Kazakhstan refused to Cyrillic. What's next?

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Kazakhstan approved a new alphabet based on the Latin alphabet. As you know, in October 2017 in Kazakhstan, it was decided to abandon the Cyrillic script and switch to Latin. President Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a decree on the gradual transition to the Latin alphabet until the 2025 year. What made Kazakhstan, one of the key states in the post-Soviet and Eurasian space, refuse to use the Cyrillic alphabet? Some talk about purely economic considerations, others about the nationalist aspirations of the Kazakh elite and even the desire to distance themselves from Russia as far as possible.

Kazakhstan refused to Cyrillic. What's next?




Nazarbayev himself has repeatedly said that all advanced countries of the world use the Latin alphabet, therefore it is advisable for Kazakhstan to switch to the Latin alphabet. Of course, the desire to distance itself from Moscow as the reason for the transition to the new writing is denied in Kazakhstan. Representatives of the Kazakh authorities claim that the country will continue to cooperate with Russia, since there is simply no way out of it - yet story common, and a huge land border, and a large Russian population in Kazakhstan (by the way, Kazakhs live in Russia - in Astrakhan, Orenburg, Volgograd, Omsk and Novosibirsk regions and a number of other regions). But it is difficult not to discern political implications in the transition to the Latin, especially in such an interesting time.

The Cyrillic alphabet played a huge role in the formation and development of the Kazakh alphabet. Despite a certain spread of Arabic writing, the true development of writing in Kazakhstan began with the approval of the Cyrillic alphabet. In the 19th century, missionary alphabets, developed, by the way, by the Kazakhs themselves, appeared. So, one of the first Cyrillic alphabets for the Kazakh language was developed by Ibray Altynsarin - a native of the Kazakh Kypchak tribe, a state councilor (this is about the issue of national discrimination in the Russian Empire) and an inspector of Kazakh schools in the Turgai region. However, the missionary alphabet received a very limited distribution - the elite of the Kazakh tribes, especially in the south, continued to use Arabic writing, and the majority of Kazakhs were generally illiterate and did not know how to write in one language. The Arabic letter could not convey all the phonetic originality of the Turkic languages, therefore there was a need to create a special script based on either the Cyrillic or Latin alphabet.

First, in the middle of 1920-ies, Yanalif was developed - a single Turkic alphabet based on Latin. However, in light of the deterioration of Soviet-Turkish relations and the changing global political situation, in 1938, the transition of the Turkic languages ​​of the USSR to the Cyrillic script began. In the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet - 42 letters, in the new alphabet on the basis of the Latin letter - 32 letters.

The decision of Nursultan Nazarbayev on the transition to the Latin script was perceived ambiguously by both Russians in Russia and Kazakhstan, and the Kazakhs themselves. The fact is that the adoption of the new alphabet proceeded according to the infamous principle “we wanted the best, but it turned out as always.” Many Kazakhstani philologists were horrified by the number of apostrophes contained in the variant of the Latin alphabet that attracted Nazarbayev. Apostrophes not only make reading difficult, but also create serious obstacles to working on the Internet. However, this particular. Much more interesting is the political rationale for making such a decision, which is undoubtedly present.

The transition of a number of post-Soviet republics to Latin alphabets began in the 1990-x - 2000-s. Now Cyrillic writing has remained in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. In Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, the Latin alphabet has long been used, and now Kazakhstan will be included in this list. Meanwhile, firstly, the Latin alphabet is not historical for the Turkic languages ​​of Eurasia, the translation of writing on its basis cannot be explained by considerations of the restoration of historical justice or the revival of traditions. Where there really were their own traditions of writing, no one even thought of abandoning them even in Soviet times. Latin script remained in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, where it really is traditional. Armenia and Georgia have their own writing systems and, by the way, even Georgia, which demonstrates the maximum desire for rapprochement with the West, has never tried to switch to the Latin alphabet - the Georgian people simply will not understand such a decision.

It is difficult to explain the reform of writing in Kazakhstan and the needs of economic or scientific and technological development. For example, such dynamically developing countries of the world as Japan, China, the Republic of Korea, India and do not think to translate their languages ​​into the Latin alphabet. Writing, radically different from Latin, does not hinder them in economic development and scientific and technical progress. However, in Kazakhstan they think otherwise. Not only that great attention in this republic is paid to the study of English as the language of international communication, but also the Kazakh language was decided to be fully translated into Latin. Nazarbayev’s political ambitions can and will be met — will go down in the history of Kazakhstan as a “writing reformer,” but will the population of the country benefit? Most likely, not only Russians and Russian speakers (of whom there are many ethnic Kazakhs) will lose, but also the Kazakhs themselves.

It is clear that the transition to the Latin alphabet is another political gesture. It combines perfectly with the general policy of ousting the Russian language in Kazakhstan. Of course, there may be many defenders of Nazarbayev’s policy, who will argue that there is no problem of national relations in Kazakhstan, you can speak Russian fluently and no one Russian-speaking citizens persecute. In fact, the policy of de-Russification in Kazakhstan and in other former Soviet republics of Central Asia has been going on for a very long time. Another thing is that in Kazakhstan, due to the large number of Russian and Russian-speaking population, it is not as noticeable as in neighboring Uzbekistan or Turkmenistan.

But the nature of political regimes that exist in post-Soviet Central Asia is similar - they are based on nationalism, based on the opposition of the national tradition of Russian tradition and culture. Russian language, Cyrillic writing, Russian literature personify in the eyes of the Central Asian nationalists the political and cultural influence of Russia, which it is unpleasant for them to think about. National identity in the post-Soviet republics is built on the opposition of Russia, and officials can swear Moscow in eternal friendship and the warmest feelings for Russia and Russians, but in practice they heroize participants of anti-Russian uprisings and even collaborators of the Second World War, completely overturn the history of the republics of the times of the composition of the Soviet Union ignore the contribution that Russia and the Russian people made to the economic, cultural and social development of Central Asia. The struggle with the Cyrillic alphabet perfectly fits into the general scheme of the suppression of Russian culture. With this, Kazakhstan, following Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan, relieves itself from the need to preserve the memory that "the Russians invented writing to you."



The famous Kazakhstani public figure and politician Yermek Taychibekov, a recent political prisoner, widely known for his pro-Russian sympathies, believes that Nursultan Nazarbayev, who diligently squeezes the Russian language and Russian culture, is not so much the pro-American lobby the side of the public life of the country.

Nazarbayev’s goal is to build a mono-ethnic state that will be dominated by the principle of “one nation - one language”. All those who do not master the Kazakh language in due measure will remain “on the outskirts” of the public and political life of the country. Already, there is a huge disproportion between the total number of the Russian population in Kazakhstan and the number of Russians standing in high positions in various structures of the republic. Traditionally, there is a higher percentage of Russians and Russian speakers in business, science, and technical fields, while Kazakhs have long dominated power structures, education, culture, and the mass media.

Critics of the current Russian government are trying to explain Nazarbayev’s nationalistic aspirations with a fear of a Russian national revival in northern Kazakhstan along the lines of Donbass. However, they forget that the Kazakh nationalists became more active in the republic a long time ago. Those people who are at the turn of 1980-x - 1990-x. went to the nationalist rallies, already in 50-70 years, new generations of Kazakhs grew up, brought up in a post-Soviet school with the dominance of nationalist ideology. For them, Russia is a colonizing country that brought only evil to the Kazakh land (at least take constant speculations about the genocide of the Kazakhs in the 1930s, although at that time Russian and other Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union suffered even greater human losses).



Of course, Nazarbayev’s supporters may appeal to the fact that in Russia the languages ​​of numerous peoples of the Russian Federation are not state languages ​​at the national level. But Russian in Kazakhstan, firstly, is native to the majority of the population of the northern regions of the country, including ethnic Kazakhs, and, secondly, for more than a century served as the language of interethnic communication, in which both Russian and Kazakh could communicate with each other , and German, and Pole, and Uigur. The importance of knowledge of the Russian language is well understood by the Kazakhs themselves, who want their children to master the Russian language. The concept of the “trinity unity of languages,” introduced by Nazarbayev since 2007, has not yet taken root in practice, which is not surprising - it is difficult to imagine the equality of the English, Kazakh and Russian languages ​​in the field of everyday communication in Kazakhstan. In addition, the Kazakh language is not competitive in learning for those who are good or good at other world languages. It is more sensible for a Russian resident of Kazakhstan to learn English than Kazakh, as well as a Kazakh who grew up in a Russian-speaking family and environment, knowledge of English rather than Kazakh will give much more advantage. This is a fact and there is nothing offensive for native Kazakh speakers.

Not all languages ​​of the world are equally demanded. There is French, and there is Khmer, there is English, and there is Uigur, there is Spanish, and there is Tamil. Possession of the Kazakh language is necessary for the Kazakh in order to preserve their national identity, to respect the traditions of their ancestors and their origin, but for a foreign language person, knowledge of the Kazakh language is not necessary. Here Nigeria - the former British colony with the official language of English. There live hundreds of African nations. It is easy to imagine what kind of slaughter will start if every nation of the country wants its language to be recognized as the only state language of Nigeria. The same is true in the post-Soviet space. In a country where at least a third of the population is ethnically Russian and at least half is Russian-speaking, the total ousting of the Russian language means real discrimination.

The situation of Russians in Kazakhstan, of course, is much better than in other republics of Central Asia or the Baltic states, but it can hardly be called good, especially considering the specifics of the Kazakh mentality. In a society permeated by clan and tribal ties, the modern Russian-speaking population (which includes Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Kazakhs and Jews of Kazakhstan, and even partly Koreans) is unable to compete with representatives of the “title” nation. Moreover, the government tacitly supports the regime of maximum preferences based on nationality. Populated by Russian and Russian-speaking north of Kazakhstan, Nazarbayev’s entourage is most concerned about his political loyalty. Of course, ideally, Kazakh nationalists would prefer full emigration of the entire Russian and Russian-speaking population to Russia, but since Nazarbayev himself is well aware that this is not possible, the only optimal option is to “clear out” the social and political space of Kazakhstan from Russian influence.

Of course, some of the Russian Kazakhs will prefer to learn the Kazakh language in sufficient volume and will demonstrate maximum loyalty to the existing government. But another part of the Russian-speaking population will prefer to emigrate to Russia, or will be in a marginal position, being forced out into the realms of undervalued labor. The problem of de-Russification of Kazakhstan is much more complex and large-scale and is not limited only to questions of language and writing, and Russia, as a country claiming the role of a great power, political and economic locomotive of Eurasia, should keep all these processes under control and find its levers of influence and pressure on the post-Soviet states.
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  1. +22
    2 March 2018 06: 43
    What's next? In Europe, LGBT people are very welcomed - movement, legalization of soft drugs and loyalty to migrants ... Further, gender reassignment operations, Russophobia and NATO military bases on the territory ... belay
    1. +22
      2 March 2018 07: 25
      Well, YOU. It will not reach European horrors. There is China nearby.
      In Shinjiang, they are still nostalgic for the times when the highest * valor * was to rummage among neighbors for booty and slaves. The Kyrgyz have always been legitimate prey. Times are different, only the attitude towards them has remained the same. RUSSIA interrupted the raids, but the memory of * valor * robbery remained, especially today it is possible to rob not only nomads.
      It is a pity that in Kazakhstan-Kyrgyzstan they went along the path of China and Ukraine, in terms of creating their own history dating back to the era of the dinosaurs. I had to see a remake of petroglyphs from riders in telpecs on lizards, on the shores of Issyk-Kul. I also heard tales of the Kirghiz fighting off the hordes of Genghis Khan on the shores of Issyk-Kul. By the way, the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs were divided in the last century, when the inhabitants of KAZAKIA became Kazakhs.
      Here are just trying to forget about RUSSIAN settlers. Today even gardens are being destroyed, even gardens there, they are destroying the forests that were planted on the slopes of the mountains.
      1. +25
        2 March 2018 08: 54
        Very good!
        Nursultan Nazarbayev marked himself as NOT A FRIEND of Russians and Russia. Not an enemy yet, but no longer a friend. This is a CHALLENGE to the Russian World! We will remember this.
        And we will adjust relations with the Kazakhs.
        And the support of compatriots in Kazakhstan needs to be strengthened.
        1. +3
          2 March 2018 09: 58
          Quote: Victor N
          And the support of compatriots in Kazakhstan needs to be strengthened.
          How so?
          1. +18
            2 March 2018 11: 14
            It would be a desire. First of all, support for Russian culture:
            - Deliver selected periodicals to libraries for free;
            - subscription to these publications at low prices;
            - equipping Russian schools, free supply of textbooks;
            - establish a Russian community through which to organize free trips for children;
            - granting Russian citizenship or introducing a “Russian card”
            MUCH WHICH IS POSSIBLE - as far as possible.
            1. +11
              2 March 2018 11: 17
              Ahah. Yes, for everything that you have listed, even inside Russia there is no money. At least those in power say so. What other schools in Kazakhstan?!?!?! lol This is all from the category of fiction.
            2. +7
              2 March 2018 23: 43
              Victor N., almost everything you wrote is already there. I see from the flag that you have never been from the Donbass (success to you) and in the KZ.
              -There is Internet and all periodicals are there, like this site. Moscow Komsomolets, Komsomolsk Truth, Arguments of the Week and “Arguments and Facts” I buy myself every week in newspaper stalls.
              -Russian and Kazakh (as two state-owned languages) are legally taught in full, regardless of the language of instruction at school. The same number of hours, etc. .. Even in Tajiks., Uigur, Uzbek and UKRAINIAN schools - even such. There are two departments in universities: Russian and Kazakh. With 25% of the Slavic population in the KZ, about 50% of Russian secondary schools.
              - The "Russian community of Kazakhstan" in my city is located in the building of the "Small Arena" near the center. the stadium of Almaty. Read on the website of the Assembly of Peoples of Kazakhstan what kind of organization this is. We have over 100 nat. diasporas.
              - Citizenship is also in order (EAEU), but only 4 mil. Our Slavs especially do not want to leave.
              Imagine Victor that a Russian from the Russian Federation cannot write off a Russian from Poland. Sounds wild, really. But for Kazakhs this is a reality. I can not get in touch with a Kazakh from China or Turkey. There is Arabic, and in Turkey, Latin. Actually, there are 6 Turkic states in the world: three Latin (Turkey, Uzbek., Azerb. With a population of over 100 million) .; three other Cyrillic (KZ, KR, Turkmen. from 30 million). Apparently, the NAS (as a well-known integrator) wants to come to a common “denominator” in the Turkic world. This transition will continue until the end of this century. Nobody is going to burn books in Cyrillic at the stake. My son is 11 years old, I'm not talking about older children, study in Cyrillic. However, until the end of the century, Kazakh books in the Cyrillic alphabet will be in use. I am not a supporter of the transition at the moment, because it takes a lot of money. It is reported that 0-classes in Latin will begin training in 2020. We need textbooks and personnel, and imagine how long it takes printing and money for the whole world. liters (at least classics).
              In KZ, you can learn Korean and German, etc. .. So for Russian you have nothing to worry about - they study Cyrillic in all schools). Now, writers and scholars, for example, will be in demand of Russian so as not to seem illiterate. (I think so wink ). hi
              Hello to Donbass !!!
              1. +2
                3 March 2018 14: 23
                If you think that everything is safe - I wish you success!
                Do as you know. Outsiders have the right to an opinion, even if not everyone likes it.
                1. +3
                  3 March 2018 15: 52
                  Victor, of course you have such a right, but many authors do not know the reality and have not been to the KZ for a long time or have not been at all.
                  My friend rode last week in a cable car trailer from the Chimbulak ski base to Medeo. Together with him in it were separately a married couple and a grandmother with a granddaughter. They talked among themselves (a friend was a witness) - it turned out that both families were from Kiev (they began to question each other from which areas of the city and discuss the situation in Kiev). Sit back from this "chaos" in Ukraine. A Kazakh friend just managed to ask how they are here. They gratefully talk about the residents of Alma-Ata and KZ. They did not expect everyone to speak Russian. Ukrainians sit in the south of KZ in Central Asia and sometimes meet like this by accident. In the Kazakh SSR, we had them up to half a million. Among them, only, as a friend understood, grandmother lived here.
                  I play futsal, yesterday only Nikita is so right. foot rehtanul that I do not know when the next. once I go - we play 3 times a week. Among us is Nikolai. He works for several years in rehabilitation, honey. in the center, so he is from Voronezh (he was born and lived there, his mother and family stayed there). "Everything suits, sometimes I go home."
                  It's up to you to believe or not, but I’m not even 20 years old and I don’t see the point of embellishing or lying. hi
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2018 21: 51
                    Previously, you had the Kazakhstan flag here, but now the flag of a non-existent state, and this already says a lot. But, nevertheless, success to you, can appreciate the Cyrillic alphabet in the future.
                  2. 0
                    4 March 2018 09: 16
                    Dear Kasym!
                    Undoubtedly, you are a patriot and a decent person, I wish you and your country success.
                    My personal impressions of Kazakhstan are old and fleeting: a very disordered country. Apparently I'm wrong.
                    A childhood friend served in Semipalatinsk, stayed alive, but was forced to return to his parents ’hut with his family, leaving his apartment and belongings. I didn’t want to tell. Yes, and it seems to me a discussion is an empty lesson, because such facts are not isolated. Alas!
                  3. 0
                    7 March 2018 19: 41
                    Quote: Kasym
                    It's up to you to believe or not, but I’m not 20 years old and I don’t see the point of embellishing or lying


                    So maybe you will explain why the people from Kazakhstan after the collapse of the USSR at an accelerated pace are leaving not only to Russia, but also to foreign countries? Apparently there are good reasons for this, or in your opinion is all this not true?
                    Please do not consider these issues as attacks on you.
                    1. +1
                      8 March 2018 17: 08
                      At the time of the collapse, there was a little over 16mln. in KazSSR - now 18 million .. More coming.
                      Our standard of living is lower than in the Russian Federation, etc. .. In the Kazakh SSR there were about 1 million Germans - where is the standard of living higher in Germany or KZ !? On the other hand, "... they are putting unprecedented pressure on our allies ..." - GDP. What do you think about what this Russian leader is talking about? hi
                      1. +1
                        8 March 2018 17: 15
                        Quote: Kasym
                        At the time of the collapse, there was a little over 16mln. in KazSSR - now 18 million .. More coming.


                        Semi-wild and illiterate immigrants from China come from whom they are only problematic, and a lot of highly qualified specialists leave and, apparently, you still have not understood this.

                        There were about 1 million Germans in the Kazakh SSR - where is the standard of living higher in Germany or KZ !?


                        To be more precise, it’s about 950 thousand. But the matter is not only in the standard of living, but also in the wild mess that arose even in the previously most prosperous regions of the Republic of Kazakhstan when it is not only impossible to work normally, but just to live.
          2. +2
            3 March 2018 18: 30
            I was born and raised in Kazakhstan. In 17 years after leaving school I left for Russia, in Primorye. After 10 years, relatives wrote that I would not even try to go back. To date, only the mother’s brother and family left to live from the whole family in Kazakhstan ( he, his wife, and daughter with husband and children) his son, my cousin, five years ago received Russian citizenship. And we lived in northern Kazakhstan. Do you think we are the only ones?
            1. +1
              4 March 2018 19: 57
              A new capital has already been built. And it makes no sense to compare Alma-Ata with S.K. even in terms of economy and standard of living - like Moscow or some other city of the Russian Federation. In the KZ 4 cities are on the rise, of which "megacities" are created according to the plan of the NAS.
              I write that here is far from paradise. But the int. relationships are better developed than for example yours. hi
              1. +1
                8 March 2018 16: 48
                Quote: Kasym
                I write that here is far from paradise. But the int. relationships are better developed than for example yours.


                For some reason, only the Russian-speaking population leaves and leaves Kazakhstan for. Mostly to Russia. Why did it happen? And they go not only to Russia. Apparently, all this is connected precisely with the fact that in Kazakhstan, interethnic relations are better developed?
                1. +1
                  8 March 2018 17: 10
                  The standard of living is higher than ours. More perspectives. hi
                  1. +1
                    8 March 2018 23: 23
                    Quote: Kasym
                    The standard of living is higher than ours. More perspectives. hi


                    If you count per capita, then Kazakhstan in terms of oil and other minerals, which are not measured on its territory, Kazakhstan is significantly ahead of Russia. And the industry after the collapse of the USSR in Kazakhstan was not so much underdeveloped. And this despite the fact that Kazakhstan does not have to develop remote areas of the far north and the Far East. From which it follows that a lot depends on the people living in a particular country. And if Kazakhstan accepts a few million more oralmans or in the outback the growth of the illiterate population will be significant, Kazakhstan will not get real benefits from this and will continue for a long time.
                    1. +1
                      9 March 2018 15: 50
                      In the USSR, 26 ml was mined. tons of oil, now under 80 mln ..
                      In KZ 19 thousand km. MHT (masters. Gas. Pipe) - one third of them were built in the last 5 years. 2500km new railway and 2000 new autobahns republic. values. And was it all better mastered in us?
                      All large factories almost got up due to non-payments and the breakdown of technological chains after the collapse of the USSR.
                      1. 0
                        9 March 2018 18: 27
                        Quote: Kasym
                        In the USSR, 26 ml was mined. tons of oil, now under 80 mln ..

                        to put it mildly, it is not entirely correct and under the Union they could but did not make sense, complexity, quality, etc. By the way, most deposits are the development of Soviet geologists
                        Quote: Kasym
                        All large factories almost got up due to non-payments and the breakdown of technological chains after the collapse of the USSR.

                        and this is a lie they got up for other reasons, they sold the machine park for a penny
                      2. +1
                        9 March 2018 18: 53
                        And was it all better mastered in us?


                        Do not forget that most of the territory of Kazakhstan is still located south of the territory of Russia, and Russia has more and more to develop the Arctic, which is much more difficult ..

                        All large factories almost got up due to non-payments and the breakdown of technological chains after the collapse of the USSR.


                        The same thing happened in Russia. Only in an even larger volume. Plus, Russia paid off the debts of the former USSR.
                      3. +1
                        11 March 2018 18: 12
                        Quote: Kasym
                        In the USSR, 26 ml was mined. tons of oil, now under 80 mln ..
                        In KZ 19 thousand km. MHT (masters. Gas. Pipe) - one third of them were built in the last 5 years. 2500km new railway and 2000 new autobahns republic. values. And was it all better mastered in us?


                        Under the USSR, foreign companies did not work in the USSR at all with their technologies. In the best case, the USSR could buy something from the equipment abroad. And in Kazakhstan, now, without foreign, not only large Russian companies, little is done at all in the production of the same oil.
            2. +1
              8 March 2018 16: 46
              Quote: Vladivostok1969
              I was born and raised in Kazakhstan. In 17 years after leaving school I left for Russia, in Primorye. After 10 years, relatives wrote that I would not even try to go back. To date, only the mother’s brother and family left to live from the whole family in Kazakhstan ( he, his wife, and daughter with husband and children) his son, my cousin, five years ago received Russian citizenship. And we lived in northern Kazakhstan. Do you think we are the only ones?


              I have the same song. Only I lived 31 in East Kazakhstan, but even in the second half of the 1900-s it became more and more uncomfortable for us to live as a result of which I had to leave for permanent residence in Germany.
              1. +2
                8 March 2018 16: 54
                Good luck. It’s only a pity that we are not together. As a child, we were all the same Kazakh or German, or maybe Russian hi
                1. 0
                  8 March 2018 16: 59
                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  Good luck. It’s only a pity that we are not together. As a child, we were all the same Kazakh or German, or maybe Russian hi


                  It is what it is. In 60 and before the beginning of the 80, we had various kinds of international conflicts like fights in which people participated in 50 and more on each side. This did not happen often. There were mostly minor skirmishes. Then it became much calmer until the southerners reached us. Then the people began to leave for Russia and Germany.
                  1. 0
                    8 March 2018 17: 06
                    We had only inter-quarterly skirmishes as a child. But this is hooliganism. Without subtext. But this is the mid-80s. I am 69. And I left in 1987.
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                    1. 0
                      9 March 2018 09: 32
                      Quote: Zerek
                      Well, at least someone who was not hypocritical admitted that all this was.

                      and who was the initiator of the conflict?
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                      3. 0
                        11 March 2018 18: 14
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: Zerek
                        Well, at least someone who was not hypocritical admitted that all this was.

                        and who was the initiator of the conflict?


                        Both sides.
                    2. 0
                      11 March 2018 18: 09
                      Quote: Zerek
                      Well, what southerners are in East Kazakhstan oblast? Surround yourself.


                      It’s you who wondered — since the beginning of the 1990’s, southerners have grown up and climbed into the East Kazakhstan region with their orders for cleaner locusts.
                    3. 0
                      11 March 2018 18: 18
                      Quote: Zerek
                      Well, what southerners are in East Kazakhstan oblast? Surround yourself.


                      It’s you who are better off. Since the beginning of the 90's, southerners have just climbed into the East Kazakhstan region like locusts and, by “strange” coincidence, after this the great migration of the Russian-speaking population to the north to Rossib or to foreign countries began.
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          3. 0
            4 March 2018 09: 33
            Quote: Greenwood
            Quote: Victor N
            And the support of compatriots in Kazakhstan needs to be strengthened.
            How so?

            1. Change power in Kazakhstan.
            2. Reunite the Russian lands.
            If this is not done, and nobody is going to do it, since none of the great ones needs this in Russia, then China will soon be there. And if he is there, then ... look at the map and everything will immediately become clear. Ordinary Kazakhs are much more profitable to live in Russia than to assimilate (at best) in China.
            1. 0
              4 March 2018 13: 46
              Will you change and reunite, comrade? With a buter and a beer on the couch?
        2. +3
          2 March 2018 11: 03
          There are no friends in politics
          There are national interests.
          Or under the guise of these, some are trying to maintain their power and their clan.
          But. there is nothing permanent in this world - everything flows and everything changes .. The borders of states change ... their leaders ...
          Leaders grow old and leave ..
        3. 0
          2 March 2018 13: 08
          ... yeah, like in Ukraine ...
        4. +2
          2 March 2018 17: 12
          Quote: Victor N
          Nursultan Nazarbayev marked himself as NOT A FRIEND of Russians and Russia.

          hi
          Here the other day the daughter of the old senile spoke with explanations of "what's what." It is known that all the latest decisions and initiatives in the country were made behind the scenes by the Nazarbayev family, chaired by Dariga.
          1. +8
            2 March 2018 17: 59
            The usual lesson of the Russian language, the teacher explains to children the rule "Zhi-Shi write with the letter and", all would be fine, but her name is Shyntasova Shynar Shyngysovna from the city of Shymkent, Zhylybay district.
            ps
            If Kazakh names and surnames may violate the rules of the Russian language, then the Mongolian also censorship.
            Thought: So this is what they intended to switch to the Latin alphabet. They are tired of the ji-shi rule!
            1. +3
              2 March 2018 23: 47
              Oooh, the main chauvinist, the Kazakh hater, saw his favorite topic.

              Russian zoldaten
              und unter ofiziren
              Kazahov nelubim
              oni nas obijali.
              1. 0
                6 March 2018 09: 24
                Quote: brr1
                Oooh the main chauvinist

                can you define chauvinism or just use this term for beauty ?!
                1. +1
                  7 March 2018 00: 54
                  Sure I can. I have two upper formations. For a long time we had a discussion with this disgusting type on the superiority of the Aryans (Rus) to children of the steppes. And you just do not know about our conversation. Like in a joke: My wife tells her husband - I don’t understand what you can do every day in the beer bar, he replies: so you don’t talk about things in which you don’t understand anything.
                  1. +1
                    7 March 2018 11: 59
                    Quote: brr1
                    Sure I can. I have two upper formations

                    well, let me know, you got tired of me, as soon as a Russian criticizes someone, he immediately becomes a chauvinist
                    By the way, do not forget to give an example of "Muscovite" chauvinism
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          1. +1
            6 March 2018 09: 24
            would you go to the doctor
      2. +14
        2 March 2018 10: 01
        Not enough again to discuss this? Then catch- Nazarbayev ordered the state events to be held only in the Kazakh language by another decree! Which is right! But shouldn't he? You have made a weak attempt in Tatarstan to expand the use of Tatar. What a wave has risen! The authors of the idea were almost blamed for high treason! And here the sovereign state uses sovereign right and expands the use of the STATE language. Well done!
        1. +12
          2 March 2018 11: 50
          All this is empty: the creation of a mono-national state is futile. And not only for Kazakhstan. However, those who wish may waste their strength and resources. Rallying people can only be a powerful culture. And if it is not in fact, but there are only insignificant signs and elements ......... The official proclamation does not matter - only reality: the mass of accumulated masterpieces and other smaller creations.
          More promising (for many) is the recognition of a more powerful culture and the assertion of its national elements in it (as in Russia). Nazarbayev sent the whole of Kazakhstan into a trap - they won’t succeed, a waste of energy. Form of suicide.
          1. +2
            3 March 2018 01: 23
            as in Russia???? But can you elaborate on a powerful Russian culture ??? at the moment i mean
            1. +1
              3 March 2018 15: 26
              Quote: aws4
              as in Russia???? But can you elaborate on a powerful Russian culture ??? at the moment i mean

              The foundation of any culture is language. And Russian is an order of magnitude better and more perfect than Kazakh. Russian is one of the most developed in the world, and Kazakh is somewhere at the end of the list. If the Kazakhs begin to think not in Russian, but in Kazakh - this will lead to a real stupidity of the Kazakh nation.
              1. +1
                3 March 2018 17: 53
                but what about the national culture. morality and identity of the Russian people ??? here, in my opinion, we are at the end of the list
                1. +2
                  3 March 2018 18: 09
                  Quote: aws4
                  but what about the national culture. morality and identity of the Russian people ??? here, in my opinion, we are at the end of the list

                  Why on earth? Do you think that Americans or Europeans are more moral than Russians?
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2018 22: 53
                    I think not, but their culture is modern degenerative-artificial and not national, has a much greater impact on the world than ours, and nationally dying and modern taken together .. plus, let's not forget about what effect perception on people has on their standard of living and technology. .. really Russia can not oppose the West ... the only way is to save the national culture and customs of the state forming the nation (Russians), plus to this urgently take up education and science .. believe me, without these steps, external enemies are unnecessary Russia will destroy itself from the inside. ..
                    1. 0
                      12 March 2018 14: 33
                      And do not dream: Russia was, is and will continue to develop!
                      Assessment of living standards is a controversial matter. Few Europeans own housing and a summer house and a car. It’s less customary to eat in catering than in Europe, but this is a matter of taste and tradition. It is nice to cook delicious fresh food together and bite together. What benefits are inaccessible to Russians?
                      1. 0
                        12 March 2018 20: 27
                        Well, if you think that at the moment Russia is developing, then I am sorry for you ...
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        2. +14
          2 March 2018 12: 26
          Quote: sefevi
          Then catch- Nazarbayev ordered the state to hold state events only in Kazakh! Which is right!

          I heard the slogan was like that. "Russians - take your factories, leave us our sheep." I propose to oblige a bunch of doctors, scientists, engineers to communicate only in Kazakh. This is where Kazakhstan will heal. Will become Asian Switzerland laughing
          1. +8
            2 March 2018 12: 56
            Quote: Winnie76
            This is where Kazakhstan will heal. Will become Asian Switzerland laughing

            I remembered the film "Borat" and the closing credits of the film "Cultural knowledge of Borat in America in favor of the glory of the magnificent Kazakhstan nation." This is the attitude of those whom Nursultan Abishevich is equal to to the Kazakhs. Whatever “advanced” alphabet Kazakhs introduce, for “supermen” they will remain “Kazakhstan - the main producer of manure in the world” (c)
            1. +3
              3 March 2018 18: 05
              And you think why the Kazakhs there are depicted as Caucasians - residents of Eastern Europe)))
          2. +1
            3 March 2018 18: 43
            It is unfortunate that we did not take our factories with us. In the city of Petropavlovsk, Republic of Kazakhstan. 6 large factories were located. 70% of which worked for the USSR military-industrial complex. Factories were built during the Great Patriotic War. Now only 2 plants are operating. workers by 85-90%.
            Although in Vladivostok the situation with the plants is even worse.
            1. +3
              3 March 2018 19: 01
              Well then, in vain they covered you from the Germans near Moscow. And they also fed and shod millions of serfs and civilians who fell into the Kazakh steppe. And about tens of millions of tons of Kazakh lead, molybdenum, tungsten, steel and copper, in general I am silent.
              Stop taking on a lot. In response to much, they can also produce. wink
              1. 0
                3 March 2018 19: 21
                Did you live, or live in Kazakhstan? Are you familiar with the resettlement program (oralmans).
                1. +1
                  3 March 2018 19: 28
                  Naturally. And where does it come from?
                  1. 0
                    3 March 2018 19: 32
                    Then explain the essence of the program.
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                    2. +1
                      3 March 2018 19: 42
                      And by the way, do not forget that industrial industrialization occurred only during the years of Soviet power. With the extremely significant contribution of the West.
                      1. +2
                        3 March 2018 22: 46
                        Quote: romb
                        With the extremely significant contribution of the West.

                        what contribution ?!
                        for this, as you put it, the contribution paid and paid a very small price
                    3. +2
                      3 March 2018 19: 44
                      Normal repatriation. What is not clear here. The return of people to the historical lands of their ancestors. Most of them left them, just because of the authorities' inability to build a society of social justice. At the same time, Kazakhs lost half of their population. I know at least a dozen people who lost almost their entire family during the years of forced collectivization.
                      1. +1
                        3 March 2018 20: 50
                        Quote: romb
                        Most of them left them, just because of the authorities' inability to build a society of social justice.

                        for the most part, they left them according to a nomadic tradition, tobish homeland where the sheep graze
              2. 0
                3 March 2018 20: 49
                Quote: romb
                millions of serfs

                follow the bazaar
                1. +1
                  3 March 2018 21: 09
                  And what really does not like?
                  You live in your fantasy world. And the real truth is clearly unpleasant. So: selyavy. wink
                  1. 0
                    3 March 2018 21: 15
                    Quote: romb
                    And what really does not like?

                    Interesting "truth"!
                    Quote: romb
                    Well then, in vain they covered you from the Germans near Moscow.

                    Near Moscow, “us” were covered by Siberian rather than Kazakh divisions. Correct me if I was wrong!
                    1. +1
                      4 March 2018 13: 29
                      Siberian and Kazakh divisions covered Moscow. 316 Panfilov's rifle division was formed in Alma-Ata. But with the rest romb "jerks." For me, this is obvious.
                      1. +2
                        4 March 2018 13: 37
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        and Kazakh

                        KAZAKHSTAN, not only Kazakhs were there
                  2. +1
                    3 March 2018 22: 45
                    Quote: romb
                    And what really does not like?

                    what is the truth is that you insulted people who came to Kazakhstan to build, treat, teach, etc.? !!
                    1. +3
                      4 March 2018 08: 52
                      Seriously? Of course, the weak-willed, illiterate and landless serfs and free peasants that were driven into the Kazakh steppes by hundreds of thousands to colonize these lands were great builders (just like sea diggers). laughing The reality is that the vast majority of them could not feed themselves. Numerous hunger riots are an example. And there was no question of mass education of Kazakhs. Which of the serfs could be teachers, when they themselves could not even count up to two. Of course, and from all this group, there were exceptions. But there were few of them, catastrophically few. And in general, as the Kazakhs said, they (immigrants) came to the steppe hungry, stripped in rags and shod in bark (in bast shoes).
                      Almost everything that appeared in Kazakhstan during the period of the Republic of Ingushetia had the character of fixing the colonialist in new territories: various discrimination of the indigenous population, land acquisition and eviction, numerous construction of military fortresses and stanitsas with a paramilitary population. Even railway, which in other countries acted as a locomotive of industrialization, almost in no way positively affected the development of this region, because primarily was an object of military infrastructure.
                      I have a completely different attitude to the period of the USSR. Yes, of course, it was quite controversial, but nevertheless, it was really a Great State, and not some mythologized by a separate group of fapping fallen backward, eternally hungry sharazhka under the proud nickname of the Russian Empire.
                      1. 0
                        4 March 2018 13: 04
                        Quote: romb
                        Seriously? Of course, the weak-willed, illiterate and landless serfs and free peasants that hundreds of thousands drove into the Kazakh steppes

                        not millions anymore?
                        you wrote about millions, and this is the Soviet period
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          1. +5
            2 March 2018 13: 19
            You would, "Russian governess," first learn to write correctly in your native language, or what ...
            Quote: purple
            it is not interesting to anyone
          2. 0
            3 March 2018 01: 25
            how so ??? By the way, I’m going to hit you now
        4. +16
          2 March 2018 13: 07
          Well done, well done. And to Kazakhs, and to you and others - the author is right, the transition to the Latin alphabet is like Kuchmavsky’s type “Ukraine is not Russia”, it mentally sits with everyone. This is the first, do not say it aloud. And then blah blah blah. That's what I’d like to say, but forward and with the song, without the Russian market, without its support. Long enough? I recall the book of Pikul "Favorite". When the young Princess Sophia of Anhalt-Zerbskaya, in the German Principality, began to feel the power and influence of Russia on her own stomach. You will mind, such as we, but we have oil, and we have gas. Yes, we close the markets for your goods. And you will spend all your income from oil and gas on your people who will stop making good money in Russia. It’s like in the old proverb: "Do not spit in the well, you still have to drink from it." Now play your Russophobian speeches.
        5. +8
          2 March 2018 13: 57
          Quote: sefevi
          Nazarbayev by another decree ordered state events to be held only in the Kazakh language! Which is right! But shouldn't he?

          Of course not.
          Quote: sefevi
          And here a sovereign state enjoys sovereign right and expands the use of the state language

          Artificially molded by the Bolsheviks, including from the Russian lands, the state.
          The Russians, respectively, have the right to carry out ANY events in OWN language!
          1. +2
            2 March 2018 23: 02
            Quote: Olgovich
            Artificially molded by the Bolsheviks, including from the Russian lands, the state.

            Kazakhstan is fully isolated territorially from the RSFSR, no "including".
            Another crime of the Communists, down with Grudinin.
        6. +2
          2 March 2018 22: 59
          Quote: sefevi
          And here the sovereign state uses sovereign right and expands the use of the STATE language. Well done!

          Kazakhstan is next in line after Ukraine.
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            1. +4
              2 March 2018 23: 50
              Quote: Siban
              Armanjyan, "the man said - the man did." Maybe tomorrow you’ll start to correct this terrible "crime of the Communists"

              How many such bravura statements about Ukraine were, they say Ukraine is not Libya and Somalia, and such as happened in Iraq, Syria, Yugoslavia - it simply cannot be in Ukraine, it turned out - it CAN.
              1. dSK
                +4
                3 March 2018 00: 27
                Quote: Setrac
                turned out
                Semipalatinsk, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar - were laid by Cossacks under Peter I, Uralsk and Guryev even earlier.
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                1. 0
                  3 March 2018 15: 21
                  Quote: Siban
                  and Kazakhstan ... another communist crime. Accordingly, Armenchik, so when do we wait for you with a cap to visit? And then you promise everything from the age of 14 - you’ve already been waiting ("vodka gets cold")

                  Well, you have to be so dense, the one there google who staged a coup d'etat to Ukraine. Kazakhstan should not be afraid of me, but the most democratic country in the world. The bearers of democracy crave you ...
                  Quote: Siban
                  By the way, Armyanjyan, MAY go go free the "Great Mountain" (Masis) ?!

                  Hu from the "great mountain" and from whom should it be freed? And is it necessary?
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                    1. +1
                      3 March 2018 18: 37
                      Quote: Siban
                      Are you of great opinion about yourself ?!

                      You are of high opinion about me. tongue
                      Quote: Siban
                      Setrakyan does not know Ararat

                      I thought it was a football club?
                      Quote: Siban
                      The "limited contingent" was bombed, and the Anglo-American mercenaries "L" are to blame - the logic ..

                      The US launched a civil war in Afghanistan, the United States sent terrorists, and the "limited contingent" is to blame? "O" - lack of logic.
                      Quote: Siban
                      And English is an order of magnitude better and more perfect than Russian

                      That's a moot point. English is definitely in the lead, but its primacy over the Russian language is unlikely, rather nostril to nostril.
                      Quote: Siban
                      As if most of the Kazakhs think in the Kazakh language ..

                      These are their problems.
                      Quote: Siban
                      Setrakjyan are you there all your free time "Mein Kampf" study ?!

                      That is, if I say that 140 million more than 17 million - then I am a malicious follower of Hitler?
                      Quote: Siban
                      In your opinion, the Soviet-Chinese volunteers were to blame for the deaths of millions of Vietnamese ?!

                      Oh my God!!! What are the Chinese volunteers in Vietnam? Maybe in Korea?
        7. +1
          3 March 2018 01: 21
          somehow we have not found a common language here in other topics, but here I fully support you .. a sovereign state has every right to ..
        8. 0
          3 March 2018 20: 51
          Quote: sefevi
          Then catch- Nazarbayev ordered the state to hold state events only in Kazakh! Which is right!

          in fact, these are violations of the law on languages
        9. +5
          3 March 2018 21: 48
          Soon, there will be no Kazakhs, no Azevs, no Jews, no Georgians, no Ukrainians, no Uzbeks, no Kyrgyz.
          And the Russians will tell the Russians what ungrateful neighbors are around.
          What are the slow balts, fascists, Ukrainians, h ... and Asians, h..i in the North Caucasus, well..y in the promised country, traders of az-ts, t ... s Georgians.
          The only salvation of them all is the Russian world, otherwise stupid Americans and LGBT Europeans will enslave them.
          Sick people what can I say, I will not generalize but the vast majority.
          Long live the Russian world and Mikhan’s sofa.
          1. +1
            3 March 2018 22: 49
            Quote: Lek38
            I will not generalize but the absolute majority.

            you consider yourself healthy, though far from always right, but this is a trifle, the main thing is to pinch the Russian
        10. +2
          3 March 2018 22: 12
          Where does the Latin font expand the use of the state language? Who here speaks out against the use of the Kazakh language?
        11. 0
          13 March 2018 13: 55
          Quote: sefevi
          Nazarbayev by another decree ordered state events to be held only in the Kazakh language!

          it's actually a violation of the law
      3. +5
        2 March 2018 11: 41
        ... the transition to the Latin alphabet is another political gesture

        Strange, but why does the author not mention the Turkish factor with the idea of ​​the Great Turan? Which is quite logical and appropriate for the Turkic-speaking peoples.
        The Turkish alphabet in Latin with minor features.
        And what next is the Kazakhs? Unification of legislation with the Ottomans?
        The irritant for Russia is excellent, of course, will be.
        Nazarbayev’s goal is to build a mono-ethnic state in which the principle “one nation - one language” will prevail

        Well, that’s how you can lose all of Northern Kazakhstan in the future.
        1. +2
          2 March 2018 16: 08
          Quote: Pax tecum
          Well, that’s how you can lose all of Northern Kazakhstan in the future.

          The goal of the Fed owners is completely different - to turn the whole of Kazakhstan into a “gray zone” for a final solution of the Russian issue. But the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, of course, does not counteract this.
      4. +3
        2 March 2018 15: 27
        Quote: Vasily50
        I had to see a remake of petroglyphs from riders in telpecs on lizards, on the shores of Issyk-Kul. I also heard tales of the Kirghiz fighting off the hordes of Genghis Khan on the shores of Issyk-Kul. By the way, the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs were divided in the last century, when the inhabitants of KAZAKIA became Kazakhs.
        Here are just trying to forget about RUSSIAN settlers. Today even gardens are being destroyed, even gardens there, they are destroying the forests that were planted on the slopes of the mountains.

        Sad ...
    2. +10
      2 March 2018 09: 01
      Kazakhstan, in search of its own written language, did not come up with ancestral ancestors. Children for fathers are not responsible! It is time to move into civilization from the tribal structure of society. And the flag in their hands! They are far from singular in this. However, I’ll go for half a liter of “Kazakh woman”. Thanks to Nazarbayev from Russian pensioners and the poor (tens of millions of them) for affordable cigarettes and vodka!
      1. +1
        2 March 2018 11: 07
        and mine got stuck at customs, so I don’t know. will it reach ...
        1. 0
          2 March 2018 19: 51
          In our country, customs has been abolished in the Customs Union between its members. Is it just how the retail chains bought the guys in uniform? Or local authority. There can be no other. Do not be afraid to apply to your court with a statement about excess of official position and everything will be settled before the decision is made. Proven in practice.
      2. +4
        2 March 2018 12: 58
        Quote: siberalt
        And the flag in their hands!

        1. +2
          3 March 2018 18: 08
          There he looks like an average Slav.)))
      3. 0
        2 March 2018 19: 44
        . Thanks to Nazarbayev from Russian pensioners and the poor (tens of millions of them) for affordable cigarettes and vodka!


        In...!!! Here is a recipe for Kazakhs to learn Russian - the seller always learns the language of the buyer, and not vice versa. You do not have to display hieroglyphs on Aliexpress, and Bill Gates translated Windu into Russian for you. Buy everything from gas to labor from the Kazakhs, and they will learn “Zhi-shi” themselves laughing
      4. 0
        2 March 2018 19: 49
        Quote: siberalt
        However, I’ll go for half a liter of “Kazakh woman”. Thanks to Nazarbayev from Russian pensioners and the poor (tens of millions of them) for affordable cigarettes and vodka!

        How much is this pleasure for fun? feel
    3. +9
      2 March 2018 10: 17
      Quote: Esoteric
      What's next? In Europe, LGBT people are very welcomed - movement, legalization of soft drugs and loyalty to migrants ... Further, gender reassignment operations, Russophobia and NATO military bases on the territory ... belay

      And still, everyone needs to undergo plastic surgery to change the section of the eyes. Well, like the Europeans
      1. +1
        2 March 2018 18: 08
        It’s worthless ... Their complex is not full-fledged ... It is essentially the negroes of Central Asia ...
    4. +2
      2 March 2018 21: 31
      and further, distancing from scientific developments, approaching scientific developments: “English scientists have proved”, sliding into feudalism! smile
  2. +5
    2 March 2018 06: 46
    Europe is far away, only lingering love with America, no one will be bored.
  3. +11
    2 March 2018 06: 54
    Americans gave grandmas, it is necessary to work out. There wasn’t much noise, meaning there was personal money of Nazarbayev or people associated with them.
  4. +15
    2 March 2018 07: 11
    Nazarbayev’s goal is to build mono-ethnic statein which the principle "one nation - one language" will prevail
    But the example of Ukraine does not teach anything? I am interested in the response to this of our leadership. Something is complete silence. As you can understand, Nazarbayev is untouchable in interstate relations. It remains to wait for the moment when the Russians will be forcibly driven out of Kazakhstan.
    1. +18
      2 March 2018 07: 40
      It remains to wait for the moment when the Russians will be forcibly driven out of Kazakhstan.

      and there will be no reaction from Russia, there has never been and will not be. Basically, those Russians who might have left already, those who remained with them or nowhere or nothing to go on.
    2. +16
      2 March 2018 11: 53
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But the example of Ukraine does not teach anything? I am interested in the response to this of our leadership. Something is complete silence. As you can understand, Nazarbayev is untouchable in interstate relations.

      Alas! Again, "partners and brothers", where not to spit. Everything is just beginning, and will continue tsunami-like after the "departure" of this buy from the post. He is already 78 years old, has ruled for almost 30 years. One of the richest people on the planet, the fortune is estimated at 100 billion dollars, not counting the shares in oil production and real estate.
      The territory of 2725000 square meters. km, and the population of the order of 18 million people. Currently, 493 deposits are known containing 1225 types of mineral raw materials. Kazakhstan takes the first place in the world in explored reserves of zinc, tungsten and barite, the second - silver, lead and chromite, the third - copper and fluorite, the fourth - molybdenum, the fifth - gold. Oil - 3.2% of world reserves, gas - 1,7% of world reserves.
      A tidbit, isn't it? Mattresses have been aiming for a long time and I think they won’t miss out. Nazarbayev has long been with them under the "cap."
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It remains to wait for the moment when the Russians will be forcibly driven out of Kazakhstan.

      Who could have left. The family of my friends moved from Pavlodar to OMSK. Satisfied and happy.
      The rest or nowhere or live out, or not at all.
      There are practically no borders with the Republic of Kazakhstan, so soon we will catch our ground! (IMHO) hi
      1. +1
        2 March 2018 20: 38
        The Americans, of course, will be happy to try to take Kazakhstan under their influence, but here it is. near by, China. It is unlikely that Uncle Xi will allow them to become so impudent. Moreover, the Chinese have territorial claims against the Kazakhs. It is easier for us to unite with China and cut Kazakhstan into parts, the north and Baikonur to us, let them take the rest.
        1. +4
          2 March 2018 21: 57
          Quote: albert
          It’s easier for us to unite with China and cut Kazakhstan into parts, the north and Baikonur to us, let them take the rest.

          18 million people per gigantic territory, this is a little more than the population of our capital. Buy cunning and he foresees it. I cut it still ahead, the main thing is not to miss it. hi
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            1. +4
              2 March 2018 23: 20
              Quote: Siban
              Cap, because of such statements, including Nazarbayev, he goes to the Latin alphabet .. And "VO" in the Republic of Kazakhstan was banned ..

              hi . Nazarbayev has little left. Age, alas! He has already taken his own, like his "family", jus, as you please. He has already crossed the line even in a showdown in his family. Let me remind you that Nazarbayev’s son-in-law was forced to immigrate to Europe with his family, and began giving info about the assets of the buy-in to European banks, and then he suddenly “committed suicide” in an Austrian prison. laughing
              Its assets, according to various estimates, about $ 100 billion, except for shares in the business, are naturally not located in Kazakhstan. He has long been on the "chain" of mattresses. This explains all of his "tricks", including with the Latin alphabet.
              Cut, I repeat, still ahead, the main applicants: Russia, China and the States. (IMHO)
              Quote: Siban
              If the Russians calmly, without tantrums defended their rights ..

              Listen, colleague, I have several friends who previously lived in the Republic of Kazakhstan moved to Russia in 2017. Believe me, I more than you know what is happening in Kazakhstan, in the field of interethnic relations. hi
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                1. +4
                  2 March 2018 23: 50
                  Quote: Siban
                  On the contrary - age, Hooray! And you have problems - "Ah, Putin is so young .."

                  Nazarbayev 78, Putin 65.
                  Quote: Siban
                  "To the dog, to the dog .." Behaved like a scumbag .. finished like ..

                  And who else is Ablyazov's scumbag? Or maybe someone who dared to speak out against BAY !!!
                  Quote: Siban
                  Cap, so grab the Armenian Setraka with you and come straight tomorrow- "Cut Kazakhstan", otherwise you won’t be late .. China and the USA will take over

                  There they will "cut" without me, and nobody will ask you either. While you are thrilling.
                  Quote: Siban
                  Well, yes, you will explain to the impassable Kazakh.

                  I explain to the native Jews, but why are you better? And why are you shy of your flag, the native Kazakh? hi
        2. 0
          3 March 2018 23: 35
          this will end.
      2. +2
        3 March 2018 08: 56
        Most of the deposits you write about were discovered during the Soviet era. In addition, we are talking about Ust-Kamenogorsk and the adjacent territories, which, in the strict sense, were not mastered by the Kazakhs. True, the situation has changed since 1989: if this year there were more than 50% of Russians, then in 2010 there were 40% of them, and the share of Kazakhs increased from 39 to 54%. Since 2004, akims (heads) of the city are exclusively Kazakhs. This is to say that I was boldly fucked up as Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Germans were forced out of Kazakhstan.
    3. +4
      2 March 2018 13: 22
      Quote: rotmistr60
      I am interested in the response to this of our leadership. Something is complete silence.

      The management is developing a new KhPP. Now with regard to Kazakhstan. Now I’ll get the courage, soooo! .... will express a “serious concern”!
    4. 0
      2 March 2018 19: 47
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But the example of Ukraine does not teach anything? I am interested in the response to this of our leadership. Something is complete silence. As you can understand, Nazarbayev is untouchable in interstate relations. It remains to wait for the moment when the Russians will be forcibly driven out of Kazakhstan.

      ours need to leave from there. Kazakhs are actually normal people, but the Americans will not calm down until they rebalance everyone along the perimeter of the borders
      1. 0
        2 March 2018 20: 41
        Quote: Alber

        ours need to leave from there. Kazakhs are actually normal people, but the Americans will not calm down until they rebalance everyone along the perimeter of the borders


        That's it, everyone is leaving. Instead of rallying, increasing their numbers, they flee.
  5. +4
    2 March 2018 07: 18
    The decision has been made and no one will ever do anything. The Cyrillic alphabet has no prospects.
    1. +7
      2 March 2018 09: 00
      Cyrillic is and will be, but the vitality of the new alphabet is very doubtful. I undertake to assert that for the Kazakh people the action in question is very harmful. Indeed, in fact, Kazakh culture has not yet developed, has not established itself, and games with alphabets will only interfere with the development of culture.
    2. +1
      2 March 2018 09: 15
      Yeah. There is no perspective in Central Asia. You need to be able to think in Cyrillic. Do they need it? lol In my county town in Altai, many children from Armenia and Uzbekistan study in schools. Pass the exam, go to universities. And there, at least home, even to America. If this happens on one small example, then, as Zhvanetsky said, let them argue about the taste of pineapples with those who ate them. lol
    3. 0
      2 March 2018 09: 59
      IMHO even better if they completely switch to English. It’s easier to learn, even any foreigner knows him in the slightest degree.
    4. +2
      2 March 2018 13: 01
      Quote: brr1
      The Cyrillic alphabet has no prospects.

      Well, then nachinaite pisat na latinice, eto oschen perspectivno.
  6. +17
    2 March 2018 07: 26
    I think that the result of all this fuss in a few decades will be another cattle-breeding tribe with a VERY rich top and a crowd of poor airats ...
    1. +1
      2 March 2018 11: 55
      They arrange it all themselves. And no one gave them a decree, once the leader said.
      It will pass and ....
  7. +7
    2 March 2018 07: 32
    Sadly, all this is happening in Kazakhstan, where I was born and raised.
    And this moment is not clear:
    "the modern Russian-speaking population (which includes Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, and Poles, and Kazakh Germans and Jews, and even partly Koreans)."
    Why are Koreans partly Russian speakers? The vast majority of Koreans, especially those from 50 and below, do not know the Korean language at all and use only Russian in everyday life.
    1. 0
      2 March 2018 09: 45
      In appearance, Koreans and Kazakhs are not much different. Now they will differ in Russian. If a Kazakh speaks Russian, then he is definitely a Korean. Deportation to the “historical homeland” in the DPRK is also possible. Let him understand who he is there. There are definitely translators from Russian, but they may not understand Kazakh Latin. lol
      1. +6
        2 March 2018 12: 24
        I grew up in Kazakhstan, and for me, the Korean is just like a Kazakh, like a black man. Little in common.
      2. 0
        2 March 2018 19: 53
        Quote: siberalt
        In appearance, Koreans and Kazakhs are not much different

        completely different type. even outwardly. real Koreans with brush-like hair.
        Kazakh hair is thinner and even has a lot of wavy hair
  8. +3
    2 March 2018 07: 36
    Will the Cyrillic literature in the Kazakh language remain, or will it be burned and reprinted in Latin alphabet overnight? Most likely, both will be parallel. And that means you will need to understand both. Most likely, for the fastest introduction, new spellings will greatly simplify. And what about the Kazakhs living in the Russian Federation?
    1. +5
      2 March 2018 08: 08
      Quote: eugraphus
      Will the Cyrillic literature in the Kazakh language remain, or will it be burned and reprinted in Latin alphabet overnight?


      And it’s like in “Woe from Wit” A.S. Griboedova:
      If evil is stopped,
      Pick up all the books would burn
      laughing
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 15: 09
        Yes, Kazakh authors did not do any masterpieces of culture in the Kazakh language! Recently at REGNUM there were reviews on publishing and selling literature in Kazakhstan - a very sad picture, degradation and no prospects! Well, local Pushkins, Dostoyevsky and Yesenins do not grow in these steppes! Yes, and translations into Kazakh are not in demand. And no decrees-laws can fix it! And so not only in Kazakhstan and Belarus.
        Be proud, compatriots, the Great Russian Culture and the Russian World!
        And take care!
    2. +1
      2 March 2018 11: 54
      Will lead PUBLIC OFFICE in Latin - there’s no talk about books. Will anyone understand this paperwork? These are the problems of the Indians, which the sheriff is not known to bother ...
  9. +11
    2 March 2018 07: 37
    Next: kto ne skachet - tot moskal! Slava Kazahstanu! Chemodan - vokzal- Rossia! Nevertheless, according to one pattern, it is strange that the Kazakhs are engaged in this or that clan greed completely discourages them. After all, an example is nearby.
    1. +3
      2 March 2018 08: 12
      And when someone else’s mistakes were taught, everyone only learns from their own!
    2. +1
      2 March 2018 19: 56
      Quote: Alex66
      Next: kto ne skachet - tot moskal! Slava Kazahstanu! Chemodan - vokzal- Rossia! Nevertheless, according to one pattern, it is strange that the Kazakhs are engaged in this or that clan greed completely discourages them. After all, an example is nearby.

      amerikosy throw green dough, indicate the goal and, face! ...
  10. +9
    2 March 2018 07: 50
    Nazarbayev himself has repeatedly said that all the advanced countries of the world use the Latin alphabet, so it is advisable for Kazakhstan to switch to the Latin alphabet.

    Akella missed here, now we can say that they do not use, but use. You will see! This is the first step in surrendering Kazakhstan to the Anglo-Saxons or China, do you think you’d better live after that, and, citizens of Kazakhstan? Grandfather Nursultan is already old and why is he? Why is it for the Kazakhstan people?
    1. +7
      2 March 2018 13: 19
      Quote: Tartar 174
      This is the first step in surrendering Kazakhstan to the Anglo-Saxons or China

      It is unlikely, rather Nazarbayev collapsed in 2014, when Crimea again became Russia. In this way, Nursultan Abishevich decided to hedge himself and raise the "bar of patriotism" among the Kazakhs, especially in the northern regions, and then all of a sudden the Russians remember that Kustanay, Pavlodar and Petropavlovsk, in fact, were Russian cities. And they will want to follow the example of Crimea to Russia, and then here you will be - local Kazakh patriots, writing in Latin letters and considering Russia an occupier!
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 13: 49
        If it comes to this, then in addition to the Kazakh patriots, there are also Cossack patriots. But which of us needs this?
        1. +2
          3 March 2018 18: 12
          Cossacks are patriots? laughing
          Funny heroes ..
  11. +10
    2 March 2018 07: 54
    Kazakhstan refused to Cyrillic. What's next?

    Further worse.
    "Thank you" Leader who created it in 1936 and cut it to him from the heart RUSSIAN lands. fool
    1. +2
      2 March 2018 09: 00
      And not in 1928? I don’t remember the details simply when what was done there.
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 09: 49
        Quote: EvilLion
        And not in 1928? I don’t remember the details simply when what was done there.

        In 1936 Mr.
        1. +1
          2 March 2018 12: 00
          Quote: Olgovich
          Further worse.
          "Thank you" Leader who created it in 1936 and cut it from the heart of RUSSIAN lands.
          I don’t know for the whole border - I won’t say it, but in the Saratov region the border with Kazakhstan passes exactly the same way as with the tsar (I checked it with old maps on purpose).

          Unless the Semirechinsky army of the earth ...
          But the affiliation of Alma-Ata - the RSFSR would be strange enough ...
          1. +5
            2 March 2018 14: 10
            Quote: your1970
            but I don’t know the whole border, I won’t say it, but in the Saratov region the border with Kazakhstan passes exactly the same way as with the tsar (I checked it with old maps on purpose).

            Under the tsar, Kazakhstan and Ukraine simply did NOT exist.
            Quote: your1970
            But the affiliation of Alma-Ata - the RSFSR would be strange enough ...

            What is alma-ata? belay It is a city ​​faithful, founded and built by Russians and in RUSSIA looked very normal. Russophobes renamed it in the 1920s .. They also removed the name "Russia" from the world map for 70 years
            1. +1
              2 March 2018 18: 39
              Quote: Olgovich
              Under the tsar, Kazakhstan and Ukraine simply did NOT exist.
              -with the king were the Younger (Bukreevskaya horde), Middle and Senior Zhuz. They were located in the same place as now, on the maps of those times are marked as expected.
              1. 0
                3 March 2018 09: 41
                Quote: your1970
                -with the king were the Younger (Bukreevskaya horde), Middle and Senior Zhuz. They were located in the same place as now, on the maps of those times are marked as expected.

                Open the map of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE issued with her. NO there are any bugs
          2. +1
            2 March 2018 15: 14
            From what?
            In addition, who raised the virgin soil - the Kazakhs? Yes, they took part - some. Will they be able to save?
  12. +24
    2 March 2018 08: 10
    A Kazakh car stalled on the highway. He stopped, the track was deserted, went out, does not know what to do. A German passed by, stopped, volunteered to help, looked at the engine of his car, changed the candle. Kazakh at this time cracked him, which Kazakhs are smart. Then he asked the German: "And who are you by nationality?" He replied: "German." Kazakh says: "Ahh, I know! You are also smart as Kazakhs!"

    That is, in brief, the essence of many nationalities. hi laughing
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    2. +1
      2 March 2018 08: 59
      Put + 1, and let you put more than one hundred.
    3. +7
      2 March 2018 11: 10
      and also a classic - every Kazakh boss should have a black Volga. red secretary and russian deputy
      1. 0
        2 March 2018 15: 39
        By the way, about black cars, there is such an incident.
        In the capital of Turkmenistan and regions black car ban. At the same time, various measures are being taken with respect to cars that have not repainted white.

        http://ca-news.org/print:1434843/
        1. 0
          2 March 2018 16: 08
          funny, but what's the catch?
          1. 0
            2 March 2018 16: 18
            Since January 2015, import of black cars to Turkmenistan has been banned. At that time, customs officials could not explain the ban. To questions and indignation, they only answered that you need to buy white cars, because "white color brings good luck».
            request
            https://www.nur.kz/1710445-ezdit-na-cernyh-avto-z
            apretili-v-turkmenistane.html
  13. +11
    2 March 2018 08: 12
    Quote: Olgovich
    "Thank you" Leader who created it in 1936 and cut it from the heart of RUSSIAN lands.

    --------------------------
    Olgovich, when do your handkerchiefs dry from crying? If you do not understand the essence of the national policy of both the USSR and the Russian Empire, then do not reason with cliches. Are you ready to go to Kostanay or Petropavlovsk, to develop the Kazakh steppe?
    1. +4
      2 March 2018 14: 21
      Quote: Altona
      Olgovich, when do your handkerchiefs dry from crying?

      belay lol
      Quote: Altona
      If you do not understand essence of national politics both the USSR and the Russian Empire, then do not argue stamps.

      Tell us quickly the essence and without stamps! hi How did the Russians turn out WITHOUT their cities and lands of Odessa, Nikolaev, Verny, Peropavovsk (etc.) and how delightful was it for them?
      Quote: Altona
      Are you ready to go to Kostanay or Petropavlovsk, to develop the Kazakh steppe?

      Keep in mind that I am in great demand: they are waiting for me to master the Perm Territory and Siberia, and raise the Non-Chernozemye and the Far East. hi
      Instead of those millions who were extinct and were not born (Russian Cross) under the Communist Party. Yes
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 23: 13
        Quote: Olgovich
        Tell us quickly the essence and without stamps! How did the Russians turn out WITHOUT their cities and lands _Odessa, Nikolaev, Verny, Peropavovsk (etc.) and how delightful was it for them?

        Everything is simple here, the reason is the same, the "locals" have given birth to more children and there are more Russians.
    2. +1
      2 March 2018 23: 12
      Quote: Altona
      Are you ready to go to Kostanay or Petropavlovsk, to develop the Kazakh steppe?

      So that a country can develop new lands, it is necessary to give birth to eight to ten children in a family.
  14. +9
    2 March 2018 08: 21
    And then the illiteracy of young people who will not know either Russian or English and degradation to the level of some kind of Afghanistan. I fully approve and support.
    1. +2
      2 March 2018 08: 34
      It will be so. In Naglia, the majority has nothing to learn, they would be glad to Russia, but they will not know the language. And all thanks to the strategic commander. In the meantime, we come to do a lot.
  15. +6
    2 March 2018 08: 24
    Quote: Siban
    In this comment, you reflected the whole essence of the great-power chauvinists ..

    --------------------------
    Pff ... I myself am a national leader, and you have a mattress flag of a great-power chauvin. tongue tongue
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      1. +9
        2 March 2018 11: 59
        Sibanishvili ... ahahaha ....
        Well, even Firdousi noticed:
        "... that many nomadic foreigners accept the faith of the prophet in order to hide their base vices: voluptuousness, gluttony, love for boys, self-interest and money-grubbing"

        Quote: Siban
        By the way, there lived "wretched Chukhonians" in the Russian Empire, left the bosom of the Republic of Ingushetia, and so directly degraded.

        ..ahaha .... Have you ever compared yourself with the "wretched Chukhons" ?? ... Yes, it’s good to make laugh ... You are the descendants of nomadic Uzbeks, you have nothing to do with the nonsense ... For you could not even shoe horses during your existence ....
        Although Th .... the topic is not that ...

        The Latin alphabet will look quite pseudo ...
        1. +6
          2 March 2018 13: 19
          Sibanishvili ... ahahaha

          I will advise this troll to remove the letter C from the nickname. So more beautiful BUDET. Dzhigit.
      2. +2
        2 March 2018 12: 03
        Quote: Siban
        The current degradation of Afghanistan is a direct result of the intervention of the "great northern neighbor."
        - But it’s nothing that Americans are sitting there much longer than the USSR ???
      3. +7
        2 March 2018 13: 32
        Quote: Siban
        The current degradation of Afghanistan, a direct result of the intervention of the "great northern neighbor" ..

        Was it degradation in some place? My dear, look on the Internet for a list of objects built by the Soviets in Afghanistan until 1989. And please provide a list of the objects built by your Homeland from the moment of "bringing freedom" to the north-eastern part of the Iranian Highlands.
      4. +5
        2 March 2018 13: 33
        Quote: Siban
        The current degradation of Afghanistan, a direct result of the intervention of the "great northern neighbor" ..

        "Northern neighbor" when he left, he took everything that was built with him. Schools, factories, hospitals ... Where did you tell the poor peasant to go away? So, as before 1979, you had to go to grow poppy again and rob it by robbery. You ask - But what about the Americans and the other "Western coalition" that has been sitting in Afghanistan for the past several decades? And they are nothing, this "great northern neighbor" is to blame.
      5. +1
        2 March 2018 23: 15
        Quote: Siban
        The current degradation of Afghanistan, a direct result of the intervention of the "great northern neighbor" ..

        Rather, the western is not a neighbor. In the degradation of Afghanistan, all the blame is on the Starbuckers.
  16. +4
    2 March 2018 08: 37
    It is not the business of the Russians to teach the Kazakhs what and how to do. Do you have any problems? Kazakhs themselves will figure out which alphabet they need and with whom and how to be friends. And they will never give up friendship with the Russians. That's just chauvinism as a certain part of Russian, they do not get sick. Kazakhs have always been free and free to decide what kind of writing they need.
    1. +11
      2 March 2018 08: 58
      Excuse me, does the country with the flag that your nickname is displayed also have no business of its own, that the whole world is teaching some kind of democracy?
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 10: 31
        Do not look at the flag. In Kazakhstan, the VO site is blocked, we only go through the proxy ...
        1. +1
          2 March 2018 11: 46
          How much they write, they write it is blocked ... Well, I don’t know, I go in freely, load longer, and so without problems. And immediately to the site and through any browser.
          1. 0
            2 March 2018 16: 43
            I also noticed that some are displayed with the flag of the Republic of Kazakhstan. But I can only go here through the opera with VPN enabled or through Tor. What region are you from? I am from SKO.
            1. +1
              3 March 2018 04: 08
              Karaganda. The KZ flag is not in the settings, so the USSR set it. I calmly go through any search engine, it takes a little longer to load than at the opera with vpn, but without problems. Or maybe they personally allocated special traffic to me.? bully
        2. +4
          2 March 2018 12: 04
          Quote: NikolaiN
          Do not look at the flag. In Kazakhstan, the VO site is blocked, we only go through the proxy ...
          in connection with what? court decisions, extremism, or just ... ?? Intrigued !!!
          1. +1
            2 March 2018 16: 47
            I don’t even know ... It’s not in the list of blocked ones. True, I read that in our country a court makes a decision and blocks websites by IP, and sometimes several websites are sitting on the same IP and therefore they also block those for which there is no court decision.
        3. +1
          2 March 2018 13: 48
          Well, this is also an indicator, as well as the "allies" who want weapons at domestic prices.
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    3. +9
      2 March 2018 12: 52
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      It is not the business of the Russians to teach the Kazakhs what and how to do. Do you have any problems?

      We have problems thanks to you. It is you who come to us to roll the labor market. Itself 10 years ago handed over the house to the Kazakh family "of 3 people". Shobla arrived 10-15 snouts. They cheated everything they could, glued an iron to linoleum, hung fat curls in the toilet. Talked with your brother. The culture of EPT.
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      And they will never give up friendship with the Russians. That's just chauvinism as a certain part of the Russians they do not get sick

      Better refuse. We here in St. Petersburg are all uncultured chauvinists and generally bastards. Live in peace in your Kazakhstan.
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      . Kazakhs have always been free and free to decide what kind of writing they need.

      Flag in hands and a drum on the neck
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 22: 59
        Here is handsome. The only honest man. You need Kazakh money, but you don’t want problems. Good. Then keep the tips for yourself.
        1. 0
          7 March 2018 09: 02
          Kazakh money? Boo ha ha! Not a single Kazakh with his money without a fight and torture will not part. Admin "grid" to one Kazakh. He constantly had some fantasies, even updating the antivirus required switching it to manual mode, such as “I do not trust these mechanisms” and called every week to manually update the anti-virus databases. He liked to answer the question about money: “Today no, I’ll give it another time.” In general, for six months such “work” received money for only 2 months. In general, on) (do not need Kazakh money!
        2. 0
          7 March 2018 11: 52
          you can’t even fix 100 bani laughing
    4. +1
      2 March 2018 17: 48
      Only the grave will correct the hunchback ...
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        1. 0
          7 March 2018 11: 55
          Quote: Gorbatiy
          Well, this is a divine matter.

          still admin can help
    5. +2
      2 March 2018 23: 19
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      That's just chauvinism as a certain part of Russian, they do not get sick.

      Appeal to common sense - is this chauvinism?
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      Kazakhs have always been free and free to decide what kind of writing they need.

      There is a mistake in your proposal, the phrase "have always been" to the Kazakhs is not applicable
    6. +1
      7 March 2018 08: 58
      "That's just chauvinism as a certain part of the Russians they do not get sick." - Well, it’s more visible to you from Manhattan, of course ... And to us, who has roots from Northern Kazakhstan, since you don’t think so.
  17. +17
    2 March 2018 08: 37
    Nazarbayev himself has repeatedly said that all the advanced countries of the world use the Latin alphabet, so it is advisable for Kazakhstan to switch to Latin


    I immediately remembered a joke about this ..
    Optimists are learning English. Pessimists learn Chinese. Realists
    studying a Kalashnikov assault rifle ...
    The vector of historical development today is clearly directed not towards advanced countriesProbably a country with a huge territory and with a population approximately equal in population to Moscow, which also has significant resources, it is worth taking care first of all the study of the Kalashnikov assault rifle otherwise, you will then have to switch to Chinese characters or the Arabic script of the next caliphate
    1. +3
      2 March 2018 08: 57
      To study the Kalashnikov’s assault rifle, a lot may or may not be necessary, but to study the Su-30СМ, it would be nice to be fluent in Russian. It greatly simplifies the study of manuls, eliminating the need to translate them unclear who does not understand what.
      1. +4
        2 March 2018 10: 05
        Quote: EvilLion
        To study the Kalashnikov assault rifle

        Well this is an allegory !!
    2. +2
      2 March 2018 09: 44
      The Chinese have long been romanizing their alphabet. It's called pinyin. So any Chinese word can be written in Latin letters. And nothing, not outraged. There is no deflection in the west. Only business.
  18. +13
    2 March 2018 08: 46
    There was a dispute in one of the Asian republics about the abolition of the Russian language ... the discussion was heated ... the question was asked ... how many books were published in the national language ... ??? so much ... and special, in medicine, technology, etc. .... silence. And in Russian ... ??? and those and others ... all kinds of what you like. At that time, opponents of the Russian language shut up. Now they will have to translate all their books in the national language published in Cyrillic into Latin ... the benefit of all of them is of a domestic plan ... and special books will all be in foreign Russian and other world languages. From changing the letters of the spelling of the word halva in your mouth will not become sweeter. What can the Kazakh language do about the legacy of imperial Russia ... she created it for them ... here they are struggling with their own self-consciousness ... like many other nations have their languages.
  19. +7
    2 March 2018 08: 49
    Quote: Strashila
    Now they will have to translate all their books in the national language published in Cyrillic into Latin ... the benefit of all of them is of a domestic plan ... and special books will all be in foreign Russian and other world languages. From changing the letters of the spelling of the word halva in your mouth will not become sweeter.

    --------------------------
    People are not looking for easy ways. In attempts to prove their autonomy in this matter, they are on the right path of ancient ukrov, sorry, Sumerians. hi laughing
  20. +11
    2 March 2018 08: 53
    I am afraid of swagging, but if, after switching to Latin and impairing the Russian language, the Kazakhs live much worse, they will make the Russian and Russian speaking guilty. The likelihood of such an option is extremely high. And there Donbass 2.0 is not far in Kazakhstan.
    1. 0
      2 March 2018 12: 07
      Quote: avia12005
      And there is nearby Donbass 2.0 in Kazakhstan.
      "Can you imagine the size of Kazakhstan and population density? A population equal to the Donbass in the area is like one and a half Ukraine."
      30 million people in the second largest country after Russia
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 12: 27
        17 million.
        1. 0
          2 March 2018 18: 41
          Yes, I'm sorry, really - 18 million for 2017.
      2. 0
        2 March 2018 20: 35
        Quote: your1970
        30 million people in the second largest country after Russia

        This is probably Uzbekistan, 30 million people
  21. +1
    2 March 2018 09: 08
    it’s hard to build versions without knowing almost anything about Nazarbayev’s plans and his current agreements with Putin.
    The fact that H couldn’t risk his relations with P like that for the sake of a rather contradictory move with the Latin alphabet seems to me undeniable. So the version of the anti-Russian deviation of H towards the West is unlikely. Politics is a game. It is quite possible to arrange such a show with a difficult fate. H wins time and distracts attention from something more important. After a couple of years, the Latina will not take root and everything will end with a return to the national language and Russian.
    If you look at this from the point of view of relations with China, it also doesn’t fit in any way. - I don’t feel cold and cold from the Latin alphabet.
    Qui about the quo? Who benefits? it is clear that the initiator of this process, and to whom? To the West, it looks like an attempt at rapprochement, like a change of course, such a language is the basis of mentality. But here I have doubts, East is a delicate matter ..
  22. +2
    2 March 2018 09: 09
    Quote: EvilLion
    Excuse me, does the country with the flag that your nickname is displayed also have no business of its own, that the whole world is teaching some kind of democracy?

    It is “some” that does not teach, but teaches. And do not be shy like this, call the Country by your name. Is there such a fear? It seems that today’s GDP was talking about some alien weapons. Boldly.
    1. +5
      2 March 2018 10: 41
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      It is “some” that does not teach, but teaches.

      And who gave the Americans the right to educate someone? Teach your children to use toilet paper, for example. What are you going to others? Or was your name? The time will come and you, personally and like Serebryakov, will sing nostalgic songs. Only your howl will not pass anyone.
  23. +3
    2 March 2018 09: 11
    Grandfather is old, he doesn’t care - I mean the Nazarbay elbasy, the last ruling Persian of the Communist Party.
  24. +6
    2 March 2018 09: 48
    Quote: Siban
    The current degradation of Afghanistan, a direct result of the intervention of the "great northern neighbor" ..
    By the way, there lived-were “miserable Chukhonians” in the Russian Empire, left the bosom of the Republic of Ingushetia, and so directly degraded ..

    --------------------------------------
    Well, and overseas graying as they arrived in Afghanistan so straight everything bloomed with the lush color of cannabis. As for the wretched Chukhonites, I would ask, because I myself have a direct relationship to them. And as for the “overpowering” foreigners, you correctly noticed this. You have a foreigner Obama heaped up business, in a peacemaking impulse, he crashed several countries in North Africa and the Middle East. And re-read Lenin’s grandfather, the old man was powerful, otherwise you’re degrading like Afghanistan. Just do not confuse cause and effect and do not take phrases out of context. Yes, when others teach how to deal with small nations, sometimes remember your Indians. And then the guys disappeared, no one knows who they are and how they are.
    About the "great power and chauvinism." Are you aware that the South African parliament passed a law that states that land will be taken from white farmers without paying them compensation? wink laughing laughing
    PS Do not forget about the Indians, please. And then just jump over the clave, condemn "great-power chauvinism." laughing laughing
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      1. +1
        2 March 2018 23: 28
        Quote: Siban
        Indians enjoy significant benefits for admission to higher education and training for them, as a rule, is free

        Well, the Indians in the socialist states of America are directly flourishing.
  25. 0
    2 March 2018 09: 49
    Quote: Aviator_
    Grandfather is old, he doesn’t care - I mean the Nazarbay elbasy, the last ruling Persian of the Communist Party.

    -----------------------------
    You are more careful, I received a comment here for the attack against Nazarbayev.
    1. 0
      2 March 2018 21: 25
      Did I really say something offensive about the last communist woman (grandfather, if in Russian)? But only the Latin in Kazakhstan, in my opinion, will add unnecessary problems in this country, do they have few existing problems?
  26. +5
    2 March 2018 10: 00
    in fact, there is an extrusion of the Russian language in order to create a "monolithic" state. It will end badly for the Russians, or they will have to leave for Russia, or assimilate. Both that and another, extremely painful process.
    The reason is, I believe that Nazarbayev fell ill with the same disease that Ukraine suffers. Only Ukraine fell under the EU, and Kazakhstan wants China. I won’t be surprised if soon the “love” for Russia passes completely. By the end of Nazarbayev, a nationally oriented leader will already grow up, then the CIS will officially die.
    1. +4
      2 March 2018 16: 33
      If Nazarbayev wanted to lie under the PRC, then he would not enter the Latin alphabet, but hieroglyphs. No, the petty khans in Kazakhstan are afraid of the PRC, because the border is near and if the PLA doesn’t leave a wet place for them. The owners of the Fed seem much more preferable to them for standard reasons for the oligarchs (the place of storage of “overworked children”, the education and life of children), as well as the fact that the secondary schools are far away and their power will be limited only by the arrival of several “Gauleiters”. On the opinion of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, everyone traditionally spits.
  27. +6
    2 March 2018 10: 28
    Why didn’t you think of the hieroglyphic letter “remember” at once? They would have asked the Sumerians, they thought of digging the sea millennia ago ...
    Another urine hit my head. Well, nothing does not teach life. The Belarusians still have to set the rake on the rake.
  28. +4
    2 March 2018 10: 38
    Moving to the Latin alphabet, the Kazakhs are depriving themselves of a huge layer of Russian culture, which exists in the works published in the Cyrillic alphabet - Pushkin, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky and many others. And what in return? NOTHING!!!
    1. +1
      2 March 2018 12: 07
      At one time, Kemal also carried out language reform and met it with indignation. But in the end, the reform paid off.
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 13: 40
        Quote: Ronald Reagan
        At one time, Kemal also carried out language reform and met it with indignation. But in the end, the reform paid off.

        In Turkey, at the time when Kemal was translating, was there a large Arab diaspora and the Arabic language "went" along with Turkish?
        1. 0
          5 March 2018 22: 13
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          when Kemal was translating, was there a large Arab diaspora and the Arabic language "walked" along with Turkish?

          Arabs and Turkey are not few now. BUT Arabic is the language of the Qur'an. Therefore, there was fierce resistance, ordinary people did not understand why the letters of the Prophet of the Prophet may be converted to the letters of the Gyauras.
          But Kemal was a stubborn man. He changed the letters and removed the veil, putting on skirts and trousers on Turkish women and tamed Turkish women on cigarettes. Therefore, Nazarbayev should do all this in a click.
  29. +6
    2 March 2018 11: 03
    The north of Kazakhstan, which is populated by Russians and Russian-speakers, arouses the greatest fear among Nazarbayev’s entourage regarding his political loyalty. Of course, ideally, Kazakh nationalists would prefer the complete emigration of the entire Russian and Russian-speaking population to Russia,

    Russian-speaking population of Crimea has already emigrated to Russia
  30. 0
    2 March 2018 11: 23
    Quote: Vasily50
    I had to see a remake of petroglyphs from riders in telpecs on lizards, on the shores of Issyk-Kul. I also heard tales of the Kirghiz fighting off the hordes of Genghis Khan on the shores of Issyk-Kul. By the way, the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs were divided in the last century, when the inhabitants of KAZAKIA became Kazakhs.

    Those who are now called the Kirghiz, and in the 19th century were called buruts and other names, have been living on the shore of Issyk-Kul since 1757. This is something like a state secret.
  31. +2
    2 March 2018 11: 28
    Thinking Kazakhstanis - get stronger. The rest is relieved.
  32. +3
    2 March 2018 12: 32
    Quote: Victor N
    Very good!
    Nursultan Nazarbayev marked himself as NOT A FRIEND of Russians and Russia. Not an enemy yet, but no longer a friend. This is a CHALLENGE to the Russian World! We will remember this.
    And we will adjust relations with the Kazakhs.
    And the support of compatriots in Kazakhstan needs to be strengthened.

    And who is to blame for this !!!! ????
    Is not our "beloved" by some slave !!!
    Which even the galleys are not allowed to debate !!!!!
    1. 0
      2 March 2018 15: 33
      Well, where does Stenka Reisman ?!
      There is a bad smell in your sandbox, I will be in mine, and you - in your own can arrange debates.
  33. +2
    2 March 2018 13: 56
    You give the accession of northern Kazakhstan to Russia! Fulfill the dream of Limonov!
  34. 0
    2 March 2018 15: 35
    Quote: Siban
    how to say a joke about Kazakhs so nothing as about "Chukhons" - so - "I would ask"

    ----------------------
    Unlike the Kazakhs, the Chukhites had statehood with all the attributes and they don’t want the Tsar of the Russian, even monuments stand, so we’ll go back to square one.
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      1. +1
        2 March 2018 19: 41
        Quote: Siban
        Dear, I will give you a list of those who died due to interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state

        Well, that is, there is no list you built, so there must be a list destroyed by the democratizers. And by the way, no one has such a "track record" of those who died during interventions in the internal affairs of other states, like the United States.
        Quote: Siban
        We didn’t bomb

        And here you are, to put it mildly, lying. It is your country that has bombed Afghanistan in recent years. And the fact that you are not going to build, duck is not news - when did the Americans do good to someone?
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          1. 0
            3 March 2018 09: 38
            Quote: Siban
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            It is your country that has bombed Afghanistan in recent years
            "Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer" (c): laughing

            But, essentially, what is there to say?
            Quote: Siban
            Eugene bring the facts, where my homeland is Kazakhstan, Afghanistan is bombedfool "Hawthorn" wassat?!

            Yesterday there was an American flag, today is a British flag ... Are you trying to write under your family?
            And if you are a resident of Kazakhstan, you should be aware that the USSR did more good for Afghanistan than brought grief (old dushmans talk about this when meeting with their former opponents), and civilian casualties can not be avoided. And, by the way, it is still unknown how many Americans put the people there, there is somehow no information about this. Apparently there is something to hide.
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      2. +1
        2 March 2018 23: 34
        Quote: Siban
        Dear, I will give you a list of those who died due to interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state:

        The war in Afghanistan was unleashed by Anglo-American mercenaries, blame yourself, the blood of the Afghans is at your fingertips.
  35. +7
    2 March 2018 15: 47
    I am Russian, born and raised in the south of Kazakhstan, my father was born and lived almost all his life in Kazakhstan, my mother also lived there all her life. I have nothing against the Kazakhs, but my parents all my life felt discomfort like all Russians, so that they would not speak. Therefore, when I graduated from the institute in 1992, I left for Russia. And I don’t regret it for a second. My children and grandchildren will live in Russia in their historical homeland. Everyone makes his own choices, and he also raises his own mistakes. Good to all!
    1. 0
      5 March 2018 22: 15
      Quote: sinys
      And I don’t regret it for a second. My children and grandchildren will live in Russia in their historical homeland.

      there is no connection. Many Russians consider the North of Kazakhstan historical Russia.
  36. +4
    2 March 2018 15: 57
    Our humble opinion in this matter is that let all these independent states build their cave nationalism. Thus, they will squeeze out Russian-speaking citizens to Russia, which is beneficial both demographically and economically.
  37. +2
    2 March 2018 16: 15
    Quote: zhekazs
    Why didn’t you think of the hieroglyphic letter “remember” at once? They would have asked the Sumerians, they thought of digging the sea millennia ago ...
    Another urine hit my head. Well, nothing does not teach life. The Belarusians still have to set the rake on the rake.

    So, note, in Belarus, the Russian language is state on a par with Belarusian. And, by the way, in state institutions, in the service sector and in everyday life, the Russian language is used (well, with rare exceptions, especially special). So that... wink
    1. +2
      2 March 2018 18: 31
      If "Russian is the state language on par with Belarusian", then why are the names of streets, avenues, stops only on the move?
  38. 0
    2 March 2018 16: 34
    And we spite them, forgive a few lard of debts ... khe, khe.
  39. +2
    2 March 2018 17: 06
    Quote: BecmepH
    Quote: Gorbatiy
    It is “some” that does not teach, but teaches.

    And who gave the Americans the right to educate someone? Teach your children to use toilet paper, for example. What are you going to others? Or was your name? The time will come and you, personally and like Serebryakov, will sing nostalgic songs. Only your howl will not pass anyone.

    Well, of course, you can climb this Kazakhs for advice, call names, write all sorts of nastiness when you have no hot water at home and a thief is sitting on a thief. Nothing. Everything has its time. Little remains. Soon stories like you will be washed away in the archive.
    1. +1
      2 March 2018 17: 20
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      Soon stories like you will be washed away in the archive.

      Hunchback, are you an honest person?
      1. +1
        2 March 2018 22: 53
        The question is of course interesting. Consider that insightful.
  40. +2
    2 March 2018 17: 12
    Quote: BecmepH
    Quote: Gorbatiy
    It is not the business of the Russians to teach the Kazakhs what and how to do.

    Cool))) We are taught to not teach others. Clown. You and the grave will not fix.

    And who are you to teach the Kazakhs? The Kazakhs are ancient and once taught Russian statehood. Your chauvinism will soon break down.
    1. +5
      2 March 2018 17: 37
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      Kazakhs are ancient and once taught Russian statehood

      and what sea did they dig up? Ukrainians -Black, and the Kazakhs? Until the seas are dug up - not any changes with the alphabet!
      1. +5
        2 March 2018 19: 40
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Gorbatiy
        Kazakhs are ancient and once taught Russian statehood

        and what sea did they dig up? Ukrainians -Black, and the Kazakhs? Until the seas are dug up - not any changes with the alphabet!

        stop To prove their right to a new alphabet and not copy "ancient ukrov" - Kazakhs buried Aral Sea. wassat
      2. 0
        2 March 2018 21: 31
        They dug Balkhash with Issyk-Kul.
        1. +1
          7 March 2018 11: 56
          lying Issyk-Kul dug Kyrgyz
          1. 0
            7 March 2018 19: 06
            Kyrgyz Kazakhs hired after shock commissioning of Balkhash
            1. 0
              7 March 2018 19: 23
              we assume that we got out drinks
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      1. +2
        2 March 2018 22: 51
        Live in a joke, continue.
    3. +1
      7 March 2018 09: 08
      "The Kazakhs are ancient and once taught Russian statehood." - So, in general, all people from the Kazakhs happened! Didn’t you know so far? And they still teach the statehood even to Americans.
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  43. +4
    2 March 2018 17: 58
    Thanks to grandfather Lenin for his national policy and state arrangement of Russia. He presented the lands of the Ural Cossack Army, the Siberian Cossack Army, the Semirechensky Cossack Army to the Nazis. I suggest that all lovers of Lenin and his bros be evicted to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. That would understand what the Leninists did with Russia.
  44. +4
    2 March 2018 18: 31
    All this from fear. From fear of huge Russia. Suddenly the Russians will come for their lands and suddenly they will be met by the same Russians with bread and salt. The example of Crimea and Donbass reinforced their fear. Hence this whole writing venture and flirting with the USA and China.
  45. +3
    2 March 2018 19: 24
    Leave you alone in the Republic of Kazakhstan, you’ll digest it yourself, the National Academy of Sciences has been sick with pan-Turkism for the last 6-7 years, the Crimea is not a bad idea, it shook it too. I will say one thing: the familiar Kazakhs spoke out 100% of the time negatively to this innovation.
    1. +1
      2 March 2018 23: 43
      Quote: StarMaster
      Leave you alone

      This is physically impossible; Russia and Kazakhstan have the longest border section.
      Quote: StarMaster
      I will say one thing: the familiar Kazakhs spoke out 100% of the time negatively to this innovation.

      This tale about "ordinary Kazakhs (Germans, Ukrainians, Poles and so on)" leave the fools who believe in it.
      1. +1
        3 March 2018 21: 05
        Where do I write about "ordinary Kazakhs (Germans, Ukrainians, Poles, etc.)"?
    2. 0
      3 March 2018 20: 05
      Quote: StarMaster
      Leave you alone in the Republic of Kazakhstan, you’ll digest it yourself, the National Academy of Sciences has been sick with pan-Turkism for the last 6-7 years, the Crimea is not a bad idea, it shook it too. I will say one thing: the familiar Kazakhs spoke out 100% of the time negatively to this innovation.

      ====
      the people may be against it, but the elite are in favor! the usual situation in the post-Soviet space, and indeed in eastern Europe as well.
  46. +5
    2 March 2018 21: 48
    It is clear that this is a one-man, voluntaristic decision of one person. He so wanted - he did it. He will die tonight, and if tomorrow morning a completely pro-Russian politician will come to power - turning to the Cyrillic alphabet and abolishing the Latin alphabet will absolutely not shock anyone; Khan said - everyone quickly ran to change signs for Cyrillic. This decision has no relation to social and social expediency. It is simply pointless to guess the reasons that prompted Nazarbayev to do so. Offending him and the Kazakhs is pointless; nothing depends on the Kazakhs themselves; Well, Nursultan Abishevich is unlikely to be able to justify his decision - or rather, there will simply be a set of meaningless words about the need to be closer to the world; keep up with the peoples of the planet - in general, the struggle for all the good, blah, blah, blah.
    In this regard, we can only rejoice for the Kazakhs, that fate decreed that English, and not Chinese, is now the world mainstream. The hair is moving on my head, at the thought that Nursultan Abishevich would be sitting now, and from every screen I would now be thinking about the full correspondence of the Chinese writing to the Kazakh language, about the exceptional ergonomics of the system "to a single word is a separate unique character." Some contests have now been held, for the most calligraphic writing (drawing))))) named after the First President, preferably with his own blood)))).
    It would be even cooler if, after all this horror, the Kazakhs would have made a complete revolution - and as a result of the next twist of fate, they would again have switched to the Cyrillic alphabet - well, like the Vietnamese, at first they together learned the language of the French colonialists, then all the haste was Russian, but in the end - English. Thus - the old Vietnamese - most of them know French; middle age, many know Russian, well, young people learn English. I feel the story doesn’t end there - Chinese is next in turn))))).
    Thus, it seems that the Kazakhs (led by the wise sole ruler) amicably stepped on this slippery path. It's okay, people often make mistakes, even whole nations make mistakes, rushing back and forth, not the first time, the Lord gave us free will, and we often use it to its fullest.
  47. 0
    2 March 2018 21: 58
    The author is not aware that it was Nazarbayev who was the author and main mover of the policy of Eurasianism in the early to mid-90s. The author is not aware that it was Nazarbayev who forced Yeltsin to sign the relevant agreements, and not vice versa. And then what exactly Nazarbayev persuaded Putin to take real steps in this direction. In fact, both the Customs Union and the EurAsEC are primarily the work of Nazarbayev. So do we really believe all kinds of ignoramuses that now that it has finally earned, Nazarbayev will refuse it? Do not tell my slippers, ignoramus.
    1. +3
      2 March 2018 23: 00
      We are, of course, ignorant. But this is bad luck, most recently Nazarbayev visited Washington, where he scattered in gratitude to America for supporting the independence of Kazakhstan. He personally thanked Trump at a press conference. That's the main thing, and everything else is only for the benefit.
    2. +2
      2 March 2018 23: 47
      Quote: Serge Khan
      In fact, both the Customs Union and the EurAsEC are primarily the work of Nazarbayev.

      And now our "customs allies" have the opportunity to drive sanctioned goods into the Russian market. A stillborn union that has no use for Russia.
  48. +3
    2 March 2018 22: 50
    Quote: Freeman
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Gorbatiy
    Kazakhs are ancient and once taught Russian statehood

    and what sea did they dig up? Ukrainians -Black, and the Kazakhs? Until the seas are dug up - not any changes with the alphabet!

    stop To prove their right to a new alphabet and not copy "ancient ukrov" - Kazakhs buried Aral Sea. wassat

    You are so miserable that you cannot even answer in a reasoned way. And the result is obvious. Mother is falling apart. And yesterday the circus showed GDP and you all danced.
    1. +3
      2 March 2018 23: 53
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      And yesterday the circus showed GDP and you all danced.

      The circus is your tantrum about his performance.
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  50. +1
    2 March 2018 23: 41
    Interestingly, Kazakhs are also ready to put pots on the Maidan?
  51. +3
    3 March 2018 00: 05
    As much as it doesn’t hurt to admit, such a step at present cannot be called anything other than BETRAYAL. Although, this is of course the sovereign right of Kazakhstan. He had a higher opinion of the Kazakhs.
  52. +3
    3 March 2018 00: 59
    It is not clear where the mass of commentators saw the “attack on the Russian language”?

    On the contrary, this innovation will practically destroy the KAZAKH LANGUAGE and Kazakh culture, making millions of Kazakhs illiterate in the Kazakh language, and forcing them to use the Russian language.

    Adults will be illiterate in the “new” one, and children will leave school illiterate in the old one.

    And hello to degradation and return to cave feudalism, like our neighbors.
  53. +3
    3 March 2018 02: 00
    Quote: Conserp
    And hello to degradation and return to cave feudalism, like our neighbors.

    A very insightful remark.
    An illiterate and degraded population is easier to manage.
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    1. +1
      3 March 2018 15: 29
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      You can't always rewrite history. You are damn falsifiers.

      Come on, they’ll be humble, you’ve already rewritten history a long time ago, where are we from you?
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      You are damn falsifiers.
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    1. +1
      3 March 2018 15: 31
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      Instead of bread, people are fed rockets.

      There is enough bread in Russia, we also share it with others.
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  57. +4
    3 March 2018 08: 36
    Those people who change their writing and language to suit the political situation are unlikely to be able to withstand political competition in the world. A logical result of the collapse of the USSR and the activities of the so-called “communists”, who destroyed it and continue their activities in the separated parts.
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  61. +4
    3 March 2018 13: 58
    Another betrayal, another ally. They have long followed the path of the jumpers from the West, squeezing Russians out of leadership positions and from the country in general, everything is exactly the same as with their non-brothers. And again, our leaders show the height of unprofessionalism and short-sightedness, just like in the West ironed the pipe and drank funds at the first sneeze of the local princes, and in Asia they left everything to chance, betraying all the interests of the country. With Kazakhstan everything is even steeper, there are generally 3/4 of the lands that are truly Russian, a state entity that never existed before the 90s did not belong. It is not clear why historically Russian territories were abandoned without strict, or better yet, the most severe control of our government, on what basis is what our people collected and defended for centuries being squandered, every five lands there are watered with Russian blood. What other evidence is needed in direct and cynically arrogant betrayal of our so-called elites who killed the country for the sake of their ambitions, greed and meanness. It’s time for this khan, and all of them, to hint that these territories were leased to them for a while, that this is our sphere of responsibility and influence, that they must coordinate every sneeze with us, otherwise they immediately cease to exist, firmly and unequivocally convey that they did not have and will not have any sovereignty, that these were, are and will be Russian territories with or without them, it is necessary to stop Russophobic actions in the bud, right up to change of leadership. Our “partners” can do this on the other side of the world from them, but on our own territory we all play with white gloves, just wipe our snot when they slap us on the cheeks, and vaguely make excuses before presumptuous rude people. Russophobia in the world should be very expensive and life-threatening in the literal sense of the word, especially in our temporarily occupied territories, the so-called. republics of the post-Soviet space, which were, are and remain Russian territory.
  62. +1
    3 March 2018 15: 54
    Uzbekistan began to switch to the Latin alphabet in the 90s. However, this did not particularly affect the Cyrillic alphabet. As a result, after a quarter of a century, the Cyrillic and Latin alphabet are still used in Uzbekistan. And although Russian is not the state language, all decrees and other state-level regulatory documents are issued in Uzbek Cyrillic and Russian. The same will happen with Kazakh in Cyrillic.
    1. +1
      5 March 2018 22: 24
      Quote: ShrekK
      The same will happen with Kazakh in Cyrillic.

      Why are you giving a bad example???
      Azerbaijan, on the contrary, started in the 90s and in the early 2000s completely transitioned, and successfully. Education has not fallen. Everything is at the same level. It’s just that everything depends on implementation. Azerbaijan took the experience of Turkey, Turkey itself actively helped. Plus the state allocated funds there are already a lot of books to translate and release new ones in the Latin alphabet. So, everything will depend on the Kazakhs themselves. Or they will take the failed experience of Uzbekistan or the successful one of Azerbaijan. And if Azerbaijan was helped by Turkey, which was not so familiar with the Soviet platform, so to speak, then it is even easier for Kazakhstan , there will be as many as 2 countries to help, one of which is former Soviet, and they will see in more detail some points that Turkey will not notice.
  63. +1
    3 March 2018 16: 09
    I'm sorry, what? Away from Russia - that's what. Why bother, we should switch straight to English. You might think they will live better.
  64. +2
    3 March 2018 17: 17
    The steppe will not be empty. There will be no Russians next to the Kazakhs - the Chinese will come, and then no English alphabet will help them.
    1. +2
      3 March 2018 18: 44
      It’s good to write the same mantra all the time, day after day.)))
      The Kazakhs don’t even react to this scare anymore.
      1. +1
        3 March 2018 19: 51
        I live on the border with Kazakhstan. The steppe is our wealth. The Kazakhs - those who live in Russia (with us) - are completely our people, and those who are a little further away are close friends and relatives. Translated into Cyrillic, this is one people.
        And those who with the Canadian flag are trying to teach us life in the middle of Eurasia - get out!
  65. +1
    3 March 2018 19: 56
    "Ideally, Kazakh nationalists would prefer the complete emigration of the entire Russian and Russian-speaking population to Russia". What Nazarbayev wants in Kazakhstan, for new republics of the DPR and LPR to appear, is what he will get in the near future. fool fool fool
  66. +1
    3 March 2018 19: 57
    Quote: Simon
    What Nazarbayev wants in Kazakhstan, for the new republics of the DPR and LPR to appear, is what he will get in the near future.

    1. +2
      3 March 2018 20: 23
      Are you sure?
      I'm afraid it's not the other way around. Moreover, knowing the growing national contradictions in the Russian Federation, if this happens, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. bully
  67. +1
    3 March 2018 20: 01
    Quote: romb
    It’s good to write the same mantra all the time, day after day.)))
    The Kazakhs don’t even react to this scare anymore.

    I understand you, but the Kazakhs will throw out an entire generation of people who grew up in the Union.
    1. +1
      3 March 2018 20: 20
      This same generation, for the most part, has long been able and knows how to write in the “Latin alphabet”. There was, is and will be at least one foreign language at school.
      And secondly, even if not at school, then at least almost everyone had an old Nokia with a Latin layout and sms soobsheniyami. hi
  68. +2
    3 March 2018 20: 10
    Quote: 1536
    Those people who change their writing and language to suit the political situation are unlikely to be able to withstand political competition in the world. A logical result of the collapse of the USSR and the activities of the so-called “communists”, who destroyed it and continue their activities in the separated parts.

    In addition, I would like to add that the people who lose their language lose their identity! request
    1. +3
      3 March 2018 20: 24
      So no one is going to lose their language. Its logical modernization is underway. So it's empty.
  69. +2
    3 March 2018 21: 37
    My parents lived in Central Asia for a long time, I was born in Northern Kazakhstan, where there were only 2-3% of Kazakhs. And yet, when in 1991 I moved to Russia, received a plot of land, built a small house and moved my parents there, my mother said “No one will kick us out of here, we’ll die here.” All these years, my parents were afraid that the locals would kick the Russians out of their land, and that’s what happened in the end.
  70. +2
    3 March 2018 22: 41
    Quote: Kasym
    Victor, of course you have such a right, but many authors do not know the reality and have not been to the KZ for a long time or have not been at all.
    My friend rode last week in a cable car trailer from the Chimbulak ski base to Medeo. Together with him in it were separately a married couple and a grandmother with a granddaughter. They talked among themselves (a friend was a witness) - it turned out that both families were from Kiev (they began to question each other from which areas of the city and discuss the situation in Kiev). Sit back from this "chaos" in Ukraine. A Kazakh friend just managed to ask how they are here. They gratefully talk about the residents of Alma-Ata and KZ. They did not expect everyone to speak Russian. Ukrainians sit in the south of KZ in Central Asia and sometimes meet like this by accident. In the Kazakh SSR, we had them up to half a million. Among them, only, as a friend understood, grandmother lived here.
    I play futsal, yesterday only Nikita is so right. foot rehtanul that I do not know when the next. once I go - we play 3 times a week. Among us is Nikolai. He works for several years in rehabilitation, honey. in the center, so he is from Voronezh (he was born and lived there, his mother and family stayed there). "Everything suits, sometimes I go home."
    It's up to you to believe or not, but I’m not even 20 years old and I don’t see the point of embellishing or lying. hi

    All this is wonderful, but it’s not without reason that you drew attention to the fact that you are not 20 years old? What about those who are 20 years old? sad
  71. G.K
    0
    3 March 2018 22: 56
    Look at the composition of the police in Kazakhstan, 99,99% of them are exclusively Kazakhs.
  72. +2
    4 March 2018 05: 08
    Nazarbayev's decision is only his decision, will people follow him? I think not: and they won’t want to; and those who want to will not succeed.
    On the part of the Russians, it is obvious that Kazakhstan has chosen its own special path. At the same time, it’s a shame that he’s not with us. But there are few worries, rather indifference: a lot of negativity has accumulated in the relationship.
    Who else of the Russian speakers remains needs support, it must be provided - from moral to financial. From whom does the support come? - From society, from everyone who wants and can, on the basis of self-organization.
    It is a pity that the Foreign Ministry is not able to actively work with compatriots.
  73. 0
    4 March 2018 05: 53
    It is not the Latin alphabet that they should accept, but the Chinese characters. To Europe? How is Ukraine? No! To China - it will be an appendage of the Xinjiang Uyghur region...
  74. A.
    +1
    4 March 2018 07: 04
    Apparently, in the Latin alphabet it will be easier to lick the back seat of your new Washington master, Nazarbayev is in a hurry.
  75. A.
    +2
    4 March 2018 07: 07
    Quote: G.K
    Look at the composition of the police in Kazakhstan, 99,99% of them are exclusively Kazakhs.

    This has been the custom since ancient times; there is no need to work in the police.
    1. 0
      4 March 2018 08: 57
      Not only in the police: in all government bodies, law enforcement, security forces - almost exclusively Kazakhs, others are not allowed. But in economics, science, education there is a minimum of national personnel
      1. +1
        4 March 2018 13: 47
        Delirium is delusional.
        1. 0
          4 March 2018 16: 32
          The relevant data was recently published by the REGNUM news agency and can be found quite easily.
          1. 0
            4 March 2018 16: 59
            I live in Kazakhstan and, without searching on dubious resources, I see everything with my own eyes. I believe my eyes.
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  76. +3
    4 March 2018 08: 01
    Before the creation of the USSR, there was no trace of such a country as Kazakhstan...hehe
    This is gratitude for everything! Well, okay, we’re not the first to accept insults... We’ll see!
  77. +1
    4 March 2018 08: 52
    But, if you think hard, then it is Moscow with its oligarchic thieves who are robbing and killing the country that is to blame for the Latinization of Kazakhstan. With such a country, few people would want not only to be friends, but even to be a more or less loyal neighbor.
    I hope that the results of the elections on March 18 will either sweep away this gang, or force them to take into account the interests of the country and the people not in words, but in deeds.
    1. +3
      4 March 2018 09: 05
      Quote: NordUral
      But, if you think hard, then it is Moscow with its oligarchic thieves who are robbing and killing the country that is to blame for the Latinization of Kazakhstan. With such a country, few people would want not only to be friends, but even to be a more or less loyal neighbor.
      One of the few sane comments among an array of inappropriate statements.
      In Kazakhstan as a whole, “Military Review” is a fairly popular portal (as a sign of this, blocking in the Republic of Kazakhstan), but it is odious in the eyes of many Kazakhs. A kind of analogue of the Ukrainian Censor.net, for which I congratulate you all, dear Russians.
      Comments from Russian users serve as a kind of indicator for Kazakhs and the mood in Russian society. And to put it mildly, they are not very rosy. In general, Kazakhstan is slowly, as far as possible, “creeping away” from the Russian Federation, which is still suffering from imperial phantom pains..
      1. 0
        4 March 2018 13: 49
        No blocking.
        1. +2
          4 March 2018 19: 54
          There is a blocking
          1. 0
            5 March 2018 03: 35
            Well, apparently, the blocking is being lifted for me personally... I’m already tired of writing - I log in freely without any tricks, the only thing is that it takes longer to load if without a VPN.
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  78. 0
    4 March 2018 10: 00
    Quote: Lek38
    Soon, there will be no Kazakhs, no Azevs, no Jews, no Georgians, no Ukrainians, no Uzbeks, no Kyrgyz.
    And the Russians will tell the Russians what ungrateful neighbors are around.
    What are the slow balts, fascists, Ukrainians, h ... and Asians, h..i in the North Caucasus, well..y in the promised country, traders of az-ts, t ... s Georgians.
    The only salvation of them all is the Russian world, otherwise stupid Americans and LGBT Europeans will enslave them.
    Sick people what can I say, I will not generalize but the vast majority.
    Long live the Russian world and Mikhan’s sofa.


    And what is the actual tragedy???))) These are not the problems of the Russians, but of our “good” neighbors, who do not have the brains to understand that they exist as long as Russia exists....

    You have an Uzbek flag??? - So I joined the army as an internationalist to the core and bones, but on the very first evening, comrades from Uzbekistan told us that they wanted same-sex love from us - Russians... for which they were severely beaten, more than once... and It was in the Soviet army that I realized that the so-called “friendship of peoples” is a myth for Russians, and all nationalities live on their own wavelength and according to their own rules, much different from what we were taught at school... so don’t bother me frighten me by what I see on the streets of Moscow every day - everything is here....))))
  79. +1
    4 March 2018 10: 38
    Ilf and Petrov also grinned that “for the happiness of humanity, as it seemed obvious, there was not enough radio. But then radio came into life, but happiness still did not come.”
    Everyone is looking for the magic root to become a highly developed civilization and everyone in the world respects them. Now, for sure, with the Latin alphabet, everything will work out.
  80. +3
    4 March 2018 13: 46
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    I won’t go deeper, but I’ll say this – in Kazakhstan there were Karlag, Steplag, Algeria, a total of 7 largest camps, through which millions of citizens of the USSR passed. So, everything is correct. In the Karaganda, Akmola, West Kazakhstan and Kostanay regions there are many enterprises, the overwhelming majority of whose production forces were formed from prisoners. And now the descendants of this low-skilled slave force from the give-and-fetch category are starting to talk nonsense about the need to take away production enterprises. This is not why my ancestors went through a series of wars and conflicts defending the USSR, so that now some cowardly Nazis would attribute the heroism and achievements of the entire Soviet people to the Russians alone.
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      6 March 2018 11: 52
      Quote: romb
      7 largest camps through which millions of USSR citizens passed

      were they serfs?
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        6 March 2018 17: 46
        No, they were repressed for treason against the Motherland.
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          6 March 2018 18: 03
          Quote: romb
          They also fed and shod millions of serfs and civilians who ended up in the Kazakh steppe
  81. +1
    4 March 2018 14: 33
    Vasilenko Vladimir
    If this is important to you, then so be it, I won’t argue. Just read the archives of the Moscow Region. It’s not written there as you think. hi
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      6 March 2018 11: 55
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      If this is important to you, then so be it.

      But for you it’s not like that?
      for some reason the phrase the Russians won in WWII causes irritation, but the phrase the Kazakhs saved Moscow should cause delight
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        6 March 2018 13: 20
        Everyone saved Moscow. In the Siberian divisions there were Buryats and Yakuts and Chukchi and Russians. Kazakh divisions were called because of the place of formation. And political instructor Klochkov served in the 316th division commanded by General Panfilov. But it was formed in Alma-Ata. And pride What causes this is that they DEFENDED Moscow. And they did it all together. And as for irritation, any resident of Russia in Europe is considered RUSSIAN.
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          6 March 2018 14: 35
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          Kazakh divisions were called because of the place of formation.

          if by location, then Kazakh, but if by ethnicity, then yes - Kazakh
  82. 0
    6 March 2018 11: 03
    What's next?
    And nothing.
    Kazakhstan simply returned to the Soviet realities of the 30s. (Especially since relations with Turkey are different now.) As it was, so it will be.
    I’m ashamed for grown people to raise their voices in a glass.
  83. 0
    6 March 2018 17: 42
    As I understand it, the Institute of the Kazakh Language has exhausted itself and we had to give it work. Let them do whatever they want with their Kazakh language. None of the Kazakhs knew its writing, nor will they ever know it. For they cut down the roots and the branch on which they sit. At the folklore level, this unknown language is known by many in Kazakhstan. Write on it? I’m afraid you can’t even force the Kazakhs! And now even more so.
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      6 March 2018 20: 36
      Quote: alexxxz
      As I understand it, the Institute of the Kazakh Language has exhausted itself and we had to give it work. Let them do whatever they want with their Kazakh language. None of the Kazakhs knew its writing, nor will they ever know it. For they cut down the roots and the branch on which they sit. At the folklore level, this unknown language is known by many in Kazakhstan. Write on it? I’m afraid you can’t even force the Kazakhs! And now even more so.


      They force you to teach you how to write. Otherwise, huge problems may arise, including job loss.
  84. 0
    7 March 2018 09: 14
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    They also fed and shod millions of serfs and civilians who ended up in the Kazakh steppe

    So these millions, of course, could not eat or put on shoes themselves. And the Kazakh steppe is literally paradise on Earth! I'm laughing my ass off!
    1. 0
      7 March 2018 11: 57
      Why did you attribute this nonsense to me?
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      8 March 2018 11: 10
      do you need arguments?!
      you beat any evidence with your axiom Russian = colonialist-invader
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      8 March 2018 10: 42
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      When you are caught in chauvinism and falsification, you resort to the help of an admin.

      examples in the studio
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      8 March 2018 10: 41
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      You have never shared with anyone.

      I don’t even see the point in giving a HUGE NUMBER OF EXAMPLES

      p/s/ even the grave will not correct you, no matter how many baths you will write nasty things about Russians
  89. 0
    8 March 2018 11: 25
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    do you need arguments?!
    you beat any evidence with your axiom Russian = colonialist-invader
    <

    There would be proof, and then we would talk.
    1. 0
      8 March 2018 12: 54
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      That's just chauvinism as a certain part of Russian, they do not get sick.

      do you need to prove this post of yours wrong?!
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      You have never shared with anyone.

      or this?
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      8 March 2018 13: 17
      EAT WITH A SPOON FULL
      It seems strange that a Russian woman has no hostility towards the soldiers of the army with which her sons are fighting: Old Alexandra uses strong threads... to knit socks for me. Besides, the good-natured old woman cooks potatoes for me. Today I even found a piece of salted meat in the lid of my pot. She probably has supplies hidden somewhere. Otherwise, it’s impossible to understand how these people live here. There is a goat in Alexandra's barn. Many people don't have cows. And with all this, these poor people share their last good with us. Do they do this out of fear or do these people really have an innate sense of self-sacrifice? Or do they do it out of good nature or even out of love? Alexandra, she is 77 years old, as she told me, is illiterate. She can neither read nor write. After her husband's death, she lives alone. Three children died, the other three left for Moscow. It is clear that both of her sons are in the army. She knows that we are fighting against them, and yet she knits socks for me. The feeling of hostility is probably unfamiliar to her.
      Orderly Michels

      A Russian can be harsh, and then he knows no limits. And yet he is extremely good-natured and able to share the last piece of bread. In this polarity of his character lies the mystery of the Russian man and his incomprehensible feature for us, which cannot be taken into account in any way. This people is naturally healthy and whole... I learned above all to appreciate this people.
      Military priest Franz

      I can give other examples of compassion: for example, one nurse who stood at the camp gate every morning in the bitter cold. Those who did not have enough clothing were allowed by the guards to stay in the camp in winter, despite the protests of the camp authorities. Or a Jewish doctor in a hospital who saved the lives of more than one German, although they came as enemies. And finally, an elderly woman who, during the lunch break, at the train station in Volsk, shyly served us pickles from her bucket. It was a real feast for us. Later, before leaving, she came and crossed herself in front of each of us.
      Klaus Meyer
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      8 March 2018 13: 20
      eat some more

      “One day one of the team members turned to me. He was suffering seriously from toothache and asked me, who already spoke Russian, to accompany him to the clinic as a translator. We set off and went to the reception desk. The nurse listened to me attentively, looking sympathetically at his swollen cheek comrade, and I, stating our request, involuntarily thought about what this woman should think and feel now, seeing in front of her two Germans, prisoners of war, but recent opponents in a cruel war. “What would happen in a similar situation with Russian prisoners of war in Germany?" I asked myself. Most likely, they would have simply been immediately kicked out of the clinic. It is possible that because of these thoughts of mine, the nurse’s reaction to our request seemed like a miracle to me. Without further ado, the woman wrote out a medical card for my friend, politely and kindly escorted us to the dentist's office, kindly pointing out the place where we should wait for our turn to see the doctor, took the card into the office and returned to the reception desk.
      There was a long queue. Several benches along the walls in the corridor were not enough for half of the patients who wanted to see them. But suddenly... a second miracle - a doctor looked out of the office and invited us to come to her without waiting in line. In the office, while the doctor was treating a friend, I sat next to her, and she had a casual conversation with me, asking me about my fate with genuine interest. She was a young and very pretty woman; it was a pleasure to talk with her on any topic, even such as the unsweet fate of a prisoner of war.
      Having finished treating her friend, the doctor said: “Now you sit down - let’s see what your teeth are like!” I was taken aback. He answered with embarrassment that I had no complaints, and besides, I was not a member of the harmful workshop team. "Sit down!" - she repeated even more insistently, almost like an order.
      “Scurvy!” the doctor summed up, looking at my mouth. “We need to treat it! Otherwise, you won’t have teeth soon.”

      Alfred Gerbershagen from Siegen: “One Russian woman gave me, still just a boy prisoner, food during a work trip that lasted several months, so I could still give some of the bad camp food to my comrades. After the work trip ended, this woman continued to send me something to eat through her son. It's a pity that there is no way to thank these people. There I was able to feel what humanity is.”
    3. 0
      8 March 2018 13: 21
      look don't choke

      “Living near Mozhaisk, we realized what a special people the Russians are. All workers, and especially women, treated us as unfortunate people in need of help and protection. Sometimes the women would take our clothes, our linen, and return it all ironed, washed, mended. The most amazing thing was that the Russians themselves lived in monstrous need, which should have killed their desire to help us, their yesterday’s enemies.”
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      8 March 2018 13: 23
      Quote: Gorbatiy
      Any post on this thread is chauvinism and falsification.

      you need treatment!! fool
  92. +3
    8 March 2018 17: 27
    NF68,
    NF68,
    What does semi-wild mean? I'll take a look at their conditions later. There is some kind of arrogance on your part.
    Outside the KZ, about 30 thousand of our students study - half in the Russian Federation, 3 thousand in the PRC. At the expense of the state there are about 3 thousand students in the necessary specialties. Previously, Kazakhs were not accepted into that Baumanka under the USSR - under the USSR, in Alma-Ata, a million-strong city, there was... one Kazakh school. Look at the events in the Caucasus or the attitude towards guest workers from Central Asia - that’s why I write that international. relations are better - I advise you to go to the website of the Assembly of Peoples of Kazakhstan and then maybe you will understand something. hi
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  93. 0
    9 March 2018 06: 32
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    look don't choke

    “Living near Mozhaisk, we realized what a special people the Russians are. All workers, and especially women, treated us as unfortunate people in need of help and protection. Sometimes the women would take our clothes, our linen, and return it all ironed, washed, mended. The most amazing thing was that the Russians themselves lived in monstrous need, which should have killed their desire to help us, their yesterday’s enemies.”

    Why are you bringing bad literature here? There are no Strugatskys yet! There are no words anymore......
    1. 0
      9 March 2018 09: 33
      these are letters and memories of German prisoners of war fool
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      9 March 2018 09: 35
      you accuse ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE OF CHAUVINISM and at the same time babble about education
      Give an example of chauvinism on this thread, or apologize
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      9 March 2018 21: 24
      Quote: Zerek
      She also received all the property and all assets of the USSR.

      ??
      This is probably why they are still paying you for Baikonur, but they were paying ukram for the RUSSIAN city of Sevastopol
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          10 March 2018 12: 22
          Quote: Zerek
          In addition, the village of Baikonur and the city of Sevastopol are not property at all, Vasilenko.

          Who said?!
          these are cities of UNION SUBMISSION with houses, industrial facilities, infrastructure, etc.
          that is, the embassy building is property, but the launch complex and pier are not
          if it weren’t for the drunk who dreamed of the “first” chair, you would have seen the donut hole and not this “not property”
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              10 March 2018 17: 17
              There is no city without property. A-priory. And property is buildings, infrastructure, having different forms of ownership, including nunicipal (municipal).
            2. 0
              10 March 2018 17: 32
              Quote: Zerek
              Cities are separate, property is separate.

              well return the launch complex, thank God they returned Sevastopol themselves
              1. 0
                11 March 2018 18: 30
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                ok bring back the launch complex

                This already makes little sense. A course has been taken to transfer the main sites to Russian territory and a lot of money and effort have been invested in this.
                1. 0
                  11 March 2018 19: 21
                  let them return it and we’ll figure out the meaning
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    2. 0
      10 March 2018 09: 36
      At that time, there were no people willing to proportionally divide these assets and debts in the former Soviet republics. The whining and indignation began AFTER most of the debts were repaid.
    3. 0
      11 March 2018 18: 36
      Quote: Zerek
      She also received all the property and all assets of the USSR.

      But not all... the army, for example, was divided, but its weapons and other property are not a small asset. And an agreement was concluded with each state, including about the share of the national debt
  98. 0
    10 March 2018 09: 33
    We will soon show them Kuzka’s mother: we’ll take it and also switch to the Latin alphabet.
  99. 0
    10 March 2018 12: 15
    Zerek,
    Quote: Zerek
    The initiators of conflicts have always been the Russians, of course. Either the NF 68 is modestly silent

    just like that, categorically?!!!
    can you give examples?!!!!!
    I only witnessed one - 86
    but according to my mother, when Alma-Ata was “opened” and village residents began to move in en masse, it was they who started fights and pestered Russian girls on the streets
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        12 March 2018 16: 00
        Quote: Zerek
        So most likely it’s just typical Russian xenophobia (read hatred) towards the Kazakhs.

        fool
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            12 March 2018 18: 50
            Quote: Zerek
            It is typical for Russians to dislike or even hate Kazakhs.

            get treatment, there is no point in arguing, you are an example of the need for punitive medicine
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                13 March 2018 12: 27
                Quote: zarar
                you write that Kazakhs hate Russians and this is normal for you and is not nationalism, but Russians are Kazakhs

                and can you even provide a link to such a statement?
                Quote: zarar
                You are either insane or a hypocrite.

                no it's just you're a Nazi and a liar
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Then he wrote about 18 percent of Kazakhs in the Kazakh SSR
                Well, the truth was never a lie, another question is that the information was not for a wide circle
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Then, after I poked you in the face with evidence, I shut up.
                you didn't bring anything
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                And you also screwed up with slavery in Siberia.

                you screwed yourself because there was no slavery in the concept of SLAVE in the Republic of Ingushetia; moreover, a serf in court was equal to a master

                p/s/wait for the next Nazi ban
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                    13 March 2018 13: 35
                    Quote: zarar
                    These were not serfs, but slaves.

                    once again for the gifted, THERE WAS NO SLAVERY ON A LEGAL BASIS IN RI, similar crimes exist today in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but this does not give the right to claim that slavery flourishes in Kazakhstan
                    Quote: zarar
                    I've already brought it a hundred times. What a hypocritical scum you are.
                    https://topwar.ru/113293-nazarbaev-rasporyadilsya
                    -perevesti-kazahskiy-yazyk-na-latinicu.html#comme
                    nt-id-6832438
                    https://topwar.ru/137597-kazahstan-vklyuchen-v-ch
                    islo-50-ti-samyh-vygodnyh-dlya-prozhivaniya-stran
                    .html # comment-id-7989444

                    why are you talking nonsense again?
                    China will not fight with us, but it will take Mongolia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and no one will stop it. Who the hell needs you to fight for you? The only thing we will do is repatriate our Russian fellow tribesmen to their homeland.
                    where is the insult to the Kazakhs as a people?!
                    the second quote which you simply took out of context
                    China will not fight with us, but it will take Mongolia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and no one will stop it. Who the hell needs you to fight for you? The only thing we will do is repatriate our Russian fellow tribesmen to their homeland. So China will eat you. There is a nuance here. China needs territory for settlement and minerals, but it does not need natives for labor. The question will arise: what should we do with you natives? And since there is a colossal gender imbalance in China (the number of men exceeds the number of women by eighty million), then most likely the aborigines are used to solve a sexual problem. Aboriginal women will be distributed to Chinese bachelors, and young Aboriginal males will be distributed to Chinese barracks for sexual slavery. That's all. You will disappear altogether and that’s the way to go
                    WHERE is the insult here?!!!
                    you are an ordinary Nazi, who most likely was regularly spanked by boys for his character traits in childhood, and now you are trying to take out your childhood grievances through Nazism
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                    13 March 2018 13: 36
                    Quote: zarar
                    It is known solely from your words. There is no evidence of this anywhere. That is a blatant lie. More precisely, the implementation of your complexes

                    find people close to the leadership of the Kazakh SSR and ask
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    11 March 2018 18: 24
    Quote: Zerek
    The initiators of conflicts have always been the Russians, of course. Either the NF 68 is modestly silent


    Yeah. An old and so familiar song. Only Russians are always “to blame” for everything, and so on all over the globe. And even the Russians are also to blame for the fact that in the bare steppes of Kazakhstan the Russians, Ukrainians, Germans and Belarusians did not manage to build anything?
    Or I'm wrong.
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        12 March 2018 17: 01
        Quote: Zerek
        No more old and familiar than the old barrel organ that Russians are offended everywhere and by everyone. Moreover, even in their own country (Caucasians and Central Asians, as well as Jews) and the army (Dagestanians)


        Yeah. These bad Russians are everywhere. Everyone except them is good and only the Russians are to blame for everything. Are they to blame for the fact that in Kazakhstan, Russian-Germans, Ukrainians and Belarusians, after the end of the Civil War, built schools, hospitals, highways and railways, bridges, industrial enterprises, hydro and thermal power plants, developed agriculture, etc., etc.?
        If you personally or your relatives at one time really took part in what was created in Kazakhstan precisely by the Russians and Co., you could really appreciate everything that was done for Kazakhstan and at what cost it was given to the people who were directly involved in all this. And since all this was done by others, then why worry too much. Over in Ukraine, the horses are also accustomed to freebies in the form of cheap gas and oil from the USSR and still cannot come to terms with the fact that soon they will be completely deprived of that freebie and the horses will be left with nothing but empty pipes.
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            12 March 2018 18: 49
            Quote: Zerek
            It’s like my grandfathers were awarded one with the Red Banner of Labor, the other with a Badge of Honor

            You’re lying, it can’t be that the Kazakhs were hated and oppressed
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                13 March 2018 12: 33
                Quote: zarar
                In Koenigsberg, the doctors say they are quite good.
                envy silently

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