Gazprom begins the procedure of termination of contracts with Naftogaz

Another urgent news came from Gazprom. The company begins the procedure for terminating contracts with Naftogaz of Ukraine for the supply and transit of gas, the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, told reporters, RNS news agency reported

Gazprom is forced to immediately begin the procedure for termination of contracts with the NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine for the supply and transit of gas in the Stockholm Arbitration

Said Miller.

He noted that the decision of the Stockholm arbitration on the proceedings between the companies significantly upset the balance of interests of the parties under these contracts.

The Stockholm arbitration, guided by double standards, made an asymmetric decision on gas supply and transit contracts with NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine. Thus, the arbitration decision significantly violated the balance of interests of the parties under these contracts. The arbitrators argued their decision a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy. We are categorically opposed to resolving Ukraine’s economic problems at our expense. In such a situation, the continuation of contracts for Gazprom is economically inexpedient and disadvantageous.

- noted Miller.

28 February The Stockholm Arbitration made a final decision on the arbitration between Gazprom and Naftogaz Ukrainy under a contract for the transit of gas through the territory of Ukraine.

Of the claims filed by Naftogaz in the amount of $ 17 billion, the arbitrators satisfied the claims in the amount of $ 4,673 billion in connection with the supply of gas for its transit to European consumers in a smaller volume than was provided for by the contract.

Taking into account the amount previously awarded in favor of Gazprom under the supply contract, the arbitrators set off counter claims, following which Gazprom is obliged to pay Naftogaz $ 2,56 billion.

Comments

[Sofa General]

Woke up.
This had to be done even earlier.
Or did they receive the FAS command from GDP?
Businessmen, their mother ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

For a long time it was already necessary to do this .. Although you can’t get rid of these "brothers" just like that ..! They love a freebie, they’ll obviously come up with something else, how to milk Russia!

[reibert]

GTS 60% transit to the EU. There will be blackmail.

[Andrey K]

Quote: reibert

... GTS 60% transit to the EU. There will be blackmail ...

Whose blackmail? Blackmail whom?
That is, it is necessary to continue pumping gas, despite the fact that because of this pumping, Gazprom was awarded a fine?
Have you read the arbitration decision?
Read, you will learn a lot of new things.
The Stockholm Arbitration Commission imposed a fine on Gazprom, in fact, because Naftogaz Ukrainy, due to a “sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy,” did not pay its volumes, and the reduced flow to the GTS due to non-payment was blamed on Gazprom.
Where is the economy of Ukraine and where is Gazprom?
Savage math, don’t you?

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Andrey K

Whose blackmail? Blackmail whom?

The Stockholm arbitration, guided by double standards, the Arbitrators argued their decision with a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy.

Europe will now be nervous, the frosts are not over yet, but now the stripes and the coast are becoming more active - finally it will be possible to put tackers into work

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

now I’m activating striped and balts - finally, it will be possible to put tackers into work

So, the same mattresses are quite active, they also feel cold. Where did the first gas carrier from Yamal go there?

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Paranoid50

Where did the first gas carrier from Yamal go there?

and the reverse is democratic supplies at affordable prices

[210ox]

It’s not a matter of reversing fie. Let them live as they want. His Majesty-Transit! Or I don’t understand something. Do we block gas to Europe through Ukraine? I won’t believe it. It’s not right. EXACTLY. As long as the contract is terminated Stockholm arbitration. Not everything is lost for them.

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

Quote: Paranoid50

Where did the first gas carrier from Yamal go there?

and the reverse is democratic supplies at affordable prices

[zloybond]

not. they stop specifically sending Ukraine. Geyropa while the client. But the fact that they deliberately drove themselves into debt ... it smells like the theft of state property. BUT it seems as always, nothing will be for anyone. The costs are offset by their own people. A little later.

[Thrall]

And even 37 "Javelins" will not save the father of Ukrainian democracy

[Genry]

Sorry, wedge with my ...

[alexmach]

What debts are they purposefully driving themselves into? Gazprom, by the letter of these treaties, was simply king. Do you know such a Tymoshenko? She was also sentenced for signing treason for treason of state interests.

[Angel_and_Demon]

The company begins the process of termination of contracts with Naftogaz of Ukraine for the supply and gas transit

officially said - transit

[alexmach]

Ours block gas to Europe through Ukraine? I won’t believe it. There is something wrong. EXACTLY. As long as the contract is broken in the Stockholm arbitration.

Most likely so far only verbal interventions .. Although, if you shut off the gas as quickly as possible, until it warms up ... it would be nice about 2 weeks ago, when the cold was only creeping up.

But I repeat, you are right, as long as they probably only frighten us and deal with the “Stockholm” ones. Shutting off gas to Europe would mean giving their market to someone, and also calling into question all the pipelines currently under construction.

[hrych]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

and the reverse is democratic supplies at affordable prices

Gazprom’s actions, or rather the RF, were carried out the day after the “Wrath of the Gods” weapon was unveiled, when the entire West, led by the USA, or rather the New World Order, was mixed with manure, thrown down from the planetary throne A blow to the West and the Independent terrible weapon — a gas pipe — is also a preventive measure against the impending APU offensive against Novorossia, because the law has been passed, they were preparing a Croatian script before the election, but I’m afraid Moroz, who’s also Fierce, as always stood on the side of the Hyperboreans Now it will not be before the offensive. There is still one trump card in this game - the abolition of the subordination of the Russian Federation to the ECHR, and the Stockholm court itself will also not be recognized by the Russian Federation, most likely. There is absolutely nothing to replenish Russian gas in the EU and their defeat is inevitable. In the coming days, we expect from the Supreme yet extraordinary moves for example refusal to pay for gas in eureka, and demand a clean little gold

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: hrych

There is still one trump card in this game - the abolition of the subordination of the Russian Federation to the ECHR, and the Stockholm court itself will also not be recognized by the Russian Federation, most likely. There is absolutely nothing to replenish Russian gas in the EU and their defeat is inevitable. In the coming days, we are expecting from the Supreme yet extraordinary moves, for example, refusing to pay for gas in Eureka, and demanding a clean little gold

Well, you can and in rubles - then immediately go into the category of very popular currencies

[hrych]

No, it’s not necessary, we have an internal ruble zone, the same defense in our rubles. Yes, and why do we need rubles, we print them ourselves and if they change their Euros into rubles, then the same thing will turn out ... The whole point is to break the bonds of world order when trading houses and banking structures decided to seize power on the Planet. All of them are from merchants - trading houses of the Genoese, Venetians and other scum affiliated with the Vatican and provided with mercenaries - knights and part of their orders engaged in bankruptcy (Templars, Lombards), which degenerated into Freemasonry, and after the destruction of the Empires (Chinese, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian , Russian, German, etc.) The British, Dutch and Belgian black aristocracy, who came to power through the bourgeois revolutions and the appointees of this kodla. In short, their system based on the control of world trade, finance, etc., rested on military superiority, now it is gone. By the way, the USSR, proclaiming the desire for communism, etc., did not refuse money, the rules of world trade, etc. Naturally, it fell because it played according to their rules, and they managed to deflate the USSR’s gold reserve (party gold) by selling American wheat, taking advantage of the crop failure, deliberate price reduction having control of light Arabian oil (which is now bye-bye) and so on. Stalin sent the tsar's gold (though he had to knock out accounts with Leninists) for industrialization, exchanged it for machines and technologies, then put it on Lendliz, i.e. directly to the war that we were able to win and became a nuclear and space power. But the Communist Party about ... pooped everything that is possible, including and country. Now we have saved a little gold, etc. our combat power surpasses, they no longer have a monopoly on machine tools, technologies and consumer goods. World consumer goods has moved to the Asia-Pacific region. Half of the US oil has to be purchased, the EU depends on supplies for 75%, there is nothing in Japan, and China also for 80, and in fact up to 90% depends on oil imports. And how evil are the main reserves in Venezuela, Iran and the Russian Federation, which are not favored by the West. The Russian leader in production, bypassed the Saudis. However, one feature of 70% of the oil on the market is the Middle East, which is why there are wars. In 2013, on the Syrian shelf, Americans and Norwegians drilling under contract discovered a super deposit, chaos began, but Putin took and captured the Syrian coast, in Iraq, by hook or by crook, we got West Qurna, agreeing to the overthrow of Saddam and wiped out the Norwegians, having bought their share Kurny. The Russian Federation is not only the first in oil production, but also actively captures the oil deposits of the Middle East. The forecast of the Russian Federation ... favorable

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: hrych

The forecast of the Russian Federation ... favorable

Well then take physical gold and not gold certificates, of which, according to statistics, if I’m not mistaken, 3 times more have already been issued than was mined in the entire history of mankind

[Orionvit]

Quote: hrych

And why do we need rubles, we print them ourselves laughing

Is that a joke? Can you remind me to whom the central bank of Russia reports? Certainly not the government.

[Kurare]

Quote: hrych

There is still one trump card in this game - the abolition of the subordination of the Russian Federation to the ECHR, and the Stockholm court itself will also not be recognized by the Russian Federation, most likely.

These are two huge differences, the ECHR and the Stockholm Arbitration Court. The ECHR is a purely political structure and was based on the principles and values ​​of the EU. The Stockholm Arbitration Court is one of the most “favorite” neutral institutions that are set out in international agreements. Why is Stockholm? Swedish substantive law is the most neutral both to the buyer and to the seller. Alternative: Swiss substantive law and arbitration court in Zurich.
But, as you can see, the little pier came out and the Swedes took a not quite neutral position. I think that now all contracts of Gazprom, and of other Russian state structures, will include arbitration in another country. And these are quite serious losses, both image-building and financial, for Stockholm.

[dauria]

But, as you can see, the little pier came out and the Swedes took a not quite neutral position

"I will complain to the king !!! I will complain to the king !!! Crumbs, follow me!"
Gazprom SAM chose this court. This time. He will have to prove the “non-neutrality” of the court (I wonder, is this provided? And in what court?) These are two.
All of his further actions - contract breaks, valve shutoffs ... Gazprom can attach to anything, but not to a court decision. So you have to come up with a good reason, or pay will have to be great.

[sharp-lad]

The reason has already been clearly identified, as in the allegations of doping, how beneficial it is for the “West” to reason. This is not arbitration, but a parody of a fair trial!

[Kurare]

Quote: dauria

Gazprom SAM chose this court. This time. He will have to prove the “non-neutrality” of the court (I wonder, is this provided? And in what court?) These are two.

Yes, Gazprom itself chose this court because, as I already wrote, the Swedish substantive right is very clear and without special twists, which provide opportunities for interpretation. By the way, Russian substantive law is also quite clear and without interpretation. But, this is not a neutral right when drawing up international treaties when one of the parties is from Russia.
In cases of disagreement, only the place of arbitration and the legislator is prescribed in the contracts. You can try to prove "not neutral" in the WTO. But, as you know, this is an empty lesson.

[staviator]

And these are quite serious losses, both image-building and financial, for Stockholm.

Making such an ambiguous decision with inadequate wording, the Stockholm court seems to have bitten itself for a ... bog. A serious business will think twice before registering the services of the Swedes in the contract, who are subject to external pressure and the adoption of obviously biased decisions.

[Kurare]

Quote: staviator

Making such an ambiguous decision with inadequate wording, the Stockholm court seems to have bitten itself for a ... elbow.

I will say even more: in Russia there are many state-owned enterprises that can simply be prohibited from registering arbitration in Stockholm.

[Antares]

Quote: hrych

the abolition of the subordination of the Russian Federation by the ECHR, and in fact the Stockholm court will also not be recognized by the Russian Federation, most likely.

and where does the Russian Federation, if we are talking about a company? Gazprom indicated in the contract a place where problematic issues would be resolved. This is not about the state, but about the company.
Moreover, Gazprom also intends to file a lawsuit with the supreme court of Sweden.
What I would like to note .. when Ukraine lost the arbitration, the comments were completely different. Speech about Gazprom, immediately different. Gazprom, however, was given up its hands in paying for transit. Ukraine's hoteliers did not crawl through. All internal suits too.

[Midshipman]

It's not that he lost or won, but another egregious insolence towards Russia, which they want to make pay for someone else's banquet.

[hrych]

Quote: Antares

Gazprom, however, was untied in payment of transit

Gazprom is a state corporation with a state share of more than 50%. Therefore, this is the property of the state of the Russian Federation. But there will be no transit, that’s the thing. The Nord Stream has a reserve for pumping volumes of 10%, but there is an opportunity to exceed pressure, Yamal-Europe also has a reserve of up to 15% in capacity, there are Gazprom storage facilities in Germany, Britain, Austria and ... Latvia. Those. contracts will be fulfilled, in summer the volume of consumption drops, but we’ll see additional ones due to abnormal frosts ... We have been preparing for this for a very long time and there is a plan.

[Operator]

As far as I know, at present “Nord Stream” has a reserve of 50% (it is half full). The reserve will be enough to ensure the full supply of Germany, Austria, France and Britain in the event of the termination of gas transit through the outskirts.

And all sorts of Holland, Belgium, Italy, Greece, Romania, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia, Hungary will freeze a little - they are not used to it.

[svd-xnumx]

What I would like to note .. when Ukraine lost the arbitration, the comments were completely different. Speech about Gazprom, immediately different.

This is due to significant differences: Ukraine owes Gazprom for the physical gas that was supplied and safely capitalized (and the arbitration cut the price), and Gazprom must pay the ruin for the services that were not rendered, that is, the rule of take or pay in the supply contract was canceled, and in the transit contract, almost such a clause was left in effect (I don’t know if there is a clause in the contract about a fine for reducing transit).

[fan_]

Elegantly invented for the Wrath of the Gods Vote on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

[Vlad.by]

What is the ..fig reverse if the Europeans themselves are cold?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

let tuckers work

They don’t have as many tankers.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Gray Brother

They don’t have as many tankers.

take the barrels in tow

[Gray brother]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

take the barrels in tow

Balloons can be inflated with gas.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Gray Brother

Balloons can be inflated with gas.

and not only

[DMB_95]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

Europe will now be nervous, frosts are not over yetbut now the stripes and the Baltic states are becoming more active - finally, it will be possible to put tankers into operation

And it was necessary to close the valve before frost.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Andrey K

Where is the economy of Ukraine and where is Gazprom?
Savage math, don’t you?

Judah considers everything Russia and believes .. And we pay, bye!

[Cutter]

Where is the economy of Ukraine and where is Gazprom?
Savage math, don’t you?

It’s hard for me, Russian colleagues, to determine the behavior of your enterprises, but here, Andrei-K completely agrees with my colleague ... All these European courts will award heresy in principle: they have already suffered, take pity on them at 2,6 billion . $ ... forgive the debt, but ... better pay them !!!!!! Gazprom is right (my opinion) ... There is nothing to feed the creatures!

[sharp-lad]

Moreover, the fascist banderastan and the mattress harem (geyropa) themselves have been asking for trouble for several years. It was high time for Russia to act with the “partners” according to their own rules, but on their own terms.

[alexmach]

The Stockholm Arbitration Commission imposed a fine on Gazprom, in fact, because Naftogaz Ukrainy, due to a “sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy,” did not pay its volumes, and the reduced flow to the GTS due to non-payment was blamed on Gazprom.

You, in my opinion, have not read it yourself. a fine was rolled in for Gazprom pumping to Europe through the Ukrainian GTS less than promised under the contract. Ukrainian gas becomes the property of Ukraine at the border crossing and is not included in transit volumes through the territory of Ukraine. Its transit through Ukraine is already the business of Ukraine.

[Andrey K]

Quote: alexmach

... I think you yourself did not read it. a fine was rolled in for Gazprom pumping to Europe through the Ukrainian GTS less than promised under the contract. Ukrainian gas becomes the property of Ukraine at the border crossing and is not included in transit volumes through the territory of Ukraine. Its transit through Ukraine is already the business of Ukraine ...

You lie and write a gag.
Reread the decision of the arbitration, and at the same time contracts with Naftogaz, in terms of pumping.
Gas, with border crossing to / from Ukraine, never was not Ukrainian. He is Russian, right up to the points of gas reception and delivery located on the western borders of the second-hand Ukraine.

[alexmach]

No, you’re lying and writing a gag here. At the same time, by the way, you are also breaking the rules of the forum.

This is transit gas, in fact the volumes that under the contract Gazprom undertook to pump through Ukraine to Europe were never Ukrainian. But the gas that was previously supplied to Ukraine (well, actually the difference between gas pumped from Russia and gas pumped to Europe) is Ukrainian from the moment of crossing the border, Ukraine disposes of it at its discretion and Gazprom does not pay Ukraine for pumping it through the Ukrainian gas transmission system, it’s her Ukraine matters where and how it pumps it. Accordingly, the refusal of Ukraine to acquire gas from Gazprom at Gazprom's volumes pumped to Europe does not directly affect it. Lie and write a gag.

[Andrey K]

Quote: alexmach

... you break the forum rules ...

It is good that the rules on the forum are not set by you.
There would be no forum, but your monologue with false promises.

Quote: alexmach

... which was previously supplied to Ukraine (well, actually the difference between gas pumped from Russia and gas pumped to Europe) is Ukrainian from the moment of crossing the border, Ukraine disposes of it at its discretion and Gazprom does not pay Ukraine for pumping it through the Ukrainian gas transmission system, it is Ukraine matters where and how she pumps it ...

It was said that Gazprom was fined "for unpaid gas" Naftogaz "on their own second-hand in / on Ukrainian consumption. Just for that "difference" by which "Gazprom" has reduced the occupancy of the unnecessary Maidana GTS.
There is no Ukrainian gas in the pipe; the maydaunas simply did not buy it. In my previous comment there wasn’t even a hint that there could be “Ukrainian” gas at the pick-up point. How could he be there if he was not paid? Therefore, in the calculation, "wet dreams" Maidan dealers did not take.
Do not fence the garden if you do not follow the topic.

[alexmach]

There is no Ukrainian gas in the pipe; the maydaunas simply did not buy it.

And if it were, it would still not affect the volume of transit to Europe ...

It was said that Gazprom was fined "for unpaid gas" Naftogaz "on their own b / y in / on Ukrainian consumption

Oh no. He was fined for reducing the volume of gas pumped to Europe. At the very points of control over the western border of Ukraine, gas came less than the minimum prescribed in the contract.

Do not fence the garden if you do not follow the topic.

You then follow, only in my opinion, you have little understanding of what you are following.

[Andrey K]

Quote: alexmach

... And if it were, it would still not affect the volumes of transit to Europe ...

If yes, if only ...
Maybe enough already gag

Quote: alexmach

... Yes, no. He was fined for reducing the volume of gas pumped to Europe. At the very points of control over the western border of Ukraine, gas came less than the minimum prescribed in the contract ...

Read the arbitration decision, no need to invent.

Quote: alexmach

... You then follow, only in my opinion, you have little understanding of what to follow ...

You have not beguiled anything, taking the burden on yourself, to give assessments to the level of my understanding?

[alexmach]

Read the arbitration decision, no need to invent.

Please tell me the source where you can read the original of this solution. I appeal to you as a person who monitors the situation and, in your own words, understands it.

[Andrey K]

Quote: alexmach

... Please tell me the source where you can read the original of this solution. I appeal to you as a person who monitors the situation and, in your own words, understands it ...

Man, I killed you a lot of time. Take the trouble to search for yourself. To give lectures on the "decision" of the Stockholm arbitration, I was not hired.
Boy you are smart, persistently inquisitive. I’m just sure of you.
Please note that there is not a word about a violation of contractual obligations in relation to European consumers. Only pity for the country 404, formulated by the phrase of the judges about "a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy."
Good luck to you

[Town Hall]

Quote: Andrey K

Man, I killed you a lot of time. Take the trouble to search for yourself. To give lectures on the "decision" of the Stockholm arbitration, I was not hired.
Boy you are smart, persistently inquisitive. I’m just sure of you.
Please note that there is not a word about a violation of contractual obligations in relation to European consumers. Only pity for the country 404, formulated by the phrase of the judges about "a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy."
Good luck to you

In the local jargon, this is called-merged ....

[Andrey K]

Quote: Town Hall

... In the local jargon this is called-merged ...

Did you want to say something?
Or have you decided to teach me jargon lessons?
Without jargon, this is called a lack of desire to feed the trolls. A bastard, start over - you can do it yourself, without me.

[alexmach]

Well, that is, you yourself have not seen this court decision, as I understand it, in your eyes either. Only advice to give me much.

Man, I killed you a lot of time. Take the trouble to search for yourself.

You see what’s the matter, I did bother before writing this to you ... Strange, you had enough time for jokes about the “grandmother who would be grandfather”, but there wasn’t enough time to argue your position with facts.

Boy you are smart, persistently inquisitive. I’m just sure of you.

Clever, persistent, He speaks a little foreign languages, not all of course, but some. I imagine for a little bit what it is to read a court decision in general and in a language other than your native language in particular ..

[Andrey K]

Quote: alexmach

... Well, that is, you yourself have not seen this court decision, as I understand it, in your eyes either. Only advice to give me much ...

That's right, I advised you to familiarize yourself with the court decision. What do you think of there further - I am not interested.

Quote: alexmach

... You see what’s the matter, I did bother before writing this to you ... Strange, here’s enough time for jokes about the "grandmother who would be grandfather", but in order to argue your position with facts - not...

You see what’s the matter, I did not impose on you interlocutors. And pour from empty to empty, I have no interest. The facts are stated in the decision of the arbitration, I repeat for the tenth time - look and find out.
And yes! How can I spend my personal time - watch jokes from Putin or comment on your speculation, let me decide. Whether it is strange to you or not, these are your oddities.

Quote: alexmach

... Smart, persistent, He knows a little foreign languages, not all of course, but some. I imagine for a little bit what it is to read a court decision in general and in a language other than your native language in particular ..

I didn’t doubt you. However, I am not interested in how many languages ​​you speak. Read from right to left or from bottom to top. On the branch, you can whistle whatever you want.
Colleague, do not flood. They wrote a lot and all about nothing.
I found out your understanding of the decision, you figured out my position. Although it was clearly and unequivocally written above.
For sim - good luck to you.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: reibert

There will be blackmail.

noooooo ... it’ll just be cold to someone !!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: reibert

GTS 60% transit to the EU. There will be blackmail.

Well, and in more detail about who would blackmail whom and with what, it was not enough to write ink?

[karish]

Quote: Piramidon

Well, and in more detail about who would blackmail whom and with what, it was not enough to write ink?

Gazprom cannot terminate the contract unilaterally.
Although of course it can - but you have to answer in court and justify it.
They will pay a couple more lards of compensation to Nafta and this will end the matter.
\ and all will remain in their own interests.
Russia without a couple of three lard bucks - but with a sense of greatness.
Ukraine with 4-5 lard compensation and for the money purchased gas through Poland and Hungary.
I'll buy a ticket to the conductor on foot.

[wer2]

Quote: karish

I'll buy a ticket to the conductor on foot.

That's not all. 70-80% of its own and Belarusian capacities for pumping all gas to Europe are enough today. This means that revenue will be less. And noticeably.
From this we draw a simple conclusion, the message under discussion is just a newspaper duck. And there is nothing to discuss here.

[kapitan92]

Quote: reibert

GTS 60% transit to the EU. There will be blackmail.

And Western sanctions are not blackmail? What goes around comes around, says the Russian proverb.
They dismissed you, the whole west should get used to the idea that you are all cannon fodder for mattresses, and the territory from which the blow will be struck in Russia will be destroyed.
It was enough for my country of the Second World War, to free you "woodpeckers", history does not teach you anything, then you will pay with the lives of your loved ones. Something like that!
PySy. This time we will not save Krakow!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: reibert

GTS 60% transit to the EU. There will be blackmail.

I hope Gazprom / Russia will take a tough stance and will not accept any compensation: she died so she died. Let Europe, especially the Germans, the French and the Poles, in the first place, tune their fosterlings to the true path.
Although, according to the experience of Latvia, it is known that without work a gas transportation system is destroyed very quickly.

[Major Yurik]

That's how the morning of the chief of "Naftogaz" will begin somehow!

[Piramidon]

Quote: MIKHAN

It has long been necessary to do this.

C'mon. Earlier, later. The main thing is to hope that this will really be not in words but in deeds. Maybe Europe and its courts will now think how to freeze their ass.

[alexmach]

I'm afraid the Swedish asses are completely safe.

[Alex-a832]

Long and carefully selected the moment. Sooner or later, the effect would not be the same. Now the grand-Ukrainians have cut off the topic of the privatization of the GTS and the EU has put on a rake with the question SP-2. And how is it that with the help of great-screening from best friends outside the puddle and from the EU, only javelins for sugrev?
Everything is beautiful!

[Ascetic]

Quote: MIKHAN

It has long been necessary to do this.

Now gas transit to Europe through Nezalezhnaya will be called that ..

in 2019, when the contract officially ends, consider the topic gas movements bypassing stupid bodies.

[siberalt]

Heh. What then will Naftagaz trade if more than half of Ukrainian gas is no longer his? And it’s time for Miller to drill wells on the Black Sea shelf to provide gas to the Crimea. Not everything depends on profit.

[Antares]

Quote: siberalt

And it’s time for Miller to drill wells on the Black Sea shelf to provide Crimea with gas

Gas fields in the Ukrainian economic zone. So they are already suing for pumping gas at 10 billion rubles ..

[Vlad.by]

Where did you see the economic zone of Ukraine in the Russian Sea?
Wait, answer for Odessa!

[Vend]

Quote: Sofa General

Woke up.
This had to be done even earlier.
Or did they receive the FAS command from GDP?
Businessmen, their mother ...

The time has come.

[seti]

Well, thank God. Woke up. This had to be done three years ago.

[marline]

Or maybe because three years ago there were no daggers?
Yesterday, Putin spoke directly about weapons, Miller about gas ...
How is it on zombie TV: Coincidence? ....

[Vlad.by]

Quote: merlin

Or maybe because three years ago there were no daggers?
Yesterday, Putin spoke directly about weapons, Miller about gas ...
How is it on zombie TV: Coincidence? ....

Well, yes, and General Frost on the skin ...

[Kurare]

Quote: seti

This had to be done three years ago.

And on what basis? Breaking the contract unilaterally is a huge cost! And here - there are compelling arguments.

[seti]

Do not tell my boots .. There was no good reason? State coup in then Ukraine is not a good reason? Attacks on everything connected with the Russian Federation .. Like the statements of the lost leadership of this country about the "war with Russia"?
We are fighting, according to them, what kind of transit are you talking about?

[Kurare]

Quote: seti

Do not tell my boots .. There was no good reason? State coup in then Ukraine is not a good reason? Attacks on everything connected with the Russian Federation .. Like the statements of the lost leadership of this country about the "war with Russia"?
We are fighting, according to them, what kind of transit are you talking about?

The contract is concluded with a commercial organization, and not with the state of Ukraine. Although Naftogaz is partly owned by Ukraine, it is still a commercial structure.
Do not confuse, as the way they do in Europe and Ukraine, politics and the economy.

[Kasym]

Unpaid gas supply at the beginning of 2014. was already the reason for the revision of all contracts. But Gazprom put on an advance payment - even then Poroshenko would start to break his head, like patching holes in the budget, and not fight.
The transit of about 2 billion dollars for Kiev will be lost now. As I understand it, schools and universities were closed due to the cold until 4.03. I remember how Poroshenko said for the education of the children of Donbass. Now they themselves are forced to close this study. And what will happen next. year with heating? In fact, this event is at least 2-3g. it was necessary to carry out back - many were waiting for it.

[Kurare]

Quote: Kasym

Unpaid gas supply at the beginning of 2014. was already the reason for the revision of all contracts.

Until this action is proved in the legal field prescribed in the contract, there is no reason and cannot be. Subjectivity is not an assistant in business.

[vasya.pupkin]

Quote: seti

Well, thank God. Woke up. This had to be done three years ago.

Four years. And it is necessary to stop the supply of tanning salons for ukrofascist tanks, coal, electric energy and bills to the Ukrainian economy.

[cariperpaint]

all contracts with Europe are tied to transit contracts. what is happening now is just understandable. after such a court decision, new ones will go much worse. up to this point, all deliveries were not to Ukraine. they just made transit. so the decision is logical to terminate the contracts. now the costs will be lower. but after that new contracts will be concluded and as I understand it, all the risks there will be removed nafig

[demo]

Russia sells gas at a metering station located on our territory.
If the transiter is stealing, or he is at war, then what are your complaints?
We are not obliged to restore order in the territory of a foreign state.

[sogdy]

Quote: demo

If the transiter is stealing, or he is at war, then what are your complaints?

The Stockholm court decided otherwise. That is, he destroyed all ideas about the Contract. With which he was congratulated.

[alexmach]

Actually, he acted solely on the letter of the contract ... but only in one case out of two.

[sogdy]

Sorry, but for what purpose are you writing nonsense? You are not interesting to me. To whom?

[Chestnut]

I don’t believe such an enterprise is weak for ours, they decided to nightmare empty threats. This is a very big step, the consequences will be serious.

[Idunavs]

Yah. Winter is ending, consumption is dropping, and this is a signal that SP-2 should be completed in the summer.

[Chief Starshin]

From the beginning over to complete the Streams ...
And then, swinging Checkers for a hollow. Turn on the head who is the end customer. Citizens of Euro priests. They replenished the budget like drug addicts and sat on a gas needle.
And now the money will not drip. And others will take over the market.
It is necessary to solve this issue differently without global damage to the US.
But in consequence with a radical result for Naftogaz.

[alexmach]

So it’s exactly what they decide. How many years have alternative flows been built, starting with SP-1? Yes, and as they wrote above, most likely they will not physically block anything and will continue to butt in court, incline to a more sane position.

[sharp-lad]

And who slowed down the "Streams"? Now let them run the acceleration! The market will take WHO? Americans buying gas in winter? Or Qatar with Azerbaijan through a virtual pipe?

[demo]

Not. The blow must be struck in such a way that it doesn’t work out as in the well-known case - a rat, driven into a corner, can attack its pursuer many times stronger than it.
If we cut gas in the coldest weeks of the year, then unpredictable consequences could occur, including fatal cases.
And so spring is on its way.
Nothing out of the ordinary will happen.
People will freeze. but don't freeze to death.

[alexmach]

No, with the weather it’s just a coincidence, in fact it’s a reaction to the court’s decision.

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: Sofa General

Woke up.

Yeah, when Naftagaz won the trial by 4,63 billion Baku. Now they will pay again at our expense.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Anti-Corr.

Quote: Sofa General

Woke up.

Yeah, when Naftagaz won the trial by 4,63 billion Baku. Now they will pay again at our expense.

Looking at your mattress flag, this comment introduces into a stupor: who will pay to whom and for whom
I do not exclude that Russia, following the example of the United States, will put a bolt on the decisions of these international courts if they take deliberately unreasonable decisions. Or honestly or in any way.

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: Alex-a832

I do not exclude that Russia, following the example of the United States, will put a bolt on the decisions of these international courts if they take deliberately unreasonable decisions.

No, I won’t put it, the bolts are different ...

Quote: Alex-a832

Looking at your mattress flag, this comment puts into a stupor

Well, what to look then? You are a member of this one, like him, well, the WTO.

Quote: Alex-a832

who will pay to whom and for whom

In this case, we, as taxpayers, will pay the debts of Gazprom, since the amount recovered by the court will be compensated from the budget.

[Maz]

The question is how the USA will react to this - the real Khazyayev of Ukraine. Judging by the nonsense, they will yell right now about the noose around the neck of the ukronarod, saying that Russia will tighten the gas loop. Listening to the news.

[Incvizitor]

Let them take their Pennsylvania gas to them.

[stalkerwalker]

T.N. The Stockholm court ruled based on "the difficult economic situation of Banderostan"And not according to the letter of law. Thereby was previous contract of Gazprom and Naftogaz declared null and void to buy gas last from the first, i.e. Stockholm “buried” previous contracts and arrangements. And the generous Naftogaz workers decided to buy more gas from the "aggressor", from whom they did not buy, according to their statements, for more than 2 years.

[Spartanez300]

Arbitration, the courts we need it, chopped off and all is not debt.

[Grim Reaper]

It's not for long. Nevertheless, it is nice to look at the tantrum on Ukrainian sites. At least for a couple of weeks.

[Kent0001]

Che, again Ukrainians will be drown with gas for us? How much can you endure this scum in Kiev? It was high time to freeze the entire hohlostan (a couple of years ago at least), or are they still our “brothers” chtol?

[alexmach]

And what woke up, until the last decision of the Stockholm court with this contract everything was in order. I already wrote here that even the abolition of "take or pay" for Ukraine is quite a normal and reasonable move. But the application of the same principle to Gazprom transit looks, well, generally strange.

[tap]

What a twist!

[seti]

And do not say - I did not believe in this. I hope everything remains valid.

[Don]

So the Europeans did not hide that they would support Ukraine at the expense of Russia. 4 billion loan will not be returned, 2,5 should give Gazprom. Further more. How much did they bring to court in Russia for the Crimea, Donbass? That will consistently satisfy their claims. They themselves are to blame for signing contracts in European arbitrations.

[Alexander War]

The company begins the process of terminating contracts with Naftogaz Ukrainy for the supply and transit of gas. Let them jump further.

[Masya masya]

Arbitrators argued their decision with a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy. We are categorically against the solution of economic problems of Ukraine at our expense.

and it is right! better late than never ... freeze, freeze wolf tail ...

[Alexander War]

freeze freeze wolf tail

[Herculesic]

Marina - Ideally, this should have been done in the 14th year!

[Masya masya]

Vitalievich when did we have at least something ideally? as always through one place ... until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Masya Masya

and it is right! better late than never ... freeze, freeze wolf tail ..

I can imagine what howling European "institutions" will raise. The ruin will be unscrewed by reverse and lose more on this than it was awarded in Stockholm. But the pipelines and equipment providing transit through the Ruin must be put to long-term repair (profit is nothing, ecology is everything, you see).

[Snail N9]

Well, how will it all look? The joke is that Gazprom has pledged to supply certain volumes of gas to the EU through Ukraine - if the contract for gas transit is broken with Naftogaz, then how Gazprom is going to supply gas to European consumers who signed a contract for the purchase of gas through the Ukrainian hub "? This gas cannot be transferred to them via the Nord Stream, which means that Gazprom will have to pay a forfeit for the “disruption of supplies” .... Again, the loss of money and reputation also solders fines for the “disruption of the contract” ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Snail N9

The joke is

“Until the last decision of the international arbitration in Stockholm on the severance of gas contracts with Kiev in Moscow, there was no question - the agreements concluded with great difficulty were valid until the end of 2019, and everyone understood that they were necessary. But the Stockholm court posed a serious question to the Russian Federation:" Gazprom is billed for not pumping gas volumes. Ukraine is not billed for unselected volumes because the country has a difficult economy. But Kiev, for some reason, buys gas from Europe at a price higher than offers Russia.
The court took into account the Ukrainian mitigating circumstances, but did not hear Russian arguments. And the danger lies not even in the decision made, but in the fact that if Gazprom pumped volumes less than contracted through Ukraine next year, Kiev could again bill Moscow several billion. For Russia, this is unacceptable - why should we support the Ukrainian economy at our own expense? The Russian Federation is not a charitable organization, and if the contract incurs direct losses to Gazprom, then it must be canceled "

[Town Hall]

Quote: Silvestr

But the Stockholm court posed a serious question for the Russian Federation: Gazprom was billed for not having pumped some gas volumes. Ukraine is not billed for unselected volumes,

The court so fined Naftogaz for 2 yards of dollars as it were .... come up with a different version

[lBEARl]

The court didn’t fine Naftogaz, but recovered the debt for gas delivered in 14-15 but not paid ... and Russia was fined precisely for violating the principle of download or pay (which, by the way, is not provided for by the contract) ... feel the difference : get money for the delivered goods or get 2 times more for free (for services not rendered).

[sogdy]

Quote: Snail N9

The joke is that Gazprom has pledged to supply certain volumes of gas to the EU through Ukraine

The joke is that "through Ukraine" in the Eurocontract NO.

[sharp-lad]

And is this nothing that the seller has been offering customers for several years to abandon the capricious bow and switch to direct deliveries? Question! Have you ever seen the whole bazaar running after a customer? In life, something like a turn, the buyer runs around the market! And it is necessary to return to this normal situation.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Lelek

The ruin will be twisted due to the reverse

How can she get out if Ruin bought transit Gazprom gas from Slovakia, Hungary and Poland. Now there will be no transit and the Slovaks with the Hungarians themselves would have had enough gas from the Nord Stream, because there Germany consumes well, Czechs, Austrians. There remains hope for the Poles, Gazprom’s Yamal-Europe goes through Poland, the Poles can reverse to Ukraine, although Ukraine produces its own gas, which goes to the population, but the industry worked on Gazprom’s gas, but now the Ukrainian industry doesn’t really need gas, it lies on sideways. Somehow I see a picture

[demo]

There remains hope for the Poles, the Gazprom Yamal-Europe goes through Poland, the Poles can reverse to Ukraine.

Yeah. Now they’ll do it. Only the law on Bandera and languages ​​must be repealed, the massacre recognized, and maybe then the Poles will think about it.
And so it is unlikely.

[Town Hall]

Quote: demo

There remains hope for the Poles, the Gazprom Yamal-Europe goes through Poland, the Poles can reverse to Ukraine.

Yeah. Now they’ll do it. Only the law on Bandera and languages ​​must be repealed, the massacre recognized, and maybe then the Poles will think about it.
And so it is unlikely.

"... Ukrainian Naftogaz signed an agreement for urgent gas supplies with the Polish company PGNiG. This was reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the message PGNiG.
“The contract is valid until the end of March 2018. The volume of the contract is more than 60 million cubic meters. Deliveries began today at 06.00 through the Hermanowice junction, which connects the Polish and Ukrainian gas transmission systems, ”the Polish company reports."


Calm down ... there will be no other losers besides Gazprom in this "war" ...

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Town Hall

there will be no other losers besides Gazprom in this "war" ...

And whether Ukraine will draw expensive American or Qatari liquefied gas from the regasification terminal of the Polish Swinoujscie, there will probably be a reverse from the Gazprom Yamal-Europe, so Gazprom will not remain without consumers, and the Poles, despite all the cries, do not intend to refuse cheap Russian gas.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Anatole Klim

Quote: Town Hall

there will be no other losers besides Gazprom in this "war" ...

And whether Ukraine will draw expensive American or Qatari liquefied gas from the regasification terminal of the Polish Swinoujscie, there will probably be a reverse from the Gazprom Yamal-Europe, so Gazprom will not remain without consumers, and the Poles, despite all the cries, do not intend to refuse cheap Russian gas.

Can you even imagine how many tens of yards of euro fines will be imposed by arbitrations throughout Europe on Gazprom for a unilateral unmotivated termination of gas supplies and transit? .... with this money Ukraine can import gas even from Mars)

[sogdy]

Quote: Town Hall

Can you even imagine how many tens of yards of euro fines will be imposed by arbitrations throughout Europe on Gazprom for a unilateral unmotivated termination of gas supplies and transit?

So it was said to them - Inna ...
The contract is violated by Europe. For the letter of the contract is above all. The question is raised about the existence of a contract system in general.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Town Hall

Can you even imagine how many tens of yards of euro fines will be imposed by arbitrations throughout Europe on Gazprom for a unilateral unmotivated

just motivated - in connection with economically unprofitable deliveries, by the decision of the same court, what do you think? can you be forced to sell something cheaper than you did it?

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Anatol Klim

and the Poles, despite all the cries, do not intend to give up cheap Russian gas.

they will also make money on it - losers

[sharp-lad]

Is Polish gas in Poland? And if Poland itself sells only contracted volumes? Yes, and what contracts now? If StockM arbitration didn’t give a damn about them!

[lBEARl]

On the last day of winter, Ukraine consumed 200 million cubic meters. Do you think that by the end of March 60 million will be enough ?!

[Snail N9]

.Ukrainian "Naftogaz" concluded an agreement for urgent gas supplies with the Polish company PGNiG.

So it was the turn of LNG terminals in Swinoujscie in Poland. The cool thing is that the loan to Ukraine for the purchase of American LNG by the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, as well as the IMF, is given "even now."

[Lelek]

Quote: Anatol Klim

How can she get out

You said everything correctly, since Ukrprom is on its side, gas consumption is relatively minimal. And the Ruin will get out if the reverse gas is given to it from the west and from Poland (if the dadu-dadu-give). Waltzman on the situation with Gazprom pronounces almost victorious reports (a sweet smile on the sour face):

And now the overseas “bomber” cast its voice:

[Seriomilander]

“The ruin will be unscrewed by reverse” - hardly, we will count:
Deliveries to Europe in 2016 were more than 150 billion cubic meters.
Nord Stream Max 55 billion cubic meters
Yamal (Belarus) - 32,9 billion cubic meters
Other gas pipelines in Belarus - max about 20 billion cubic meters
Total at maximum voltage 108 billion cubic meters
Europe will not receive more than 40 billion cubic meters. The question is, what nafig reverse? Reverse of what?
So Europe will miss 40-50 billion cubic meters, and Ukraine will find out that Slovak gas is a myth

PS Turks will not suffer, Turkish stream is almost ready:
Turkish stream - max. 15 billion cubic meters. (Through Ukraine in 2016 there were 11,5 billion cubic meters.)
Blue stream - max. 16 billion cubic meters. (In 2016, there were 12,84 billion cubic meters.)

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Masya Masya

. freeze, freeze wolf tail ...

[Herculesic]

Has it reached the fifth point that all courts will be against us? It was necessary to understand that playing on the field of Europe, hoping for a fair and impartial consideration of the claim was a meaningless exercise.

[Kurare]

Quote: Herkulesich

It was necessary to understand that playing on the field of Europe, hoping for a fair and impartial consideration of the claim was a meaningless exercise.

International contracts imply a neutral arbitral tribunal and substantive law. One of these ships is (was) Stockholm.

[sharp-lad]

With one attribute: IN THE PAST!

[KAV]

Quote: Herkulesich

Has it reached the fifth point that all courts will be against us? It was necessary to understand that playing on the field of Europe, hoping for a fair and impartial consideration of the claim was a meaningless exercise.

It is not a matter of whether or not it has reached. The fact is that initially a strategy for good behavior on our part was chosen. That is, we should not be the first to break the rules of the game. But when the violation on the part of the “partners” begins, then we can boldly do it and do it — we are leaving the agreements. Sometimes right away, sometimes we give 2-3 more attempts to “friends” to realize that they are wrong. All this has one main ultimate goal - to show prospective real partners that it is possible and necessary to deal with Russia, business, agreements, relations. For, Russia always keeps its word, even in conditions of diametrically opposed relations of friendship. Something like this.

[Herculesic]

Maybe Gazprom will now think about the internal consumer - how many people go for firewood without being able to gasify their own housing?

[Mountain shooter]

How much can be repeated. Gazprom DOES NOT DO GASIFICATION OF HOUSING! His business is high-pressure gas pipelines. And this is the business of local gas networks. District, provincial, etc.

[minus]

However, there are virtually no high-pressure networks to which the local gas network can connect !!!! I mean the reluctance to create inside the Russian backbone networks ....

[sogdy]

Quote: Minus

to which the local gas network can connect virtually none !!!! I mean the reluctance to create inside the Russian backbone networks ....

The condition for development is the sale of gas in the region. No networks - no sales, next!
I repeat once again that there is Gazprom, Rosneftegaz on the state contract - and there are regional developers at other wells, including the same BP and many others.

[Makcaga]

Yeah ... why are you happy? The transit will suffer ... Europeans will get furious and tune against us even more ...

[Sands Careers General]

So mad that on their knees crawl.

[Same lech]

Yeah ... why are you happy? The transit will suffer ...,

And you suggest, at the expense of RUSSIA, to contain the POWDER mode ... the gut will not burst from exertion.

[Makcaga]

Yes, do not care about Poroshenko ... there people will freeze and will fight with Europe. I think it’s wiser to be and not to beat directly ...

[Same lech]

Yes, spit on Poroshenko ... there people will freeze and will fight with Europe.

What touching concern for people and EUROPE is at our expense ... no, dear, it won’t work ... we don’t start it and let EUROPA pay for this banquet.
Forget about the times when RUSSIA kept for free EUROPE ... UKRAINE and other freeloaders.

[Makcaga]

Talk nonsense. That’s how we’ll pay you, because our budget is filled from the trade in oil and gas ...!
You seem to really not understand what I'm talking about and what is happening.
Hooray patriot damn ....

[Same lech]

You seem to really not understand what I'm talking about and what is happening.
Hooray patriot damn ..

That you dear do not understand what is happening ...
by decision of the arbitral tribunal, we must pay at our expense UKRAINE for our own gas supplies ... freebie sir.
Europatriot damn ...

Read carefully what Miller is talking about ... UKRAINE gas supplies are becoming unprofitable and in our country everything is determined by the market and not by a charitable organization.

[NKT]

So he says about the transit agreement too ..... and we will be guilty of violation of this agreement ...... again we don’t think ....

[Same lech]

So he says about the transit agreement too ..... and we will be guilty of violation of this agreement ...... again we don’t think ....

Separate flies from cutlets ..... it is a dispute between RUSSIA and UKRAINE ... some too smart comrades or gentlemen are misleading you.
The gas pipe in UKRAINE now does not belong to Russia and all responsibility for transit now lies with UKRAINE ... this must be clearly understood.
Gazprom does not intend to take on the problems of NAFTOGAS Ukraine.
There is still no alternative to Russian gas, and Europe and UKRAINE will still be forced to negotiate with RUSSIA on its terms.

[NKT]

The gas pipe through Ukraine does not belong to us. We have a contract for the supply of gas with Europe, the gas delivery point is the border of Ukraine and one of the European countries. And contracts with Ukraine for pumping gas to European countries and the purchase of gas by Ukraine itself.
If we break all contracts, including a transit one, under which Gazprom is responsible for pumping gas to Europe (Gazprom is responsible to Europe, Ukraine is responsible to Gazprom), then all demand will come from Gazprom.

The transit agreement cannot be touched. Let Ukraine itself (and it will do it in revenge) cancel it. In this case, Gazprom will be clean. And urgently it is necessary to convene negotiations with Germany and confront it with facts. She is still a major buyer of our gas and a major investor in Gazprom.

A break in the transit contract will hit SP2 as well.

[Setrac]

Quote: NKT

And urgently it is necessary to convene negotiations with Germany and confront it with facts.

Germany will have enough gas, and solvent Europe will suffer the Young Europeans.

[Odysseus]

Quote: NKT

The gas pipe through Ukraine does not belong to us. We have a contract for the supply of gas with Europe, the gas delivery point is the border of Ukraine and one of the European countries. And contracts with Ukraine for pumping gas to European countries and the purchase of gas by Ukraine itself.

Indeed, we cannot break the transit contract until the end of 2019. More precisely, we can, but it will be a very big loss. First, you need to at least finish building two branches of TP (and preferably SP-2).
But here the threat is stronger execution. Gazprom essentially said that we won’t play according to such “rules.” The contract for transit will not be renewed after 2019. Take gas wherever you want. Before that, there was a real threat that the West would force us to pump gas through Ukraine after 2019.
Now there is the hope that at least after 2019 there will be no transit through Maidan Ukraine.

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: Odyssey

Indeed, we cannot break the transit contract until the end of 2019. More precisely, we can, but it will be a very big loss.

Naftagaz has already won a trial of $ 4,63 billion for gas shortages.

Quote: Odyssey

Now there is the hope that at least after 2019 there will be no transit through Maidan Ukraine.

The thing is that no one asks for gas from us, we impose it. After waking up a dollar rain over German lobbyists and giving Germany a part of Gazprom’s shares, our leaders tied only Germany, but it won’t choose the whole volume, hence the miller’s double position. And now, also, the debt to Naftagaz was drawn.

[Vadim237]

How to build Nord Stream 2 - there will be no transit through Ukraine - all the pipes will be cut off.

[sogdy]

Quote: NKT

We have a contract for the supply of gas with Europe, the gas delivery point is the border of Ukraine and one of the European countries.

When TRANSIT through Ukraine !!!

[lance]

no need so sharply in Europe, no one will suffer. the bulk of the gas will go through the northern stream-1 with a full load, this is almost 80% of the consumed gas in Europe. if needed, the rest will go through the gas transmission system of Ukraine and close its reverse if Europe pays.

[dauria]

You seem to really not understand what I'm talking about and what is happening.

And what happens? Ordinary graters seller - buyer. Will come to this, how is it? Consensus Business something. What, before this "gas war" was not?

[Same lech]

And what happens? Ordinary graters seller - buyer. Will come to this, how is it? Consensus

Of course they will come ... gas is such a product that is always needed ... especially when you start to freeze well.
The problem is that the cunning buyer wants to cheat the seller ... so to speak to fuck him for his own goods.

[Seriomilander]

Of course, it's terrible to lose sales of 60-70 billion cubic meters. per year, before the construction of SP-2, but on the other hand, 4,673 billion dollars. - This is the cost of about 12 billion cubic meters. gas, and this is 20% of the proceeds from the sale of such a volume. Gazprom is unlikely to have “2 ends” profit, which means it is trading at “zero” or “loss”.
Why did you make such a decision? There are two options:
1. It is possible to work in this way is not profitable for Gazprom and the country's budget, and it is easier to wait for SP-2, at the same time and speed it up.
2. Perhaps this is a lever of pressure on Europe or the Stockholm Court, and perhaps the desire to play with Europe according to its own rules, that is, this is an option with the transfer of gas to Europe on the Russian border with Ukraine, then we will not care about Naftogaz.
And in any case, the decision is in Europe, and not in the Russian Federation or Ukraine

[sogdy]

Quote: Seriomilander

not profitable for Gazprom and the country's budget, and it’s easier to wait for SP-2, and at the same time speed it up.

Yeah. There are two gas pipelines to China ... leave Europe its problems.

[Vadim237]

It’s just that the pressure in the pipes through Belarus and the Nord Stream will increase this by billions of 20 cubic meters extra - 22 cubic meters will remain - to carry liquefied gas from Yamal.

[thinker]

You are not at all in the subject -

November 25, 2017 marks two years since the day Ukraine imported the last volumes of Russian gas. Refusal of Russian gas due to its high cost, it allowed Ukraine to start reforming the gas market and reforming the corporate governance of Naftogaz. The company itself for the first time in a long time has ceased to be unprofitable.

https://lb.ua/economics/2018/03/01/391522_gazprom
_otkazalsya_vozobnovit.html

[alex80]

Quote: Makcaga

Yes, do not care about Poroshenko ... there people will freeze and will fight with Europe. I think it’s wiser to be and not to beat directly ...

Well, let it be inadequate from the Swedish arbitration in Europe and explain it popularly!

[Sofa General]

what are there people? will freeze? and what do I care about their people. even if they begin to eat each other from hunger.
something when in the 90s people froze and starved, few rushed to help and forgive debts.
no, of course I’ll hypocritically say how it is, there are people ... but in fact, how many Poles, French and other European people will freeze me violet. at least 9 out of 10 let them die - THEIR problems.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Makcaga

Yes, do not care about Poroshenko ... there people will freeze and will fight with Europe. I think it’s wiser to be and not to beat directly ...

Unfortunately, “people” will not freeze anymore, frosts have subsided, but it's a pity.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And you suggest, at the expense of RUSSIA, to contain the POSHENKO regime.

so they don’t want to, they’re looking for someone to harbor

[nickname7]

at the expense of RUSSIA contain POROSHENKO mode

So the West wants, and he succeeds, the Russian Federation maintains and continues to maintain a sanitary cordon.

[andrson]

And let Europe put pressure on Russia, maybe Russia will earn brains ..

[Same lech]

And let Europe put pressure on Russia, maybe Russia will earn brains ..

Yeah ... frosts on the street and EUROPE was going to put pressure on RUSSIA ... now who has no brains so no.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

frosts on the street and EUROPE was going to put pressure on RUSSIA ... now who has no brains so no.

everything is right - they froze, didn’t you notice how the liquid evaporates quickly in the cold?

[Same lech]

Europe will not freeze ..

Well, why lie then ... in Italy, snowdrifts ... there they don’t have such centralized heating systems ... they freeze like gophers.


Frozen Milan.

[Town Hall]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Well, why lie then ... in Italy, snowdrifts ... there they don’t have such centralized heating systems ... they freeze like gophers.

Just snowdrifts?) ... and what are the heating systems in Italy? .. and how many are frozen?)

[reservist]

Well, by our standards, not really big ...

but about heating in an Italian housing stock, for example, you can read here
blog-italia.ru/dvojnaya-pizhama

[reservist]

Persuaded, I won’t
And how much does an Italian resident usually get in winter for heating?

[Town Hall]

Depends. Central in the Russian understanding of heating does not exist. Like ZhEKov)


Apartment buildings are either self-contained in each apartment and you pay for gas.

But most of them have a small gas-fired power plant in the basement at each entrance. The meeting of the residents of the entrance decides when to turn on the temperature mode and schedule for the winter. Warm water is autonomous in all apartments even in these cases.


Apartments without heating can not be a priori. No owner will ever receive permission to either build or settle in such an apartment or house. Therefore, this blog is nonsense.


How much heating costs depends on temperatures, the area of ​​apartments, etc. let's say for an apartment of 100 sq.m. hardly more than 100 euros per month. If heating is on the whole entrance. If the autonomy is less

[sogdy]

Quote: Town Hall

Apartment buildings are either self-contained in each apartment and you pay for gas.

A connoisseur of nature, but in the absence of gas? Italy does not produce gas.

[andrson]

Beautiful Milan. Here when they show the frozen citizens of Europe, then it will be seen that they have not thought over the heating system.

[Town Hall]

The "snowdrifts" have already melted ... and the heating system is cool here)

[sogdy]

And also electricity, which you also depend on gas.
Bread, pizza and other products that require heat treatment (including freezing).
But this is nonsense, you have most of the production of synthetics. Taki will not be. And where will the money come from? But the rest of the production is tied to the availability of this synthetics ...
And you can imagine, nothing can be synthesized from liquefied gas, it is exclusively heating ("light gas").

Really, you're still funny in your ignorance.

[NKT]

Who told you such nonsense about the "gas"? The liquefied gas transported by gas carriers is the same methane, only 600 times compressed due to low temperature, and methane in Africa is methane.

Yes, and in Italy, at the expense of gas production. Imagine, imagine, a little, about 7 billion m3, but what about the Italian company Eni, you probably heard?

[Town Hall]

In general, Italy consumes about 70 billion m3 / year of gas (the third largest European market).
Gazprom supplies Italy with up to 15 billion m3 / year of gas ..


The share of Russian gas in Italy is 20%. The rest is Algeria, Libya, LNG. 2 TANAP and TAP gas pipelines are being built for gas from Azerbaijan. New regasifiers for LNG. Comrades just live in their own world

[sogdy]

Quote: NKT

Who told you such nonsense about the "gas"? The liquefied gas carried by gas carriers is the same methane,

past cleaning, drying and normalization. Plus secondary expansion, also lowering centers of concentration. The cost of synthesis from such a gas exceeds all reasonable limits, approaching the original volumes and cost.
Maybe you yourself will read the textbook? According to the technology of oil and gas processing and coal chemical synthesis. And you will not make the absurd opinion of the noob on public display? In the early 50s it was 8th grade (1 course of technical school).

[lis-ik]

Quote: Andrson

Europe will not freeze .. We are imposing ourselves to buy our gas .. Therefore, we are dancing to their consumption. We have nothing more to sell to them.

How can you impose on you to buy the wrong gas, if only at gunpoint? One m .... duck blurted out, and the rest repeat.

[Sanichsan]

or in Europe

[cats]

Europeans themselves will not wait for the campaign, it’s easier to stir up a couple of northern streams ..
How much you can stomp on your own tricks.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Makcaga

The transit will suffer ... Europeans will get furious and tune against us even more ...

It will be very interesting to look at the "furious Europeans."

[nickname7]

So they themselves do not allow to build a bypass pipe, it would be worth them to freeze, so that they gain their mind.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Makcaga

., Europeans will be enraged and even more against us.

What? They will tune against England, but Allah Akbar to help them.

Quote: Makcaga

there people will freeze and will fight with Europe

They quarreled with Europe back in 2013. People will freeze, they will think faster, and not jump. And if you want to keep them. Keep at your own expense, not ours.

[cariperpaint]

I beg of you. such decisions are made jointly. if something terrible there would be such a howl ...

[Idunavs]

Yah. Winter is ending and the contract is also at the end of the year, consumption is declining and this is a signal that SP-2 should be completed in the summer.

[Setrac]

Quote: Makcaga

Europeans will be furious and even more against us ...

Are they right for us now?

[bistrov.]

That is right. It's time to stop feeding the bander. Now, the Russian government would have dared to break off all relations with the Bandera authorities, including diplomatic.

[nickname7]

The contract is terminated, a new contract will be drawn up, apparently so that they could not again sue, but gas supplies will continue until bypass pipes are built.

[sogdy]

Quote: nickname7

but gas supplies will continue until bypass pipes are built.

We’ll sit and see.

[Gnefredov]

Poland will get fierce.

[Hagalaz]

They were born fucked up ....

[Mountain shooter]

Everything, the freebie is over! Stoke hryvnia, there are many ...

[hhhhhhh]

Let the euro dreams dream.

[Lena Petrova]

Lacy underpants hold heat very poorly.

[hhhhhhh]

But burn brighter

[flicker]

Stoke the hryvnia

And why hryvnia, they have tires

[Varyag_0711]

Flicker Today, 17:00 PM ↑ New
Stoke the hryvnia
And why hryvnia, they have tires

I’m afraid they don’t have enough tires for a long time, I’ll have to buy the Vadnikovskie-Vadnikovskie tires again from the oaths of Muscovites, Pichal Bida is straight ...
No, well, you can certainly buy from Geyropa, there tires are more ideologically correct, but the question is whether Europe will sell, they will need it soon along the way.

[cats]

It began to chtol ..
First to the liver ..

[Alexey RA]

If the door is closed in the heart,
Need to knock on the liver!

©

[exo]

Correct solution. And then, everything that happened was like a theater of the absurd.

[ul_vitalii]

We need tougher with them, let them run after us, and not us after them. They are already scoffing in the open, they have credited the debtors to the supplier, wisps.

[Alexey N]

The games are over (not me).
And after all, not the slightest pause after yesterday.
I’m even afraid to guess what will happen tomorrow. Although most likely in Syria they will rake in havalnik.

[hhhhhhh]

Now they will not be able to start bombing us because of the refusal to supply gas. Since yesterday.

[Hagalaz]

Ay Molda! Well said! No baldy, really liked it!

[flicker]

Well, yesterday they didn’t just say "now listen."

[Yura Kharlamov]

They won’t freeze. They’ve calculated everything. It’s enough to hold on to the heat. And before the winter there’s a lot of leather.

[Wilderness]

The Europeans forgot Russian wisdom about long harnessing and fast driving, took silence for weakness and indecision, but it turned out that Russia was just pulling earflaps on its head. And now, as taxi drivers say: the pedal to the floor and "... dear passengers, who are not attached - he himself is ... stupid."

[PAM]

The scribe came to Ukraine a year earlier.

[keeper03]

At least with the departure of winter and the arrival of spring!

[Troll]

Terminates the delivery and transit
Now the European business people will reach SP2 and ..

[zivXP]

It’s necessary to pump everything back

[CAT BAIYUN]

It is high time. Oh long time. I doubt, of course, that they will enter the mind, but it's time .....

[New Year day]

at the end of winter? It used to be, before! Now let's see how Europe will help you

[Proton]

Now people from the yellow-blue country will blow and grin like owls in an empty pipe and stop us from sleeping

[lis-ik]

Your words, yes to God’s ears. Unfortunately, this is all a pre-election chatter.

[Evil 55]

That's right, a couple of years back in the EUROPEAN CIRCUS FOR THE MORAL FROGERS they jump ... you look at the BREAD and earn .. Stop burning the gas and oil of the occupiers ..

[faterdom]

Now it’s not the Stockholm arbitration, but the Swedish Ministry of Finance that is looking for money at home, if it so burns with the desire to help the independence. And the Nobel Committee may award Poroshenko a Nobel Prize in economics.

[Alex20042004]

Quote: Major Yurik

That's how the morning of the chief of "Naftogaz" will begin somehow!

A bit wrong.

[dog breeder]

Yeah ... A week that has not been boring today has stood out ... And the elections are ahead ... The Japanese, Lavrov, are planning to resign already ... There are some debates and debates around the country ... What will happen? ...

[captain]

Late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off. I once answered a letter from the chairman of the union of veterans of the Marine Corps and the Airborne Forces of Ukraine, Air Force Voloshin. By the way, I was the only one from the crowd of “patriots of Russia”, colonels and generals who answered this former Soviet officer. I remember what “real patriots” did not accuse me of. It was not necessary to play with the money of the people, the lives of our citizens and not doing anything about Donbass. And sanctions received both shame and war.

[Vard]

It’s very well chosen time ... Frosts will be gone in a week ... But the precipitate will remain ... In Ukraine, all schools have closed ... The case is unique ... In general, of course, the full x ... No one can trade at a loss. ..

[donavi49]

Well, it's too late. They will last until 7, and there it is already stable +. In general, most likely (as long as the long-term forecast allows) from the second half of March there will be already stable + 10 throughout the territory on average.

The most severe (-10 -18 degrees) will be until March 5, that is, three days. Enough gas, but they still have fuel oil. Plus they can still light the gas industry (as they did in the first winter of 2014).

Europe is similar.

But there will be a lot of screaming, yes. Significantly more than the real consequences.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Rather, it would have been so .. The impudence of the "bloody brothers" is already going off scale ..!

There must be a limit to the "generosity" of Russia !!!!

[Chief Starshin]

Quote: MIKHAN

For a long time it was already necessary to do this .. Although you can’t get rid of these "brothers" just like that ..! They love a freebie, they’ll obviously come up with something else, how to milk Russia!

From the beginning over to complete the Streams ...
And then, swinging Checkers for a hollow. Turn on the head who is the end customer. Citizens of Euro priests. They replenished the budget like drug addicts and sat on a gas needle.
And now the money will not drip. And others will take over the market.
It is necessary to solve this issue differently without global damage to the US.
But in consequence with a radical result for Naftogaz.

[Setrac]

Quote: Ch. Starshina

From the beginning over to complete the Streams ...
And then, swinging Checkers for a hollow. Turn on the head who is the end customer. Citizens of Euro priests. They replenished the budget like drug addicts and sat on a gas needle.

And you ask what country in Europe buys how much gas and who will receive gas in the first place through a German hub.

[1536]

Done and done. They did it neither sooner nor later, but when it was deemed necessary. The main thing is not to make political decisions to the detriment of Russian business. And let the Ukrainian people deal with the Ukrainian government.
Note: the arrogance of the Swedes knows no bounds. It will be them "Poltava 2.0".

[Odysseus]

Thank God. Reason has won. That's what the life-giving loss of 2,5 billion does. Better late than never.

[Nasty]

All that is needed is to make the EU countries buy our gas on the border with Ukraine.

[1536]

Absolutely vicious offer! Gas must reach the EU countries directly, be distributed already in the European Union without any intermediaries and transit countries. Modern technologies for the development of pipeline transport, etc. allow this to be done. And territories with unstable, aggressive regimes should not be used in international trade in general.

[Berkut24]

Eh, a good dinner spoon. And lunch has come - frosts in Europe, pumping volumes will fall, the price will skyrocket. But there is still a small nuance. Through Ukraine there is a branch not only to Europe, but also to Turkey. And Turkey is now wandering about the second thread of the Turkish Stream. I think that in this case, on our part, it was played according to the best option. Disabling the pigsty earlier and later did not bring such an effect and stupor in our western and southern "partners". Any impromptu need to be prepared ahead of time!

[SOF]

... galloped, galloped ... and the ceiling, finally hooked.
For that fought for it and ran.

[Metallurg_2]

Glory to the eggs, matured for 4 years.

[aleks700]

4 years ago it was necessary. What were you thinking about?

[Hey]

Many did not pay attention to the next moment.

Gazprom is forced to immediately begin the procedure for termination of contracts with the NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine for the supply and transit of gas in the Stockholm Arbitration

And this means the application for termination of the contract will go to arbitration, then the case will be decided in court for a year or half a year, then a sentence will be passed, then an appeal. But the court took the position of Naftogaz does not recognize the termination and so on until the expiration of the contract.
In general, a bad song. Imitation of activity. While on any "Gazprom" in the pope.
Only a radical decision is to stop gas supplies through Ukraine.
A day to notify consumers, a day to receive a response. On the third day, the valves are closed.

[Town Hall]

Quote: MUD

In general, a bad song. Imitation of activity. While on any "Gazprom" in the pope.

To promise does not mean to marry .. Gazprom will not terminate anything, especially transit. It will bankrupt the EU for such a thing ... it’s just that the court must disguise itself somehow before the patriotic electorate ..... elections will be held, the penalty will be paid for quiet and further business

[sogdy]

Quote: MUD

Many did not pay attention to the next moment.

And it seemed to me that this was just being discussed.

Quote: MUD

Only a radical decision is to stop gas supplies through Ukraine.
A day to notify consumers, a day to receive a response. On the third day, the valves are closed.

That you cho! From March 1, 2018 kirdyk.

[ibn.shamai]

Quote: cariperpaint

all contracts with Europe are tied to transit contracts. what is happening now is just understandable. after such a court decision, new ones will go much worse. up to this point, all deliveries were not to Ukraine. they just made transit. so the decision is logical to terminate the contracts. now the costs will be lower. but after that new contracts will be concluded and as I understand it, all the risks there will be removed nafig

Let Europe buy gas from us at the entry point from Russia to ukroinu and conclude a contract with dill for transit.

[NKT]

Ukraine will not allow. It used to be a gasket between Gazprom and Europe and earned by reselling gas. Then Gazprom took that opportunity from her.

[lance]

Poroshenko with the company did not understand that the freebie was over. SP-1 transmits in an increased mode 100% of gas under the Sevropoy agreement. skip 28% more for Europe, we generally do not have to. buying gas for dill is now a reverse. for understanding, now it’s not there and where to get it from. England howled her gas and Norwegian is not enough, Ukrainians have played out.

[flicker]

It looks like cold treatment has begun.

[Denis Obukhov]

It touches some naivete of the Russian authorities, who hoped to achieve justice in the Western Nazi courts. So the utter absurdity of the actions of the Arbitration, which shared the absolutely mirror Take-or-Pay rules with “Download or Pay”, should finally convince the Russian leadership that the West wanted to spit on it the established laws, if the main goal is called into question, that only Russia should contain a Bandera state hostile to us. But there is no silver lining. First, the veil flew from the eyes of the country's leadership, which could protect Russia's interests in Western courts. Secondly, the absolutely non-legal decision of the Stockholm arbitration led to the loss of its legitimacy and Russia must declare this. In addition, due to the systematic failure by Ukraine to fulfill its contractual obligations on gas, Russia, before the completion of the construction of SP-2, must demand from the West that the gas transmission point for the European Union be moved to the Russian-Ukrainian border. And let the EU itself deal with the Bandera savages, whom he brought to power.

[dauria]

the Stockholm arbitration's absolutely non-legal decision led to the loss of its legitimacy

I am not a lawyer, so a couple of questions:
1 Gazprom itself chose this court - why now indignant?
2 “absolutely not legal” is an axiom, or is it necessary to prove somewhere?

[Sotskiy]

We are categorically against the solution of economic problems of Ukraine at our expense. In such a situation, the continuation of contracts for Gazprom is economically inexpedient and disadvantageous
- noted Miller.

Really a tragedy!
This is just how much unearned profit the private privatizers will lose (oh!) Excuse me, investors, specifically Miller won’t get any bonus ?!
In connection with this situation, it seems economically feasible and beneficial to raise tariffs on the domestic market of the country to world ones. Nobody will fine a gesheft here, and taxes with excise taxes for the "offended" by the West will be canceled by the state as their own.

[Vadim237]

They have ways to deliver gas to the EU, in the right volumes - Yamal LNG

[Lev Bronsch]

Miller really raves ... Read these contracts, they are quietly posted on the network. About 10 pages each. And understand - Gazprom got off very easily !! Moreover, in practice, the arbitration award in favor of Gazprom, as confirm the basic principles of contracts and expressly prohibit the influence of European and Ukrainian legislation on the execution of the contract !! And given the general precedent of any court decision, then in subsequent contracts this provision remains 99% in force, which is certainly beneficial to Gazprom. As for money, Miller needs to be engaged in direct official duties better. and not the zenith to steer. And he wants to steer football, then let him go as a director to FC Zenit and have fun there, manager, damn it

[APASUS]

One more step of Ukraine is closer to bankruptcy. Interestingly, now in Europe gas prices have jumped due to cold weather, reserves from UGS are suitable and another scandal between the countries is likely to add zeros to the price.
Buying gas in the EU is now a very disadvantageous, and costly .......................

[Leshy174]

And before that, what were they thinking about.... Stalin is not on them ((((

[samarin1969]

Well, for a couple of weeks...If they find a "gasket" company - for a couple of months...Judging by the policy of "RF" in Hungary, Austria, Germany, Turkey...then "RF" is just a sales department Gazprom...

[Buoy tour]

Well, what can I say: until now the factories (the remaining ones) will stop and there will be a complete scribe. I feel sorry for the people

[bear]

It's OK. Abroad will help them. They will warm themselves with javelins.

[Vadim237]

Potbelly stoves and diesel generators in Ukraine will now go on sale like hot cakes.

[worms]

inspired by ...

[TOR2]

Another breaking news came from Gazprom. The company begins the procedure for terminating contracts with Naftogaz of Ukraine for the supply and transit of gas

It wouldn’t be a bad idea for them to dig up the oil tap either. Let them buy gasoline at the Geyrope.

[Netman82]

Gaprom is essentially in an advantageous position - the conditions are being created for the implementation of the second stage of the northern stream and the activation of processes along the southern one. The kakly themselves are inciting Europe to take this step with their greed.

[Bobxnumx]

How long can you tolerate the theft of Ukraine, patience is over!

[Mordvin 3]

Bullshit. Then the news appeared that Gazprom was buying a German gas company that was doing reverse work for Khokhlam.

[Seraphimamur]

Finally. How much can you feed the ukrofashist regime!

[Zomanus]

I wonder how Europe will react to this.
They are still digesting Putin’s speech with “funny pictures”
and here they also want to freeze them.

[aleks700]

Well, this is the stimulation of Nord Stream 2

[shans2]

Nord Stream 2 excludes 404 from transit altogether, you can whine, but it’s true)

[alexmach]

Andrey K,
So you are the troll in this thread, who can you feed?

[alexmach]

Andrey K,

Colleague, do not flood. They wrote a lot and all about nothing.

Whose cow would moo...

You see what’s the matter, I didn’t force myself on you as an interlocutor. And I have no interest in pouring from empty to empty.

And yet you continue and continue to write...

I found out your understanding of the decision, you figured out my position. Although it was clearly and unequivocally written above.

Yeah... that is, we clarified our positions... personal opinions, so to speak, ok, that's normal. Our opinions did not coincide - that also happens. And on what grounds did you accuse me of lying? Based on the fact that my personal opinion does not coincide with yours? So this is already a lie and rudeness on your part. You are a boor and a liar!

[Petr1]

drive Muller to hell. What a moron you have to be to put people who aren’t your own (national gas) into debt for your gas!!! It’s a nightmare I owe for my gas!!!

[reservist]

sogdy,

Quote: sogdy

A connoisseur of nature, but in the absence of gas? Italy does not produce gas.

buy from Africans
Their heating season is not particularly long, they will get out...