Media: Russia and India agreed on frigates of the "admiral" series

Russian frigates of the "admiral" series will join the Indian fleet. According to the portal janes.com, the military departments of India and Russia have agreed on the financial terms of a deal to sell four frigates.

As part of the agreement, the parties agreed on the terms of India's purchase of ships of the Krivak III project (Russian project 11356). Thus, Russia will sell to India the frigates Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov, the fate of which remained unclear for a long time due to Ukraine's refusal to supply engines for them. Two more frigates will be built at the Indian shipyard Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL).

The deal will be worth $ 3 billion - $ 775 million per ship. The delivery of the first frigate to the customer will take place four years after the signing of the contract. Thus, the Indian fleet will receive a total of ten ships of the Krivak III type. At the same time, the deal must still be approved by the Indian government.

India is already familiar with Project 11356 ships as they were developed from the Talwar frigates designed for the Indian Navy. It is known that the Indian military plans to equip the new frigates with BrahMos cruise missiles. "Warspot".

Comments

[g1v2]

Again the fairy tale about the white bull? And in a month there will be another interview that completely contradicts this infe and so on in a circle.

[maxim947]

Or maybe they finished off the question ...
Of course it is sad.

[g1v2]

Well, for now, another article from a third-party site, and not an official announcement. There were already such ones - a carriage and a small cart. Infa changes every couple of months. Apparently there is no final decision. When will be - xs.

[seti]

It's not a pity. We'll build the buildings, that's a fact. And leaving the old ones to wait for new turbines is a rise in the cost of each ship. We will build new ones - fortunately, the technology has been worked out and by that time we will prepare our turbines. And so we will still make money on this.

[silver169]

Yeah, build it. And how much will you build each building? Again 10-15 years old?

[Setrac]

Quote: silver169

Yeah, build it. And how much will you build each building? Again 10-15 years old?

Threw shit on the fan?

[silver169]

Shit in your head, however.

[seti]

Look at the pace of construction of the buildings - I think they will upset you very much. I repeat - the body is bullshit. The filling and power plant are much more expensive and more important.

[maxim947]

It's not a pity. We'll build the buildings, that's a fact. And leaving the old ones to wait for new turbines is a rise in the cost of each ship. We will build new ones - fortunately, the technology has been worked out and by that time we will prepare our turbines. And so we will still make money on this.

It's a pity that it happened.
And the fact that the issue may be resolved is better this way than rusting for years.

[Don]

Seems like the truth this time. It is a pity of course for Istomin and Kornilov, but they were destined to rust at the wall of the plant for many years. And so, they will surf the sea under our friendly flag.

[cormorant]

Bad news. The fleet urgently needs an update, and ships, even those planned for the Russian Navy, are being sold to the Indians. Where is the logic?

[kapitan92]

Quote: g1v2

Again the fairy tale about the white bull? And in a month there will be another interview that completely contradicts this infe and so on in a circle.

It won't work anymore! A prototype of a Russian-made gas turbine unit (GTU) for promising frigate of project 22350 will be commissioned for testing at the beginning of 2018; at the end of this year, the first serial installation for equipping the ship under construction may also be delivered.
On frigates of project 11356, the question is often asked - is it possible to install a GTU from project 22350 on frigates of project 11356?
It's impossible. Rybinsk NPO Saturn, which is supposed to replace the import of Ukrainian engines, presented two proposals to the developers.
The first involved the use of two M90FR engines with a capacity of 27 thousand horsepower - they are equipped with project 22350 frigates (of the Admiral Gorshkov type), now the serial production of such plants, also developed in Ukraine, is being mastered on Saturn. But for the sake of such engines will have to redesign the internal compartments of frigates of project 11356.
In this situation, we made the right decision to sell to the Indians.

[Romario_Argo]

In this situation, we made the right decision to sell to the Indians.

but it is better for us to work out technologies on the corvette of project 20386 and to build something like that in 8000 tons

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Actually, to sell the Indians the ships that our fleet needs so much is treason and betrayal. I hope that the article is another duck.

[210ox]

Domestic gas turbines will go to another "admiral's series". Everything is clear.

[donavi49]

I wrote in the last thread, domestic gas turbines are not suitable for direct replacement. Although because 11356 are gas and gas turbine ships. So far, no one is putting marching turbines into series (only plans). Even if it does, it will again have a different size, weight, energy, carts - that is, it is necessary to redo the mass of living things.

The options are:
- sell to India for original energy. Moreover, Zorya supplies India according to an established scheme, India already has its own service and repair center. The same afterburner turbines as on 11356 go not only to Kolkata (the most powerful destroyer of the Indian Navy), but also to the promising 15V (improved Calcuta - 4 ships are being built).
- to remake it for a complex unified with 22350. That is, to make a diesel-gas turbine plant, with 2 Kolomna D49s in the cruise version and 2 afterburners M-90FR. This will require a separate R&D project, will change the ship's running characteristics to a large extent, and will require a really large amount of rework on the living. Taking into account everything, it is unlikely that the head frigate with a diesel-gas turbine installation will be presented for testing earlier than 22 years.
- to carry out work on the adaptation of the turbine M-90FR for cruising use. This is definitely a losing option from a diesel engine or an original in terms of resource, but an option. However, this will require experimental work from turbinists, a large amount of alterations on the ship, and each 11356 will require 4 turbines, while 22350 - only 2. That, in the conditions of a small launch release, will also move the delivery time of the units to the ship.

[alexmach]

There were also rumors about equipping admirals with installations based on the M70FRU. They also talked about the fact that they will be useful for replacing older projects on ships.

[Grits]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to send tank columns to march through Zaporozhye? With the subsequent joining together with the Zaporozhye factories. In any case, it will be much faster this way.

[23424636]

from Nikolaev "Zori..mashproekt" nowhere, but Saturn develops virtual turbines of the 5th generation.

[Andrey Ivanov]

Hmm, we’ve been sitting in the nose since the age of 13, looking at Motor Sich and arguing that our partners will not let us down. We built 4 frigates (which would never have interfered with our fleets), so that then suddenly heroically import substitution of gas turbine units came, when it came to the understanding that we would not see the power plants from Motor Sich as our own ears. 5 years! We were busy with crap, then to sell frigates with a merciless shortage of ships of this class in their fleets.
As according to Lavrov-DB.

[Mountain shooter]

GTU is made by Nikolaevskaya "Zorya" "Motor-Sich" is not in business here. Saturn GTU - made. Information on delivery to Hindus means that it is more convenient that way. Our fleet will not be left without frigates.

[Andrey Ivanov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

GTU makes Nikolaev "Zorya" "Motor Sich" is not in business here.

Yes, you are right ... Zorya ... but for us, as for the customer of these gas turbines, in fact the same eggs, only a side view.

[K-50]

The deal will be worth $ 3 billion - $ 775 million per ship

I wonder what it is like in "global" prices? Expensive or "cheap"?

[donavi49]

If with a makeweight (weapons, service organization, training, etc.) - then quite yourself. For naked - a little expensive.

On average, a frigate costs $ 600-700 million today.

For example, FREMM is exported at 675 million apiece, and the Italians are building under a contract at 550 million euros apiece.

[sleeve]

Yes ... Really expensive. Taking into account the fact that the "giblets" are completed by the Indians. After all, it is not electronics that costs so much ... There it is and not all of ours. And the set of weapons is limited. Even if the Ka-27 is included in the contract. It's still a little expensive, and seriously.

[Berkut24]

Not a bad option. we will return the money invested, it will be possible to order a new pair for them. Kaliningraders make them faster and faster. Ditched.

[KVU-NSVD]

It's a pity Kornilov and Istomin will be sold. Hopefully Gorshkov and the subsequent ships will soon bring to mind ...

[bk316]

but where does Gorshkov have to do with it? This is a different project.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: bk316

but where does Gorshkov have to do with it? This is a different project.

I know . It's just that with the sale of these two Project 11356, only Gorshkov and the rest will be replenished (from large ships).

[alexmach]

Despite the fact that now this is almost the only hope for replenishing the fleet with ships from the far sea zone.

[Monarchist]

Sadness and what a sadness. Sometimes I catch myself thinking: it would be better not to have these unfortunate "admirals", and then so much has been said and very different: then "tomorrow we will put our gas turbine engines and forward" to "admirals as it was not and will not be."

[bk316]

Did I understand correctly that Butakov will be completed?

[donavi49]

Within the framework of military-technical cooperation with India, a fundamental decision was reached that two frigates 11356 will be fully completed for this country in Kaliningrad. For this, the TFR corps, which were built for the Black Sea Fleet, will be used. We are talking about the TFR "Admiral Butakov" and "Admiral Istomin", which are in varying degrees of readiness.

Another under construction, but mothballed TFR "Admiral Kornilov" will have to be completed at one of the enterprises in India... Currently, the issue of its delivery to the construction site and the degree of technological participation of the parties in this project.

PSZ "Yantar" under two contracts with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was supposed to build six frigates of Project 11356 for the Black Sea Fleet. Three of them were built and handed over to the Navy, three more buildings are in different stages of construction.

[Monarchist]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

GTU is made by Nikolaevskaya "Zorya" "Motor-Sich" is not in business here. Saturn GTU - made. Information on delivery to Hindus means that it is more convenient that way. Our fleet will not be left without frigates.

Drink honey with your lips. If "Saturn" made its own gas turbines, what kind of "Kornilov" and "Istomin" to sell to the Indians?
"Our fleet will not be left without frigates", but which ones and when

[senima56]

This is certainly a "fairy tale" .... Everything will not end in any way ... and the end is not clear: we sell, we finish building!

[Monarchist]

Quote: 210ox

Domestic gas turbines will go to another "admiral's series". Everything is clear.

What other "adipal series"? It was infa that the "Saturns" - "Zorya" are compatible only with the "Petrel" and the previous series, and the "Gorshkov" is designed for a different engine

[donavi49]

M90FR is originally a joint engine (Zorya cannot do it herself).

There is only one project 22350 in iron (and not made of papier mache) for this engine (Gorshkov, Kasatonov, Golovko and Isakov - the Soviet admiral's series).

Therefore, the Kolomna sustainer diesel + M90FR are standard units for 22350.

At 11356, there is a gas-gas turbine unit made of sustainer DC-71 (UGT-6000) and afterburner DT-59 (UGT16000). The only manufacturer in the world Zorya. And there is no point in setting up the production of these units from the 70s.

[Alex_59]

The Russian fleet is turning into a small fleet of non-serial "samples". four 11356, four 22350, six 20380, six 22160, two 11661, two 11540, two 1135.
Enchanting. Such a "unified" circus would destroy any fleet even before the start of the war. 6 pieces for each fleet. Only Ukraine can be frightened with such an army.
The US Navy has one (ONE !!!) serial type of destroyer in the amount of more than 65 pieces for the entire fleet!

[Kurare]

Quote: Alex_59

The US Navy has one (ONE !!!) serial type of destroyer in the amount of more than 65 pieces for the entire fleet!

One, then he is alone, but there are 4 episodes that are quite different from each other. Of course, one cannot say that these are 4 different ships, but they are really different.
NS. 11356 - this was a forced measure, since this ship was well mastered by the industry precisely due to contracts with the Indians. We managed to build 3 units. Switch to 22350 and increase the batch.
I would very much like to hope that the problems of 22350 will be finally resolved by the end of the year.

[Tektor]

And it seems to me that everything will be tip-top! Our frigates will go to the Black Sea Fleet with the Zori-Mashproekt kits, and new hulls will be laid and built for India, because 4 more years ... And Bukra should fall apart this year due to complete insolvency, and we can save Zorya ...

[Xscorpion]

Quote: g1v2

Again the fairy tale about the white bull? And in a month there will be another interview that completely contradicts this infe and so on in a circle.

Perhaps. As usual, they saw how someone from the Russian military met with an Indian, and came up with an interview for them, because what they were talking about is unknown.

[Clone]

Yeah ... the situation is anecdotal ...
- What can you say about what is happening?
- Can I use obscenities?
- Not
- Then everything is fine.

[turbris]

Again stuffing, who signed what and when - is silent, we will wait for information from the Navy General Committee.

[Borik]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

Actually, to sell the Indians the ships that our fleet needs so much is treason and betrayal. I hope that the article is another duck.

Clearly said no engines for them. So there is no need to rot the body, let the Indians rejoice. That's when the “Saturn” will master something suitable, then you can re-rivet if you decide to certainly continue this series.

[Wolka]

first money and everything, then ships ...

[Vladimir1155]

the right decision, we do not need large oil companies now, we need submarines and minesweepers, and a large one in 10 years, when 1155 will be scrapped

[Alexey-74]

Again we played in the Indian side .... some kind of swing.