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What are you doing with us, Motherland?

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The Berd Brigade of the GRU special forces disbanded ... There was a memory ...

What are you doing with us, Motherland?


About the fact that the Berd special forces brigade disbanded in the course of military reform, the rumors went not so long ago. And suddenly - news: Berd special forces says goodbye to the banner! Berdchane and residents of the nearby regions are the backbone of the Berdsky Special Forces, many did not even believe it ... How is it that why one of the most combat-ready military units of the Russian army disappears before our eyes, and even in such a hurry? I called friends to my fellow soldiers to find out the details of the real situation in the brigade, I make an appointment.

We sit in the kitchen - on the table vodka, cucumbers, sausage. Palycha's wife left 'from sin', and we are alone in the apartment. Opposite me - the special forces major Petrov, the owner, we call him Palych, and at the side - lieutenant colonel of the special forces Repin, simply Yurich (the names, names and titles of the interlocutors are changed, hereinafter - notes of the author). We have long been acquainted: with Palych, we were in the same war, and even participated in one operation together. But Yurich didn’t have time for us to go to the 'Afghan', but he went through 'two' Chechen 'wars' from' and 'to'. The reason for the meeting is sad:
- Well - is it really all? - I ask.
The officers are silent, and I do not look them in the eyes - I can not force myself.
- Give for us, - says Palych, and we drink.
Yurich waves his hand:
- Everything, December 1 brigade will not. Yes, it is no longer in fact.
Both officers are externally pulled up, assembled, crepes are typical special forces, but the realization that their native Berd special forces commandos no longer exist simply kills them morally. And it can be seen too well.
- And instead of you - who will be here? - I ask.
- The rear part of some. Spetsnaz was removed, the rear men were installed - the army’s combat capability jumped to the skies ... - Repin replies bitterly.
- So, what is next? - I continue, - What will they do with you now? It is said that some will be transferred to Transbaikalia, to the same brigade.
- Well, I will not give out military secrets, - began Palych. - I will say this: let's take it conditionally that now there are as many officers in the Berd brigade 100, and in Irkutsk. According to the plans of military reformers, zero officers should remain in the Berd brigade, and in Irkutsk - 80. So count - how much will "translate". And so - go round as you like, look for yourself a place yourself, go to the infantry, to the tankers, go to the internal troops. Ensigns are generally destroyed 'under the root' - as a class.

- Yeah ..., - I shake my head. - Things and ...
- Yeah, zashibis affairs, our management is generally removed, - connects Yurich.
- I heard, I don’t believe something - how can the GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian Army) be removed altogether? - I utter incredulously. - They that there, in general from an oak fell? In August, a 2008 special forces group of three thousand Georgian brigades broke up in Senaki. Airborne scouts fly up to their base at BMDeshki, and there our “specialists” already eat shashlik - still hot! - the valiant Georgian rangers threw together with military equipment, and gave the battle. GRU is strategic weapon, GRU and the Strategic Missile Forces make Russia a world power!
- Power ... Now everything is transferred to money. Crisis, loot save, without GRU, such savings will trample! Korabelnikov (head of the GRU) began to resent, and where is he now?
“They took it,” I say.
- Right. Commander of the Airborne Forces Evtukhovich - where? There, retired. Who begins to be outraged - all removed, dismissed.
In the Berd brigade, there are six Heroes of Russia - this is Lieutenant Colonel Repin. “We are the best part of the GRU special forces, and we are under the knife?” Yes, the first? Forgotten, as on special forces, two Chechen wars were dragged out, and on the Afghan war — who gave the result with small losses? Infantry, or what?
- In Bamut, the fortified infantry stormed - how many boys in stupid attacks lay down! - Jurich blinks and shakes his head, pouring vodka. - Then a detachment of 'Pskovs' approached (the Pskov brigade of GRU special forces) asked for the situation. Infantry Commander:
- Why, we sat down in the rocket mines - we can not smoke in any way.
- Wait, we are trained to act in rocket mines, - says 'spec'. We conducted reconnaissance, got inside through the ventilation ducts, from the inside of all the 'bearded' from silent weapons killed - and not a single loss.

- And Hitler - what, was so stupid that he climbed on us? - Palych goes farther into the past. “I knew that Stalin had killed so many commanders that they put captains in the division.” Therefore, he climbed and arranged for us the summer of the 41st year. And pearls to Stalingrad, while new cadres with us did not grow in the war. How to gain experience and skill, then we flooded them. What, on the Kursk, we had the advantage in the forces? Yes, there was no serious advantage, even the lag was strong by tanks. They have 'Tigers', 'Ferdinandas', 'Panthers'. We have 'thirty-fours' with short-barreled 76-mm guns that did not take their armor.
- You do not touch Stalin, - grumbles Yurich. - We don’t touch kings at all. They are ... these, as their ...
“The anointed ones,” I suggest.
- In-in, untouchables.

Where did Chechnya come from? - continues Petrov. “They knew that there was no army in fact — Yeltsin, like the Soviet Union, destroyed it. They became impudent, and began to cut the Russians like pigs, with their whole families, to seize apartments and property, to keep Russian slaves, to trade slaves. Our realized - what to do? Come on, army, go ahead! And the generals refuse one by one: they know that there is no one to fight - experienced cadres have long been in the "citizen". Sparrows, Gromov refused. One took that from the biennial, from civilian high school. Well, the “eagles” in the ironed “chromachih” from the “Arbat military district” have suffered, which soldier's blood is like water:
- Come on, go ahead!
And now everyone knows these three words: the New Year assault on Grozny ...

The officers fell silent. The memories of those New Year days were too heavy. The Berd brigade was thrown (as well as other special forces) to perform tasks that were not typical for them: storming buildings, hauling out wounded, helping infantry units, which included only poorly trained schoolchildren yesterday, and not untrained lieutenants, many without military education. When the militants squeezed at the Grozny railway station, a consolidated detachment of two infantry units - the Maikop brigade and the 81 regiment - a group of Berd special forces threw them to the rescue. To at least save the Maikop commander. Special Forces Igor Leluh and Dmitry Yerofeyev were torn through several blocks of solid fire, and they died just before the station. They were posthumously Heroes of Russia.
We remember the special forces heroes: those whom the whole country knows, and those whom two dozen people know. We remember the victories in large and small wars. We recall how a company of Berdsky special forces fought for one and a half days against the 600 militants who advanced to Gudermes in order to capture the city: on 8 our fighters who died were killed near 150 of enemy corpses. We have no terminological balancing act in honor, we do not speak in bird language: “rendering international assistance to the brotherly people”, “counter-terrorist operation”, “disarming illegal armed groups”, “peace enforcement”. We say easier - war. For Petrov and Repin, this is a job that they do well. And how much time is needed to grow a good special forces soldier? Select it by many parameters - physical and psychological, train to perform combat missions in unfamiliar terrain, secretly penetrate carefully guarded strategic objects, fight in the environment of superior enemy forces, with a limited supply of water, food and ammunition, and at the same time emerge a winner. Years ... A competent spetsnaz commander?

The current Minister of Defense AE Serdyukov, who worked all his life in the field of furniture trade and tax collection, apparently argues as follows: special forces, infantry, tank crews - they are all shooting somewhere. So let them move from one kind of troops to another as needed - what difference does it make. This is about the same as a qualified turner who specializes in the manufacture of high-precision products, say:
- Listen, we have reform here, we do not need so many turners already. Come on the mortar site - a concrete worker. And what's the difference: you have something spinning there, and they spin too. So work.

- What am I going to say to Oleg Kuyanov? - Palych burns. - I will come to his grave, and I will say, everything, Oleg Viktorovich, Hero of the Russian Federation, is no longer our brigade! Her graduate of the Trade Institute, our present Minister of Defense, Serdyukov, broke up! And he told me from a photo, with his eyes:
- How is it, Palych, I told you then near Sernovodsk: leave, I will cover. I stayed alone against three hundred, and destroyed 38 from my sniper, until they threw me with grenades, and then they riddled me with machine guns and cut off my head. I died for special forces and for Russia! How so?!

Repin and I are silent. Outside the window is the usual life, in which now there is no place for special forces. He will reappear when the need comes. And she will come - sooner or later. And again there will be a lot of blood, and then a hard victory. Everything will repeat ...

How is Yura Shevchuk singing:
- Motherland ... To the bastards is gullible, well, and to us ...
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  1. Liberal
    Liberal April 22 2012 08: 22
    -135
    Are the provocateurs stirring up again ?! And you can't hide the orange-swamp ears of your customers! One more spetsnaz brigade, one less - this does not make the weather. Yes, any of the "Chechen" battalions can be better prepared for real military operations than all these special forces put together ...
    One thing you must know for sure - the commander and his team at a combat post! They know what and how to do with the army. We believe in the national leader and no zealots from the Washington regional committees, no paid articles, no attempts to cast a shadow on the decision-makers in this country - WILL NOT pass! Go Russia!!
    1. Fullback
      Fullback April 22 2012 08: 31
      +35
      Yeah, the elite part of the special forces does not do weather. People, why are you ???
      1. Novosibirsky
        Novosibirsky April 22 2012 08: 41
        +60
        My friend, she has already made the weather, so she made some people still "shit further than they see" (sorry in front of the ladies present). And it will be necessary - he will do it! The men have not gone anywhere, that's it! They scattered only everyone. But, it will be required to get together, and again "devils on fires" will go. Homeland is not Moscow ...
      2. domokl
        domokl April 22 2012 11: 47
        +22
        A terrible article ... Once upon a time, when in Berdsk there was not a brigade, but a company, I was there ... Well-trained specialists were ... It's a pity if the brigade is really disbanded ... Although, the GRU has been destroyed for 20 years ... on my own I know ... Too independent and understand too much ... Infantry is more convenient, even air-forward and do not care about losses ... Hold on guys ...
        1. Uncle Vova
          Uncle Vova April 22 2012 14: 53
          +5
          There is no brigade for a long time already. Have you paid attention to the date of writing the article in the lower right below it next to the author’s name? The material is dated May 2009. It is late to shed tears. There is one hope that Rogozin will be able to move at least something in this swamp.
        2. rate 60
          rate 60 April 23 2012 00: 18
          +5
          domoki I put you a big minus for your duplicity. Here you write the right words, but in all the other comments you violently defend the country's main traitor. Did Serdyukov decide to destroy the Berd special forces brigade? He is only a puppet fulfilling the will of the Jewish government led by Putin. this power, the destruction of Russia, and for this they first destroy the elite of the special forces army.
      3. Nick
        Nick April 22 2012 14: 41
        +1
        According to the statements of the beginning. General Staff Makarov, Officers of the Berd Brigade will be used to strengthen other units and will not be dismissed from service. Their combat experience will continue to be used in the troops ....
        God forbid, if so.
        http://www.grani.ru/Politics/Russia/Cabinet/m.148596.html
        1. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky April 22 2012 15: 00
          +2
          Reality corresponds only in a small part.
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac April 22 2012 18: 07
          0
          pay attention - According to the plans of the military reformers, there should be zero officers in the Berd brigade, and 80 in the Irkutsk brigade. So count how many will be 'transferred'

          To avoid copyright infringement, post a hyperlink to the original article: http://topwar.ru/13695-chto-zhe-ty-s-nami-delaesh-rodina.html if you fully trust the article, in fact everyone will be dismissed or transferred. or is betraying someone from the Irkutsk brigade to translate. Taburetkin clearly does not need special forces officers and special forces.
          1. Cap-3 USSR
            Cap-3 USSR April 23 2012 08: 49
            +1
            He (Taburetkin) generally does not seem to understand the difference between special forces and ordinary infantry. Correctly in the article about this.
        3. Cap-3 USSR
          Cap-3 USSR April 23 2012 08: 46
          +2
          Where will it be used, in infantry or construction battalion? Special forces units are formed and trained over the years, and therefore are so effective in fighting. And what will be the use of an infantry company if they have a special forces officer.
      4. chukapabra
        chukapabra April 22 2012 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: FullBack
        Yeah, the elite part of the special forces does not do weather. People, why are you ???

        These are people in whom huge amounts of money were invested, who passed an uncountable number of psychotests, mentally prepared to sacrifice themselves. Special naz is an army scalpel. People who have their own opinion and position. Someone is simply afraid of them, just to control the gray mass and soldiers for years. It’s scary from professionals who can make a coup or make a coup or, thanks to their authority, make people think. Such people are not needed by stools. Here is the result
      5. older
        older April 22 2012 23: 38
        +4
        Something I didn’t understand ... Read the signature carefully ... The article is already from the category of retro ... But GRU special forces must be protected ... Many have an elite in their throats ...
    2. Igorboss16
      Igorboss16 April 22 2012 08: 31
      +25
      when some one attacks us and stands with an automatic rifle attached to your head, you will be forced to change your mind, but it’s just such troops that can be the first to reach you to save your ass, but you’re far from this, and these the brigades destroyed your vaunted chicha that mother do not cry,
      Quote: Liberal
      One thing you must know for sure - the commander and his team at a combat post!

      and it’s good only as a bull’s milk
      1. Liberal
        Liberal April 22 2012 08: 47
        -53
        Quote: Igorboss16
        your praised


        Remember how they showed themselves during 080808! It is possible that only thanks to them our valiant army won such a crushing victory and entered itself forever in the Golden Book of Military Glory. A lot of optimism and consciousness citizen!
        After all, what is required of you? - D & C C AND P L I N A and blind faith in our august, irreplaceable National Leader. So win!
        1. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky April 22 2012 08: 59
          +30
          Quote: Liberal.
          Remember how they showed themselves during 080808!

          Nobody says that the Czechs are "cowardly and do not know how to fight"! But the spetsura felled them, felled and will continue to play! So this is for you
          Quote: Liberal.
          A lot of optimism and consciousness citizen!

          wink
          Quote: Liberal.
          After all, what is required of you? - D & C C AND P L I N A and blind faith in our august, irreplaceable National Leader. So win!

          Well, you are straight "a worker from provocation!" ))
          pys: Eh, a long time ago I did not go to this resource, here you see how, fun again! )))
        2. laurbalaur
          laurbalaur April 22 2012 16: 27
          +3
          Liberal, in my opinion, you are a provocateur! Especially about "august, replaceable"! Did you want to draw any parallels?
        3. Igorboss16
          Igorboss16 April 22 2012 18: 17
          +3
          you better remember how the Georgian troops fled as much as the heels sparkled, and how Saakashvili ate the tie nervously, it's all thanks to our valiant troops, and at that time your national leader destroyed the army with his reforms for the handle with Serdyukov
        4. Cap-3 USSR
          Cap-3 USSR April 23 2012 08: 55
          0
          Very much you see it across the throat, that August. Yes, and your owners.
    3. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim April 22 2012 08: 34
      +17
      And who are you to say so: one brigade more, one less. You are definitely not a patriot of your country! That's how Russia is degrading!
      1. Judah
        Judah April 22 2012 11: 31
        -40
        Russia is degrading from vodka. Even if for special forces drinking vodka is the norm, then the whole country is alcohol addicts. Your path is hell and oblivion.
        1. Igorboss16
          Igorboss16 April 22 2012 16: 02
          +4
          and how the earth only wears such
    4. Dust
      Dust April 22 2012 08: 35
      -2
      Ehidno, of course, but will not appreciate ...
    5. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 08: 38
      +10
      In general: for delirium there are special houses and chambers!
      Only the irony implied by the author of the post can save his bright appearance! )))
      In detail:
      Quote: Liberal
      One more brigade of special forces more, one less - this does not make the weather.

      It depends on which team.
      Quote: Liberal
      Yes, any of the "Chechen" battalions can be better prepared for real military operations than all these special forces put together ...

      You will tell the remains of bearded men who have the coolest eggs! We don't need to "cast bullets". We do not know from the newspapers "who dyed radishes underground." ;)
      Quote: Liberal
      One thing you must know for sure - the commander and his team at a combat post! They know what and how to do with the army. We believe in the national leader and no zealots from the Washington regional committees, no paid articles, no attempts to cast a shadow on the decision-makers in this country - WILL NOT pass! Go Russia!!

      Well, in general, "oil painting", "uncle jokes on our fragile minds"! )))
      1. Sergh
        Sergh April 22 2012 09: 15
        +20
        Guys, I didn’t understand something of humor, admins, wake up! This article will soon be in its fourth year (Posted by Andrey Voroshen on 04.05.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        ), why is the stuffing so nasty to do?
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor April 22 2012 11: 02
          +4
          Quote: Sergh
          This article will be followed soon by the fourth year (Posted by Andrey Voroshen on 04.05.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX), why should such a nasty stuff be done?

          Orange hamsters to amuse once again !!! am
          And in the 90s, they cut all half of the nuclear submarines and missiles! wassat
          3 atomic icebreakers steamed! wassat
          % 80 factories of the defense industry and research institutes went bankrupt! wassat
          The army needs a 70% upgrade of morally and technically obsolete weapons!
          In you - homyachillam jumped so much so - rejoice - while they give. am
          That is, we, normal and adequate people, understand that these are all things of bygone years. Now - everything is different.
          Russia is confidently getting on its feet, the army is rearming, the defense industry factories are being built and plowed in 3 shifts, Science does not stand still.
          And so it will always be.
          So - you are an endangered species - Hamsters are orange. Your times are long gone. Something of you in the 90s - was neither seen nor heard. And as things began to get better, everything came back to normal - so podizalizy at once - like grebes after a radioactive rain. Where were you in the 90s? AND? When - really - was the country in clinical death? AND?
          I know only one Person - who pulled her out of all this Mr. ..... - our President. He wound around the country - and led, lifted Russia from his knees. And you and your Leaders at this time - stuffed pockets with grandmothers - traders and hucksters. And you did not care about the people and Russia.
          The same Anal - so in general - studied in America. All the rest .... - they piled into England.
          And right now - they were suddenly offended for their homeland. For a simple Russian people. So you all go .. ... !!! am - ..... love .....! am angry
          1. ozs
            ozs April 22 2012 13: 52
            +12
            I’m reading your kamenty and I have the opinion that you are either or just a paid Cossack.

            Do you believe the gnome? Then say please, would you go to heal not to the doctor, but to the steelworker, for example? No? Then, what the x ..... our Minister of Defense is a man who has nothing to do with the army?

            You are our adequate, tell me why you are grateful to the gnome?
            And then, as I don’t read your comment, everywhere there is one prayer for the terrible 90s.
          2. dim
            dim April 22 2012 16: 46
            +2
            Toko we understand normal and adequate people. we remember we remember how you adequately and clearly in the comments for the pu regime called. how he himself later admitted that he was drunk. The fun was reading your statements
          3. nycsson
            nycsson April 22 2012 21: 01
            +2
            Quote: Neighbor
            That is, we, normal and adequate people, understand that these are all things of bygone years.

            Do not make me laugh !!! Are you normal or something ??? De ....... la piece ........
            1. Neighbor
              Neighbor April 23 2012 17: 09
              -3
              Quote: nycsson
              De ....... la piece ........

              And you - Mr. .... on a piece of cake !!! tongue
              And all your Troll - a company - one continuous G .... but !!!
              It’s good though - that I’m unhealthy and miserable - I’m not offended.
              Live - while I allow. tongue
          4. rate 60
            rate 60 April 23 2012 00: 47
            0
            Thank you neighbor for my exaltation and blind worship of the next order of yours.
        2. gojesi
          gojesi April 22 2012 11: 27
          +9
          Quote: Sergh
          This article will soon be in its fourth year (Posted by Andrey Voroshen on 04.05.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          ), why is the stuffing so nasty to do?

          removed the stone from the soul ... Really "throw in". And I thought: - how shitty Sunday began to you, for the information, a big plus!
        3. woland05
          woland05 April 22 2012 15: 12
          -2
          This is a provocation. And a lot of people were led. Article - to ignore ...
        4. dim
          dim April 22 2012 16: 49
          +1
          yes hike hidden opinion poll
    6. Hyperboreas
      Hyperboreas April 22 2012 09: 10
      -7
      Your commander has already sold all of Russia for a long time. Now only the army will collapse to the end, and EVERYTHING can be entered by NATO troops!
      1. Vanek
        Vanek April 22 2012 13: 39
        +4
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Your commander has already sold all of Russia for a long time. Now only the army will collapse to the end, and EVERYTHING can be entered by NATO troops!


        And your?
    7. albert2034
      albert2034 April 22 2012 09: 59
      +15
      What a liberal you are. You are with such reasoning. There is a deliberate destruction of the army, its officer corps. This is a US order. AND YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS AS ITS EXECUTOR.
    8. suomi
      suomi April 22 2012 10: 58
      +2
      Something, Comrade Liberal, it seems to me that you had a hand in the appearance of this article.
    9. gojesi
      gojesi April 22 2012 11: 02
      +13
      Satya clearly presses on emotions! To make the right decision on it, it is necessary to take into account the fact that the KGB (Putin) and the GRU military intelligence of the General Staff have always been deadly enemies!
      If we assume (ONLY ALLOWED) that Putin is an enemy, that he is a State Department Program, then the disbandment of the most combat-ready parts of Russia is a logical and logical step, to which the 5th column has nothing to do. But something says that something is wrong in the article ... they too press a tear.
      But if this is 100% true, then Russia P ... C
    10. dark_65
      dark_65 April 22 2012 11: 02
      +1
      Would stroke you gently, on the head ... twenty times ... ... shell-shocked.
    11. Judah
      Judah April 22 2012 11: 09
      -32
      Special Forces thumps vodka with Ukhaha sausage !!! Ivashka, let's finish your vodka, bydlyak, make room for healthy normal people. Your place is a slave for a glass of swill. Is the vodka over? we will sell you isho, only degrade as soon as possible, a drunk pig. Your vodka is not in a glass that you can’t take from you, your vodka is your skeleton that you can’t take out of you
      1. Novosibirsky
        Novosibirsky April 22 2012 11: 17
        +14
        The degree of inadequacy of this post has passed the level of acceptable, and was timely blocked by my sense of humor! laughing Burn on, genatsivali, we are bored without fools!
      2. sergeant1973
        sergeant1973 April 22 2012 15: 24
        +4
        Bite your tongue !!!!!!!!!! not for you to judge us!
    12. late
      late April 22 2012 11: 12
      +5
      Why are you scraping something? Do you even know what you’re climbing on now, and that you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK IT! Have you ever served in the army, obscurantism?
    13. Viktor123
      Viktor123 April 22 2012 11: 30
      +2
      Liberal! You probably went through vodka (or chatters) yesterday! And in the morning on old yeast, a fresh batch of sober! And the fun went!
      God grant that you with the scythe passed. do not rely on her compassion and warmth.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek April 22 2012 12: 22
        +7
        Why is the comment still not deleted? For cattle, skeletons, for degradation, drunk pigs, etc. AND? Why is he here?

        REMOVE DO NOT SLOWLY
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor April 22 2012 13: 02
          -5
          And ban him for a month at least - slap it! am - to this non-Russian! angry
          1. laurbalaur
            laurbalaur April 22 2012 16: 32
            +6
            Definitely non-Russian! Is Judah like Judah? Did I understand correctly?
        2. 755962
          755962 April 22 2012 13: 03
          +2
          Only ENEMIES do this.
    14. smile
      smile April 22 2012 13: 30
      +4
      Liberal
      Until now, your ... judgments make an abominable impression. It’s just not clear where so much irrational hatred, petty and petty gloating comes from ... It feels like you are expecting any joyless events in the life of Russia like a breath of air and savoring them with perverse pleasure .... it’s not disgusting to yourself in the atmosphere that you spread reside? Have you been offended very much in childhood? Or what hurts? So go through a course of treatment, do not poison your life.
      1. nitro
        nitro April 22 2012 15: 07
        +4
        in the United States, it’s similar to disband one of the leading parts of the MTR, and no one will even think of it! .. Congress and the media will simply be destroyed without looking laughing
        1. Cap-3 USSR
          Cap-3 USSR April 23 2012 09: 05
          0
          And we have that politicians, that the media, in the eyes of some candy wrappers are green, they really have no problem.
    15. urchik
      urchik April 22 2012 15: 04
      0
      In my opinion, I don’t understand the point and the meaning of the statement ... sorry my friend ...
    16. Drednout
      Drednout April 22 2012 17: 59
      +2
      Quote: Liberal
      One thing you must know for sure - the commander and his team at a combat post!

      Are you joking, sir?
    17. starshina78
      starshina78 April 22 2012 18: 39
      +8
      The provocateur is you! Liberal, your mother! That you, a person who has probably never served or sniffed gunpowder, can reason like that. Spetsnaz in all armies of the world is an ELITE that is cherished, they do everything to make spetsnaz there! Such as you and your commander and team have brought to the point that the country is on the verge of collapse and degradation. The commander and his team, destroyed the most combat-ready units, drove out all standing officers, closed military schools and academies. The commander and his team did nothing good for the country: they increased their dependence on the "oil needle" even more, they spend money on projects like Skolkovo, while real science is dying, they are introducing a complete commercialization of everything and teaching at school, treatment in a hospital, etc. .d. (83 Law), they should be tried for one entry into the WTO, they arrange a NATO transshipment base in Russia. The people have the impression (this opinion was expressed to me personally wherever I would not be on duty and on vacation during conversations) that all this is being done so that one day we wake up in a country that is under NATO. The time will come, perhaps, when all this will become a criminal case. God forbid!
    18. nycsson
      nycsson April 22 2012 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: Liberal
      One more spetsnaz brigade, one less - this does not make the weather. Yes, any of the "Chechen" battalions can be better prepared for real military operations than all these special forces put together ...

      De ..... la you piece ............
    19. mind1954
      mind1954 April 22 2012 21: 52
      0
      In my memory, with the country and the army, so many things were done that I,
      just, I stop understanding, but why, in general, is there a military
      oath? !
      I was lucky to work at the forefront in Mosenergo!
      Old equipment, meager salaries, no money for anything.
      There are no people, the authorities take bribes, drags everything that can.
      The bosses need to retire, but they don’t want to go to the pennies!
      And so, they began to form the apparatus of the so-called inspectors,
      with good salaries! Which with their checks, in practice,
      paralyzed normal operation !!!

      Now in the army they form a corps of the same retired generals
      inspectors with good salaries !!! I have no doubt for a moment
      that there, of course, are not experienced and knowledgeable, but scum ready for everything
      Yeltsin's call !!! So, what kind of brigade is there - NO MONEY !!!
    20. kontrzasada20
      kontrzasada20 April 22 2012 22: 35
      +1
      Liberal, did you hit your head hard?
    21. Krilion
      Krilion April 23 2012 01: 14
      0
      Quote: Liberal
      One thing you must know for sure - the commander and his team at a combat post! They know what and how to do with the army. We believe in the national leader and no zealots from the Washington regional committees, no paid articles, no attempts to cast a shadow on the decision-makers in this country - WILL NOT pass! Go Russia!!


      I understand that it was sarcasm ... but most did not understand and threw cons ... happens ...
    22. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross April 23 2012 12: 34
      +1
      Liberal,
      You are 5 points for the ability to say stupid things! I have never seen such a number of minuses in my life!

      Quote: Liberal
      And you won’t hide the orange-swamp ears of your customers!

      Are you looking in the mirror now ???
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim April 22 2012 08: 22
    +3
    Well doing ?! That's how our army becomes shallow, thanks to some minds! crying angry
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 22 2012 08: 31
    +26
    Here, I don’t even know what to write. Probably not need to write, but to shoot all the freaks, Serdyukov and others like him
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 22 2012 08: 38
      +14
      Serdyukov and others like him

      take it higher, without a sneeze from there, the stool will not take a step, or it is given to him from above full Carte blanche...
  4. mishan
    mishan April 22 2012 08: 32
    +5
    Damn, the blood boils when you read! Complete carelessness of the leadership, the officers are right that when the "top" thinks better, it will be too late, there will be a war and there will be unjustified losses! And when will they stop treating us like meat? By the way, the article is dated 2009, maybe who knows, the situation has changed? Hope dies last ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 22 2012 08: 35
      +1
      Well, given that the GRU is going to translate into the SVR, the answer is obvious ...
    2. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: Mishan
      can anyone know the situation has changed?

      For the teams, nothing has changed.
    3. Tiberium
      Tiberium April 22 2012 10: 15
      +2
      Quote: Mishan
      when the "top" comes to their senses it will be too late, there will be war and there will be unjustified losses!

      Judging by the article, there will be nobody to lose. In the Great Patriotic War, we won at the cost of millions of losses, but people sacrificed themselves for their country. And now, who will go to defend their homeland? Yes, there are patriots in our country, but they are a minority. The younger generation is not very eager for the army. And what does power do? Disbands the remaining elite. Very sad. recourse
  5. YARY
    YARY April 22 2012 08: 33
    0
    So much for Sir Duke! am
    Sorry, but only the mat remains
  6. Dust
    Dust April 22 2012 08: 34
    0
    And when our Yesaul will pull our brains to heal and prove to us that this is precisely the cunning plan?
    1. 3412
      3412 April 23 2012 02: 30
      0
      at the meeting with the prime minister he receives new instructions and an envelope with babos
  7. Liberal
    Liberal April 22 2012 08: 36
    0
    What am I going to say to Oleg Kuyanov now? - Palych inflames. - I’ll come to his grave, and I’ll say, they say, everyone, Oleg Viktorovich, Hero of the Russian Federation, there is no more our brigade! Her current graduate of the trade institute, our current Minister of Defense Serdyukov dispersed! And he told me from a photograph, with his eyes:
    - How is it, Palych, I told you then near Sernovodsk: leave, I will cover. I stayed alone against three hundred, and destroyed 38 from my sniper, until they threw me with grenades, and then they riddled me with machine guns and cut off my head. I died for special forces and for Russia! How so?!


    Is this political myopia or a real provocation ?! It’s not for nothing that Oleg Kuyanov gave his life! Remember this !!
    1. Reddragon
      Reddragon April 22 2012 12: 25
      +5
      Chechnya shines with skyscrapers and neon. Kadir - with a golden pistol and an armored BMW. And in the republic 40% of unemployment!
      1. Novosibirsky
        Novosibirsky April 22 2012 12: 47
        +4
        Game room of Mr. Kadyrov.
      2. flukked
        flukked April 22 2012 12: 49
        +3
        And why should they work, money flows by the river and without work. It is necessary for the Russian to work.
        1. woland05
          woland05 April 22 2012 15: 14
          -2
          Well, howl, whine ...
          1. virm
            virm April 23 2012 11: 56
            -1
            Well, howl, whine ...

            Come on, Putin and Medvedev, tell us tales of what's in the North. In the Caucasus, the same citizens of the Russian Federation live as the Yaroslavl region. Also Russians.

            PS 05 - Dagestan.
  8. Tomma
    Tomma April 22 2012 08: 37
    +5
    Question to this "Liberai". Why are you cute these animals, feeding them from your little hands? If they have gotten you? Feed, feed.
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 08: 40
      -24
      Don’t forget about article 282 ... xenophobia, fascism and chauvinism will not work either!
      1. Vadim555
        Vadim555 April 22 2012 15: 41
        +4
        Quote: Liberal.
        Liberal Today, 08:40 -19
        You do not forget about article 282


        Nothing is eternal under the Moon.

        And article 58 may be much closer than some people think.

        "Liberasts" and "renegades" of all stripes, dedicated.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do7b4Bd3zsQ&context=C44e125bADvjVQa1PpcFNUdC1enCD



        A8J_sRyMnCc5nNwCc8CYMgVQ =
  9. zevs379
    zevs379 April 22 2012 08: 39
    +9
    What is it that turns out? In Siberia, special forces are not needed? And will the Chinese grandmother clean their faces? Does Taburetkin even understand what he did? Or quietly surrender Siberia?
    And what did Putin not know about this? My suspicions are not good. angry
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 22 2012 18: 13
      0
      it is said - they will be transferred to the Irkutsk brigade. Only near China and will remain
  10. YARY
    YARY April 22 2012 08: 44
    +6
    am am am
    Alpha (specializing in the release of hostages) and Vympel - units of the Special Purpose Center of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation
    URSN - Special Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR
    Vityaz, Russia, Rosich, Lynx, Ural, Scythian - special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation
    218 obatSpN (Moscow, MVO), 16 obrSpN (Tambov, MVO), 2 obrSpN (Pskov, LenVO), 22 guards obrSpN (Aksay, SKVO), 10 obrSpN (Hot Key, SKVO), 12 obrSpN (Asbest-5, PrUVO ), 3 Guards ObrSpN (Samara; 67 obrSpN (Berdsk, SibVO), 24 obrSpN (Ulan-Ude, SibVO), 14 obrSpN (Ussuriysk, Far East) - Special Forces GRU GSH
    Special Forces Pacific Fleet, Black Sea Fleet, BF, SF
    45th Airborne Reconnaissance Regiment
    Separate operational assignment division of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation (ODON, former Dzerzhinsky Division (OMSDON))
    am am am
    "Do not be the master's will
    would not give away Moscow! "
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 22 2012 17: 38
      +1
      If you remember that "V" (Pennant) originally belonged to the 1st head office (foreign intelligence), then the ebn dispersed it, then they handed it over to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. Wait, the FSB TsSN, and initially duplicated the tasks of the GRU, saboteurs are shorter ...
  11. taseka
    taseka April 22 2012 08: 45
    +8
    Initially, the Asbestov GRU brigade, now the Berd GRU brigade? I also have bad suspicions!
    angry
  12. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 April 22 2012 08: 46
    +9
    It’s sad. You don’t need such a minister of defense as chairs and enemies. Rather, he would have already given him the GDP of a podzhopnik ...
    1. sergeant1973
      sergeant1973 April 22 2012 15: 28
      +3
      Yes, I agree Serdyuk must be driven by a filthy broom !!!!
  13. Novosibirsky
    Novosibirsky April 22 2012 08: 53
    +16
    Quote: zevs379
    What is it that turns out? In Siberia, special forces are not needed?

    I wrote a long time ago, there is an opinion that the brigades did not "die" by the death of the brave on the battlefield, I became a victim of a struggle of a completely different level ... Undercover struggle between the Defense Ministry and the General Staff against the GRU!
    Such a force in the regions is the foundation for separatism (for especially crazy strategists) and a threat to the center. While the Taliban and the Czechs had to be "combed against the grain," they paid, as it calmed down - to the dump. Vomit souls.

    Yesterday I had the honor to visit the "Aley of Heroes" at the cemetery in Berdsk.
    Clean, beautiful, well maintained.
    And ... "Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten"!
  14. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 22 2012 08: 54
    +7
    The article is old, so I don’t see any reason to be indignant! The train left! It’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen. It is strange that she even appeared here.
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 09: 12
      +12
      But what would "No one is forgotten ..." and appeared!
  15. Odessa
    Odessa April 22 2012 08: 57
    +8
    The special forces will rust without work. Disassembling will not lead to anything good. I don’t even want to write further (.... the next is an excellent Russian mat ..... that they ..s ... ki .... pokh ... .or ..... there?)
  16. Tersky
    Tersky April 22 2012 08: 58
    +10
    Guys, don’t be ignorant of this Liberasta, this news was three years old in March, so this is far from an unpleasant but experienced moment. And he flooded the article himself, (look at the first comment on him). As for himself, I can say one thing, all his patriotism is that the worse Russia is, the sweeter it is for him, the rest is all words.
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 09: 04
      -24
      You slander, you direct in vain! The moderators will confirm - I did not upload this article and the first one spoke out that they say there is no need to panic. Enemies are just waiting for this, any pretext is used to pump and rock the yachts .. that is, galleys laughing
  17. Tersky
    Tersky April 22 2012 09: 16
    +5
    Liberal“Have you and me already?” Something I did not see you in my friends and relatives.
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 09: 20
      -19
      Do not flood the citizen and try to lie less. smile
  18. Shum86
    Shum86 April 22 2012 09: 21
    +2
    It's a shame (Who did this - everyone to the wall !!!
  19. Tersky
    Tersky April 22 2012 09: 24
    +8
    Freel- Yes, I agree that I am a citizen of RUSSIA, but who you are is another question. Flood just from you all sides sprinkles, well, so it’s understandable, you need to work out 30 Judaic silver pieces, you can not doubt their abilities, it turns out great good
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 09: 27
      -12
      "We do not plow, do not sow, do not build -; We are proud of the social order" (c)
      Go Russia! To new victories, to great achievements in a bright innovative and nanotechnological future under the strict guidance of the Party, Government and National Leader !!

      Who are against those enemies on a salary at the Washington regional committee! - honest pioneer ... laughing
      1. freedom
        freedom April 22 2012 09: 49
        +1
        Do not lie, liberals like you were not accepted as pioneers.
      2. late
        late April 22 2012 11: 28
        +1
        YES YOU REALLY, THROW YOUR OWN ADDRESS HERE, I WILL UNDERGROUND AND THE TANTER OF YOUR ROTTEN PUT ON ...
        1. Colonel
          Colonel April 22 2012 12: 41
          +4
          Liberal, you probably both plow and sow, and maybe build. Just don’t be proud .. So what? Your comments are given by prostitution. Remind you
          I have a job, an apartment, a country house, friends and relatives in St. Petersburg and the Len Region. Borders are open, shops are crowded with goods, working and earning a commander’s mode doesn’t bother me.

          Anything else you can say about the Washington Regional Committee? Or are these not your words? And Russia will go forward, but without you, I hope
      3. nycsson
        nycsson April 22 2012 21: 17
        0
        Quote: Liberal.
        Who are against those enemies on a salary at the Washington regional committee! - honest pioneer ...

        That's who on Washington’s salary is you !!!!
  20. Shum86
    Shum86 April 22 2012 09: 26
    +9
    Liberast disappear !!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 09: 30
      -16
      Don't cry girl
      it will rain
      the liberalist will disappear
      you wait for the current ....
      1. with
        with April 22 2012 11: 01
        +6
        Quote: Liberal.
        Don't cry girl
        it will rain
        the liberalist will disappear
        you wait for the current ....


        Hamsters, hamsters, don't disturb the soldiers
        Let the soldiers sleep a little ...
  21. Scholarships
    Scholarships April 22 2012 09: 38
    +5
    they will remember Serdyukov for a long time with an unkind word ..
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 09: 53
      -8
      And what is he really dismissing? The reform of the army is progressing quite successfully, the national leader is satisfied and this is the main thing.
  22. Tersky
    Tersky April 22 2012 09: 44
    +15
    Liberal- To grandmother for a salary, to her darling, do not be late, the weak was waiting ...
    1. Liberal
      Liberal April 22 2012 09: 51
      -20
      Ideological diversion! bully The national leader of YOU will not praise for this ...
      1. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus April 22 2012 10: 34
        +22
        I thought not to interfere .... but I have a question where you were so smart liberals ... when the planes were out of fuel and when there was a complete oop .... how did it happen that in small Chechnya people were sold like cattle? And to remind you where it came to ... and now you are pushing raches in the squares .... better read this http://topwar.ru/10657-rossiya-ukreplyaet-yug-strany.html it will be fresher "Ministry of Defense of the Russian The Federation decided on the need to deploy two additional special forces units in Stavropol and Kislovodsk. " Of course I live in Ukraine, but it doesn't bother me to see the bastard ...
        1. with
          with April 22 2012 11: 03
          +12
          Quote: viruskvartirus
          Of course I live in Ukraine, but it does not bother me to see the bastard ....


          You can’t say better good
      2. freedom
        freedom April 22 2012 12: 52
        +3
        What hysteria, liberalist? Ochku?
      3. Odinplys
        Odinplys April 23 2012 01: 13
        +2
        Liberal,
        Everyone understood you already ... Hackers work ... stay home ... have already left for you ...
        Do not be afraid ... it will not hurt ...
    2. freedom
      freedom April 22 2012 09: 54
      +10
      In! A beautiful face is a symbol of all liberals! Nemtsov’s girlfriend?
      1. Internet fighter
        Internet fighter April 22 2012 12: 00
        +18
        Nemtsov’s girlfriend?

        If! Nemtsov’s things are easier ... They are driven by the true values ​​of liberalism.

        1. freedom
          freedom April 22 2012 12: 50
          +3
          +. I'm not quite in that sense. Meant guiding and guiding.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 24 2012 08: 55
          +1
          looking at the pictures clearly one person never changes !!


          1997: Working visit of First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Boris Nemtsov and Deputy Security Council of Russia Boris Berezovsky to Baku.
          There are meetings, official events, signed documents.
          And in the evening at the residence of Heydar Aliyev, dinner in a narrow circle.
          Toasts are pronounced, there is talk of important and not very important matters.
          And somewhere by the end of the evening, Heydar Aliyev asked Nemtsov a question:
          -Boris Efimovich, when are you leaving for Moscow?
          -I’m leaving tomorrow, the slightly drunken Nemtsov answers
          - It’s a pity, we would have stayed together with Boris Abromovich, we would have looked at the city, says Geidar Alievich
          -Do you know Geidar Alievich, I can’t, girls are waiting for me in Moscow, suddenly Nemtsov declares
          Aliyev does not react to this at all, and eats dessert while looking at the plate.
          Nemtsov does not calm down and continues:
          -And what do you know, Geidar Alievich, now in Moscow there are such beautiful and young girls.
          Aliyev continues to calmly watch and eat dessert.
          -And what do they have now very affordable, the Nemtsov does not calm down with a slightly braided tongue.
          Aliyev continues to look at the plate and fumble with a fork for dessert.
          Meanwhile, Berezovsky, who realized that Nemtsov was saying something wrong, started kicking Nemtsov with his foot under the table, but this does not help, and Nemtsov continues:
          -And what does Geidar Alievich have, they are all now standing on Tverskaya Street
          Aliyev again has zero emotions, looks at the plate and fumbles with a fork for dessert. And Berezovsky continues to beat Nemtsov under the table.
          Nemtsov is not relented.
          -And the most interesting, Geidar Alievich, that all these girls are from Belarus!
          Then Aliev raises his head and looking directly into Nemtsov’s eyes says:
          - Well, you’ve signed an alliance agreement with Belarus!
          Nemtsov from laughter falls with a chair.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 22 2012 09: 56
      +9
      Yes ETOGES, dear liberal grandmother, and an apple from an apple tree .....
  23. albert2034
    albert2034 April 22 2012 10: 08
    +9
    AND YOU ARE A LIBERAL DERMOKRAT, SAME PROVOCATOR. NOT FOR THE MONEY OF OUR FRIENDS - AMERICOS WILL GO TO THE SONG. And GRANDMA THIS YOU, SURELY, BROUGHT.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson April 22 2012 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: albert2034
      AND YOU ARE A LIBERAL DERMOKRAT, SAME PROVOCATOR. NOT FOR THE MONEY OF OUR FRIENDS - AMERICOS WILL GO TO THE SONG. And GRANDMA THIS YOU, SURELY, BROUGHT.

      Exactly!!!
  24. Atlon
    Atlon April 22 2012 10: 19
    +6
    Posted by: Andrey Voroshen 04.05.2009g.
    Is the news rotten then?

    The GRU special forces organizationally consists of separate brigades, which are part of the front-line kit of the district intelligence chief, and in the wartime - the Front. In addition, the development of the combat training program and the monitoring of its implementation, the development of new equipment and weapons are carried out by the Special Intelligence Division of the 14th Directorate of the GRU of the General Staff of the Russian Federation.

    The composition of the GRU army special forces
    2nd separate special-purpose brigade of the GRU (p. Promezhitsy, r. Pskova, LenVO): brigade management, 70th separate detachment SPN, 177th separate detachment SPN, 329th separate detachment SPN, 700th separate detachment SpN, school of junior specialists, special radio communications detachment, MTO company.
    3rd Separate Special Purpose Brigade (c. Chernorechye Pri VO)
    10th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Molkino settlement, Krasnodar Territory, North Caucasian Military District): brigade management, 85th separate spn detachment, 95th separate spn detachment, 104th separate spn detachment, 551st separate spn detachment, 107th separate detachment of the Special Forces, 4th separate training battalion, MTO company.
    14th separate special-purpose brigade (Ussuriysk, Far East Military District)
    16th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Tambov, Moscow Military District): brigade management, 273rd separate detachment of the special forces, 370th separate detachment of the special forces, 379th separate detachment of the special forces, 664th separate detachment of the special forces, 669th separate detachment SpN, company MTO.
    The 22nd separate guards brigade for special purposes of the GRU (Stepnoy, Rostov Region, North Caucasus Military District): brigade management, 108th separate detachment of the Special Forces, 173rd separate detachment of the Special Forces, 305th separate detachment of the Special Forces, 411th separate detachment of the Special Forces , 56th separate training detachment SPN, company MTO.
    24th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Irkutsk, Siberian Military District): brigade management, 281st separate detachment SPN, 641st separate detachment SPN,? -Th separate detachment SPN,? -Th separate detachment SPN, detachment of special radio communications, separate company of special mining, MTO company.

    The special intelligence direction 14 of the GRU command through the intelligence department of the headquarters of the fleets of the Navy oversees the naval intelligence points of the Navy special forces.
    137 RPPSn - Tuapse - Black Sea Fleet
    561 SSBN - p. Parusnoye - Baltic Fleet
    420 RPPSn - settlement Zverosovkhoz - Northern Fleet
    42 RPPS - about. Russian - Pacific Fleet
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 10: 28
      +17
      Quote: Atlon
      Is the news rotten then?

      The section is called "Opinion"! What other questions ?!

      The GRU special forces theme is holy for many! And the topic of disbanding GRU brigades, with such experience and history, will never be forgotten and forgiven by this government.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson April 22 2012 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: Atlon
      Is the news rotten then?

      Such news does not go bad!
  25. Kochetkov.serzh
    Kochetkov.serzh April 22 2012 10: 25
    +8
    made a big mistake ....
  26. sedoii
    sedoii April 22 2012 10: 30
    +8
    Another blow of the "fifth" column to the defenders of the Motherland.
  27. vladik321
    vladik321 April 22 2012 10: 55
    +6
    If this is true. So let the Airborne Forces And the Marpekhs undercut, why are they for the Motherland. The staffs will leave and will fight on maps (. I have no offense but anger on the brainless. No comment .. more
  28. Atlon
    Atlon April 22 2012 11: 17
    +9
    And nothing in Tambov (where I live) NEVER had any scouts or special forces. And as a result of the reform now there are:
    16th separate GRU special-purpose brigade (Tambov, Moscow Military District): brigade management, 273rd separate detachment of the special forces, 370th separate detachment of the special forces, 379th separate detachment of the special forces, 664th separate detachment of the special forces, 669th separate detachment SpN, company MTO.

    I’m already silent about what devastation was on the territory of the former chemical school, which by the way was transferred to Kostroma. In Kostroma, I was also in a school, there is a training base not like Tambov, a friend of mine studied there. And in Tambov there is now a NORMAL military unit. They rebuilt a new educational building (to replace the one that collapsed in the 90s), completed the modern barracks (which had been under construction since Soviet times), handed over new apartments to officers (who previously huddled in rented apartments in the private sector around the school, without basic amenities). Yes, a lot has been done. I can see it with my own eyes, because it is in my area of ​​the city. And lamentations about the alleged "destruction" of elite units, this is just orange propaganda. More recently, there were screams about the Air Force. And who was any of the lamenters in the city of Korenovsk, Krasnodar Territory? Did you see what kind of town there was built for 50 thousand people? With schools, kindergartens, supermarkets and clinics? Have you seen how the airfield, which had been sown with sunflowers twenty years earlier, started working? Why is nobody talking about this? And that, in the days of the USSR, the units were not disbanded? Yes, the banner is lost during the disbandment, but the place for the well-deserved banner is in the museum of the Soviet Army. Go there who has not been, there are such banners from destroyed disbanded parts, many! And this is not a tragedy, this is the pride of our Motherland! Fighting, well-deserved banners! But time does not stand still, a lot is changing. Nobody wants to lament about the "destruction" of the First Cavalry Army? And nobody wants to remember the Lifeguard? Honored soldiers were ...
    So stop the tantrum! A military man should do not what he likes, but what they will order, and what is for the good of the motherland. Here is my opinion.
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 11: 29
      +16
      I will answer with Russian folk wisdom. "It's one thing to do - it's another not to spoil."
      Disbandment of the most combat-ready units, with history, with personnel, with experience, with mat. base - sabotage. And no "good" goals can whitewash this! The history of the unit is a banner, it is pride, it is its true patriotism and a guarantee of its future.
      But such a "carving at the root and on the meat" - inspires the officer that no one needs him, and the authorities will sell him for a sniff of tobacco at any moment, like a dog to the Beetle, and kick him out into the street. How many of our officers were there on the street ?! I know them by sight.

      The article is emotional, but to the point. These are the emotions our boys experienced when they equalized their feelings from the pavement! And there is no subtext here, neither "Orazhist", nor "Khomyachkovsky", nor any other that can be imagined by anyone.
      Purely, specifically, peasant conversation, "for life" point
      Here is my opinion.
    2. urchik
      urchik April 22 2012 15: 31
      +3
      16 OBrSpN this former Chuchkovskaya was transferred to Tambov, the former employees of this unit (according to the forums) still do not understand the meaning of the transfer. But as for the abandoned parts, I advise you to drive through Siberia, the Far East, BAM and you will see everything.
  29. Tersky
    Tersky April 22 2012 11: 26
    +6
    Quote: Atlon
    Nobody wants to lament about the "destruction" of the First Cavalry Army?
    Pavel, plus definitely for koment! Just so much negativity over the past two decades, people have endured that they see everything only in black. Well, if there are minuses, then there are pluses, well, not how unscrupulous to see them.
  30. 8 company
    April 22 2012 11: 31
    +26
    Guys, the author of the article, I am Vorosheni Andrei Petrovich. Placed it to remember. The guys from the Berdsky Special Forces carried the significant burden of the 2 Chechen wars on their shoulders and deserve to be remembered and thanked from time to time. My opinion: one of the most combat-ready units of the army has been destroyed - this is an obvious fact. What for? Is this the point of military reform? A lot of good is done, I do not argue, but a lot of stupidity. The fact that a complete ignoramus was engaged in military reform in military affairs is incredible stupidity.

    Regarding the posts of the "liberal": this post is engaged in outright provocations and, in my opinion, deserves the close attention of the moderators. For the rest, I suggest not to stress too much about his provocations.

    With respect to everyone (except the "liberal"),
    Voroshen A.P.
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: Company 8
      Guys, the author of the article, I am Vorosheni Andrei Petrovich.

      Thank you, Andrei Petrovich.
      Quote: Company 8
      Placed it to remember.

      I get it. Remember, do not hesitate.
      Quote: Company 8
      The fact that a complete ignoramus was engaged in military reform in military affairs is incredible stupidity.

      I agree.
      Quote: Company 8
      Respectfully to all

      Mutually.
    2. albert2034
      albert2034 April 22 2012 12: 27
      +5
      Thank you very much for the flight. The topics and comments showed that many people are worried about mother_Russia .. Our SUPREME LEADERS would understand this. Then it will be good. Write more. Always support.
  31. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum April 22 2012 11: 33
    +9
    Why are you my friends so inflamed?
    They say an old article, with a sweetheart. Expired ...
    Guys are heroes, but I'll talk about something else ...
    The opposition of the orange (frantic leaders) in fact, the cat cried.
    We know a couple of dozen, no more ...
    At stake, you need to plant Serdyuk and his accomplices.
    It was not the opposition that disbanded and reformed our army.
    She does not have such authority !!! Understand at last!
    I do not protect her, but in my opinion she hide behind her and lead away from the true perpetrators - the performers.
    There are specific individuals with specific surnames and positions.
    Do not look under your feet, look above ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 22 2012 17: 45
      +4
      They say an old article, with a sweetheart. Expired ...

      Treason to the Motherland - has no statute of limitations ... Read criminal law.
  32. Roman62
    Roman62 April 22 2012 11: 34
    0
    Hyperboreas,
    Alexander Romanov,
    request
  33. denkastro
    denkastro April 22 2012 11: 42
    0
    And I have a question for the author. The brigade was disbanded, and where did the guys who all served in it got to? How did their fate happen? Anything about them? If you have any information, please comment. Thank you.
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 11: 46
      +4
      Partly I can answer, if you do not mind. Part for retirement, part for other parts, part quit on its own, part on the street.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 22 2012 14: 49
        +12
        Quote: NovoSibirets
        Partly I can answer, if you do not mind. Part for retirement, part for other parts, part quit on its own, part on the street.


        A formal reason for a systemic attack on the GRU was the army’s unpreparedness for an armed conflict with Georgia. So, according to the deputy chief of the General Staff, Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, who commanded a group of Russian troops during the Russian-Georgian armed conflict in August 2008, the General Staff was surprised by the presence of Soviet air defense systems like the Buk air defense system on the Georgian side ** Self-propelled anti-aircraft missile system for combating air targets at low and medium altitudes. and modern Western airspace control systems, which have caused serious damage to the Russian Air Force. According to the incumbent officers of the GRU central apparatus, at a meeting of senior staff following the war, not shy in expressions, the defense minister accused military intelligence of not having the necessary intelligence. Meanwhile, the scouts themselves argue that their information was simply not considered when assessing the operational situation and making decisions by the country's top leadership. According to them, military intelligence sent all the necessary information, including information about Ukraine’s delivery of modernized Buk systems. So both the Ministry of Defense and the top government of the country were at least aware of the situation. Or it could have been informed if it had been paying attention to GRU information. But: the chief of military intelligence lost the right of direct personal report to the president, and the information he sends passes through at least two filters - through the chief of the General Staff and the minister of defense. In conditions of military reform, when there is a redistribution of resources and money, when generals of various arms are fighting to maintain their posts and feeders, the one who has direct access to the "ear" wins. The GRU, the long-standing and longtime rival of the KGB and those who inherited the committee, was denied this access.

        service veterans name three reasons that explain not only the entire amount of activities to eliminate military intelligence
        First: the main business of customers of the so-called GRU reform is related to money laundering and offshore. And only strategic intelligence of the GRU could pose a threat to this business, since it had the ability to control and monitor such actions. Nor did it belong to the KGB – FSB – SVR corporation.
        Second: a kind of informal “special service” has already been formed in Russia, serving the interests of a narrow group of people who really run the country. People working for this structure are not brought together, but serve in various departments of various special services of the Russian Federation. For the successful functioning of such a “network of the elect” it is important to solve one difficult task: to destroy all alternative sources of intelligence information capable of independent comparative analysis.
        Third: competition. The positions of the FSB and SVR can be protected by the country's top leadership close to these special services. The interests of the GRU are alien to these people. The example of the United States, where there are more than a dozen different independent intelligence services, is not accepted as an argument. The ability to provide a competitive advantage to “your own” is more important than solving real intelligence tasks.
        My webpage

        In general, as always in our "dastardly" time, there is only one reason - business and nothing personal, As they say, whoever is closer to the body is on the "horse".
        1. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky April 22 2012 15: 17
          +1
          Thank you, Ascetic. I’ll love the link.
        2. rate 60
          rate 60 April 23 2012 01: 15
          +2
          Ascetic, having read your informative comment, came to the conclusion that Putin is behind this crime.
  34. 1st_user
    1st_user April 22 2012 11: 51
    +1
    I myself am from Berdsk, I live two blocks from the military unit, where this Berd special forces brigade used to be. In front of my eyes they took her all out, and quite quickly. For several nights, convoys of military trucks drove out. The training ground was demolished, probably under construction. The same Berd helicopter regiment - also disbanded, helicopters with the screws removed at night on the streets of the city on tractors were taken out. There was even an accident once, when at night a passenger car crashed into a helicopter. But not to laugh here IMHO.
    Pichalka ... ((
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: 1st_user
      helicopters with the screws removed at night were taken out on the streets of the city by tractors. There was even an accident once, when at night a passenger car crashed into a helicopter.

      How come, remember. Hurried to increase the country's defense capability!




  35. Kolchak
    Kolchak April 22 2012 12: 04
    0
    gru generally removed many parts ... ((
  36. xzWhiteWolf
    xzWhiteWolf April 22 2012 12: 12
    +1
    Do you really think that Russia will just forget very important personnel? Has anyone read in more detail about the reform, or has seen it with his own eyes? After all, you say what you have been told, and so on. You have read something and are already trying to prove something to someone. Read how many have been disbanded. And read on to find out how much you have created from these "breakups." Our special forces will not go anywhere and will make a new group of these guys that will correspond to the new look. The only inconvenience that may be for the guys is that they will simply be sent to different groups. But forgive me, when you change jobs, do you take your friends from the team with you?) You need to think more positively, otherwise you look at our life and it seems like a swamp.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel April 22 2012 13: 11
      +13
      Sir, can you imagine what "combat coordination" is. To put together a team, and even such specialists, YEARS are needed. And we have no old GRU brigades ALREADY, and no new ones STILL. Not so long ago, a wooden body came to Stavropol to look at Pages ... it is to blame, the Presidential Cadet Corps (located on the territory of the reformed SVVAULSH Air Defense) and so it (the body) announced that it would place two groups (companies) of the GRU special forces in the Stavropol Territory. I don't know where he will get them? From whom will it form? But why was it necessary to destroy the beautiful parts, what would then ... Again the conversation "in favor of the poor" fool
      And yet, about "seeing with your own eyes." I often walk past the territory of another "reformed" school - SVVIUS. Half of the corps were destroyed (historical monument), in half the headquarters was temporarily located, I will not say which army. Name the VVUZ where they train combat control and communications specialists for the Strategic Missile Forces. Or, in connection with the saturation of the troops with cell phones, they are no longer needed? Unfortunately, the whole reform, as of today, has come down to the destruction of what has been achieved and the declaration that everything will be amazing, but tomorrow. Share something positive or something.
  37. greenwood
    greenwood April 22 2012 12: 13
    +4
    I propose to reduce Serdyukov in the framework of the reform of the armed forces!
    In general, it is not the Motherland that is to blame, but specific surnames.
    1. rate 60
      rate 60 April 23 2012 01: 19
      0
      No, I propose to reduce Adjutant Serdyukov.
  38. Volkhov
    Volkhov April 22 2012 12: 13
    +2
    The government is building an army under its own course, which is not like the Soviet one, so old cadres with thoughts about Russian defense are fired and replaced by ml. lieutenants from 6 months. courses by contractors. Recently hired for 20-25 TR of all the previously dismissed generals (6 thousand only in Moscow oblast) as if by inspectors, in order to see them better, and the great critic Serd. Mr. Ivashov went on a salary ... 60 thousand officers are kept on a leash by an apartment (managers). It is important not so much the presence of dogs of the regime in large numbers, but their loyalty to the authorities themselves, so as not to be eaten ...
    The worldview of power and people is completely different, they are just different civilizations, therefore their actions are logical and true, but for them.
    But the scouts themselves are to blame - they’ve succumbed to the situation around them, learn from the Turks - there the army stabilizes the state, does not allow harsh Islamization, although it is forced to follow the NATO course. All because of physical training - they pounded on the head too much.
  39. Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka April 22 2012 12: 30
    +12
    Sad, sad. Slavic armies are being destroyed, while all armies of the world are only getting stronger. In Ukraine, the army has been completely destroyed. there remained a bunch of people in uniform that, as it were, guard the dangerous iron, and for one thing, and bargain for it. And Russia is looking at the "courageous" path of destroying its army. Only "but father" and holds on because he does not hold money in the banks of the Zakordon and he does not care about all the sanctions of gentlemen amerikosov and others like them. But father - forever.
  40. denkastro
    denkastro April 22 2012 12: 51
    +9
    And how many screams were there when the cropped parts were disbanded? These moans were tired to horror. It’s us, grown men, who have pissed off the USSR and are now whining that someone is to blame. Our power is bad, and we are white and fluffy. It’s not necessary to go to Bolotnaya, but go to local squares and demand from the local authorities the results (within the framework of the law). Not one ruler can do anything without public support. You need to plow and bring up children as your grandfathers taught, and not buy off all kinds of benefits from them.
  41. Rumi007
    Rumi007 April 22 2012 13: 39
    0
    Posted by Andrey Voroshen on 04.05.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX ?????????????????????????? request
  42. suharev-52
    suharev-52 April 22 2012 14: 28
    +8
    The army continues to fall apart. But the most important thing, in my opinion, is that there is no feeling of maintaining the country's defense capability on the part of the top leadership. A certain group of friends, relatives, countrymen (formed according to the principle of personal loyalty) has formed in the Kremlin, so they carry out the so-called "leadership of Russia" taking into account only their own selfish interests. And in Russia, like 300 years ago, everyone is waiting for the good tsar-father to appear and punish all the covetous. And we will live happily and happily. And the man, in whom the people want to see the king-father, was not ready for this mission. Too many selfish interests keep him on this mortal land and cannot get rid of the material in any way in order to think about the soul. And only when it finally comes to the people that they are shaping their own destiny, only then will Russia begin to rise from its knees. Until then? The true masters of the country are pulling away Mother Russia, taking her wealth away. There is no place for the Russian people in the future (in their opinion). It's time to wake up, good people. Stop believing sweet-voiced promises. It's high time to see the light. Sincerely.
  43. cobra66
    cobra66 April 22 2012 15: 17
    +1
    It is strange that the combat units are disbanded as this or 12 units are the same elite that have undergone so many trials, very similar to an order from another continent
    1. rate 60
      rate 60 April 23 2012 01: 25
      0
      Strange army is destroyed for twenty years, but it is dutifully silent
  44. AdAAkRuSS
    AdAAkRuSS April 22 2012 15: 28
    +3
    [Man, she already made the weather, so she made some people still "shit further than they see" (sorry in front of the ladies present). And it will be necessary - he will do it! The men have not gone anywhere, that's it! They scattered only everyone. But, it will be necessary to gather, and again "devils on fires" will go. Homeland, after all, this is not Moscow ... [/ quote]
    I apologize (accidentally put a minus) I will subscribe to every word!
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 15: 32
      +5
      Quote: AdAAkRuSS
      I apologize (accidentally put a minus)

      Irrelevant.
      Quote: AdAAkRuSS
      subscribe to every word!

      Has the meaning.
      bully
  45. party3AH
    party3AH April 22 2012 15: 58
    +4
    Everything is repeated after the war, the specialists are disbanded ... as a cockerel is formed. And the accursed cannot understand that all this is expensive in the future. And what about the "furniture maker and tax collector" is it a pancake, as they say for the state, it's a shame to fuck to put someone who has nothing to do with the Armed Forces?
  46. patriot2
    patriot2 April 22 2012 17: 14
    +3
    Ascetic,
    I agree with you, and to the Heroes of the GRU who gave their lives for their homeland - GLORY!
  47. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha April 22 2012 18: 19
    +1
    Lord !!! When will you wake up the Russian people!? We can die in a dream, a dream of oblivion of our GREATNESS !!!
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 20: 16
      -2
      Lord !!! When will you wake up the Russian people!? We can die in a dream, a dream of oblivion of our GREATNESS !!!


      You know, I’ll probably still say what I think ...
      As long as we - Russians will believe in Christ, substitute the right, when they strike on the left and call ourselves "servants of God" - we will never wake up, and this Jewish god has no business waking us up! I'm not talking about the priests ...
      (no offense, Christians, what he thought, he said)
  48. savelij
    savelij April 22 2012 18: 41
    -1
    Thanks to Great Putin !!! Who else doubts that Pukin was sent by the State Department to the Cossack?

    The special forces are Colonel Kvachkov, Budanov and Khabarov, who were not afraid to openly go against the agent of State Department Putin and his gang! And the rest are pissing mongrels who quietly dream of staying until retirement !!!
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 20: 21
      -1
      Ah, Savely, do not put everything in a heap, the president has not one opening and not 10, but much more, politics is a cynical thing. Not everything is needed, what you want .., and not everything is wanted what you need.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin April 22 2012 22: 12
        +2
        Quote: NovoSibirets
        the president has not one introductory and not 10, but much more; politics is a cynical thing. Not everything is needed, what you want .., and not everything is wanted what you need.

        The constitution of Russia measures such powers to the president that any monarch will envy. Perform all the introductory work of his and holy duty. But if there is not enough ability, friends hold Faberge or just tired, make room. Of course, you can sit on the throne and maneuver between the interests of various groups only when you are engaged in a country. So your, fellow countryman, sympathy for the complexity of the leadership’s work is unnecessary.
  49. Snalin 2010
    Snalin 2010 April 22 2012 20: 38
    +3
    My dear fellow countrymen from the GRU. Forgive us for the chills of the Russian land that you did not save you from this Serdyukovsky press. Forgive us Russians. We are weak and fragmented now ..... And you have strength, experience, skill .... Please look around you, how many street children and all kinds of orphans are running around. Please take them under your wing. Create clubs, pioneer camps and more. Please pass on your invaluable experience to our children. You’re the ELITE OF THE EARTH OF RUSSIA, and I bow to you, Russians, for courage and patience.
    1. NovoSibirets
      NovoSibirets April 22 2012 21: 07
      0
      If this post is not a banter, which it looks like, I report that everything you ask for takes place in real life, though it’s not the acting officers who have something to do, but the retired ones.
      In Berdsk, the cadet corps named after Hero of Russia Kuyanov is supervised.

      http://pl_38.g_ber.edu54.ru/

      "Pinochet" (Krishtal Viktor) has been busy with the teenage club "Ekipazh" for several years now, it helps recruits who have stumbled, soldiers' mothers, and many others. For which I bow to him.
      http://www.kurer-sreda.ru/2011/12/12/55777

      The veterans of the Afghans, led by Boris Yuryevich Ionov, support the monument to the soldiers of the internationalists in perfect condition.


      Started a new project. And be sure - they will build it!
      And no peppermints!
    2. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky April 22 2012 21: 09
      0
      If this post is not a banter, which it looks like, I report that everything you ask for takes place in real life, though it’s not the acting officers who have something to do, but the retired ones.
      In Berdsk, the cadet corps named after Hero of Russia Kuyanov is supervised.

      http://pl_38.g_ber.edu54.ru/

      "Pinochet" (Krishtal Viktor) has been busy with the teenage club "Ekipazh" for several years now, it helps recruits who have stumbled, soldiers' mothers, and many others. For which I bow to him.
      http://www.kurer-sreda.ru/2011/12/12/55777

      The veterans of the Afghans, led by Boris Yuryevich Ionov, support the monument to the soldiers of the internationalists in perfect condition.


      Started a new project. And be sure - they will build it!
      And no peppermints!
      1. Snalin 2010
        Snalin 2010 April 23 2012 13: 47
        +1
        I am neither a post nor a snob. I sincerely wrote these words since I have a friend from this GRU birde brigade. And I saw his eyes when he talked about the disbandment of his brigade. He was not verbose. But everything was clear and without words ..... And right now it’s just working as a driver. But I Actually not about that. Can you create a party ???. Fortunately, there are all the possibilities (in terms of law). And all the Siberians will follow you !!!
    3. nycsson
      nycsson April 22 2012 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: Snalin-2010
      My dear fellow countrymen from the GRU. Forgive us for the chills of the Russian land that you did not save you from this Serdyukovsky press. Forgive us Russians. We are weak and fragmented now ..... And you have strength, experience, skill .... Please look around you, how many street children and all kinds of orphans are running around. Please take them under your wing. Create clubs, pioneer camps and more. Please pass on your invaluable experience to our children. You’re the ELITE OF THE EARTH OF RUSSIA, and I bow to you, Russians, for courage and patience.

      I join !!!
  50. Novosibirsky
    Novosibirsky April 22 2012 21: 29
    0
    I can not resist, the eye just pleases! )))
    Good ones want to close the topic for sure. )))

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