

      Yesterday, on our forum, some people were very worried about people and frustrated EUROPE ... as we see it is not worth worrying ...
      people will receive gas (via Europe from RUSSIA) and Europe will not be left in the loser. smile
      They teach ... they teach suckers ... and they all jump and jump ... heh heh gas released.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 06: 21
        +9
        Greetings Dmitry hi banned him, went into the peddling, you can’t do that.
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 3 March 2018 06: 43
          +12
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          banned him, went into the peddling, you can’t do that.

          it used to be better
          1. ML-334
            ML-334 3 March 2018 08: 20
            +2
            And I remember standing at school, and nothing.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 3 March 2018 12: 11
              +2
              It was very disappointing: they put me in the corner of the classroom in the first or second for nothing, and then my grandmother, who came to pick me up from school, was informed about this from the doorway.

              But in fact - the question here is subtle. It’s impossible to simply wipe oneself and shut up after that decision from Stockholm. Verbal interventions cannot be dispensed with either, their Western partners are successfully ignoring it. Something needs to be done, but if, for example, we fasten transit through Ukraine, then by ourselves it can come back to haunt. There also SP-2 has not been put into operation, nor the Turkish stream for the South Europeans. There is still a struggle for them ...
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 3 March 2018 14: 05
                0
                the struggle for the gas market in Europe goes half through China The Power of Siberia
                --- and the next one will be
                SHOULD NAME:

                "NORTHERN DEER" FOR 50 BILLION GAS CUBE \ YEAR
                toda oh.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 3 March 2018 14: 12
                  +1
                  via China the Power of Siberia

                  And what does the power of Siberia mean? The power of Siberia goes to China from other fields. Now, if there will be this one, as you said, "Northern Deer," then yes.

                  But firstly, China is definitely not an assistant to us in the struggle for the European market, these guys are on their minds.
                  Secondly, this European market is now the most money market in the world, China. It seems to me that it will never buy fuel at the price at which Europeans buy it.

                  In general, losing it is stupid, but also to cooperate “on their terms” is becoming increasingly difficult.
                  1. Serg koma
                    Serg koma 3 March 2018 16: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: alexmach
                    China, it seems to me, will never buy fuel at the price at which Europeans buy it.

                    Here would be to learn this mysterious price "for China" ....
                  2. serega61
                    serega61 4 March 2018 22: 34
                    0
                    So Europeans buy the same gas at different prices.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 5 March 2018 10: 37
                      0
                      so that’s the point. There are many of them, with each his own agreement, each pulls a blanket over himself, they somehow try to unite there, but in fact they don’t really see see SP-2. China is alone. I bet that there will be no country in Europe for which gas will cost less than China.
          2. cats
            cats 3 March 2018 10: 31
            +3
            I still remember the taste of lime from my first stove in kindergarten. laughing
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 3 March 2018 14: 08
              0
              I even tried to chew the tar - it tastes good and viscously remains on my teeth
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 3 March 2018 10: 28
          0
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          banned him, went into the peddling, you can’t do that.

          The transfer would be forwarded to him .. (a pack of tea, cigarettes and a small amount ..))) It's sad and cold there, I know by myself .. wink (for two years he got into trouble until he wrote opera admins ..)))
  3. svp67
    svp67 3 March 2018 04: 51
    +6
    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko even stated that Gazprom had no right to terminate contracts with the Ukrainian Naftogaz, and immediately added that Ukraine would go to court for "additional compensation."
    Well, they didn’t break it, but began work in this direction. Let's wait a little and everything will fall into place. So how to break the contract when 10 months are left until its completion, it is somehow strange. But apparently, otherwise Gazprom does not see an opportunity to eliminate the problems that have arisen.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 3 March 2018 04: 54
      +14
      It all looks strange from the side ... what
      Poroshenko declared RUSSIA an aggressor country and is striving with all his might to keep gas supplies and transit from this aggressor ...
      some kind of strange aggressor. smile
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 05: 03
        +8
        Theater of one mediocre actor. So the audience will come or not come. They clap, then no, he also pays extra for tickets for the audience. request
      2. svp67
        svp67 3 March 2018 05: 06
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Poroshenko declared RUSSIA an aggressor country and is striving with all his might to keep gas supplies and transit from this aggressor ...

        Why is there gas, Poroshenko does not want to close his business in Russia, and he is not limited only to the Roshen factory, he is much more extensive.
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 05: 55
          +8
          Unscrupulousness is at the forefront. hi
        2. pjastolov
          pjastolov 3 March 2018 06: 46
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Why is there gas, Poroshenko does not want to close his business in Russia, and he is not limited only to the Roshen factory, he is much more extensive.

          the same business, Waltzman cannot resist
      3. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 3 March 2018 05: 14
        +8
        They used to suck the pipe, and then suddenly a vacuum. Aggression of Russia, well, what else could it be? Insolence is simply amazing.
      4. karish
        karish 3 March 2018 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        It all looks strange from the side ... what
        Poroshenko declared RUSSIA an aggressor country and is striving with all his might to keep gas supplies and transit from this aggressor ...
        some kind of strange aggressor. smile

        Well, actually, to be honest - it wasn’t a tiac.
        Since 2015, Ukraine has not purchased Russian gas at all.
        for 2018 tg Gazprom offered a digestible price (just 15-20% lower than the European one) - therefore, a contract was signed and prepayment was made (by Ukraine).
        Of course (maybe gas contracts are not concluded at all, and as much as I want - I turn so much) on the volumes that should have been received from Gazprom - the volumes of purchases from Europe have been reduced.
        Restoring this one day will not work, but within a week (of course) everything will be resolved.
        Ukraine will continue to buy gas in Europe - as it has done since 2015, it is 15% more expensive than Gazpromovsky - but this is not critical - it is their (Ukraine) old price.
        Gazprom - from the point of view of money, it is unlikely that it will lose anything (in the short term) - but in the long run --- Ukraine will of course sue the same arbitration (an integral part of any international contract) - and it seems to me that Gazprom will lose this court.
        Gazprom’s loss of income - it’s clear that everyone understands that a company that doesn’t obey the court’s decision (to which you note it yourself) and tears up the signed contracts (definitely as revenge for losing the court) - does not look reliable
        - which will lead to an even greater desire of Europeans to diversify supplies of shopping mall to be hostage to Gazprom no one wants.
        Therefore, pipelines are likely to cause additional problems.
        All this will result in Gazprom losses, budget losses, image losses.
        Whether it was worth it - time will tell.
        I personally do not see any Gazprom gain from this, well, of course, except for a week, another scream --- we will freeze them.
        Not frozen since 2014 - not frozen even now.
        1. K.A.S.
          K.A.S. 3 March 2018 09: 46
          +6
          image losses? - the arbitration court has revised the terms of the contract, that is, roughly speaking, this leads to a review of all agreements and pricing in hindsight. and Gazprom should immediately become very, very much! and the court’s motivation is simple: problems in the Ukrainian economy! Sorry, but the problems of the Ukrainian economy are least interested in Gazprom, which should make a profit! have a contract! The court decision is an attempt to force Gazprom to sponsor the Ukrainian economy! because Europe and the United States will not give money!
          And the court will have more image loss: since now everyone has seen. that the court doesn’t give a damn about agreements and contracts and it’s a manual dog of overseas owners!
          about the freezing of the population, they will warm themselves with dung, gas is needed by industry and expensive gas is the end of the industry!
          Europeans are attached to gas not because they love and pity the Russian Federation, but simply for their industry to work and Europe not become a US colony, they need cheap gas for industry. And judging by the reactions of Europe, Ukraine has already sickened them!
          Well, if you love Ukraine so much, why shouldn't Israel help it and pay its debts and simply not buy enough gas from bad Russia?
          The gain from Gazprom is simple, it should not work for free when there is a 25th war between Ukraine and Russia. moreover, all Ukrainians know that Ukraine does not use Rosgaz
        2. svp67
          svp67 3 March 2018 12: 00
          +1
          Quote: karish
          for 2018 tg Gazprom offered a digestible price (just 15-20% lower than the European one) - therefore, a contract was signed and prepayment was made (by Ukraine).

          Not exactly. The price was not offered by Gazprom, but it was a decision of the arbitration on an EARLY concluded contract; the new contract was NOT SIGNED. As there was no additional agreement on the old. This is what Gazprom is now leaning on.
          Quote: karish
          Restoring this one day will not work, but within a week (of course) everything will be resolved.

          This is under the condition that Europe will have free gas volumes, for which this week we can’t count on for sure.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 3 March 2018 10: 46
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Well, they didn’t break it, but began work in this direction. Let's wait a little and everything will fall into place. So how to break the contract when 10 months are left until its completion, it is somehow strange. But apparently, otherwise Gazprom does not see an opportunity to eliminate the problems that have arisen.

      In this case, we will reckon that Gazprom’s recent actions are not emotional "actions", but a clearly verified and legally justified action plan. hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 March 2018 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: kapitan92
        we will count

        What remains
  4. Koronik
    Koronik 3 March 2018 04: 55
    +4
    “Thus, the arbitration decision significantly upset the balance of interests of the parties under these contracts. The arbitrators argued their decision with a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy. We are categorically opposed to solving the economic problems of Ukraine at our expense. In this situation, the continuation of the contracts for Gazprom is economically inexpedient and unprofitable "- well done And Miller, and most importantly during!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 3 March 2018 05: 54
      +4
      Quote: Koronik
      Arbitrators argued their decision with a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy.

      What kind of referees are they?
      The referee argued for the appointment of a penalty by the complete failure of one of the teams. Why, really, the goal itself fell in like a ball bouncing towards you, figuratively speaking. To score on those arbitrators, which, judging by the Message, we will do, the will would be enough. For me, Putin’s key phrase was: “We have everything.” . Is a violinist needed then? No, not needed, its nerds are full.
    2. karish
      karish 3 March 2018 09: 00
      +4
      Quote: Koronik
      “Thus, the arbitration decision significantly upset the balance of interests of the parties under these contracts. The arbitrators argued their decision with a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy. We are categorically opposed to solving the economic problems of Ukraine at our expense. In this situation, the continuation of the contracts for Gazprom is economically inexpedient and unprofitable "- well done And Miller, and most importantly during!

      Who read the court ruling in the original, not Miller’s translation?
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. 3 March 2018 12: 21
        0
        What about the correspondent today and other Ukrosites to Miller?
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 March 2018 04: 55
    +5
    Taking this opportunity, the European "partners" of Ukraine inflated gas prices for Kiev by more than 14%.

    Rich ukrokaklovskie pinocchio! laughing
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 3 March 2018 05: 34
      +7
      Their love is so reciprocal ... Partners damn it. smile
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 March 2018 05: 58
        +4
        ul_vitalii Today, 05:34 ↑
        Their love is so reciprocal ... Partners damn it. smile

        Yes, and I would add to what you said, but the site administrators will not miss, "censor"
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 3 March 2018 06: 48
        +6
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        Partners damn it.

        yes masochists they
    2. behemot
      behemot 3 March 2018 07: 34
      0
      let them pay, onizh tseeuropeytsy, then there are pennies.
  6. andrewkor
    andrewkor 3 March 2018 04: 57
    +2
    I do not understand what kind of fears? The other day, the experts at VO proved to me that everything is OK with gas in \ in Ukraine, that it’s enough for gas in all Europe and that it remains for someone to sell the dead fuel oil, almost to the most non-fallow Guarantor, so I got a wave, I and calmed down. But it was not so clear, Karl!
  7. AlexYa
    AlexYa 3 March 2018 04: 57
    +6
    “We are completely energetically independent,” said Chocolate Peter 28.12.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX. What side does Gazprom feel about the “energy independent” UGS of Ukraine?
    1. cats
      cats 3 March 2018 10: 36
      +3
      Chocolate Peter said, putting things in a suitcase and looking at the globe .. winked
  8. Dormidont
    Dormidont 3 March 2018 04: 58
    +4
    Question to our Middle Eastern partners: will you extend the outskirts?
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 March 2018 05: 54
    0
    Yes, it all happened a little earlier than expected.
    The action of the contracts ended at the end of the 2019 year.
    Interestingly, the SP-2 will now begin to build even earlier?
  10. Star
    Star 3 March 2018 06: 35
    +1
    The freebie is over, as is our patience.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 March 2018 06: 55
    +5
    The situation is ridiculously interesting. Ukraine is suing the "aggressor" in commercial matters, while declaring that it does not use Russian gas. Poroshenko once again knocks himself with a heel in the chest proving independence and at the same time steals gas from Russian transit to Europe. Not for nothing they said
    Ukraine “had to reduce its own gas consumption, proving that the country is a reliable transit country”
  12. behemot
    behemot 3 March 2018 07: 33
    +2
    get on impudent forelock muzzles, trash with parasites, you give us gas and even pay for it!
    Finally, even if you have to give something away, it’s better to give it away once (or rather send it in 3 letters !!!!) and not contain these fascists. Close the borders, expel the guest workers back. Ukrainians (very diplomatically) bring back to Ukraine, you are not welcome here !!!
  13. ejov1976
    ejov1976 3 March 2018 08: 31
    +5
    The reverse remains
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 3 March 2018 08: 46
    0
    A classic of economics ... demand creates supply. Gas will still be Russian, only Gazprom reduces risks, solvent customers buy ... it’s easier for them to fulfill purchase agreements and no one has canceled ... mean, more correct in our case ... stupid pays twice, he is the best buyer .
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 3 March 2018 09: 09
    0
    The laws of the market - demand gives rise to price increases. Companions in the booth will not even blink an eye and strip their vis-à-vis. You must urgently pull a pipe from the USA and then happiness will come true, especially since this idea will have a lot of admirers, though they are as poor as Ukraine.
    1. karish
      karish 3 March 2018 09: 15
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      The laws of the market - demand gives rise to price increases. Companions on a booth do not even blink an eye and strip their counterpart

      You should remember that at that moment when the price from Gazprom for the Ukrainian brothers (notice before the Maidan) reached 435 bucks per 1000 cubic meters, in Europe (for the enemies of the capitalists) it was 235
      You probably didn’t understand one of all this four-year booth. Gazprom tore off the brothers of Ukrainians (I once again recall long before the Maidan) twice as many as the enemies of the bourgeois.
      Ukraine did not buy gas in Europe because of overwork, but because it was stupidly cheaper.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 3 March 2018 09: 31
        +2
        Quote: karish
        You should remember that at that moment when the price from Gazprom for the Ukrainian brothers (notice before the Maidan) reached 435 bucks per 1000 cubic meters, in Europe (for the enemies of the capitalists) it was 235

        I do remember! I also remember that before the famous agreement where Tymoshenko participated, gas was sold to Ukraine $ 185, and it was supplied to the network for $ 400, and fairy tales about what a bad Russia were poured into the ears of the whole Ukraine. The Maidan started long before 2014 , it was systematically prepared.
        This is a word about brothers
        Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Igor Nasalik said that the purchase of Russian gas would directly cost the country $ 45 per cubic meter cheaper than the purchase from European suppliers
        24.08.2016

        And this is to how the brothers "Europeans" do not peel and it is profitable to buy European gas, for example last year. There, out of all imports, only one year passed by plus.
        1. karish
          karish 3 March 2018 09: 55
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          where Tymoshenko participated, gas was sold to Ukraine $ 185, and it was supplied to the network for $ 400,

          Under a contract signed by Tymoshenko in 2014, the gas price reached 435 bucks
          Which network?

          Quote: APASUS
          and tales about how bad Russia were poured into the ears of the resulting margin throughout Ukraine

          decrypt please.
          Quote: APASUS
          .Ved Maidan began long before 2014, it was systematically prepared.

          Long time laughing
          And who cooked? From what year?
          Who got the margin?
          Quote: APASUS
          This is a word about brothers

          Speaking of brothers - look at the film Crimean Way Home - where it was clear in white that the measures to return Crimea began long before the known events.

          Quote: APASUS
          And this is to how the brothers "Europeans" do not peel and it is profitable to buy European gas, for example last year. There, out of all imports, only one year passed by plus.

          More profitable than Gazprom sold is a fact; it’s useless to dispute it.
          Gazprom began to reduce the price for Ukraine only after it abandoned Gazprom gas in general, despite the screams - you type signed a contract - and at least die.
          Remember the result - Tymoshenko went to jail for this (and rightly), Ukraine sued, and as you saw after 4 years of proceedings, you won in general (that is, one court lost - one won) but in total in the black.
          Gazprom began to reduce the price for Ukraine, notice much lower than 435 bucks.
          suddenly he managed (Gazprom) to offer a cheaper price than the European one.
          And about the rip off - not all rip off, some just sheared.
          You know the old proverb - a sheep can be sheared for a very long time, but the skin is torn off only once.
          Gazprom wanted to tear the skin.
          1. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 3 March 2018 10: 20
            +1
            According to the contract signed by Tymoshenko, the gas price was calculated using the formula linked to oil, at the time of signing, oil was twice as expensive, therefore the gas price was twice as expensive then ... Arithmetic is simple ...
            1. karish
              karish 3 March 2018 17: 12
              0
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              According to the contract signed by Tymoshenko, the gas price was calculated using the formula linked to oil, at the time of signing, oil was twice as expensive, therefore the gas price was twice as expensive then ... Arithmetic is simple ...

              not just shopping malls, the same time gas for Europe was 2 times cheaper.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 3 March 2018 11: 49
            0
            Quote: karish
            Which network?

            To the network for the consumer, the people, if you like
            .
            Quote: karish
            decrypt please.

            And what to decipher then? Remember the orange revolution, remember when Bandera became a Hero of Ukraine
            .
            Quote: karish
            Long time
            And who cooked? From what year?
            Who got the margin?

            You are not in the know, or are you trying to mow under .................?
            The US State Department confirmed that Washington allocated money to Kiev "to support the desire of the people of Ukraine for a stronger, democratic government"

            Quote: karish
            Speaking of brothers - look at the film Crimean Way Home - where it was clear in white that the measures to return Crimea began long before the known events.

            What a shitty General Staff that does not plan operations. Do you need to list how many Americans had plans for nuclear destruction of the USSR?
            And one more thing, the Americans were going to take this place and it was more a reaction in response. I already laid out tenders for the repair of schools in Sevastopol under the headquarters of the US Navy, look, if not laziness in history.
            Quote: karish
            More profitable than Gazprom sold is a fact; it’s useless to dispute it.
            Gazprom began to reduce the price for Ukraine only after it abandoned Gazprom gas in general, despite the screams - you type signed a contract - and at least die.

            Where are the firewood from?
            Tell me how many pipelines go from the EU to Ukraine? I know only 2 and that’s just penny opportunities, only for Lviv region. Well, what are you children like?
            That famous reverse is the transfer of pieces of paper on the table, and Russian gas is taken in place from the export gas pipeline. There is no gas from Europe, it’s time to understand.
          3. antivirus
            antivirus 3 March 2018 14: 16
            0
            Gazprom wanted to tear the skin.

            -not Gazprom and the Kremlin. A support point to influence the Balkans is needed
            to revive the watered influence in the Balkans. against the EU and the United States, and Israel, and Turkey. another "iron" -tariff curtain
            but when it’s beneficial not to the Kremlin, but to partners. those will justify all the twists.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 3 March 2018 15: 05
              0
              Quote: antivirus
              Gazprom wanted to tear the skin.
              not Gazprom and the Kremlin.

              If so, tell me how now to peel the skin from the one who wanted to peel the skin ?! I think in this case, even a piece of wool does not tear off .... laughing
              Quote: antivirus
              fulcrum needed to influence the Balkans needed
              to revive the watered influence in the Balkans. against the EU and the United States, and Israel, and Turkey. another "iron" -tariff curtain
              There are no alternatives to our cheap gas and volumes in the European direction .... yes
              Quote: antivirus
              but when it’s beneficial not to the Kremlin, but to partners. those will justify all the twists.
              What happened in the Stockholm court, in the court decision tied the Ukrainian economy, they want a dispute between companies, not states .... negative They just decided to move the arrows to Gazprom or indirectly to the Kremlin .... hi
      2. cats
        cats 3 March 2018 10: 40
        +7
        Oh .. the Jews came to their senses ..
        Rewritten manuals? Under the new world realities .. lol
      3. XXXIII
        XXXIII 3 March 2018 15: 18
        0
        Quote: karish
        Quote: APASUS
        The laws of the market - demand gives rise to price increases. Companions on a booth do not even blink an eye and strip their counterpart

        You should remember that at that moment when the price from Gazprom for the Ukrainian brothers (notice before the Maidan) reached 435 bucks per 1000 cubic meters, in Europe (for the enemies of the capitalists) it was 235
        You probably didn’t understand one of all this four-year booth. Gazprom tore off the brothers of Ukrainians (I once again recall long before the Maidan) twice as many as the enemies of the bourgeois.
        Ukraine did not buy gas in Europe because of overwork, but because it was stupidly cheaper.

        Brother Jew, why are you not talking so clean, they are rich, they received a discount of $ 100 from 1000 cubic meters of walrus from Gazprom. So this turned out to be not enough that they began to take European gas, and then they refused to pay for their gas at all .... oh, he will punish you saint for lying ..... tongue
  16. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 3 March 2018 09: 27
    0
    Petro Poroshenko even said that Gazprom had no right to break contracts with Ukrainian Naftogaz

    I’m wondering: does anyone care what exactly Poroshenko said there?
    Rejoice at the free market, rejoice at the increase in gas prices, rejoice at freedom from evil moO skalyug, rejoice in general ... There is a reason! laughing
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 3 March 2018 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      Petro Poroshenko even said that Gazprom had no right to break contracts with Ukrainian Naftogaz

      I’m wondering: does anyone care what exactly Poroshenko said there?
      Rejoice at the free market, rejoice at the increase in gas prices, rejoice at freedom from evil moO skalyug, rejoice in general ... There is a reason! laughing

      They used to say, the brothers thrust a knife in the back, they do not like us, and then it turned out that they simply scattered the rake everywhere and robbed all the brothers themselves .... laughing
  17. XXXIII
    XXXIII 3 March 2018 09: 28
    +1
    At the same time, Vitrenko could not explain why the Ukrainian authorities urged the population to total energy savings if they previously claimed that “so much gas was accumulated in the underground storage facilities of Ukraine that it was more than enough to provide transit and to satisfy domestic needs.

    And they called for savings because they stole gas, they write that Gazprom has reduced the pressure, yeah, this gas has become less than the one intended for pumping. They stole a European gas pillow for pumping, ha, now they will blackmail Europe and blame the mythical aggressor for everything. In general, the end has come to the transit countries, the decision was apparently made in silence, since Europe is silent on the actions of Gazprom, and Gazprom sent Europe to the Ukrainian daughter in deep ..... check the state of gas reserves ....laughingha ha ha .....
  18. Altona
    Altona 3 March 2018 09: 36
    +4


    GDP joined the all-Sumerian action # Screw
  19. dgonni
    dgonni 3 March 2018 09: 45
    +1
    A price increase of 14% compared with previously contracted volumes is explained by the urgency of the transaction and by no means the greed of the West. About the gas in storage. For those who did not understand, the gas in the storages was purchased by the west for their beloved to provide for themselves in the winter. Therefore, Ukraine cannot take the ottel, because he is a stranger. Mille o Ko decided to lower the inlet pressure precisely so that Naftogaz did not get into its garden. However, the trick failed and a bleating was heard that we were misunderstood. We supposedly do not break the contract, but we will file a claim in Stockholm back about breaking the contract.
    1. cats
      cats 3 March 2018 10: 46
      +6
      Tell me, would John put Mr. Miller in the trash can?
      Persists as stubborn as Jews will be scoffed, and then they prove that it was so necessary, and in the pants something useful lies ...
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 3 March 2018 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: dgonni
      . Therefore, Ukraine cannot take the ottel, because he is a stranger.

      Who you are telling cannot take someone else’s, how many times it has already been that they have stolen and have not admitted. Now this is a generally convenient situation, war, aggressor, we are not stealing. Europe from scratch politicized the lawsuit so that Gazprom-RF paid for its own gas in the pipe, nothing will come of it, this is capitalism. And in general, why does Ukraine need aggressor gas? After all, it abandoned it and switched to European ..... laughing

      In 2016, the use of natural gas in Ukraine compared to 2015 decreased by 0,6 billion cubic meters: from 33,8 to 33,2 billion cubic meters, that is, by 2%. This is evidenced by the main indicators of the gas market of Ukraine, published by NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine.

      Well, where do you think the gas should be enough and even stay on European values ​​.... yes
      Naftogaz predicts that the consumption of natural gas in 2017 will be the same as the expected indicator of this year - 32-32,1 billion cubic meters. m. These volumes will provide, among other things, by increasing domestic production. Read more here: https://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/naftogaz-planiruet-sokra
      tit-import-gaza-v-2017-godu-689932.html

      Now there are already less than 10 billion cubic meters. m, in Ukraine, frosts only in February were and are continuing, the rest of the months there was European weather. Everything is simple here, the frosts that came, revealed the theft, which they are now trying to quickly disguise, because the "reputation" of the current government has been put on the gaming table in Europe. If they learn about theft, they will not see loans and financial assistance too, the aggressor will not help either, checkmate .... tongue laughing
  20. Altona
    Altona 3 March 2018 10: 27
    +3
    Quote: karish
    You probably didn’t understand one of all this four-year booth. Gazprom tore off the brothers of Ukrainians (I once again recall long before the Maidan) twice as many as the enemies of the bourgeois.

    ------------------------
    In the 1990s, gas was sold to Ukraine "by the write" so what? Kuchma wrote the book "Ukraine is not Russia." You want to say that the price of gas warms "fraternal feelings"? In my opinion, Sumerian pride does not depend on gas prices.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 3 March 2018 14: 24
      0
      I didn’t understand why the Russian Federation didn’t raise the price to the world level in 90gg and would have set off faster on a union of property and the Black Sea Fleet and the Bol were signed on our terms (?).
      apparently not everything was unequivocal and is now not linear? black White
  21. Altona
    Altona 3 March 2018 10: 28
    0
    Quote: dgonni
    For those who did not understand, the gas in the storages was purchased by the west for their beloved to provide for themselves in the winter. Therefore, Ukraine cannot take the ottel,

    ---------------------------
    I used to take it, but now I can’t? Are the Sumerians? lol laughing
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 3 March 2018 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: dgonni
      For those who did not understand, the gas in the storages was purchased by the west for their beloved to provide for themselves in the winter. Therefore, Ukraine cannot take the ottel,

      ---------------------------
      I used to take it, but now I can’t? Are the Sumerians? lol laughing




      Has anyone ever filed a lawsuit against Ukraine for “theft” of gas? ... who when in what court? ... or is it just nonsense yet another without any facts?
  22. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 3 March 2018 10: 51
    +1
    It’s good that the junta declares that Gazprom’s refusal to transit through Banderstat will not harm the Ukrainian economy ... Selling only through flows and only bypassing Ukraine is enough to feed Bandera’s power, moreover, European "partners" also make us debtors. ..
    Everything will be enough money in advance, in the evening money - in the morning gas, in the morning money - in the evening gas ... Buy now in Germany at spot prices + delivery to Banderstat is almost + $ 30 per thousand cubic meters ...
  23. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 3 March 2018 11: 01
    +1
    Guys Ukrainians, this is too much!
    Finally, it happened, you stopped supplying Russian acupuncture gas!
    In addition, your chatterbox Parashenka has long and with great fanfare declared independence achieved from Russian gas.
    Enjoy it!
  24. Bypassed
    Bypassed 3 March 2018 11: 30
    +2
    Too shy to ask for the so-called "reverse".
    Did the construction of the Ukrainian gas transportation system make it possible to reverse?
    How this is done purely technically - first the pressure in the pipe must be reset to zero, then create a pressure drop in the opposite direction. And after the end of the reverse - is everything back? What about technological losses? So this is a fictitious reverse - the current according to the documents - will be taken directly from the pipe from the volumes of those countries with which they concluded an agreement. But the current in this case, the pressure in the pipe should still fall.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 3 March 2018 15: 33
      0
      Quote: bypassed
      Too shy to ask for the so-called "reverse".
      Did the construction of the Ukrainian gas transportation system make it possible to reverse?
      How this is done purely technically - first the pressure in the pipe must be reset to zero, then create a pressure drop in the opposite direction. And after the end of the reverse - is everything back? What about technological losses? So this is a fictitious reverse - the current according to the documents - will be taken directly from the pipe from the volumes of those countries with which they concluded an agreement. But the current in this case, the pressure in the pipe should still fall.

      Yes, the reverse in the pipe, while coming up with blame for Gazprom that he lowered the pressure. In fact, they hide the theft of gas or try to deceive Gazprom, for the expense of increasing pressure, which will add excess gas in the pipe .... laughing
  25. Lexeus
    Lexeus 3 March 2018 11: 34
    +2
    The more twitch, the tighter the noose)
  26. vlad007
    vlad007 3 March 2018 12: 16
    0
    Question: Failure to comply with the decision of the Stockholm Arbitration Court may lead to the seizure of Gazprom property abroad?
    1. Alekseits
      Alekseits 3 March 2018 12: 53
      +1
      Explained already. Gazprom abroad does not have its own personal property. Only in joint projects with European companies.
  27. bear
    bear 3 March 2018 14: 11
    +1
    Who is the Stockholm Arbitration? Viceroy of God on earth? The ultimate truth? They all go together and amicably on. IMHO
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  29. Div Divich
    Div Divich 4 March 2018 13: 03
    0
    Sberbank also needs to be withdrawn from Ukraine, why at the expense of Russia to maintain the stability of their banking system?
    They steal everything there, well, okay, if only they would not steal from the inhabitants of Russia.

    The faster the oligarchs rob the population, the faster the population will restore order in Ukraine.
  30. Clumsy
    Clumsy 4 March 2018 13: 42
    0
    ))) Yeah, without a sucker and life is difficult)))