In "Almaz-Anthea" talked about the difficulties with the new AAMS C-500

Prometheus’s Russian anti-aircraft missile system C-500 will outperform American THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense), but its tests “do not do without objective difficulties,” said Designer General, Deputy Director General of the concern. Almaz-Antey »Pavel Sozinov.

We carried out most of the tests of previous generation systems in this class using landfills that are now in the territories of neighboring states, and the inconvenience that arose did not disappear even today.

- noted the developer.

According to him, “C-500 ZRS is classified as the fifth generation system, and it will solve, among other things, anti-missile defense (ABM) tasks”.

We strive to significantly surpass, by many characteristics, the achievements that have been implemented by the Americans in the mobile anti-missile system THAAD

- said the developer.

Compared to the existing C-400, the new system “will be completely different structurally and technically, will have new location and computing facilities, new anti-aircraft guided missiles,” explained Sozinov.

Another important point - and this is a global trend - the basic modes of operation in the C-500 SAMs will be automatic. That is, the intervention of a human operator during combat operations is assumed, but the basic mode of all C-500 facilities separately, and of the system as a whole, is automatic.

- said the designer.

Comments

[taiga2018]

that is, while it’s "damp", but I think it’s normal, they’ll finalize it.

[rotmistr60]

About "damp" is it you yourself thought up? There is not a word about this in the article. Difficulties in test sites.

located in the territories of neighboring states, and the inconvenience that occurred

[maxim947]

Good luck to the designers and the whole team, everything will work out.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: taiga2018

that is, while "damp"

Have you tried reading? Or is there enough headline?
After all, it is clearly stated what the difficulties are:

We carried out most of the tests of previous generation systems in this class using landfills that are now in the territories of neighboring states, and the inconvenience that arose did not disappear even today.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Vladimir16

it’s clear what the difficulties are

it’s ridiculous to explain all the difficulties only with the inaccessibility of some polygons, especially if it is Russia with its huge capabilities in the question of polygons, and if this explanation is given by the general designer ...

[ul_vitalii]

Kazakhstan seems to fall out of the cage, we do not have enough steppe open spaces, it’s not enough to get into the goal, but we also need to find and study it, only look for time to lose in the taiga.

[Monos]

Quote: taiga2018

it’s ridiculous to explain all the difficulties only with the inaccessibility of some polygons

Not funny. The characteristics of the complex are such that the existing landfills do not allow it to be tested at extreme conditions. And this does not allow to identify and correct subtle points. This is what we are talking about.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: taiga2018

Quote: Vladimir16

it’s clear what the difficulties are

it’s ridiculous to explain all the difficulties only with the inaccessibility of some polygons, especially if it is Russia with its huge capabilities in the question of polygons, and if this explanation is given by the general designer ...

Well, then the work is underway, and there have always been difficulties.
As for polygons - this is of course an exaggeration.
The Americans decided this maneuver at the stage of acceleration, reduce speed and range.

[Andrey Ivanov]

Quote: taiga2018

that is, while it’s "damp", but I think it’s normal, they’ll finalize it.

You did not pay attention to one moment - the S-500 is already being tested and the adoption of this complex is a matter of the near future. And if you take into account all the statements of GDP at the Meeting, then I would not be surprised if by the year 20, the S-500 will go into series.

[Thrall]

The adversary needs to carry misinformation on all fronts

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Thrall

The adversary needs to carry misinformation on all fronts

There is no point. This adversary must be clearly posed before the fact. It must clearly understand how and with what they will beat him, otherwise he will have the illusion of impunity.

[newcomer]

the only problem is the extra eyes, as I understand it. I almost got bored with the headline.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: newbie

I almost got bored with the headline.

well and "Antey" "banter" may !!

[bazzbazz]

As without difficulties. Of course, it is strange to hear that Russia does not have territories and sites for testing) The main thing is that everything is technically ready and in the near future!

[Orionvit]

carried out using landfills now located in the territories of neighboring states

Since when is Kapustin Yar located on the territory of neighboring states? Similar systems have been tested there since the 50s.

[Bully]

Cramped, you see, the S-500 in Cap Yar

[shinobi]

The dimensions of this training ground do not allow five hundredths to be fully tested. It has a combat radius of 500 km horizontally and 100-300 km in height depending on the rocket. Now take a map and look at the size of the Kapustin Yar. They should be tested as strategic. Launched in one training ground and debris fell on the other, flying 1/8 of the country if from north to south and 1/20 if from west to east. Too much for one landfill.

[Orionvit]

Quote: shinobi

The dimensions of this landfill do not allow to fully experience the five hundredth

I agree, I did not take this parameter into account. On the other hand, a similar problem may worry the Vatican, but not Russia at all.

[Cube123]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: shinobi

The dimensions of this landfill do not allow to fully experience the five hundredth

I agree, I did not take this parameter into account. On the other hand, a similar problem may worry the Vatican, but not Russia at all.

The lack of space for such a training ground in Ukraine led to the erroneous defeat of a civilian aircraft over the Black Sea on October 4, 2001. Now put the route maps of civilian flights on the map of the country and try to find guaranteed free zones.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Cube123

The lack of space for such a training ground in Ukraine led to the erroneous defeat of a civilian aircraft over the Black Sea on October 4, 2001.

The erroneous defeat of the Russian civilian aircraft over the Black Sea was caused not by the lack of space, but by the lack of combat training of the Ukrainian air defense calculations. Moreover, all modern ground-to-air missiles (even MANPADS) have a friend-or-foe identification module. Who needs to be, in our time, to bring down something other than the goal?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: shinobi

The dimensions of this training ground do not allow five hundredths to be fully tested. It has a combat radius of 500 km horizontally and 100-300 km in height depending on the rocket. Now take a map and look at the size of the Kapustin Yar. They should be tested as strategic. Launched in one training ground and debris fell on the other, flying 1/8 of the country if from north to south and 1/20 if from west to east. Too much for one landfill.

Shhh !!! ))) According to the data that you are voicing, it turns out that they are testing a medium-range missile) But the Russian Federation fulfills the RSDM agreement on this, this cannot be)

[igor.borov775]

Hello!! What a fright they write about KAPYAR here, Other problems have always been brought up on Balkhash, A test system and a route for the movement of air defense and missile defense products have been created there,

[Piramidon]

Quote: igor.borov775

Hello!! What a fright they write about KAPYAR here, Other problems have always been brought up on Balkhash, A test system and a route for the movement of air defense and missile defense products have been created there,

Sary-Shagan polygon (Balkhash) is located in Kazakhstan. That's about the problems with the former Soviet republics in the article and write. Apparently the Kazakhs are slowly squeezing us out of there. And Kapustin Yar is offered here as an alternative.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: igor.borov775

Hello!! What a fright they write about KAPYAR here, Other problems have always been brought up on Balkhash, A test system and a route for the movement of air defense and missile defense products have been created there,

in more detail please ... and more slowly ... I am recording ...

[Bully]

Quote: newbie

the only problem is the extra eyes, as I understand it. I almost got bored with the headline.

The problem is significant, since this system must be super secret by definition. The landfill in the Kazakh steppe is an ideal place for testing, but given the rapprochement between the leadership of Kazakhstan and the United States, etc., top-secret is clearly at risk.

[newcomer]

colleague, so this is understandable. therefore, I say that the only problem, as always, is extra eyes. mean, everything is a bunch from the technical side. Well, since they launched the production of the 500th.

[The Siberian barber]

For a country with a territory occupying 1/6 of the surface, a problem with polygons ??
Shaw, all built up cottages ???

[Sheridan]

And you, comrade, will not be military men, an al nobleman with flat feet?

[The Siberian barber]

And, you, comrade, for what purpose, now have you asked a question?)) Al offended by what?)))
And you are not surprised by what is happening: we build ships without engines for them, create new systems without polygons for testing ... ??

[Mountain shooter]

The sizes of the polygons, I believe, became very large for testing Are Kazakhs harming? Or who?

[Alexey-74]

I still do not understand the objective difficulties in the absence of polygons and all .......? Or the fact that all the same air defense systems is the latest fifth-generation technology with a completely different filling and the practical absence of a person

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexey-74

I still do not understand the objective difficulties in the absence of polygons and all .......? Or the fact that all the same air defense systems is the latest fifth-generation technology with a completely different filling and the practical absence of a person

Judging by the statement of the general director of the Almaz-Antey concern, everything rests on the training ground (not a word about other problems). Everything else depends on the level of imagination of the local "experts".

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The sizes of the polygons, I believe, became very large for testing Are Kazakhs harming? Or who?

We used to test it in Cap-Yar, but there the range doesn’t allow you to intercept further than 100 km. To test the maximum capabilities in combat conditions, you need to launch the target from afar. Do we have many testing ranges for missiles with dimensions of at least 500 * 500 km? fall on settlements or some other objects. Kazakhs will have a s-500 test, but you need to get a number of permissions for each test, because launching targets from Cap-yar does. It’s not so easy to launch a ballistic missile into the territory of another country. In fact, only 1-2 launches per year can be carried out. That's slow.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Xscorpion

Do we have many testing ranges for missiles, at least 500 * 500 km in size?

And at what test site did the S-400 test at a range of 400 km?

[gukoyan]

The waters of the Black Sea, why not a testing ground?
You can close part of the sea routes, say at launch time, and warships will protect the area.

[Glory1974]

The waters of the Black Sea, why not a testing ground?

Air defense work on the sea is different from land work. As a rule, a rocket is first taught to fly above the ground, and then adapted to the sea.

[Piramidon]

Quote: gukoyan

The waters of the Black Sea, why not a testing ground?

Debris is inconvenient to collect Diving is necessary.

[Labor]

Read between the lines: "We carried out most of the tests of previous generation systems in this class using landfills that are now in the territories of neighboring states, and the inconvenience that arose did not disappear even today."Therefore, we will conduct tests at a training ground near the military bases of Hmeimim and Tartus.

[Grits]

Here are those on! We were told from all the irons in our ears that the S-400 is the most super-duper. But it turned out that we were only trying to catch up and overtake the already existing THAAD of our S-500.

[Lenivets2]

THAAD is a missile defense, and S-400 air defense (with limited missile defense capabilities).
They have different tasks.

[turbris]

Quote: Orionvit

Moreover, all modern ground-to-air missiles (even MANPADS) have a friend-or-foe identification module

This system works only with Russian consumers using the installed code, in Ukraine there are completely different codes, so in this case the identification system could not help out.

[turbris]

Quote: Gritsa

We were told from all the irons in our ears that the S-400 is the most super-duper.

It’s you yourself hanging noodles on your ears, air defense and missile defense - these are different things they should not be confused, read carefully.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

This is a partial disclosure of the concept - on new principles.
With the disclosure of automation, we might not have bothered, and so we guess, but we can predict the future, for example:
1. You can’t defeat a hypersonic head with any anti-ballistic missile; you need a field through which missiles and just shells, even scrap, will be neutralized, and people must survive or not be allowed into such zones.
2. The laser is good, silent and fast. It is not known how powerful and range, it is one thing to use in a vacuum, and another in a gas or water environment.
- When there will be flying saucers or carpets, planes, without quotes, is a very serious question in the continuation of the development of new principles.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Town Hall

Quote: Xscorpion

Do we have many testing ranges for missiles, at least 500 * 500 km in size?

And at what test site did the S-400 test at a range of 400 km?

The S-400 did not shoot down ballistic targets in Kazakhstan, so there were no problems with this. And so the main tests were carried out on the Cap Yare. In my opinion, the S-400 ballistic targets at 40 km (too lazy to google) can only be shot down, Kap-yar is allows.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: gukoyan

The waters of the Black Sea, why not a testing ground?
You can close part of the sea routes, say at launch time, and warships will protect the area.

Most of the Black Sea is not the territory of Russia unfortunately. You can’t just launch a ballistic missile out of the country without coordination with neighboring countries and without notifying the member countries of the nuclear club.

[barsuk-50mail.ru]

States are a great training ground. Can you test them?