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Crimea and the Union State

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“Why does Belarus, being Russia's closest ally, recognize Crimea as Russian only de facto, but not de jure? Because Belarus, as a sovereign state, has its own relations with Ukraine, and its own integration mission. ” Military-political review

Since the entry of the Crimea into the Russian Federation, an interesting conflict has arisen concerning the exact borders of the so-called “Union State”. As is well known to all, in contrast to Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea and Syria, Belarus continues to officially consider Crimea as part of Ukraine, which creates quite ambiguous legal consequences.

For example, conscripts from the territory of Crimea are already serving in the army of the Russian Federation (which is logical) and, in principle, could get to the well-known West-2017 exercises. But from the point of view of “non-recognition” they are citizens of Ukraine mobilized by force into the Russian army. It is more interesting: it is quite logical that Crimea is included in the general financial system of Russia, and so part of the money that the authorities in Minsk are trying to get as a “help" can have quite Crimean roots. Back zrada ...

Further more. A person with a Crimean registration can fully occupy a high state post in Russia ... so what? How to communicate with the Belarusian authorities, for example? How to treat the official Minsk to Aksenov? Under the conditions of the “closest alliance”, so beloved by Belarusians? And such situations, you know, you can "throw a lot". In general, with strict adherence to this principle, the situation of “Eurovision 2017” is repeated in some way - when the artist who visited the Crimea automatically turned into a “criminal” from the point of view of the Ukrainian “authorities”.

Today it is quite clear that only the working variant on Crimea, which remained with Russia, is its full and final integration. No "other" options are considered. In principle, in the spring of 2014, it was still possible to offer something and negotiate something, but the West chose an exclusively confrontational strategy, so after the ATO and the sanctions, something has to be said (and such options are sometimes attacked) late.

For Russia, it is completely meaningless. And it is here that the “international” position of Belarus in the Crimea creates a very serious obstacle for the relations Minsk-Moscow. And over time, this "obstacle" will only increase. As has already been said, the so-called “international community” could well “bargain” around the Crimea and its recognition, but this had to be done before and instead of sanctions. In their classical style, they want “to eat the cake and have it available”, that is, to impose sanctions and “bargain” about the future of Crimea.

This one historical Mr. Lavrov had in mind the conflict when he stated that the issue with Crimea was closed and would no longer be discussed. Before It was necessary to discuss - in the spring / summer 2014 of the year. Instead, sanctions were imposed - in response to the Crimea. Well, that's all - in the calculation.

So, the global problem of the Belarusian state is the complete absence of government officials / diplomats / analysts at the international level. In Kiev, everything was of course bad, but not so much. But in Minsk it is so much. There are no competent professionals, in principle, able to at least understand the situation and calculate its possible consequences. At least understand.

Do you know this “classic” phrase: “this question should be discussed with a good lawyer”? With diplomacy it is still worse - good diplomats come across much less often than lawyers. More rare profession. So with the Crimea: Lukashenko is just did not understandwhat is happening at all, what happened and what the consequences will be, but there was no one to tell him. And the inclusion of the Crimea in the Russian Federation and the categorical non-recognition of this fact by the “allied Byelorussia” had very serious and very far-reaching consequences.

And the negative will go "incrementally." Moreover, little is already dependent on the actions and decisions of specific people. The return of the Crimea was a kind of Rubicon, and the decision whether or not to cross it was super-fundamental. So, in their time, the Rubicon crossed both Caesar and his entire army ... Mr. Lukashenko, if I will be allowed such an analogy, plays the role of a particularly clever “centurion”, which, from “legal” considerations, decided not to cross Rubicon with "Not" barking "... but this does not mean that he is an enemy of Caesar! Not in the least!

Perhaps I am mistaken, but in 2014 the year after Christ, Belarusians generally decided to stay on the “Tom”, the safe bank and see what the whole adventure would end with ... And the “adventure” went on as usual, striking everyone with unexpected turns of events ... Here are just RB her people and leadership in all these events on the side Russia did not take part. That, of course, had its well-defined results.

Already commonplace was the assertion that Americans in the Crimea were particularly interested in the possibility of "removing" the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol and putting their ships there. And this created giant basing problems for Russia and called into question Syria’s aid / supply of Assad troops. Those. this was the “big politics” and this was very remotely related to Ukraine itself. Gas transit from Russia, the base of the Black Sea Fleet - this is what made Ukraine a “participant” of the Great Game, or rather, its playing field.

In the understanding of the Belarusian “politicians”, “analysts” and “journalists” there is no Big Game, there are no specific selfish interests of the same West, but there is a solid “international law” and there are some “principles and values”. And the logic of events in the Crimea / Donbas is quite simple: Russia “quarreled” with Ukraine. That is, their political level is such that they quite sincerely think (or diligently pretend to believe) of Mr. Poroshenko as an independent politician, legitimate president. all Ukraine.

That is, DNR / LC “automatically” falls under its jurisdiction. Yes, Lukashenko sent "help" to the Donbas, through Mr. Poroshenko sent. By the way, if Poroshenko is considered “equal” by Lukashenko in Minsk (and we know who is “leading” Ukraine), then there can be no talk of any “equal” dialogue between Minsk and Moscow. Purely mathematically impossible. If anything, then in Russia “people equal to Poroshenko by status” are Vovan and Lexus ... And in Belarus, the integral president of Belarus ...

So the very “integration” that was talked about for a long time on the example of the “Union State”, in the case of the Crimea, went surprisingly easily and quickly. That is, if compared with Belarus. Crimea is a part of Russia economically, financially, politically and militarily. Russian combat aircraft without any "negotiations" are transferred to the Crimean airfields, and the Crimean recruits serve in the Russian army. Everything is fair.

The problem with Belarusians is that they also want to use all the advantages of being "inside" Russia, but they absolutely do not want to bear the risks / pull the strap. Common market - yes, uniform energy prices - yes, common labor market - yes! Confrontation with NATO? And we are peaceful people and we don’t want to “bark” with anyone ... In principle, this very “position” has crystallized so clearly and is so understandable to everyone that it is an occasion for numerous jokes.

Lukashenko’s problem lies precisely in this: since the crisis of the 2013 / 2014 winter, Russia has greatly changed. In principle, it has changed since 2000, but at first these events were progressive, the changes slowly accumulated ... And today Russia is a completely different country than 18 years ago. By the way, Ukraine-2000 and Ukraine 2018 are also two very different countries. There, too, changes gradually accumulated, then a breakthrough occurred, only if Russia is at war with ISIS, then Ukraine is just as resolutely killing its own citizens.

But Lukashenko has not changed at all, as well as the foreign policy of Belarus, as well as the awareness of the political realities in this country. Russia -2000 has no special choice, except for “sluggish” integration with Belarus, by definition, but Russia-2018 is a completely different country. That is, Mr. Lukashenko spent the year 22 on a high-quality imitation of the “integration process”, and then in a few years the Crimea “whistling” entered Russia as a region ...



It's funny, isn’t it? And no “integration programs” were required: once - and in queens! But Belarusians have been thinking and thinking for a quarter of a century: is it worth it or not? On the example of the Crimea / Belarus, all the advantages of a single state and all the minuses of some muddy abstruse pseudo schemes are clearly visible.

The “one big country” scheme works: towards the Crimeans (despite all the problems brought in), the attitude is extremely positive: we are one people. But for Belarusians and Belarus for the same time, a completely different attitude was formed, the scheme “one budget - two foreign policies” is not workable even once.

To the question of why different gas prices in the “one union state” can be safely answered that, for example, SG citizens from Russia are actively going to the war in Syria, but the Belarusians are not going anywhere and see this as a particular problem. All questions on gas, finance, living standards are perfectly solved within one States, but to help some muddy "Allied neutrals" wanting a little.

There is a version that a negative attitude towards Muscovites began to take shape in the years of the Second World War, when up to half of Moscow recruits (for obvious, good reasons!) Received a “reservation”. The people, however, did not understand this. That is, the negative began to form even to the Estonians ... namely, the Muscovites. No nationalism. Dear, why don't you go to war? Is this not your war? Clear.

Russian servicemen participated in the conflict on the territory of the SAR, Russian ichthamnets were actively present in the Donbas. Banal facts. And yes, if you don’t like Russian ichthamnets much and you consider their actions “criminal”, then explain “for one toast” what the American troops are doing in Syria. Everything is quite simple and trite both there and there. Well, or need to be neater proclamation...

So, for some reason, unlike the gas issue, no one in Minsk hit himself on the forehead: “We are citizens of the Union State, we should not give up ours!” There wasn’t this, but everyone sincerely “marveled” at the gas price delta: “ But we have one, the Allied (!) State! And the prices are different, mess! "

All the talk about the fact that the Republic of Belarus pursues its “own”, “peace-loving” policy sounds quite frivolous: the Belarusians simply do not have the resources to conduct its politicians, not that scale. The approach is simpler: “I'll get up for military registration, but I won't go to war.”

For Belarus, “trade and economic relations with Ukraine are critically important and the absence of Western sanctions?” Is fine, just fine. And how important are trade and economic relations with Russia and “credit” relations with Belarus for Belarus? Critically or not critically? And if the question is put exactly that way? What if have to (and already have to) choose? About this murky “Union State” Lukashenka already quite officially asked why Belarus is in the Union State with Russia, and not with Ukraine? This is after he sympathized with the "Ukrainian struggle for independence."

No matter how unpleasant it is to talk about it (and this does not correspond to the official position), but in the Donbas Russians and Ukrainians are at war with each other (he said, and he himself became frightened! He already choked). There is such a view on things (not the fact that it is the only correct one). You can talk for a long time about some kind of “junta”, some “bad fascists” and “extremists”, that the Right Sector is gutarit in Russian, but in the Donbas Russians and Ukrainians kill each other.

Normal such inter-ethnic conflict. It can take a long time to turn a blind eye to it, but then it’s absolutely incomprehensible how the devil the Ukrainian army has been fighting for so long. She is not fighting for “oligarchs”, she is fighting against the Russian inhabitants of Ukraine. It is for this that Ukrainians are ready to “nibble the earth.” And interethnic conflicts (for example, Central Asia / Transcaucasia / Yugoslavia) can go on for a very long time, very mercilessly and completely pointless.

With our official “internationalism”, we shy away from this truth, like a nun from pornography, but this does not change the essence of the matter. Although semi-officially the same Peskov said that "he hopes (!) That Donbas militias will not have problems with shells." Such is the "friendship."

"Ukraine should become a full member of the Union State"? Today, about this (when the Ukrainian artillery hits the residential areas of Donbass) only a madman can speak. First of all, the very population of Russia, whose opinion, as usual, is overlooked by many, will be categorically against.

In a strange (unpleasant!) Manner, the Ukrainian “revolution of dignity” wore quite a distinct ethnic character So, once again about the fact that “the people rebelled”: for some reason, everyone who “analyzes” Putin’s aggression, categorically ignores the fact that, first, the “revolution” was carried out with the full and open support of the EU / US ; and secondly, the “revolution” was frankly nationalistic in nature, that is, it reflected the interests of the Ukrainian nationalists.

Is the EU / US for you “the whole world”? Well, these are already your problems ... Here is a clear discrepancy - for some, such an obvious external intervention is unacceptable, for others it is “what the doctor prescribed”. And as a matter of fact, initially these are two absolutely incompatible positions. At the same time, “arguing further” is absolutely pointless. But, in general, logically, if overt intervention from the West is “normal,” then we must be prepared for the same intervention from the East, albeit in a different form.

Further, it should be noted that Ukraine (almost like the USSR) was multinational by the state. And we must admit that the Ukrainians and Russians are two different nations. We don’t have pluses from attempts to play “one people”, only minuses. The recognition (from the very beginning) that the conflict in Donbas is inter-ethnic in nature was, in fact, much more correct politically. In Ukraine, there are Russians, and there are Ukrainians, and, in the wake of Ukrainian propaganda, both recognize some kind of “One Ukraine” and try to talk with “one Ukrainian people” a rather strange thing for us. There is no "single Ukrainian people."

The point here is not in “genetic purity”, but in the psychology completely formed among a certain part of the Ukrainian population, which is categorically hostile to Russia. What is there to “catch” is absolutely incomprehensible. In the coming decades, Russians and Ukrainians will obviously not become “their own”. Therefore, the struggle for "all of Ukraine" on the part of Russia today looks rather strange. On the part of Belarus?

Donetsk and Lugansk are quite obviously Russian regions oriented towards Russia. That's why they are focused on Moscow, because the Russians, and not because the “economy”, which we now love so much to trump. The “frank debilism” of the analysis of Ukraine in Russia is precisely because, for “politically correct” reasons, it only pushes it into the economy, completely ignoring the ethnic factor. So the "economy" is not just a magic wand, it does not solve all problems. Estonia is frankly bankrupt, but does not want to cooperate with any Russia.

Crimea returned to Russia not only because of the politically correct official reason for “fascism in Kiev”, but because the Russian region (and there “at least stones from the sky”). And Crimeans do not have any problems with being inside Russia. Unlike being inside Ukraine. In the end, following the historical logic, Ukraine has become a nationalist state, hostile to ethnic minorities and controlled from abroad.

And just by the example of the Crimea / Donbass in Belarus, there is a movement in opposite directions: if some want exclusively to Russia and do not separate themselves from it, then “smart talk” about a special historical heritage and even “their integration mission” is very popular with others. ".

At the same time, the Republic of Belarus does not have any serious strategic resources or even there status / influence at the level of Poland or especially of Turkey. No matter how offensive it is, integration with Ukraine (which is already completely impossible) gave theoretically There is a lot of Russia, nothing like integration with Belarus can give (the scale of the country is not the same). But the claims and requests from the official Minsk are no less ...

Some kind of emotional affinity for people who, for 25 years of independence never did not support Russia in a difficult situation, also for obvious reasons, is absent. That is, in fact, the so-called "Union State" has become obsolete. For him, there are no more rational ones (Belarus is a country in all respects problematic, but why unite with those who have some problems on the agenda?), Nor emotional (Russian actions in Ukraine / in Syria did not meet with great support from Belarusians) reasons. This fabulous design "did not pass the test of strength" during the Ukrainian conflict, if that. During the Syrian, too, did not pass.

That is, if the official Minsk today still needs something from Russia, then it is necessary to invent something, offer it and go to Moscow to come to an agreement. Pulling out the mummy of the “Union State”, waving it and talking about some “single gas prices” is a sign of frank political lack of culture. While the “integration process” was going on (by leaps and bounds), the political situation in Europe and in the world (dramatically) changed, and all these pathetic attempts turned out to be a complete anachronism, therefore, we must, in principle, overestimate our “allied relations” and act on the basis of current political realities.

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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 6 March 2018 06: 06
    +26
    Because Lukashenko is not a friend of Russia, friends do not behave like that here either you are for us or against. And this one also licks with dill, and then Putin sticks his hand assuring him that he is loyal to Russia. In short, he always tries to slip between eb .......
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 6 March 2018 07: 32
      +10
      The fact that the Belarusian leadership is “NOT A FRIEND” of Russia has long been obvious to all who are able and willing to see. And there are a lot of such people - who understand that from a "friend" you NEED to be afraid of all sorts of nasty things.
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 6 March 2018 09: 54
        +10
        No matter how banal it sounds, but it’s quite logical - only betray FRIENDS, for the enemy can only deceive or outwit, but not betray!
        Old Man, played in the great politician and strategist, hoping for the support of the people. Yes, only the people, he apparently did not ask for a long time.
    2. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 10: 10
      +9
      And you asked Putin what is more profitable for him, the Minsk site or the official Crimea recognition?
      1. Olezhek
        6 March 2018 11: 40
        +6
        Old Man, played in the great politician and strategist,


        Well, sort of ... I’ve played too much ..

        And you asked Putin what is more profitable for him, the Minsk site or the official Crimea recognition?


        And what is "more profitable" to our Western friends?
        And what is this mythical "Minsk playground"?
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 6 March 2018 13: 24
          +2
          "Old European partners and states" are crushing Old Man. hi
      2. andj61
        andj61 6 March 2018 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        And you asked Putin what is more profitable for him, the Minsk site or the official Crimea recognition?

        But is the question only like this: either one or the other? wink
        Is it impossible to implement both this and that? repeat Moreover, the Minsk site itself is not uncontested: for example, Nazarbayev proposed Astana for the same purpose. bully
        Now, thanks to Lukashenko, the Union State is neither a Union State, nor a state, and so - a small cut of Russian money - that's all. And constant help knocking out. And that’s it! The difference with Ukraine is the absence of Russophobia at the official and domestic level. hi
        1. sgw
          sgw 6 March 2018 20: 22
          +3
          And who told you that here - Russophobia is absent ???
    3. belaruski
      belaruski 7 March 2018 12: 34
      +2
      Firstly, the country is called Belarus and not "Belarus". This is written in the UN title documents.
      Secondly. Belarus in 1991 had every right as a sovereign state to follow the path of the Baltic states. To Europe, NATO and the EU. In 1994, the people voted for the pro-Russian communist Lukashenko and Belarus turned to Russia. Rejoice that the NATO bases are not 30 km from Smolensk, but a little further.
      Thirdly. Belarus has its own Foreign Ministry and its president, the country is independent and, in addition to Russia, has neighbors with whom it is building its own policy. At the same time, continuing to carry out defensive functions against NATO countries on the western borders. Permits two Russian bases located on its territory. Belarus recognized neither the independence of South Ossetia nor Abkhazia, nor Crimea. Tk is not a war of Belarusians, they have their own relations with these states and no country has the right to dictate to whom and with whom to be friends.
      Fourth, the situation is complicated by the fact that Lukashenko is essentially the only pro-Russian force in the country. Leave him and immediately come to power an analogue like in Ukraine, the EU NATO And so on. Belarusian youth, ask anyone, sees himself only in Europe, a European country.
      And this is worth considering when criticizing Belarus.
      1. Reklastik
        Reklastik 8 March 2018 21: 56
        +3
        Lukashenko is essentially the only pro-Russian force in the country
        - if this is so, then we must tie it up with Belarus - it will be the same as with Ukraine.
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 9 March 2018 11: 20
        +3
        Permits two Russian bases located on its territory.


        laughing hitch (s)

        Belarusian youth, ask anyone, sees himself only in Europe, a European country.
        And this is worth considering when criticizing Belarus.


        the whole of Belarus is smaller than Moscow in terms of population. Housing such youth can easily be found where. Large spaces beyond the Urals have not been developed.

        Do not think that RB is the queen on the map of geopolitics. This is ridiculous

        You will threaten to join the EU or close the Russian military base to your friends in the Republic of Belarus, drinking Czech beer, if the Russian Federation decides that it is time, they will not ask Lukashenko. And the army integrates into the Russian faster than all your ministries are liquidated

        Of course, champions of European values ​​you may whine that it is perfidious - and keep your old passport under your pillow, but either you will reconcile - or you will go head first - or move to Ukraine - there are ways

        Do you think everyone is happy in Crimea? Thousands have lost and live on. So do not worry

        PS Nothing depends on RB here. If they tolerate your behavior in the Kremlin, then so far it is necessary.

        PPS RB is completely dependent on the Russian Federation and this is an axiom
    4. Deck
      Deck 8 March 2018 09: 15
      0
      And who is your friend of Russia? Vanuatu?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 9 March 2018 19: 32
        0
        Belrusconi and Stephen Seagal laughing

        There can be no friends on the map. These are all stories for young children to explain in fairy tales on their fingers what allied relations are.

        She has friendship in the yard. And then until they both like the same woman laughing competition is everywhere. And you are about friendship between states, yeah
  2. cedar
    cedar 6 March 2018 06: 08
    +10
    The sovereignty of Belarus is even lower than the sovereignty of Russia. Her debts to the West are much greater, hence the enslaving dependence of her economy and politics. Corresponding to this situation is the dual policy of Lukashenko. Does this mean that the union state, as the author writes, has outlived itself and is not profitable for us.
    A good and unambiguous answer to the author and to the fans is strategic Belarusian-Russian exercises "West-2017".
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 6 March 2018 07: 17
      +12
      I think, if anything, the Belarusian partisans will be NATO troops with tanks to derail. With dad or without .....
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 6 March 2018 07: 36
        +11
        Very, very doubtful! Will there be partisans? Whose trains will they derail?
        This ally can no longer be trusted! Categorically!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 6 March 2018 07: 44
          +6
          I will leave your comment UNTIL no answer hi
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 09: 41
          +29
          And you do not decide for the people whom (judging by the words) do not know. No need to measure the leadership of Belarus and its population with one arshin. negative Most of our people do not separate Belarus from Russia, I do not consider stubborn and paid Natsik and Opps.
          1. SK70
            SK70 6 March 2018 09: 58
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            And you do not decide for the people whom (judging by the words) do not know. No need to measure the leadership of Belarus and its population with one arshin. negative Most of our people do not separate Belarus from Russia, I do not consider stubborn and paid Natsik and Opps.

            Is it not so in Ukraine?
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 10: 01
              +17
              No need to compare Ukraine and Belarus. Unlike Ukraine, we do not have ardent anti-Russian propaganda. Anyway, the meaning of such articles is to drive a wedge between Russia and Belarus.
              1. SK70
                SK70 6 March 2018 10: 23
                +11
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                No need to compare Ukraine and Belarus. Unlike Ukraine, we do not have ardent anti-Russian propaganda. Anyway, the meaning of such articles is to drive a wedge between Russia and Belarus.

                Good day to start.
                Propaganda is the same in Russia and Ukraine. Turn on the zombie.
                I agree about the wedge.
                But residents of Ukraine and LDNR together build the Sevastopol TPP and live in the same hotel.
                If you remove politicians, people will agree for a couple of years.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 10: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: SK70
                  Good day to start.

                  Mutually. hi
                  Quote: SK70
                  If you remove the politicians, then people will agree

                  Undoubtedly!
                2. Olezhek
                  6 March 2018 12: 28
                  +2
                  But residents of Ukraine and LDNR together build the Sevastopol TPP and live in the same hotel.


                  And the Ukrainians have nowhere to go stupidly. But in principle - in vain they are so freely allowed, for good reason.

                  If you remove politicians, people will agree for a couple of years.


                  And where do politicians come from ??? belay
                  1. SK70
                    SK70 6 March 2018 13: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    And the Ukrainians have nowhere to go stupidly. But in principle - in vain they are so freely allowed, for good reason.

                    And in Sevastopol now there is only one.
                    The Caucasus climbed, Uzbeks, Ukrainians. And in Donetsk and Lugansk how many dachas illegally live.
                    1. Olezhek
                      6 March 2018 17: 28
                      +2
                      And in Sevastopol now there is only one.
                      The Caucasus climbed, Uzbeks, Ukrainians. And how many Donetsk and Lugansk dachas illegally live


                      How would the base of the Navy ...
                      and a kind of "special period"
                      We must remember the precepts of L.P. Beria am
                      1. SK70
                        SK70 6 March 2018 19: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Olezhek
                        And in Sevastopol now there is only one.
                        The Caucasus climbed, Uzbeks, Ukrainians. And how many Donetsk and Lugansk dachas illegally live


                        How would the base of the Navy ...
                        and a kind of "special period"
                        We must remember the precepts of L.P. Beria am

                        Not the right time. Now, “Allahu Akbar” can be heard on the parade ground.
                3. Provincial_71
                  Provincial_71 7 March 2018 00: 38
                  +4
                  And I do not agree about the wedge. Such articles, in my opinion, lead to the idea that it is time for White Russia to merge into Russia. Like the Crimea. So far, thanks to the efforts of the "ilichki" and the "partners", cookies have not happened with the cookies, which will divide the peoples on opposite sides, as was done with Ukraine. This will be the wedge.
              2. Victor N
                Victor N 6 March 2018 10: 24
                +8
                And the position of the people of Belarus towards Russia is very slurred. The meaning of such articles is to encourage the manifestation of allied obligations. It is simply amazing that you still have not noticed the wedge that the Union State has already split. I’m afraid that there will also be a split in the people, which is still one in both states.
              3. Olezhek
                6 March 2018 11: 57
                +2
                Do not compare Ukraine and Belarus. Unlike Ukraine, we do not have ardent anti-Russian propaganda. And in general, the meaning of such articles is to drive a wedge between Russia and Belarus


                The author of the article is a regular and grateful reader tut.by and naviny.by
                there is anti-Russian propaganda, there is no pro-Russian
                Just Belarusians somehow got used to the fact that in their press the Kremlin is watered with mud.
              4. sgw
                sgw 6 March 2018 20: 28
                +9
                In Belarus - creeping nationalism and Russophobia. Everything is like on UK-not the beginning of the 90s (I saw it myself and went through it). And propaganda is present (do not dissemble), not in the forehead, but nonetheless. The Russian Federation (in the current state of affairs) is organizing itself Ukraine-2. And then it will be surprised, but how is it? But like this!!! This is your area of ​​influence, so you need to influence and intervene before it is too late and Donbass 2.0 has appeared.
              5. Pilot1980
                Pilot1980 9 March 2018 05: 04
                +2
                Dear, the change of power, the strengthening of propaganda, and through the 2-3 of the year, Ukraine-2 will turn out
                Propaganda should be in any case, the absence of any propaganda begins to produce doubts, rumors, etc. in the population.
                There is propaganda in ALL countries of the world, if you are from the Russian Federation today and you don’t have pro-Russian propaganda like: “We are with Russia, so we feel good here, it’s good there,” etc. then wait for a split in society and it will grow.
                1. Olezhek
                  9 March 2018 08: 51
                  +1
                  if you’re from the Russian Federation today and you don’t have about Russian propaganda like: “We are with Russia, so we feel good here, it’s good there,” etc. then wait for a split in society and it will grow.


                  A very correct remark ... propaganda (one way or another) is everywhere
                  there is anti-Russian propaganda in Belarus - hence the growing discontent
                  the chosen course (supposedly pro-Russian)

                  And here they no longer have so much a split as a "national consensus" - Russia is bad, but we will continue to live at the expense of Russia.
                  type of favor.
          2. Darkesstcat
            Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 10: 04
            +12
            The majority is the problem. An active minority can calmly crush a passive majority. Yes, and we are accustomed to complain more than to do something to make it better. Already it begins to seem that "nagging" is our national trait HD).
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 10: 07
              +4
              Quote: Darkesstcat
              An active minority can calmly crush a passive majority.

              In other words: are you drawing a Ukrainian script?
              Quote: Darkesstcat
              Yes, and we are accustomed to complain more than to do something to make it better.

              Is it really only with us?
              1. Darkesstcat
                Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 10: 13
                +4
                No, I’m calm with Old Man for the Ukrainian scenario, he calmly suppresses everything, I love dictatorship, quickly inserts brains into place.
                Maybe not only with us, but with words you won’t help. (
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 10: 14
                  +3
                  I agree with both parts of your comment. hi
                2. Olezhek
                  6 March 2018 11: 45
                  +6
                  No, with the Old Man, I am calm for the Ukrainian script, he will calmly suppress everything


                  And, excuse me, what script does he have left? What was before is already over. Died Bobby.
          3. cormorant
            cormorant 6 March 2018 13: 33
            +7
            Strange, probably only me “stubborn” Belarusians are found. Yes, most likely in Belarus itself only our friends live. I’m working with one now ... You need to look for such Russophobes.
            Moreover, I will express seditious thought, for some reason I meet Ukrainians who are well disposed towards Russia more often than Belarusians. This is all suggestive ...
            1. lesnik1978
              lesnik1978 6 March 2018 20: 44
              +4
              Not the fact that he is a Belarusian. We are full of dill from Galicia, Poles and their lackeys. All of these hidden and explicit Russophobia. Ask his religion, he will surely turn out to be either a Catholic or a Uniate. At our place, where the church begins, Russian speech ends.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 21: 34
                +2
                Unfortunately, you are right. Especially about religion - more than once I came across this.
                1. KP8789
                  KP8789 6 March 2018 22: 14
                  +1
                  What is he right about? The truth is that you and lesnik1978 divide people by religion. Immediately visible aliens. Among Belarusians, it is not customary to separate people by faith. If a person is crap in life, then what is his religion.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 6 March 2018 22: 17
                    +4
                    You can immediately see the great dock in Belarus. negative
                    1. KP8789
                      KP8789 6 March 2018 22: 25
                      +1
                      I have been living here all my life and know what I'm writing. Here everyone on the drum, what religion do you have, would be a normal person.
                      1. lesnik1978
                        lesnik1978 7 March 2018 17: 59
                        +3
                        They share how. Pšeki push their people to leadership positions. The Polish diaspora is very strong. They are already clearly polonizing. And if you live in Belarus, you know that they don’t say, for example, Catholic Christmas, they say Polish Christmas. The Poles imposed their writers, distorted human names, the names of settlements, and distorted the Belarusian language (until it was only a dialect of the Russian language). My grandmother lived in the territory of Western Belarus occupied by Poland and I know what Poles are and many agree with me on this issue. Give them free rein and slavery reappeared in my country and everyone would speak Pshetski and write in Latin. If you don’t know these simple things, then better keep quiet. And I'm from the native Belarusians.
                  2. lesnik1978
                    lesnik1978 7 March 2018 18: 39
                    +4
                    Another fact (about religion). In deep childhood with peers, they were caroling for a bounty (Christmas and Old New Year). The Poles opened and immediately slammed the doors, telling us that this was not their holiday. So, from time immemorial, everything has been divided by religion. And do not sing mantras like "we Belarusians are peaceful people."
          4. 97110
            97110 6 March 2018 16: 17
            +4
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            And you do not decide for the people whom (judging by the words) do not know

            It was before the collapse of the USSR, in 1986. Our regiment was in the Bragin district of the Gomel region. I don’t remember where we went there. But on the way was the village of Krasnoye (?). For some reason we went there by mail. Surprised by the abundance of people. An aunt separated from the crowd and said: “Tanks were bought, they are coming here, they are looking for a vodka,” she aimed at our physical integrity. Moving away from the reprisals, we found out from the more peaceful locals the reason for such an unfriendly hitting. It turned out that the military personnel of the Ural Regiment on the BRDM turned off the aunt's pillar, and her aggression was caused by the lack of electricity in her household. Attempts to explain that we are from the Rostov regiment and the BRDM we do not have at all, probably were not taken into account by the former Belarusian partisan. I had to run away ... Who set up this former partisan so anti-Russian? But the impression was strong.
            1. lesnik1978
              lesnik1978 6 March 2018 18: 58
              +5
              It was a crest. we have a lot of them on the border.
              1. 97110
                97110 7 March 2018 12: 06
                0
                Quote: lesnik1978
                It was a crest.

                Then did not distinguish. Now I would probably determine ...
        3. Partyzan
          Partyzan 6 March 2018 10: 07
          +14
          Quote: Victor N
          Will there be partisans?

          believe me, although you believe it or not, it makes no difference to me, it has been proven for hundreds of years, and for those who did not believe - black diggers still dig up,
          This ally can no longer be trusted!
          trust Kazakhstan hi
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 6 March 2018 10: 35
            +1
            A true ally for my remark would be offended. And an indifferent would say: if I don’t like it - go to .............. Can't you guess yourself?
            An ally cannot be indifferent!
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 11: 00
              +4
              Quote: Victor N
              An ally cannot be indifferent!

              And why take offense at you? that your brains have already been washed, so it’s already visible, but you’re not the only one, they sent you for this, and you don’t take offense
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 6 March 2018 09: 15
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I think, if anything, the Belarusian partisans will be NATO troops with tanks to derail. With dad or without .....

        And I think they won’t. Take off the pink glasses. There used to be one country. And everyone was in the same boat. Now Belarusians have their own little boat.
        1. Darkesstcat
          Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 09: 41
          +1
          Here it is more likely a question of propaganda and the reasons where the NATO forces came from. Now it will be quite, although few warriors remain.
        2. Partyzan
          Partyzan 6 March 2018 10: 07
          +9
          Quote: Winnie76
          And I think they won’t.

          but don’t think - it’s bad for you
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 6 March 2018 20: 26
            +1
            Quote: Partyzan
            but don’t think - it’s bad for you

            But essentially nothing to say? Allies of you are like a bullet ...
            1. Partyzan
              Partyzan 7 March 2018 10: 12
              +3
              Quote: Winnie76
              But essentially nothing to say? Allies of you are like a bullet ...

              essentially spoke out above, read, and if for you that would shoot yourself - I can become a bullet hi
        3. 97110
          97110 6 March 2018 16: 26
          0
          Quote: Winnie76
          Now Belarusians have their own little boat.

          And the American Zhenya Ssaki promised to send a fleet to their shore.
    2. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 11: 43
      +3
      Its debt to the West is much greater, hence the enslaving dependence of its economy and politics. Corresponding to this situation and the dual policy of Lukashenko.


      Until 2008, the debts of the Belarusian economy were very, very small. But even then, the old man "played with sovereignty" with might and main "
      But if he “helps” them to pay, he will not become a pro-Russian, alas.

      A good and unambiguous answer to the author and the all-planters are the strategic Belarusian-Russian exercises "West-2017".


      Yeah, and now read the Belarusian press on the topic of these exercises.
      You will be very surprised.
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 12: 13
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        Yeah, and now read the Belarusian press on the topic of these exercises.

        What did you read? can ssylochku?
        1. Olezhek
          6 March 2018 12: 32
          +4
          What did you read? can ssylochku?


          Komrad, to be honest - do not disgrace, your press is Russian-language and quite clear:

          from fresh:

          Of course, these statements by Putin are dangerous for us, because Belarus is Russia's ally. And amid such aggressive rhetoric We are perceived as part of Russia. We need to distance ourselves from this. and determine your position. Also, these statements suggest that Russia will continue the course of escalation dominance.


          http://naviny.by/article/20180302/1519987328-puti
          n-pugaet-zapad-novym-oruzhiem-chem-eskalaciya-kon
          flikta-grozit

          And so in all the fields ... for the junta (and against the Donbass!) For dem. opposition to Syria (and against Assad!)
          Are you not familiar with your own publications?
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 12: 37
            +4
            Well, you would still Z. Poznyak revered
            Arseny Sivitsky
            Director of the Center for Strategic and Foreign Policy Studies, head of the international security research program.
            Master of Philosophy, member of the Military Scientific Society of the Central House of Officers of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus. Works in Minsk.
            Graduate student of the Institute of Philosophy of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus. Research interests: social and political philosophy, methodology for the study of socio-political processes, international relations.
            Member of projects and programs of the Public Diplomacy Fund. A.M. Gorchakova (Russia), CSTO Institute (Russia), Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Fund named after Friedrich Ebert (Germany), Institute for East European Studies (EESC, Lithuania), PIR Center (Russia), Estonian Atlantic Treaty Association, etc. Participated in briefings by Kennan Institute, Atlantic Council (Washington DC), Belarus Reality Check (USAID, Pact Inc., EESC), etc.
            He is a regular participant in the international seminar "NATO and International Security" (NATO Public Diplomacy Department, Center for the Study of Foreign Policy and Security, Faculty of International Relations, BSU) and the international round table on innovations in international research (Center for International Studies of BSU).

            Doesn't it bother you that the director of such a sonorous center is a simple graduate student?
            1. Olezhek
              6 March 2018 12: 40
              +3
              Doesn't it bother you that the director of such a sonorous center is a simple graduate student?

              Colleague
              I stupidly took first available An article about Russia in the press.
              The first, got.
              Do you have fifty ischo to quote?
              1. Angel_and_Demon
                Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 12: 46
                +5
                Quote: Olezhek
                Do you have fifty ischo to quote?

                so I stupidly basement and Ksyusha will quote so what? are you so “aggressive” and “evil”? and oppress everyone? recourse
                1. Olezhek
                  6 March 2018 13: 23
                  +2
                  The first model of this weapon, which entered service with the Belarusian army, was the rocket salvo system (MLRS) “Polonez”. According to Lukashenka, “this system exceeded our expectations ....

                  Here the question arises: why did China, and not allied Russia, act as a technological donor when creating the Polonaise? The answer can be considered the February 13 sounded at a meeting of the Security Council, the statement of the head of the Belarusian state that Russia's leadership today does not have a serious understanding of the needand strengthening the national armed forces of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and other countries in the most dangerous areas of joint defense.


                  It seems that Lukashenko is not going to be content with the role of a pawn in the geopolitical game of NATO and Russia, but intends to get weighty trumps to defend their own interests.


                  http://naviny.by/article/20180304/1520141287-bela
                  rus-delaet-stavku-na-vysokotochnoe-oruzhie
                  1. Angel_and_Demon
                    Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 13: 42
                    +5
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    It seems that Lukashenko is not going to be content with the role of a pawn in the geopolitical game of NATO and Russia, but intends to get weighty trumps to defend their own interests.

                    but here I completely agree with you, this x ... very tricky, will squeeze out everything that is possible for himself hi
                2. Olezhek
                  6 March 2018 13: 24
                  +5
                  The world plunged into the pool of high-precision weapons - rockets that “fly into the window leaf,” the Belarusian president said. - We had no such experience. Chinese friends came to the rescue. I, on behalf of the Belarusian people, bow to my belt and my friend to the President of China, and to all those military men who helped us set up production of high-precision weapons on the territory of Belarus for a year and a half. ”


                  And Russia, even a simple "thank you" not to wait ...
                  1. Angel_and_Demon
                    Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 13: 44
                    +5
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    Я on behalf of the Belarusian people, I bow to the belt both to my friend, the President of China, and to all those military men who helped us to create high-precision weapons production in Belarus for a year and a half. ”

                    Я
                    - this is not the whole of Belarus, and if you remember it so well, can you remember what happened before and why it happened?
                    1. Reserve officer
                      Reserve officer 6 March 2018 18: 54
                      +3
                      Victor, come on. The peoples are fraternal, it’s still wild for me that we somehow managed to divide us as serfs between landowners.
                      But it is not the peoples who decide, but the specific presidents. Which, to preserve their personal power, will do anything. And with the help of the media they will convince the overwhelming majority of the population that I am doing everything for the good of this people.
                      The USSR, too, did not collapse the people. And the three "authorities in the law", only the people, accustomed to blindly believe their leaders, accepted all this. They realized only after many years. Say - how so? We voted in a referendum to preserve the country. And the results of the nationwide referendum "fathers of nations" simply wiped.
                      My deepest conviction is that unification can take place. But only after such a global catastrophe that separately it will be impossible to live.
                      1. Angel_and_Demon
                        Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 19: 00
                        +6
                        Quote: Reserve officer
                        My deepest conviction is that unification can take place. But only after such a global catastrophe that separately it will be impossible to live.

                        it happens without a catastrophe, only after you have more or less put things in order with the oligarchy, and we "will go through nation-wide mourning for the untimely deceased and left to the mercy of fate" hi
                      2. Victor N
                        Victor N 6 March 2018 19: 38
                        +1
                        Many still have not come to their senses and famously support those who deceived them. The country is sick, but the layman praises everything. Simplicity is worse than theft.
          2. Deck
            Deck 8 March 2018 09: 29
            +1
            All write correctly. Why should they "soar"? Assad fuck them?
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 March 2018 06: 58
    +14
    Any ambitious politician in the place of Lukashenko would benefit from his "multi-vector character." There is nothing surprising. The leadership of the "Russian Federation" is itself to blame for this situation. It is media-friendly to talk about the growth of "integration processes." Worse is another. In Central Asia, in Third World countries, the leadership of the Russian Federation creates benefits for private corporations at the expense of the interests of the State Budget of the Russian Federation. All this creates the illusion of the "profitability" of such relations for the people and the state.
    The only decent form of “integration” is entry into the Russian Federation.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 March 2018 08: 50
      +3
      Corporations operating in foreign countries pay taxes to the Russian budget. Yes, and private owners something is not very visible, all the large offices, for the interests of which the state will be ready to strain state.

      It is not necessary to think that the Russian Federation is a kind of appendage to some oligarchs out there who twist them as they want. There is not a single private trader in Russia who could compete financially with the state, Yukos EMNIP tried, but it didn’t succeed.
    2. Partyzan
      Partyzan 6 March 2018 10: 11
      +6
      Quote: samarin1969
      Any ambitious politician in the place of Lukashenko would benefit from his "multi-vector character." There is nothing surprising. The leadership of the "Russian Federation" is itself to blame for this situation.

      and even how guilty it is - for 22 years we have a non-replaceable leader whom your government constantly supports, but for me this is no longer funny. There was a lot of discussion about everything, and the author didn’t argue for a salad, it’s even interesting - didn’t he finish the culinary college? mixed everything - both the people and the government, but no matter how strange it sounds - this is not the same thing hi
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 6 March 2018 20: 37
        +2
        Quote: Partyzan
        mixed everything - both the people and the government, but no matter how strange it sounds - this is not the same thing

        Yes, yes, reminds Bulgarian excuses. Of course, we fought against you, but the people are good and were against it. The damned government is to blame.
        Do not consider the Russians idiots. Union State is a nipple system.
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 7 March 2018 10: 12
          +3
          Quote: Winnie76
          Yes, yes, reminds Bulgarian excuses. Of course we fought against you,

          but from this place in more detail please
    3. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 11: 05
      +6
      Quote: samarin1969
      Worse is another. In Central Asia, in Third World countries, the leadership of the Russian Federation creates benefits for private corporations at the expense of the interests of the State Budget of the Russian Federation. All this creates the illusion of the "profitability" of such relations for the people and the state.

      Well, at least for you, but for us it’s inside: taking a loan from the Chinese from the Chinese, under state guarantees, giving it to amkodor, a private company, for the construction of a tractor plant, while MTZ has overstocked warehouses with tractors, wouldn’t it be easier Was this enterprise reformatted?
    4. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 11: 47
      +1
      Any ambitious politician on the spot Lukashenko would benefit from his "multi-vector". There is nothing surprising.


      What kind of "benefit" did he manage to extract from his friendship with the West ?? I'm not catching up with something ...
      What kind of "benefit" has Ukraine gained? Some kind of "multi-vector" - for pennies - all are running strictly to Moscow ...

      The leadership of the "RF" is itself to blame for this situation.


      ?? belay
    5. toha124
      toha124 6 March 2018 15: 24
      +1
      Joining the Federation or signing a certain confederate agreement. So that the local elites have a small steering wheel.
  4. Senior manager
    Senior manager 6 March 2018 08: 00
    +4
    Explanatory article, I liked it - thanks. It seems that the turn of Belaya Rus for distribution has not yet approached. Now the issue will be covered with the outskirts, followed by urgency or zapashstvosti next problem will be solved. But father’s turn is suitable, I have no doubt.
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 6 March 2018 09: 46
      +7
      Quote: St. Propulsion
      Explanatory article, I liked it - thanks.

      I agree. If this is an abstract of a seventh grader in social studies, then on "4-" you can evaluate it.
      If this is an article for VO, then there are a number of questions:
      1. What are the reasons for the author to consider the civil war in the Donbas an ethnic conflict?
      2. Isn't the statement that Ukrainians are fighting in the Donbas with Russian anti-Russian stuffing?
      3. Did the author read the Treaty on the Establishment of the Union State (or "I am not a reader, I am a writer")?
      4. The author is confident that Lukashenko should pursue not Belarusian, but pro-Russian policy? Therefore, is it permissible for Putin to pursue a pro-Belarusian or, for example, pro-Kirghiz policy?
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 6 March 2018 10: 44
        +2
        An ally must pursue an allied policy. Or he is not an ally.
        Lukashenko is not an ally. The people of Belarus (Belarus) - ???? That is because ALREADY questions have arisen. And tomorrow - will confidence come?
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 11: 06
          +4
          Quote: Victor N
          That is because ALREADY questions have arisen. And tomorrow - will confidence come?

          come back tomorrow
      2. Olezhek
        6 March 2018 11: 52
        +3
        1. What are the reasons for the author to consider the civil war in the Donbas an ethnic conflict?


        Colleague, you are at least a little familiar with Ukrainian MASS MEDIA?
        С intra-ukrainian moods?
        No, damn, in the Donbass "gray" are fighting with the "crimson" ...

        2. Isn't the statement that Ukrainians are fighting in the Donbas with Russian anti-Russian stuffing?

        Once again: it is useful to get acquainted with the Ukrainian point of view on the conflict in the Donbas
        be surprised

        3. Did the author read the Treaty on the Establishment of the Union State (or "I am not a reader, I am a writer")?


        The author has seen the Belarusian leadership demonstratively wipe his feet on him.

        4. The author is confident that Lukashenko should pursue not Belarusian, but pro-Russian policy? Therefore, is it permissible for Putin to pursue a pro-Belarusian or, for example, pro-Kirghiz policy?


        If the Republic of Belarus claims for financial / political / economic support for Russia (and it claims!), Then the policy of Minsk should not conflict with the policy of Moscow - otherwise - in no way request
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 6 March 2018 15: 35
          +2
          If opponents do not notice the obvious - there is no point in discussing with them. It's like arguing with a freshman - only young assistants come across.
  5. sleeve
    sleeve 6 March 2018 08: 27
    0
    But it’s interesting that sooner or later elections will take place in Belarus without the Old Man. It will be on here. It will be interesting to look at the EU carrot citizens of the fraternal republic. After all, no one is learning anything and does not want to learn. The whole post-war historical process of Russia collects all the bumps and learns from its mistakes, and you don’t yawn. No. Useless. It doesn’t come out today to suck two queens ... No way. Everything is paid. In general, of course, the trends are more than strange. Kazakhstan, Belarus ... The most integrated economies are struggling to understand what kind of independence (in relation to what? Earnings in the joint economic space?) Moreover, in front of our eyes, the super example is Hohland. But no, no way. I do not understand. After all, in reality it is about where it is better. So why climb where worse? (And political and economic independence, that’s what they’re talking about) Will they be given dough, or are they pricked with some kind of medicine?
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 6 March 2018 09: 07
      +4
      Quote: sleeve
      sooner or later elections happen without Old Man

      Do you seriously think that Alexander Grigoryevich “will just take the briefcase under his arm and leave”, as promised to the Belarusians, if he is not chosen. Lukashenko has a manic craving for power, has been presiding for a quarter of a century, has changed the constitution to be elected endlessly, and he just doesn’t intend to leave. Lukashenko once said that “they do not become presidents, they are born presidents”, alluding to his youngest Kolya, but it seems to me that Kolya is just a cover, the eldest son Viktor, being the AHL’s national security assistant, has already crushed all the republic’s power structures and feels yourself very confident. So for Belarus you can be calm, the Kimir woman in Belarus is quite feasible.
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 11: 07
        +6
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        You seriously think that Alexander G. "just take a briefcase under his arm and leave",

        joke
        dad and if you will be president? - here to Kolya and I will laughing
      2. Olezhek
        6 March 2018 12: 00
        0
        You seriously think that Alexander G. "just take a briefcase under his arm and leave",


        yes

        Good afternoon
    2. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 17: 22
      +1
      But interestingly, in Belarus sooner or later elections will happen without Farther


      it seems that Belarus will end before Lukashenko ... alas ...
      1. cats
        cats 8 March 2018 01: 43
        +2
        Now is not the time to divide everything into black and white, gray is all around.
        Let's not get excited as the author of the article .. hi
        Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are the Russian world. Misfortune has happened to all of us.
        Russia's non-recognition of the DPR and LPR, as well as the non-recognition of Crimea by Belarus, is a formality
        not letting all the dogs down on us. Both Putin and Lukashenko can send west at any time, but what will it give? War?
        Let’s trust our leaders more and less mud at each other,
        for the sake of enemies.
        In a moment of danger, the main quality is cold-bloodedness and endurance. hi
  6. EvilLion
    EvilLion 6 March 2018 08: 41
    +1
    Ukrainians and Russians are two different peoples


    Not true. There is a people, and there is a sect / party / ... even as you call it, even blacks are accepted into it, if only they would perform certain actions like wearing embroidered shirts and necessarily hatred of Russia. And from which they come out, as soon as it becomes unprofitable, which, in fact, was done by those 25% of the Crimean population who were registered as Ukrainians in the passport. They just came for Russian passports, and said that they were Russian, and no one objected.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 7 March 2018 20: 44
      +1
      Dear! You please do not touch the Crimea with your dirty hands. And that can be obtained by face. You were not here and close in the harsh years. And for everything that’s ready to come ... Where were you when there was no electricity for six months?
  7. EvilLion
    EvilLion 6 March 2018 08: 46
    +3
    That is why they are oriented towards Moscow, because they are Russians, and not because the “economy”, which we now like to trump.


    In fact, everything is exactly the opposite, it is the economy that simply obliged them to preserve their Russianness, the Selyukovsky Galician mentality is simply not applicable for them, the plants will stand up, and they cannot and will not be able to live from kitchen gardens and smuggling. Physically can not.

    However, in the coming decades it will be simply shameful, already shameful, to be a “Ukrainian”. And in Russia, where this word is already equivalent to the word "fascist", in the west, where it is just another impoverished nation, "white negroes".
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 6 March 2018 09: 15
      +2
      Putin supported Lukashenko in the elections. For a long time there was another president in Belarus. Already got such a neighbor, we must be friends, as Ukraine got to Belarus-- after Russia, the second economic partner. Belarus cannot boast with Ukraine, there will be a khan to the budget. So we have to not offend Russia and kiss Ukraine in the "dyasyna". And because economic integration is frozen, it is first necessary to change the top, but what we have about the presidents will change the probability of approaching zero. But if there is such a relationship as now between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, there will be nothing good.
    2. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 12: 07
      +2
      In fact, everything is exactly the opposite, it is the economy that simply obliged them to preserve their Russianness, the Selyukovsky Galician mentality is simply not applicable for them, the plants will stand up, and they cannot and will not be able to live from kitchen gardens and smuggling. Physically can not.


      In principle, the economy obliged the residents of Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk and other cities to maintain a positive attitude towards Russia, but for some reason this did not happen.
      Why? request
  8. Darkesstcat
    Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 09: 10
    +8
    It is interesting how the author imagines the experience of the Republic of Belarus sanctions, which will go in response to the recognition of the Crimea. I understand that you have a sea of ​​natural resources, access to the sea, etc. But from our point of view, look at the situation, we are surrounded, on the one hand, by the Russian Federation, and on the other by the EU. And it is not worth getting to either side, that those that others will plunder.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 March 2018 09: 24
      +4
      The author does not really care about this question. If you want separately, let’s separately, both for gas at market prices and on the arms market of Russia, be so kind as to be present on a common basis, like some kind of France, and not on equal terms with the Russian producer.

      However:

      that others that plunder


      If you, hanging on your neck from Russia, still claim that you are robbed, then this is already a hospital. For the entire Minsk province a hospital.
      1. Darkesstcat
        Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 09: 33
        +4
        So what are you howling at every attempt to get Zdrada off your neck. And it says looted, not looted.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 6 March 2018 10: 57
      +2
      You flatter yourself greatly: what to rob ?! But funny, funny.
      And from the natural resources of Russia-they separated themselves, no one drove. And now you continue to refuse (from the "union state").
      In the best case, Belarus is now a partner for Russia, But not an ally!
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 6 March 2018 12: 14
      +4
      Quote: Darkesstcat
      But from our point of view, look at the situation, we are surrounded, on the one hand, by the Russian Federation, and on the other by the EU.

      Yes, the author understands everything perfectly. And the fact that as a result of the recognition of Crimea as Russian, sanctions will fall on Belarus. And that in this case Belarus will completely become dependent only on the good will of Russia. Yes, if nothing else is on Russia. From the oligarchs. And what is " the free will "of any oligarchs is well-known. Only Belarus is in no hurry to poke his head in a trap, he is in no hurry to become completely dependent on Russia. This fact greatly annoys the author. He really wants Russia to grow into Belarusian territory at all costs.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 6 March 2018 15: 52
        +1
        Russia has its own territories !!! As Putin said: we have everything. And there are many free girls walking along the sidelines.
        You intimidated yourself with "terrible oligarchs"! To the extent that it is not noticeable that you are simple, successful entrepreneurs, even those in the public sector who want to do something are not visible. In Belarus, can anyone compare with the oligarch Abramovich, whom Chukotka prays ?! Yes, I could not stand the difficulties, the guy surrendered - he bought Chelsea and a horseradish yacht (?). But Chukotka raised! It could well have become a hero of Russia, if not softened.
    4. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 12: 18
      +3
      It is also interesting how the author imagines the experience of the Republic of Belarus of sanctions, which will go in response to the recognition of Crimea


      Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea and Syria


      Against which of them imposed sanctions for the Crimea ??
      Nicaragua recognized both South Ossetia and the Crimea ... so what?
      but nothing.
      But the "fraternal Belarusians" are afraid of anything.
      By the way - look where is located Nicaragua
    5. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 19: 20
      +2
      I understand that you have a sea of ​​natural resources, access to the sea, etc. But you and from our point of view look at the situation, we are surrounded, on the one hand, by the Russian Federation, on the other by the EU


      No question at all !! correct position and logical ... but! then it’s not necessary to go to Russia for money.
      Otherwise, it is not logical ...
  9. antivirus
    antivirus 6 March 2018 09: 42
    0
    An article is a cry of the soul, not a situation analysis.
    We can’t absorb Belarus - Russia is weak ... we will continue to ally
    were smart people 150-100-60 years ago and built relations with the Union republics and neighboring states of Europe in a certain way.
    Can the current ones come up with some new squiggle? no, just \ consistently continue the old course.
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 09: 49
      +4
      Why absorb. It’s easier to bypass sanctions through us, etc. Yes, you can devour us, the question is whether this will make it better? Yes, and we have to abolish the death penalty, but this is not good :(
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 6 March 2018 10: 03
        0
        and I’m talking about this - absorption only for projecting power (at a cost. without income) - the Kremlin’s leverage on the Baltic and Europe. we hardly fend off the onslaught of the West. easier to hold as a buffer
        1. Darkesstcat
          Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 10: 21
          +5
          It would be nice to get free financial assistance from the west, but you can’t scout the cunning ones (
      2. Olezhek
        6 March 2018 12: 09
        +3
        And why absorb. It's easier to bypass sanctions through us, etc.


        Yeah - another round of "folk tales"

        With the help of Belarus, not Russia bypasses sanctions, but just the West ...
  10. Azimuth
    Azimuth 6 March 2018 09: 51
    +9
    Quote: EvilLion
    The author does not really care about this question. If you want separately, let’s separately, both for gas at market prices and on the arms market of Russia, be so kind as to be present on a common basis, like some kind of France, and not on equal terms with the Russian producer.

    However:

    that others that plunder


    If you, hanging on your neck from Russia, still claim that you are robbed, then this is already a hospital. For the entire Minsk province a hospital.

    By this "You ... You" perfectly give out as an ultra-right Russian patriot. It can be seen that they did not live in the USSR. The reason for the reluctance to integrate is already in your brain. Belarus is a stranger and a parasite. Who put this IDEA into your head? And for what? The Ukrainian has already been driven into the head.
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 09: 59
      +5
      He was born after the collapse of the USSR, but it seems that we have the same ones. I wonder why so often the divide and conquer strategy works?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 March 2018 12: 05
        +6
        Quote: Azimut
        It can be seen that they did not live in the USSR. The reason for the reluctance to integrate is already in your brain. Belarus is a stranger and a parasite. Who put this IDEA into your head? And for what?

        Well, I lived in the USSR. And I can hardly imagine a union republic that would enjoy all the economic preferences of the association, but at the same time, for example, it would not officially recognize the Kuril Islands and the Kaliningrad region joining the USSR or would actively trade with Pakistan in the 80s. smile
        Try to understand one thing - any union requires the contribution of all those entering it. Otherwise, it is not a union, but parasitization of one on another. And the situation how settlements at domestic prices are the union, and how the support of another member of the union is the sovereign state good will not end.
        1. Olezhek
          6 March 2018 12: 42
          +3
          Try to understand one thing - any union requires the contribution of all its members. Otherwise, it is not a union, but a parasitism of one on the other. And the situation as a calculation for domestic prices - as a union, and as the support of another member of the union - so the sovereign state will not end well.


          Golden words ...
    2. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 12: 10
      +2
      The reason for the reluctance of integration is already in your brain. Belarus alien and parasite. Who put that IDEA in your head?

      If directly and specifically, then Lukashenko.
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 6 March 2018 16: 03
      +4
      This is where did you see the real integration? !! Go out into the fresh air and everything will pass!
      The whole article that Belarus, in fact - is NOT ALLY!
      Well, this is seen on the other side of the border! You do not like it - but this is the impression from here.
      Understand: an ally has responsibilities! If he doesn’t fulfill them, it means NOT ALLY!
  11. a housewife
    a housewife 6 March 2018 10: 13
    +1
    Ksenia just needs to throw an idea, and remind him periodically - there is a good country where the president has been in power for a very long time. The country is nearby. Let Ksyusha try to realize her ambitions there. Will compete for a place. One of them will definitely not be. Or Ksenia or dad. and then we'll see.
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 10: 30
      +2
      We have the death penalty, if anything can be done to undermine statehood.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 6 March 2018 14: 05
        +1
        And what - is it something illegal? Drive in, get citizenship - and let's campaign!
    2. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: housewife
      Ksenia just needs to throw an idea,

      and these brothers are called, ay ay ay, if you are not ashamed - do you want our demographic crisis to happen? No.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 6 March 2018 14: 07
        +2
        I’m certainly not your brother! tongue drinks
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 6 March 2018 14: 12
          +3
          Ну request I'm sorry, I didn’t think about your sister instincts, I repent love
  12. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 6 March 2018 10: 20
    +7
    Quote: Darkesstcat
    It is interesting how the author imagines the experience of the Republic of Belarus sanctions, which will go in response to the recognition of the Crimea. I understand that you have a sea of ​​natural resources, access to the sea, etc. But from our point of view, look at the situation, we are surrounded, on the one hand, by the Russian Federation, and on the other by the EU. And it is not worth getting to either side, that those that others will plunder.


    I am personally sure that Lukashenko will not recognize Crimea with Putin’s consent, because they both understand that this will be sanctioned by Belarus. And Russia will have to compensate for it. So it’s much cheaper to pursue such a policy, like Russian Crimea, but publicly we will not say so. So everything is trite. Well in real life, what will happen if Belarus officially recognizes Crimea? There will be nothing besides big financial problems for her. And for Russia, what will be useful in this case? Will the whole world be inspired by this example and recognize the Crimea and lift the sanctions? Of course, nothing good will happen, only it will have to provide financial assistance to Belarus. This politics. And in politics, the word Yes does not always mean consent, and vice versa.
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 6 March 2018 10: 25
      +2
      And the Minsk process will have to be postponed, but Svidomo is only at hand
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 6 March 2018 11: 38
        +2
        Not recognizing Crimea as Belarus is even beneficial for Russia, most likely it was done by agreement with Russia, now through Belarus products, equipment and equipment prohibited by sanctions come to us. Batko on this has his own "gesheft" of course, but .... why and no, all the same, we live under capitalism, he also needs to “beat off” the “risks” and “troubles”.
        1. Olezhek
          6 March 2018 12: 20
          +3
          -Now, products, equipment, etc., banned by sanctions, go to Belarus via Belarus.

          ?? belay
          Are you talking about shrimp ??
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 6 March 2018 12: 50
            +1
            And about "them" too. In addition, there is still such a thing as "loans." For example, in currency, they don’t give Russian banks, but there are “Belarusian” ones - think about it yourself later ... wink
            1. Olezhek
              6 March 2018 13: 01
              +3
              In addition, there is still such a thing as "loans". For example, in the currency-Russian banks do not give, but there is a "Belarusian", then think for yourself


              Secrets, secrets, terms of secrets ...
              The Old Man is so "lit up" on anti-Russian actions and statements that it remains only to write legends that in the deep-deep underground he works tirelessly for the good of Russia ...

              Honestly already tired ...
              Scandals on the revealed facts (cooperation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Syrian de-opposition, for example, or the demonstrative laying of flowers at the monument to Georgian soldiers who attacked our peacekeepers) took place more than once.

              Not a single scandal / fact about the "secret pro-Russian activities" of the AHL public is not known
              There are two options:
              1 Belarusian special services are the coolest in the world.
              2 did not have this secret pro-Russian activity - it is a pure myth.
              And enough already from Lukashenka to do Stirlitz / Major Whirlwind ...
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 6 March 2018 16: 18
              +3
              Loans to Belarus?!?!?! You are infinitely far from the real economy. Or live somewhere in Africa ....
              This Belarus constantly begs loans from Russia.
              Do not be ashamed to get out with such a level of knowledge on the Internet ?!
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 6 March 2018 16: 12
      +1
      You are confusing Putin with someone. Ugly!
      If you are afraid of sanctions and other minor troubles, sit at home with your mother. And do not call yourself an "ally"!
      You don’t understand elementary things!
  13. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 6 March 2018 10: 32
    +2
    There is a pipeline built a long time ago. He is called friendship. And oil flows through it from Russia to Europe. Through where? - And directly through the father’s reservation. And the old man sits on this pipe and tries to cling to two boobs with one hand. And still dreams that if he himself does not become the king of Belyi and Great Russia (he is unlikely to stick to the Khokhlov), then heir will sit on this stool .
  14. Snail N9
    Snail N9 6 March 2018 11: 34
    0
    Yes .... how it all ends is "bad" for everyone .... But in the days of Borka some advised to create a real "Union State" in which, attention! in turn, the presidents of its member countries should rule. But everything rested on a common currency - everyone wanted to introduce the dollar as a stable basis, but ... the Americans didn’t give and didn’t give it, they cunningly said that we wouldn’t give a “union state” for the “common currency”, but if someone wants to introduce for the sole state as a currency, then, yes, you might think. In general, we didn’t agree ... as always, the Americans are “to blame”.
  15. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 6 March 2018 14: 14
    +1
    Quote: sxfRipper
    There is a pipeline built a long time ago. He is called friendship. And oil flows through it from Russia to Europe. Through where? - And directly through the father’s reservation. And the old man sits on this pipe and tries to cling to two boobs with one hand. And still dreams that if he himself does not become the king of Belyi and Great Russia (he is unlikely to stick to the Khokhlov), then heir will sit on this stool .

    The pipe passing through the Batkina reservation has long been owned by Gazprom.
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 6 March 2018 20: 32
      0
      So what?
      1. Sewer krainiy
        Sewer krainiy 7 March 2018 19: 59
        0
        Yes, nothing ... It’s just that Gazprom pumps gas to Europe through the territory of Belarus through its pipe (it contains it, repairs it, etc.), it pays us only for renting land under the pipe. Our friendship is understandable, and two boobs is what ... your dream is .. laughing ?
  16. 1536
    1536 6 March 2018 14: 29
    0
    For some reason, it is thought that all these years after the collapse of the USSR, the Belarusian people have been "treated" for digging the seas in the same way as the Ukrainian one. The dragon's teeth must finally give their poisonous shoots. And we are inactive. Previously, fairs were organized in the cities of the Moscow Region where Belarusians came with their goods: products of the light industry, food industry, stockings, socks. At reasonable prices, all this was sold. Now this is not. Why? One summer I witnessed such a scene: some grandfather brought to the "shopping arcade" near the administration of a town outside Moscow a basket of apples collected from his summer cottage. He didn’t even stand a minute, as a young kid came to stand next to him, with a beaver haircut and, apparently, broken nose in battles in various “huts”. Roughly, regardless of the age of the elderly person, or the fact that he had a single basket with five to six kg of apples, the young man drove away his grandfather. And for some reason Belarus was immediately remembered in this connection. Why dont know. But, in my opinion, we ourselves are to blame for the once fraternal peoples slowly but surely turning into the worst enemies.
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 6 March 2018 20: 39
      +1
      Previously, fairs were organized in the cities of the Moscow Region where Belarusians came with their goods
      I won’t say for all the Moscow Region, I will say for the city Vidnoye - Belarusian goods are on Red Stone ... In Moscow, we buy fish exclusively at Belarusian fairs. It is cheaper there than a domestic manufacturer.
      I once witnessed such a scene in the summer
      And what does the subject have to do with it?
      once fraternal peoples
      Enough mantras about fraternal peoples! If the brothers - then one is the eldest, and the other is the younger (even among the twins). I will not continue further. Smart and so understand everything.
      1. 1536
        1536 7 March 2018 10: 15
        0
        About the subject. For the smart. Many peoples want to obey written and adopted laws that protect them from arbitrariness, protect their rights and freedoms, and not street muile with his "bosses" who do not want to work, but want to live "beautifully". From this, in general, as far as I understand with my little mind, the Maidan began in Kiev.
  17. ibirus
    ibirus 6 March 2018 15: 38
    +5
    Wangyu, as soon as Lukashenko dies or is ousted, we will get Ukraine 2.0 at its borders, and there is no need to have illusions. The mood in the country is the same as in Ukraine.
    1. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 17: 20
      +4
      And about the same, though not quite: many Ukrainians quite openly hated Russia
      before all sorts of "muydanov" there.
      Good she is there or not, with Putin or without ... they hated
      So there are no questions for the beautiful country "Ukraine".
      But in Belarus just have questions ...
      A special type of homo sapiens, the “pro-Russian Russophobe,” was launched there ...
      That is, people at the same time are quite sincerely Russophobic and at the same time sincerely claim the help of their Russian ally Belarusian ...

      request
  18. vvvjak
    vvvjak 6 March 2018 16: 50
    +3
    Quote: Olezhek
    The author of the article is a regular and grateful reader tut.by and naviny.by
    there is anti-Russian propaganda, there is no pro-Russian
    Just Belarusians somehow got used to the fact that in their press the Kremlin is watered with mud.

    When I watch Belarusian news (once a year), I am amazed at what a happy country I live in. We have done everything for a man (though only for one). But seriously, almost all comments on the article of Belarusians say that there is no need to divide a single people, and it is not necessary to combine the position of the authorities of the Republic of Belarus with the position of the people of the Republic of Belarus. There are concepts of nationality (Russian or Belarusian) that we have different, but there is a concept of mentality (Russian), which we have the same. I can’t say about the whole country, but among my circle of friends 90% adhere to this point of view. And all these clarifications should be provided to the authorities by whom and to whom, especially as the material support of the Russian Federation for the Republic of Belarus has never reached ordinary people.
    1. Olezhek
      6 March 2018 17: 42
      +5
      And all of these are asking who should provide something to the official authorities, especially since the material support of the Russian Federation of the Republic of Belarus never reached ordinary people.


      No damn, "simple people" 25 years lived honestly with money earned directly by the Belarusian economy, yeah.
      Russia all these years and pulled "Square Byalorus" and provided the social minimum of the average Belarusian ...
      right now Belarusians begin to live as they earn.

      and it is not necessary to unite the position of the authorities of the Republic of Belarus with the position of the people of the Republic of Belarus.


      Unfortunately, in the Republic of Belarus not all the press is of a state nature.
      So for the press that is against Lukashenko, the degree of Russophobia is much higher.
      I hesitate to ask - and where is that "other" press, "other" commentators ... and a different attitude towards Russia.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 7 March 2018 09: 33
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        No damn, "simple people" 25 years lived honestly with money earned directly by the Belarusian economy, yeah.
        Russia all these years and pulled "Square Byalorus" and provided the social minimum of the average Belarusian ...
        now Belarusians are starting to live the way they earn.

        Russia supplies gas to Belarus at $ 130 (approximately). And the power of the Republic of Belarus sells gas of about $ 500 to their enterprises. The difference contains the entire power vertical with considerable salaries. And the people (including the Russian one) pays for the difference with the finished product made in Belarus. With this construction of Lukanomics, enterprises cannot pay normal salaries, make competitive products, and carry out modernization. They can only beg for loans from the same authorities. Moreover, on the "shoulders" of large factories they also hang social programs and backward collective farms. So explain to me who the RF supports the power or the people of Belarus? And who benefits from such "independence", which is paid by the Russian Federation?
        1. Darkesstcat
          Darkesstcat 7 March 2018 12: 16
          0
          Where is the data on the cost of gas for enterprises if not a secret?
          1. vvvjak
            vvvjak 7 March 2018 12: 30
            +2
            The domestic gas price is formed on the basis of various subordinate documents and may vary depending on the region. I took it from a particular private enterprise in the city of Gomel, which has its own gas boiler house of small capacity (well, rounded a little upwards for the sake of perception)
          2. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 8 March 2018 12: 27
            0
            Quote: Darkesstcat
            Where is the data on the cost of gas for enterprises if not a secret?

            here, of course, not $ 500, but there is some difference from the price of $ 142 declared at the border
            http://www.pravo.by/novosti/novosti-pravo-by/2017
            / january / 22773 /
            Decree No. 18 of the Ministry of Antimonopoly Regulation and Trade of the Republic of Belarus dated January 2017, 5 established maximum price limits for natural gas without value added tax to gas supplying organizations that are part of Beltopgaz when supplied through a system of gas supplying organizations.

            Natural gas prices are per 1000 cubic meters. m with a design heat of combustion of 7900 kcal / cu. m with the exchange rate of the Belarusian ruble against the US dollar 1,9585: 1.

            In particular, for legal entities and individual entrepreneurs for whom the consumed volume of natural gas in 2016 amounted to 500 million cubic meters. m, prices are set in the following sizes:

            540,29 rubles - for legal entities, individual entrepreneurs, except for budgetary organizations (previously - 564,4576 rubles);
            479,83 rubles - for budgetary organizations and legal entities of the system of the Ministry of Housing and Communal Services that provide housing and communal services (501,2945 rubles);
            327,06 rubles - for legal entities, partnerships of owners, organizations of developers providing housing and communal services, in terms of the use of natural gas for the production of thermal energy for the needs of the population (327,376 rubles).
            In accordance with the resolution, differentiated prices for natural gas used for the production of greenhouse vegetables were determined (previously, the Ministry established a single price in the amount of 409,22 rubles):

            432,63 rubles - from March 1 to October 31 inclusive;
            342,73 rubles - from January 1 to February 28 and from November 1 to December 31 inclusive.
            At the same time, for organizations with dormitories, religious organizations, organizations using natural gas for the needs of family-type orphanages, children's villages (towns), children's hospices, the cost of natural gas has increased - if there are individual gas heating devices in the heating period, it will be 0,0908, 0,0776 rubles (previously - XNUMX rubles).

            The resolution enters into force on February 1, 2017 and extends its effect to relations that arose from January 1, 2017.
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 7 March 2018 12: 52
          +1
          Understand the power yourself, even if you don’t pull Russia into it.
        3. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 8 March 2018 12: 28
          0
          here, of course, not 500, but there is some difference from the price of 142 declared at the border
          http://www.pravo.by/novosti/novosti-pravo-by/2017
          / january / 22773 /
          Decree No. 18 of the Ministry of Antimonopoly Regulation and Trade of the Republic of Belarus dated January 2017, 5 established maximum price limits for natural gas without value added tax to gas supplying organizations that are part of Beltopgaz when supplied through a system of gas supplying organizations.

          Natural gas prices are per 1000 cubic meters. m with a design heat of combustion of 7900 kcal / cu. m with the exchange rate of the Belarusian ruble against the US dollar 1,9585: 1.

          In particular, for legal entities and individual entrepreneurs for whom the consumed volume of natural gas in 2016 amounted to 500 million cubic meters. m, prices are set in the following sizes:

          540,29 rubles - for legal entities, individual entrepreneurs, except for budgetary organizations (previously - 564,4576 rubles);
          479,83 rubles - for budgetary organizations and legal entities of the system of the Ministry of Housing and Communal Services that provide housing and communal services (501,2945 rubles);
          327,06 rubles - for legal entities, partnerships of owners, organizations of developers providing housing and communal services, in terms of the use of natural gas for the production of thermal energy for the needs of the population (327,376 rubles).
          In accordance with the resolution, differentiated prices for natural gas used for the production of greenhouse vegetables were determined (previously, the Ministry established a single price in the amount of 409,22 rubles):

          432,63 rubles - from March 1 to October 31 inclusive;
          342,73 rubles - from January 1 to February 28 and from November 1 to December 31 inclusive.
          At the same time, for organizations with dormitories, religious organizations, organizations using natural gas for the needs of family-type orphanages, children's villages (towns), children's hospices, the cost of natural gas has increased - if there are individual gas heating devices in the heating period, it will be 0,0908, 0,0776 rubles (previously - XNUMX rubles).

          The resolution enters into force on February 1, 2017 and extends its effect to relations that arose from January 1, 2017.
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 6 March 2018 21: 00
    +1
    The article is controversial, in some ways you can agree, but in some ... winked It must be said here that in some aspects of internal union relations the political leadership of Russia also does not look “white and fluffy,” due to very specific (personal) reasons, although they are carefully hidden ... sad
  20. Dobriy_chelvek
    Dobriy_chelvek 6 March 2018 21: 04
    +3
    I believe that the author of this article raised a rather relevant topic, but he did not draw a normal conclusion or give any forecast. With each article on the VO about the relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, I immediately become convinced of the purposeful formation of readers' thoughts that our neighbors will surrender us, that they are parasites and are sitting on our neck, etc. etc. I perfectly understand the authors, I know that this is so, but there is a huge risk. This risk is also understood in Belarus. Until 2014, I lived in the Ukrainian Crimea, I had the opportunity to observe from the side what was happening in the relations of the "big" Ukraine and the Russian Federation. So, as many remember, the first cat passed between the Russian Federation and Ukraine after the Maidan 2004, which, in the main, was organized by the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Litvin against Kuchma, he later sponsored the whole film, and that Yushchenko came, but with him premiere Yulia Ukraine gently entered the crisis, and so it was until the arrival of Yanukovych in 2010, but what am I talking about. After the events of 2004 and frank dibilism, Yushchenko ran between Ukraine and the Russian Federation a black cat, the culmination of which was the delivery of the Buk M1 and arrow-10 to Georgia and all the consequences, everyone knows that. The second cat is Maidan 2014. But here’s what I’ll tell you dear - the author is right, the Russian Federation did not do a damn thing for the formation of the Russian core in Ukraine, but the EU / USA - the creation and financing of the “plast” camps, incl. and in Crimea, the training of young politicians in the US State Department, incl. Crimean workers of city executive committees and the Council of Ministers of the ARC (for a note - data from the OVIR). So the Russian Federation received such a situation in 2014. Now RB. Cats run between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus every time they have to pay for energy and every time they don’t miss the milk. In 2014, as the author points out, Belarus remained in the “neutrals” camp, but here he is disingenuous. Belarus made conclusions and understood - but we could be in the place of Ukraine! I (Lukashenko) could be in place of Yanukovych (do not disperse your Maidan in 2011)! And Belarus began to prepare - the restoration of the system of reservists, i.e. neo-partisans on the border with the Russian Federation, the creation of a southern operational command (who thinks that because of Ukraine, think with whom RB is still a neighbor from the south, and of course - West 2017, where you can study your closest ally, and possibly not an ally in the future ? Only in joint military exercises! The question just begs, why the hell is Belarus quarreling with the EU, if Yatsenyuk gave Belarus the human flow from Ukraine to the Russian Federation, is Belarus also the main transit land corridor from the EU to the Russian Federation? It should be noted again that the author once again misled when he said that Belarus is problematic - the author, go to Belarus, go to state farms and collective farms, and then go to the middle zone of the Russian Federation and find state farms and collective farms. C / X is not an indicator? Then here is the main value of the Republic of Belarus, and no, these are not oil refineries that process our Russian oil, which they sell to us in the form of gasoline and diesel, no - this is MAZ. The Ukrainian army - MAZ, Poplar M - no question, also MAZ! Someone will say, but what about the YaMZ, it’s not a question, but the number of these YaMZ in the troops. But what about the troops there, have you seen at least one snow-removal tractor in Moscow except Belarus (such a red one)? So think. I dare to make a prediction - Lukashenko and the Republic of Belarus will not be able to distance themselves from the Russian Federation (after all, they are not a mining country), but there will be no friendship, as in general, there will be a holivar, there will be some deals, monotonous and pathos speech. those who will be at the helm in Belarus will throw something out.
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 6 March 2018 21: 09
    +1
    Quote: Azimut
    Quote: EvilLion
    The author does not really care about this question. If you want separately, let’s separately, both for gas at market prices and on the arms market of Russia, be so kind as to be present on a common basis, like some kind of France, and not on equal terms with the Russian producer.

    However:

    that others that plunder


    If you, hanging on your neck from Russia, still claim that you are robbed, then this is already a hospital. For the entire Minsk province a hospital.

    By this "You ... You" perfectly give out as an ultra-right Russian patriot. It can be seen that they did not live in the USSR. The reason for the reluctance to integrate is already in your brain. Belarus is a stranger and a parasite. Who put this IDEA into your head? And for what? The Ukrainian has already been driven into the head.

    Who-who ... - those who "steered" in Russia since 1991, (to be more precise, since 1985), that's who! sad
  22. belaruski
    belaruski 6 March 2018 23: 51
    +3
    Firstly, the country is called Belarus and not "Belarus". This is written in the UN title documents.
    Secondly. Belarus in 1991 had every right as a sovereign state to follow the path of the Baltic states. To Europe, NATO and the EU. In 1994, the people voted for the pro-Russian communist Lukashenko and Belarus turned to Russia. Rejoice that the NATO bases are not 30 km from Smolensk, but a little further.
    Thirdly. Belarus has its own Foreign Ministry and its president, the country is independent and, in addition to Russia, has neighbors with whom it is building its own policy. At the same time, continuing to carry out defensive functions against NATO countries on the western borders. Permits two Russian bases located on its territory. Belarus recognized neither the independence of South Ossetia nor Abkhazia, nor Crimea. Tk is not a war of Belarusians, they have their own relations with these states and no country has the right to dictate to whom and with whom to be friends.
    Fourth, the situation is complicated by the fact that Lukashenko is essentially the only pro-Russian force in the country. Leave him and immediately come to power an analogue like in Ukraine, the EU NATO And so on. Belarusian youth, ask anyone, sees himself only in Europe, a European country.
    And this is worth considering when criticizing Belarus.
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 7 March 2018 07: 59
      0
      Interestingly, while young people see themselves as? As Ukrainians, we want in the EU and no matter how and why? Or do we want in the EU and for this we work a lot and we ourselves are invited?
      1. Ronald Reagan
        Ronald Reagan 7 March 2018 10: 34
        +1
        How do young people see themselves? It depends on education. More intelligent and intelligent, of course, look at Europe and America. Those who are deprived of mental abilities, but have good health - work at construction sites in Russia. No.
        1. Darkesstcat
          Darkesstcat 7 March 2018 12: 15
          0
          Well, some go there to work and come back experience gained.
          1. Ronald Reagan
            Ronald Reagan 7 March 2018 12: 32
            0
            You need to be really risky and courageous person to return to where there is nothing. yes
    2. Olezhek
      7 March 2018 13: 03
      +2
      Firstly, the country is called Belarus and not "Belarus". This is written in the UN title documents.


      We are not talking at the UN now, and we don’t need to learn Russian in Russian.

      Secondly. In 1991, Belarus had every right as a sovereign state to go the way of the Baltic states. To Europe, NATO and the EU.


      And nobody invited: neither Belarus nor Ukraine, offensively, yes.

      In 1994, the people voted for the pro-Russian communist Lukashenko and Belarus turned to Russia. Rejoice


      And you don’t get sick, but you could already close all the factories and pay for energy at European prices.

      And when the "best and last almighty" begins to scare NATO, then decent words to characterize the national mentality of Belarusians simply do not remain.

      Thirdly. Belarus has its own Foreign Ministry and its president, the country is independent and, in addition to Russia, has neighbors with whom it is building its own policy.


      and your budget.
    3. Olezhek
      7 March 2018 13: 31
      +2
      Tk is not a war of Belarusians, they have their own relations with these states and no country has the right to dictate to whom and with whom to be friends.



      And even the USA .....

      Your idea is understandable, but in this case, you should have thought for a long time about the official withdrawal from the Union State
    4. Olezhek
      7 March 2018 13: 44
      +2
      . Belarusian youth, anyone, sees themselves only in Europe, a European country.

      not a question: a white servant is needed in Europe.
      Poland serves Western Europe, Ukrainians serve Poland
      etc.
      1. Darkesstcat
        Darkesstcat 7 March 2018 15: 21
        +3
        And many Russians do not mind rushing off to a more prosperous Europe.
  23. belaruski
    belaruski 7 March 2018 14: 24
    0
    Quote: Olezhek
    Secondly. In 1991, Belarus had every right as a sovereign state to go the way of the Baltic states. To Europe, NATO and the EU.


    And nobody invited: neither Belarus nor Ukraine, offensively, yes.

    You do not own the question and undertake to state this. Belarus, like the Baltic states, signed the protocol and became a candidate for EU membership immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Until a certain point, over the course of 2,5 years, it fulfilled the points of the protocol for compliance with European standards. Until Lukashenko came to power in 94, the Western vector completely turned off and reoriented to Russia because the Communist himself was very nostalgic for the USSR. And European emissaries have always been active in relation to Belarus and in the nineties and are now active. For them, it’s a tidbit to push NATO and its interests east.
    1. Olezhek
      8 March 2018 17: 56
      +2
      Belarus, like the Baltic states, signed the protocol and became a candidate for EU membership immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Up to a certain point, over the course of 2,5 years, it has complied with the protocol items for compliance with European standards.


      Well, yes, and there Belarus already prepared a bag of money, but not fate ... not fate ... wink
      It’s just that I’ve been trying for a long time and unsuccessfully to understand why the “Western vector” is automatically associated with a lot of money.
  24. Victor N
    Victor N 7 March 2018 16: 33
    +1
    What is happening in Belarus (this is in Russian) causes concern among the population of the second member of the Union State. What is said in the article itself, and in many comments. When they object: yes, we are like that, and so we are not allies - the position is clear. Everything else is guile, disguise as an ally. So it is seen - blame the mirror.
    1. Sewer krainiy
      Sewer krainiy 7 March 2018 20: 28
      +1
      I would say so, Victor from New Russia .... First of all, you, like me, do not speak on behalf of the population of the members of the Union State, we have the right to express only your opinion and express only your concern. And Vladimir Vladimirovich and Alexander Grigoryevich will sort out the anxiety of the population ... so it is seen wink
      1. Sewer krainiy
        Sewer krainiy 7 March 2018 20: 41
        0
        And why error, did not understand.
      2. Olezhek
        7 March 2018 22: 00
        +1
        Vladimir Vladimirovich and Alexander Grigoryevich will sort it out ..



        We, my dear, very different political systems.
        In Russia, the idea that all questions Putin will decide.
        1. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 7 March 2018 22: 25
          +1
          And so to speak, my dear, they’ll figure it out guide Russia and Belarus wink This is more correct ... I agree.
  25. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 7 March 2018 21: 21
    +2
    Quote: belaruski
    Quote: Olezhek
    Secondly. In 1991, Belarus had every right as a sovereign state to go the way of the Baltic states. To Europe, NATO and the EU.


    And nobody invited: neither Belarus nor Ukraine, offensively, yes.

    You do not own the question and undertake to state this. Belarus, like the Baltic states, signed the protocol and became a candidate for EU membership immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Until a certain point, over the course of 2,5 years, it fulfilled the points of the protocol for compliance with European standards. Until Lukashenko came to power in 94, the Western vector completely turned off and reoriented to Russia because the Communist himself was very nostalgic for the USSR. And European emissaries have always been active in relation to Belarus and in the nineties and are now active. For them, it’s a tidbit to push NATO and its interests east.


    It was like that under Shushkevich, who, together with Kravchuk, helped Yeltsin destroy the Union in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Under Zenon Poznyak ... Partridges then appeared where, according to Zeno, the "bloody gebenius" shot people, like partridges. They wanted to excavate the graves - Zenon and others like him did not give it, their scam will open. Now white-red-white people are trying to arrange something like a pantheon there. The authorities did not want to establish the truth, allowed the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the BNR (Belarusian People's Republic: included part of the Russian Empire captured by the Germans in 1918, with the territories of present Belarus, Lithuania, Poland, Russia wink ) It existed for several months. By the way, her government, headed by Ilona, ​​is still working somewhere now.
    And Lukashenko in an honest match in 1994 won before. Council of Ministers of the BSSR Kebich ... this is not for you khukh mukhra.
    Regarding emissaries - I agree, see above on BNR. But already in ... in the year they tried to conduct a color revolution, and Ukrainians came to help, but ... Every state is worth something if it knows how to defend itself (not verbatim).
    What next - we'll see.
    1. Alexander Romanov_4
      Alexander Romanov_4 8 March 2018 16: 45
      +1
      Gentlemen, they probably forgot how back in 1996 Lukashenko suggested, in agreement with Primakov, that Belarus should be joined to the Russian Federation. Yeltsin on command from the United States refused. But then Belarus shone to be next after Yugoslavia. It’s good that Putin came and we would already be in the trenches like today in LDNR, 15 years ago.
  26. Alexander Romanov_4
    Alexander Romanov_4 8 March 2018 16: 39
    +3
    What do you tear throats? Up there, where Putin, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev are sitting smart people who jointly make joint strategic decisions - they are therefore called allies, and here you are discussing something that doesn’t hesitate in driving a wedge. and what are you better after than those who are "nikoli and we don’t be brothers." Yes nothing
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 11 March 2018 12: 35
      0
      But they warned: DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF AN IDOL .....
  27. Praetorian4
    Praetorian4 9 March 2018 01: 09
    0
    At first I decided that the conversation would be about Crimea and Russia. When will our “savings banks” appear there?
  28. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 9 March 2018 19: 12
    -1
    Quote: lesnik1978
    Not the fact that he is a Belarusian. We are full of dill from Galicia, Poles and their lackeys. All of these hidden and explicit Russophobia. Ask his religion, he will surely turn out to be either a Catholic or a Uniate. At our place, where the church begins, Russian speech ends.

    Well, you are dense, forester, oh dense. I don’t know where you have, and here in Minsk, where there was a church, there is a pro-Orthodox church. And I’m not talking about Russian, but forgot about the match?
    A couple of days ago, Russian authors wrote about the “unnecessary education” on planet Earth RB. They couldn’t share the MZKT and a couple of refineries. And what do you all share? No to you, and this is not enough ... Now an ally is not an ally ... Madhouse.
    I want to ask again: “Which of you, I personally asked for a money (well, at least a pretty penny) ??? '' And if your guarantor bothers ours, then what are your claims to me ???
    And something, looking at the TV, well, I don’t see allies talking in those talking heads, these Jewish clubs at night, these disputes, how to equip Russia? ''
    I advise you to read the classics ... and on the drum to me and Aksenov and Crimea.
    But Aksenov ,, Island of Crimea '' is vech !!!
  29. Antares
    Antares 10 March 2018 16: 10
    0
    The point is to pour over Belarus once again (because the wave on the Republic of Belarus is growing now, as the flow of money declines, cut off all expenses and load for the last money) if
    Who talked with the Republic of Belarus in general about the events in the Crimea before making decisions? Who then discussed with the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan, the future step, the consequences and the united front? After all, in fact, the Russian Federation itself did everything and put all before the fact. And now the author requires the automatic acceptance of the fact in front of the allies! With whom they did not even discuss this action!
    And the technique, frankly worse than the American or European (we feed you, do as we say) ... they at least discuss their steps.
    You make the Republic of Belarus and the Republic of Kazakhstan “New Ukraine” with your own hands on the thumb, while at the same time say in every possible way that it is they themselves.
    The one-man step in the problem (Crimea) is required to be shared by all, while not guaranteeing or compensating for anything. Without discussing it in advance ....
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 11 March 2018 12: 29
      0
      Either an ally, or on its own. Freedom - the will.
  30. d1975
    d1975 11 March 2018 00: 51
    +2
    Quote: Darkesstcat
    And you asked Putin what is more profitable for him, the Minsk site or the official Crimea recognition?

    Respect would not hurt you! am Putin is capitalized!