Military Review

Russia and the Russian people. Poll

246

Does the Russian people need an official state-forming status?

- Yes - 2576 (86.79%)
86.79%
- No - 282 (9.5%)
9.5%
- I do not know - 109 (3.67%)
3.67%
Russia and the Russian people. Poll

In principle, it is no secret that the Russian people are currently experiencing a systemic crisis. The number of the Russian people is reduced, the geographical area of ​​its distribution has seriously narrowed, two branches of the superethnos of the Russians — White Russians and Little Russians — are rapidly turning into new nationalities, they are trying to isolate Pomors, Cossacks, Siberians from the Russian people, and the number of people who speak the Russian language continues to decline. Threatens the national security of Russia moral, intellectual and physical degradation of Russian. And since the Russian people are the core of Russian statehood, this crisis will inevitably affect the strength of the state system and the political stability of the Russian Federation. If in the coming years conceptual measures that affect the entire life of Russia are not taken, Russian civilization may not survive the global systemic crisis. And if he survives, then degenerates into something very far from historical Russia.

At the same time, along with the countries of Europe and North America, the Russian Federation became the most attractive region of the planet for migrants. Taking into account the fact that at present the basis of migrants is represented by “strangers” in terms of culture, religion, mentality and at the same time the possibilities for mass migration have dramatically increased (means of transport communication, transparency of borders, etc.), this process has become a real threat to national security. . Under the blow, not only the Russian people, but in general all the peoples of the white race (Caucasians), they simply disappear from the face of the planet, losing in the "demographic battle". Hundreds of thousands, millions of migrants do not dissolve in Russia and European countries, the theory of the "melting pot" is true only in relation to the migrants of their related cultures. So, the Russians quickly assimilate into the USA and Europe. Germans, Irish, Scots and other Europeans become Russians in the second, third generation Russians. Individual representatives of other cultures are assimilated, but during mass migration, they create their enclaves, communities that gradually strengthen their positions, “conquering” the surrounding space. As a result, there are entire neighborhoods in Europe where their laws reign. At the same time, there are a lot of accompanying negative phenomena, such as rising crime, a decline in the general level of education in schools, where a significant percentage of migrant children appear, etc. We see similar phenomena in Moscow and other major Russian cities. Foreign entities are formed in the national fabric of states.

Two negative trends are superimposed on each other: the core of Russian civilization continues to collapse - the Russian people and at the same time there is a serious increase in the number of representatives of alien cultures in Russia. The result of this will be very sad - in a few decades the Russians will no longer be masters of their country, the state that their ancestors built generation after generation. Most of them will be transformed into a cosmopolitan mass, which only the “modernized” language will be related to the Russian people. A small minority that will try to preserve the basic traditions of the Rus superethnos will be isolated in small communities that cannot influence the processes of the state level.

Here it is necessary to add another negative factor that interacts with the above mentioned ones. External "partners" (enemies) cultivate various kinds of local national separatists in Russia. Including the Russians - “Pomors”, “Ingermanlanders”, “Kaliningraders”, etc.

What measures can be taken?

- One of the measures was voiced by 19 on April, participants in the hearings of the World Russian People’s Council, which was held in Moscow. They called for consideration of the question of formalizing the status of state-forming for the Russian people. At the Council, quite a sensible idea was expressed about the need to form a holistic concept of state support for the Russian people within the Russian Federation and abroad.

In addition, in the opinion of the participants of the Sobor, it is necessary to legally secure for every Russian person the right to obtain Russian citizenship regardless of place, date of birth and country of residence - by analogy with the relevant standards in the legislation of Israel, Germany and Hungary. It is clear that this measure needs to be expanded - all representatives of the indigenous ethnic groups (Tatars, Mari, Udmurts, Buryats, Komi, etc.) have this right.

- At the Council it was said about the need to develop a strategy for re-creating the foundations of the Russian national-cultural identity in order to preserve the Russian civilization. Measures in the socio-economic and cultural spheres should create a system, an integrated social industry that will shape and maintain Russian identity. A particularly large role must be given to the Russian language, its protection, approval and distribution. It was also about the construction of Russian cultural, family and youth centers.

A lot of work needs to be done to restore Russianness. It’s time to remember that we have our own story (and not legends about “ordinary Ryan”), our own traditional clothes, architecture, hand-to-hand fighting (it was the Russians who beat all possible opponents, and not the semi-mythical ninja and Shaolin monks), behavior style, life concepts , songs, legends. Behind us is a thousand-year-old culture that has its roots in the darkness of primitive times. Who are we copying? Americans? A pseudo-people who were created artificially in the last two or three centuries. This is not a people, but a test tube clone.

- Measures are needed to stimulate the birth rate of the Russian people and those peoples of the Russian Federation who are also experiencing a demographic crisis (de facto are dying out). There are some steps in this direction, in particular, it was announced that in those regions where there is a negative demographic focus (these are mainly Great Russian regions), to establish an additional allowance for families with a third or more children. This is absolutely the right step. Russians are the core of Russia, if their numbers fall below 70-80% of the total number of citizens of the Russian Federation, the death of a thousand-year civilization is inevitable.

- Migration policy should be revised. At a mass settlement in Russia (tens and hundreds of thousands), you can invite representatives of peoples who are close to us in the cultural, historical and mental plans - Europeans. The direct descendants of immigrants from our homeland have the full right to settle in Russia. Natives from Africa, the Arab world, Central, Southeast Asia need to accept only those who have the necessary qualifications for the country or have earned the right to be a citizen of Russia.

If there is a need for workers for large-scale construction projects, introduce strict controls. The state or private enterprises (depending on whose project it is) should create special camps for workers, where they should be provided with everything necessary for a normal life during the working process. After completion of the project, all workers must return to their homeland.

It is necessary to understand one simple thing. Every nation has its own historical habitat - the Chinese - China, the Tajiks - Tajikistan, the Azerbaijanis - Azerbaijan. Mass relocation leads to the breakdown of traditional ties. It is possible to understand, as a human being, Africans, Asians, who flee their countries in search of happiness, i.e., water, electricity, gas, developed social support system, education system, medicine and other benefits of civilization . But there are interests of the Russian people, all indigenous peoples of Russia, the interests of the state, civilization - they stand higher. The question is whether we want to save Russia and the Russian people.
Author:
246 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. domokl
    domokl April 23 2012 07: 43
    -57
    Absolute, designed for illiterate boys ... China and other countries are exactly the same multinational as we are ... Remember the Beijing Olympics, more than 150 nationalities are represented ... If we define Russians, then who are they? Europeans? But I'm Asian. So it turned out that the face of the face is European, but I live and was born in Siberia, in Asia .. Am I not Russian? But are the Kuban Cossacks black-haired, too, not Russian? Do the Permians speak funny Russian, also not Russian? Minus definitely ...
    1. oper66
      oper66 April 23 2012 07: 57
      +117
      no domocles, you’re wrong - if it’s impossible for Russians, why can Yakuts have preference and rights for others even in Sakha-Yakutia and their 11% of the population is in power and priority for entering universities or Tatarstan - everywhere there is a priority for the titular republican nation and there are capitals and only the Russians, as in the USSR, have no priority, and even their capital, or is it a reckoning for the fact that we are a nation-building and protecting this multinational house and if this is so, it is necessary to distinguish it from the general mass even of cultures since Russian culture is the basis of the cultures of other nations as well as the language - and if this should be fixed at the legal level, then we have every thing with other blackjacks that have more rights than the Russian population and it is necessary to return column 5 nationality to the passport
      1. domokl
        domokl April 23 2012 08: 03
        -49
        My dear, if we now make the borders of Russia or Russia, then what about the rest? Who lives in these borders? And about the priorities for admission .. So back in tsarist time, in order to occupy a position in some kind of national education, Russians passed exams on knowledge of the local language and customs ... This, I recall, was under the empire ... But universities prepare personnel for their republic ...
        Why did you take this hack so? For the most part they know Russian, they know the history and culture of our people and live nearby without any concern .. And why do you want to live in their locality not according to their laws?
        1. oper66
          oper66 April 23 2012 08: 45
          +72
          Then if you think that the issue of recognition of the status of the Russian people is not a right question, there is an alternative to returning to the state system of the Russian Empire where there were no divisions on the basis of nationality of the territory - but there were provinces - i.e. it is necessary to abolish all the republics and autonomies and restore the governorate where all peoples will have equal rights and the capital will be the same for all or you are against the statements of Oldtr Russia or Russia appeared, well, bring down living there - these are the manifestations of nationalism, so why blame the Russians - well how do you agree to the abolition of republics and autonomies and the reorganization of an administrative state was forgotten whether the question of Russians was understood in Tatarstan where in the media, with the support of the republican authorities and the connivance of law enforcement officers, they insulted the Russians by calling them occupants and requiring special rights for the Tatars, you are ready to prevent the rise of the prestige of Russians how willing to violently defend your exclusivity
          1. domokl
            domokl April 23 2012 08: 51
            +8
            This will be done ... National republics are the legacy of the Bolsheviks .. It was they who introduced this management option ... By the way, the same Zhirik has long spoken about this ...
            I think that if you look at the map of the administrative division of Russia, you can ALREADY see several such regions, united not by nationality, but by economic basis ... And this process will continue .. Another thing is that you won’t quickly do this simply because outbreaks are possible separatism ...
            1. oper66
              oper66 April 23 2012 09: 11
              +26
              Yes, the division on the national grounds of territories is the legacy of Trotsky — a delayed-release mine that has been exploding for a long time. Yes there is a consolidation by region — but they are an integral part of the national republics of the autonomy and the okrug, but they should be eliminated and the outbreak of separatism is now appearing on the contrary - an example is Chechen Kabarda of Tatarstan - if they deprive the national admin of the borders, then they will lose motivation for separatism and extremism since the country will change in its structure and will be called differently - Russia and not the Russian Federation - that’s the essence and then the question of the superiority of one nationality to another will disappear contradictions should not be blamed for all the sins of Russians
          2. oper66
            oper66 April 23 2012 09: 03
            +14
            Well, here is the result of the fact that you do not want to abolish the administrative division of territories on a national basis, your minuses i.e. you want to be independent and do not want to lose your privilege, but demand this from the Russians so that we renounce our rights - so where is the truth
            1. older
              older April 23 2012 09: 10
              +10
              My dear, I am also Russian like you and Russian domocles .. I know him .. Sorry for getting involved in your discussion, but ... Russians are more than a nation, more than a people .. Russian eito state of mind and look around ... President , Prime Minister, most of the ministers are Russian .. But not Russian ministers, which is worse? Look at the same Shoigu ... I think you are talking about the same thing but not reading each other's answers ...
              1. general-oberst
                general-oberst April 23 2012 18: 43
                +8
                Nurgaliyev should be especially noted, the guy beats, and the exit is zero. But in Tatarstan, not everything is safe, and nationalism and separatism have their place there. It’s necessary, some kind, either a journalist or a correspondent. In general, a man with a higher education announced that the Russian invaders and the Tatars had not signed a peace treaty with Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible. Now I don’t know how sinful we are to live without this agreement. laughing
            2. domokl
              domokl April 23 2012 09: 38
              +16
              Who are you? I’m Russian .. The officer of the Soviet army, from a family of Russian hereditary officers ... And my ancestors and I defended Russia, both imperial and Soviet, and my son also got a democratic one ... So why I do not fit your definition ? The question of abolishing the current division is stupid .... We will get a lot of Chechnya .. Tatarstan, Bashkiria, and all the rest ... If you don’t have enough mind to understand that it is necessary to abolish the territorial division on an economic basis, then your place is among skinheads .. .
          3. alexdol
            alexdol April 24 2012 20: 37
            +1
            I fully support the author of oper66, and the article is definitely PLUS!
        2. zlibeni
          zlibeni April 23 2012 08: 58
          -24
          and because he doesn’t want it because he considers himself master of these people and never recognizes him at least as equal. but this kind of pride knows where it leads.
          and therefore he asks for some special rights for himself. only he forgot that the same Chechen is a Russian citizen like him.
        3. general-oberst
          general-oberst April 23 2012 09: 16
          +68
          And why should I live at home according to the laws. They have wild morals, rampant antics, practically no culture, everything rests on clanism, kinship and nepotism. The local young generation is impudent, arrogant, arrogant and looks at everyone around with a sense of superiority and creates its outrages with special cynicism. And when they live in their own districts and streets of foreign cities, then their whole negative increases significantly. They despise all their surrounding space together with the inhabitants and try to show their superiority, although they live in a different region or city than their own republic. Even in Moscow, this is becoming commonplace. Young hachivozs dance lezginka with weapons almost on the red square, and shooting, almost on display, here we are and we all wanted to spit. am
          1. esaul
            esaul April 23 2012 09: 39
            +21
            Quote: general-oberst
            And why should I live at home according to the laws of Khachiks or ulusniks

            Igor, welcome. Yes, you should not live according to national laws that abhor you. The question here is different - there should be ONE ALL-RUSSIAN LAW, obligatory for everyone and punishing any manifestations of the imposition of customs of one nationality on another. The punishment must be harsh and unquestioningly recognized by all nationalities of the country. If we go down in history, the most democratic and tolerant multi-confessional state in the Middle East was the city-state of Jerusalem. And he was like that until the first crusade, when the crusaders, speculating with national feelings, raised a neighbor against a neighbor ... Since then, the mess has grown to a global scale, and the real culprit (Vatican) has gone into the shadows and now, at times, even hypocritically tries to talk about brotherhood and so on ... Russia is, in general, a unique concept and it has withstood this interreligious bacchanalia thanks to the tolerance of one faith to another. Of course, not everything was so glorious, but Russia has avoided the "Protestant Nights" or "Night of Long Knives" in its history.
            1. general-oberst
              general-oberst April 23 2012 11: 32
              +6
              Entirely and completely on your side.
          2. domokl
            domokl April 23 2012 09: 42
            +20
            And you come to our Siberia and you will see that our khachiks and uluses, as you call them, live according to our laws ... According to ours and not to yours ... Maybe it’s your business? You’re a little cowardly, so that the state would protect you ?
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm April 23 2012 10: 50
              +28
              For domoki They haven't come in large numbers to you, you can see your living conditions are still somewhat harsh, how to improve so wait for the guests. In Siberia, there are mainly factories, and these khachiks are not particularly attractive for "spinning lilies".
              The article is definitely a plus. Himself wanted to write a similar one. The problem exists, and it must be solved.
            2. late
              late April 23 2012 12: 15
              +9
              That's it! When I served, my companions were two Dagestanis. Sometimes, I fought with them, but NEVER, on national grounds! We did not have a part of nationalism, there was, as everywhere, a division by conscription and by personal qualities. Who will say that the army is not an example, I’ll answer that the same guys who now live in civilian service served there. Ordinary people despise not on a national basis.
              1. NKVD
                NKVD April 23 2012 12: 37
                +8
                He served in the training "churok", there were many in the troops, not a single brigade commander said: "I need that the service be dragged, no x ... do" ... so in the Soviet army there was a national question
              2. vlbelugin
                vlbelugin April 23 2012 14: 09
                +19
                When there are one or two of them, these are not very bad fighters. But if a dozen, then these are completely different people. Therefore, in the Soviet Army they did not produce much in one unit. Shuffled in parts.
                1. lotus04
                  lotus04 April 26 2012 04: 38
                  0
                  Come on! He served 87-89gg in Mongolia. There were 38 nationalities in our tank regiment, there were only 5 Russian people in the company. There was no hazing, but there was fraternity. They fought often, because the guys from the Caucasus respect only power, but with whom they got into a fight, they went almost to their best friends before the demobilization. Eh would return time back, with pleasure would serve again!
            3. vlbelugin
              vlbelugin April 23 2012 14: 15
              +40
              Everywhere they can be restrained. But one big BUT. If we touch them - this is CHOVINISM-ARTICLE-TIME. The howl of the leaders of their diasporas. If they are us. In extreme cases, hooliganism. And then they will pay off.
              And people do not ask for the protection of the authorities from them. They demand the same attitude towards both Russians and our lesser "brothers".
              So it turns out that the Russians are disenfranchised nationality.
              And they are impudent and impudent from impunity.
              1. LTL70
                LTL70 April 24 2012 11: 52
                +3
                Totally agree!
              2. lotus04
                lotus04 April 26 2012 04: 40
                -1
                Definitely!
            4. Goga
              Goga April 23 2012 19: 55
              +3
              domokl - Alexander, I fully support - I'm talking about the same - they humiliate the one who allows himself to be humiliated, the impression is that on the other side of the Urals, something wrong is happening with the men. Do they think that some kind of legally enshrined "status" at once among all "non-local" will cause respect for the titular nation? Oh, nafig, respect appears for completely different reasons ... fool
            5. Mahamont
              Mahamont April 23 2012 20: 11
              +6
              That's for sure. You can at least in Urengoy ask how "immigrants" were built there in due time. Love to listen. And still as silk. Intercourse only suits and that's it.
            6. LTL70
              LTL70 April 24 2012 11: 46
              +8
              And you, Domokles, call to us in the North Caucasus, live a couple of years and forget that you are Russian, despite the fact that even in ancient times, the Slavs lived here before the Polovtsy and Kipchaks (the ancestors of modern North Caucasian peoples)! As a result of the short-sighted migration policy of the pseudo-democrats of the Yeltsin Spill, Russians are being pushed out of their ancestral lands by creeping miracles of "unfortunate", aggressive and unscrupulous representatives of the North Caucasian ethnic groups on Russian culture and traditions. I'll see what laws you will live by with "khachiks" and "ulusniks", as you call them. You even have no idea who they are and where they come from, but we have more than 100 nationalities - so teach them to live according to "our laws." In any city, day and night, he behaves like a master, not noticing around neither the elderly nor just people not from his AULA, and when indignant with this indignant inhabitants they are branded as nationalists inciting ethnic hatred (they are branded in line with the policy of the central authorities) and local officials - lackeys !
            7. LTL70
              LTL70 April 24 2012 12: 08
              +4
              I answered you, but the moderators removed the comment precisely because by speaking the truth about relations with the Caucasian peoples, I incite interethnic strife. You call the guests khachikamia, ulusniks, but you have no idea that khachiks and ulusniks are not North Caucasian peoples at all, but Armenians and Tatar-Mongol peoples. Since these peoples always live with Russians in normal relations (not counting the invasion of monogols) Armenians are decent, educated and well-mannered people. Normal and "ulusniki" - problems with the village residents. Come to us in the North Caucasus, you will learn to understand the national question !!
            8. I627z
              I627z April 24 2012 17: 26
              +2
              The whole one? You better come to Moscow and show how to force, for example, the former Cherkizon to live according to your laws. And be safe, or something.
          3. zlibeni
            zlibeni April 23 2012 10: 24
            -15
            and a Chechen, where do you live? Does he live at your place? According to the constitution of the Russian Federation, this is your common country, Russia. And I agree with Esaul that you need to enact laws against chauvinism. Nationalism is not bad when a person remembers and honors his roots and this is worthy of respect. chauvinism is extremely dangerous as an extreme form of nationalism, such as someone who is not with us is against us and the urine of a bastard. The bastard may disagree and also begin to wet another bastard in his perception. That is you
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man April 23 2012 12: 36
              +15
              zlibeni,
              Not quite so, we have one village, and each has a house, there are relatives, but there are just neighbors.
              A good neighbor is better than a distant relative, the Russian proverb says, the Russian people are distinguished by great religious tolerance and internationalism, but we really do not like it when they impose on us
              1. zlibeni
                zlibeni April 23 2012 13: 22
                -8
                Well, if you think so, who is to blame for you, that you are moving farther and farther apart from each other. In Russia, it so happened that the peoples are of their own free will, and who are not of their own, but live in the same country. If you divide it into your own and others it is so natural that extreme nationalist movements will arise. if you judge by your logic, if you don’t let the Chechen to you or the Ossetian, they have exactly the right not to let you in. And naturally, thoughts of separatism will arise in this case. thoughts
                1. LTL70
                  LTL70 April 24 2012 12: 16
                  +5
                  Also not literate - Ossetians are normal people with centuries-old culture and respectable traditions, so if an Ossetian comes to visit you should be happy and meet him with PRINCIPAL Russian hospitality, they will not dance lezginka in your yard without asking at 2 a.m. !
              2. valeri51d
                valeri51d April 23 2012 15: 43
                0
                Are you here again? They told you to leave the site ....
          4. Che
            Che April 24 2012 08: 31
            +4
            Tatars have always been part of Russia. The current notions of our enemies are encouraged by nationalist idiots from Tatarstan.
          5. lcalex
            lcalex April 24 2012 13: 49
            +6
            I fully support it. You can spread antimony as much as you like about: "Who is Russian, and who will decide?" But this will not stop the rapid decline in the number of Russians. It is clear and undeniable that Russia is a multinational state, but what is happening now? And now migrants from all over the world flock to Russia like locusts. They carry an alien culture and do not want to live in Russian in Russia. Those. climb into a strange monastery with their own charter. They flock and spit on our laws. They breed here and get paid for it. I apologize for not being able to give a link, but I saw somewhere in the u-tube a banned social. an advertisement where some churek with a brazen muzzle says: "Do you know why we build so much and cheaply in the Russian Federation? Because we build for OUR children. And there will be no Russians soon ..." Well, it further says that this refugees are paid such compensation that Russian young mothers only dream of. In addition, a child born in Russia already has Russian citizenship, and learns to speak Russian only so that the store understands
        4. oper66
          oper66 April 23 2012 09: 28
          +19
          that’s because they don’t want to live in our lands according to our laws — and the law on the territory of the state should be the same for everyone regardless of nationality, and if republican universities train personnel for their republic then for whom they prepare universities located in the territory of their native Russian residence from the republics? It is not necessary to juggle it is necessary to be objective and not to emphasize subjectivity, since separatism flourishes in the same universities of the republics, where the local elite, in an attempt to denote their exclusivity, trains cadres of ardent nationalists with a focus on the collapse of the country, since any autonomy is the beginning of caries that corrodes the monolith of statehood
        5. apro
          apro April 23 2012 11: 12
          +4
          Totally agree with you
          domokl this path leads to disintegration. For the sake of some strange values ​​to endanger our common home. It is clear that the Yakuts are not blue-eyed blondes and are not pulled by the Europeans like the Mari Chuvashs of the Ossetian Nivkh. Someone thinks that if we isolate ourselves from them we will become Europeans ? Here we need a different approach - the national type of the communist.
        6. brr77
          brr77 April 23 2012 17: 01
          +9
          Domoki, you better ask why all nationalities: Tarain, Bashkir, Tajik, Uzbek are nouns, and RUSSIAN is an adjective. And because Russian is not a nationality as such, a representative of any nationality can be Russian, if HE thinks in Russian, speaks Russian, carries (promotes) Russian culture and customs. Read more in S. Alekseev's book "Russia. We and the World."
      2. older
        older April 23 2012 08: 09
        -9
        The path that the author offers is the path to the collapse of the country ... No more, no less ... Russia or Russia appeared, well, bring it down to live there .. You are exactly the same as us and you did not create this multinational state .... Russia therefore, it remains that the Russians are cementing all these national entities and I consider any of them Russia .. With all the ensuing consequences ...
        1. ytqnhfk
          ytqnhfk April 23 2012 08: 24
          +15
          The Russians are cementing, but the rest are falling apart, they come and bring their foundations and religion and much more and observe all their vows and laws, and here lies the danger that they with their own rules are in our monastery! more than once I saw how Caucasians in our baths washed themselves in their underwear; religion does not allow us to wash differently with us! WELL AND OTHER EXAMPLES ENOUGH.
          1. late
            late April 23 2012 12: 23
            +1
            Well, I don’t believe it. Judging by army recollections. We have all the guys washed normally.
            1. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch April 23 2012 21: 51
              -2
              probably walked in underpants constantly.
          2. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch April 23 2012 21: 49
            +5
            Quote: ytqnhfk
            The Russians are cementing, but the rest are falling apart, they come and bring their foundations and religion and much more and observe all their vows and laws, and here lies the danger that they with their own rules are in our monastery!

            I would add, over time, ignoring more and more our traditions, our social relations, our principles and morality.
      3. wk
        wk April 23 2012 08: 25
        +17
        Quote: oper66
        it is necessary to return column 5 nationality to the passport

        +++ ... this question has been unreasonably forgotten, but it concerns not only Russians .... show me a people who want to lose their self-identity ???
        1. NIVOVOD
          NIVOVOD April 23 2012 08: 35
          -1
          Do you seriously believe that self-identity is in the passport box?
          1. wk
            wk April 23 2012 08: 49
            +18
            Quote: NIVOVOD
            Do you seriously believe that self-identity is in the passport box?

            Following your logic, you can abandon the name and surname, and replace everything with a serial number, and self-identify yourself at the level of consciousness .... I was very upset when the USSR passport with the nationality column had to be exchanged for "Russian" .... "Russian - criminal terminology ... for example France or Iran are multinational countries, but no one calls themselves "French" or "Iranians",
            1. NIVOVOD
              NIVOVOD April 23 2012 08: 52
              -9
              Do not distort, otherwise it turns out that following your logic in your passport you need to indicate both religion and political views and outlooks on life - this is all our self-identification.
              1. Odinplys
                Odinplys April 23 2012 15: 31
                +6
                NIVOVOD, The passport should say a citizen of Russia ... (such) nationality ... And nationality should be determined by genetic data passing from the ancestors ... Russian cannot be written ... if he is Jewish ... (this should be criminally punishable)
                I am Belarus in the eighth generation ... and I personally won’t be hurt by the question ... what is the Russian People ... language ... culture ... is the core ... that on the basis of the supremacy of the Russian People ... we have the honor belong to Great Russia ...
                Many need to reduce pride ...
            2. Dan099
              Dan099 April 23 2012 09: 07
              0
              For example, I also do not like the word Russian, but I know Russian or not even without a column in the passport, moreover, when filling out a birth certificate for a child, they are now asking their parents for their nationality and there is a great chance, for example, a Jew to become Russian ... Do you want the share of the Russian population to constantly grow?

              Answer me the question: how to call a resident of Latvia, Russian by nationality?

              Answer me the question: how to call a resident of Latvia, Russian by nationality?
              1. wk
                wk April 23 2012 09: 08
                +4
                Quote: Dan099
                there is a great chance, for example, a Jew to become Russian .... do you want the share of the Russian population to constantly grow?

                in the USSR, any person upon reaching adulthood (or at 16, I don’t remember exactly) a person could choose his nationality and change his last name, regardless of the data on the birth certificate, and people whose parents of different nationalities could also choose ANY, no problems ... I remember a case where a fellow student changed his last name and nationality to his mother's last name ... yes, it seems at age 18.
                1. Dan099
                  Dan099 April 23 2012 09: 24
                  +7
                  You are a little confused.
                  In the USSR, changing nationality was possible only if you only take it from your mother, for example, and not from your father. But if you were Jewish by both parents, then in this case it was impossible to change nationality to Azerbaijani.
                  1. wk
                    wk April 23 2012 09: 52
                    +4
                    Quote: Dan099
                    But if you were Jewish by both parents, then in this case it was impossible to change nationality to Azerbaijani.

                    not true .... I have not heard about Azerbaijanis, but half of the Jews (if not more) of the USSR changed their nationality to "Russian", "Ukrainian" and "Belarusian". remember the "politically incorrect" anecdote about the passport ...
                    1. 50508.8
                      50508.8 April 23 2012 23: 42
                      +3
                      My friend was at school, a good man, so his mother is Jewish, his father is Tatar, and in the first grade he was recorded in the journal as a Jew, in the second grade as a Tatar, and in the third he became Russian. USSR, beginning of the 70s.
                    2. serge
                      serge April 24 2012 10: 58
                      +1
                      In the passport, nationality is easy to change, but here's the face, sorry, you can not change.
                      1. general-oberst
                        general-oberst 6 August 2012 12: 47
                        0
                        What about Michael Jackson? This monkey is even more pale-faced laughing than many Europeans, I do not write Europeans, because now in Europe there are a lot of blue-black and coal-black Europeans.
                2. Odinplys
                  Odinplys April 23 2012 15: 14
                  +2
                  wk, Nationality cannot be changed ... it is determined at the genetic level ...
                  1. sinandju
                    sinandju April 25 2012 20: 19
                    +1
                    OdinPlys (2) Nationality cannot be changed ... it is determined at the genetic level ...
                    That you are not right about the genetics of nationality. Americans are a nation, but they don’t exist at the genetic level. This question has long had to be looked more broadly. Nationality - self-identity, a Jew can be disgusted to be a Jew if a person grows in a different environment and he becomes closer alien nation. Obama was not born in America either, but American in spirit, and Schwarzenegger too. Yes, and we have examples in Russia.
              2. tverskoi77
                tverskoi77 April 23 2012 17: 17
                +1
                A person must decide what nationality he is and what to call him. But the state should clearly regulate this process - the law is needed.
              3. general-oberst
                general-oberst April 23 2012 18: 13
                +1
                They have a short answer - Occupant.
            3. Dan099
              Dan099 April 23 2012 09: 08
              +2
              Answer me the question: how to call a resident of Latvia, Russian by nationality?
              1. wk
                wk April 23 2012 09: 15
                +5
                Russian or Latvian, who he considers himself .... "Latvian" does not exist, but a citizen of Latvia, as well as a citizen of Russia - yes .... or would you advise a Belarusian citizen of Poland to be called "white polyak"?
                1. Dan099
                  Dan099 April 23 2012 09: 26
                  +1
                  So the British do not exist? and Canadians and Brazilians and Libyans and Syrians? since there are no such nationalities in your understanding ...
                  In your opinion there is only a Libyan citizen of Arab nationality)
                  1. Dust
                    Dust April 23 2012 09: 30
                    +7
                    You are a native of Wales or a Scot, try to explain that he is British! To the French Canadians too ...
                    Arabs from different countries are also having a difficult story ...
                    1. Dan099
                      Dan099 April 23 2012 09: 40
                      -1
                      Have you talked a lot with the natives of Wales and the Scots?
                    2. PSih2097
                      PSih2097 April 23 2012 22: 56
                      +2
                      You are a native of Wales or a Scot, try to explain that he is British!

                      The subject of the British crown. this is de jure ...
                  2. wk
                    wk April 23 2012 09: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: Dan099
                    So the British do not exist?

                    "British military" or "British scientist", "British politician" - yes, but British as a nationality - of course not.
                  3. zlibeni
                    zlibeni April 23 2012 10: 31
                    -1
                    and there is no American or Canadian nationality. That's why they say an American of French descent or how to get it. And in the passports of most countries, nationality means citizenship. That is, what country you belong to. And Russia is no exception
                    1. carver
                      carver April 23 2012 11: 32
                      +7
                      So we are just for this: Tatar is a citizen of Russia, Russian is a citizen of Russia, etc.
                  4. carver
                    carver April 23 2012 11: 30
                    +6
                    Do not try to make everyone universal there are subjects of the British crown, but they are not British at all.
                2. Odinplys
                  Odinplys April 23 2012 15: 18
                  +5
                  wk, A citizen of a country ... and nationality ... different things ...
                  It is necessary to return nationality to the passport ...
              2. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych April 23 2012 09: 44
                +6
                Russian, of course - and the Latvians do not hold him for their own ...
              3. Dust
                Dust April 23 2012 09: 48
                +6
                Do you think I automatically become an Uzbek? And you would not go, my dear ...
                1. Dust
                  Dust April 23 2012 09: 56
                  +6
                  Sculpt cons automatically?
                  Also here they want to deprive me of Russianness ...
                2. carver
                  carver April 23 2012 11: 36
                  +3
                  Well, if you have a dad - an Uzbek, mom - an Uzbek woman who are you Chukchi chtol ??? And if the parents are Russian, then of course Russian, and if you live in Uzbekistan, then you also have citizenship as a citizen of Uzbekistan.
                3. zlibeni
                  zlibeni April 23 2012 13: 16
                  -8
                  and if it means automatically under the flag of Uzbekistan))))))))))))))) amiable world practice))))))))))))))) according to the UN standards, everyone chooses his country of residence. nobody forces you to live in Uzbekistan))))))))))))) Well, if you live there it means you are Uzbek)))))))))))))))
                  1. Svyatoslav
                    Svyatoslav April 23 2012 14: 40
                    0
                    Not an Uzbek, but an Uzbek.
                  2. Dust
                    Dust April 23 2012 14: 44
                    +5
                    Nobody forces me to live, but I was just born here when there was still a single Union ...
                  3. olegyurjewitch
                    olegyurjewitch April 23 2012 22: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: zlibeni
                    and if under the flag of Uzbekistan it means automatically Uzbek)))

                    Strange how do you perceive everything, YOU ARE RUSSIAN, and you live even on the Moon, you are Russian by nationality! Who is the RUSSIAN? A citizen of the Russian Federation, regardless of nationality. Then I think it’s clear.
            4. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch April 23 2012 21: 56
              +1
              In Russia, a citizen of the FEDERATION is implied to be RUSSIAN, regardless of national or ethnicity.
      4. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 23 2012 11: 38
        +1
        I want to add to your words the anecdote that went under Brezhnev
        Carter - American President - Says
        - We have every yacht
        Brezhnev
        - You go to the Baltic states there too at all yachts
        Carter:
        - We have every villa, GARDENS
        Brezhnev
        - And you go to Ukraine to Moldova with us there! every garden
        Crankcase
        - Lenya! What do you mean about the Baltic states, Moldovan, you ask about Russians
        Brezhnev
        -I don’t ask how your Negroes live!

        I want to add to your words the anecdote that went under Brezhnev
        Carter - American President - Says
        - We have every yacht
        Brezhnev
        - You go to the Baltic states there too at all yachts
        Carter:
        - We have every villa, GARDENS
        Brezhnev
        - And you go to Ukraine to Moldova with us there! every garden
        Crankcase
        - Lenya! What do you mean about the Baltic states, Moldovan, you ask about Russians
        Brezhnev
        -I don’t ask how your Negroes live!

        I want to add to your words the anecdote that went under Brezhnev
        Carter - American President - Says
        - We have every yacht
        Brezhnev
        - You go to the Baltic states there too at all yachts
        Carter:
        - We have every villa, GARDENS
        Brezhnev
        - And you go to Ukraine to Moldova with us there! every garden
        Crankcase
        - Lenya! What do you mean about the Baltic states, Moldovan, you ask about Russians
        Brezhnev
        -I don’t ask how your Negroes live!

        Dear oper66

        I want to add to your words the joke that went under Brezhnev

        Carter - American President - Says
        - We have every yacht!
        Brezhnev
        - You go to the Baltic states there too at all yachts!
        Carter:
        - We have every villa, gardens!
        Brezhnev
        - And you go to Ukraine to Moldova with us there! .. Each has gardens
        Crankcase
        - Lenya! What do you tell me about the Baltic states, Moldovan, tell me about the Russians
        Brezhnev
        -I don’t ask how your Negroes live!

        I want to add to your words the joke that went under Brezhnev

        Carter -American President - Says
        - We have every yacht!
        Brezhnev
        - You go to the Baltic states there, too, at all yachts!
        Carter:
        - We have every villa, gardens!
        Brezhnev
        - And you go to Ukraine to Moldova with us there! .. Each has gardens
        Crankcase
        - Lenya! What are you telling me about the Baltic states, Moldavan, tell me about the Russians
        Brezhnev
        -I don’t ask how your Negroes live!
      5. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 23 2012 11: 44
        +13
        Respected
        I want to add to your words the joke that went under Brezhnev

        Carter - American President - Says
        - We have every yacht!
        Brezhnev
        - You go to the Baltic states there, too, at all yachts!
        Carter:
        - We have every villa, gardens!
        Brezhnev
        - And you go to Ukraine to Moldova with us there! .. Each has gardens
        Crankcase
        - Lenya! What are you telling me about the Baltic states, Moldavan, tell me about the Russians
        Brezhnev
        -I don’t ask how your Negroes live!
    2. esaul
      esaul April 23 2012 08: 02
      +20
      domokl,
      Here we again rest against the need for a GENERAL NATIONAL IDEA. Not on a piece of paper, it is necessary to confirm the role of the state-forming Russian people, but by categorically prohibiting all manifestations of anti-Russianism and avoiding Russian culture and the Russian language as a language of interethnic communication. In Tatarstan, here, you can play through the next nationalist sabbat if you continue to turn a blind eye to the reduction in the teaching of Russian language schools and cherishing schools with teaching in the national language, and at the same time calmly relate to the tacit patronage of the authorities of Tatarstan. In such cases, the reaction should be quick and clearly harsh. In the Union it was set very clearly and it just needs to be revived. And language and culture will do a lot ...
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim April 23 2012 08: 11
        +2
        How would such matters not come to the point of ethnic strife!
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm April 23 2012 16: 53
          +8
          For tronin.maxim And that according to your ethnic hatred is not there, open your eyes, it has already come national hatred.
          In my opinion, there are even some external forces that contribute to ethnic hatred. They hit in a weak spot, the question of nationality has always been very complex and controversial.
          The question is not whether you are a Chechen or a Tatar or Russian, but whether you consider Russia your family or not.
      2. older
        older April 23 2012 08: 13
        +3
        Hello Valera! In my understanding, what I’ve read right now is a well-thought-out sabotage .. Designed for boys, or rather for a part of the birdies in leather jackets and shaved bald .... You can’t give birth to an idea .. She herself will be born and become the main one ... I remember 08 year ... All nationalities of Russia fought, even Chechen battalions .. And no one rebuked them that they were not Russian, they were all Russian soldiers ...
        1. esaul
          esaul April 23 2012 08: 22
          +8
          older,
          I agree, Sergey. Greetings. The example from 080808 revealed everything very clearly. In the face of an external enemy, national claims disappear. Is it only the white ribbon workers who do not catch up to this. In fact, not only in 080808 can one see the unity of the spirit and aspirations of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE. In special units, the guys do not look at your face, but look at your deeds. Any publication, any living testimony and their observations and experience give a lot of confirmation of this. When I served, even if they quarreled among themselves using "chump", it was only half-jokingly (without reference to nationality) and no one held grudges. I still have two of my fellow Tartars as friends.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky April 23 2012 09: 22
        +13
        esaul- Good health, Valera! I read the article, well, respectively, and I bring my opinion to court. And it is such, Russians as a nation in Russia are a kind of catalyst in interethnic relations. Should this catalyst reduce its percentage at any specific point, local nationalism instantly arises. Everyone is striving for dominant superiority; certain enclaves based on national characteristics begin to emerge. Take the same Chinese, this nation in no country in the world is assimilating with the indigenous population, Chinatowns everywhere have their own rules and laws. So there are a lot of pitfalls, most of which arose after a broad sovereign gesture of EBN.
        1. esaul
          esaul April 23 2012 09: 50
          +3
          Tersky,
          Victor, welcome, buddy. Sound reasoning is quite and giving confirmation that for the Russian people should not be created privileged conditions, but EQUAL for all nationalities of the country. And now there are quite justified resentments among Russian people for peculiar oppression against them, in comparison with other nationalities. And many troubles lie in connivance at the center of power for localistic manifestations, the difference in all social conditions (where the Russians, largely due to corrupt officials, are oppressed in their capabilities) and the lack of proper control over the situation in this area. And tireless ideological work on all spectra of social policy!
          1. Desert Fox
            Desert Fox April 23 2012 10: 25
            +21
            The saddest thing is that we, as the GREAT PEOPLE, the GREAT NATIONS, endure all this. In addition, we indulge ourselves and contribute. You will turn around on the backside, you don’t have to look far. Take as an example our ancestors, whose descendants we are. We forget about this great past of our country, about the exploits of our grandfathers, which they accomplished during our better life. In addition, they themselves wanted and sought to live. Yes, even as sought.
            These were our fathers and grandfathers. They were persecuted, tortured, destroyed, but they still did business, lived on aspirations and goals no matter what. Pressure, repression, poverty, meanness of worthless officials could not stop their dreams and desires! DESIRE TO LIVE. But most importantly, they had these dreams and desires. Where did they go with us?
            Why can't we like them? Why do many of us cry that we lack this, this, the fifth and the tenth. They scold power.
            What prevents us from living? Let us bite our teeth the same way as our relatives, we will gather our will into a fist and prove to everyone and everything that the RUSSIAN SPIRIT DOES NOT BREAK!
            It’s hard for me to understand what has changed.
            In those difficult conditions, our ancestors practically on their knees and out of nothing created a blessing, launched satellites, developed medicine, energy and other areas of progress. Often they were ahead of the rest. And now? WHY WE CAN'T NOW?

            Why are we groaning that we are not living well? Yes, if you compare how our grandfathers lived, yes we are in chocolate !!! THAN WE ARE WORSE BETTER? Let's live, LET'S WANT TO LIVE !!!

            Let's understand that there are many of us. That there are over 85% of Russians in Russia. Therefore, the definition of "Russia is a multinational country" is incorrect. Even by the standards of the notorious European Union, which is so fashionable to refer to, the country is called MONO-ethnic if 60% of people are of the same nationality. And someone wants it or not, but
            we are Russians, most.

            Yes - in the process of centuries-old history, the Russian people colonized many lands that are now part of our state. But we have never oppressed either the faith or the customs of the conquered tribes. Today, any manifestation of the national self-consciousness of the Russian people is called by some official authorities only the word "fascism" or "xenophobia". And this is where? Here in Russia. Is that so? And let's think about it, who invented this term, who divided people into races and preached the superiority of one race over another? It turns out that the civilized Germans in Germany did this. And they burned the Slavs as "inferior material".
            Throughout the entire territory of modern Russia, Russian people spread not only their language, but also their culture. Formerly wild peoples have received from us both their writing and alphabet. And in matters of faith, Orthodox Christians have always been tolerant of Muslims and other beliefs. Russian people did not burn mosques, our pilots even refused to hit the minoret, even knowing that a sniper was in it.

            Do the Russian people want their superiority over other nations? We just want our rights not to be violated by the millions of migrants who are illegally in Russia, so that they do not lower the price of our labor, so that they do not commit crimes, that they do not bring drugs to us, so that they do not impose on us alien culture and customs. When they say Russia is a "family of peoples", what does it mean? The family speaks the same language and lives according to the same customs. Therefore, those people of different nationalities who speak the same language with us, think like us, and belong to Russian culture will always be in the same family with us.

            Let's remember that we are RUSSIAN !!! WE ARE ONE PEOPLE !!! LET TOGETHER WE BE WELCOME OF OUR ANCESTORS AND WE WILL PROVE THAT THEREFORE WERE WELCOME IN THE MEMORY OF YOUR PARENTS !!! LET'S FINISH TO MOUNT THAT WE ARE ABOUT US, THAT WE HAVE BAD POWER, AND LIFE THE COUNTRY TOGETHER TOGETHER !!! LET'S EXPORT THE RUSSIAN SPIRIT AND THE IMAGE OF OUR STRONG AND ONE NATION !!!

            RUSSIAN HELP TO RUSSIAN !!!
            1. Mesniy
              Mesniy April 23 2012 23: 31
              -6
              Good koment - respect and respect, that's just about the minaret smiled - where did you get that?
              I personally did not know any who refused to shmalnut by the minaret .... laughing
          2. apro
            apro April 23 2012 13: 28
            +6
            esaul the only true statement on this page is the creation of equal opportunities and equal responsibility for each member of our society for each ethnic group headed by the LAW.
            1. esaul
              esaul April 23 2012 16: 26
              0
              apro,
              Greetings, Oleg and thank you for the similarity of views on this topic. drinks
    3. Ross
      Ross April 23 2012 10: 28
      +5
      The lack of a true history of the Russian people, the lack of veneration of their ancestors - the roots of the ethnic group are lost! Is the history of Russia limited to the history of religion-Christianity? And many thousands of years before that?
      The author is a big plus for numerous articles that help us return our roots, our connection with great-grandfathers.
      While visiting China, I always noticed that their masters always say that the same Feng Shui will never be complete without the correctly arranged graves of their ancestors. Respect for ancestors is a connection with their strength.
      Our endless separation, discord prevents us from gaining the strength of our ethnic group.
    4. ZAVET
      ZAVET April 23 2012 11: 35
      +3
      STARTING WITH THE THEORY OF CREATION OF THE STATE. Any people strive to unite.
      This is enshrined in the genetics of all species. Each biological species has its own natural hierarchy. Strong nations create their own states. Protect your territory. Russia was created as a state of RUSOV (without artificial division into Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians). Read RUSSIAN TALES - any foreigner is an enemy. Pushkin:
      Amuse right hand
      Hurry up in the field
      Ile head off the broad shoulders of the Tatar cut off
      Or etch from the forest Pyatigorsk Circassian ...
      The school curriculum, however.
      All peoples have their INTEREST (hostile to each other, since each people wants to multiply as much as possible, to capture a large territory, better to live, etc.).
      At the level of the Constitution, it is necessary to consolidate that Russia is the state of Rusov. INTERES OF RUSES ARE STATE INTEREST.
      This is necessary, since every nation has excellent genetics - a program of behavior. Priorities must be clearly defined.
    5. Alexei
      Alexei April 23 2012 17: 07
      +4
      I agree with you. My situation is not in the best way: on the maternal side - gypsies, on the father's side - Circassians. For me, of course, only the experienced eye is noticeable my not very Russian appearance. The question of nationality is nothing at all. The only annoying thing is that the migrants will live here, then leave again. You just need to confront the fact by restricting a long stay on our territory without citizenship. And if you got it, then be kind enough to fulfill all the duties of a citizen, and no dual citizenship for you. Is the Russian population degenerating? Yes, you panic, it’ll grind through all sorts of nationalities (as happened more than once in history), grind, taking the best qualities of the gene pool. That is why the Russian people are not so ordinary and versatile. But to highlight patrician and plebeian stupidity, Rome still fell.
    6. estonian
      estonian April 23 2012 18: 26
      0
      domokl,
      I will add even that in Europe, even in every airport there are special places for Muslims to pray even according to the laws during working hours, they allot time for prayers and fasting and do not whine there. Yes, and in the cities there are so many nationalities whom you just can’t see and live together and give birth to children and some problems. Beside the fact that visitors behave there somehow impudently, you know, some kind of law will not help .. there are many people in the Caucasus who live normally and have a lot of acquaintances who have the best friends of different nationalities and give birth to children too. There were some fools but they were put in their place .. It's not about the nationalities, but about the people themselves. Forget it less ... I personally against because there are people from the Caucasus, people with b lshoy bykvy that and I respect more than many fellow ...
    7. Vishnevsky
      Vishnevsky April 24 2012 00: 45
      +5
      This is actually a key issue.

      After all that was going on after the collapse of the USSR and all that followed, all the republics of the former USSR showed themselves excellently, their attitude to Russians and not only to Russians, but to all those who at least somehow sympathized with Russia.

      But no people can exist in a depressed state for a long time, after a recession there is always a rise. We were not finished off for many reasons.
      And the stake of those who destroyed the USSR, and Western well-wishers and domestic groups that deliberately ruined the USSR, and their heirs (for example, the Chubais team), was that when awakening there could be 2 vectors:
      - nationalism
      - Empire
      But as I said above, after everything that happened to the Russian people, there is a powerful upheaval towards nationalism. And this is not surprising. This was the stake.

      Another thing is that, for objective reasons, this issue would still have to be resolved.

      Here's the thing. While there was the USSR and real socialism, these national partitions basically did not bother anyone. Since there was real equality. Why are, for example, in the West, especially in the USA, so preoccupied with racism, women's rights, animal rights, sexual minorities?
      Because there is no real equality there. Therefore, racism arises there.
      The peak of capitalism is Auschwitz.
      Therefore, they need crutches, simulacra to distract the population to constantly uphold all sorts of rights of anyone, even snails.
      This false goal distracts from the struggle for real equality - social.
      So that suddenly people do not begin to demand socialism, such a thing was thought up.

      But before the advent of capitalism, it was more or less normal with the national question, at least compared to today.
      But capitalism has come to us. Equality collapsed.
      And then, according to Lenin, the bourgeoisie of all stripes began to construct a national question.

      The national mosaic designed by the Bolsheviks cannot exist under capitalism.
      Since socialism is exactly the same as it was under the USSR, we are unlikely to succeed in the next 100, I see 2 ways:

      1) This is Russian nationalism
      Indeed, everyone has their own national bourgeois apartment with the capital and other attributes of national life, even television and radio.
      The Russians do not even have the capital, Moscow and St. Petersburg - cosmopolitan cities and the authorities in every possible way rests on this.

      2) This is Russian imperialism (in the sense of normal, not colonial):
      This is the Byzantine Empire.
      But I'm sorry, then you need to abolish all national apartments and transform everything in the province. For everyone to be equal.
      Otherwise, it’s not equality now, the Russians do not have a national apartment, but in most of the apartments of others they are really oppressed (or there are already prerequisites, or something else).

      What do you think are capable of national minorities just transforming their bourgeois apartments into the province's bricks of the empire?

      I don’t know, but as long as they exist, the slant towards nationalism will only intensify, not only with the support of the West, but also for objective reasons.

      And all this romantic and poetic about the Russian hyper-ethnos and so on - you will not go far on this. Well, 5 years, well, a maximum of 10.
      This is a serious question and it must be resolved thoroughly.

      By the way, I am from Perm, we have all the Russians here, except for the Autonomous Okrug of the Komi-Permyaks in our region.

      The sooner this issue is resolved, the better, tired of already existing in limbo.
    8. lcalex
      lcalex April 24 2012 13: 28
      +2
      Which Asian? The fact that you were born in Siberia does not make you an Asian. In Siberia live the descendants of Yermak, the exiles and, of course, the indigenous peoples (for example, the Buryats)! The article clearly states that indigenous peoples have the same rights as Russians and that they must also be supported. What is the minus of the article? The right things are voiced in it!
  2. Nester
    Nester April 23 2012 07: 47
    +19
    For me, so Russian is a state of mind.
    1. Fullback
      Fullback April 23 2012 08: 05
      +5
      I agree with you on all 100.
    2. older
      older April 23 2012 08: 10
      +6
      Beautiful and correct words ... In battle, we are all Russian soldiers, regardless of the face and language ...
      1. ZAVET
        ZAVET April 23 2012 12: 08
        +3
        But NO. Read the "History of the COLLABORATION movement" during the Second World War.
        Where are statistical data on the majority of the peoples of the USSR given - who went over to the side of the Germans with weapons in their hands in the first battle, who immediately surrendered, etc. All ethnic parts of the Wehrmacht are also listed, from representatives of the "small" peoples of the USSR. Each nation has its own interest. And oh, they fight in different ways. And on different sides.
    3. 755962
      755962 April 23 2012 08: 15
      +6
      RUSSIAN is fate. With my happy and not so good sides. How many trials have befallen the Russians I can’t list.
    4. ZAVET
      ZAVET April 23 2012 12: 18
      -11
      Russian is a state of genetics (including lacking Asian and Negroid impurities). Asian (for example, Tatar) or Negroid (for example, Caucasian) Russian well, how can not be)).
      1. AER_69
        AER_69 April 23 2012 13: 17
        -16
        Negroid?
        Then pigs (for example, Russians) can’t be human beings)))
  3. Tiberium
    Tiberium April 23 2012 08: 01
    +8
    It will be very difficult to revive the Russian spirit. Too rotted him.
    1. Armata
      Armata April 23 2012 08: 41
      +6
      I do not agree. It’s impossible to hobble the Russian spirit. You can only talk about it, then everyone will get that impression. I propose a purely hypothetical situation that Russia is threatened from the side. What will be the reaction of the bulk of the people? Vryat whether we bend under someone. And the peoples who live throughout the whole country will be together (not counting those porosites who ran away to the bazaars to trade here and bought their passports in one fell swoop, it's not Russian)
      1. Karabin
        Karabin April 23 2012 10: 21
        +4
        Quote: Steam Train
        I propose a purely hypothetical situation that Russia is threatened from the side. What will be the reaction of the bulk of the people?

        The reaction will be known, who checked. Little did not seem. But if Russia is threatened from within ?. In this situation, we have found ourselves more than once throughout our history and have been raking in to the fullest. An article is worth considering.
    2. older
      older April 23 2012 09: 01
      +5
      An interesting point of view .. Do you consider yourself not Russian? Or are you ashamed to be Russian? I am not ashamed and my spirit is checked under real bullets ... Yes, we are a kind of people, we are different, but we are Russian ... We don’t have to bury us. ..We will bury whom we want ourselves ...
    3. AER_69
      AER_69 April 23 2012 13: 18
      -5
      Mdaaa ...
      And the spirit of the Circassians is also not the same (((
  4. Ascetic
    Ascetic April 23 2012 08: 07
    +31
    Russians are more than a nationality or a people. This is a peculiar way of life, thinking, behavior. Nobody thinks the way the Russians do. Russian psychology is generally a very long topic. And the mysterious Russian soul? This is generally a phenomenon about which no one knows anything. Just ask any Russian what the Russian soul is. He will not answer, because no one knows. But it is there. Our way of life. You can shoot a film epic about each person. And each will be terribly popular. After all, from so many problems and "adventures" any foreigner would die at least. And the Russian is alive and still tells like an anecdote. Despite the fact that we have been dissatisfied with the authorities for so many years, we tolerate it, because we are used to stability. Or maybe there is simply no leader who is able to lead the people, everything has been brought out. Russians are always dissatisfied with something, but at the same time they live well. I would even say good. Take the life of an ordinary American, whose goal is usually the accumulation of wealth. And take a simple Russian person who doesn't even know what his goal is in life. If you "get it" he will do everything to put his life in order, if he wants something he will definitely achieve it, and he will not need the support of society. Russians are a close-knit people and at the same time they are a bright individual.
    The Russian people can be united only in an era of nation-wide trials and a common misfortune, and regardless of their nationality, all people who speak and think Russian and consider the concept of Russia to be Russian are not Russian, although they can be positioned by anyone like a Tatar, a Cossack, Ukrainian, Siberian, and so on ..
    1. DimychAs
      DimychAs April 23 2012 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      Russians are more than nationality or people

      Stanislav, you plus drinks
    2. runway
      runway April 23 2012 09: 00
      +8
      Ascetic.
      "The Russian people can be united only in an era of nationwide trials and common misfortune ...."
      Well, why put us down like that? Russian people can and want to enjoy life, like any other people. Let's remember the flight of Yuri Gagarin and the jubilation of the people over its successful completion. And there are many similar examples. So the common joy unites the people.
      And what you said is what our current leaders lead us to.
    3. skullcap
      skullcap April 23 2012 12: 24
      +9
      Ascetic Today, 08: 07
      Russians are more than a nationality or a nation.
      ----------------------------------------
      I absolutely agree: Russians are a unique civilization in earthly history.
      Just as children in kindergarten classify various objects by size, shape, color, etc., it is also possible to classify Earth civilizations.
      And here I would like to draw attention to one distinguishing feature of Russian civilization from others. She never developed on the labor of slaves. The entire history of not only the Russian state, but also of Russian proto-state societies, for thousands of years from all sides (except the North - the Arctic Ocean) greedy invaders invariably invaded Russia with the goal of not only robbing, but also leading away, all who can be full, so that then sell them into slavery.
      In the south for centuries this industry existed a predatory state formation - the Crimean Khanate. But it would not have existed for a long time if slaves had not bought the Brilliant Port from him and no less Progressive Europe.
      Until then, over the centuries from the West, campaigns for slaves in the Slavic and Russian lands were organized by the Vatican “sublime to God”. Therefore, in English, the slave is still called - slave.
      From the East, over the centuries, countless hordes of nomads and not only came to Russia for slaves. What is the Khazar Khaganate alone? And Ivan the Terrible took the Kazan Khanate from nothing to do. During the capture of Kazan were released from slavery 100 thousands of Russian people.
      At the same time, the Russians themselves never went hiking with their neighbors in order to capture slaves. Whatever peoples the Russian people may face, even having crushed them, he did not turn the vanquished into slaves, and on equal (often on more favorable) conditions he included them in his state. How unlike the attitude of the same Anglo-Saxons to other peoples. Not only to the Indians, but also to the Europeans, the same Irish (for example, "Odyssey of Captain Blood").
      That is, the mentality of a Russian person is fundamentally different from the mentality of almost all other peoples. He considers a person of a different nationality or religion to be the same person as himself, with whom we must live together in God's Light.
      Representatives of the surrounding nations (more precisely, their ruling and educated layers) are capable of thinking not even in a flat dimension, but only in a linear dimension: according to a single criterion, “master-slave”. I am stronger - I am lord, and you must obey in order to survive. You are stronger - on the contrary: you are a master, and I am a slave, and you must treat me like a slave. Otherwise, I wondered why the generally accepted law does not work.
      In all civilizations, it works. In the same Europe. Napoleon conquered it and all Europeans obediently laid down under it. Everything is clear - what to do in this situation.
      Or a more specific example. The Germans captured Estonia, turned the local population into their slaves, put gallows on the estates for some dull - and peace and grace for almost half a century.
      But the Russians came and broke the gallows. Although basically - the order, along with the Ostsee barons, remained the same. And this was still clear to the natives. But when they began to rebuild farms and universities for free under the Soviet regime, they could not digest their heads. (If we are not held for slaves, although stronger than us, it means that the Russians have something wrong with their heads. They are not strong in the head, and therefore it is their fate to be slaves, and the fact that they created the greatest state in the world is a mistake providence.)
      Other peoples think in the same pattern. The Germans often consider it a pure coincidence that the Russians twice took the capital of the most advanced people in military art - Berlin.
      People thinking according to this scheme simply cannot understand (they have not developed before, or, on the contrary, have degraded) that according to the commandment “man to man — friend, comrade and brother” you can act in real life. By their mentality in real life, only full i-diots can act this way.
      Therefore, I think that if civilizations are divided in relation to the institution of slavery (or rather, in relation to man), then in principle there are only two civilizations in the world: Russian (free people living in mutual respect and mutual consideration of needs) and non-Russian (all other civilizations: slave-slave).
      1. ZAVET
        ZAVET April 23 2012 12: 47
        +4
        I will add from myself.
        Some RUSSIAN IDEAS:
        The idea of ​​TELEVISION (Zvorykin), the idea of ​​RADIO (Popov), the idea of ​​a COMPUTER-COMPUTER (Lebedev), the idea of ​​COSMONAUTICS-ROCKET CONSTRUCTION (Korolev), the idea of ​​SCIENTIFIC CHEMISTRY (Mendeleev), the idea of ​​SCIENTIFIC PSYCHOLOGY (Pavlov, VISUCHENOUS) ELECTRIC MOTOR, LIGHT BULBS finally, etc.
        It is these ideas that determine the face of mankind (and not all filisofsky pseudo-crazy constructions).
        The rejection of the Russian ideas of any nation will return the latter to the Stone Age.
      2. skullcap
        skullcap April 23 2012 12: 48
        +9
        PS And, building their civilization, the Russians should learn from the experience of other civilizations, including those already gone, so as not to repeat their fate.
        Meanwhile, historians of ancient civilizations revealed the scheme of degeneration and death of the centers of civilization:
        Representatives of other tribes and clans gradually penetrate into a civilized and rich city-principality with a more or less homogeneous composition: like slaves, workers used in hard work, servants, warriors, bodyguards, porters, then small and medium traders, criminal and semi-criminal elements, ,, Under the walls of the city are nomadic camps of wild tribes, one way or another penetrating inside ...
        Over time, slaves who have gained freedom, workers, merchants settle in cities with large families, multiply, soldiers reach certain posts in the army or guard, etc. - the percentage of “outsiders” is growing, there comes a period when it reaches a “critical mass” - and power passes into the hands of an alien element that brings its own language, traditions (“nepotism”, “nepotism”, the system of “bakshi-bribes”, "Fraternity", "clan-mafia", the spread of moral standards, "commandments" only to relatives and the perception of the main indigenous people:
        a) "cash cow",
        b) a hostile tribe, etc.)
        at the same time, having retained part of the cultural achievements of the civilization absorbed by him, forcing the remaining intellectual, priestly and administrative circles of the primary ethnos to fulfill the new “social order” and serve the new government, which leads to the revision (revision) of political, ethnic history, mythology, etc. in favor of the new "ethnos" and its rulers. The history of this "ethnos" is getting old at the expense of the history of the peraoethnos, part of the gods of the old mythology are given new names ...
        The changes are not of a cardinal nature, for the reason that the cultural level of the new “ethnos” is, as a rule, primitive, it has almost nothing of its own to offer in return. Almost everything “new” for the new ethnos is being developed by intellectuals (priests-magi, chroniclers, astronomers, scientists, writers and poets ...) of the primary ethnos, before whom the choice is presented: either to “integrate” into a new society or death.
        The result is a "new culture" in the old place. And the original priority mythology, writing, science, culture is applied a lot of artificial, compilation and "cultural" layers (for example: the original myths of Schumer from the Flood to Shalmanasharr and the compilation "old testament" of Jews from the same flood to Solomon the king). It creates the appearance of a “new civilization”. Over time, the wanderers destroy the inheritance they inherited. –The civilization is fading away.

        If we apply this to the present (and we observe similar processes with the naked eye), then I have by no means groundless fears that, while maintaining the modern status of the Russian people in our state, it is implementing a policy to weaken it within the state and to destroy it further.
        I would not want the Russian people to serve as fertilizer for some other civilizations. Given globalization, this will definitely be another area of ​​slave-owning Anglo-Semitic civilization.
        Therefore, a smart law to support the Russian people in the Russian state is simply necessary, including in the interests of the other peoples of Russia. For with the disappearance of the Russians, the disappearance of all the rest will be guaranteed. Since, according to the laws of Western civilization, in our cold expanses, only the presence of a few shift shifts for pumping energy resources for the "golden billion" is economically justified.
    4. ZAVET
      ZAVET April 23 2012 12: 25
      -6
      Indeed, the main achievement of the RUSSIAN WORLD is the imposition of the RUSSIAN LIFESTYLE AND THOUGHT on other peoples. Without us, they would have been completely different.
    5. Marat
      Marat April 23 2012 18: 08
      +4
      Very good post - I fully support Ascetic!
    6. mechanic33
      mechanic33 April 23 2012 21: 26
      +8
      Quote: Ascetic
      And take a simple Russian person who doesn't even know what his goal is in life. If you "get it" he will do everything to put his life in order, if he wants something he will definitely achieve it, and he will not need the support of society.

      Quote: Ascetic
      for whom the concept of Russia is not an empty phrase. Although they can position themselves by anyone, a Tatar, a Cossack, a Ukrainian, a Siberian, and so on ..


      I agree to 1000%. and we’ll fight and make peace, BUT all our differences will remain our DOMESTIC affair. Brother may be wrong, but he is OUR brother
  5. wk
    wk April 23 2012 08: 07
    +14
    Status is necessary .... but the main thing is to correctly and correctly formulate it in relation to other nations .... this is a work for legal lawyers and philologists.
    1. Rexei
      Rexei April 23 2012 09: 10
      +5
      In addition to the status, it is necessary to reduce the number of migrants - at least illegal ones, sometimes it seems to me that there are more illegal ones than legal ones ... How could one even imagine: Eid al-Adha is celebrated in the center of the Orthodox state (like that?), And even and with the public slaughter of animals ??? So they mock and laugh at poor animals like horses at this ... Let everyone have their own religion, but coming to another country and showing disrespect for its population is already something unimaginable ... More than 80-90% of our skinheads are ordinary "peasants" 14-18 years old (maybe a little older), who only do what they drink black, wear the devil, and yell "zig-hile" or "Hitler be famous ", in short, youngsters who just physically grew up a little. When they get drunk, they go to beat everyone in a row: it seems to me in such a state they beat Russians and foreigners indiscriminately.
      In a word: I respect all foreigners (except amers), but I really do not like the fact that they put big heaps on our traditions, our religion and try to impose their everything on us, or they just scoff ... : "to reduce" illegal immigrants - I mean that you need a migraine. give services to the teeth and make them work better
      1. Cripple cross
        Cripple cross April 23 2012 10: 13
        +11
        Rexei,
        I read all the comments slowly approaching yours. I absolutely agree with you with WK.
        The article does not propose to destroy and oppress other nations, but proposes to restore justice. All nations in Russia have self-determination spelled out on paper and legally enshrined, and the Russians alone do not give this self-determination and shout that Russian is only a state of mind. This is not only a state of mind THIS NATION!
        And do not shout here that self-determination is bad. We are all Russians, but all of different nationalities. We have a lot in common but cultures are different. Russians have never crushed anyone's culture. So dear fellow citizens do not need to try to crush Russian culture when the Russians do not crush yours. To speak Russian and live in Russia is not yet to be Russian. Just as I will never become a Chechen or Tatar if I transfer to live in these republics and speak the native language.
        I am Russian and not a blurry spot that many want to see.
  6. alatau_09
    alatau_09 April 23 2012 08: 31
    +1
    Adopting such a law means recognizing the weakness of the Russian spirit in its "home", this is a step towards collapse ...
    It is necessary to build a strong, just inside, economically prosperous Russia, then those who left will return, and the Slav brothers will be pulled up, and there will be no reason to talk about Russian chauvinism ...
    Russia has rich Eurasian experience in building and strengthening its statehood - use it! and do not repeat the experiments of Israel, Germany, etc., which are alien to culture and mentality. they are not a couple of Russia, both in internationality, in size, and in the trepidation of nature, etc. etc.
    Here I support the posts of Domocles and Nester, tronin.maxim ++
    1. ZAVET
      ZAVET April 23 2012 12: 58
      -6
      THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPINION OF RUS AND FOREIGNERS ON THE SITE IS OPPOSITE, AND - THIS IS NATURAL. RUSSIA - FOR THE RUSSIAN STATE. FOREIGNERS - FOR A MULTINATIONAL UNION.
      1. Goga
        Goga April 23 2012 14: 13
        0
        ZAVET - Colleague, history must not be taught using Soros textbooks. The development and collapse of all any significant empires is directly related to this issue. The Golden Horde was a powerful state, as long as it had religious tolerance and multinationality - as soon as Islam was accepted as the state religion and did not tolerate any other religions, the horde came to an end. Byzantium, an empire that has stood for more than 1000 years, complete internationalism - both emperors were Armenians and Slavs (of course there are more Greeks) - but as soon as Greek exclusivity was declared at the state level, this is the end of the empire. Russian imperial people, and what you are calling for is the end of the empire.
        The fact that the newcomers in your cities are demonstratively impudent only says that Russians are like a bullet to the government - you are complaining to the government - protect, accept the law - but if there is no spirit, the backside stuck to the chair, it’s scary to go out into the street, then no recognition ” state-forming "will not protect you. No need to chew snot, then they will respect.
        I live in Ulan-Ude, we have large diasporas of Armenians and Azerbaijanis, but none of them allow themselves any offensive actions towards the locals. And the locals - Russians and Buryats - celebrate all the holidays together - that is their Buddhist "new year", that our Easter. Who do you want to separate from whom? How will you define "Russians" and "foreigners"? DNA analysis? So I want to upset you, your "tough Rus" may well have more Finno-Ugric genes than Slavic ones, and then what are you "alien"?
        Article "-" - another cry - "we are dying out" - well, you don’t need to waste time on empty articles - go take care of your wife, look and stop dying.
        1. ZAVET
          ZAVET April 23 2012 14: 28
          -4
          I repeat again
          Some RUSSIAN IDEAS:
          The idea of ​​TELEVISION (Zvorykin), the idea of ​​RADIO (Popov), the idea of ​​a COMPUTER-COMPUTER (Lebedev), the idea of ​​COSMONAUTICS-ROCKET CONSTRUCTION (Korolev), the idea of ​​SCIENTIFIC CHEMISTRY (Mendeleev), the idea of ​​SCIENTIFIC PSYCHOLOGY (Pavlov, VISUCHENOUS) ELECTRIC MOTOR, LIGHT BULBS finally, etc.
          It is these ideas that determine the face of mankind (and not all filisofsky pseudo-crazy constructions).
          The rejection of the Russian ideas of any nation will return the latter to the Stone Age.
          WE ARE POWERFUL. THE WHOLE WORLD is under our ideas. This is management. THIS IS REALITY. As for the story invented by FOREIGNERS. THIS IS YOUR STORY AND NOT OUR. THE RUSSIANS HAVE THE BIGGEST STATE, THE MOST PART OF NATURAL RESOURCES. OUR CHILDREN ARE MORE AND MORE. The sun is getting stronger. Who is stronger than the Russians?
          Sit on a donkey and weep a foreigner - the only way you will be free from slavery. In the meantime, you live in our RUSSIAN WORLD!
          You even speak Russian.
          1. Goga
            Goga April 23 2012 14: 35
            +2
            ZAVET - And I was sure that in Kyakhta we have the most robust "grass" growing, but no - apparently there are stronger ones ... wassat
            If a person who considers himself a Russian carries such "nonsense", really with the "Russians" not everything is in order fool
            1. ZAVET
              ZAVET April 23 2012 14: 44
              -5
              As I understand it, GOGA-NARCOMAN, has your vocabulary run out?))
              1. Goga
                Goga April 23 2012 14: 52
                +3
                ZAVET - My vocabulary is practically unlimited, I know one language, but it is Russian, and since I am a builder, can you imagine how much and how I can express myself? wassat
                -quote- "WE RUSSIANS ARE POWERFUL. THE WHOLE WORLD is under our ideas. This is management. THIS IS REALITY" - and after this nonsense, which of us is an addict?
                They have already written about "power" here - they are afraid to put things in order on the streets of their cities, but "the whole world" is there too ... it's not even funny.
                1. ZAVET
                  ZAVET April 23 2012 15: 40
                  -6
                  Gog, you deny the existence of Radio, Television, Mendeleev chemistry, Cosmonautics, Computer, etc. or what are the ideas of the Russian genius?
                  About "they are afraid to put things in order on the streets of their cities" - YOU ARE A FOREIGNER and SEE WHAT is beneficial to you. I think this is complete nonsense. What did you not comment on:
                  "THE RUSSIANS HAVE THE LARGEST STATE, THE BIGGEST PART OF NATURAL RESOURCES. OUR CHILDREN ARE MORE AND MORE. The Sun is getting stronger. WHO IS STRONGER than the RUSSIANS?"
                  However, the dispute between the representatives of two peoples and races is very conditional.
                  By the way, who are you? What kind of blood? Caucasian? Why don’t you know your language?
                  1. alatau_09
                    alatau_09 April 23 2012 16: 07
                    +5
                    ZAVET, I repeat ..., INHERITING THE GREATNESS OF THE PEOPLE does not depend on us, but to PRESERVE ITS GREATNESS, you need to have not the ambition and self-righteousness of the inheritance, but KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, MIND and VARIANCE ... otherwise there will be nothing to pass on to descendants ... And this concerns all "big" and "small" nations ...
                    There are no great countries, there are great peoples ... We are all from the same "pot" - Kievan Rus, Polovtsian-Kipchak steppe, Bulgaria, Northern Russia, Golden Horde, Muscovy, Russian Empire, USSR and WWII ... History should unite us. ..
                    the rest is from the evil one, politicians, small nations ...
                    who will say that we had no common history ???

                    Kazakh proverb: "A friend cuts with truth, an enemy with flattery" ...
                    1. Goga
                      Goga April 23 2012 16: 23
                      +3
                      alatau_09 - A colleague, this person does not understand that historically the strength of the Russian people lies precisely in the ability to perceive the peoples living nearby not as enemies, but to absorb and process the whole variety of cultures of vast Eurasia, which was the foundation of the Russian Empire. Russian tsars were proud that in some tribe they were relatives of the Golden Horde khans. Russian princes, relatives of the tsars - Yusupovs, Beklemishevs, Tenishevs - Tatars and at the same time really Russian princes.
                      It is difficult to explain something to a person who has read one brochure in his life and considers it to be the ultimate truth. The level is not the same.
                      1. alatau_09
                        alatau_09 April 23 2012 16: 34
                        +2
                        Dear Goga, almost a fellow countryman, can explain with the example of reinforced concrete? wink
                        if that doesn’t help, then ...
                      2. Goga
                        Goga April 23 2012 17: 15
                        +2
                        alatau_09 - the lack of education on the site cannot be reimbursed, it only depends on him - if a guy who thinks, no matter how he is brought in now, reads, thinks that he will accept something, that he will not, but in any case this "hurray-Nazism" will pass ... And if he doesn't want to think, "then ..."
                  2. Goga
                    Goga April 23 2012 16: 11
                    +2
                    ZAVET - I know my own language and it is Russian, I was born, lived all my life and God willing, I will die in Russia. And as for the "blood" I already wrote, I repeat - neither I nor you know what kind of "blood" flows in us. A man of the nation that he considers himself to be.
                    And about order in Russian cities - read above - groans - "newcomers do not respect our customs" - so make them respect, and do not complain to the government. The ascetic wrote correctly here - in most Siberian cities there is no such problem, in Siberia the Russians have the courage to force them to respect themselves and their order, therefore, as in our city, Caucasians behave with dignity and no one bothers them in business. And to ask the government for some special statute - isn't that humiliating for a great people?
                    1. ZAVET
                      ZAVET April 23 2012 16: 30
                      -8
                      I know my ancestors confidently before my great-great-grandfathers (they are all from neighboring villages). And I have no questions: who am I?
                      As I wrote a lot earlier: knowledge of the world is possible only after self-identification by gender and nationality. This is the fulcrum that defines PERSONAL INTEREST.
                      Deviations: homosexuality and tolerance.
                      Studies of genetics over the past 20 years, moreover, by international groups of scientists, have clearly revealed the DNA of RUSOV. What is full of publications on the internet. RUSSIA NEVER mixed with Asians and Negroids.
                      RUSSIANS have SHORT DNA.
                      As for "asking the government for some special statute" - do not ask AND DEMAND IS NECESSARY !!! YOURS !!!
                      By the way, what do you mean by the Russian concept of GOD? Is it not the seven-negroid Kyrios-Eloh-Yahweh-Adonea-Elohim-Allah, etc., etc.? I am about the ABRAMIC cult - Judaism, Judaism, Islam.

                      1. Goga
                        Goga April 23 2012 16: 49
                        +1
                        ZAVET - quote - "RUSSIANS NEVER mixed with Asians" - your complete ignorance of your own history amazes. Have you ever heard of such tribes as Torquay, Black Hoods? These are the Turkic tribes (Asians) and at an early stage of the development of the Kiev state were assimilated and dissolved into the Russian people. Many Russian princes (in the pre-Mongol period) were married to the daughters of the Polovtsian khans. Khan Kotyan, fleeing from the Mongols, came to ask for help to his son-in-law - the Grand Duke of Kiev, examples can be given endlessly. As for genetic studies, the results of such works have recently been published and, to the surprise of the researchers, it turned out that in the blood of Russians, up to 30% genes of Ugric-Finns (Meria, Cheremis, etc.) and only in second place are the "admixture" of Mongols and Turks, although it was previously believed that for three hundred years these peoples have left the most significant mark in the genetics of Russians.
                        So you still try to get information from more reputable sources, LN Gumilyova, for starters, read something, or you somehow get frivolous.
                      2. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 23 2012 17: 01
                        -9
                        Refer to the source (about black hoods and Khan-Katyan) on which birch bark is it written? Or the wizards of the next foreign historian of the 19-20 centuries.
                        Impurities of Asian blood in Russia were not found at all.
                        As for the Ugro-Finns,% is there, and so what?
                        There is a% and Scandinavian blood. What's next?
                        I see you do not answer my questions?
                        Hand over positions ..
                        And about three hundred years in more detail (or refer to the textbook)?
                        Or will you drag the golden horde?
                      3. Goga
                        Goga April 23 2012 17: 26
                        +1
                        ZAVET - A dog with her with a story, unlike you, I use different, often opposite sources, to think, compare and draw conclusions with my own head.
                        Take today's time - I lived in the Urals for many years - do you know what percentage of "mixed" marriages between Russians and Bashkirs? And the Russians with the Tobolsk Tatars? And this is not one generation. Here I do not need any "historians", everything is in front of my eyes. Now I live in Buryatia, a lot of mixed marriages and not the first generation, I have a grandson of 25% of Buryats, and you "never mixed" - what do you propose to do with this? Or, like Rosenberg, would you define them as "incomplete"? What corner do you live in if you don't see this process?
                      4. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 23 2012 17: 41
                        -9
                        I in no case do not say that any nationality is better or worse.
                        But MIXING RASs leads to genetic deformities and psychological problems. This is openly talked about by genetic scientists and psychiatrists. The same Kurpatov A .. Will you deny this?
                        Again RUSSIAN LAND intentionally populated by foreigners.
                        Example. I from the Volga region 80 years ago, we did not have a single Kazakh now - full.
                        Moreover, hundreds of thousands of Russian people were driven away from the primordially RUSSIAN lands that were transferred to Kazakhstan.
                        And your grandson is unlikely to be on the side of the Russians when solving such issues.
                        He will defend his Asian interest.
                      5. Goga
                        Goga April 23 2012 18: 12
                        +3
                        ZAVET - there is a process of ousting Russians, there are two factors: short-term - this is the effect of 1991 - "squeezing out" of the Russians and the former Soviet republics and the second long-term - the Russians have suffered colossal human losses in the civilian and in the Second World War over a hundred years, and, as always, young and healthy men. This is a severe blow to the "gene pool". I would not say that the displacement of Russians on Russian lands by someone is organized - in Buryatia, the birth rate among the Buryats is noticeably higher than among the Russians, and no one organizes this. Nobody bothers to create a normal family, give birth to children, and then no one will come to your place. But if instead of this to live "for your own pleasure" - children get in the way - and so there are less worries, then of course, instead of unborn Russian children, it will be good if the Buryats are their own people, or even the Chinese can survive. And here Moscow is not an assistant; we have to work with our children ourselves.
                        And everything is in order with the grandson, God forbid that he is on the right side - he was brought up correctly, there is time and I will teach him a lot of things that I myself know. There are both sons - grown-up men, standing on their feet exactly, they know their task - recently one granddaughter gave out "to the mountain", now it's turn after another. So everything is in our will, if the people do not have the will to live, no laws will inculcate it.

                        ZAVET - in addition - about mixing races - everything is exactly the opposite - marriages in a closed group of people (even a whole nation) ultimately lead to degeneration (genetic marriage) and it is the admixture of a "fresh" portion of genetic material that allows, if not to stop, then noticeably postpone the inevitable process of people's degeneration. An example of marriages in a closed people is in full view, this "God-chosen" people because of this mental illness is 6 times more than the average of others. I hope you don't want the same future for the Russian people.
                      6. alatau_09
                        alatau_09 April 23 2012 18: 22
                        +5
                        One of the study participants and the author of an article on the origin of the Russian gene pool, an employee of the laboratory of human population genetics at the Medical and Genetic Research Center of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Oleg BALANOVSKIY told KP about the genes and roots of the Russian and some other peoples inhabiting Russia.

                        - There are no Slavic genes, there are no Tatar genes - genes older than the Slavs and Tatars ... That haplogroup, which is typical for the Slavs in Europe (although it is also found in other Europeans), is also very common in ... India. This haplogroup was born thousands of years ago and was very frequent among the Scythian ancestors. Some of these Praskifs who lived in Central Asia conquered India, setting up a caste system there (the conquerors themselves became the highest caste). Another part of the Praskifs lived in the Black Sea region (present-day Ukraine). These genes reached the Slavs. And the third part of the Praskifs lived in the east, in the foothills of Altai and the Tien Shan, and their genes are now found in every second Kyrgyz or Altai. So it turned out that this haplogroup is as Slavic as the Kyrgyz or Indian. All peoples are to some extent related to each other.

                        As for the Tatars, they have this haplogroup (of the ancient Scythians) is not half the gene pool, like the Russians, but about a quarter. But here they received it from the west (from the Slavs) or from the east (from the Altai), until we know. Over time, genetics will answer this question.
                        ...............................................................
                        - Has the gene pool of modern Finno-Ugric peoples living in Russia become rich?

                        - Let's look at it differently. Just a few centuries ago, Russians came to the “Finno-Ugric” and, mixed with most of the local tribes, formed a single Russian people. Any grandmother in the village will tell you that she is Russian. And the fact that one great-great-grandmother was a beautiful dark-haired and black-eyed from the Slavic tribe of Krivichi, and the other - a beautiful blonde and blue-eyed from the Murom tribe, is now not important. Genetics can sometimes establish such features, but only along two lines from the entire huge family tree (one purely maternal - mother of the mother, etc., another purely paternal - father of the father, etc.), and genes of both tribes along all other lines. mixed up long ago.
                        .................................................. ..............................

                        .....
                        But the influence of the Russian principalities did not reach some Finno-Ugric tribes, and these tribes did not become Russian. Yes, they became part of the Moscow kingdom, and after that of the Russian Empire, but retained their language and self-identity of the people. These are Mordovians, Mari, Udmurts, Karelians ... Of course, there are now more Russians in numerical terms - even in our Finno-Ugric republics, marriages with Russians are very frequent. If children from such marriages consider themselves, for example, Mari, this strengthens the Russian component in the Mari gene pool. But we know that the Russian component itself at one time included a powerful Finno-Ugric stratum. And such Russification is in many ways a return to the Finno-Ugric gene pool of the Finno-Ugric genes that had been Russians for some time. There are no “pure” peoples, just as there are no ethnic genes. And if children from such marriages consider themselves Russian - this is only a modern continuation of the entry of the Finno-Ugric stratum into the Russian gene pool, which began a thousand years ago.
                        .................................................. .......................
                        I believe that the gene pool should be maintained. He can preserve - within us - the memory of our history. Maintain a safety margin for the health of future generations. Do not let us forget that all people are brothers in the literal, genetic sense.

                        But in solving social or momentary political problems, the gene pool is useless. Not for that he exists.

                        http://www.oagb.ru/info.php?txt_id=17&nid=6960

                        Now about reinforced concrete, i.e. about reinforced concrete ...
                        I probably don’t need to explain what ZBET is ... It’s also possible to withstand the stresses of aggressive metal, gravel, sand, cement and water, to resist aggressive environments and conditions ...
                        The house in which you live, I hope, is solid and built to "conscience" ...?

                        And if you don’t have 2, x 2, then for sure ...

                        Volga, speak? m-yes-ah ... you are definitely not friends with history ...
                      7. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 23 2012 19: 30
                        -7
                        WOW, SHOULD OVERTAKE!))
                        1. Mixed marriages are needed for small degenerate peoples (the north) or peoples spread across the planet, living in small groups - Jews, for example.
                        This is an extreme measure. Used "on the edge of the abyss".
                        RUSOV more than 200 million (including fraternal countries) living compactly.
                        We do not need mixed marriages that destroy people and lead to a genetic catastrophe.
                        PROTECTION OF THE GENETIC CORE OF RUSSIA - KIND - SHOULD BE THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF THE RUSSIAN STATE. Protection of the MOTHERLAND (mother in childbirth) - the female genetic line of RUS and the FATHERLAND - male.
                        2. As for haplogroups, it is not said that the Tatars of the Kyrgyz are Chinese, etc. have an Asian haplogroup completely absent in RUS.
                        According to Petrov, this is a "default" lie. When the most important circumstance is hushed up.
                        The presence of RUSA genes in certain peoples - unequivocally confirms them (given peoples) DEPENDENT POSITION ON OUR ANCESTORS.
                        3. About the Volga Volga in general - I have two grandfathers 93 and 95 years old and both claim that Kazakhs began to appear in the Volga region somewhere in the 30s, before they were not even on the Volga. But here probably we are talking about another story that is beneficial to foreigners.
                      8. alatau_09
                        alatau_09 April 23 2012 22: 50
                        +3
                        ! - My advice to you is from the Soviet past, so as not to be misled as a bad schoolboy - study, study and study ...
                        2 - you asked for links, they are provided to you, especially from the first person - the participant in the study ... now this does not suit you either ... "distortion" ....
                        3 - grandfathers are good, but the history of the area is not only "grandfathers said", but also a more distant history and simply toponymy of the area, study them and you will open your eyes to many things, namely about the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates, not to mention more old ...

                        Good luck in replenishing knowledge about the homeland ...!
                      9. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 24 2012 00: 05
                        -6
                        Snot, about the research, everything suits me.
                        Only you or oligophren really do not understand that you did not finish the most important thing: that the Tatars of the Kyrgyz are Chinese, etc. have an Asian haplogroup completely absent from RUS, or a bastard who is silent about the truth.
                        As for the story - this was discussed in the relevant topics on the site.
                        Look through - Asians who do not have their own written language, technology, etc. simply could not create their serious statehood.
                        And your attempts to attract attention are annoying.
                      10. alatau_09
                        alatau_09 April 24 2012 00: 32
                        +4
                        ZAVET (1) Today, 00:05
                        The wisdom of all peoples says: WHEN THE OPPONENT IN THE DISPUTE DOES NOT ENOUGH ARGUMENTATION, HE GOES TO PERSONAL INSURANCES, which is what was required to be proved!
                        You are a VOID RING!
                        and also about the culture of communication - NOT FOR SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE CORRECTLY EDUCATED DO NOT APPLY - We didn’t share bread and did not eat salt - Russian folk saying ...
                        especially since you didn’t look at the metric ...
                        and now wipe the foam at your mouth, dirty your shirt ... and go to bed, "MORNING WISE EVENING", maybe you will see something sensible ... although ... hardly ...
                      11. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 24 2012 08: 17
                        -7
                        By the way, your avatar alatau_09 is very revealing.
                        BLOODY cloth with a sickle and a hammer. The main achievement of Bolshevism is the GENOCIDE of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
                        My father’s six siblings were starved by the Bolsheviks. Sisters of the maternal grandmother. I'm not talking about robbery - dispossession.
                        And this is the story of an ORDINARY RUSSIAN FAMILY.
                        WHERE do you have such hatred for everything Russian?
                      12. alatau_09
                        alatau_09 April 24 2012 10: 47
                        +4
                        ZAVET,
                        You remind me of a drunk not distant bazaar peasant who picks up everyone in a row, but how he gets an argument under his breath shouts - "The Russians are beaten !!!"
                        and so, you do not associate as a representative of the Great Russian people, you are simply, in Russian speaking, a morally and holy-blooded renegade - a provocateur or in modern slang - a troll ...
                        God be your judge and the Russian people that you dishonor with your not knowing the obvious things ...
                        Moral from a parable: God forgives an atheist who does not know his error, but punishes a believer knowingly doing evil ...
                      13. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 24 2012 19: 59
                        -1
                        The dissatisfaction of a foreigner marked with the symbol of the RUSSIAN GENOCIDE -
                        HIGHEST PRAISE.
                        Here the foreigners asked: WHAT DOES YOUR RUSSIANS LIVE?
                        I received several personal messages at once, informing me that there is a whole gang of PSEEDO PATRIOTS on the site that are clearly anti-Russian, by command of the minus objectionable.
                        ANSWER: THE RESULT of a vote of 1700 "FOR THE RUSSIAN STATE" against 170. However, READ messages - THE MINORITY IS EXTREMELY ACTIVE.
                        He prints posts in a manner clearly offensive to RUS.
                        They seized the mass media, leading posts in the state, entrenched in science, education.
                        Ridding of Russia FROM such a DIRT - THIS IS OUR task.
                      14. Marat
                        Marat April 24 2012 18: 08
                        +1
                        You are clearly mistaken in the Testament! I read Alatau constantly - and I see only sympathy for the Russians and the desire for unification

                        As for the Soviet symbolism - do not bother with it - I agree that the Reds had a bloody period before the war - and many of my relatives were shot by the commissars - but we must look to the future - and admit that after the war the USSR was the rise of our country and the Russian people too.

                        Nobody calls for the return of the USSR - you just need to take the best from there and create a new Union of Nations - which can resist the forces of evil and give its people a decent standard of living and peace
                      15. Rezun
                        Rezun April 24 2012 11: 43
                        0
                        MORNING MORNING
                  3. Goga
                    Goga April 23 2012 16: 34
                    +3
                    ZAVET - in addition - me, as you write "a foreigner" in 1993 in one Ural region on the regional television, liberals declared "the director of a Russian fascist organization" - this is with my non-Russian mug, well, they are liberals, what to expect from them.
                    1. ZAVET
                      ZAVET April 23 2012 16: 48
                      -13
                      Your position, Goga, is very consistent, clear and unequivocal.
                      It is determined by your genetics.
                      Whatever you consider yourself
                      You are not Russian.
                      1. Goga
                        Goga April 23 2012 17: 10
                        +4
                        ZAVET - Even if I’m even a Buryat (my many good friends are Buryats), my position is really unambiguous and, in short, I’m an "imperialist", unlike other Slavs, who have not created anything in the state plan, except for meaningless dwarf states, the Russian people having adopted imperial principles from the Mongols, it took shape as a great imperial people and only in this form can it remain truly Russian.
                        Why I argue with you - your position (purity of blood) leads to the collapse of the empire, to the creation of a number of dwarf "ethnically pure" states with which no one will reckon. Russia has already followed this path - the appanage principalities - the result is known. Likewise, "brothers Slavs", who in the world reckons with Slovenia, Macedonia, Slovakia, etc., etc.? And your position will inevitably lead to just such a turn of events. I disagree with that.
                      2. ZAVET
                        ZAVET April 23 2012 17: 23
                        -4
                        The state biologically provides for the existence of one leading nationality. It `s naturally. The Russian Empire:
                        - RUSSIAN scientist Bedouin de Courtenay, Jacobi, etc.
                        Russian army, Russian fleet. Although the percentage of Russians is much less than in Russia.
                        The empire did not fall apart under the yoke of the Bolsheviks in the 17th.
                        There was an idea of ​​Russianness.
                        Realizing this, Stalin began to emphasize the primacy of the Russians.
                        But the Union fell apart (due to division on the basis of nat).
                        How to collapse "multinational" Russia without a RUSSIAN IDEA.
                        Without its ROOT, RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
                      3. Goga
                        Goga April 23 2012 17: 39
                        +3
                        ZAVET - But with this I completely agree "+", the division according to the "nat" principle is a "mine" laid by Leiba Davidovich Bronstein under the Russian state. So his followers managed to "detonate" this bomb in 1991.
                        And Stalin, as a statesman and an "imperialist", clearly understood where the edge of "internationalism" was. And it is absolutely true about the RUSSIAN IDEA (esaul wrote above about the same). That's right, only you need to move away from the cave beliefs about the "purity of blood", you know who and with what success promoted this idea in the 20th century. Heredity, of course, has not been canceled, but degeneration at the genetic level is one thing - it is present in all peoples (albeit to varying degrees), and another thing is to try to divide the indivisible - how to divide peoples by blood for centuries living together and completely mixed up. By the way, your colleagues from small nations are in a general panic about this - they are afraid that in three or four generations they will not be there, there will be Russians. The same problems, but on the other hand.
              2. valeri51d
                valeri51d April 23 2012 20: 23
                -5
                ZAVET you understand everything correctly, Goga is still a werewolf provocateur.
                1. Goga
                  Goga April 23 2012 21: 05
                  +5
                  valeri51d - Oh look, the troll talked about provocations, well, I just pleased laughing - the ZAVET colleague is not hopeless, the person is sincerely mistaken, but he worries about his people, and extremism will eventually go away - and the feeling of belonging to a great nation will remain. And you are a troll on whose people are you trying? The fee for the "gray" shoulder straps in dollars or in shekels?
                  1. Marat
                    Marat April 24 2012 18: 02
                    +1
                    If there were more among you, Russian comrades such as Igor (Goga) and perhaps a great power, would have already been reborn! My sincere respect and support for Igor’s position! Sorry for the pathos of course - but the Russians will have to fulfill in any case a great - imperial role - to lead all the peoples of Eurasia - to unite them and create an alternative to world masons and China. To isolate oneself from the steppes of the Türks - to isolate oneself is criminal
                    And the "foreigners" - to whom I belong, too - must play their not the last role in this. And thank God, Russia and the Russian people are now moving in the right direction - otherwise we all face death!
  7. Dust
    Dust April 23 2012 08: 37
    +16
    Voted that no special status is needed!
    The road to nowhere is another matter that I would cancel all other statuses for Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts and others ...
    In a single country, everything should be one and the place of a person should be determined by his personal qualities, and not by the color of his hair and face of the face ...
    Cancel all benefits and delete the very concept of "titular nation", severely punish for clannishness ...
    I have already seen a lot - first tryndezh about the oppressed language, then about trampled national traditions, then more, until it almost comes to a complete collapse due to the fact that there is no one to work and there is no one to ask. ..
    There are no national entities, all these borders are conditional - for example, in Tatarstan villages are mixed up - Tatar. Russians, Chuvash, similarly in Bashkiria the Tatars are almost as many as the Bashkirs, and so everywhere! How not to infringe on someone? How not to make someone second-rate?
    But I won’t allow anyone to question my Russianness, I don’t need advantages, but I can’t infringe on them!
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man April 23 2012 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: Dust
      The road to nowhere is another matter that I would cancel all other statuses for Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts and others ...
      In a single country, everything should be one and a person’s place should be determined by his personal qualities, and not by the color of his hair and face

      Here I am for this, I agree 200% drinks
      1. valeri51d
        valeri51d April 23 2012 13: 40
        -2
        What kind of people and without protection. You stuck your nose here.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man April 23 2012 14: 19
          +1
          valeri51d,
          Oh, the troll appeared wassat
        2. Goga
          Goga April 23 2012 14: 42
          +4
          valeri51d - Is this sho another champion of purity of race? truth under an incomprehensible flag, or at the troll where the heat is there and the homeland?
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man April 23 2012 16: 08
            +2
            Goga,
            Guessed, namesake, one time laughing
            1. Goga
              Goga April 23 2012 16: 56
              +2
              an old rocket scientist - namesake, and on the other hand - don't be trolls - who to have a break with? "Don't be EVIL, how do you know what is GOOD?" If the troll yaps at you, then you wrote everything right! good
          2. valeri51d
            valeri51d April 23 2012 20: 17
            +1
            You are a "sho" werewolf under the Russian flag. Atu him.
          3. Mesniy
            Mesniy April 23 2012 23: 45
            0
            Gogik, you’re here like a super patriot and champion of pan-Slavism - how did you not recognize the Belarusian flag?
            it’s not a shame to drive anyhow if only for the opponent to try to spoil it?
            1. Goga
              Goga April 24 2012 00: 33
              +3
              Mesniy - what does this little troll have to do with Belarus, just like you do with Russia? Yes, and he is not an opponent - opponents express their own thoughts, you can argue with them - and you yourself read what he wrote here, even if there is an echo of thought in it? Well, and you "screw up your opponent" ... but it's not interesting to even swear with him, the guy is too small. request
              Here we were arguing with ZAVET all evening, well, we have different approaches, the guy voices his beliefs, I am mine - this is the opponent, and your kent, sorry, does not pull on a full-fledged troll, so "spam" on the site .. ...
        3. old rocket man
          old rocket man April 23 2012 16: 07
          +2
          valeri51d,
          Why do I need protection? Behind me everywhere a mongrel should bite, though it can’t, but yapping regularly laughing
          1. valeri51d
            valeri51d April 23 2012 20: 12
            0
            That's for sure, only a mongrel goes for a mongrel
      2. Goga
        Goga April 23 2012 14: 15
        +2
        Dust, old rocket scientist - Colleagues, I join completely "+" and "+" drinks
  8. Follow us
    Follow us April 23 2012 08: 43
    +11
    No special status is needed! Who will distinguish Russian Ivanov from Chuvash Smirnov?
    To increase the number of Russians, it’s enough to limit the sale of alcohol and tobacco, harshly stop the drug trade, stop the decomposition and misinformation of people through the media, impose false life guidelines, support large families, and maximize the freedom of the Orthodox Church. After 5 years, you will not recognize this country.
  9. ANTURAG
    ANTURAG April 23 2012 08: 45
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    Permians speak funny Russian, also not Russian?

    For reference: it is not the Permians who say "funny", but the residents of the Komi-Permyak Autonomous Okrug. And the Permians speak purely Russian.
    Concerning "official state-forming status"- it depends in what form it is presented. Any idea, even a very sensible idea, can be defiled. Oneself, their culture, their roots are trying to one degree or another to protect all the peoples of our vast Russia and the Russian people themselves cannot and should not be an exception , although the very term "official state-forming status" I do not really like
    1. older
      older April 23 2012 09: 16
      +2
      But I’ve traveled around Russia to work and I’ll say that they live differently in different places and even speak differently ... I agree with the domocle ... Recently, I was traveling by train from Khabarovsk ... What can I say? (I’m sorry, maybe the word I didn’t use it correctly) I didn’t hear enough ... laughing
  10. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 23 2012 08: 45
    +7
    I read the comments, but did any of us forget who he is by nationality? You can argue forever, but the identity of each of us will never let us forget who we are. For centuries we live with each other, in the same yards, and Russian culture, as it was, remains
  11. woland05
    woland05 April 23 2012 08: 56
    -4
    The author is Russian, but very strong katavit ... Where did you come from, from the "echo of Moscow" or the radio station "rain"? ...
    1. older
      older April 23 2012 09: 17
      +2
      Yes ...
      Quote: woland05
      Where did you come from, from the "echo of Moscow" or the radio station "rain"?
      The Russians whom it is no longer necessary to save are Russians, but ... it’s not clear what ... It’s not their ancestors who have mastered such a huge territory and defended it at the cost of their lives ...
      1. woland05
        woland05 April 23 2012 09: 23
        +5
        I will be honest, comrade. For me, there is one nationality in Russia - a serviceman. And in this regard, everyone is equal, in which case, we will all sit in the same trenches. But I am enraged by the pseudo-intellectuals who talk about the sacredness of this or that nation. You are proud that you are Russian - good! That you are a Chechen - wonderful! Buryat is great! Mordvin - wonderful! But in the first place in the minds should be the term enshrined in the Constitution - "the multinational PEOPLE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION" ...
  12. Lexagun
    Lexagun April 23 2012 09: 02
    +6
    The question is posed illiterately, no special status is needed, not only among the Russian people, but also among others, therefore, one must fight not for the special status of oneself beloved, but for the fact that there would be no "special" people of peoples, ethnic groups within the framework of a multinational state. Disengagement along ethnic lines with its special statuses is the primary path to the collapse of statehood, in the production of separatism,
    Everyone who does not receive special status will very soon want to receive one, and then the parade of sovereignty will begin, and the country will run in different directions.
    Special statuses are subject to liquidation.

    The introduction of Russian special status is primarily the maintenance of other (other peoples) special statuses. this is an excuse for everyone to stand apart.
    The Russians actually formed as a people from many other, ethnic groups of very different origin. look at how many words we have indicating a dog, the isolation of the Russians, for whatever signs, is the murder of the Russian people.

    By the way, divorcing national apartments, provoking ethnic conflicts is a favorite pastime of the Anglo-Saxon group.
  13. Igor
    Igor April 23 2012 09: 05
    +7
    Does the Russian people need an official state-forming status?


    As if no one knows that Russians are a nation-forming nation.

    The number of the Russian people is reduced, the geographical area of ​​its distribution has seriously narrowed, two branches of the superethnos of the Russians — White Russians and Little Russians — are rapidly turning into new nationalities, they are trying to isolate Pomors, Cossacks, Siberians from the Russian people, and the number of people who speak the Russian language continues to decline.


    We’ll patent this status and everything will be fine with us. Women will immediately begin to bear children, the authorities will stop stealing, they will stop drinking in the villages, the average salary will be 100 thousand. wooden and our roads will become normal and fools will die out as a species.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb April 23 2012 09: 18
      0
      I spoke normally, I brush !!!))
    2. Goga
      Goga April 23 2012 22: 34
      +2
      Igorek - Well, yes, namesake, today many people on the site think so - that the country's leadership realizes they will legalize the "status" - we will live !!! After all, it’s so convenient, you don’t need to work your children up properly, you don’t need to work hard, improve your well-being, develop the country, you don’t need to fight drunkenness and drug addiction, migrants will scatter in horror from “status” - everything will be decided by a good uncle at the top. An old, traditional Russian "gon" just not to hit the finger with a finger.
      Here, one and a half hundred years ago, by Russian writers A.K. Tolstoy and his comrades wrote:
      MODERN RUSSIAN SONG

      Oh, how are we, friends, Russian people! ..
      Every Saturday afternoon we take a steam bath
      Every day we eat fat cabbage soup
      We eat fat cabbage soup, burst buckwheat,
      I’m drinking everything in kvas with my relatives,
      Mother Holy Russia is remembered,
      Boast of love for her
      Yes, all are called Russian ...
      And how we all scolded in vain,
      That we don’t do anything,
      Just smoke the light, cool
      Just drink, eat, boast ...
      Ah, and are you good people?
      It is a shame to reproach us, scolding us, ashamed:
      We worked b, but no desire;
      We would be glad, but I do not want to;
      It's a trifling matter, but we are running away! ..
      We are running, lying on the stove,
      We go in murmolks, but we shout about Russia,
      We are screaming all about Russia - you see, hoarse!
      So still, friends, we are not Russian ?!

      Well, what has changed in a hundred and fifty years? Are there migrants in large numbers? Chinese? And who among these Urya-patriots can now work like the Chinese at a construction site? Where is there - Kitaytsev-out, give out the "status" - and what, will they go to work? oh well, figs - whine - "hurt" easier.
      1. lcalex
        lcalex April 24 2012 14: 35
        -1
        What do you give all these Chinese as an example? Yes, they know how to work, that's for sure. But, now, let the Chinese live and work in Russia, and the Russians - since they don’t know how to work, then to the dump! The Chinese are just to the point! There is not enough work and they take up any work, otherwise they will die of hunger! But Russia suffered so many shocks, survived so many wars ... How many psychos (Napoleon, Hitler) stopped. All at the cost of the blood of Russian people. The Chinese haven’t been beaten so much!
        But everyone who died in all these wars and revolutions could give birth to children. And now there would be, not just 140 million Russians, but 500 million Russians. And then the north would be mastered (with their enormous wealth) and built all by ourselves (and not the Chinese or chocks), because there would be competition. (That is, there are many working hands, therefore it is necessary to create slave jobs and would not have thumped, and worked like the Chinese, so that they would not be replaced by anyone else)
  14. PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 23 2012 09: 10
    +7
    I am Ukrainian by blood, but I live in Russia and consider myself Russian, even more - Russian, it is better to let the "God-marked" nation and the Caucasus and the Transcaucasus arrange such polls (moreover, in my homeland, not in my home), otherwise it came to pass even to the point that in his city some kind of chock raises his voice at me and opens a tavern under the windows, while no one decides to him, because both administrations and cops are resting there.
    1. skullcap
      skullcap April 23 2012 14: 11
      +2
      At one time, Bismarck spoke bluntly: “The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, to pit two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill his brother. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the national elite and, with their help, change the identity of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”
      So both in consciousness and in blood you are Russian.
    2. lcalex
      lcalex April 24 2012 14: 39
      0
      At first there were cities-principalities, then Kievan Rus became united. Then people from Kievan Rus conceived the Principality of Moscow. So that Russia and Ukraine consist of one people. We are RUSSIAN
  15. Hleb
    Hleb April 23 2012 09: 13
    +4
    many say they say Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. I'm kind of dark, but I'm Russian! I'm slanted, but I'm Russian in my soul!
    Well, be Russian, why are you scared? Be Russian in a state where Russians have a "state-forming status"
    this is for you, since you are all Russian ... it was and will be so in Russia. otherwise I’ll still wonder who I should feel and consider in my country?
    For example, I have three bloods running through my veins and this is only from my parents, it is even more interesting. The ancestors were subjected to reprisals only for the fact that they are of a "dubious" nationality, but I am not at all afraid of this "state-forming" status
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 23 2012 09: 17
      -3
      many say they say Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind.

      So it is ... Everyone remembers the film "Zhmurki" - "Oh, Ethiopian - Yes, I am Russian, Russian ..."
      1. Hleb
        Hleb April 23 2012 09: 28
        +1
        so why are "they" against such a status?
        1. Dust
          Dust April 23 2012 09: 32
          +1
          The benefit is dubious. but the harm is well visible!
    2. fern
      fern April 23 2012 10: 38
      +9
      I am Ossetian. And clean. In the library I found my family trees from two sides. Hundreds of years ago, the ancestors lived in the mountains and had no contact with anyone. And yet .... Since childhood, for some reason, it has always been easier for me in communicating with the Russians. Yes, and now that's all. Many Russian friends, a girl too. I am far from local traditions and practically do not speak my own language. But I speak Russian without an accent. Yes, relatives and relatives do not like it, but what can you do. This is how I became and so integrated into the Russian environment, which is actually very pleased. I am going to leave for Russia in the future, I think it will be easier for me to live there. It’s only a shame that many people’s stereotypes about Caucasians, which appeared due to the terrible behavior of some local monkeys, will push me ....
      1. Purgen
        Purgen April 23 2012 12: 56
        +4
        Farn. An old adage. "As it comes around, it will respond." To a normal, cultured person. Always the attitude is appropriate. I think you have nothing to fear.
        1. fern
          fern April 23 2012 14: 08
          +3
          Hope so))
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man April 23 2012 16: 14
        +1
        fern,
        Yes, no one will press you, if only thugs, but there are not so many drinks
        1. fern
          fern April 23 2012 16: 37
          +1
          That is great wink
      3. lcalex
        lcalex April 24 2012 14: 41
        0
        Come, normal people are always welcome ...
        1. Purgen
          Purgen April 24 2012 20: 34
          0
          Farn. Siberia, the Urals, the Far East. This is all what the State stands for. Not in Moscow ... Namely, on the peasants. Ural, Siberian .. And NAT shit. they have NO in their heads ... Come to Ekat. Novosib. Omsk ...
  16. Hleb
    Hleb April 23 2012 09: 20
    +1
    comments in this thread will be lengthy)
  17. Igor
    Igor April 23 2012 09: 22
    +5
    Quote: Gleb
    be Russians in a state where Russians have a "state-forming status"


    And who is the state-forming nation in Russia now? Not Russians, or what?
    1. Hleb
      Hleb April 23 2012 09: 26
      +4
      Russians! Indeed
    2. Uncle Vova
      Uncle Vova April 23 2012 16: 31
      0
      No, my friend, this is a kind of "multinational people." At the same time, it is not specified what race, faith, language this "many-sided" people is. Just a "people". Without a family, without a tribe. Without roots. An amorphous gray mass turns out, know yourself, mold to your health, whatever you want. So they try to sculpt the "scattered" miracle-yuda.
      1. uizik
        uizik April 23 2012 19: 56
        +2
        Uncle Vova, study history, read literature, and then you will understand how a people, a nation is formed. And do not write all sorts of nonsense.
    3. Hleb
      Hleb April 24 2012 19: 01
      0
      be Russians in a state where Russians have a "state-forming status"


      Igor here it is bully
  18. Atlon
    Atlon April 23 2012 09: 43
    +6
    I have always said and will continue to speak, supporting Zhirinovsky on this issue: The division of the country according to nationality must be abolished! The division should be ONLY on a territorial basis! This will solve many national issues by itself. And so that there are not too strong "indignations", to carry out a reform of the administrative division, with a preliminary deep digression into history. Now it is fashionable to rename streets, police and so on. Revert old names. So not to invent anything, but to return (from those that remained) the old names (pre-revolutionary) to the Russian territories.
    In 1914, the Russian Empire consisted of 101 units: 78 provinces (including 8 Finland provinces), 21 regions and 2 districts.
    Some of the provinces and regions were merged into 8 governor-generals, and Kronstadt was ruled by the only military governor in the empire.
    In 9 cities there were city administrations.

    who are interested, here is a detailed list of administrative formations of Russia for 1914

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Губернии_и_области_Российской_империи_на_1914
    1. alebor
      alebor April 23 2012 10: 40
      +2
      Even without Zhirinovsky, they perfectly understood and took steps in this direction - federal districts were created, uniting large territories without taking into account the nat. composition. But, unfortunately, this process has stopped in its development.
  19. dimaas
    dimaas April 23 2012 09: 45
    +13
    Today, the most relevant is the law "On Language". A huge stratum of the population has already appeared, not only not knowing the Russian language, but also not intending to study it in the future. It is these people who form stable closed diasporas with their own laws. Not only citizenship, but also the right to work should be given exclusively to persons who speak Russian.
    1. lcalex
      lcalex April 24 2012 14: 47
      0
      Precisely, so that there is no "neither Hellene nor Jew", only people who speak Russian should be allowed to work on the territory of the Russian Federation.
  20. zevs379
    zevs379 April 23 2012 09: 52
    +11
    Why did many nations reach out to us and after a while self-identify as Russians? We were trying harder to live in good conscience! Because now the reverse process. It's about us Russians. It is necessary to tighten the laws in the flesh to draconian for drug dealership, for separatism, for information sabotage. And it’s time to really improve the nation - every student should be able to attend one sports section for free. And also yard sports. IMHO
    1. Dmitry.V
      Dmitry.V April 23 2012 10: 30
      +3
      Yard sports is attended by such guys with hats 228, drinking, smoking and at the same time doing sports, it’s a pity that this has become a culture among young people.
      1. fern
        fern April 23 2012 11: 59
        +1
        They always were incomprehensible to me. How can you combine such opposite things?
        1. Dmitry.V
          Dmitry.V April 23 2012 12: 13
          +1
          To beat money for alcohol and smoke.
  21. Art111
    Art111 April 23 2012 10: 15
    +5
    I believe that such a status is necessary, the first thing they are purposefully destroying from the outside, as well as the Russian people themselves or from the inside, as well as the Slavs as a whole. This does not mean separating it into a separate caste - it is a salvation from the degeneration of the nation. This is a raising of the national Russian idea, not fanaticism and not stupid Nazism. Look at how many children are born to other nationalities and how many Slavs we have. The reasons can be discussed endlessly. The nationwide faith in Russia, if I am not mistaken, is Orthodox. Domocles wrote about China, read what formative nationality is there.
  22. evolus
    evolus April 23 2012 10: 30
    +7
    Small nations behave, this is mine and this is our common. The Russians have a national anthem, a national flag, a national president, (as opposed to republics) as a result of neither territories nor property. And the meaning of red tape is precisely who will be the owner of the lands, subsoil, enterprises, assets, the banking system and, consequently, the authorities. After denationalization and sharing. can and abolish the republic. and declare the inviolability of the property .... Try to take especially assets in offshore. And they come up with intrusion scenarios, for example. non-observance of property rights. Therefore, assets are being withdrawn and assets are exchanged with large foreign corporations. As in 17g. support for small nations with a common goal. the consequences are known.
  23. yorik_gagarin
    yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 10: 30
    +15
    Sorry guys, but it’s just killing me when Russian says that Russian is a state of mind, Russian is not just a nation, it’s something more and blah blah blah you end up with a big donut hole. I used to have this liberalistic mess in my head. But ...... life has made adjustments. What is wrong is that I am Russian, that I am proud of my nation, my family, my family, and I think that Russians are the greatest and this is my right. And I want to be among Russians Russian. After all, everyone behaves in this way; therefore, we are not degraded. Why do they begin to turn me into some kind of cement of nations there !!! In some sort of gray crowd without self-identification. - like the one who speaks Russian is already Russian. Russian is a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino. So we are not just a nation - we are a nation, the descendants of the GREAT great-grandfathers. When the Russians were driven from the national republics, with violence, with blood, no one raised the question of the state of mind, they drove them on the basis of nationality. And very good identification passed. Russians defined Pts well. Of course, just writing in the constitution or where else the problem will not be solved, and there won’t be any sense ..... but we (Russians) must demand this (especially since we have every right to do so) thereby we unite, we are not indifferent our destiny, we say WE ARE. And now there are no Russians in Russia. Judge even on your own: the Tatars will be beaten, the Tatars will be beaten, the Chechens will be beaten, the Chechens will be beaten, the Russian will be beaten, the guy will be screamed. Regarding self-identification, my mother is a Belarusian, my father is Russian - I am Russian. If the mother were a black woman - I am Russian, everything else is from the evil one.
    P.S. The eldest son 4. I read to him and tell our story. I explain that he is Russian, who are the Russians, that he must always be able to stand up for himself and for a friend if necessary. etc. And somehow I take it from the children of the kindergarten, there are a lot of people in the locker room, and one boy starts to lift the girl and son so with a ringing (there was a pause for everyone) Are you not Russian ?? !!!! And at this moment I understand that a special state of mind does not arise from scratch ......
    1. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross April 23 2012 10: 38
      +5
      yorik_gagarin,
      Quote: yorik_gagarin
      When the Russians were driven from the national republics, with violence, with blood, no one raised the question of the state of mind, they drove them on the basis of nationality. And very good identification passed.

      +1000 good
      And with the son you conduct the correct upbringing. I respect
      I have two daughters, I regret that there is no boyfriend, but I try to raise my daughters in the same spirit.
      But in general, now around the world they are trying to destroy and mutilate any culture and cut everyone to an American motley rabble that is not even interested in its history. Any person without self-identification is simply a soulless zombie and one can not speak about the state of mind here at all.
    2. BMW
      BMW April 23 2012 10: 44
      +4
      yorik_gagarin
      Well done support + drinks
    3. VeteranVSK
      VeteranVSK April 23 2012 13: 01
      +8
      "A Russian is not the one who bears the Russian surname, but the one who loves Russia and considers it his fatherland." Anton Ivanovich Denikin, " drinks
      1. yorik_gagarin
        yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 14: 05
        +1
        The father is not the one who gave birth and the one who raised ....... but nevertheless, everyone strives to give birth to a son !!!!
    4. Uncle Vova
      Uncle Vova April 23 2012 16: 34
      0
      And who says something? Non-Russians and talk most of all. That is, they, like, know better than us who we are.
    5. Art111
      Art111 April 24 2012 10: 02
      +1
      You are doing everything right. Well, comrades, maybe a referendum ?!
  24. BMW
    BMW April 23 2012 10: 36
    +4
    If national self-awareness disappears, so does the nation. It doesn’t matter which: Russians, Chuvashs, Tatars, or Buryats. But Russian national self-awareness is nowhere below. There is assimilation and degradation, both physical and moral, not only of the Russian, but of the Slavic population. The Slavs are curled up: it’s bad for the neighbor - but I feel good, and against this background, the Caucasians community is simply beating in the eyes. There will be no Russian cement - there will be no state building Russia. The reason in history: Russian colonialism was very different from Western European: absorption and equalization of the rights of national elites, not enslavement.
    The error in the article: the number of Russians and the Russian Empire in the USSR ranged from 40-50%
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 10: 49
      +1
      Russia has never had a colonial policy. Colonists never had equal rights with the colonialists.
  25. Dmitry.V
    Dmitry.V April 23 2012 10: 38
    +3
    Russia is "a riddle wrapped in mystery, placed inside a puzzle"
    1. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross April 23 2012 10: 56
      +1
      Dmitry.V,
      Winston Churchill! And he is right! laughing
      1. Dmitry.V
        Dmitry.V April 23 2012 16: 06
        +1
        The truth was to completely quote
  26. Moga
    Moga April 23 2012 10: 42
    +1
    Russians need unity. In our country, it is necessary to make preferences for the Russians. That's all.
  27. SectoR
    SectoR April 23 2012 10: 42
    +4
    Does the Russian people need an official state-forming status?
    Wow, what topic did you come up with. State-forming status? It may be necessary, but it seems to be clear to everyone.

    It has long been so customary in Russia, do not go with your charter into a strange monastery !! I agree, BUT

    Want to change the world, start with yourself !! Before you deal with this, you need to educate yourself and yours, some who are now screaming and splashing with drool, repeating that he is typing, washing down all this with a beer. What about children? I won’t ask where yours are, just walk down the street ... and everything is clear. That’s exactly what you have to deal with. And you are all a clear example of imitation. Healthy youth, healthy mentality, Healthy future. And not everyone will go to strong people, but if he goes, he will be treated differently and with respect. Yes, the Russian people, the foundation of the Russian Federation. But the foundation should be in force, order and respect, and not in national strife ...

    I see the older generation, I can’t say they are Russian or not Russian, I can say they are Soviet, they had a different attitude to everything. Of course, they were united by a common misfortune, and a common victory. And they didn’t have such questions until the 80s
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 11: 17
      +4
      Being Russian in Russia is not national strife. Otherwise, do not dare to be a Tatar, a Buryat, a Bashkir. Do you think if I will be Russian in Russia then tomorrow I’ll go to cut Udmurts ??? So the youth in our country is growing and don’t understand how, because it has no roots.
      1. Brother.
        Brother. April 23 2012 18: 19
        +4
        The essence is interesting and Fair-THE STRONG IS RESPECTED, they listen to them (EVEN IF THERE IS NO TRUTH). It is not necessary to go far with her ambitions and she absolutely does not give a damn about everyone, her competitors do not need the principle of one-divide and rule and, first of all, allied peoples who do not agree with her pretensions are very effective. As for the youth ... it seems to me that this is a program to exterminate Russians first (I am sure that Russian is not an adjective, but a noun), but behind us and all of you splashing saliva ... I myself never understood the slogan "For Russia , For the Russians ", but I will support" For Russia, FOR RUSSIANS, For her few ALLIES ". The time comes for everyone to decide for himself who he is, or we ALL TOGETHER and respect each other, traditions, culture, customs, that is, brothers and allies (BUT NOT SO THAT IN DAMAGE ONE = MUTUAL BENEFITS-UNION SHOULD BE), or enemies, as do many abreks who have come down from the mountains to stay for a while and have forgotten about it. We are a patient people, we endure a lot and for a long time, we go away from solving the problem - this is our misfortune for which, apparently, we are considered weak. But sooner or later, BUT ALWAYS the chapel comes. Look into history, it develops in a spiral. It will not be great for anyone, neither for us, nor for you. And about the above-described measures that you do not like, they are needed, measures for the survival of our people, and this is a fact. Medveps have shown their inability to decide anything. It turns out a game with only one goal. Why is the murder of a Russian an everyday life, and a nerus is an inter-ethnic strife? Apparently, on the principle, beat your own people so that others are afraid. Where does respect come from here? The events in the arena are just consequences. And yet, trouble from our house will come to yours, and vice versa. It's only a matter of time. Actually, you can write for a very long time, for me personally - Article in the bull's-eye. PLEASE find 45 minutes of time, watch a film about pivasik ..., maybe he will help someone, and explain something ...
        http://video.mail.ru/mail/puvu879/_myvideo/71.html
  28. evolus
    evolus April 23 2012 10: 46
    +4
    as for why other nations are drawn to us and, as a result, call themselves Russians. When it is convenient to call them Russians, but with their own diaspora. when not watch TV. and Russian self-identification does not smell. Everyone goes to where it is more profitable and easier to live. for ready-made. How much effort, costs, inventions, thinking is needed to create a prosperous state. not to mention the conquest and defense of their lands. For generations people have been honing the culture of relationships. And then someone sees a large market for the "apricot" and so on. their capabilities. And here again the service of the authorities is to protect the interests of citizens not only of their merchants, in principle. 20 million foreigners and many illegal immigrants are our defenders of interests.
  29. schonia06rus
    schonia06rus April 23 2012 10: 54
    -7
    I’m buying Russian from you! my father (yes he doesn’t alone) said that in the days of the USSR they all called themselves Russian! at the same time, the Soviet Union collapsed primarily the Russians themselves! Now you are again unhappy to see whether the Russians are not recognized as the main ones! Yes, you in this country are like uncut dogs, no Czechs will bother you even if you wish! RUSSIAN PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED)) Yes, you insult yourself, my brother tried to get a job at Rosneft, through a friend, to which he answered him - the Russians also have acquaintances! and there are many more!
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 11: 23
      +6
      here’s the trick then ...... I’m Russian here, I’ll be dragged Russian x ..... n where I’ll drag me ..... to oil grew through a friend ..... here you’ll run you there alone so you all arrange your village there ..... it’s good that at least one normal Russian is growing in oil
  30. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 April 23 2012 10: 55
    +4
    The article emphasizes an important problem: the preservation of the Russian People, namely its history, traditions, way of life, religion, etc. But these actions raise concerns about the stability of the state itself - the Russian Federation. It turns out that in order to preserve the Russian Federation, Russians need to become a "state-forming biomass" and then there will be no national minorities in the country, there will be equality and, accordingly, there will be no soil for radical nationalism, separatism ... Everyone will be equal.
    But Here lies the main misconception: equality is not the ratio of the number of nationalities to each other. Be sure to have the majority and minority nationalities. Russians are the national majority and the state is a nation-forming nation - this is a fact, this is our story. And this does not need to be masked, it must be emphasized.
    And the rights, opportunities, for every nation are the same because all are citizens of one state.
    I consider the Russians to have no status in our country - this is a slow bomb to the degradation of the entire state. And the establishment of such a status is a natural and necessary action to strengthen the country and of course the Russian people.
    The relationship between peoples within the country is not based on a quantitative ratio, but on mutual respect, equality, the desire to live together, unity for the fortress from external threats and effective relations within the country.
    PS The issue of labor migrants is not a problem for Russians, but for all citizens. If we imagine any of our cities, there will be huge enclaves of Chinese, Koreans, Tajiks, Uzbeks, whose problem will it be? right, local people, no matter what nationality they are.
  31. Odessa
    Odessa April 23 2012 11: 17
    +3
    If you ask a Russian citizen for nationality, he will answer that he is Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish, etc. If you ask a Russian, Ukrainian, or Jew living in the United States, he will answer that he is American, and if you ask the Arab for nationality, he He will answer with a phrase, an Arab Muslim or an Arab peasant. So here, they are not born Russian, they become Russian. And from time immemorial, Russia is not inseparable from Orthodoxy.
    1. alebor
      alebor April 23 2012 11: 55
      +6
      The English word "nation" does not fully correspond to the Russian word "nation". In the English nation, it can be both nationality and citizenship, and even very often - a country. Even if you take our passport, the Russian word "citizenship" is translated there into English as "nationality" - nationality. Therefore, it is not surprising that a Russian citizen of America, when asked about his nationality, will answer that he is an American, of course, because he is an American citizen. In Russia, nationality and citizenship are not the same thing. Nationality, so to speak, is the tribal name of a person and it, like the generic name (surname), is inherited from his parents (or one of the parents).
  32. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth April 23 2012 11: 18
    +9
    The article is correct, we need to stimulate the birth rate of the indigenous population. and the gradual eviction of migrants who have received citizenship over the past 5-10 years, I myself work with them and do not notice traces of cultural assimilation.
  33. marline
    marline April 23 2012 11: 23
    -2
    http://www.святаярусь.su/

    The main goal of the regional public movement "HOLY RUSSIA" is to create conditions for improving the Co-Knowledge of all citizens of the Russian Federation and to ensure, on this basis, Spiritual Unity.
    ************************************************** ******************************



    Here, as they say, they meet Warriors of Light
  34. yorik_gagarin
    yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 11: 25
    -4
    In general, I think that Christianity is destroying the Slavs
    1. fern
      fern April 23 2012 11: 57
      +1
      Well, and now what all Slavs accept Islam?
      1. yorik_gagarin
        yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 12: 29
        -1
        It’s a long time to talk about it, but I think I’m just convinced that Orthodoxy is paganism ..... it’s necessary to look somewhere here ....
        1. Cripple cross
          Cripple cross April 23 2012 15: 19
          0
          yorik_gagarin,
          Maybe then bring a religion that you do not consider paganism ????
          1. marline
            marline April 23 2012 15: 33
            0
            http://www.otkroveniya.ru/
          2. marline
            marline April 23 2012 15: 35
            0
            Cripple cross

            http://www.otkroveniya.ru
            1. Cripple cross
              Cripple cross April 23 2012 16: 31
              +2
              marline,
              I apologize in advance to the moderators and all those who read this foul language!

              Merlin - this link HU * NYA FULL! Instead of the ridiculous spam of the sect, it would be better to speak out on the topic.
          3. yorik_gagarin
            yorik_gagarin April 25 2012 07: 40
            +1
            I am an atheist in terms of any religions .. All religions have one essence - faith. No matter how, where and what - the main thing is to believe it and that’s it. You can only believe in the absurd, you do not need to believe in the logical. I believe that a person should follow the path of self-improvement, for this just mindlessly believe in something or not, you learn something and practice it, and faith only removes you from the truth. Blessed one believes, the clever will seek, he who seeks will find. And faith gives birth only to fanatics. My point is, I do not impose anyone. And in general, I am not a supporter of radicalism. That is what concerns our Orthodox Christianity, so to speak.
            I do not exaggerate, but with those with whom I discussed Christianity, not a single one read the Bible, nor a new, even less so, old testament. This is called religious fanaticism. Everyone just believes ...... And how did Christianity come to us in general. Throw away all emotions. Through blood and violence, through terror. Who baptized ....... the illegally born prince, in fact an impostor, who killed all the legitimate princes, so to speak, brothers ...... And as they say, a new life began in the village. This is in fact ...... and the interpretation of all this on a historical scale is ala Hollywood. Again, my opinion. And I am sure for today - that Orthodoxy that we have today is based on that pre-Christian culture that was before baptism.
        2. fern
          fern April 23 2012 15: 23
          +3
          Hm. I have to agree on something. here, in Ossetia, for example, such a situation. The ancestors of the Ossetians, Alans adopted Christianity in the first half of the 1st millennium. their descendants of the Ossetians were driven into the Caucasus Mountains as a result of the Tatar-Mongol invasion. Isolation led to a return to pagan traditional beliefs. But partially. Now the local religion is an unusual mixture of Orthodoxy and local beliefs that inherited the features of ancient Christianity and paganism. I myself sometimes wonder how baptized people call themselves and their people pagans. I myself am an atheist, so I just watch from the side.
          1. Cripple cross
            Cripple cross April 23 2012 17: 04
            +3
            fern,
            Quote: Farn
            I myself sometimes wonder how baptized people call themselves and their people pagans.

            not everyone who is baptized is a believer.
            Not everyone who speaks Russian is Russian
            Not everyone who blasphemes Russia - its battered.
            I watched the program about the center of ideological struggle in the USA. a huge center in which there are a lot of computers and there are people perfectly fluent in Russian and modern slang. Each is assigned certain areas and resources. Here they are sitting and engaged in boltology and inciting disputes. So here it is.
    2. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 29 2012 15: 57
      0
      Bow to you for this thought.
  35. alebor
    alebor April 23 2012 11: 29
    +3
    It may seem offensive to someone, but no one has repealed the laws of biology for people, and in human populations as well as in animal populations, groups with higher birth rates are gradually replacing groups with lower ones. If the Russian people, the ratio of the number of births and the number of deaths will remain at the current level, then its historical future is not too optimistic. When there are more deaths than births, the number of migrants will only increase, because someone will have to occupy the vacant places. Nature, as you know, does not tolerate emptiness.
    Of course, in addition to increasing the birth rate, there is another way - naturalization and assimilation of migrants so that their descendants consider themselves Russian. But with this approach, after some time in Russia speaking of "Slavic appearance" will mean a person with slanted dark eyes, black hair and a wide flat face.
  36. virm
    virm April 23 2012 11: 31
    +8
    In my opinion, the discussion again went into the question of Russians and Russianness. But this is not the problem. The mass migration of foreigners to the land of the Russian people and other indigenous peoples of Russia must be stopped. Over the past 10 years, up to 20 million have arrived. There have never been such invasions anywhere. In Europe, this process has been going on since the 60s. And they don’t even give us such a time lag. And there will be more.
    The authorities say one thing or another for any reason. He maneuvers. But, on the issue of mass migration to Russia, the government has an unshakable position. Migration, and it is massive, is and will be.
    By the way, the other day a program for the "development" of the Far East was announced, so one of the points there is a simplified issuance of Russian citizenship. Probably for the sake of this the whole "program" is muddled.
    Migration from Transcaucasia and Avg. Asia must be stopped completely.
    A visa regime must be introduced with these countries. Impervious mode.
    Illegal migrants who came to the Russian Federation from these places should be deported to their homelands.
    Legal migrants must return to their countries to apply for a Russian visa.
    Review decisions on the issue of citizenship of the Russian Federation to persons from these countries in the past 20 years. Most of them are guaranteed to have a corruption component.
    All these measures, of course, do not concern the indigenous peoples of Russia.
    If this is done within 3-5 years, all the far-fetched questions about "Russian nationalism" will disappear by themselves. All the peoples of Russia will, like the last 500 years, live in peace and harmony with each other.
  37. Ty3uk
    Ty3uk April 23 2012 11: 31
    +1
    Everything is beautifully written, but I did not understand the main thing - what is "official state-forming status" and what does he give? Can anyone explain? Or give a quote from an article where it is chewed? I really could not find. smile
    1. Hleb
      Hleb April 23 2012 13: 47
      +4
      I did not understand the main thing - what is the "official state-forming status" and what does it give?


      so what is there to understand wink look at the results of the survey and come to us, to the people!
      (to the titular nation))
  38. Oktyabrist
    Oktyabrist April 23 2012 12: 06
    -2
    And I believe that a single language should be not only Russian on the territory of Russia, but also on the whole planet. Why do Tatars, Bashkirs and others know Russian, but we Russians do not know international English? People with imperial ambitions will certainly say that Russians should not submit to England and learn its language and will instruct me in the minuses, but I’m sure that by introducing compulsory English in schools we won’t lose anything and only gain (and, of course, strengthen our influence in national schools Russian language). If we could not make Russian international at the time, then let us be kind enough to learn English. After all, if the whole planet knows one international language, then the language barrier will be overcome.
  39. dmb
    dmb April 23 2012 12: 14
    +8
    How quickly we forget the lessons of the recent past. In 89-90, they also yelled: "The Russians do not have their own capital. The Russians do not have their own state." And they got - Yeltsin's SNOW, surrounded by natural "Rusaks": Chubais, Abramovich, Nemtsov. It is clear that Samsonov's article is caused by the pain of each of us for the fate of Russia, or rather the Russian space. But from the specific measures given in the article, it is clear and realistic, perhaps, only a simplified granting of citizenship. Everything else is either general phrases or, unfortunately, unrealizable dreams now. Indeed, in order to promote Russian culture, you need to nationalize the media, and who will let you do this. Well this is "totalitarianism" in its purest form. In order to level the standard of living in Chechnya and the Ryazan region, it is necessary to take away from Kadyrov and his guardians the right to spend money uncontrollably and provide subsidies in proportion to the population size and economic indicators. Well, who will do it ?. In order to stop the uncontrolled growth of migration, it is only worth confiscating the business from the owner when illegal workers are found. But is it beneficial to those in power?
  40. SectoR
    SectoR April 23 2012 12: 22
    +1
    Quote: yorik_gagarin
    Otherwise, do not dare to be a Tatar, a Buryat, a Bashkir

    who wrote the article and commented on it, didn’t remember not drilling, the Bashkirs, and not the Tatars (that is, me), it was probably a little about others, a little about those who stand out a little (NO ANY OFFENSE). and the topic is a little different, and I talked about something completely different.
    Quote: yorik_gagarin
    here you run one there so you arrange your whole village there

    I would not have supported it if I hadn’t seen it myself, FACT. And this is not the problem, you have to work in the same place, and not just attach yourself.


    sore subject, comments will be eternal ...
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 12: 58
      +6
      You see what’s the matter, I’m not a nationalist, much less a racist. I really know, and I think it’s normal — if anything — I’ll save my family and my children first. Otherwise, the continuation of my family will be in jeopardy. This is the law of nature in which we exist, the strongest wins and all life on the planet obeys this law ....... you can talk about the eternal only by drinking coffee after taking a bath. When the question of life and death arises, then .... (you can tell me anything), but you will ultimately save your own others afterwards. It would be stupid if you go, for example, to save the starving in Africa at that moment when there will be hunger in Tatarstan. And do not say that we are one people in Russia, etc. with all further similar nonsense. Otherwise, abandon nat. republics, let there be provinces ..... without mentioning any national interests ..... if we are one people .... why are republics and national territories ??? But for some reason, when Russian raises the question of creating a national Russian territory then ...... this is Russian fascism, chauvinism ..... Nazism ....., this is the collapse of Russia, the guys need the same kind of justice
  41. UI-Spb
    UI-Spb April 23 2012 12: 54
    +8
    I am Russian, grew up in Siberia, now I live in St. Petersburg. I speak Russian and drive a Russian car. I am not ashamed to say this out loud. Why, for the sake of other nationalities, should I bashfully lower my eyes and say - Russian? !!! I’m not a Nazi, but I won’t allow shitting on my head!
    1. apro
      apro April 24 2012 00: 24
      +1
      And who forbids you?
  42. virm
    virm April 23 2012 13: 16
    +2
    At the end of May this year may cease to exist the Southern Federal District (SFD). The result of the reforms, apparently, will be the strengthening of the North Caucasus Federal District (NCFD) in the structure of internal policy management of the head of state’s administration. Volgograd, Astrakhan regions and Kalmykia can be included in the Volga Federal District, and Rostov Region, Krasnodar Territory and Adygea - in the North Caucasus Federal District. At the same time, the capital of the North Caucasus District will be moved from Pyatigorsk to Rostov-on-Don. It is possible that the enlarged North Caucasus Federal District will be renamed into the new Southern Federal District.
    Instead of freeing the Highlanders from the power of the Stavropol Territory, these cranks give up Rostov and Krasnodar.
    1. serge
      serge April 24 2012 11: 16
      +1
      virm
      Instead of freeing the Highlanders from the power of the Stavropol Territory, these cranks give up Rostov and Krasnodar.
      --------------------------------
      These are not cranks. These are conscious enemies.
  43. Pablomc
    Pablomc April 23 2012 13: 47
    -5
    I did not even read the article to the end - a waste of time.

    Eternal hysteria on the "given topic", and the Russians, as they were, and will be - will not go anywhere.
    Everything will be like in other countries - people are such creatures that someone always goes somewhere and mixes up ... mixes up ...
    Somewhere more, somewhere less.
    In the southern states of America, Spanish has almost become the second national language, so what ..?
    After some years there, the majority of the population of the States will be colored and what ...?
    People decide how they live.

    We are not the first, we are not the last.
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin April 23 2012 14: 00
      +4
      America is not the best example ....... Indians will confirm this to you .....
      1. PabloMsk
        PabloMsk April 23 2012 14: 37
        -3
        Quote: yorik_gagarin
        America is not the best example ....... Indians will confirm this to you .....


        It may not be the best example, but how this happens is always important to understand and see. They have gone far, far ahead in these matters.

        And what is wrong with their Indians?
        Their Indians live as you never dreamed :)
        We can only compare this approach to national minorities with Chechnya.
        First soaked, and then made rich.

        Well I say - not we are the first, not we are the last.
        1. Cripple cross
          Cripple cross April 24 2012 15: 00
          +1
          PabloMsk,
          Pablomc,
          Well, here you are 100 pounds alone and the same FACE! Yes, with the American Avs.
          Yes, you are sitting a hundred pounds in the American center for information warfare and scribbling all the nonsense on our resources. Fuck an American zombie. Chew your burger and hot dog there too laughing
  44. darkman70
    darkman70 April 23 2012 15: 01
    +8
    It seems to me that all the same, some state-forming status is needed. At least just for choosing guidelines in foreign and domestic policy.
    I also want to say that while the Russians smear their snot and talk about how not to offend anyone, no one is ceremonious with us. Has the collapse of the Soviet Union really taught no one? And this happens not only in the former republics of the USSR, but also in Russia itself. The Russian world narrows like shagreen skin, and the more it narrows, the less chance there is for Russia to continue. Why is this happening and how to deal with it?
    1. Moral decomposition.
    For several decades, Russian people have been taught with the help of the media, film products, books that Russians are drunkards, lazy people, dirty, trash, people who are not capable of anything. (Take at least the recent films: "Elena", "Once upon a time there was a woman," "Siberia. Monamur", 4 days in May.) As a result, several generations of people have grown up who think so, a generation of defeatists, a generation of people who He sincerely believes that whatever the Russians do, “it will turn out as always.” The foreigners, who also watch these films, have the impression of moral superiority over such a people.
    It is necessary to introduce state censorship, as well as building a new ideological policy regarding the media. In Russia, the appearance of anti-Russian works, both local and foreign, should be ruled out. The state machine should support products that promote the creative people, the victorious people, and not the defeated people.
    It is necessary to further limit the sale of alcohol and cigarettes, take draconian measures to carriers and distributors of drugs ... Promotion of a healthy lifestyle and sports, socially useful work.
    2. Demography.
    Mine can’t do without drastic measures. Otherwise, it will be very bad.
    As such a measure, a complete ban on the sale of contraceptives can be proposed. This will not only increase the birth rate, but also inflict a severe blow to prostitution. People will avoid random relationships and will focus on serious relationships and family values.
    It is necessary to prohibit abortion while increasing financial assistance to expectant mothers. Maternity capital is insufficient. It is necessary to ban in Russia the activities of foreign foundations introducing in Russia the arrangement for a small family, "living for oneself" and family planning. In schools, it is necessary to introduce lessons that promote the traditional family with the dominant role of men. It is necessary to adopt an all-Russian law banning the propaganda of homosexuality and exclude any product of this kind from the country's media space.
    A family with 3 children should become the norm, which should be encouraged by the state and promoted in every way. One of the possible ways of support is the transfer of money by working children not to the pension fund, but directly to the parents' accounts, which can become an incentive for a large family.
    3. Separatism.
    It is probably clear to everyone that the existence of national republics in Russia is a time bomb.
    4. Migration.
    The influx of migrants with an alien culture and mentality to Russians is dangerous for the very existence of Russia.
    It is necessary to introduce a visa regime for countries such as Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan. At the same time, using various privileges and preferences, it is necessary to resettle Russian diasporas from countries such as Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Tajikistan (in the total amount of 200 thousand people) to Russia, which have become insignificant. It is necessary to fully promote the return of Russian diasporas to foreign countries to Russia, as well as support the resettlement of European peoples and other nations to Russia, which are quickly pouring into the Russian world.
    All of this, of course, is impossible without stable economic development.
  45. SectoR
    SectoR April 23 2012 15: 09
    +4
    Quote: yorik_gagarin
    Otherwise, abandon nat. republics, let there be provinces ..... without mentioning any national interests ..... if we are one people .... why are republics and national territories ???

    Yes, it seems, and so it all goes, if you go deeper. And even without this, even with the example of Tatarstan, the people are Russified, half of the youth do not know their native language. In big cities, everyone speaks Russian. Perhaps all of this is being helped from above, but no one has nothing against the common Russian man, no one is crowding out anyone.
    They are simply engaged in educating young people so that they know their language, culture, traditions and this cannot be taken away from us ... smart people do the same for you.

    Quote: yorik_gagarin
    And do not say that we are one people in Russia, etc. with all further similar nonsense.

    That's because of such words of the USSR and collapsed. Maybe not one people, BUT the fifth century together, and this is already not enough, this also applies to the Bashkirs, Udmurts and other peoples of the Urals, Volga and even to Kamchatka. It is impossible to categorically divide all of this, because of this, a split occurs.
    For me, the same Ukraine and Belarus are ours. I have been talking with people here and there, and knowing that I am a Tatar, that I agree with Russia from Russia. But power turns in its own way.
    The only thing is that the troubled Caucasus is annoying me, and guests from abroad are talking about it here, and you are sharing yours ... Oh, Yura offended, offended so much, cut him without a knife ... In the first comments I said that I need to educate and raise mine and not to look for the guilty. And especially not about Nazism (just caught the word, not the essence) misunderstanding
    1. yorik_gagarin
      yorik_gagarin April 25 2012 06: 58
      +2
      Sorry if offended .... honestly didn't want to. I am not reducing my thought to the fact that the Tatars are bad and the Russians are all d'Artagnans. I am reducing the thought to the fact that it is necessary to change the question in relation to the Russians, first of all the Russians themselves. You say I am a Tatar and I defend my culture and my language. And I think this is correct. You must know your ancestral roots. This is your family, you have to look after her. And nothing bad will happen if you have loyal friends, Russians or Dagestanis, or it doesn't matter. But only if you do not respect your roots, you will become weak, this is a path to decay, a path to nowhere, you will not be interesting to anyone and you will not have friends. And I want to convey the fact that when he says the same thing, and even more so does Russian in relation to his culture, language ... he is told nezya ... this is Nazism, chauvenism is not yours, this is common ... I also ask where is mine ???? That's all ..... don't get me wrong .... I'm not a shaved fool .... I'm Russian.
  46. leon-iv
    leon-iv April 23 2012 15: 19
    +4
    And you did not try not to reason on the Internet but what to do?
    Demographic problem?
    Give birth who does not give you? What a woman is selected.
    Raise children who does not give you?
    Work well. Who doesn’t give you?
  47. darkman70
    darkman70 April 23 2012 15: 52
    +3
    leon-iv,
    Demographic problem?
    Give birth who does not give you? What women are selected

    There is a demographic problem and it would be foolish not to notice it.
    If there is a problem, then naturally there are reasons that generate it. These reasons need to be addressed.
    And these reasons are not in "taking away women" - they are in people's heads.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv April 23 2012 16: 00
      -2
      There is a demographic problem and it would be foolish not to notice it.
      undoubtedly I can even name 3 main reasons
      1 WWII
      2 90s
      3 Change of cultural values.
      A simple solution often make love without contraception))))
  48. GP
    GP April 23 2012 15: 53
    0
    State-forming status - this is the nationalization of the country, only from afar, with a quiet glanders, so that they will buzz less, when and how it will be fixed interesting.
  49. TiGRoO
    TiGRoO April 23 2012 16: 01
    +1
    It is necessary to return Soviet citizenship - and everyone will become Soviet people as before!
    We are proud that Gagarin is not a Jew, and not a Tatar,
    not a tungus. and not Uzbek
    and our Soviet man!
  50. chukapabra
    chukapabra April 23 2012 16: 04
    +6
    In the Kazakh autonomy, local nationalities have hidden privileges> in the former Soviet republics, they clamp down on the Russians and everything connected with them. It is time for the Russians to stop bending over and playing political correctness. Russians should have no less rights. Being Russian does not mean automatically sagging under other nationalities and peoples whose merit lies only in the fact that there are few of them.