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Media: Russia and India agreed on frigates of the "admiral" series

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Russian frigates of the "Admiral" series will join the Indian fleet. According to the portal janes.com, the military departments of India and Russia agreed on the financial terms of the sale of four frigates.


Media: Russia and India agreed on frigates of the "admiral" series


Under the contract, the parties agreed on the conditions for the purchase by India of ships of the Krivak III project (the Russian project 11356). Thus, Russia will sell the frigates “Admiral Istomin” and “Admiral Kornilov” to India, the fate of which has long remained unclear due to the refusal of Ukraine to supply engines for them. Two more frigates will be built at the Indian shipyard Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL).

The transaction value will be $ 3 billion - at $ 775 million per ship. The transfer of the first frigate to the customer will take place four years after the signing of the contract. Thus, the Indian fleet will receive a total of ten ships of the type Krivak III. At the same time, the Indian government still has to approve the deal.

India is already familiar with the 11356 project ships, since they were developed on the basis of Talwar frigates designed for the Indian Navy. It is known that the Indian military plans to equip new frigates with cruise missiles BrahMos, reports "Warspot".
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  1. g1v2
    g1v2 28 February 2018 15: 12
    +7
    Again a fairy tale about a white bull? And in a month some other interview will be completely contradictory to this info and so on in a circle. request
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 28 February 2018 15: 14
      0
      Or maybe they still finished off the question ...
      Of course it is sad.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 28 February 2018 15: 39
        +5
        Well, for now, another article from a third-party site, and not an official announcement. request There were already such ones - a wagon and a small cart. Every couple of months infa changes. Apparently there is no final decision. When will be - xs.
      2. seti
        seti 28 February 2018 15: 42
        +4
        Just not a pity. Buildings we will build another fact. And leaving the old ones to wait for new turbines is the cost of each ship. We’ll build new ones - the technology is well-developed, and by that time we’ll prepare our own turbines. And still make money on this.
        1. silver169
          silver169 28 February 2018 16: 05
          +7
          Yeah, build it. And how many will you build each building? Again 10-15 years?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 February 2018 16: 56
            +5
            Quote: silver169
            Yeah, build it. And how many will you build each building? Again 10-15 years?

            Threw shit on the fan?
            1. silver169
              silver169 1 March 2018 02: 06
              +1
              Shit in your head, however.
          2. seti
            seti 28 February 2018 17: 44
            +5
            Look at the pace of building buildings - I think they will really upset you. I repeat - the case is garbage. The filling and power plant are much more expensive and more important.
        2. maxim947
          maxim947 28 February 2018 16: 50
          +2
          Just not a pity. Buildings we will build another fact. And leaving the old ones to wait for new turbines is the cost of each ship. We’ll build new ones - the technology is well-developed, and by that time we’ll prepare our own turbines. And still make money on this.

          Too bad it happened.
          And the fact that the question may be resolved is better than rusting for years.
    2. Don
      Don 28 February 2018 15: 21
      +2
      Sounds like the truth this time. It’s a pity, of course, between Istomin and Kornilov, but they were destined to rust at the factory wall for many years. And so, sea spaces will be plowed under the flag friendly to us.
    3. cormorant
      cormorant 28 February 2018 15: 40
      0
      Bad news. The fleet urgently needs an update, and ships, even planned for the Russian Navy, are being sold to the Indians. Where is the logic?
    4. kapitan92
      kapitan92 28 February 2018 15: 42
      +12
      Quote: g1v2
      Again a fairy tale about a white bull? And in a month some other interview will be completely contradictory to this info and so on in a circle. request

      Already will not work! A prototype gas turbine unit (GTU) of Russian production for promising frigate project 22350 It will be put to testing in early 2018, at the end of this year the first serial installation for equipping a ship under construction can also be delivered.
      On frigates of project 11356 they often ask the question - is it possible to install a gas turbine from project 22350 on frigates of pr. 11356?
      It's impossible. The Rybinsk NPO Saturn, which should achieve import substitution for Ukrainian engines, once submitted two proposals to the developers.
      The first involved the use of two M90FR engines with a capacity of 27 thousand horsepower - they are equipped with project 22350 frigates (of the Admiral Gorshkov type), now the serial production of such plants, also developed in Ukraine, is being mastered on Saturn. But for the sake of such engines will have to redesign the internal compartments of frigates of project 11356.
      In this situation, they made the right decision to sell to the Indians.
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 28 February 2018 17: 36
        +1
        In this situation, they made the right decision to sell to the Indians.

        and it’s better for us to work out the technologies on the corvette of 20386 Ave. and build something similar in 8000 tons
    5. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 28 February 2018 17: 26
      0
      Actually, to sell the Indians the ships that our fleet needs so much is treason and betrayal. I hope that the article is another duck.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 28 February 2018 15: 12
    +3
    Domestic gas turbines will go to another "admiral series." Everything is clear.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 February 2018 15: 37
      +7
      I wrote in a previous topic, domestic gas turbines are not suitable for direct replacement. Though because 11356 - gas and gas turbine ships. So far no one has put marching turbines in a series (only plans). Even if you put it - again there will be a different dimension, weight, energy, supply - that is, you need to redo the mass of living.

      The options are:
      - sell to India under the original energy. Moreover, Zorya supplies India according to an established scheme; India already has its own service and repair center. The same afterburner turbines that are on the 11356 - go not only to Calcuta (the most powerful destroyer of the Indian Navy), but also to the promising 15В (improved Calcuta - they are building the 4 ship).
      - remake for a complex unified with 22350. That is, to make a diesel-gas turbine unit, with 2 Kolomna D49 in the marching version and 2 afterburners M-90FR. This will require a separate OCD, it will change the ship's running characteristics to a large extent, it will require a really large amount of alterations for living. Given all this, it is unlikely that the head frigate with a diesel-gas turbine unit will be presented for testing earlier than 22 of the year.
      - carry out work on adapting the M-90FR turbine to marching use. This is definitely a losing option from a diesel engine or the original resource, but an option. However, experimental work by turbinists will be required here, a large amount of alterations on the ship, as well as each 11356 will require 4 turbines, while 22350 will only require 2. That in the conditions of a small starting release, will also delay the timing of delivery of units to the ship.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 1 March 2018 02: 02
        +1
        There were also rumors about equipping admirals with installations based on the M70FRU. They also said that they would be useful for replacing older projects on ships.
      2. Grits
        Grits 1 March 2018 06: 13
        0
        But wouldn’t it be cheaper to send tank columns by march through Zaporozhye? With the subsequent accession to itself together with Zaporizhzhya factories. In any case, it will be much faster.
  3. 23424636
    23424636 28 February 2018 15: 14
    0
    from Nikolaev "Zori..mashproekt" is nowhere, but Saturn is developing virtual turbines of the 5th generation.
  4. Andrey Ivanov
    Andrey Ivanov 28 February 2018 15: 18
    +14
    Hmm, they were sitting from the age of 13 picking their nose, looking at Motor Sich and arguing that the partners would not fail. They lined up 4 frigates (which our fleets would never have bothered with), so that they would suddenly heroically import gas turbine engines when it came to understand that we won’t see the power plants from Motor Sich as our ears. 5 years! They were engaged in crap, so that later they could sell frigates with a merciless deficit of ships of this class in their fleets.
    Like Lavrov-DB. fool
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 28 February 2018 15: 25
      +8
      GTU makes Nikolaev "Zorya" "Motor Sich" is not in the business. Saturn GTU - did. Information on the supply of Indians - so it’s more convenient. Our fleet will not be left without frigates.
      1. Andrey Ivanov
        Andrey Ivanov 28 February 2018 15: 30
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        GTU makes Nikolaev "Zorya" "Motor Sich" is not in the business.

        Yes, you're right ... Zorya ... but for us, as for the customer of these gas turbines, in fact the same eggs, only a side view.
  5. K-50
    K-50 28 February 2018 15: 22
    +2
    The transaction value will be $ 3 billion - at $ 775 million per ship.

    I wonder what it is in the "global" prices? Expensive or "cheapened"? what
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 February 2018 15: 30
      +11
      If with an appendage (weapons, the organization of service, training, etc.) - then it’s quite for yourself. For bare - a little expensive.

      On average, a frigate costs 600-700 million dollars today.

      For example, FREMM is exported at 675mln apiece, while Italians are contractually building at 550 million euros apiece.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 28 February 2018 20: 21
        0
        Yes ... Really a little expensive. Given the fact that the "offal" finish the Indians. After all, not electronics is worth so much ... There it is not all ours. And the range of weapons is limited. Even to include in the contract Ka-27. Still a little expensive. And seriously.
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  6. Berkut24
    Berkut24 28 February 2018 15: 28
    +2
    Not a bad option. we will return the invested money, it will be possible to order a new pair for them. Kaliningraders make them faster and faster. Podnarivsya.
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 28 February 2018 15: 28
    +4
    Sorry Kornilov with Istomin will be sold. I hope Gorshkov and the subsequent ships will nevertheless quickly bring to mind ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 February 2018 15: 38
      +3
      and where does Gorshkov? This is another project.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 28 February 2018 15: 41
        +4
        Quote: bk316
        and where does Gorshkov? This is another project.

        I know . Just with the sale of these two projects 11356 there remains only (Gorshkov and the rest) replenishment (from large ships) ..
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 1 March 2018 02: 05
        +1
        Despite the fact that now it is almost the only hope for the replenishment of the fleet with ships of the far sea zone.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 28 February 2018 15: 31
    0
    Sadness and what sadness. Sometimes I catch myself thinking: it would be better if there weren’t these unfortunate “admirals”, or it’s been said so much and so different: then “tomorrow we’ll put our GTE and go ahead” to “admirals as it never was.”
  9. bk316
    bk316 28 February 2018 15: 40
    +2
    Did I understand correctly that Butakov would be completed?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 February 2018 15: 48
      +9
      In the framework of the military-technical cooperation with India, a fundamental decision was reached that two frigates 11356 will be completely completed for this country in Kaliningrad. For this, the TFR corps, which were built for the Black Sea Fleet, will be used. We are talking about the TFR "Admiral Butakov" and "Admiral Istomin", which are at different degrees of readiness.

      Another Admiral Kornilov under construction, but mothballed, will have to be completed at one of the enterprises in India. The issue of its delivery to the construction site and the degree of technological participation of the parties in this project.

      The Yantar Shipyard, under two contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense, was to build six frigates of the 11356 project for the Black Sea Fleet. Three of them were built and transferred to the fleet, three more hulls are in different stages of construction.
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 28 February 2018 15: 41
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    GTU makes Nikolaev "Zorya" "Motor Sich" is not in the business. Saturn GTU - did. Information on the supply of Indians - so it’s more convenient. Our fleet will not be left without frigates.

    With your lips and honey to drink. If “Saturn” made its GTU then what *** “Kornilov” and “Istomin” to sell to the Indians?
    "Our fleet will not be left without frigates," but which and when
  11. senima56
    senima56 28 February 2018 15: 43
    0
    This is certainly a "fairy tale" .... It won’t end in any way ... and the end is not clear: we sell, then we finish!
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 28 February 2018 15: 48
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    Domestic gas turbines will go to another "admiral series." Everything is clear.

    What other "admiral series"? There was infa that “Saturn” - “Zorya” are compatible only with “petrel” and previous series, and “Gorshkov” is designed for another engine
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 February 2018 16: 00
      +4
      M90FR - originally a joint engine (Zorya cannot do it herself).

      In iron (and not from paper mache) for this engine there is only one 22350 project (Gorshkov, Kasatonov, Golovko and Isakov - the Soviet admiral series).

      Therefore, the Kolomna march diesel + M90FR are standard units for 22350.

      11356 has a gas and gas turbine unit from marching engines DS-71 (UGT-6000) and afterburners DT-59 (UGT16000). The only producer in the world of Zorya. And to establish the production of these units from the 70's - there is no point.
  13. Alex_59
    Alex_59 28 February 2018 15: 59
    +2
    The Russian fleet is turning into a small fleet of non-serial "samples". four 11356, four 22350, six 20380, six 22160, two 11661, two 11540, two 1135.
    Enchanting. Such a "unified" circus will destroy any fleet before the start of the war. 6 pieces per fleet. Only scare Ukraine with such a host.
    There is one (ONE !!!) serial destroyer type in the US Navy in the amount of more than 65 units for the entire fleet!
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 28 February 2018 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: Alex_59
      There is one (ONE !!!) serial destroyer type in the US Navy in the amount of more than 65 units for the entire fleet!

      One is one, but there are 4 series that are quite different from each other. Of course, you can’t say that these are 4 different ships, but they are really different.
      Etc. 11356 - it was a necessary measure, since this ship was well mastered by industry precisely due to contracts with the Indians. Managed to build 3 units. We switch to 22350 and increase the series.
      I'd like to hope that the problems of 22350 will be finally resolved before the end of the year.
  14. Tektor
    Tektor 28 February 2018 16: 22
    0
    And it seems to me that everything will be tip-top! Our frigates will go to the Black Sea Fleet with Zori-Mashproekt kits, and for India they will lay and build new hulls, because another 4 years ... And BuKra should fall apart this year due to complete insolvency, and we can save Zorya ...
  15. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 28 February 2018 16: 54
    +1
    Quote: g1v2
    Again a fairy tale about a white bull? And in a month some other interview will be completely contradictory to this info and so on in a circle. request


    Perhaps. As they usually saw how one of the Russian military met with the Indian, and came up with an interview for them, because what they were talking about is unknown.
  16. Clone
    Clone 28 February 2018 17: 09
    +2
    Yeah ... the situation is anecdotal ...
    - What can you say about what is happening?
    - Can I use obscenities?
    - Not
    - Then everything is fine.
  17. turbris
    turbris 28 February 2018 17: 11
    0
    Again, the stuffing, who signed what, when, is silent, we’ll wait for information from the Navy Civil Code.
  18. Borik
    Borik 28 February 2018 18: 49
    +2
    Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
    Actually, to sell the Indians the ships that our fleet needs so much is treason and betrayal. I hope that the article is another duck.


    Clearly said no engines for them. So there is no need to rot the body, let the Indians rejoice. That's when the “Saturn” will master something suitable, then you can re-rivet if you decide to certainly continue this series.
  19. Wolka
    Wolka 28 February 2018 18: 51
    0
    first, and that’s all, then the ships ...
  20. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 1 March 2018 08: 38
    0
    the right decision, we don’t need large NKs right now, we need submarines and minesweepers, and a big thing in 10 years, when 1155 will be scrapped
  21. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 1 March 2018 10: 37
    0
    Again, played in the Indian side .... straight some kind of swing.