On the abdication of Nicholas II Alexandrovich

Some say that the abdication of Emperor Nicholas II Aleksandrovich from the “Throne of the State of Russia” was a volitional act, a manifestation of personal strength and courage. Others argue that there was no abdication of the last Russian emperor at all. And yet, this renunciation was the place to be. I suppose that Nikolai II Aleksandrovich was only afraid that he would repeat the fate of his great-great-grandfather Emperor Pavel I Petrovich, who was hit by a snuff box from the inner circle by conspirators from his closest circle, and then suffocated with a scarf. Therefore, Nicholas II Alexandrovich decided for himself for the benefit of simply renouncing ...

Why did the king-sovereign ultimately abdicate, abdicating the throne? During the reign, he was anointed by the Russian Orthodox Church, according to the teaching of which the “Holy Confirmation of Kings is a religious rite, which informs them of the grace of the Holy Spirit for strengthening the fulfillment of the highest ministry on earth” Dmitry Sokolov. St. Petersburg., 1894, p. 107). Having renounced the reign, Nicholas II Alexandrovich also denied perfect sacrament, therefore - he denied the Church, therefore - he denied Orthodoxy, therefore - he denied faith, therefore - he denied Christ. Thus, Nikolay II Aleksandrovich became the apostate and the Christ-seller.

I in no way revolt against the Russian Orthodox Church, who canonized Nicholas II Alexandrovich, but only share my thoughts. I would be glad if someone refutes my assertions or proves the opposite.

By the way, why is Pavel I Petrovich still not canonized? ...

Comments

[Cat]

Well, everyone sailed!

[Basil50]

You are not right.
The legality-illegality of renunciation is haunting many. Won the white movement are already trying to ascribe the saints. Either one, then the other, and then they participate in blackmail during renunciation, then the river of blood spilled, then an open service to a foreign state.

[already a Muscovite]

Quote: Vasily50

Won the white movement are already trying to ascribe the saints.

So the white movement did not seem to set itself the goal of restoring the monarchy ... Or is it not?

[lwimu1976]

Quote: Vasily50
Won the white movement are already trying to ascribe the saints.

And why not? They returned to capitalism! The party leader calls on the monarchy! The revolution!
(Personally, I am opposed.)

[wer2]

Quote: lwimu1976

Returned to capitalism!

Another "back in capitalism."
Dear, there is such a science, political economy. It says (and historically proven) that after the slave system IS ALWAYS is coming feudalrather than capitalist.
I highly recommend that you listen to this science. And continue not to write nonsense.
Yes, and here also, capitalism in Russia very formally (there was a war) lasted only 10 months. After which the bourgeois revolution in Russia was suppressed by the Bolshevik reactionaries. These are they really were "revolutionaries."

[lwimu1976]

Thank you! And what about the jumped capitalism and socialism with a "human face?"
Another "back in capitalism."
It's about the present time! Are you an economist? Not Khazin M.? Guilty! Yasin !?
Once again, it’s to blame! We currently have a FEUDAL MARKET!
And Zhirinovsky RIGHT! Monarchy!
Thank you for teaching!

[wer2]

Quote: lwimu1976

But what about the jumped capitalism and socialism with a "human face?"

"Socialism", contrary to the tales of the Bolshevik Communists, is a very low level of development of human society. If we discard the Bolshevik-communist verbal interventions (verbal nonsense, if in a simple way), then "socialism" in the USSR is a theocratic, on a pseudo-religious (sectarian type) basis, slave-owning society. In terms of the development of society, this design was even inferior to Romanov’s Russia (autocracy). She was a theocratic feudal state.
Therefore, it is first degrading from the beginnings of bourgeois society to feudalism (this is the deed of the Bolshevik-advisers of Ulyanov), and then from feudalism to the slave-owning society (this is the deed of the Bolshevik-Socialism Dzhugashvili) it is impossible to "jump over capitalism". Because he is in the other direction, towards the development of society. And not its degradation.

Quote: lwimu1976

We currently have a FEUDAL MARKET!

I already wrote to you earlier, about the slave-owning state of society in case of its development development INEVITABLY feudalism sets in. AND IN NO CASE not capitalism. To the bourgeois level, society must be expensive. A fair amount of years boiled in "feudal juice."

[lwimu1976]

So today are we in what juice?
For brevity I will be grateful!

Dear, there is such a science, political economy.
(I had to study the economy of Water Transport as well.)

[wer2]

Quote: lwimu1976

You tell me about the political economy of socialism

Yes, there was one.

Quote: lwimu1976

So today are we in what juice?
For brevity I will be grateful!

Is it really incomprehensible? I chewed everything in detail.
In addition, you yourself a little higher correctly identified.

[zoolu350]

And for the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and the Russian Orthodox Church serving him, it doesn’t matter what white wanted to restore. They were against the Reds and therefore already holy.

[wer2]

Quote: already a Muscovite

the white movement did not seem to set itself the goal of restoring the monarchy ...

Of course it didn’t. It was not for this that they made a revolution in Russia in February-March 1917.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Dear alber,

Thanks for your interest in my last name. Just want to make a reservation that I am not a nationalist.

The name of the river fish "Guster", from which my surname derives, is known in the Upper Volga region, especially in the Yaroslavl and Gorky regions. My father - Vyacheslav Mikhailovich - from the Yaroslavl region, hence the surname ... Grandfather - Mikhail Alekseevich, grandmother - Praskovia Nikolaevna (Pushkova). For completeness of information: the grandfather on the mother - Pavel Petrovich Sinyakov - from the peasants of the Smolensk province, the grandmother - Natalya Frolovna (Alekseeva) - from the same ...

[Alber]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Thanks for your interest in my last name. Just want to make a reservation that I am not a nationalist.

And to you for your biography)

[rkkasa xnumx]

Dear ... I want to make a reservation ... and the hunt you had to make excuses to Natsik somehow?

[Pavel Gusterin]

It is necessary to talk with everyone: what if a person thinks and stops paying attention to how the last names sound, or at least paying attention to others ...

[Finches]

The rag-king made a huge number of mistakes during his reign, but he made the greatest when he decided to stand at the head of the army, appointing himself Supreme, after which the Empire, standing on the edge of the abyss, confidently took a step forward .... and this fall it was already impossible to stop by any abdication! This was in fact the agony of agony and neither harm nor benefit did such a step bring to the state! And canonization - holy, not holy - these are political games of our time, in fact, they have little relation to the true Faith! The top hierarchs of the church decided to simply lick at a sufficiently large stratum of the liberal "elite" who were in the echelons of power in the late 90s, personally the winner of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Boris Alkash for buns, well, to the delight of a suffering brain monorchism, such as the master of all Russia Mikhalkov, Govorukhin , who lost something in 1917 and future patients on the head of deputies who have a fad on Nikolai, such as Poklonskaya!

[verner1967]

Quote: Finches

made a huge number of mistakes during his reign, but he made the biggest when he decided to stand at the head of the army, appointing himself Supreme

renounced - made a mistake, headed - made a mistake again .... however, figure out what he needed to do, iksperd.

[Finches]

Itching to stomp? Or was it insulting for the tsar’s king? Where did you see the contradiction in me?

[zoolu350]

Nicholas number 2 what to do? Substitute his head under the sword of the samurai who attacked him.

[albert]

Quote: zoolu350

Substitute his head under the sword of the samurai who attacked him.

He was pulled along the kumpol not with a katana (samurai sword), but with a Prussian cleaver, which was then in service with the Japanese police. And what could be an alternative-history!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Finches

appointing herself Supreme, after that the Empire, standing on the edge of the abyss, confidently took a step forward.

After the appointment of the Emperor in 1915, the front line stood almost unshakably February 1918collapsing AFTER 4 months of "reign" of bald foreign tourists.
This is a fact.
Bald tourists led the country to the Russian Cross and the disaster of 1991 - do not forget this FACT.
By the way, Brest betrayal actually determined TODAY's western border of Russia - also a fact.

[Opera]

Hello, Olgovich. Well, you're not a stupid person! Is this an article ?! What information does she carry? It is an insult. Open, arrogant and vile! Simply put, this is a spit unfortunately the next in the Holy King of the Passion-Bearer! And look how instantly the turn came to spit, insult ... They push each other with their elbows. to insult a little more! Have you ever paid attention to what kind of hatred sometimes causes in some people-like simple small chapels, which for example are being built now in the districts of Moscow? They are ready to stand for hours and count how many people donated to such a small church attached to the fence in a small box! The name of the last Russian tsar causes them simply Satanic hatred of the reasons for which they themselves can not fully understand! And the reason is simple - demons! And here is what I saw here just this demon! You yourself see it, Olgovich! Have you read the works of Ivan Solonevich? So his words about how we healthy Russian Orthodox peasants allowed all this to happen?!?!?! And he himself simply answers this without removing his guilt and from himself - not the Jews, not all this variegated shushera, not foreign intelligence, is to blame first of all! We ourselves are to blame - the Russians! It was not necessary to turn away bashfully when these scoundrels and scum scabbly jokes about the Queen told! The face had to be beaten! So much so that there was time to lie down and think for a long time that it is impossible to spank your Russian Tsar and Tsarina with your slobbery mouth! It is troublesome, and maybe even harmful to health!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Oper

Hello, Olgovich. Well, you're not a stupid person! Is this an article ?! What information does she carry? it insult ... this is precisely the rage! .

Hello Oper! I agree with you

Quote: Oper

! And he himself simply answers this without removing his guilt and from himself - not the Jews, not all this variegated shushera, not foreign intelligence, are to blame first of all! We ourselves are to blame - the Russians! It was not necessary to turn away bashfully when these scoundrels and scum scabbly jokes about the Queen told! The face had to be beaten! So much so that there was time to lie down and think for a long time that it is impossible to spank your Russian Tsar and Tsarina with your slobbery mouth! It is troublesome, and maybe even harmful to health!

And here I agree. I know about my ancestors known to me that I honestly fought in the Russo-Turkish, in the RYAV and the Great Patriotic War (great-grandfather of a war disabled person), they were not involved in the October 1917 disaster ...

[Opera]

Ivan Solonevich is widely known in the West and has long been suppressed by our publicist, thinker, public figure and historical writer. A true patriot of Russia. Recently, the film "The Last Knight of the Empire" was released on CT. An amazing and difficult fate for this man and his family. His works and articles are written surprisingly simple and intelligible. A man wrote and thought about what he was witnessing.
Of course we are to blame for everything before ourselves! The scoundrels had to be beaten on time! And, as for my ancestors, they fought in all the wars (as far as I know) that Russia waged, including the Great Patriotic War. Among them were awarded and repressed, but more dispossessed. And all the time I was worried about the question - for what ?! The answer is this - but for the fact that the families were big! There were many men and many people who worked and didn’t live badly and the horses were in the household and all other animals and Cossacks. This is to blame. No other "crimes" were committed!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Oper

what ?! The answer is this - but for the fact that sevenand were big! There were many men and many people who worked and didn’t live badly and the horses were in the household and all other animals and Cossacks. This is to blame.

Yeah, they did it well. Unlike anything else ...

[Opera]

Here is a comrade from the bottom about ordinary people worried. So my ancestors were mostly these simple people! And my great-grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers both on their paternal and maternal side had 5 and 6 and 8 children! And not one of them died of hunger, thank God! And some became literate officers, although they were born and lived, as they later began to say in the "prison of nations"!

[82т11]

You don’t get off the topic here. The author clearly asks why Nicholas 2 was made a saint? If he refused the word given to God to be king of this country? Yes, even in the church!
And for comparison, take the lives of other saints! And it turns out that Nicholas 2 was made a saint due to the fact that his reds killed, so they still killed many people, why not make them saints? Or maybe the origin did not come out?

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: 82т11

If he refused the word given to God to be king of this country

Well, then God will ask him. What are you doing with Pavel Gusterin? He did not give you a word, it was your ancestors who kissed him on the cross, and the Kings did not take the oath to the serfs. So why should the red-bellied Kings be judged?

Quote: 82т11

And for comparison, take the lives of other saints!

Take the lives of the first Russian saints Boris and Gleb and see the analogy with Nicholas.

[82т11]

My maternal ancestors were Cossacks, it’s a shame for them to know something like that! After all, spit the Cossacks like Nicholas 2 on your oath, and if you look at the Reds, there would be less repression. And in history books in the USSR they would write that the revolution occurred in the interests of the working people: peasants, workers and Cossacks!

[zoolu350]

Yes, your idols tried until 1917. common people face to beat. But the people tore their heads off. And the fact that you are bulkhrust, in this state of affairs is to blame, then the real truth.

[Olgovich]

Quote: zoolu350

Yes, your idols tried until 1917. common people face to beat.

How YOUR idols have starved millions of ordinary people, deported ordinary people by millions, shot them with hundreds of thousands, as you were forbidden to choose, to read, so it wasn’t anywhere in the world.

Quote: zoolu350

And the fact that you are bulkhrust, in this state of affairs is to blame, then the real truth.

Yeah, you sandblasted ruled, and ALL others are to blame.

[82т11]

Did Bloody Sunday also be organized by the Reds?
I was particularly struck by the tsar’s words in the then press about the fact that he forgives the workers ((this is how you should not understand your people what would blurt out!

[Olgovich]

Quote: 82т11

Did Bloody Sunday also be organized by the Reds?

Pink But in fact, yes, they are.
What did you lead to? Compared with 1937-38, when every day, during the course of the year, FIFTEEN bloody Sundays were shot?

[82т11]

That is, with the fact that Nicholas 2 did not understand his people, do you agree?

And I wrote this to the fact that it is impossible to compare different historical eras (and tsarist and communist Russia are different things) and hang these labels better and those are worse! If there had been no tsarism in Russia there would have been no communism, these are two sides of the same coin. Indeed, in the capitalist countries there were no revolutions!

[Olgovich]

Quote: 82т11

about is that Nicholas 2 did not understand his people do you agree?

WHERE do I agree?

Quote: 82т11

and (and tsarist and communist Russia are two different things)

Of course, different: in a normal country (tsarist Russia) there was no mention of what was in the comm

millions of ordinary people were starved to death, millions of ordinary people were exiled, hundreds of thousands were shot by him, as they were forbidden to choose, read-

Quote: 82т11

. After all, in capitalist countries of revolution were not

And what was Russia? WHICH class overthrew Ilic?

[82т11]

1. If the opponent responds to part of the comment, then he agrees with the rest.
2. Let's not measure who killed how much, otherwise I’ll start to remember how Peter 1 built Petersburg and peasant uprisings.
3. Do you seriously argue that from February to October 1917 we have a ball of capitalism?

[wer2]

Quote: 82т11

from February to October 1917 do we have a capitalism ball?

From March 17 to January 18. Until the end of the Bolshevik coup. In its infancy, but nonetheless he was. After all, there was a bourgeois revolution.

[82т11]

For the advent of the bourgeois system of governance, too little time has passed.

Rather, this time can be called the 1st stage of the revolution in Russia. When the system of governance and Russia as a state collapsed. And such a thing as power will not be abandoned for a long time. Here are the red ones and captured.

[Olgovich]

Quote: 82т11

1. If the opponent responds to part of the comment, then he agrees with the rest.

He responds to what interests him, nothing more.

Quote: 82т11

2. Let's not measure who killed how much, otherwise I’ll start to remember how Peter 1 built Petersburg and peasant uprisings.

We will be. No way without it. And why does the state exist? For your own sake? Or, after all, for people?

Quote: 82т11

Do you seriously claim that from February to October 1917 we have a capitalism ball?

Ilyich-WHO overthrew? capitalist class.

[82т11]

1. You are not a foreigner in their case; they are also interested in strange logic; here I’m not interested))
any problem has several faces. So Nicholas 2 judging by his actions did not understand his people.

2. The state exists for people and acts as people allow it. So do not rely on modern morality to condemn the ancestors, they lived as they considered right. And since we are now talking here, we were right.

3. In Russia there was no capitalism as a system, but there was a coup, but the conspirators could not hold power in the country. And once again I want to draw attention to the fact that in the countries where there was a capitalist SYSTEM OF MANAGEMENT and not some kind of beginnings of the communist revolution there was not.

[wer2]

Quote: 82т11

For the advent of the bourgeois system of governance, too little time has passed.

Rather, to consolidate power. Not all revolutions are successful. The bourgeois revolution in Russia in March-February 1917 was suppressed. What is interesting here is that it was suppressed not by the previous government, but by a third party.

Quote: 82т11

Rather, this time can be called the 1st stage of the revolution in Russia. When the system of governance and Russia as a state collapsed.

Well no. I would not say that the control system was destroyed. Elections to the Constituent Assembly were able to hold.
Another thing is that the reactionary putschists (Bolsheviks) were devilishly cunning. They declared one thing, but ALWAYS did the other. And did not shun any methods to maintain their power. Even the most vile.

Quote: 82т11

And such a thing as power will not be abandoned for a long time. Here are the red ones and captured.

I do not agree. There was no abandonment of power. But before its transfer to the Constituent Assembly, 2,5 months remained. Therefore, no one began to bother with the Bolsheviks over these 2,5 months.
А зря.

[wer2]

Quote: 82т11

in countries where there was a capitalist MANAGEMENT SYSTEM and not some kind of germ of the communist revolution was not.

In countries with a well-established bourgeois form of society, this is simply not possible. The gap between the relic consciousness of the Communists and the much more advanced consciousness of the members of bourgeois society is too great. It's just that the number of mastodons in such a society is so small that the Communists resolve by themselves. No electorate, in short.

[82т11]

So we came to the conclusion that in Russia at that time there was no well-established bourgeois form of society, which means Russia moved from tsarism to communism. And the time of the Provisional Government can be called a transition period from one management system to another.

[wer2]

Quote: 82т11

So we came to the conclusion that in Russia at that time there was no established bourgeois form of society

So nobody argues with that. Russia passed to capitalism only in March 1917. What could have settled down during this time?

Quote: 82т11

which means Russia has moved from tsarism to communism.

Tsarism in Russia, in the 20th century, is a feudal theocratic state.
Communism ... This form of society has never existed and will never exist. This is fiction, fake. Go to the fake impossible.
In fact, after the Civil War of the RSFSR and the USSR, through the efforts of Ulyanov, they switched to a secular form of building a state on a feudal basis.
Watch your hands: theocratic feudalism of the Romanovs in the course of the bourgeois revolution (jerk forward) was replaced by secular capitalism of the Constituent Redemption. And the last one in the course reactionary coup (jerk back) was replaced by secular feudalism of Ulyanov. In the bottom line, in comparison with tsarism, we have a theocratic society replaced by secular society (this is a type of ideological superstructure, it has changed radically) with the economic base unchanged (feudalism).
The revolution from the "revolutionaries" -Bolsheviks did not even smell, but it smelled quite the contrary.
All this is true only until December 1927. Until the victory of Dzhugashvili in the internal bickering of the Bolsheviks.

Quote: 82т11

And the time of the Provisional Government can be called a transition period from one management system to another.

This government was called provisional (absolutely legitimate) due to the fact that its power was limited in time until January 1918. When the power was to go to the Constituent Assembly. No transition was supposed anywhere, because the bourgeois revolution in the country ALREADY HAPPENED. In March 1917, even before the formation of the Provisional Government.

[Weyland]

Quote: zoolu350

Yes, your idols tried until 1917. common people face to beat.

Actually, Ivan Solonevich who said this was from ordinary peasants, but he spoke of any liberal bastardism, which was mainly from the possessing classes

[wer2]

Quote: Olgovich

Bald tourists led the country to the Russian Cross and the disaster of 1991 - do not forget this FACT.

Not everything is so simple. Do not forget that your "bald tourists" themselves were overthrown in 1927. Various kinds of mustachioed and chipped ... also apparently foreign tourists.

Quote: Olgovich

Brest betrayal-in fact, has determined TODAY's western border of Russia-also a fact.

Is it?

[Finches]

Greetings, Olgovich! You know my position on this issue of our history, just as I know yours, therefore we will not be repeated in the argumentation of our positions, but, after reading your dialogue with Comrade Opera, I beg you to forgive me generously for my causticity, I visited the idea that for persuasiveness, you should quote in two voices:
"God save the Tsar!
Strong, powerful,
Reign for glory, for glory to us!
Reign for fear of enemies
The Orthodox King!
God save the Tsar! "

But once again I repeat - History has no subjunctive mood and the only power in the country of that period which kept it from complete disintegration for the sake of the USA and England was the Bolsheviks! Perhaps this was not the best solution, but there were no other solutions at all! It was the policy of Nicholas 2 that led the Empire to death and the Bolsheviks are not to blame here at all - let's be honest, Olgovich!

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Finches

The rag king made a huge number of mistakes during his reign

I agree. It was necessary for all the traitors-Februaryists to the wall. According to the protesters - from machine guns and cannons. Those who managed to scatter - catch and lanterns. And there would be no Civil War with 7 million dead. Your beloved Lenin would continue to travel around Europe. And he would not have committed his Brest betrayal. He’s the same guy. As with Germany, he is a pacifist. And how to wet his fellow citizens with millions, here he is immediately a fiery revolutionary. Everything is relative.

[Finches]

Yes, where does Lenin! You look deeper - February 1917 is the apotheosis of Khodynka 1896 ...!

[iouris]

Yeah. Sneaky little article. Sinlessly.

[Weyland]

the suffix "-owat-" in your definition is clearly superfluous!

[Pavel Gusterin]

If you refute or prove the opposite - I will be only too happy!

[Sebastian Pereiro Negoro]

Pavel, google about the "document" you submitted ... And there will be no need to refute anything. Rejoice.

[Same lech]

Renounced ... weakened state power to the limit without ensuring the safety of millions of people, and this is at the crucial moment when the existence of the state was at stake ... it certainly was a crime against one’s own people.
Nicholas 2’s own life turned out to be more expensive than the lives of millions of other people ... in the end, he lost ... ruined himself ... ruined his own family ... ruined the whole state ... how little it turns out to immerse the country and this is a flaw in the political system in RUSSIA tied to the identity of one person ... we need to learn from this page of our history.

[Cat]

Alexey You are not in trend! We must repent!

We are convinced that we are the descendants of oath-criminals who raised their hands to the anointed of God! And we are all imbued with the fact that we can’t sin. So start working on yourself gentlemen to drive out the demon of innocence, innocence.
Although to be honest, for the collapse of the Empire - Nicholas II, I would have plopped myself. Only beautiful with a public process, by court order and under the article "for negligence"!

[Same lech]

Although to be honest, for the collapse of the Empire - Nicholas II, I would have plopped myself.

Looking through the history of the reign of Nicholas II, it is difficult to get rid of the thought that this man was not in his place ... most of his actions logically worsened his next step ... all the talented and smart people from his circle did not die their own death ... some kind of evil rock hung over the head of the Romanovs and the punishment for the dynasty of the last Romanovs was terrible ... I would not wish anyone such a painful death.
Unfortunately, the Russian people were plunged into the abyss of civil fratricidal war ... but still survived ... in spite of everything they survived and rose from their knees.
Therefore, now I am confident in my people ... despite the difficulties of today, we will still survive.

[Alber]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

the people were plunged into the abyss of a civil fratricidal war ... but still survived ... in spite of everything they survived and rose from their knees.
Therefore, now I am confident in my people ... despite the difficulties of today, we will still survive.

we must not only survive, but we must punish those responsible for the troubles and genocide of our people

[Monarchist]

Kotishche, to some extent, agrees: it’s possible to judge Nikolai2, but you have a time machine to spin the wheel one or how many divisions and you are there

[Cat]

Here, without options, the story has no syllable!
Eh ...... such an Empire - clicked !!! Not ripening they say nature rests on children.

[Alber]

Quote: Kotischa

Here, without options, the story has no syllable!
Eh ...... such an Empire - clicked !!! Not ripening they say nature rests on children.

Well, another five-headed country of the USSR clicked no worse. also self-disarmed.
An lives under anyone .. and still. no one shot him. like children

[Cat]

Yes, Albert and again - yes! You are one hundred percent right!

[vlad007]

Quote: Kotischa

Although to be honest, for the collapse of the Empire - Nicholas II, I would have plopped myself.

I agree about Nikolai, but they shot the whole family! There was no need to shoot children and could not be!

[Cat]

Nikolai’s family, the servant and the people who remained with him to the end - it’s a pity! Just if Dr. Botkin and the servant were elevated to stratosphere-I did not say a word against !!!
But Nicholas II ........?

[zoolu350]

There was a political need. They, as unifying symbols, could be used by someone smarter of the whites or the Entente.

[wer2]

Quote: zoolu350

There was a political need.

Scientifically, such a “necessity” is called a criminal act.

Quote: zoolu350

They, as unifying symbols, could be used by someone smarter of the whites or the Entente.

And they could use toilet paper.
Nicholas refused the throne in favor of Michael. Michael, in favor of the Constituent Assembly, which was later dispersed by the Bolsheviks. Everything, for politics, Nikolai and Mikhail, is waste material.
The Bolsheviks "plopped" both. Because the killers. Which they confirmed later.

[zoolu350]

Quote: wer2

Scientifically, such a “necessity” is called a criminal act.

There was a decision of the Yekaterinburg Revolutionary Military Council, which was enforced. In fact, the former Nicholas No. 2 was responsible for all his past actions (inaction), that is, it was an act of HIGH JUSTICE. And although he and his wife were politically worked out material, their children were very dangerous political material in connection with the rather “muddy” abdication of Nicholas No. 2.

[wer2]

Quote: zoolu350

There was a decision of the Yekaterinburg Revolutionary Military Council, which was enforced.

Who is it? And why not the decision of Grandfather Pikhto? They had approximately the same legal force.

Quote: zoolu350

oh there it was an act of HIGH JUSTICE

An act of justice is when a letter is handed to you. For the successful cattle feeding.
And the massacre is a little different.

Quote: zoolu350

but their children were very dangerous political material

And let us declare your children (and you) or you (and your parents) “dangerous political material” and slap? By the decision of grandmother Avdotya and grandfather Prokop? And then call it an “act of higher justice"?
How do you like this prospect? Doesn't bother me?

Quote: zoolu350

in connection with the rather "muddy" abdication of Nicholas No. 2.

How "muddy"? He denied. In favor of a brother. What was incomprehensible there?

[Alber]

Quote: vlad007

Quote: Kotischa

Although to be honest, for the collapse of the Empire - Nicholas II, I would have plopped myself.

I agree about Nikolai, but they shot the whole family! There was no need to shoot children and could not be!

It was a ritual Jewish murder. Citizen Romanov with his family and children was shot, finished with bayonets, then burned the bodies with gasoline and flooded with acid Zionist fanatics
By order of Yankel Moishevich Sverdlov. Performers: Yankel Yurovsky, Shaya Goloshchekin, Beloborodov (Weinbard) and other villains.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Dear Kotische, when it comes to popular repentance, as a rule, we are talking about the fact that in modern Russia there are many people:
a) justify the murder of Nicholas II and his family, as well as the actions of the conspirators who managed to remove him from power;
b) throughout Russia, city streets, and the cities themselves bear the names of the murderers of the imperial family and the executioners of our people.

Quote: Kotischa

Although to be honest, for the collapse of the Empire - Nicholas II, I would have plopped myself.

That is, is it the Emperor to blame for the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks and their encouragement of various kinds of national movements? Nothing so that he abdicated in favor of his brother, Michael, trying to repay the revolutionary disorder? You have good logic - Mikhail refused to accept the crown, but Nicholas II is to blame for everything.

[Cat]

Dear Lieutenant!
If the merchant’s mouse was devoured by grain and he went around the world, who is to blame?
1. The mice.
2. The merchant.
According to the logic of the merchant, it’s natural that the mouse, and if objectively the merchant himself. Which did not ensure the preservation of grain. So here the merchant is sorry, the mice are satisfying, and the neighbor's cat is funny. Our trouble is that for the last decades we have been sinning on mice or a neighbor's cat, and the merchant is a saint.
Now further, I live in the area where the last emperor of Russia ended his life. The region is named in honor of Y. Sverdlov involved in the death of the royal family. For the past quarter of a century, the Russian Orthodox Church has been hoarding sketches to rename the region. And the inhabitants are against, the question is why? Apparently in the folk memory of Nicholas 2, remains to blame for an Empire which has been gone for a century. Moreover, the people self-identifies themselves with mice, or leaves the mice with the right to let the merchant go around the world.
So the bottom line is to each his own!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Kotischa

2. The merchant.
According to the logic of the merchant, it’s natural that the mouse, and if objectively the merchant himself.

Yeah, now it’s clear who is to blame for the unprecedented disaster of 1941-42 and the losses of the Second World War unprecedented in history! This is a merchant and only a merchant!
Is not it?

[zoolu350]

But Stalin did not shy away from admitting mistakes in 1941 (a toast to the Russian people).

[Olgovich]

Quote: zoolu350

But Stalin did not shy away from recognizing mistakes in 1941.

And how is he himself punished ?

[zoolu350]

He worked 20 hours a day during the Second World War, correcting the mistakes of 1941. and organizing the Victory, and not the raven shot at the trees and arranged dinners as your "great commander-in-chief" Nikolai No. 2.

[Olgovich]

Quote: zoolu350

Worked 20 hours a day during the Second World War

Is this a "retribution" for an unprecedented military catastrophe in history?
Pavlov and his ilk he shot for much smaller mistakes. And I had to start from myself.. That would be honest and decent.

There are no irreplaceable people.

[avt]

Quote: Olgovich

Pavlov and his ilk he shot for much smaller mistakes. And you had to start with yourself .. It would be honest and decent.

If Stalin would have followed the path of Nikolashchka “Bloody” and merged in the same shameful way, then we would not all be sitting at the computers, that’s all, including you tsarebozhikov, since all our ancestors would have gone to soap in concentration camps, except for the scum group so that when once again in your alternative reality the noble assembly of the Proletarian region will moralize for

Quote: Olgovich

That would be honest and decent.

Try to think about this for a moment. If the Svanidzelechensky glitches are certainly released ... although it is me in vain - they will not let go.

[Olgovich]

Quote: avt

If Stalin followed would way Nikolashchka ,, Bloody "and just as shamefully merged, then did not sit would we are all at computers would

"Would, would, would" - what is your "would" worth? Less electricity burned on them on a computer .

Quote: avt

, including you, tsarebozhikov, since all our ancestors would have gone to soap in concentration camps, except for a group of scum like Vlasovites. So when once again in your alternative reality, the noble assembly of the Proletarian region will moralize for
Quote: Olgovich
That would be honest and decent.

Russia survived, grew, fought and won THOUSAND years without the Bolsheviks. The Second World War also won, where these were only a small part of the warriors. But who were the only ones responsible for the military catastrophe of 41-42, And their leaders MUST do what they did General Ivan Kopets which is conscience and honor had. There are no irreplaceable ..

Quote: avt

Try for a minute recall about it

Remember what ..... was not?
You, chieftains, are somehow dealing with your parallel worlds yourself ....

[wer2]

Quote: zoolu350

He worked 20 hours a day during the Second World War, correcting the mistakes of 1941. and organizing the victory,

Those. to run to the Anglo-Saxons at the end of the summer of 1941 shouting "save-help, and then demand what you want," is this great labor prowess?

[zoolu350]

As far as I remember, Stalin did not run to the Anglo-Saxons, they ran to him in 1942. and 1945 And did the Anglo-Saxons help in 1941? No, that's why I worked for wear.

[wer2]

Quote: zoolu350

As far as I remember, Stalin did not run to the Anglo-Saxons, they ran to him in 1942. and 1945

You have trouble with the memory. Dzhugashvili sent messengers to the Anglo-Saxons back in June (!!!!) 1941. On September 24.09.1941, XNUMX, he completely scuttled under their roof. All, with giblets. Having handed over the population of the USSR to them in bulk as cannon fodder. For a small fraction.
Learn the story.

[Serge Gorely]

And most importantly, after 41, Stalin came 45 years old. Tsar - a rag brought the country to the 17th.

[wer2]

Quote: Serge Gorely

And most importantly, after 41, Stalin came 45 years old. Tsar - a rag brought the country to the 17th.

The main thing is that in 1945 Dzhugashvili organized 42 million victims from among the population of the USSR. In the case of Nicholas, you need to take the zero back. And then also divide by at least 4.
This is really the main thing.

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

he renounced in favor of his brother, Mikhail, trying to extinguish the revolutionary disorder ... Mikhail refused to accept the crown, but it was Nicholas II who was to blame

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

it’s not the fault of Nicholas II that his brother was so cowardly

In reality, unlike the sick fantasies of the monarchists, appointment to a serious post automatically implies:
1 Selection of a suitable candidate for the position and assessment of his abilities; assessment of the consequences of this appointment for the case, the position where he is appointed; discussion of a candidate with close ones, etc., etc.
And all this should be done ahead of time, and not at the last moment.
2 Feeling the candidate, what are his opinions, wishes, moods.
And here, Kolya waved some kind of piece of paper, and all - the Tsar-Emperor is now Misha.

Quote: Olgovich

a bald tourist-terrorist and others like him, who called for the police and soldiers to be blown up and doused, there is nothing to judge?

Lousy again about the bath ...
Especially for slopock - an article about the abdication of N-2.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Nicholas II did not weaken state power, on the contrary, while he was in power the state mechanism of the Empire worked like a clock

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

telegrams were put on his desk

The “good” watch, due to telegrams, has broken

[Olgovich]

Quote: rkkasa 81

Lousy again about the bath...

"At whom what hurts, that-oh volume (about the bath) and says. " So I understand YOU. .
Addition from Chernomyrdin:
"Who itches - scratch elsewhere."

[Olgovich]

Quote: Kotischa

Although to be honest, for the collapse of the Empire - Nicholas II, I would have plopped myself. Only beautiful with a public process, by court order and under the article "for negligence"!

A familiar song: "the raped woman was to blame for the rape, and the" provocateur "killed" himself for the murder.
And the bald tourist-terrorist and others like him, who called for the police and soldiers to be blown up and doused with acid, should not be judged for anything?

[albert]

Quote: Kotischa

not trending! We must repent!

Others think otherwise

[Monarchist]

Lech, we now argue: "a crime against his own people," and then: Nikolai Alexandrovich was a loving son and a faithful henpecked. He does not know that with his family and no one can rely on. Samsonov had this.

[Same lech]

and then: Nikolai Alexandrovich was a loving son and a faithful henpecked.

Humanly, I feel sorry for his family and himself ... weak-willed, spineless, gullible.
But behind him were the fates of millions of our ancestors who every day fought for their survival ... that’s what Nikolay the second should think about ... if a person is in the public service there should not be any hesitation and cowardice ... only a naked calculation and interest in favor of the state you serve.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

But behind him were the fates of millions of our ancestors

Exactly! With his weakness and gentleness, he destroyed a great country. He did not have the right to weakness.

[captain]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: The same LYOKHA

But behind him were the fates of millions of our ancestors

Exactly! With his weakness and gentleness, he destroyed a great country. He did not have the right to weakness.

Not just ruined the country, but because of its weakness, a civil war broke out, which claimed the lives of millions of people and Russia lost its vast territories.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Renounced ... weakened state power to the limit

Dear Alexei, Nicholas II did not weaken state power, on the contrary, while he was in power, the state mechanism of the Empire worked like a clock.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

at the crucial moment when the state was at stake

He took the step that he saw in those conditions as the only true one. Understand that telegrams were placed on his table, which said that because of the hardships of the war the whole rear was rising, that a different figure on the throne was needed in order to calm the rebels. And Nikolai Alexandrovich, after much deliberation, he signed the paper that passed the throne to his brother, Mikhail Alexandrovich. And it is not the fault of Nicholas II that his brother was so cowardly that instead of taking power, he declared that the constituent assembly should decide this issue.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Own life to Nicholas 2 was more expensive than the lives of millions of other people

Just the opposite. If Nikolai Alexandrovich’s own life were more expensive, he would go to St. Petersburg accompanied by the St. George’s headquarters of the Stavka guard, and along the way he would shoot any rebel soldiers and officers. But he did not. He did not want a rousing mass in the rear of the fratricidal massacre, which could have ruined the efforts of Russian soldiers and officers at the front. He, you know, unlike the Bolsheviks, did not cling to his power and was ready to sacrifice himself for the sake of Russia.

[BAI]

he would go to Petersburg accompanied by the St. George’s headquarters of the Stavka guard,

What battalion was accompanied?

Here is a quote from the memoirs of Tatyana Melnik-Botkina, daughter of life doctor E. Botkin:
Suddenly we saw Cossacks from His Majesty's personal escort. They drove by, magnificent, as always, only on their hats, on a beautiful shape and on the mane of horses - everywhere there were red cockades and red bows! They drove by, smiling at the motley crowd. I was outraged. They really deserved the gallows. The endless trust and extraordinary comfort that they enjoyed at the Tsar’s service — how could all this be forgotten in one day !?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Dear BAI, Cossack convoy is a division of the pre-war period. During the Second World War, a battalion was exclusively formed to guard the Headquarters, staffed exclusively by St. George cavaliers. http://www.historymania.info/view_post.php?id=128
A battalion of desperate daredevils, personally obliged to the Emperor by performing honorable service far from the front.

[BAI]

1. We are talking about the events of March 1917 - the end of the war. Escort Cossacks changed their shoes in the air in one day. And the benefits, according to Botkin’s daughter, were higher than the roof. Why is the St. George Battalion better? After all, it was not for nothing that Kornilov replaced the entire Tsarist guard with people personally loyal to him - Kornilov, and not the Tsar.
2. And to the account of this battalion, one can obviously attribute these words to Tatyana Melnik-Botkina, daughter of life doctor E. Botkin:

What was happening was terrible. Screaming soldiers robbed shops and shops, always starting where there was wine and vodka. From early morning, the soldiers were completely drunk. Were they really the same people we admired a few months ago? Now it was a gang of thieves, ragged, impudent, animals.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

You said the most important thing — we are talking about the events of March 1917. One Emperor had already denied, and his successor did not accept power. The meaning of the Cossacks of the life-convoy to maintain their regalia? No emperor, whose they are after the betrayal of Mikhail convoy?
But about the St. George Battalion, I would advise you to read more closely. These were front-line soldiers, and not rear spare parts slouched by inaction.

[BAI]

And why then Kornilov replaced them?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

But this is a very interesting question. But, I am afraid, now the answer to it is known only to the Almighty and Lavr Georgievich himself. Only one thing is clear - he was afraid of something, but what is extremely difficult to understand over the past years.

[Olgovich]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Own life to Nicholas 2 turned out to be more expensive than life millions of other people ... in the end, he lost ... ruined himself ... ruined his own family ... ruined the whole state.

HOW renunciation could increase the chances .... for life ?!
They fell to zero and the Emperor understood this very well. It was his conscious sacrifice in the name of Victory and the unity of the people.
He did not sign the abdication, and then, when the Manifesto was published, he did not dispute it for one single reason: in order to avoid a fratricidal war, weakening the army and people in the face of aggression by a formidable enemy.

And the front has stood virtually unshakable since 1915 until February 1918 he collapsed after 4-
x monthly rule of the Bolsheviks, demobilized the army .... in war.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

ruined an entire state

The Bolsheviks seized power by force: they turned the victorious Russia into an IZGOY state for many decades, betraying the huge victims of Russia to the Second World War, and their rule ended in the 1991 catastrophe and the Russian Cross. And that’s in just 70 years!

[avt]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Disowned ...

Who? When? Well, is it really difficult to carefully read what is written on the photo? Nikolashka was certainly a heavy drinker, but he didn’t know how the MANIFESTOS write, it was a clumsy attempt to jump out of the trap, which in the end was

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Nicholas 2’s own life turned out to be more expensive than the lives of millions of other people ... in the end, he lost ... ruined himself ... ruined his own family ... ruined the whole state ... how little is needed to immerse the country in chaos and anarchy

He gave the conspirators a chance for forgery, against his background Pasha No. 1 A REAL martyr died on the post, although he had a chance to merge in favor of his son, as this is a misunderstanding. It wasn’t Senka’s hat that Monomakh’s cap was crushed. But it was all business, after the murder of Grishka, to judge the murderers as criminals - without shaking off their class property, to hang Alekseev and Guchkov in the Crimea and those addressees to whom Guchkov repelled a telegram In an OPEN text - ,, The old man agrees. "After recruiting Alekseev. And all-eee-ee! The rest would be hiding like males. But now his cowardice and stupidity are naturally attributed to the Bolsheviks by the Tsarebozhiki - monarchist shit, it’s kind of like and not shit, but oil for them. The history of truth over Russia / the USSR went straight along the Marxian spiral - 1991 the ruling elite stupidly miscalculated the USSR like a carbon copy! Well, even if you try a trial at the top of the CPSU, it’s only like traitors like the Vlasovites. - the hunchback lesson was learned clearly and Tien An Myn spent decisively and without looking back, Mao's mausoleum is not bashfully ragged with rags, but at the same time, the period of the “gang of four” is the peak of repression, they call it almost Oslovno-period of feudalism with elements of fascism.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: avt

Nikolashka was certainly a heavy drinker, but he didn’t know how the MANIFESTOS write.

Nikolai Alexandrovich? The drinker? Excuse me, from what sources did you study history? Nicholas II after accession to the throne is not that drunk, even slightly drunk, no one saw.

[Weyland]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Own life Nicholas 2 was more expensive than the lives of millions of other people.

A valid nonsense ... Actually, the Sovereign Martyr knew the prophecy of the monk Abel and wish he could be saved - he could have “jumped off” a year earlier.

[Monarchist]

Dear author, it’s already written and said so much about the reasons that led to the sovereign’s abdication that it is no longer possible to invent a new one. No less said on the topic: "Lenin is a German spy."
Regarding your statement: “he renounced perfect clergy, therefore he renounced the Church, therefore he denied the faith, therefore he renounced Orthodoxy, therefore he renounced Christ”, which is called “far-fetched”. The laws of the Republic of Ingushetia provided for the opportunity to voluntarily transfer power to another person. As you probably know: Constantine was the first to succeed Alexander 1, and he renounced it and after Alexander became Emperor Nicholas 1. And note that the rejection was acknowledged by the Tsar'kov as well, therefore, it is not a renunciation of Faith. Nicholas 2 was a deeply religious person and could not commit such sacrilege.
Why not Paul 1 canonize? I recommend you to address a similar question to the local dean. In general, the church approaches the issue of canonization very carefully.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Monarchist, please read more carefully: in the case of Nicholas II, it is a question of refusing sacrifice, and Konstantin Pavlovich was not anointed as a kingdom and was not crowned. He was the acting head of state.

Quote: Monarchist

Nicholas 2 was a deeply religious man and could not commit such blasphemy.

You deny the obvious.

Quote: Monarchist

Dear author, it’s already written and said so much about the reasons that led to the sovereign’s abdication that it is no longer possible to invent a new one. No less said on the topic: "Lenin is a German spy."

Yes, without you I know how much is written on the topic raised by me.

And why did you drag about Lenin here? I have never raised this topic.

Your stupidity about the canonization of Paul I and the Dean does not even comment ...

[Cat]

Let us put an end to the question of the sanctity of Nicholas 2. All the same, he is not a saint, but a strato-sufferer (injured for faith).

[BAI]

(injured for faith)

And when did he suffer for her? Who and when forced him to renounce Christianity?

[Cat]

Dear Ball, this is not my position, but the position of the Russian Orthodox Church.
Saint Nicholas 2 recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

The author knowingly or in error is lying. Nikolai Alexandrovich signed the paper on abdication, being influenced by reports that unrest and outright chaos began in the rear of the warring army. He could have sacrificed his life without fear and without any doubt, but did he sacrifice Russia and depreciate the efforts of millions of its soldiers and officers for the sake of his power? He was not capable of this.

[Pavel Gusterin]

What is the head of state and supreme commander in chief, if he left everything, "under the influence of reports that unrest and outright chaos began in the rear of the warring army"?

Nicholas II was frightened for himself and decided to avoid responsibility for what the state had brought. And what will happen next with this state, he was least interested. So the cowardly sentry flees from his post, when he hears some rustle, and what will happen next with the protected object - but damn it ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Dear Mr. Gusterin, you are most likely mistaken. Nicholas II did not “abandon everything”, but sacrificed his power in order to maintain peace in the country. Do you even understand how terrible the Civil War is in a country at war with an external enemy?
I repeat, the Emperor created the impression that the country was on the verge of a civil war and that it needed a new head of state to reach a compromise. Nikolai valued Russia and the efforts of Russian people more than himself and power.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Nicholas II was frightened for himself and decided to avoid responsibility for what the state brought to ..

If he were afraid for himself, then he would not give power to Mikhail, in the Duma. In exchange for a guarantee of immunity. And yes, I would like to know what Nikolai Alexandrovich “brought” the country to? To stop the German offensive? Or maybe to the point that in Petrograd only sugar was given out on cards, unlike a starving Germany?

[Pavel Gusterin]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Nicholas II did not “give up everything,” but sacrificed his power in order to preserve peace in the country. Do you at least understand how terrible the civil war in a country at war with an external enemy is?

Well, and how, his renunciation provided "preservation of peace in the country"? Do you even understand the nature of power? Nicholas II just had to use it to prevent civil war.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

the Emperor created the impression that the country was on the verge of civil war and needed a new head of state to reach a compromise.

What kind of power that creates some kind of "impression"? If so impressionable, shoot yourself as an officer ...

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Nicholas Russia and the efforts of the Russian people appreciated more than themselves and power.

It's just ridiculous, if you remember Bloody Sunday and Lensky shooting.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

If I was afraid for myself, I would not give power to Michael

As he was told, he did!

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

And yes, I would like to know how Nikolai Alexandrovich “brought” the country?

He brought to the point that renunciation became possible, which was not the case in the history of the Russian Empire. Palace coups - yes, but not renunciation ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Well, and how, with his renunciation ensured "the preservation of peace in the country"?

If Mikhail had not been such a coward, the aforementioned preservation of peace in the country would have been ensured. It is not the fault of Nicholas II that his brother was so cowardly.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

What kind of power is this that creates some kind of “impression” there?

Dear Mr. Gusterin, I may open America for you now, but in those years the most reliable connection was the telegraph. A person could receive information by reading paper with messages - telegrams were called. And by "impression" I meant an opinion about the situation, formed on the basis of the information received by the person, if you did not immediately understand this. The emperor laid on the table the information that presented the events in a light favorable to the conspirators. Not the first Nicholas II, and not the last one, who found himself in a situation of a lack of objective sources.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

It's just ridiculous, if you remember Bloody Sunday and Lensky shooting.

Are you serious? You want to say that the Emperor personally gave orders for shooting in these cases? And you generally know that on January 9, 1905 the Emperor was not in Petersburg, and the troops opened fire in response to shots from the crowd. Revolutionary militants shot at the soldiers, who "heroically" covered themselves with unarmed demonstrators and set people up under the defensive fire of soldiers?

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

As he was told, he did!

Do you seriously think so? Very naive.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

He brought to the point that renunciation became possible, which was not the case in the history of the Russian Empire. Palace coups - yes, but not renunciation ...

I beg you, do not disgrace Russian education. Even schoolchildren know that during palace coups, deposed Emperors signed acts of renunciation.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Lieutenant Teterin,

What "Emperors" are you talking about? Peter III Fedorovich signed under the threat of death what the conspirators had slipped to him, that is, it was not a voluntary and meaningful act of abdication. Pavel I Petrovich refused to sign such a draft at all, after which he was killed. What else do schoolchildren know?

[Pavel Gusterin]

Yes, I also can’t call the renunciation of Nicholas II voluntary, but he had a choice about what Peter III and Pavel I Petrovich, who were doomed, were deprived of ...

[Nehist]

Dear Lieutenant !!! At the time of Catherine, Russia led TWO !!! war, at the same time there was a civil war led by Pugachev! But something in Catherine’s thoughts was not abdicated

[Weyland]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Nicholas II was scared for himself and decided to avoid responsibility for what the state had brought to.

Who told you such nonsense? There was blatant blackmail — if he doesn’t deny, the Duma mr-az will arrange unrest in the rear to stop supplying the front with weapons and ammunition! He tried to save the country by his renunciation!

[Pavel Gusterin]

Quote: Weyland

There was blatant blackmail — if he doesn’t deny, the Duma mr-az will arrange unrest in the rear to stop supplying the front with weapons and ammunition! He tried to save the country by his renunciation!

And who told you such nonsense?

[avt]

Lieutenant

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

knowingly or being in a delusion is lying.

Since Nikolashka ,, Bloody "is by no means

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

signed a paper on abdication, influenced by reports that unrest and outright chaos began in the rear of the warring army.

and, being in the hands of the conspirators, he tried to somehow be pulled out by the generals and Alekseev in particular, and the power component — the arrest at the station “Dno” was provided by General Ruzsky with the knowledge and approval of the beginning of the General Staff of Alekseev, who was SECOND letter of Nikolashka about disavowing the first, according to him to the words -, "put in his pocket."

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

He could have sacrificed his life without fear and without any doubt, but did he sacrifice Russia and depreciate the efforts of millions of its soldiers and officers for the sake of his power?

The last thing he thought about was the fate of Russia. Only about himself and his family taken into custody by the conspirators. Almost Nikolashka when Ruzsky

When you pointed the gun at you, you didn’t think about your conscience, not about the duty of the Chekist, not about your comrades who were killed, but about your fifty thousand, about the house in Zhavoronki with a cow and a hog.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

He was not capable of this.

Rule the state? Yes. As a colonel, he remained a colonel.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

So the cowardly sentry escapes from his post when he hears some rustle, and what will happen to the guarded object - let it go ...

Nikolashka completely forgot that by the fact of his birth and by the will of fate, he had work - to stand to the last and, if necessary, to die, but at the post. And he only had a little intelligence in the questionnaire to write about the fact that he is “the owner of the Russian Land”. And in fact he was not even a tenant, so he passed by.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: avt

Since Nikolashka ,, Bloody "

Mr. avt, I strongly recommend that you adhere to the rules of communication accepted at VO. Stop trolling, calling derogatory names of All-Russian Emperors. Not only do you consciously provoke monarchical views on the rudeness of Russian people (which, incidentally, do not go down to being called contemptuous nicknames of the Bolshevik leaders), but thereby demonstrate contempt for the thousand-year history of Russia and the works of its rulers.

Quote: avt

The last thing he thought about was the fate of Russia. Only about himself and his family taken under arrest by the conspirators.

Really? You really want to think so. Read Multatuli, those chapters of his books that contain evidence of eyewitnesses of the events of early March 1918. These people thought completely differently.

Quote: avt

Rule the state? Yes. As a colonel, he remained a colonel.

Before you say so, look at the data of imperial statistics on the development of the economy from 1896 to 1913. When you study, come back and we can talk meaningfully with you.

Quote: avt

And he only had a little mind in the profile to write about the fact that he, the master of the Russian Land "

I won’t talk about the level of intelligence of a person who speaks so flattering about a ruler who gave Russia such an impulse of development that, in spite of everything, it was enough until the mid-50s of the 20th century. I have not made a reservation right now. Study the biographies of leading Soviet engineers, architects and scientists. Pay attention to the educational institutions in which they received education or from whom they studied individually. You will understand a lot.

[avt]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

I won’t talk about the level of intelligence of a person who speaks so flattering about a ruler who gave Russia such an impulse of development that, in spite of everything, it was enough until the mid-50s of the 20th century.

When you return from your virtual space in which your Nicholas ,, Bloody "campaign even

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

pulse

Gagarin gave to launch into space, then we'll talk. Especially when you bother with Aki Az the sinful finish one of

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

educational institutions

really based in imperial Russia, then you can come to be aware of the difference between the Nartov lathe, for example, and later models, including CNC ones. Well, and finally, as an objective, not virtual, but virtual reality. TsAGI could break through only with the Bolsheviks. What year is reluctance to see? And before that, even Ryabushinsky could not really help the Founder Fathers under the leadership of Zhukovsky. Yes, for dessert. Your pusher, “impulse of development”, had neither the mind nor the will to push through the idea of ​​a squadron of heavy bombers of Sikorsky in 100 units before the war. Well, Nikolashka didn’t get together to explain to a relative, the aviation chief, who was fattening on French deliveries, so, the owner Russian Land "and went with the flow about the usefulness of single-engine airplanes. Well, that’s it, it’s a fool, because I see the level of intelligence that is not able to analyze technical details, and you have a lot of stress with humanitarian campaigns. Fully falling under the definition of Gumilyov about the intelligentsia

God save me! The present intelligentsia is such a spiritual sect. What is characteristic: they don’t know anything, they can’t do anything, they don’t want to think on their own, but they judge everything and completely disagree with dissent.

Well, as a humanitarian, I’ll make pleasant things from Berdyaev

"The intelligentsia is more like a monastic order or religious sect, with its own special morality, very intolerant, with its compulsory world outlook, with its own mores and customs ... For the intelligentsia is characterized by groundlessness, a break with all class life and traditions ... the intelligentsia was torn off from real social affairs, and this greatly contributed to the development of social dreaming in it ... "

Well, the current noblemen of the Proletarsky district, who replaced ,, Petrel "M Gorky / Peshkov with Tsareboga, Bulgakovskoye is quite suitable

“In its attitude to the people, whose service the intelligentsia sets its task, it constantly and inevitably fluctuates between two extremes - worship of people and spiritual aristocracy. The need for worship of people ... follows from the very foundations of the intellectual faith. But the opposite also necessarily follows from it - an arrogant attitude towards the people as an object of saving influence, as a minor who needs a nanny to educate "consciousness", unenlightened in the intellectual sense of the word ... "-

So fasten with pharisaism, half with sugar syrup and really

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

You will understand a lot.

And do not carry nonsense about

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

I have not made a reservation right now.

[Weyland]

Quote: avt

his work was to stand to the last, and if necessary, to die, but at the post.

Nicholas consciously sacrificed himself - he knew how it would all end in 1901 from the prophecy of the monk Abel! There was a blatant blackmail - if he does not renounce, the Duma Mr-Az will organize unrest in the rear in order to stop supplying the front with weapons and ammunition! He tried to save the country with his abdication!

[avt]

Quote: Weyland

Nicholas consciously sacrificed himself - he knew how it would all end in 1901 from the prophecy of the monk Abel!

And floated like crap adrift? Yes, it would be better if he went then in 1901 and drowned in a rural need, but preferred to sit on a water closet and as a result drowned the Empire.

Quote: Weyland

He tried to save the country with his abdication!

,, DB. "- Lavrov. You tsaregozhiki completely screwed up! ?? SUPREME CHIEF COMMANDER saves the country ... BY DESERT ???? The comparison was again inspired again - 1941, Gorbachev - ,, The process has begun ... I reject the attacks .. "Yeltsin - ,, I'm leaving, forgive me Russians." .....

Death, my children, do not fear from war or from the beast, but do your work, as God will give you. There will be no harm to you, like me, from war, or from a beast, or from water, or from a horse, unless God's will,

And on this a little bit in the train yelled and he squandered.

[Weyland]

You idiot weren’t in his place - and it’s not for you to judge him! Who the hell are you? I looked at your comments - if you don’t like any power in any country and not in any period of history, try to steer it yourself! Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side! (c) And the likes of the same "intellectual majority" set you like - hence the star like that of Tamarka)

[avt]

Quote: Weyland

You idiot weren’t in his place - and it’s not for you to judge him!

The Tsarebozhik was blown away.

[Weyland]

And are these all your arguments? Drain counted, zoil! "Great critics come from bad writers - how bad vinegar comes from bad wine!" (from)

[avt]

Quote: Weyland

And are these all your arguments?

What are such arguments for sectarians squirting saliva in hysteria?

Quote: Weyland

Who the hell are you?

Itself then

Whose will you be? Whose serf, I ask !?

and indeed

How do you submit a petition to the king? stupid slave

[Weyland]

I hooked you ... My ancestors, if anything, had the right to run for the post of monarch - and those like you, hang up without trial!

[avt]

Quote: Weyland

My ancestors, if anything, had the right to run for the post of monarch - and those like you, to hang up without trial!

Another imagining how his prince on the kitchen table was raped by Prince Golitsinsky who wandered into the kitchen drunk? What really decided

Who is here? ... Who is here, for example, as an extreme king? Nobody ?! So I will be the first!

Quote: Weyland

I hooked you ..

I loved these hamsters in the 90s. If you

stupid slave

he didn’t get out of this state, then to a specialized specialist, for hospitalization. And then to the kings, yes

Quote: Weyland

run for monarch

This is a real diagnosis. Do not cure - you will indulge in the lordship of the universe soon, and this is irrevocable.

[Weyland]

Quote: avt

This is a real diagnosis.

Idiot , it’s simply a “grudge” of the Polish gentry - any nobleman can run for king (fortunately, in Poland he was elected)! Teach history!
And if your

Quote: avt

prince Golitsinsky raped a stopper on the kitchen table

, it doesn’t give you any gentry rights, and you are just ub-people!

[lwimu1976]

1916
January 1st. Friday.

I slept well. At 10 o’clock. I went to the mass, then there was a report. After breakfast I unsubscribed from telegrams. Walked in the kindergarten, the day was good at 5 ° frost. He dealt with papers before lunch. I read in the evening.
January 2nd. Saturday

He slept well as usual in Mogilev. The report was short. After breakfast I read. He walked from 3 to 4 hours. Alix wrote. Answered the last New Year telegrams. After lunch, I played dominoes with Nilov, Grabbe and Mordovin [ovym].
January 3rd. Sunday

At night, a blizzard raged; the garden and courtyard were covered in snow. At 10 o’clock. I went to the mass. I came with a report in time for breakfast. He wrote and walked; cleared the track of snow. English was read. a book. The papers were late, read them before dinner. In the evening I played dice.
January 4th. Monday

Frost increased, at times it snowed. The report was short. Probably due to drifts, the train from Petrograd did not come and I had no papers today. He wrote, walked and read with enthusiasm the same book. In the evening I played dice.
January 5th. Tuesday

Woke up with 15 ° frost and sunny morning. I went to the report at 10 o’clock and then to the church for sanctification. About 12 hours Shavelsky came into the house and sprinkled all the rooms. After breakfast I accepted the report of Shakhovsky. I had to read a double portion of papers, because two couriers arrived due to snow drifts yesterday. In the evening he played dominoes and then finished the interesting book “A millionaire qirl”.
January 6th. Epiphany

In the morning it was 15 ° C, at noon 7 °, and during my walk 5 °. After tea he went to the hierarchal service in the church, from where the procession descended to the Dnieper on the right side of the bridge. All parts of the garrison stood with trellises, the battery fired a salute in 101 shots and airplanes flew over their heads. The weather was quiet, pleasant. At 11½ was already at headquarters on the report. I read before the walk and wrote after. In the evening [played] dice.

He loved nature so much!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Dear, the words “read” and “wrote” in these diaries denote work with the current civil and military documents - orders, reports, orders, reports - this is what constitutes the daily work of the head of state. If you do not believe me, then read the Multatuli or the memoirs of those who worked with the Imperator at Headquarters.

[lwimu1976]

January 2nd. Saturday
Answered the last New Year telegrams.
January 4th. Monday
The report was short. Probably due to drifts, the train from Petrograd did not come and I had no papers today. He wrote, walked and read with enthusiasm the same book. In the evening I played dice.
I believe you! Quotes from the diaries of Nicholas II Alexandrovich.
Read aloud. (Documents vestimo.)

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Note that here we are talking about a book. But in other entries, no. And reading the book is linked to the fact that the train with the papers did not reach Stavka.

[lwimu1976]

Secondary papers! Main weather, tea, church, wife, children, circuses.
1916g.
January 24rd. Sunday

He graduated from the paper at 10 o’clock. and went with all his daughters to the city. The morning was sunny at 5 ° C. We went to Xenia on the occasion of her name day. Mom arrived shortly after. We were at the mass. We had breakfast with all the children, Nikolai, Sergey and the maids of honor. He sat until 2¼ and then returned to Tsarskoye Selo with Maria and Anastasia. He went around the whole park. Rodionov drank tea with us. Accepted by A.S. Botkin. Engaged before and after dinner. From 10 o'clock I read the book aloud.
January 30nd. Saturday

We spent the night at the station. Sirotino. By 11 o’clock. approached art. Drissa. Here were: Evert, Smirnov - com. 1st Army and in the post. car squadron of the 14th drag. Little Russian regiment. Place of viewing ¾ versts. It was attended by: the 1st cavalry corps of Oranovsky - the 8th, 14th cavalry. and the Siberian Cossack divisions, the 1st and 2nd scooter companies and the battalion from the regiments of the new 124th infantry. divisions. All units presented themselves in excellent condition, horse-drawn in excellent bodies. Clothing and equipment are right dapper. He fed the authorities with a varied snack. At 4 o’clock he left for the previous night parking st. Sirotino. The courier arrived. In the evening I played dice.

Where is at least one decision and order on the read documents?

[albert]

Quote: lwimu1976

fell perfectly as usual in Mogilev. The report was short. After breakfast I read. He walked from 3 to 4 hours. Alix wrote. Answered the last New Year telegrams. After lunch, I played dominoes with Nilov, Grabbe and Mordovin [ovym].
January 3rd. Sunday

At night, a blizzard raged; the garden and courtyard were covered in snow. At 10 o’clock. I went to the mass. I came with a report in time for breakfast. He wrote and walked; cleared the track of snow. English was read. a book. The papers were late, read them before dinner. In the evening I played dice.
January 4th. Monday

Frost increased, at times it snowed. The report was short. Probably due to drifts, the train from Petrograd did not come and I had no papers today. He wrote, walked and read with enthusiasm the same book. In the evening I played dice.
January 5th. Tuesday

Woke up with 15 ° frost and sunny morning. I went to the report at 10 o’clock and then to the church for sanctification. About 12 hours Shavelsky came into the house and sprinkled all the rooms. After breakfast I accepted the report of Shakhovsky. I had to read a double portion of papers, because two couriers arrived due to snow drifts yesterday. In the evening he played dominoes and then finished the interesting book “A millionaire qirl”.
January 6th. Epiphany

This is so Kolka, commanded the armies in the First World War. As they say, no comment.

[BAI]

By the way, why is Pavel I Petrovich still not canonized ?.

Because he was killed by the valiant nobles who, at the coronation, swore allegiance to him, and Nikolai was killed by the atheists-communists, with the complicity of the Russian Orthodox Church.

[Pavel Gusterin]

I accept the sarcasm, but I doubt about the "complicity of the ROC". In my opinion, an allegation.

[BAI]

aiding the ROC "I doubt it

In vain doubt. The following fact has long surfaced:
The royal guard, appointed by the interim government, was indebted for several months. And the guard (rank-and-file ranks and tsarist officers) said: "We will give the tsar to the one who pays the debts." The monarchists chipped in, collected the required amount and betrayed the local bishop for ransom. And he requested the blessings of the patriarch. But Tikhon did not give it. The money disappeared, and the Bolsheviks bought the tsar and took them to Yekaterinburg under their guard. Further - everyone is well aware. That's how the ROC participated in this matter.

[Weyland]

Quote: BAI

The monarchists chipped in, collected the required amount and betrayed the local bishop for ransom. And he requested the blessings of the patriarch. But Tikhon did not give it.

Proofs, of course, will not be?

[avt]

Quote: BAI

killed by the atheists-communists, with the complicity of the Russian Orthodox Church.

It’s like he, how did the ROC HEAD of that time kill his head against the wall or something ??! Then, yes, it converges - ,, the anointed of God "uhaydakal .... himself," the anointed of God "but as the head of the church. You didn’t try to compose a note of TASS about fires for an hour?

Quote: BAI

The royal guard, appointed by the interim government, was indebted for several months. And the guard (rank-and-file ranks and tsarist officers) said: "We will give the tsar to the one who pays the debts." The monarchists chipped in, collected the required amount and betrayed the local bishop for ransom. And he requested the blessings of the patriarch. But Tikhon did not give it.

if the orderlies do not fix, then you will succeed. When he lets go ... if he lets go ... look and find out at Sirotkin for example - The Provisional Government has agreed with Nikolashka’s closest relatives to send him to Britia. Even THINGS in sealed wardrobe trunks sent forward. Shaved relatives took the little things, but refused to take Nikolashka, only the mother was taken from the Crimea, but to blame ...... estes-s-sno

Quote: BAI

and the Bolsheviks bought the tsar and took them to Yekaterinburg under their guard.

Well

Quote: BAI

Further - everyone is well aware

Aha - Radzinsky and the KGB major buried human remains and “miraculously” found them at the right time. Exactly when by the time of the DIRECT heirs of the property of the Romanov dynasty, which Nikolashka and his direct descendants had disposed of, there should have already been no survivors They quickly dug it up, quickly dug it in a pile in Petropavlovka and .... went to divide the dibs, after choosing a new type, the head of the Romanov dynasty. "

Quote: BAI

. That's how the ROC participated in this matter.

Here the ROC, knowing exactly the fate of the family, just did not participate in this and, until now, has not recognized the remains.

[XII legion]

He was anointed to reign by the Russian Orthodox Church, according to the teachings of which "The Holy Anointing of the Kings is a sacred action, which informs them of the grace of the Holy Spirit for strengthening in the performance of the highest service on earth"

Renunciation was impossible - both factually and legally
And since the act of renunciation is not valid, then in Russia the monarchy is still
The conclusion from this "article" is only such

[Pavel Gusterin]

XII Legion, there is no logic in your words, only absurd statements. Hence the ridiculous conclusion you made that "Russia is still a monarchy."

If renunciation during the anointing of the kingdom was not supposed, it does not mean that Nicholas II could not do this. Moreover, this is a fact.

[XII legion]

Why so absurd?
no more absurd than the statements of others
I was just trying to act logically.
If the action is impossible to implement due to the fact that it is impossible due to the lack of not only a mechanism for implementation, but also the possibility itself (which was not laid down), then with all the will of the interested parties, this action does not exist. And legally retained the Status Quo.
From here I did

the ridiculous conclusion is that "Russia is still a monarchy."

Maybe Russia still worries that it has been living in such a border situation for 100 years.
It’s like in a wedding of spouses. It is IMPOSSIBLE to remove the crown of heaven even with the dissolution of a secular marriage. Even the priest’s blessing for a second marriage does not remove the first crown from a previously married person.
You might say this parallel is ridiculous, but the essence of the wedding (that of the kingdom, that of marriage) is basically the same.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Quote: XII Legion

If an action cannot be carried out due to the fact that this is impossible due to the absence of not only the implementation mechanism, but also the possibility itself (which was not laid), then with all the wish of the interested parties there is no such action.

XII Legion, following your logic, all suicides are still alive: no one prepared the "implementation mechanism" of their "action" ...

[XII legion]

You compare incomparable things
Wrong order
I am talking about legal and factual actions provided for living people.

[Pavel Gusterin]

The Criminal Code operates with the concept of "suicide", which is "actual action." By the way, any suicide was once alive. Or are you in doubt?

Direct analogy: the abdication of Nicholas II was a political suicide, which he went to save his own skin.

[XII legion]

Suicide is provided for in the Criminal Code, and the abdication of the emperor was not provided for.
Moreover, it is IMPOSSIBLE to remove the Heavenly Crown - even with a very great desire.

[Pavel Gusterin]

The Criminal Code does not provide suicide, but bringing it to suicide, and this is not the same thing. Now Nicholas II was approached and brought to the abdication, that is, to political suicide ...

Quote: XII legion

Heavenly Crown is impossible to remove - even with a very big desire.

A "Heavenly Crown" no one took off. Nicholas II simply repudiated him. Baptism, too, can not be canceled, but some renounce the faith ...

[XII legion]

Of course

suicide

In this part I thought you understood me
Nikolai couldn’t deny the crown - neither according to earthly, nor according to heavenly laws

[Pavel Gusterin]

According to the laws, he could not recant, but he rejected it in fact.

People also cannot legally commit crimes (the law provides for crimes, but does not give the right to commit them), but crimes are committed ...

[XII legion]

In short, I explained to you
That the renunciation does not have legal force - the Crown is NOT REMOVED.
In fact, you can do anything you like - at least stand on your ears or put pants on your head.
And the Crown cannot be removed - having committed any crimes, sign any renunciations.

[Pavel Gusterin]

I wonder if he was thinking about his soul at the moment of renunciation?

[XII legion]

This can only be found during a spiritual session.
By the way, when bringing to suicide, this nuance

any suicide was once alive.

to anything - the subject who is alive and well and brought the other person to justice is brought to justice

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

I wonder if he was thinking about his soul at the moment of renunciation?

You better think about your soul, but the Church has already decided on the soul of Tsar Nicholas. And this is a sufficient basis for all Orthodox Christians to honor Nikolai Alexandrovich.
There is another incomprehensible here - what business is non-Orthodox to our saint? This is generally an internal affair of the Church, to which you obviously do not have a relationship.
And if so, then pass by ...

[Pavel Gusterin]

FenrirXnumx

Without you, I know what is better and what is not. Nobody asks your advice ...

[Pavel Gusterin]

The Criminal Code operates with the concept of "suicide", which is "actual action." By the way, all suicides were once alive. Or are you in doubt?

Direct analogy: by renunciation, Nicholas II committed political suicide, saving his own skin. I wonder if at the moment of renunciation he thought about his soul?

[Cat]

Paradoxical as Caesar (Legion) is, you are right; moreover, you are not the first to draw such conclusions.
Based on the Roman legal system and church canons, the conclusion is logical and obvious. So that.....

[XII legion]

You know, dear Kotische, I came across the issue of debunking in practice.
The situation is clear.
Well, what is not allowed to an ordinary person is unthinkable for the Emperor. From royal porphyry only death frees.
And by the way, Paul perfectly understood this, preferring death. By this he opened the way to his son (who unfortunately participated in the murder himself).
And Nikolai closed the road - and not only to his son, but also to the entire dynasty. It would be better in that car took death. And then everything would be different.
And even better, he used a survey of the commanders of the fronts and fleets only to relieve them of their posts, replacing them with capable commanders. And hanging Ruzsky right next to the train.
But no, they played democracy during the war - with all the ensuing consequences.

[Monarchist]

The Legion, what I agree with you, is that the actions of the generals: the Ruzsky (interesting, near Pyatigorsk, when Atarbekov shot him, repented or not) and Alekseev were not decent

[lwimu1976]

Quote: Monarchist

Kotishche, to some extent, agrees: it’s possible to judge Nikolai2, but you have a time machine to spin the wheel one or how many divisions and you are there

I'll try it! 101g. back!

1917g.
March 2nd. Thursday

In the morning Ruzsky came and read his longest conversation on the device with Rodzianko. According to him, the situation in Petrograd is such that now the ministry from the Duma seems to be powerless to do anything, because the social [rial] -dem [coloring] party in the person of the working committee is fighting with it. My renunciation is needed. Ruzsky handed this conversation over to the headquarters, and Alekseev to all the commanders-in-chief. By 2½ hours answers came from everyone. The bottom line is that in the name of saving Russia and keeping the army at the front in peace, you need to decide on this step. I agreed. From the bid they sent a draft manifesto. In the evening, Guchkov and Shulgin arrived from Petrograd, with whom I talked and handed them the signed and redone manifesto. At one o'clock in the morning he left Pskov with a heavy sense of experience. Around treason and cowardice and deceit!
March 3rd. Friday

He slept long and soundly. Woke up far beyond Dvinsk. The day was sunny and frosty. I spoke with my people about yesterday. I read a lot about Julia Caesar. At 8.20 arrived in Mogilev. All the ranks of the headquarters were on the platform. Took Alekseev in the car. At 9½ he moved into the house. Alekseev came with the latest news from Rodzianko. It turns out that Misha denied. His manifesto ends with a four-tailed election for 6 months after the Constituent Assembly. God knows who has thought of him to sign such nasty things! In Petrograd, riots ceased - if only so continued.
March 4th. Saturday

Slept well. At 10 a.m., good Alec came. Then he went to the report. By 12 o'clock. I went to the platform to meet my dear mom, who arrived from Kiev. I took her to me and had breakfast with her and ours. They sat and talked for a long time. Today, finally, I received two telegrams from dear Alix. I walked. The weather was disgusting - cold and blizzard. After tea he received Alekseev and Fredericks. By 8 o’clock. I went to Mom’s dinner and sat with her until 11 a.m.

And slept well. !!!

[BAI]

Why did the Tsar-emperor eventually abdicate, abdicating the throne?

And where did he go?

On March 5 (18), the Provisional Government appoints General L.G. Kornilov, commander of the Petrograd garrison, in exchange for the arrested Khabalov, on whom all the charges of shooting on the streets of the capital and the many victims of the revolution were hanged.

On the same day, Kornilov declares the family of the former emperor arrested and restores order in the garrison:

“... The General established a strict procedure for changing the guards, determined the regime of detention in the palace, ensured that the guard service was carried out only under the control of the district headquarters, and not local unauthorized committees and councils. Transferring the security regime to the headquarters of the Petrograd Military District, Kornilov, in essence, saved the Tsar’s Family from the ruthless actions and unauthorized decisions of the rebellious local garrison».
Together with A.I. Guchkov, the leader of the Duma "Octobrists", on the night of March 5 to 6, Kornilov visited Alexandra Fedorovna, then the general went to the retinues and said:

“... Gentlemen, here is the new commandant. From this moment, the Empress, by order of the Council of Ministers of the Provisional Government, is considered to be arrested. Who wants to stay and share the fate of the arrested, let him stay. But decide now. Then I will not let you into the palace. ”

After these events, Lavr Kornilov established a strong reputation as a "revolutionary" general, but he did the most important thing: replaced the previous guard of the family of the former king with people loyal to him personally and did not allow possible lynching.

On March 7, at the headquarters in Mogilev, Colonel N. Romanov (no one deprived the rank of the renounced emperor, he remained in the same rank), the Duma deputies Bublikov, Vershinin, Gribunin and Kalinin were arrested. Nikolai takes the train to Tsarskoye and also remains in custody in the Alexander Palace ...

Nicholas in March 1917 could be shot, and not the Bolsheviks, they were not there.

[antiexpert]

I suppose that Nicholas II Alexandrovich was only afraid that he would repeat the fate of his great-great-grandfather Emperor Pavel I Petrovich, whom the conspirators from his inner circle struck on the head with a snuffbox, and then strangled him with a scarf. Therefore, Nicholas II Alexandrovich considered for himself the benefit of simply renouncing...

This stupid man did not learn history, did not know what happens to the monarchs who renounce? He thought they would not kill him? Well, yes, yeah))) The list, by the way, the Forsaken, the test)))

[Olgovich]

Having renounced the reign, Nicholas II Alexandrovich also denied perfect ritual, therefore he renounced the Church, therefore he renounced Orthodoxy, therefore he denied faith, and therefore he denied Christ. Thus, Nicholas II Alexandrovich became an apostate and Christ seller..

The author, how many millions of divorced people did you turn with your "logic" into "Christ sellers" who "betrayed" the secret of the wedding?

The "logical" chain resembles another, no less logical ":

-Little fish, are you going out?
"Soooo, fish means pike, pike means toothy, toothy means dog, dog means female dog !!"
-Comrades, he called me a female dog !!!

[Pavel Gusterin]

Olgovich,

Firstly, there is no “secret” of the wedding, but the sacrament of the wedding (marriage) is performed.

Secondly, I did not invent a church divorce. I see that you have no idea about him, so for your information

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/75902.html

[Olgovich]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Firstly, there is no “secret” of the wedding, but the sacrament of the wedding (marriage) is performed.

I meant precisely the sacrament, your remark is correct.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Secondly, I did not invent a church divorce. I see that you have no idea about him, so for your information

I see that when giving recommendations you yourself do not understand the issue absolutely, letting me know some ... delirium about .... Georgian divorces.
For you to understand what you don’t understand, read this: http://www.pravoslavie.ru/65220.html

[Pavel Gusterin]

The site pravoslavie.ru "nonsense" does not publish. You yourself confirm this by giving a link to the same site ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

ait pravoslavie.ru "nonsense" does not publish.

Yes, an inappropriate word.
but why do I need private Georgian stories?

[Pavel Gusterin]

XII legion,
You confuse "legal force" and sacral power: sacred action in general can not have legal force, no way.

[Cat]

Let's get it in order!
The Russian Empire, however, as the USSR and the Russian Federation realize their legal interests through regulatory legal acts - laws. What in jurisprudence is called the German-Roman legal system, which is the direct successor of Roman law. The direct opposite is the Anglo-Saxon system based on precedent (judicial decision).
If on the fingers, then the Russian truth of Yaroslav is a code (code of laws) which is essentially no different from the modern Criminal Code of Russia. Even the articles have a 100 percent analogy in structure. (hypothesis, disposition and sanction)!
The second layer of the legal field is church canonical books and rules. In general, both directions of legal relations, both secular and religious, were implemented in the Republic of Ingushetia. At the same time, secular laws did not have legal force in relation to the anointing of God. The paradox is that according to the nomocanons the fulfillment of the rite of anointing on the kingdom did not have retroactive force. So after the rite, the anointed of God could renounce at least why, but that would be null and void!

[Pavel Gusterin]

"Church canonical books and rules" are related to church law, and they have nothing to do with state legislation.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Cat, this sacred act has no legal force in relation to the royal person. The sacred acts generally have no legal force!

The legal basis of the rule of all the Romanovs is the decision of the Zemsky Sobor of 1613.

Quote: Kotischa

At the same time, secular laws had no legal force with regard to the anointed of God.

Peter I’s decree of succession from 1722 and Paul I’s act of succession of Paul I of 1797 are secular laws.

[sib.ataman]

Well, you can congratulate Paul! He found for himself another side of the issue of renunciation, which, it would seem, had already been rubbed into seven rows from all sides, which was not covered by anyone. Ai bravo! Ah well done! Does a party card warm a heart in your pocket?

What does this photocopy confirm? That the king himself with one finger slammed this piece of paper on a typewriter? Or waved without looking that slipped the "caring" courtiers? Or is it the same material evidence as Stalin’s order to shoot Polish officers in Katyn from the "secret" package of the secretary general from a secret safe? Over the past 100 years of such "material evidence" on any issue in our history, on which there are also questions, a myriad of spawned! And all of them are and appear for the sole purpose of convincing us that we are miserable, wild, guilty, but guilty, constantly have to repent at least 7 times a day at every step, and sprinkle our heads with ash and face, and dense smear with soot, and we will not have no peace and no joy, but one solid island of bad luck! Well, foreign Christ-sellers understand that, after such appeals of the GDP to the Federal Assembly, he h ** t issued an order not to spare shit and slop! And you, Pavel, what do you serve in their service? Do you occupy a line in the staffing of the State Department? And they took the oath of allegiance to Baphomet? And the initiation took place with the cleansing of the fifth chakra and spreading the rolls?
This proclamation, by its very form of compilation, despite the tall calm and dated March (and we have been rubbed all our lives by saying that the revolution was February! Now it’s clear why March 8 is a nation-wide holiday — it turns out that the tsar denied it!) It can be a state regulatory legal act (especially for those who are at least a little familiar with the state, that is, state office work). And not a single notary office, even in Odessa, will accept for consideration another document, legally in the form of faithful drafting, not to mention the office of the court of EIV! So, this fake, concocted on the knee retroactively somewhere in the hallway, or at worst somewhere in Malaya Arnautskaya, and thrown into the gray daddy of the county archive, with the goal of whitewashing the oath-criminals who committed a coup d'etat behind the king, and who wish the whole blame and responsibility for this to blame but himself, they say, not guilty I-he himself denied! Over the past 100 years, such “voluntary renunciations” in different parts of the world have been watched by the world community as many times as in the Latin American soap opera of the series! And he all looks like a carbon copy, only the scribblers are different!
By the way, even in this piece of paper, ears stick out from real events — the king transferred the throne to his brother, and did not put it up for auction. Otherwise, how to present it as a real document?

[Pavel Gusterin]

sib.ataman,

The article is not about illustration, but about the religious side of things ...

So where is the refutation of the essence of the article?

[Pavel Gusterin]

XII legion,
By the way, you agreed that Nicholas II committed a crime with his renunciation.

Quote: XII Legion

And the Crown cannot be removed - having committed any crimes, sign any renunciations.

[datura23]

Mr. author -> author -> author, showed Complete ignorance in a theological vein, article = bunch in a puddle.

[Pavel Gusterin]

datura23,

I am in the article and ask to refute my assertions or prove the opposite! So where is your evidence. Or you can not refute "Complete ignorance"?

And for what you wrote, no theological training is required at all: an 5-grader could have written it ...

[datura23]

obviously from the article that her
писал
5th grader, monsieur you are asking, (supposedly), to polemicize with you, however, the purpose of what you are carrying is not a search for Truth (but who needs it ..), but another reason to pump on Our History and justify it the machinations of the Enemy, and therefore you yourself are the Enemy! I wish you a quick end, for it is not a sin.

[Pavel Gusterin]

datura23,

better recognition of my rightness than your impotent rage, and can not be :)))

[datura23]

will you need your rightness when you stand before God? He will ask you where are the talents that I gave you, and you to him - I found out that the King is not real !!! Well not funny?

[Pavel Gusterin]

You decide for God that He will ask me. It really is no longer funny ...

[FenrirXnumx]

By the way, why is Pavel I Petrovich still not canonized? ..

I would like to ask the author, Pavel Gusterin, for what purpose are you asking this question?
If you are an Orthodox Christian, you should know that the Church has the strictest subordination and holiness of Nikolai Alexandrovich recognized at the Council as the highest hierarchs of the Church. In this regard, all laity and clergymen who consider themselves to be the Catholic and Apostolic Russian Orthodox Church can take this fact for granted - without any "if", "why", "why." And moreover, in no case should this question be brought up for discussion of the unchristians that this site is teeming with.
If the author is not a Christian, which is quite obvious and follows from the previous paragraph, I would like to ask again - what do you care about whom our Church recognized as saints? After all, this is an internal affair of Christians, and you have the same attitude and concepts to this as to the issue of the competence of choosing a new Dalai Lama.
Doesn’t it seem stupid for you to go into a sphere to which you have nothing to do and where you don’t know a damn thing, and at the same time make any assumptions or statements?

[Pavel Gusterin]

FenrirXnumx,

I do not deny the authority of the ROC, as I say in the article. I want to get answers to my questions. If you cannot give these answers, then do not get confused under your feet ...

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

I want to get answers to my questions. If you can’t give these answers,

You do not want to receive answers, but to offend believers and throw substances on the fan. The answers to these questions should not be sought on the Military Review, but by contacting the Orthodox priest in any relevant forum.
And before you ask questions of this kind, you need to at least roughly understand that there is holiness in the Christian sense, because I suspect that you believe that holiness is a kind of order of the Hero of Soc. labor.
And the authority of the ROC has nothing to do with it - it’s a stupid curtsy, because you either belong to it and consider the teachings of the Church to be true, or the priests are deceivers and swollen authority. There is no third.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Fenrir49,

So explain to me and the rest of the readers, otherwise you only attack with ridiculous accusations.

In addition, what kind of a priest you are talking about, if at the level of the Holy Synod they cannot figure out the remains of the royal family and all the accompanying questions?

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

So explain to me and the rest of the readers, otherwise you only attack with ridiculous accusations.

And what to explain then? Anyone who has a understanding of Russian history and religion should be as clear as day.
The canonization of Nicholas has an almost exact analogy in history with the canonization of the first Russian saints - Boris and Gleb. Boris was a successful military leader who had at hand an army with which the nomads went to fight. The army loved Boris and supported. And, if he blinked an eye, the squad would chop Svyatopolk and his entourage into small cabbage.
But Boris chose not to raise his weapon against his brother and meekly turned his head under the knives of the killers.
The same topic with Nicholas - seeing that the environment and the people had forgotten their duties to the emperor and not wanting to become the cause of the massacre, he resignedly resigned. The fact that in the future the massacre still took place is already a purely popular choice.
Did you have a right? Yes, he had the right to everything, since he was an absolute sovereign and was and remains outside the jurisdiction of anyone. Therefore, when mongrels bark at the anointed of God, they are mongrel and have no idea.
We can draw an analogy with Christ, who, while also omnipotent, resignedly allowed himself to be killed.
That is why Nicholas was canonized.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

You say that at the level of the Holy Synod they cannot deal with the remains of the royal family and with all the related issues?

All related issues were resolved only by the deceased, while all the rest were always full of them.
Can you advance to the patriarchate if you see all the flaws so well? Well, or write a letter to the entot the very Synod? At the same time, tell the Lama the Lama how to resolve everything with the Chinese ...

[Pavel Gusterin]

FenrirXnumx

First of all, I will figure out without you what to do and what not to do.

Secondly, you incorrectly state the circumstances of the murder of St. Boris: at the time of the murder the army had already left him.

Thirdly, the analogy between Christ and Nicholas II is blasphemous, because Christ knew that he was going to die, and Nicholas II wanted to avoid death, as well as responsibility for the results of his reign. A very convenient position is to declare that the people of the tsar got the wrong one or something there forgot. And the other was not! And still people remember Nicholas the Bloody.

Fourthly, in the history of the Russian Orthodox Church, there has already been a case of deanonization ...

[datura23]

how do you know what he wanted, delete the article until the teeth fell out, good advice

[Pavel Gusterin]

datura23,

so it manifested - boorish Murlo ...

[datura23]

Sideburns do not cling to accelerators? Canada is waiting.

[Han Tengri]

Quote: datura23

how do you know what he wanted, delete the article until the teeth fell out, good advice

The magic of voodoo? Yeah! "Humility", "kindness" and "humanity" from the sick of the queen of God and the "Orthodoxy" of the brain splashes, in all directions, with terrible force!

[datura23]

I was against his "sanctification", a too controversial figure, but if the Church (Christ) said (said) it is necessary, I answered- IS!

[Han Tengri]

Question one: Are you sure that threats to the author of the article are a sure sign of Christian philanthropy?

Quote: datura23

but if the Church (Christ) said (said) it is necessary, I answered- IS!

Question two: Are you sure that the Patriarchate and the clergy of the ROC, and even more so ROCOR = Christ?

[datura23]

The Church Is My Body, etc., according to the text, Vasya, Vasya, Vasya ... I read the Qur'an and thought about it, have you read the Gospel?

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Secondly, you incorrectly state the circumstances of the murder of St. Boris: at the time of the murder the army had already left him.

And where did you see, dear comrade, that I argued the opposite? You Vanka, then do not wallow. I just noticed that Boris could easily lean on the army and did not do this:

But his father’s squad told him: “Here’s your father’s squad and army. Go, sit on your father’s table in Kiev.” He answered: "I won’t raise my hands on my older brother: if my father also died, then let this be for me instead of my father."

And then Boris receives the news that his brother wants to kill him, but he does not run away to start an internecine war, but instead comes to prayer:

And then, finishing the matins, he prayed and said so, looking at the icon, at the image of the Lord: “Lord Jesus Christ! How did you appear on this earth for our salvation, by your own will letting your hands be nailed on the cross, and accepted the suffering for ours sins, so I have the right to accept suffering. But I do not accept this suffering from enemies, but from my brother, and don’t impute to him, Lord, it’s a sin

Nicholas did likewise. In short, there are very close parallels. But whoever has his eyes blurred cannot be seen, of course.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

Nicholas II wanted to avoid death, as well as responsibility for the results of his reign.

How do you know? They stood at the head of the bed and the Tsar personally told you - "I want to say, Pasha, to avoid responsibility? All around, they say, I'm to blame for my servants"?

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

A very convenient position is to declare that the people of the tsar got the wrong one or forgot about something there.

That's right - the people kissed the Tsar’s cross and took the oath. The tsar did not swear an oath to anyone and owed nothing to anyone.
The people at the election of Mikhail Romanov swore allegiance to all his descendants. Without any if and or. And the people did not keep their part of the contract ..
And the man advises you correctly - you will save your teeth. Health should not be joked. Good luck.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Quote: Fenrir49

And the man advises you correctly - take care of your teeth. You should not joke with health. Good luck.

Fenrir49, and when I was afraid of criminals?

[Monarchist]

I agree that the analogy between Nikolai and Boris can be seen, but in part: Nikolay was confused and did not know who to lean on and that’s the whole trouble

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: Monarchist

but partly: Nikolai was confused and did not know who to lean on him and this is the whole trouble

And how can one not get confused, if all the bosses on the fronts tell him - renounce it. And while it is still unknown what Ruzsky threatened him with.
And yes - there was no support. Relatives - rot, the highest military leaders - betrayed. There was no basis for a fight.
Peter the First, by analogy, fled at night to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra. But at least he had a bunch of supporters in sight, and then everyone does not care. The people went bad.

[Monarchist]

Pavel, if I understand you correctly: should Nikolay be decanonized? It is a pity that you do not control the Holy Synod: you would put things in order

[Pavel Gusterin]

Monarchist, I say that this topic can be discussed. There are arguments for and against. Even in the question of the remains of the point is not set. As far as I know, the remains of the saints are fragrant or remain incorruptible, they work wonders, their icons flow myrrh. "In the Russian Orthodox Church, the canonization of the saints was a confirmation of the already existing facts of national church worship for the departed devotees of piety: the church authorities consecrated this worship and solemnly proclaimed the devotee of faith and piety to the saints" (www.pravmir.ru/kriterii-kanonizatsii/). This is clearly not the case of Nicholas II.
+ Historical analogies with the overthrown and murdered Russian monarchs.

[Pavel Gusterin]

By the way, when Poklonskaya declared that the monument to Nicholas II in the Crimea had beamed out, the ROC distanced itself from it.
www.aif.ru/society/religion/ne_ustanovleno_byust_
nikolaya_ii_otkazalis_priznat_mirotochashchim

[Monarchist]

Fenrir, in many ways you are right.

[lesnik1978]

Boris was flunked by Yaroslav. This is a long known fact. After all, the winners write the story.

[sib.ataman]

So I think, Pavel, that illustration acts as a distraction? Tape it to the essence of your statement does not work with any tape! However, if you carefully delve into the logic of my koment, it is not required and seven spans in the forehead, and two will be enough! If a piece of paper is fake, then what kind of renunciation is it all about? The happened coup d'etat in hindsight can be called anything-even Marlezonsky ballet. It’s good to fool about the sacrament and holiness while fumbling on a soft sofa in a warm apartment, taking a sip of a softy coffee! But in fact, no one asked the tsar what he transferred there, denied, transgressed. In order not to look like bandits from the high road in the eyes of Geyrop and striped mattresses - the king was arrested out of sight, and he blindly blindfolded a cartoon about abdication! And now you are sewing him with white thread to renounce the canons! Famously! So usually thimbles twirl, passing off a mirage as truth!

[Pavel Gusterin]

Quote: sib.ataman

About sacrament and holiness, it is good to fidget, fidgeting on a soft sofa in a warm apartment, sipping on a soft kofy!

Well, that you know better ....

[UA3QHP]

Quote: avt

Lieutenant

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

knowingly or being in a delusion is lying.

Since Nikolashka ,, Bloody "is by no means

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

signed a paper on abdication, influenced by reports that unrest and outright chaos began in the rear of the warring army.

and, being in the hands of the conspirators, he tried to somehow be pulled out by the generals and Alekseev in particular, and the power component — the arrest at the station “Dno” was provided by General Ruzsky with the knowledge and approval of the beginning of the General Staff of Alekseev, who was SECOND letter of Nikolashka about disavowing the first, according to him to the words -, "put in his pocket."

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

He could have sacrificed his life without fear and without any doubt, but did he sacrifice Russia and depreciate the efforts of millions of its soldiers and officers for the sake of his power?

The last thing he thought about was the fate of Russia. Only about himself and his family taken into custody by the conspirators. Almost Nikolashka when Ruzsky

When you pointed the gun at you, you didn’t think about your conscience, not about the duty of the Chekist, not about your comrades who were killed, but about your fifty thousand, about the house in Zhavoronki with a cow and a hog.

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

He was not capable of this.

Rule the state? Yes. As a colonel, he remained a colonel.

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

So the cowardly sentry escapes from his post when he hears some rustle, and what will happen to the guarded object - let it go ...

Nikolashka completely forgot that by the fact of his birth and by the will of fate, he had work - to stand to the last and, if necessary, to die, but at the post. And he only had a little intelligence in the questionnaire to write about the fact that he is “the owner of the Russian Land”. And in fact he was not even a tenant, so he passed by.

That's right, kings who are bloody and terrible, as well as great, die in their beds.
And the fact that the whole family was destroyed is the cost of working as a king. If you are in power, then everything is yours, and when you change the ruling surname, all the heirs are at a loss so that there are no pretenders and unrest.
And the Russian Orthodox Church, she is always ready to lick for the sake of the current moment.

[Serge Gorely]

Nikolai Romanoff, for a second, denied the status of Supreme Commander-in-Chief during the war. His family is sorry for BUT - in the Chikotilo case, 6 people were innocently shot. Should they also be counted as Saints?

[datura23]

were they for Faith (In Christ) were killed?

[Han Tengri]

Quote: datura23

were they for Faith (In Christ) were killed?

And citizen Romanov, with his family, apparently, it was because of her against the wall!

[datura23]

Everything is clear to you, you are probably a clairvoyant, since such conclusions and laughter at a different point of view

[Cat]

Quote: datura 23

how do you know what he wanted, delete the article until the teeth fell out, good advice

Gorgeous? Everything is just like in the Bible "if you were presented on the right cheek, substitute .......... the footboard and its kidneys, the kidneys !!!"
What tormented examples of religious fanaticism in Russia already exist.

The largest concert hall in the Urals damaged Orthodox fanatic?

Yesterday morning in Yekaterinburg a truck with gas cylinders drove into the building of the Cosmos cinema and concert complex. There was an explosion. Rating:

As it turned out, the UAZ minibus was driven by a mentally ill person, Irbit resident Denis Murashov. Judging by the entries on his pages on social networks, he is not just Orthodox, but an aggressively religious person. Two barrels of gasoline, three gas cylinders and firewood were found in the back of the car. Tanks did not have time to explode. A criminal case has been opened.

[datura23]

mentally ill person who calls himself Orthodox = Orthodox ???

[Han Tengri]

Quote: datura23

Everything is clear to you, you are probably a clairvoyant, since such conclusions and laughter at a different point of view

You, at least for yourself, honestly try to answer the question: "Nicholas 2, with his family, was killed for believing in Christ, or, perhaps, for other (political) reasons?"

[Pavel Gusterin]

No one offered the royal family and service personnel to renounce Christ: they were shot for political reasons, i.e. to prevent the restoration of the monarchy, and the servants - as witnesses.

[datura23]

NOBODY knows what was and how it was, from whose testimonies? where is such a THirst for Constrictions? Papa Prosecutor or Mom Judge ???

[Han Tengri]

Quote: datura23

NOBODY knows what was and how it was, from whose testimonies?

Then on what basis ...

“In 1981, members of the family of Nicholas II were numbered“ martyrs ”by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. In 2000, after lengthy disputes that caused considerable resonance in Russia, they were numbered“ holy martyrs ”by the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate" (Wiki)

Do the "priests" left foot combed?

[Han Tengri]

Or,

Quote: datura23

if the Church (Christ) said (said) ...

We must answer "IS!" and dig out your brain with a tablespoon, that wouldn’t be tempted to think ?!

[82т11]

I’ll say right away I am Orthodox and go to church. It is useless to ask the priest for his dignity; he must support the decision of the Church.

But I also do not understand why Nicholas 2 became a holy martyr?

The main idea is that he suffered for faith, since he is a martyr? But this is not so! He suffered for being king!

Here, some comrades above said that he did not want the Civil War, but wait a minute and what did he want to get from renunciation in favor of his brother? Think for a second:

1. The country fought! Just imagine, Stalin in 43 gave up power what would happen to the USSR?
2. "Menshevik Bolsheviks" are operating in the country, and he decided to play democracy. Passes the throne to his brother.
3. I don’t know how many people would die if Nicholas 2 decides to put things in order by arrests or executions, but I’m sure that it’s not 12,5 million.
4. And if he was made a saint because he died at the hands of the Reds, then why did not the rest of those who died at the hands of the Reds be made holy? Or maybe the origin did not come out? But what about those who died at the hands of white and foreign interventionists?

[datura23]

brother, not with our kutsim mind to judge .... so I must tell you

[Weyland]

Having renounced the reign, Nicholas II Alexandrovich also denied perfect ritual, therefore he renounced the Church, therefore he renounced Orthodoxy, therefore he denied faith, and therefore he denied Christ. Thus, Nicholas II Alexandrovich became an apostate and a Christ seller.
Who is such a great theologian? and where did he come from - an hour, not from the village of Verkola, Pinezhsky District, Arkhangelsk Region? There were many such smart people. When Artemy killed a 13-year-old teenager with lightning, his fellow villagers, by superstition, considered his death to be God's punishment for some secret sins, so his body, as a person who died from sudden death, remained unharmed and unburied; they laid it on an empty spot in a pine forest on top of the ground, covered it with brushwood and birch bark and fenced it with a wooden fence. So it lay for 28 years, forgotten by everyone - until it was found completely incorruptible and miraculous healings started from him who are not in the subject - walk "Saint Artemy Verkolsky")

[Pavel Gusterin]

The great one is not great, but for now nobody could break my logical chain ...

[datura23]

Logic, however, did not bring anyone into the Kingdom of God.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Why worry about me so much?

[Pavel Gusterin]

And where did they lead?

[Weyland]

Who cares about your logic here? This is not a theological site! State your arguments to the Patriarch! It’s not for you to decide, fortunately!

[Pavel Gusterin]

This is for educated and thinking people. Something does not suit - do not read, go back home. I without you know what this site is! Without you, I know someone to state my arguments.

Quote: Weyland

Decide something is not for you, fortunately!

[samarin1969]

Judging by the document, the tsar was simply zombified by "glorious allies" for this war. These same allies organized the Duma conspiracy. Without the organizational support of the Paleologist and Buchanan, all speeches in Petrograd would end in spontaneous speeches with no perspective on history.
People make history. And Russia was clearly unlucky with the last monarch. If the "master of the Russian land" did not have the will to fight for power, then his "problems of conscience" and "anointing" do not matter.

[sxfRipper]

Nyasha-Nemenyashi is not enough here! And the "masters" of Khokhlosrach nervously smoke on the sidelines.

[Pushkar]

Maybe enough to wash the bones of the former king? He was educated, smart, loved the family, but as the head of state was unsuitable. Nothing more to say.

[Curious]

Already, you do not need to write an article in order to call a megacrach. Just throw a couple of paragraphs from the shovel - and the seething started. The same characters with the same chants.
A little more, and they will write a few words. Indeed, why put too much effort.
It would be interesting to know who the king was the ancestors of the site’s note-breaking "boulochrusts"?
And the questions of the author of the sketch were answered, as it seems to me by a member of the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of Saints, Archpriest Georgy Mitrofanov: "We must bear in mind that someone in our clergy, as it turns out at the Last Judgment, is not a saint."

[bober1982]

Quote: Curious

member of the Synodal Commission for the Canonization of Saints, Archpriest Georgy Mitrofanov: "We must bear in mind that someone in our clergy, as it turns out at the Last Judgment, is not a saint."

Father George is a kind of church Vlasov, in the literal sense of the word, he does not hide this.
His characters are Vlasov, Shkuro, Krasnov, and therefore it is somehow strange to cite his obscene quote, we can add to the above that Mr. P. Gusterin and Father George are two boots of the same pair, Vlasov.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Labeling - a lot of mind is not required! Generally - not required ...

[Curious]

Beaver 1982. I already told you that you are trying to lift a weight that exceeds your capabilities.
For starters, you will learn how to evaluate your abilities, otherwise it’s not the first time you’re taking on your own business.

[bober1982]

I just pointed out the absurdity of quoting G. Mitrofanov, by the way from the Commission for the Canonization of Saints of the St. Petersburg Diocese, he was shown the door (2009).
Father George shares the views of not only Vlasov, but also Solzhenitsyn, is a supporter of euthanasia (suicide), he is forbidden to speak in the press (by church authority)

Quote: Curious

For starters, you will learn how to evaluate your abilities, otherwise it’s not the first time you’re taking on your own business.

And where does my ability come from? what are we talking about?

[Curious]

The point is that all the mitrophan vices and sins you listed do not at all affect his quote, which is completely sound. It’s just beyond the threshold of your understanding. That's all.

[datura23]

the pig will not give birth

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: datura23

how do you know what he wanted, delete the article until the teeth fell out, good advice

here from this place a little more.

[FenrirXnumx]

Quote: Ecilop

here from this place a little more.

A citizen wanted to emphasize that blasphemy against the Church and its saints would necessarily lead to health problems here and larger problems there ...

[Grim Reaper]

Perhaps there will be major problems there, I was interested in the smaller problems here.

[FenrirXnumx]

82т11,

Quote: 82т11

My maternal ancestors were Cossacks, it’s a shame for them to know something like that! After all, spit the Cossacks as Nicholas 2 on his oath,

Nikolai did not swear an oath to anyone, so you are bullshit. Therefore, he could not spit on the oath.
But the Cossacks surrendered Russia in red. They declared autonomy during the civilian era, instead of supporting the Volunteer Army. We thought with the Bolsheviks peace and love to establish. Then the Bolsheviks set their heels on fire.
As you know, only the two highest military leaders did not betray the Tsar - Count Keller and Khan of Nakhichevan. All the rest turned out to be rot. And the Cossacks too ..

[voyaka uh]

Nicholas II was a man not too smart, but
and not cowardly. It is unlikely that he was afraid to be killed at his headquarters.
Rather, I realized that a revolution in the conditions of an unsuccessful, protracted
and unpopular war - not to stop.

[datura23]

how do you know how he was

[Grim Reaper]

I do not believe. I do not believe that Nikolai did not tremble for his life. And he could stop the revolution. True, this was done a little earlier, and not sleep the sleep of the righteous. As for canonization, this is nonsense .... The church is not made of stone, but of ribs.

[Altona]

Quote: Pavel Gusterin

The name of the river fish is "hustler"

-----------------------
Apparently not everyone is aware that there is such a tasty Volga fish.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Sometimes - "gustera"

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

Nicholas II was a man not too smart, but
and not cowardly. It is unlikely that he was afraid to be killed at his headquarters.
Rather, I realized that a revolution in the conditions of an unsuccessful, protracted
and unpopular war - not to stop.

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Apparently a brief analysis of the current situation allowed him to understand that the generals and the court had betrayed him and his allies, in general, did not. We still underestimate the art of advertising, propaganda and agitation. But in those years you can trace the content of the press, and by 1917, from patriotic sentiments, it began to change its shoes to criticize the existing government. Plus, the sharks of capital began to take advantage of the difficulties of wartime, although the tsar fully indulged the appetites of industrialists who were godlessly (by then standards) overpriced. Then it was 2 times, in our time 10 times it is not considered shameful if the Pentagon is not shy about paying $ 100 apiece for bolts to the planes. In addition, the king left an unpleasant impression, although he wanted everyone to like it. He praised the official, and the next day he received a resignation order. His eyes were pewter, frozen, later, retouchers enlivened his eyes in photographs. With the conclusion in the article, I agree, the citizen of the king did not have the right to abdicate, and he himself brought the situation to such a state.

[lwimu1976]

Quote: sxfRipper

Nyasha-Nemenyashi is not enough here! And the "masters" of Khokhlosrach nervously smoke on the sidelines.

And life flies and live hunting
And hearts rush blindly
Between optimistic idiot
And the pessimism of the sage.
Igor Guberman

[Altona]

Quote: samarin1969

Judging by the document, the tsar was simply zombified by "glorious allies" for this war. These same allies organized the Duma conspiracy. Without the organizational support of the Paleologist and Buchanan, all speeches in Petrograd would end in spontaneous speeches with no perspective on history.
People make history. And Russia was clearly unlucky with the last monarch. If the "master of the Russian land" did not have the will to fight for power, then his "problems of conscience" and "anointing" do not matter.

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On the whole, I agree with you, but the reasons for the war are usually financial, the burden of foreign debts forced the king to pay off soldiers' lives in the war with his cousin. Other reasons are secondary and wound propaganda.
PS By the way, the current Russian government with the liberal monarch of GDP makes the same mistake. She does not consider people a subject of power. She has privatized nation-wide values ​​and considers herself infallible. This is her dangerous fallacy. The people are the source of power and they will sweep away these liberal patriots who constantly betray him.

[Han Tengri]

datura23,

Quote: datura23

The Church is My Body, etc., according to the text, Vasya, Vasya, Vasya ...

Could you quote as it should, without "you, you, you ..."? Here is something like this:

"Accept. Eat: this is my body; drink from it all, this is my blood of the new testament" (Matt. 26, 26-28).

To make it clear that this He said, and not to hell whisper in your ears.

Quote: datura23

I read the Qur'an and thought about it, have you read the gospel?

You will not believe! I even read the Old Testament, about 10 times, and also: "Bhagavad-gita", "Diamond Sutra" and "Tao de Jin"! And, yes, I almost forgot ... "The Quran" without the "Hadith" - money down the drain!

[mkpda]

I look at this facsimile and wonder. In RI there was a law on succession to the throne, this document contradicts it. I could be wrong, but it was indicated that the emperor’s signature was made in pencil. Very strange document.