NATO: apply to the Afghan army

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Last week it became known that NATO Secretary General Mr. Rasmussen made a proposal to participate in the financing of the Afghan armed forces of those countries that today are not part of the North Atlantic Alliance. Among these countries, Andres Fogh Rasmussen sees the Russian Federation. He is confident that it will be financial contributions to the Afghan army after the withdrawal of the NATO contingent will be the key to a safe future in this country, and hence in the entire region. In addition, Rasmussen recalled that the member states of the Alliance themselves are going to be “dumped” annually and sent to Kabul, not a lot is not a little, 4 billion dollars. Recalling such a sum, the Secretary General indirectly hints at the figure that it would be nice to introduce, for example, Russia as a guarantee of its own security.

NATO: apply to the Afghan army


The Rasmussen initiative seems to focus exclusively on caring for the Afghan people and, most importantly, the Afghan peasants who produce raw materials for the world-famous business. That is why the NATO Supreme can be thankful for the thought about allocating round sums by Russia and other countries, but it’s better to give up such an idea - and the sooner the better.

In order for Anders Fogh Rasmussen and all his like-minded people not to say that to reject their constructive proposal is true retrograde and unwillingness to establish a peaceful life in Afghanistan, concrete arguments must be made.
Imagine that in the 2014 year, the NATO contingent is really leaving Afghanistan, while promising that with funding for the armed forces of this country, all issues are settled and Karzai (or his changer) will only have to check bills and remove billions of dollars from them so that Afghan soldiers felt the support of Big Brother. Perhaps, somewhere it could well work - the state army improved, added in training, equipment and combat capability, but with respect to Afghanistan such prospects look more than vague.

To continue the analysis, it’s worth moving back to 1989, the year when Soviet troops left Afghanistan. It would seem that the "hated" opponent was retreating, which means that she is a victory, and a new, serene life can begin. But no ... In Afghanistan, a civil war broke out with even greater force, which left government forces on both sides of the font led by Mohammad Najibullah and the so-called Afghan Mujahideen led by Ahmad Shah Masoud. A huge amount of military equipment remaining, say, a legacy from the Soviet Union, was actively used by both parties. At the same time, one should not forget about Western “help”, as a result of which Mujahideen units could conduct active hostilities with well-armed government forces and pro-government militias. According to the most conservative estimates in the civil war of 1989-1992, about one and a half thousand were used tanks, up to 1000 armored personnel carriers, over a hundred combat aircraft and helicopters, as well as countless missile systems, mortars, grenade launchers and small arms weapons. This is the question of financing the Afghan army ...

Not a single statistical agency can say about the losses at this stage of the Afghan war, since in Afghanistan itself no counting of dead and wounded soldiers from both sides was actually made. The following remarkable fact can tell about the possible total number of victims: during the so-called Jalalabad battle of 1989, only from the Mujahideen were killed and injured more than 3-x thousand people.

Now it is worthwhile to touch upon the financing of the Afghan army at a time when the Soviet Union was still involved in the war (1979-1989 years). The Soviet Union itself only for the “middle” period of the war (from 1984 to 1987 a year), according to published data, spent about 1,686 billions of so-called foreign currency rubles to support the Afghan army. In the period from 1979 to 1990, over the 8 billions of foreign exchange rubles were allocated and spent from the USSR treasury for the following purposes: training of Afghan military and civilian personnel, preferential loans for various areas of the Afghan national economy, the purchase of military equipment and general equipment, for construction schools and hospitals, as well as the so-called free aid to the Afghan people, which, obviously, mostly settled in the accounts of high-ranking managers. So, more than 8 billion Soviet rubles were transferred to the development of Afghanistan ... What this development ended with, we all know very well.

By the way, let's not forget that not only the Soviet Union, but also its direct competitors invested in Afghanistan. The same forces of the Mujahideen by the anti-Soviet allies (USA, Japan, Gulf countries, Pakistan, European states, Canada, etc.) from 1980 to 1987 were allocated about 1,8 a billion dollars a year.

As a result of a three-year civil war, the Afghan Mujahideen overthrew the country's communist government, and then a new civil war broke out, in which the Mujahideen themselves began to divide power among themselves. As a result of this stage of the war in 1994, the world brings to light, to say the least, the notorious Taliban movement today, which actually gained full control over Afghanistan by the time NATO operations began in that country.

Today story obviously repeated. The NATO troops are already planning to leave Afghanistan, leaving the pro-Western government in the country and setting up very generous funding for this. Obviously, the withdrawal of the NATO contingent will automatically begin the revitalization of the Islamists, who will try not only to reset Western henchmen from their posts (and most likely they will succeed in recalling 1992 a year), but also to gain control over the money, which Anders Fogh Rasmussen calls for to invest in the Afghan army.

By the way, it must be recalled that the NATO Secretary General is calling on not only Russia, but also the countries of the Persian Gulf to share money for the Afghan government forces. But such a proposal looks very unintelligible. Does Rasmussen think that those who so actively support the Taliban will suddenly begin to finance their opponents from the so-called regular army. It is obvious that the same Qatari and Saudi curators of Afghan and world Islamism are not at all profitable for a powerful government army to emerge in Afghanistan that surpasses the strength of the Taliban formation.

In this regard, it can be said that the NATO command unequivocally gives out the desired for the real. Any funding from the Afghan forces, no matter how loyal to secular social laws they may seem, will dissolve into internal strife that has become the norm for Afghanistan. It is unlikely that Rasmussen and other supporters of the idea of ​​financing the Afghan army after the withdrawal of the NATO contingent are not aware of this. And if they know, then their proposal is more like an attempt to establish a channel for money laundering under the guise of "fraternal" assistance.

I am glad that the Russian authorities have already refused such an offer by the NATO Secretary General. Still, history teaches us a lot, so that no one talks about it. Let's hope that she will teach the Alliance with its zeal to help Afghanistan ...
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  1. Vanek
    +15
    April 23 2012 07: 49
    McFaul: - Mark Poplar with a larger red dot ............
    Romney: - Russia is the number one enemy .......
    Panetta: - The plan for the otak of Iran is a joke ............
    Rasmussen: - Give me the money ...........

    Chamber №6.

    How bad being an idiot
    1. +17
      April 23 2012 07: 54
      These Europeans are funny ... I am small, I know Afghans, I was there at one time ... Their civilization will not be established there, simply because traditions are different .. Afghans are warriors and they remain ... Each clan will fight for its own territory ... And the army is a fiction, just like the police ... When we worked with them, we always covered our ass ... These friends themselves can shoot in the back or brother Mahmud miss-relative, Mlyn ... Don’t give money ...
      1. +7
        April 23 2012 08: 08
        domokl, How bad it is to be an idiot. And maybe not bad, with an idiot, there is less demand, apparently the Americans think so!
        1. +5
          April 23 2012 08: 22
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          How bad it’s to be an idiot. And maybe not bad, less demand from an idiot. Apparently, the Americans think so.

          laughing I am joining! always right, and if not right, then what to take from him -....
          1. +6
            April 23 2012 08: 32
            All this confirms the fact that:
            1 Afghan state battle - product, like Vietnam, but not with such a loud bunch
            2 In this regard, the states were not interested there and, like true pragmatists, they are not going to spend more on this country.
            3 Once again, we are convinced that the states do not have feelings of national dignity and pride. There is a beautiful external slogan on this subject. laughing
            1. +8
              April 23 2012 08: 42
              You probably meant the slogan: You have terrorists, then we will go to you! or you don’t have democracy, then we will give it to you! laughing
              1. Vanek
                +17
                April 23 2012 08: 57
                You must leave too with the ability.
              2. +4
                April 23 2012 08: 59
                Quote: tronin.maxim
                You probably meant the slogan:

                Maxim, I had in mind all the slogans that presented the nobility and image of the country - a DISCLAIMER bearer of the principles of democracy ... laughing Although
                Quote: tronin.maxim
                You have terrorists, then we will go to you! or you don’t have democracy, then we will give it to you

                these slogans also confirm the deceitfulness of state declarations.
                1. +9
                  April 23 2012 12: 35
                  NATO: file on the Afghan army- they always said in Russia, God will give ... so that they do not shine, they don’t have God, their devil is an idol.
                  1. Yarbay
                    +2
                    April 23 2012 13: 26
                    Good afternoon, Victor !! The whole trouble is that they are already serving! Our million euros have already been transferred!
                    But why ?? Probably all the same for political reasons!
                    1. +3
                      April 23 2012 13: 53
                      Good afternoon, Alibek! They’ll go for nothing, it’s unique, but for some reason, this is the question ....
            2. +6
              April 23 2012 12: 39
              Quote: esaul
              1 Afghan state battle - product, like Vietnam, but not with such a loud bunch


              if it were not for the strange position of the Russian leadership that the presence of NATO in Afghanistan is in the interests of Russia (although this is partially possible, but only in the form of mass graves) and if Russia had helped the Taliban in their time (who, incidentally, fought against opium cultivation poppy), then a bunch could happen much louder than Vietnamese ...
      2. 0
        1 July 2013 23: 47
        It was also in the Caucasus. September 2008 DyshneVedo, on the one hand a police officer is walking, on the other 2 spirits. Relatives ...
    2. +2
      April 23 2012 10: 33
      But in my opinion, it’s very good to pretend to be an idiot!

      1. The Russian side wrote off debts to Afghanistan totaling 12 billion dollars. This statement was made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at an international conference in Kabul

      2. In addition, Russia continues to provide humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan, having begun deliveries of wheat flour in the amount of five million dollars as a regular contribution to the UN World Food Program.

      http://lenta.ru/news/2010/07/20/debt/

      If you count, then for three years in advance we have already paid! Add to this the free transport of NATO cargo through Russia, the ever-increasing drug trafficking of heroin to Russia, which, incidentally, will be encouraged by NATO forces, and it turns out that Russia is, in principle, the largest investor in Afghanistan. But it seems to be one of the least fortunate.
      1. nitro
        -14
        April 23 2012 11: 09
        Karavan,
        I agree with you completely. "Fools" lost a little more than 10 people in 1800 years of war, and clever people in 9 years lost more than 15! The ratio is almost 000 to 1, now guess who is very smart ... lol so "fools" fought TWO very expensive wars at once and at the same time are world leaders in the development of military science and technology! By the way, the issue of the "collapse" of the United States into separate states is also not on the agenda laughing and all the same, what are they TU-PYU ..... good Well, the Afghan "gerych" in Russia with what money and how many lives per year can you estimate?
        1. BAT
          +7
          April 23 2012 13: 01
          And these are the exact numbers - "just over 1800 people"? If this is from the State Department sources, then they are worthless. We know about the veracity of amers and their censorship. It's hard to believe in such numbers ...
          1. +5
            April 23 2012 20: 54
            sichevik,
            And these are the exact numbers - "a little more than 1800 people"? - and it's like in Iraq, first the Americans destroyed all 10000 tons of Iraqi tanks (out of 5000 tons available) and then another 5000 thousand tanks, all of which were exactly 72 (Iraq had 500 ) Here is such a funny statistic in American style !! winkafter all, winners write history, and the Americans succeeded in winning, even Napoleon and Hannibal, Attila and aliens !!!! and Hitler personally killed Bruce Willis with a baseball bat on the Eiffel Towerwink laughing Yes
        2. Vadim555
          +6
          April 23 2012 13: 07
          Quote: nitro
          Fools "lost a little more than 10 people in 1800 years of war, and clever people in 9 years more than 15! The ratio is almost 000 to 1, and now guess who is very smart


          If Russia delivered only the MANPADS to the Taliban, not a single aircraft would fly into the air with the democrats.
          And if they had helped with weapons, then there would have been much more losses. The Taliban are gaining old stocks, but there are no new revenues.

          Quote: nitro
          By the way, the issue of the "collapse" of the United States into separate states is also not on the agenda

          Well, do not tell. laughing
          The collapse of the United States - a consequence of the crisis
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hItONa9JCDQ&feature=related
      2. Sergh
        +4
        April 23 2012 11: 12
        It seems that Gonoseku Rasmussen from Afghanistan receives drugs by mail directly to the office by parcel. He seems constantly stung, well, to carry such a heresy, in my opinion a sober man is shy. Yeah, I came up with, the Chinese have a lot of money ..., let them ask him to run Naked from Brussels, through all of Russia to Beijing, for the money. At the same time, we'll see. Well, there, let the Chinese agree further with him.
      3. +3
        April 23 2012 11: 13
        Ah yes well done this Fogh Rasmussen. Well thought up. NATE crap one's pants, and Russia offers to wipe dirty asses. It would also be nice to establish direct supplies of equipment for drug laboratories and provide a green light at the border for transporting heroin. Well, in the near future, half of the Russian budget will be deducted directly to NATO accounts. Why not. This is so democratic. Apparently weedy grass not only in Amsterdam, but also in Brussels at NATO headquarters is a success.
    3. slas
      +3
      April 23 2012 10: 54
      Quote: Vanek
      How bad being an idiot

      they don’t go, you’re just brought up with mother’s milk in hatred for us and no longer re-educate them and remake these radishes)
    4. +9
      April 23 2012 20: 10
      Quote: Vanek
      Rasmussen: - Give me the money ...........

      "Monsieur! It's not mange pa sis jur!"

      I don’t know how Rasmussen would say in Danish, but the meaning is the same wink
      1. +2
        April 23 2012 21: 09
        mechanic33,
        Timofey, salute! A thousand pluses, buddy !!! good
  2. +6
    April 23 2012 07: 52
    Hehe! What, NATA, crisis? laughing
    So to think about it, when the Union left, it left behind at least some kind of infrastructure, some of the industrial enterprises were built.
    And the Yankees, leaving that freeze? Hectares of opium fields? motley, like a patchwork quilt, a territory where the farther from Kabul the less the influence of the central government? request
    1. +6
      April 23 2012 08: 11
      The influence of Kabul is limited by the boundaries of Kabul. And only in the daytime, at night the power changes
    2. +6
      April 23 2012 08: 25
      What is happening in Afghanistan is reminiscent of a mousetrap .. Americans sit on garrisons without protruding and all movements are only on helicopters (which are falling more often due to technical malfunctions laughing ) .. The local army adheres to exactly the same tactics ... The authorities have not controlled for a long time, and they have never controlled the country .. Local bays can do anything ...
    3. 0
      April 23 2012 09: 44
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The influence of Kabul is limited by the boundaries of Kabul. And only in the daytime, at night the power changes

      Well, I expected lol
      Quote: older
      What is happening in Afghanistan is reminiscent of a mousetrap

      Only in the place of cheese-dope was lol
  3. +4
    April 23 2012 08: 15
    that the UN Secretary General Mr. Rasmussen made a proposal?????? Since when??? Or NATO Secretary General and UN Secretary General laughing
    1. ISO
      ISO
      +6
      April 23 2012 10: 07
      The symphallic clause is simply FREYD.
  4. Dust
    +9
    April 23 2012 08: 42
    Well, of course, that's just what Russia did not have for complete happiness! To pay for the adventures of the West is the ultimate dream of Russian citizens ...
    1. +4
      April 23 2012 09: 30
      Paying adventures of the West is the ultimate dream of Russian citizens ...

      no, not Russian - LIBERAST OF THE LOCAL SPILL ...
  5. +2
    April 23 2012 09: 33
    And I would succumb to NATO.
  6. Igor
    +1
    April 23 2012 09: 57
    And why does the Afghan army go in khaki?
    1. +3
      April 23 2012 10: 25
      Quote: Igorek

      And why does the Afghan army go in khaki?

      What else should they go to? The Americans did not have enough money for their new one. They don’t run in loincloths smile (this is bad for Amer’s foreign policy) they gathered what was left in the warehouses and indecent. I’m more interested where they have insignia. This is more like RAM for the guards
    2. +4
      April 23 2012 11: 35
      And why does the Afghan army go in khaki?

      not khaki, but flora (in our opinion) or Woodland in the west, it’s probably better to see it against the background of the mountain. For the sniper - expanse ...
      1. sergskak
        +1
        April 23 2012 13: 56
        Quote: PSih2097
        And why does the Afghan army go in khaki?

        Over time, trees will be planted with this money.
  7. +2
    April 23 2012 10: 04
    "I am glad that the Russian authorities have already refused such a proposal of the NATO Secretary General. After all, history teaches us a lot, no matter what they say about it." -That's what we liked
    1. +1
      April 23 2012 21: 16
      Well, if the USSR didn’t teach them anything (local warriors), then the United States is all the more ...
  8. Tsar Ivan the First
    +1
    April 23 2012 10: 09
    Crisis he is bully Now we have to give back what we did not borrow from the Bankers for Afghanistan and Iraq, but how? belay but it turns out that you help the whole WORLD with finances, and we saw them for ourselves. Otherwise, it will be worse in the region angry
  9. Vanek
    +8
    April 23 2012 10: 25
    And whoever knows the address of NATO? Well there, the index is all that. And then We here at the office collected thirty trifles on a loaf of bread to them. Where to send request don't know.
    1. +5
      April 23 2012 10: 36
      Vanek, I’ll look at the phone. Just the other day, a fax and a half lama threw. sweated twenty to drive here and there.
  10. ZloySobacka
    +2
    April 23 2012 10: 31
    In no case, you can not give money. For they won’t even say thank you, not to mention any leverage on the leadership of Afghanistan. All leverage will be for those who will accumulate funds and distribute the budget, i.e. at NATO (read the USA). Not to mention that this money will be used against Russia. No matter what, weapons, salaries of militants, the maintenance of training camps, but all this will be used against us. Rasmussen - pussy.
  11. Ty3uk
    0
    April 23 2012 11: 03
    And I would have filed, but only after the complete destruction of all opium crops and poppy processing infrastructure.
    1. +1
      April 23 2012 12: 46
      Harvest then wait and they will destroy everything at once. Do you know what kind of haying will start there? laughing
  12. sergskak
    +2
    April 23 2012 11: 29
    As in the famous film: "Uncle, give ten rubles, well, give ten rubles, I tell you! I hope someone from ours, when meeting Rasmussen, pulls an apple from his pants pocket and treats it with a wide gesture.
    1. +2
      April 23 2012 11: 37
      I would give him ten rubles, only so that he would forget the way to us ...
  13. KAZAKHSTAN
    +1
    April 23 2012 12: 55
    The insanity and decay of the remnant of the Western brains went into the phase of the final decay of the sick mind.
    And so ... laughed funny)
  14. BAT
    +2
    April 23 2012 13: 07
    Shch-shch-shh-a-s-s-s all left and quickly and quickly ran to finance the Afghans !!!
    Amer built democracy in Afghanistan, now let them pay it now.
  15. Pablomc
    +3
    April 23 2012 13: 36
    The question is unpleasant ... what in the end to do with Afghanistan ?!

    The British fought ...
    We fought ....
    The Americans and the coalition are fighting ....

    How much can you already ...?
    With what outlook on the world order do not always come to them, the result is always the same - the withdrawal of troops.

    Afghanistan is a barbaric country with a barbaric device.
    Maybe in a couple of thousand years something will change there, but not in the short term for 200-300 years.

    Carrying ordinary civilizational values ​​to them is simply beyond the power of anyone, the dough is not enough for them!
    And not to carry anything turns into blood, civil strife and insane drug trafficking ...

    As a result, we will have to haw!
    What to do ?!
    Maybe someone saw on the web the opinions of competent people on this issue?
    1. +1
      April 23 2012 21: 21
      Afghanistan is a barbaric country with a barbaric device.

      Well, not barbaric, as Comrade Sukhov said there, "The East is a delicate matter," they just have their own way of life, and if you try to change the system as we did (the USSR even built schools, hospitals and roads) or the USA (the states are destroying everything), Shuravi unlike the Yankees and Co., at least respected ...
  16. 4202727
    +3
    April 23 2012 15: 48
    Our loved ones will join in financing, it's how much sleep ** you can, our glorious deputies will not miss this bully
    1. -1
      April 23 2012 21: 09
      4202727, Our loved ones will join in financing, it's how much sleep ** you can, our glorious deputies will not miss this --- I beseech them, and without this offer I drank so many glorious opportunities that you’ll download !!! wink
  17. Stasi.
    +1
    April 23 2012 21: 33
    Whatever NATO does in Afghanistan, nothing will come of the Westerners. will have to leave sloppy sloppy. What we need to do: comprehensively strengthen the southern borders and return our border guards to the Tajik-Afghan border. It is also necessary to strengthen our 201st division. After NATO leaves Afghanistan, a mess will begin again, gangs of Mujahideen will go to Tajikistan and will rush to Central Asia.
  18. Odinplys
    +1
    April 23 2012 22: 03
    I am glad that the Russian authorities have already refused such a proposal from the NATO Secretary General.

    Sincerely pleases ...
    Crap ... have ... let them clean themselves ...
  19. GRU Special Forces
    0
    April 23 2012 23: 50
    let them fight with sticks what difference does it make to kill themselves, but the soap from the lice of the Afghan army must be sent to them. in the beards of nits and lice to drive
  20. fartfraer
    0
    April 24 2012 07: 45
    )) or our "servants of the people" may agree, but they helped Angola (though in debt, which was then forgiven generously, there is nothing to take from Angola, despite the diamond deposits, etc.)
  21. 0
    April 24 2012 12: 48
    I heard such a saying "No matter how much a wolf you feed, a donkey is still x .... thicker." This is me saying that how much money you don't give the Afghans will still give you more drugs. The Amers understand this perfectly well, and since they hope that the drugs will go to Russia, they want Russia to pay for its production as well. I think this is the case. "Russia" will not try to do anything good for her.
  22. wax
    0
    April 24 2012 17: 34
    Impudence above the roof. They will have a military base there and an agreement on strategic partnership (essno, against Russia), and they also want to be kept there by Russia, China and other Nenatovites. Why aren't those who should be in the yellow houses there? The clinic is eager to manage the world. Orwell is resting.

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