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The soldier's quiet joy: a rifle hung with accessories

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Industrialized countries offer many different rifle accessories. Last year, many companies presented their new products, the German Rheinmetall was no exception.


Manufacturers of final products in the field of accessories and accessories to rifles offer a huge number of systems to help the modern soldier, which contribute to increasing its effectiveness. With the increase in the number of available developments, it is becoming increasingly difficult to decide on procurement.

While the main task of the rifle is to deliver a bullet to the target, its capabilities in this regard are greatly enhanced by an ever-expanding range of accessories and accessories that are attached to it through the very popular Picatinny rail.

Huge selection of telescopic sights for long distances and collimator sights for quick target acquisition in close combat is complemented by tactical lights, laser pointers, lighting devices and range finders, rifle fire control systems, rifle grenade launchers and even means of controlling various equipment, such as radio stations.

Spoiled for choice

Kenny Macmillan, a representative of SIG Sauer, noted that a modern assault rifle for special forces, from the MSX family, for example, can be equipped with a SOT Sauer Romeo4T collimator sight, an EOTech AN / PEQ-15 laser laser / target designator (L3 Technologies division) and tactical light from companies Inforce or SureFire.

Despite the many devices that hung the modern assault rifle, the place of honor still belongs to advanced optics, such as, for example, Romeo4T collimator sight, designed to fight at short and medium distances in almost all lighting conditions. There you can select several aiming grids, including Red Dot 1MoA, Ballistic CirclePlex, Red Dot 2MoA and Ballistic Circle Dot (red dot in the center of the ring).

"If I wanted to fire with high accuracy, I would probably choose a collimator sight, but if I cleaned the room or conducted an active search, I would use the Ballistic Circle Dot mesh, which is easier to aim with and with which you can shoot with both eyes open “- expressed his opinion Macmillan.

The body and the main components of the sight, made of 7075 aluminum alloy, have increased strength and wear resistance. The sight comes with an 36 mm mm boost bar and an extra 1 / 3 co-witness lower spacer, which allows you to see the mechanical sights in the sight slightly below the collimator point. The company SIG Sauer declare the running time of the sight more than 100 thousands of hours, it can work from conventional batteries and solar cells, and is able to withstand a dive to a depth of two meters.

The American company Holosun also offers sighting systems that use solar cells to operate optics in the most adverse lighting conditions, thereby increasing battery life. This provides some kind of redundancy, since in the event of a battery failure, the optics will generate a reticule until there is enough light for the solar cell. The company notes that systems using solar energy are one of the priority areas.

Holosun representative Craig Cook noted that the company is currently seeking to further increase the level of redundancy in its newest line of optical systems by integrating a capacitor charged from a battery. "If you have a defective battery and the illumination is low enough, then you still have 18 hours to work the red dot, which is enough until the beginning of the next day when the solar battery starts charging it or you get another battery." In these devices, the LED starts flashing, alerting the operator that it is starting to work from a capacitor.

The company also introduced a green LED-based optical system with longer battery life compared to red-based optics. “For the red LED, we had about 50000 hours with average settings. However, we have worked hard at improving the new technology, the reticle on the green LED will work hundreds of thousands of hours. ”

According to him, at the heart of this opportunity lies the patented LED technology developed by Holosun, which has been working with LED and laser components for 25 for years. “The human eye distinguishes green light much better than red,” he remarked. - With lasers operating in the visible region of the spectrum, everyone wants to have a green mark. We believe that a critical transition has emerged in the optics market. ”

A growing number of optical devices receive motion sensors. Holosun is no exception, it also integrates an x ​​/ y accelerometer in its devices, which serves as a motion sensor that serves as a “wake-up element”. This allows the user to select a period of time after which, in the absence of movement, the optics will turn off to save battery consumption and instantly turn on during any movement.

While some optical instruments with an auto-off feature require the user to press a button to turn on and then select the previous settings using a certain algorithm, the wake-up function developed by Holosun allows you to remember the settings and return to them.

The company at DSEI 2017 also introduced several military laser sighting devices, including the LS420 multifunctional device (photo below), which includes a white light flashlight on 1000 lumens, an infrared backlight device and a green laser visible range; All control is carried out by a single membrane switch. As Cook explained, “You can adjust the required combination of adjustments using the membrane switch and then set the device to weapon».


In addition to concentrating the mass near the center of gravity of an all-in-one rifle, such as the one mentioned above, free space on the bar for other devices that the user may need, including, for example, a vertical grip or a grenade launcher, an additional backup flashlight, or even such exotic ones as acoustic system for determining the source of the shot.


Holosun offers systems that use solar cells to operate optics in low light conditions, which increases battery life

Object lighting

The German company Rheinmetall has several systems in its portfolio, which were told by its representative, Morten Evenrud.

For the first time at DSEI 2017, the company introduced two of its new products: a low-profile version of the Vario-Ray target designator / backlight device and a line of flashlights for small arms Lumenator.

The Vario-Ray LowProfile device, as the name implies, has a flat design, which allows it to be mounted on a rifle without interfering with optics. With an overall height of 34 mm, it protrudes above the Picatinny rail just 25 mm. The length of the device is 83 mm, width 63 mm and weight 155 grams.

In addition to the infrared illuminator with electronic zoom, it also integrates two laser designators with a maximum power of 30 mW: a green or red laser in the visible range and an infrared laser that is invisible to the eye.

As Evenrurud explained, the Tac-Ray 1500 sniper device, designed to increase the likelihood of hitting from the first shot, can simultaneously have up to five lasers of visible and invisible ranges for different purposes with a maximum range of 1500 meters. These lasers perform the functions of a range finder, a green or red light target designator, an infrared target designator and a focused infrared target illumination device; at the same time, an identifier of a dismounted soldier or a target designator operating in the short-wave infrared region of the spectrum can be integrated. All lasers are aligned with a rifle as a single system using the corrective input flywheel in increments of 0,1 thousandth.


Laser module with laser range finder Tac-Ray 1500

The range finder, being the main device of the sniper, includes a ballistic computer, in which the shooter enters weather data and ammunition data. When the sniper pushes a button, he measures and displays the range on the OLED display, and also projects the aiming mark into the scope.

Targets give snipers additional information, specifying targets for other weapons systems. For remote work with lasers, a trigger cable can be used; Cables of different colors are also supplied to control the safety class, according to which lasers emit 1, 2, 3R or 3В.

In order to eliminate confusion, laser designators have spot-shaped generators, which allows the shooter to individualize it for a specific purpose with additional differentiation by adjusting the pulse repetition rate from 1 to 10 GHz. The operator can also adjust the brightness of all pointers and the backlight device. The backlight device can change the focus to generate a wide or narrow beam.

If the enemy is equipped with night-vision goggles, then standard laser sights and infrared illuminators become visible to him. Therefore, he can easily determine the position of the operator and where he directed the beam. An optional pointer operating in the SWIR range (the far [shortwave] infrared region of the spectrum) comes to the rescue, since it can only be seen through SWIR cameras.

DSID laser identification devices provide limited identification of personnel and equipment, since installed compatible laser reflectors can be seen by an adversary with night-vision goggles.

In addition to the Picatinny rail, the Tac-Ray 1500 can be mounted on a rifle through other guides; It is powered by a single CR123 battery, for example, Duracell CR17345.


If previously a limited number of accessories was available for rifles, then soldiers today can use telescopic sights for long distances, collimator sights for quick target acquisition in close combat, as well as tactical lights, laser designators, backlight devices and range finders

Light and action

Rheinmetall offers its Lumenator family of small arms flashlights as a supplement to the new LowProfile laser module. Lanterns are available with a choice of different lamp heads up to 700 lumens and different beam shapes to customize the flashlight for a specific task.

Lumenator lanterns with a length of 122 mm are powered by two three-volt CR123 batteries, which provide about an hour of operation at full power.

In addition to the Picatinny rail, with which the flashlight is attached to the rifle, it is possible to carry it in your hand or as a backup in a belt case.

Although the Lumenator flashlight is a separate device, it can be connected to a LowProfile laser module. This allows for additional modes, including the constant light mode and the mode of gradual dimming, with both devices having a central button that simultaneously turns off the laser module and the flashlight.

Rheinmetall has also developed the Multi-Ray 500 (MR500) sighting system for 40mm underbarrel grenade launchers, such as the Heckler & Koch M320 grenade launcher chosen by the US Army. This combination is being promoted as part of the Grenadier Sighting System development program, which aims to provide soldiers with improved night-time use of low-velocity grenades with greater accuracy at longer ranges.


The soldier's quiet joy: a rifle hung with accessories

The MR500 device is one of the claimants to the American Army’s “Grenade thrower sighting system” program.

The American division of Rheinmetall Defense, American Rheinmetall Systems, recently announced that it had supplied 20 of such systems for military testing and evaluation, and was awaiting feedback on the design changes in the second stage of development.

Rheinmetall describes the MR500 as follows: “A fire-resistant, manually adjustable fire control system designed for low- and medium-speed grenades and missiles launched from the shoulder, which increases the likelihood of hitting the first shot at all ranges while minimizing the time to capture the target and ammunition consumption.”

The MR500 can be connected either to a laser rangefinder, for example, Tac-Ray or Vario-Ray. or the distance to the target can be entered manually. Using the range data and the ballistic table corresponding to the selected ammunition, the MR500 system calculates the required vertical angle of the grenade launcher (by means of the rifle to which it is attached), while the shooter points to the target using the collimator sight mounted on the top of the device.

The MR500 device with 300 mass grams powered by the CR123 element can store in memory up to 32 different ballistic tables, allowing the operator to choose between any two using a switch. This device, capable of programming an air blast, also includes an infrared target designator / backlight device.

Threat localization

However, the modern market of accessories is not limited to optics, laser modules and fire control systems. Demand is also expanding on other sensory systems, including gunshot source detection systems. MetraVib, for example, developed its Pearl rifle system, which is already in service with several armies. This speaker system uses a set of four microphones to calculate the direction of the azimuth from which the supersonic ammunition arrived.

A device weighing 450 grams, resembling a large journalist microphone, is attached to one of the side rails of the rifle. To calculate the direction of the shot, the device first measures the shock wave, and then the sound of the shot, after which the arrow provides information using LEDs.

“Through a very simple interface in the back of the device, you get information about the azimuth and elevation, the system shows which direction you must move the weapon in order to align it with the threat,” said Jean Delanna, a representative of Metravib.

The indicator panel consists of a set of LEDs in the back of the device that are red and indicate "left / right" and "up / down" relative to the central LED, turning green when the weapon is pointing in the right direction.

“However, the priority of the soldier, as a rule, lies in taking cover, and for this the information from which the shot was fired is very important,” Delanna said. “Quickly looking at the display, you know from which direction the threat came, so you can take a safe position.”

When all the LEDs turn green and flash, the soldier knows that the threat is in the field of vision of the optics, as the system provides +/- 7,5 ° accuracy, giving out data within a second.

The idea is not to immediately respond with fire when indicating the LEDs of the Pearl device, but to make sure that the threat is in the field of vision of the optics, to confirm it visually and to respond with aimed fire.


Pearl Shot Source Detection System (Personal Equipment Add-on for Reactive Localization - addition to personal equipment for responsive positioning)

“Our approach is to fasten the device on the weapon in order to simplify the work with it as much as possible,” Delanna said. Alternative, worn on the body systems, additional displays are needed, possibly with an indicator in the form of a clock dial. “It’s very difficult to link what you see on your display-clock and the direction in which you must turn the weapon to align with the threat, while our system is intuitive and very easy to operate.”

БоMost of the systems for determining the source of the Pearl round are in service with special forces. As a rule, a single system is issued for a platoon or patrol group, although it includes a connecting cable for connecting to soldier combat gear, for example, the French FELIN, so that information can be distributed among other subscribers automatically. With two AA lithium AA batteries, the Pearl device can operate continuously for 12 hours.

The next step is the development of an additional display to display the estimated range to the threat, since the Pearl device already today calculates this data, but does not show it yet.


Today, companies are starting to manufacture more durable silencers using 3D printing from powder materials based on nickel alloys of Inconel and titanium.

Muting the sound

There is a technology that could make shot detection systems ineffective. These, of course, are silencers, they reduce the loudness of the sound of a bullet flying out of the barrel, which, in combination with subsonic ammunition, makes it difficult to determine the source of the shot and at the same time increases the level of control of the situation and prevents the risk of partial hearing loss. In this regard, there has been a tendency to deploy them not only in special units, with which silencers, as a rule, are associated.

Oceania Defense at the DSEI 2017 in London presented several silencers for assault and sniper rifles, as well as pistols, emphasizing that 3D printing from powder materials based on nickel alloys of the Inconel and titanium family was used in their manufacture. Traditionally silencers are made of either steel or aluminum alloys; it depends on what the requirements of the task, strength or low weight.

A company representative explained that traditional production methods, including processing on CNC machines, limit the complexity of the shape and location of internal channels and reflectors, which can be achieved, while additive technologies, such as 3D printing, provide complete freedom here.

For simplified tasks with an emphasis on noiselessness and reduced weight, but with a high probability of using automatic fire, a titanium silencer is better suited as it weighs less than a standard silencer. And for those who expect a "small battle clash" and for whom the mass is not critical, it is better to use a silencer made of Inconel alloy.

The company has posted a video on YouTube that demonstrates the reliability of its silencers during the “dipping” test or resistance to sudden temperature changes. The video is automatically fired from several stores, replaced in quick succession, until the muffler turns bright red, then they wait for a long time until the red color fades and then immerse it in a bucket of water about half, pull it out, allow the water inside the muffler boil off and then shoot a couple more rounds. “Few silencers can survive this, most will collapse,” said a company representative.

Most of the silencers have an estimated lifespan, measured in shots. It depends on the material, caliber and power of the ammunition and whether it is intended for automatic mode or not. Oceania has unofficially measured the life of its Inconel silencers in trunks, given that a rifle with a longitudinally-sliding rotary bolt .308 (7.62x51 mm) can survive three barrels, while a rifle of .338 (8.6X70 mm) will survive two guns. During the following tests, the company must “wear out” the Inconel silencer on the .223 caliber rifle (5.56x45 mm).

By September 2017, the order of 7000 shots was made from the most intensively used instance, it withstood seven dives into the water and survived a new barrel, which was bolted. The company expects that he will outlive the second trunk.

Silencers do not make rifles absolutely silent, but they reduce the distance with which they can be heard, and also allow soldiers to shoot without hearing protection devices, which improves the process of communication between them and increases the level of control of the situation.

Metal patience

Oceania, using Selective Laser Sintering's 3D technology (Selective Laser Sintering), manufactures its titanium silencers from Ti6AI4V grade 5 powder, consisting of 90% titanium, 6% aluminum and 4% vanadium, allowing a completely monolithic structure, having a complete structure, having a full structure, having a full structure, having a full structure, having a full structure, having a vanadium, 164% aluminum and 165% vanadium, 39% vanadium. with a minimum mass. This silencer weighs 130 grams, has a length of XNUMX mm, an external diameter of XNUMX mm and stands for a muzzle cut on XNUMX mm.

556-20 Samson's newest silencer, replacing the 556-45 model with the bоIt has a cross-flow design and is designed for mounting under Samson or similar guides on AR-15 rifles. This silencer is designed to work with semi-automatic short-barreled weapons with trunks up to 12,5 inches long and has a thickened baffle.

The company conducted preliminary tests of the sound pressure level using the AR-15 rifle from the Canadian company NEA. The rifle had a barrel length of 14.5 inches, the fire was fired with M193 cartridges with bullets weighing 3,564 grams and initial speed 910 m / s.

Five test shots without a silencer were shot, the microphone was located at a height of 1,6 meters above the ground and in the 1 meter to the left of the muzzle, the average noise level was 166 dB. Then 10 shots were made with a 556-20 Samson silencer with the microphone in the same position, the average sound pressure level was 134 dB. This is quite a large decrease, since decibels are logarithmic, not linear.

The third test of the 10 shots was performed with a microphone located approximately 50 mm from the ear of the shooter, while the sound pressure level was 136 dB.

Checking the sound level near the ear is important for obvious reasons, and the larger value in decibels is explained by the fact that the window for ejection of spent cartridges is another sound source when shooting, since a certain amount of gases escape through it during the shooting cycle - it is closer to the ear arrow .

A design-identical 556 Ratchet Lock silencer made of Inconel alloy is heavier, but supports what the manufacturer calls "extreme firing scenarios and fully automatic mode." The company Oceania stressed that this silencer works best on semi-automatic rifles with adjustable gas pistons.

At present, the range of additional systems and accessories for small arms is rapidly expanding, their quality and characteristics are increasing. They turn what was once a simple weapon into a complex, high-tech, versatile and highly accurate platform, but at the same time complicate the choices facing purchasing organizations around the world.

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  1. Vard
    Vard 2 March 2018 15: 02
    +8
    Well, all this is good ... Now imagine you are in a swamp and you have run out of batteries ...
    1. Karadoc
      Karadoc 2 March 2018 15: 28
      +17
      Well, why so pessimistic? You can, for example, imagine that you were killed and you all these body kits to the bulb.
    2. would
      would 2 March 2018 16: 17
      +17
      With the same success, one can comment on cartridges, water, food, medicines, a huge number of consumable elements without which both modern and not so war ceases to be such.

      "Well, a firearm is good ... Now imagine you are in a swamp and you are out of ammunition." Going back to knives? lol
    3. tracer
      tracer 2 March 2018 18: 30
      +12
      Most couch wars do not understand this. They grew up on computer shooters where everything works fine, you can put anything and it’s like a watch ... Batteries do not sit there and the sights do not fog when they get dusty or just go astray. Therefore, they then “for sure” know that this is good and has no alternative .. In general, not realizing that they are developing it all “for themselves”. Under automatic rifles capable of firing temporarily bursts. Unable to create dense fire units in the offensive or defense. Namely, "dense fire" is the key to the impact of the unit. Therefore, the idea of ​​"super sniper" shooting from anything is hammered. The technical characteristics of light small arms adopted in NATO countries do not allow long-term and dense fire. And it is very beneficial to everyone. You can add so much additional “suckers” .. I do not argue, there are things needed, but not for everyone .... Mostly specialists. I’m silent about the fact that all this is fabulously expensive, and if effective, it’s not at all a lot, either temporarily, or simply leveled out by the cost of maintenance. And the fact that in the case of a "grandiose chucher" will cut down all the electronics, the advantages of all these "awnings" generally tend to zero. In general, every normal person understands Dumku, but any weapon adopted in Western countries is an attack weapon. Robbery and capture instead and all lives this vaunted Western civilization. Therefore, you are not looking for a secret meaning where it does not exist .. answer on the surface.
      1. wer2
        wer2 2 March 2018 19: 07
        +7
        Quote: tracer
        The technical characteristics of light small arms adopted in NATO countries do not allow long-term and dense fire.

        Really? You didn’t mix anything up?
        By the way, fire still has to be effective.
        Quote: tracer
        And the fact that in the case of a "grandiose shooter" all the electronics "cut down"

        Wow. Is it all right? And everywhere?
        Gorazdy you fantasize.
        Quote: tracer
        In general, every normal person understands Dumku, but any weapon adopted in Western countries is an attack weapon.

        What is it like? Kills? And what, "western" weapon, is it healing?
        Quote: tracer
        Robbery and capture instead and all lives this vaunted Western civilization.

        Ahhh. Well, everything is clear. This one is not a specialist, this one is a speaker.
        1. tracer
          tracer 3 March 2018 02: 09
          +8
          I see you are not very versed in the topic.
          I will try to explain to you as a student.
          1. The effectiveness of the weapon is determined not by beautiful photos but by the completed combat mission.
          At least you try with fastened "manulators" on the trunk, at least take aim at the flying duck with a bullet but you still won’t get there. And here is a shot, where each shot does not fly along a calculated trajectory and is guided not by GPS navigation, but simply in the “wrong direction” will hit the duck for sure. Do you feel the difference? Even not super accurate but dense fire will achieve its goal due to simply a larger number of bullets like pellets in a shot shot. That is why AK is essentially a small machine gun. Just the density of fire .... solves the problem.
          2. Now about the weapon "healing".
          Maybe not quite right (the wording can be changed), but I said that this is an attack weapon, that’s why. It is the attackers who choose the time and place of the attack. Their weapons are always shot, the batteries on the sights are charged with the word "good to go". But will such a weapon be ready after a surprise attack? What if the battery is still overcharged? Map on the navigator from this area to the flash card is not downloaded? Recognition of "someone else's" on electronic pribluda not all changed by the latest code? Yes, it's just that on a picatini rail, the sight is calibrated, but removed and put in place. Let it be known again you need to shoot .... This is forgotten by those who have never seen a real weapon in their eyes. For example, you ... Dear critic. And as for my competence, you have no doubt. I was a champion in small-bore rifle shooting in the republic, obviously long before your birth. So believe me, I am familiar not only with theory, but also with practice.
          1. Lyapis
            Lyapis 3 March 2018 08: 18
            +4
            1. The analogy neither to the village nor to the city does not explain anything at all. And the very idea of ​​the decisive value of the density of fire, with the expectation that at least one bullet will reach the goal is absurd in itself. This is more suitable for some African warriors who just got off the palm trees and are not able to aim, in principle, than for a trained soldier.
            2. For a good soldier, weapons should always be shot and prepared for battle (even if greased, even with fresh batteries), regardless of whether he attacks or defends. And yes, shooting sports and shooting on the battlefield are slightly different things, you don’t find, dear champion.
            1. Tarikxnumx
              Tarikxnumx 3 March 2018 11: 28
              +10
              Tracer is right. It is the density of fire that is critical in combat. It is proved by the experience of two world wars. It is according to the results of WWII that they began developing personal automatic weapons, mind you not automatic weapons, but automatic weapons in the USSR. The United States also understood this, but due to the lack of their own intermediate cartridge, they got the M14, on which auto-fire was forcibly turned off. Well, then they did take the M16. Which, despite the preferred single-shot, auto-fire mode still has.
              Regarding the second point, I can say that one of the most important characteristics of military weapons is their reliability. And hanging a bunch of whistle-blowers on the barrel with a separate power supply, a bunch of lenses, etc., alas, they don’t add reliability.
              1. would
                would 3 March 2018 12: 45
                +1
                Well, then they did take the M16. Which, despite the preferred single-shot, auto-fire mode still has.


                But you somehow forgot to add that the M16 in the US Army is represented mainly without the possibility of firing a continuous burst, only with a fixed one. Only a few modifications (as far as I know are not common) have the ability to conduct continuous fire. This is M4A1 and M16A3 which

                "The M16A3 is a modified version of the M16A2 adopted in small numbers by the US Navy SEAL, Seabee, and Security units.".

                And hanging a bunch of whistle-blowers on the barrel with a separate power supply, a bunch of lenses, etc., alas, they don’t add reliability.


                As well as modern automation systems, as well as modern weapons stores. Both are extremely unreliable compared to the good old single-shot lol
                1. wer2
                  wer2 3 March 2018 17: 09
                  0
                  Quote: rait
                  But you somehow forgot to add that the M16 in the US Army is represented mainly without the possibility of firing a continuous burst, only with a fixed one.

                  M16 is a full-fledged machine. Weapons category SMG. Therefore, its rate of fire is no worse than that of foreign counterparts.
                  Quote: rait
                  Only a few modifications (as far as I know are not common) have the ability to conduct continuous fire. This is M4A1 and M16A3 which

                  Do not make up. Just M4A1 is not a weapon of the SMG category, but a weapon of the AR category. Those. Compared to M16, her rate of fire is worse.
                  1. would
                    would 3 March 2018 17: 41
                    +1
                    Before you write something, you should get into at least Wikipedia where it is clearly written which M16 has a continuous queue mode and which does not.

                    M16 is a full-fledged machine. Weapons category SMG. Therefore, its rate of fire is no worse than that of foreign counterparts.


                    1. What is the M16? There were a lot of them.
                    2. SMG is a submachine gun, that is, "is a magazine-fed, automatic carbine designed to fire pistol cartridges". So from now on in more detail, what kind of M16 shoots pistol cartridges? lol

                    Do not make up. Just M4A1 is not a weapon of the SMG category,


                    Certainly not SMG, it shoots with an intermediate cartridge, not a pistol.
                    1. wer2
                      wer2 3 March 2018 18: 04
                      0
                      Quote: rait
                      it’s worth getting into at least Wikipedia where it is clearly written which M16 has a continuous queue mode and which does not.

                      Wikipedia is by far the important source of information. But where does the M16 model? We examined the M16 in combined arms. Those. with the ability to conduct automatic fire.
                      Quote: rait
                      1. What is the M16? There were a lot of them.

                      That one. Which is supplied to the troops as an infantry weapon.
                      Quote: rait
                      "is a magazine-fed, automatic carbine designed to fire pistol cartridges"

                      It is written about PP. However, not all SMGs fire pistol cartridges. And in general terms, SMG means combat fire rate of about 80-100 rounds per minute.
                      Quote: rait
                      Certainly not SMG, it shoots with an intermediate cartridge, not a pistol.

                      No, certainly because her combat rate of 60-80 rounds per minute.
                      1. would
                        would 3 March 2018 18: 19
                        +1
                        But where does the M16 model? We examined the M16 in combined arms.


                        Naturally, there was no answer to the question, but instead a certain “combined-arms type” was mentioned which does not exist in nature. The M16 has a number of specific modifications, with a specific number in service, no "types" are indicated by the Americans. And in the USA, the M16 modifications are simultaneously in service with both serial and automatic fire.

                        It is written about PP. However, not all SMGs fire pistol cartridges. And in general terms, SMG means combat fire rate of about 80-100 rounds per minute.


                        Naturally, there was no answer to the question because there is nothing to answer. Because SMG clearly means PP, which we can see in all English-speaking sources and all foreign manufacturers.

                        For example, the famous Heckler & Koch

                        https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military
                        /submachine-guns.html

                        Where and by whom it is established that SMG can mean rate of fire naturally you do not specify.
                    2. wer2
                      wer2 3 March 2018 19: 03
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                      Quote: rait
                      remember some "combined arms" which does not exist in nature

                      Yes, what to do, the American foot soldiers are not armed with anything. In your opinion, of course.
                      Quote: rait
                      And in the USA, the M16 modifications are simultaneously in service with both serial and automatic fire.

                      Combined arms is a rifle with the ability to conduct automatic fire. How much do you need to repeat this “deep thought” so that you can finally hear it?
                      Quote: rait
                      Naturally, there was no answer to the question because there is nothing to answer. Because SMG clearly means PP, which we can see in all English-speaking sources and all foreign manufacturers.

                      SMG, LMG, MMG, GPMG, HMG - each of these types of atomic weapons has its own rate of fire.
                      MG - machine gun, means automatic weapons. And then the categories.
                      Quote: rait
                      Where and by whom it is established that SMG can mean rate of fire naturally you do not specify.

                      The standard is set. The whole world has long been standardized if you did not know this.
                      1. would
                        would 3 March 2018 19: 06
                        +3
                        Naturally, there was no answer to any of the questions because there was nothing to answer. Some designations (or rather their interpretation) were invented only by you and by you personally and therefore you cannot refer to anyone, who, unlike me, has already done this two times.

                        How much do you need to repeat this “deep thought” so that you can finally hear it?


                        I’m afraid you need to repeat this to the US military command so that it listens to you and introduces “types” of M16 instead of modifications and makes a “view” specifically with automatic combined arms fire. lol
                    3. wer2
                      wer2 3 March 2018 19: 10
                      0
                      Quote: rait
                      you cannot refer to anyone

                      It's like, I’m a famous fool, but here’s a link to an intelligent person, read it?
                      Quote: rait
                      unlike me who has done this already as much as two times.

                      Are you talking about what I wrote above?
                      Quote: rait
                      I’m afraid you need to repeat this to the US military command so that it listens to you and introduces “types” of M16 instead of modifications and makes a “view” specifically with automatic combined arms fire.

                      They don’t have to talk about it. They have done it a long time ago. And you did not notice.
                      Probably links to smart people at this time in the internet were looking for.
                      1. would
                        would 3 March 2018 20: 21
                        +1
                        It's like, I’m a famous fool, but here’s a link to an intelligent person, read


                        Exactly. If you are not a recognized shooting guru, then any exclamations about redrawing the system of signs and terms accepted for decades will be accepted with laughter. Especially if these exclamations are without arguments. Well now lol

                        They don’t have to talk about it. They have done it a long time ago. And you did not notice.


                        Exclusively in your sore imagination, in reality, the US Armed Forces are equipped with both automatic and serial fire modifications. Moreover, the automatic is most popular with the ILC and only with them. And they have no "types".

                        Of course, you will continue to suffer from delusions of grandeur, you will continue to beat yourself in the chest, write a lot of other actually coined terms and so on. Well, I'm just for it, laughter is always good, even if it is a sin. lol

                        In this, you remind me of someone, someone who was constantly banned because of these messages, but he was constantly registered under new nicknames.
                    4. wer2
                      wer2 4 March 2018 13: 09
                      0
                      Quote: rait
                      So.

                      I'm tired of talking to you.
                      Think what you want.
                      I do not care.
              2. wer2
                wer2 3 March 2018 17: 05
                0
                Quote: TarIK2017
                The United States also understood this, but due to the lack of their own intermediate cartridge, they got the M14, on which auto-fire was forcibly turned off.

                1. The weapon on an intermediate cartridge with a classic bullet is not infantry. This means that it can be used in the army, but it is limited as a service or special weapon. Therefore, the general armament of the army with weapons of the AK / AK-47 / AKM type (these are three slightly different types of weapons), as it was at one time in the SA, is delusional nonsense. Which could only have crossed the minds of Soviet commanders who were not quite fully competent in military affairs.
                2. Disconnected only in peacetime. In combat conditions, they connected. It was an infantry (i.e. quality) weapon of the SFR category. A very good and high-quality option for infantry weapons on a cartridge with a classic bullet.
                Quote: TarIK2017
                Well, then they did take the M16. Which, despite the preferred single-shot, auto-fire mode still has.

                Actually, the M16 is a full-fledged automatic weapon. Automatic, if in Russian. And weapons of the SMG category, if in non-Russian.
          2. wer2
            wer2 3 March 2018 10: 15
            +3
            Quote: tracer
            I will try to explain to you as a student.

            Try it already. And then more and more I somehow have to explain myself. It is tiring.
            Quote: tracer
            The effectiveness of the weapon is determined not by beautiful photos but by the completed combat mission

            We decided to crush the banalities?
            Quote: tracer
            Even not super accurate but dense fire will achieve its goal due to simply a larger number of bullets like pellets in a shot shot.

            In fact, no one argues about the need for a dense fire. It was for this that a machine gun was invented. That is why in the role of an individual infantry weapon in a well-armed soldier today is not a musket, but an automatic rifle.
            Quote: tracer
            That is why AK is essentially a small machine gun.

            I see that you don’t understand how the machine gun differs from the machine gun. Even from the simplest, "manual". Not to mention the "wild."
            Quote: tracer
            Just the density of fire .... solves the problem.

            Fire density it's one of the factors solutions to the problem. And there are several such factors.
            Quote: tracer
            And as for my competence, you have no doubt.

            After reading your reasoning, I doubt it very much.
            Quote: tracer
            I was a champion in small-bore rifle shooting in the republic, obviously long before your birth.

            Yeah And so you decided that you understand army weapons? In vain. I did not see any reason for this.
            Quote: tracer
            So believe me, I am familiar not only with theory, but also with practice.

            The bricklayer is also familiar with the practice. But he himself will not be able to build a normal house. Need an architect.
            1. tracer
              tracer 3 March 2018 16: 44
              +2
              Your comments are sluggish clings to the child moody for dad's leg. I want .... I want so. Yes, for God's sake ..... consider yourself an exept.
          3. would
            would 3 March 2018 10: 26
            +3
            1. That is why, in reality, with this method, a soldier will run out of ammunition before he hits someone. This is not a computer game, you won’t take 1000 rounds of ammunition with you at once and there’s no way to shoot hundreds of rounds of ammunition into the void. And the fighter will be in the middle of the battle without cartridges while they will conduct effective fire on him using the machine gun not as a machine gun, but as a machine gun. That is, to conduct effective and aimed fire with maximum short bursts. Well, and the analogy "neither to the village nor to the city", the fight and the hunt for the duck to put it mildly two different activities.

            2. It is immediately evident that the army did not serve from the word at all. For a soldier in the army, the scope should always be shot, always means always always. If you suddenly find a fighter whose aim is mowing ... it’s not even a jamb and will not fly, it’s a completely different word. For this, they can make it with their hands. Lack of a map of the defended area? What ?! THIS IS AT ALL! This is the same as saying that a company may not have weapons, a card is, by definition, everywhere and always. Especially where the unit stands, there is not one map and not on the same scale. Recognizing your alien in the form of passwords and reviews is constantly changing in peacetime.

            Do you know why? Because any army unit has a standard for combat readiness, that is, the time during which the unit can be brought into combat condition. Why is it there? Yes, because each unit must be ready to immediately engage in battle because the enemy will attack without warning. And this readiness should be very strictly checked, where it is checked, not just the performance of sighting systems is checked, but even the presence of water in the flask of each soldier. No water? Cant. No third time? On a flask filled with cement, an order to wear.

            And then comes the “sudden alert test” and it’ll check it all. How weapons are shot, how many infantry fighting vehicles on the move, how quickly they can leave, and so on. The most interesting thing is that in many parts it was after her that they began to conduct combat training.

            Therefore, in the army everyone’s weapons were shot, both sights, and recognition are fresher, and there are maps of the area, and batteries where they are needed (though we don’t give them out, the soldiers buy them themselves). And I, as a person, unlike you, is familiar with weapons, I know that any small arms need to be shot by definition, it’s written in all kinds of NSDs that Amersky M16 is our AK.
            1. tracer
              tracer 3 March 2018 16: 40
              +1
              It is evident that apparently you do not have an army and did not have any relation. The idea of ​​presentation by you broke up on the plane of the monitor. And it’s not for you to blame me for what you yourself are not good at.
              1. would
                would 3 March 2018 17: 04
                +1
                Well, as we can see, there was no answer because it says, "I took you for the gills." Because anyone who has served, or even at least theoretically savvy, knows what I wrote wonderfully. But you aren’t, in your head an unassembled rifle is possible, the absence of a map, inoperative sighting systems, the absence of a change in the definition of friend or foe among fighters and entire units. And even the ammo is endless, the weapon does not overheat and therefore units can shoot from their AK as machine guns, no training for you in shooting twos, threes, fives.

                The same can be said about your answer wer2 which just took you for the gills.

                So for the future, all I can advise you is to sit on the couch and not get into disputes where subjects are discussed that you did not even hear about, do not even know the theory hi
                1. saigon
                  saigon 4 March 2018 14: 56
                  0
                  Well, the cartridges are endless; of course, they don’t weigh a damn)), it’s interesting, it’s zinc from 5; 45, who among the fans of a quick-fire day shooting carried three on themselves at least once?
                  1. would
                    would 4 March 2018 18: 42
                    0
                    Yes, you sho! These lovers probably don’t even know that they still need to get cartridges out of this zinc and fill the shops, but they are also not endless, heavy, dimensional. And only one bullet-proof vest for these fans will cause a sharp drop in mobility and back pain, without any equipped stores. And one AK74 magazine with cartridges, if my memory serves me, weighs about 570 grams, so it depends on the magazine and the loaded cartridges.
                    1. saigon
                      saigon 4 March 2018 18: 52
                      0
                      Honestly, bronik preferred shops on his chest. It’s so easier.
                      And also a couple of pomegranates and food. Well, it’s painful to look at the radio operator. ))))
  2. Wilderness
    Wilderness 2 March 2018 16: 15
    +7
    The article should be correctly called: "A tormenting soldier’s hemorrhoids."
  3. atesterev
    atesterev 2 March 2018 16: 21
    +3
    And now with all this we’ll try to take off ...
  4. cats
    cats 2 March 2018 16: 46
    +4
    Now you don’t understand what is in front of you, a trophy rifle or a music center .. belay
    It would be good now to attach wheels to this, so many buttons are beautiful, there will not be enough hands.
  5. andrewkor
    andrewkor 2 March 2018 16: 57
    +1
    I want everything at once!
    1. tracer
      tracer 2 March 2018 18: 46
      +2
      There comes an inflatable naked woman, although there’s probably no longer a man. A compressor is built into the stock.
      And, yes, and blackjack with Internet access on ASINO .. Why else would a living dead person have money?
  6. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 March 2018 17: 46
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    Well, all this is good ... Now imagine you are in a swamp and you have run out of batteries ...

    It is necessary: ​​a) do not climb through the swamps - let the storks catch frogs there; b) have a Holosun sight.
    Seriously, their development is very interesting: 18 hours until sunrise
  7. Operator
    Operator 2 March 2018 18: 50
    +3
    The author does not need to misinform readers: silencers in the vast majority of cases are used only in bolt rifles that do not have powder gases thrown into the receiver due to the late opening of the shutter.

    An attempt to use a silencer in self-loading and, especially, in automatic rifles leads to a quick clogging of the mechanism for reloading a powder due to an early opening of the bolt and the failure of the weapon after shooting one or two stores.
    1. tracer
      tracer 3 March 2018 02: 16
      +1
      You are absolutely right. Also noticed this. I’m silent about how the Glushaks change the trajectory of the bullet, the amplitude of the barrel’s oscillation, etc. But unfortunately, some simply do not understand such "subtle" nuances. Therefore, it is necessary to write “simply” so that the sofa army would not be complex.
      1. would
        would 3 March 2018 14: 18
        0
        I’m silent about how the Glushaks change the trajectory of the bullet’s flight, the amplitude of the barrel’s oscillation, etc.


        Better from your couch you really keep quiet and do not write such nonsense. In reality, with assault rifles, silencers only compensate for the toss of the barrel with their rather considerable weight, that's all. How they can supposedly "change the trajectory of a bullet" is known only to you

        1. Operator
          Operator 3 March 2018 19: 45
          +2
          The muffler changes the midpoint of the hit, so the weapon must be shot in two versions (without and with a silencer) and in battle remember the correction for changing the STP.
          1. would
            would 3 March 2018 20: 23
            0
            When shooting with hands just like that, it can be seen both from my message and from the photo of comrade polarman.
            1. Operator
              Operator 3 March 2018 21: 55
              0
              For any shooting, including from a ballistic machine, the suspension of several hundred grams at the end of the barrel changes the amplitude of its vibrations when fired.
              1. would
                would 3 March 2018 22: 05
                0
                It changes, but how important it is when shooting with an assault rifle where the barrel is not hung I will not say. All I heard from users is, first of all, a decrease in STP due to compensation of the barrel toss by the very hundreds of grams. It affects the measurement speed at the level of the difference in batches, that is, it almost does not.

                About that, for example, a silencer would lower the STP when firing from a prone position or did not hear from the stop.

                For some high-precision sniper rifles, it is clearly different, I don’t even think about arguing because even the lack of a store affects a lot.
                1. Operator
                  Operator 3 March 2018 22: 10
                  0
                  Quote: rait
                  STP reduction

                  Decrease = Change
                  1. would
                    would 3 March 2018 22: 34
                    0
                    By itself. Does anyone argue?
  8. wer2
    wer2 2 March 2018 18: 59
    0
    Quote: Alex Alexeev
    the priority of a soldier, as a rule, is to take cover, and for this, information from where the shot was fired is very important, ”said Delannoy. “By glancing quickly at the display, you know from which direction the threat has arrived, so you can take a safe position.”

    A soldier always knows where the shot was fired from. Because he knows where the enemy is.
    This Delaney is clearly not talking about the ordinary footman. And not a soldier at all, maybe.
    Besides, why does a soldier need a silencer?
    The article is clearly not about arming ordinary soldiers. Although the title made such a word.
    1. saigon
      saigon 2 March 2018 19: 25
      +6
      Don’t the soldier always know where they were shooting from? Well, just at the first moment during the shelling it’s not horseradish, it’s not clear and just fall and roll back, look for shelter. Yes, and everyone wants to live hiding, masked Herods.
      1. wer2
        wer2 2 March 2018 20: 17
        0
        Quote: saigon
        Don’t the soldier always know where they were shooting from?

        He always knows about. If it's an ordinary foot soldier.
        1. saigon
          saigon 3 March 2018 08: 28
          +1
          Well, we have come to the conclusion that approximately, precisely approximately. and then if not in a dense urban area. And if a sniper is about five hundred meters away and you’ll see it. And time is aiming well, just not a car. So with a close encounter, why the hell am I to all these troubles?
          1. wer2
            wer2 3 March 2018 10: 18
            +1
            Quote: saigon
            and then if not in a dense urban area. And if a sniper is about five hundred meters away and you’ll see him

            An infantryman rarely fights in a city. This is the exception rather than the rule.
            A sniper, this is an even greater exception for the infantryman.
            Do not confuse an infantryman and a specialist.
            1. saigon
              saigon 3 March 2018 11: 09
              +2
              You tell this to someone but only in secret
  9. Jerk
    Jerk 2 March 2018 19: 11
    +3
    In addition to the fact that it is very expensive and unreliable (all the same, it is easier to pick up than an open sight) ... The army is a massive thing, you need to get used to it quickly if necessary. And without this, there is something to be taught.
    So the things are indisputably necessary, but to the specialists. And some very pros. And yes, an extra sight with 50 lasers on the march is a minus store. Then you’ll bother the enemy with disco with light and music when the cartridges of ek
    1. max702
      max702 3 March 2018 00: 58
      +5
      Then from the time of Afghanistan, those who are less than a little in the subject tried at the first opportunity to fasten the sight from RPG-7 to any rifleman, apparently from a dope unnecessary, and not a recent example where the MTR in Syria repelled an enemy attack by an order of magnitude superior to their number that in addition to learning, oh, how did the sights with thermal imagers and laser target indicators help and if they weren’t, then everything’s amba .. Everything from gratuitousness is not different ... Yeah ...
      1. tracer
        tracer 3 March 2018 02: 20
        +3
        This is a special forces, special forces tasks are different from the actions of conventional military units. And the special forces are simply obliged to act by unconventional methods breaking the usual tactics of the enemy. Including using weapons other than traditional. And you do not compare the training of the MTR fighter and the massive "bearded user".
        1. max702
          max702 3 March 2018 23: 27
          +1
          So today it’s not the beginning of the twentieth century, but the beginning of the 21st .. And the meat does not play a special role, only a trained fighter can bring victory on the battlefield, and in a natural way to wait when he becomes too expensive, because the means of murder have grown by an order of magnitude! how did they destroy an ordinary infantryman at the beginning of the 20th century and what now? But all these whistles and fights that a modern infantryman has are increasing his effectiveness, at least by a few percent. And they are the ones who tip the bowl in opposition .. For example, when Alpha took Amin’s palace, the defenders would have night vision cameras and laser pointers .. and even despite the superior training for the attackers, things would be very sad .. a modern infantryman without adequate equipment on the battlefield is ineffective as he learns to fight, they won’t give him .. they will kill him earlier .. I’ll allow this ..
  10. Jerk
    Jerk 2 March 2018 19: 17
    +1
    Especially about the identifier for the sound of the direction of the shot I liked. I am silent that it is necessary to hang up the lights that you are not alone to see, in the building he will show you the sound of a shot immediately from all sides))) Yes, and while you peel at the bulbs, you will be knocked down with a brick)))
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 2 March 2018 20: 29
      +2
      The usual advertising article written by marketers in the word written, I was not mistaken. They are very fond of fashion words, in this case 3D printing.
  11. M0xHaTka
    M0xHaTka 2 March 2018 21: 58
    +4
    All these fart whistles are good for special operations. When the technicians prepared everything, calibrated, checked, shot. And the operation takes a day or two.
    Even within the framework of the weekly operation, every 100 g of extra piece of iron, and there are not 100 g of them there, make combat work more difficult.
    Well, seals and police special forces know better than me from the couch
    1. M0xHaTka
      M0xHaTka 2 March 2018 21: 59
      +2
      It’s enough for the “light” to recall, and everything is already clear
  12. Mihail28
    Mihail28 3 March 2018 04: 20
    +3
    To this, ammunition with homing bullets is still required.
  13. Chever
    Chever 3 March 2018 13: 39
    0
    Undoubtedly, these things are very useful. Well at least something
  14. Altona
    Altona 3 March 2018 20: 12
    0
    Quote: TarIK2017
    And hanging a bunch of whistle-blowers on the barrel with a separate power supply, a bunch of lenses, etc., alas, they don’t add reliability.

    -----------------------------
    I kind of understood from the article that it was about sniper shooting from long distances, actually about some kind of hunting as part of a small group ... Send specially trained people with such expensive gadgets to the front line, bombarded with 155 or 152 mm field howitzer shells or 200 mm MLRS shots are probably not very logical.
  15. Altona
    Altona 3 March 2018 20: 14
    0
    Quote: Jerk
    So the things are indisputably necessary, but to the specialists. And some very pros. And yes, an extra sight with 50 lasers on the march is a minus store. Then you’ll bother the enemy with disco with light and music when the cartridges of ek

    --------------------------------
    Compete in shooting with a specialist whose weapon is shooting over the horizon hardly makes sense. The sniper will win anyway.
  16. Doliva63
    Doliva63 4 March 2018 15: 24
    +8
    Quote: wer2
    Therefore, the general armament of the army with weapons of the AK / AK-47 / AKM type (these are three slightly different types of weapons), as it was in the SA at one time, is delusional nonsense. Which could only have crossed the minds of Soviet commanders who were not quite fully competent in military affairs.

    What a pearl! For what IN love - you can, at least for a while, escape from reality laughing drinks
  17. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 5 March 2018 09: 08
    +1
    The good old AK-47 and RPG-7 in capable hands are capable of much ... and stray and other "nishtyaki" in the hands of losers - just PONT. Of course they are needed, but to a very narrow circle of really trained users, for a specific task.
  18. Yak28
    Yak28 5 March 2018 21: 58
    +3
    I'm certainly not a soldier, but as a good player in Battlefield and Call of Duty I will say that, without holographic, collimator sights, and other bells and whistles, it is played quite comfortably and effectively.