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Stop and think. 30 years to the tragic events in Sumgait

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February 27 1988 began to develop events, which, according to historians, can be considered the first case of large-scale interethnic conflict in the post-war Soviet stories. These same events today are called by many the beginning of the destruction of Soviet statehood in the Caucasus. We are talking about events in the Azerbaijani city of Sumgayit.


Stop and think. 30 years to the tragic events in Sumgait


Until now, the assessments of those events look contradictory, which is often associated with the ethnicity of experts, such assessments give. However, one cannot be denied exactly: in the Transcaucasus, in February 1988, blood was shed, and the echoes of this bloodshed are still tragically echoing in the Transcaucasian region.

The Sumgait conflict, which, according to official data, killed 32 people and suffered more than 110, led to the first massive refugee flows within the Soviet Union in the entire post-war history. The Armenian population stretched to the Armenian SSR, as well as to the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of the NKAR (to Stepanakert).

The official results of the investigation of the events by the USSR Prosecutor General's Office: 26 dead - ethnic Armenians, 6 - Azeris. Armenian sources today claim that the death toll during the tragic events in Sumgait is more than the official values ​​at least 10 times.

The bloody clashes between Azerbaijanis and Armenians in Sumgayit took place against the background of frequent rallies - on the one hand “for the annexation of the NKAO to the Armenian SSR”, on the other - “for helping the Azerbaijani population of Armenia”. The prime cause of all these events could well be provocation against the background of the upcoming so-called "parade of sovereignties" of the final period of Gorbachev's restructuring. In the historiography there is also a version about the incitement of the Sumgait pogroms by Western intelligence agencies. Another question is: where did the “local” special services look in this case?

From the book "Rebellious Karabakh" of the former officer of the Office of Preventive Services of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs Viktor Krivopuskov:
The spread of slanderous rumors that Azerbaijanis are being murdered and raped in Armenia, the incitement of hatred towards Armenian fellow countrymen against the background of professional and everyday disorder and deprivation, appeals to free apartments from Armenians and settle in them allowed the organizers to easily provoke pogroms and killing of Armenians.


The tragedy in Sumgait and to this day often remains the reason for more than tense Armenian-Azerbaijani relations, which translates into a military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. It would be desirable to hope that the parties to this conflict, nevertheless, have stepped over both through external provocations and through their own ambitions, and put an end to the protracted path of violence and inter-ethnic strife.
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  1. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 February 2018 13: 34
    +4
    Turkish special services eat their pita bread for good reason
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 February 2018 13: 47
      +28
      Do not blame everything on external players. Here, first of all, is the activity of Soviet national elites who want to separate a separate "principality" for themselves. Using the economic problems of the late USSR.
      But the special services, Turkish, American or Uruguayan-et. for the second time. They are never capable of creating these kinds of processes. Only to strengthen and push in the direction necessary for yourself.
      1. Safevi
        Safevi 27 February 2018 15: 10
        +8
        "Turkish special services are not in vain eating their pita bread"
        I have not read such a comment far from reality for a long time! On the site, the Americans are usually to blame. Now have the Turks added? And it’s weak to write that if the union leadership would fulfill its duties on time, it would stop the separatist tendencies in Karabakh and in Armenia itself, then there would be no further escalation of violence!
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 27 February 2018 17: 42
          +3
          Quote: sefevi
          the separatist tendencies in Karabakh would be stopped in the bud

          Or maybe it was a trend towards self-determination of the people?
          1. Homeland
            Homeland 27 February 2018 22: 16
            +4
            You probably mean the right to self-determination of the Chechen people in the 90s ....
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 27 February 2018 23: 09
              +2
              In your opinion, Azeri have the right to self-determination - but Armenians, Talysh and Lezgins - no?
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 28 February 2018 00: 07
                +4
                Quote: Weyland
                In your opinion, Azeri have the right to self-determination - but Armenians, Talysh and Lezghins - no

                Armenians have made up their minds. They have their own state, which is recognized by the UN. And let them sit quietly in the rest. Then Adler, Sochi and Pyatigorsk will have to be separated. The Azerbaijanis are sitting in Iran, in Georgia and in many places. What will we define ourselves everywhere? ?
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 28 February 2018 22: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Armenians have decided. They have their own state, which is recognized within the UN.

                  But what about the Talysh and Lezghins?
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 5 March 2018 00: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Weyland
                    But what about the Talysh and Lezghins?

                    That's as soon as Iran gives independence to the Talysh and Russia to the Lezgins, we will do it right after them.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 February 2018 14: 04
      +21
      I remember that in 88th I was on advanced training courses for prosecutors and investigators in Leningrad on Liteiny. There cadets from all over the Union hundreds of 2-3 were. Already in January, rumors spread about the separation of NGOs from Azerbaijan. And in March, Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians scored from the course. Something 10-12 people in the investigation team of the Prosecutor General of the USSR. Ten days they lived in quarantine without leaving the hostel in Kubinka. Then they hung up. I thought it went, but no. After a year and a half, they nevertheless pulled out on a business trip to Karabakh. Moscow had to wait until the events in Baku ended from January 19 to 21, 1990. Arrived at the place through Yerevan. And there are already full of clouded Armenian graves and Orthodox churches. It all started with the fact that the Azerbaijan SSR appealed to the NKR with bribes and bribes, infringed on the Armenians in terms of salary. Gorbachev promised to give NPO greater autonomy, and so he did not fulfill his promises. hi
      1. Yujanin.
        Yujanin. 27 February 2018 15: 06
        +9
        It all started with the fact that the Azerbaijan SSR appealed to the NKR with bribes and bribes, infringed on the Armenians in terms of salary.

        Now how are things going? Corruption eradicated, salaries in full are issued?
        Everyone is happy?
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 27 February 2018 18: 51
          +5
          Yujanin
          Now how are things going? Corruption eradicated, salaries in full are issued?
          Everyone is happy?
          No, they all piled up in friendly friendship in Sochi. All of you remember the "evil cannibals". And the Russians pout that we do not help them deal with you. And the Turks take the mountain away. In general, we are Russian to blame for everything. How are you all tired repeatI would have taken all the Russians who were still taken by your former ones. And I sent all who are yours with you as an espresso, them, those, and even those who are not Russians (at least).
          1. Cheldon
            Cheldon 27 February 2018 19: 53
            +7
            I have a Russian colleague who lives in Azerbaijan and does not complain. Warrant Officer, receives a pension (in rubles) even more than my officer. Those who work on the platforms get it very well, but you need to know the Azerbaijani technical. Everything is like everywhere else. For him, Azerbaijan’s 2nd native, the children study in a Russian school.
            Quote: Observer2014
            Yujanin
            Now how are things going? Corruption eradicated, salaries in full are issued?
            Everyone is happy?
            No, they all piled up in friendly friendship in Sochi. All of you remember the "evil cannibals". And the Russians pout that we do not help them deal with you. And the Turks take the mountain away. In general, we are Russian to blame for everything. How are you all tired repeatI would have taken all the Russians who were still taken by your former ones. And I sent all who are yours with you as an espresso, them, those, and even those who are not Russians (at least).
      2. Safevi
        Safevi 27 February 2018 15: 16
        +15
        and the site didn’t remember about the genocide in the city of Khojaly. If you pretend to be impartial (at least in words), then you could remember the victims of that ethnic cleansing - the most monstrous massacre of civilians since the Second World War in a single village. 2 civilians, mostly children, women and the elderly, were killed in the most inhumane way. People were killed and their property was looted. Photo taken by a French journalist on the morning of February 613, 26 in Khojaly.
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        2. garnik
          garnik 27 February 2018 19: 00
          +1
          No need to scare the shots. Maybe I put a heartbreaking photo.
          Mustafayev said: “Dana, do you understand what they did? Now, after such shots, I have to walk around in Baku in bulletproof vest ”
          dolzhna-vostorzhestvovat /
          http://sumgait.info/khojaly/khojaly.htm
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    3. iouris
      iouris 28 February 2018 01: 35
      +1
      So in the USSR began the counter-revolution "from above." As a result, we have what we have.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 13: 37
    +29
    Stop and think. 30 years to the tragic events in Sumgait
    Sumgait? and
    Dushanbe, and then through the "republics"? swallow and forget? "Characteristic, - writes in his book" Enemy of the People "D.O. Rogozin - that the first victims of the brutal separatists were Russian civilians. For example, the intra-Tajik massacre between the “Vovchiks” and “Yurchiks” was preceded by reprisals in Dushanbe and other cities over the Russian population. In mid-February 1990, national Islamists literally tore apart one and a half thousand Russian men and women in Dushanbe. Women under the roar of machine gun bursts and the roar of rapists were forced to undress and run in a circle on the square of the railway station.



    ***

    “On the day when it all started, all the morgues of the city of Dushanbe were crowded with the bodies of Russian people, for this reason even additional field morgues were organized.
    .
    Two Russian students were raped and publicly torn to pieces in the central square. You can talk a lot about all the horrors that happened there ... but I don’t want to incite anything here, especially since it’s hard to believe in many things. (we are peaceful, but good memory.)
    1. Vard
      Vard 27 February 2018 13: 42
      +15
      Russians are always extreme ... and why ... because we are all friends and brothers ... but on the contrary ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 13: 53
        +8
        Quote: Vard
        Russians are always extreme ... and why ... because we are all friends and brothers ... but on the contrary ...

        voooot ... we are gullible, and betray is not ours. from which we suffer.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 27 February 2018 14: 52
        +3
        Quote: Vard
        Russians are always extreme ... why.

        And therefore, my friend, that when the Russians are strong in their cohesion they are afraid of them, and when the Russians start to beat each other and even worse to kill, then the others stop respecting the Russians - this is EAST !!!!
      3. Separ
        Separ 27 February 2018 20: 29
        +3
        Non-Russians always (and even now) perceive our kindness as weakness, and this is why all our problems come from it - but they have no problems.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 27 February 2018 13: 51
      +8
      that the first victims of the brutal separatists were Russian civilians

      Russians in Karabakh ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 13: 59
        +11
        Quote: The same Lech
        that the first victims of the brutal separatists were Russian civilians

        Russians in Karabakh ...

        oh, it’s not worth Lech, the idea to develop further ... the men clogged with reinforcement come to mind, old men, raped girls, women and old women ... moreover, in public and perverted. The Russian heart tolerated a lot, but there is a limit. and some people don’t like it ...
        1. garnik
          garnik 27 February 2018 14: 19
          +5
          You are right, it was not worth raising this topic, nothing but hatred and revenge comes to mind.
        2. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 27 February 2018 14: 35
          +1
          They didn’t touch the Russians that day. Only the Armenians. And then there was Fergana.
      2. garnik
        garnik 27 February 2018 14: 12
        +2
        This is Baku in 1990, during the Armenian pogrom.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 27 February 2018 14: 37
          +2
          Armenikend (if someone says the name) at the end of 89goda was guarded as a military unit.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 27 February 2018 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Russians in Karabakh ..

        Alexei, what do you think ... why is the RUSSIAN written on the gate ???
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 27 February 2018 14: 56
          +5
          Alexei, what do you think ... why is the RUSSIAN written on the gate ???

          I have not been to KARABAKH ... I can not say for sure what ... perhaps they hoped that the crowd of thugs would not touch.
          I was on a business trip in Azerbaijan at that time ... talked with the local people ... quite friendly people ... I can not believe in the cruelty of ordinary Azerbaijanis ... there are always scoundrels (in any people) who are pushing people into war with each other .
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 February 2018 17: 03
            +4
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            . possibly hoped that the crowd of thugs would not touch.

            No, Alexey. not possible. but for sure! The inscription is made in Russian. not in Armenian. not in Azerbaijani. and in Russian! The same inscriptions were in Ferghana and in Osh. Houses with this inscription did not touch!
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 27 February 2018 23: 15
            +3
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            quite friendly people ... I can’t believe the cruelty of ordinary Azerbaijanis ..

            Features of the Muslim mentality ... As one old Bulgarian said: "there is no neighbor better than the Turks - but only until the moment when he is called under the green banner of Islam!" Those Russians who survived the events in Ferghana were especially shocked at the fact that they were killed by neighbors, with whom they had lived soul to soul for decades.
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    4. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 27 February 2018 14: 00
      +7
      I want to believe that we will not suffer tolerance.
      Only a unitary state is needed, preferably only with its own ethno-confessional environment.
      Or are there many who want to live with animals? It is a pity the censorship of the site will not miss a lot of capacious expressions.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 14: 25
        +4
        I have a garden neighbor, I fled from Kazakhstan ... says that I couldn’t live it anymore, I sold everything from Russophobia (I expressed it of course wrong) ... I had enough for the "guest room" and for a plot of 5 acres, I knew that it would be difficult , and his help from the earth ... two with his wife, for 60 already ...
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 27 February 2018 15: 15
        +4
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Only a unitary state is needed, preferably only with its own ethno-confessional environment.

        This is for ukroinu ... They are now creating this ..
        And Russia has always been famous for its tolerance for other religions and internationality ...
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Or are there many who want to live with animals?

        Judge not lest ye be judged... hi
      3. Usher
        Usher 27 February 2018 17: 42
        0
        the beast is only you.
    5. Serg65
      Serg65 27 February 2018 14: 48
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      all the morgues of the city of Dushanbe were crowded with the bodies of Russian people, for this reason additional field morgues were even organized.

      12 February 90 year killed 25 people including 16 Tajiks, 5 Russian, 2 Uzbek, Tatar and Azerbaijani !!!!!!
      But there were many wounded, yes! Moreover, half of the 565 people were Russian, but again Yurich, do not write off the estimate, at that time the Russians made up 70% of the population of Dushamba!
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      I don’t want to incite anything here, all the more so it’s just hard to believe

      Yes, you are already fueling !!!!
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      we are peaceful, but good memory

      laughing Is your memory good? Oh well!
      And if I tell you that in the pogroms in Dushanbe he organized the KGB of the USSR with comrades from the Politburo, then to whom will your memory turn to ????
    6. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 27 February 2018 15: 23
      +5
      You were there??? Have you seen it yourself?
      I have a wife from there ... Familiar with Dushanbe ... They told a lot, but I have not heard this ...
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      In mid-February 1990, national Islamists literally tore apart one and a half thousand Russian men and women in Dushanbe. Women under the roar of machine gun bursts and the roar of rapists were forced to undress and run in a circle on the square of the railway station.
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon 27 February 2018 20: 18
        +1
        My cousin and grandfather lived in Kulyab, after these events they sold the house, but they lived in it for another 3 years, the local, to whom they sold, didn’t even say a word against it: live as much as necessary, she was respected very locally (teacher of the Russian language), and my grandfather knew Tajik and Uzbek perfectly, even I still remember a little bit (I was visiting in 1989): hubsti; cheturesti; hey, bacha, indja bio; baamoni bad; thin hafiz ...
  3. Smoked
    Smoked 27 February 2018 13: 42
    +9
    Such events and benefits. When you see with your own eyes what nationalists can do, then you stop perceiving them as people. Regardless of the people, they are all ki.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 27 February 2018 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Smoked
      they are all ki.

      I know what you wrote good
      I, in this case, write, separated by a space wink
      Quote: Smoked
      When you see with your own eyes what nationalists can do, then you stop perceiving them as people. Regardless of the people

      Totally agree with you...
      86th year, December, Alma-Ata ... I wasn’t in the square .. But I observed some consequences, and communicated with the participants ...
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        1. Serg65
          Serg65 27 February 2018 17: 07
          +3
          Quote: Siban
          but I didn’t try to find out the reasons

          what But why?
          Quote: Siban
          Far away was in Almaty and from one woman listened

          and you were not surprised that the whole of Almaty after 27 years of independence speaks Russian?
        2. not main
          not main 27 February 2018 20: 44
          +1
          Quote: Siban
          It was the same as in 2006, August-September, in Kondopoga ..

          And why did Kondopoga be tied? Or simply when there is nothing to say, the children say: "he is like that." But the site is not children ... or children?
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            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 28 February 2018 03: 01
              +1
              So you slept lol
              Kazakhs, deeply parallel, how much GDP is in power ...
              They, the NAS themselves, have a "long-liver" ...
              Quote: Siban
              It is necessary to try very hard so that the Kazakhs -

              Grandmas, vodka and a glass of anasha, work wonders ... Raise
              "limit" from the region, with the relationships that were at that time in the YOUTH environment, you don’t need a lot of mind ...
              1. Siban
                Siban 1 March 2018 14: 43
                0
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                So you slept

                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Kazakhs, deeply parallel, how much GDP is in power ...
                As it were, yes, but events in Russia are inevitable, cannot but affect Kazakhstan and the Kazakhs.
                Of the latter, won’t even sell locomotives to Ukraine ..
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                They, the NAS themselves, have a "long-liver" ...
                Again, no matter how much the National Academy of Sciences does not swagger, soon one way or another will retire. Islam and Borya have already been waiting for him .. And you have problems - GDP seriously and for a long time. And the consequences of his reign will still affect - just as Gorbachev had to answer for Brezhnev’s actions. More precisely, his inaction.
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Grandmas, vodka and a glass of anasha, work wonders ... Raise
                "limit" from the area
                According to your scheme, Minin and Pozharsky with the militia also have a "limit" from the provincerepeat "Women, vodka, accordion and salmon .." laughing
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 1 March 2018 17: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Siban
                  According to your scheme, Minin and Pozharsky with the militia also have a "limit" from the province

                  So, you want to say that in December 86th there was a Kazakh militia on the square ??? lol
                  How old are you?? Year of birth, do not name ?? wink
            2. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 3 March 2018 18: 59
              0
              Do you remember the reason for the protest in 1986? How do I remember the replacement of the "national" chairman of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan Kunayev with Kolbin. And he was Russian
        3. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 27 February 2018 21: 40
          +3
          Quote: Siban
          allegedly in early childhood in Soviet Alma-Ata had to fight for the right to speak their native language.

          Storyteller laughing laughing
          In Soviet Alma-Ata, I had to fight for the "District" ... In addition, there were purely "Muslim" groups ... In which, for some reason, there were also Russians. wink
          Quote: Siban
          I did not try to find out the reasons ..

          I know them ... But, it’s useless to explain to you ... And Kondopoga, she wasn’t standing there. negative
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            1. Weyland
              Weyland 28 February 2018 22: 11
              +4
              Quote: Siban
              And the words "calbit", "mambet", "chirka", "chukmek" and other terminology of the British?!

              The Kazakhs have the name "Mambet" - a common people, approximately like the Russian "Vanya". And "kolbit" - lousy (apt. "A hand in the head") And in Almaty "mambets" and "kolbits" were called not Kazakhs in general, but aul Kazakhs (moreover, they also called urban Kazakhs) - this is how in Moscow they talked about the visitors "limit", "village", "collective farm".
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        4. Weyland
          Weyland 27 February 2018 23: 19
          +2
          Quote: Siban
          but I didn’t try to find out the reasons

          The reasons are simple - Nurik hoped to sit in the place of Kunaev, and Kolbin was appointed. Nurik muddied everything. Moreover, students of the law faculty and journalism department of the Kazakh State University took part in the rebellion - only “thieves” were taken to these faculties. For reference: I saw all these events with my own eyes - from New Square to the Kazakh Polytechnic, where I studied then, a little more than a kilometer.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 28 February 2018 02: 40
            +1
            Quote: Weyland
            Moreover, students of the law faculty and journalism department of Kazakh State University participated in the rebellion almost exclusively

            I disagree ... There were a lot of vocational schools, nonresident ... You saw the situation from the center ... And I, the consequences on the 1st Alma-Ata ...
            Quote: Weyland
            Nurik muddied everything.

            Again I do not agree .. At the National Academy of Sciences, at that time, the weight was not the same ... There was an "old" guard, troubled ..
            Nice to meet a fellow countryman hi
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 28 February 2018 22: 13
              +1
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              At ANAS, at that moment, the weight was not that ...

              Yes? And you remember what post he held then!
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 1 March 2018 00: 06
                +2
                Although, perhaps you are right ...
                I, then, was 10 years old ... I, more than what I saw with my own eyes, and according to the stories of the elders ... It seems to me that this saved Kazakhstan from the civil war in the 90s ...
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 1 March 2018 21: 05
                  0
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  It seems to me that this saved Kazakhstan from the civil war in the 90s ...

                  But it seems to me that if Humpback am had the courage of the National Academy of Sciences in 1987 to shoot, then in 1991 the EBN am with accomplices would sit like mice under a broom, and dare not think about the Belovezhsky conspiracy!
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 27 February 2018 13: 45
    +9
    The official results of the investigation of the events by the General Prosecutor's Office of the USSR: 26 dead - ethnic Armenians, 6 - Azerbaijanis.


    A purely ethnic conflict ... that has been going on for decades ... the Turks have nothing to do with it ... about 30 people have died on both sides.
    It is bad that the civilian population is suffering on both sides.
    War no matter what it is always bad and disgusting.

    1. garnik
      garnik 27 February 2018 14: 15
      +1
      Around this conflict, the interests of the Turks.
      1. Homeland
        Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 28
        +7
        garnik, you need to recover from turkophobia. Almost nothing, you immediately remember the Turks.
        1. garnik
          garnik 27 February 2018 22: 24
          +1
          Homeland
          That's when you recover from Armenianophobia, let's talk phobias.
          Try to bring Armenian cognac to your country. Or not an Armenian with a surname ending in Jan. (Moldova, Ukrainians).
          I always refrain from leaving comments first in sensitive topics, and afterwards I brush them off.
          1. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i 28 February 2018 09: 00
            +2
            Garnik - You have recently visited this site, so I’ll repeat specifically for you about cognac and “yang” at the end of the surname, here is the link - https://news.day.az/society/953246.html
            in short: "The scientist emphasized that during the period 1990-1995, 39.9% of citizens moved to Russia from the CIS and Baltic countries, and the number of migrants to these countries from Azerbaijan amounted to 61,6%:" Recently, there has been a noticeable decrease in the number leaving for Russia. At present, 120 thousand Russians live in Baku, in the republic this number is 140 thousand. The number of Armenians living in Baku is 20 thousand, in total 120 thousand Armenians live in the country. "
            in addition, here's another one: http://deyerler.org/en/109411-rrisr-ryisrrryorirs
            sryor-ri-rrryes-rsrsrryerr-risrrrs-srrssrrirsrrry
            os-rryosrrssryo-rrrsrrrrrrrrr.html
            a woman who has lived in Azerbaijan all her life has filed a lawsuit against the police department, which refused to issue her an identity card ending in YAN. The court recognized her right and all documents were issued.
            Now tell me how many Azerbaijanis live in Armenia? (as far as can be found on the Internet, Armenia is mono-ethnic - 98% are Armenians, only 2% are ALL other nations.)
            1. garnik
              garnik 28 February 2018 11: 01
              0
              All these figures and nothing with reality do not have. I didn’t enter the links. What are the statements at the next congress, the Sultan, about the designation of all Armenians of the world as enemies of Azerbaijanis.
              I can put back links.
              In fact, my wife’s aunt lives in Baku with a local husband. She hides her origin. Two daughters graduated with honors if their origin is found out. They left. One left for Constantinople (translator from English), it’s easier there.
              At the expense of the aunt who filed a lawsuit, they themselves admitted that it was far from the way you describe here. It would be better to return the documents for apartments left in Baku.
              1. kotdavin4i
                kotdavin4i 28 February 2018 11: 51
                +1
                And you think that no one knows about your wife’s aunt ??? Garnik well, don’t be more naive than a 3-year-old child, everyone knows everything perfectly and nobody has touched anyone for a long time. The fact that one of the daughters left for Istanbul shows that she went to look for the best salary, that's all. Many Azerbaijanis also leave for money - this is the norm throughout the world.
                And as for the court, no one refused the woman registration, they simply offered to slightly change the end of the surname to -ova, they did not deprive citizenship, they did not dismiss them from work. that's all...
                1. garnik
                  garnik 28 February 2018 12: 55
                  0
                  They know her surroundings, but then the problems begin. Even the wife and aunt speak, only in Russian, in Armenian is unsafe.
                  And as for the court, no one refused the woman registration, they simply offered to slightly change the end of the surname to -ova, they did not deprive citizenship, they did not dismiss them from work. that's all...

                  And as you imagine, this is tantamount to failure.
                  You want to say that a former resident of Baku, an Armenian, can freely enter the city? Only about 4 morons do not remember.
                  1. kotdavin4i
                    kotdavin4i 28 February 2018 19: 31
                    +1
                    Yes, ANY former resident of Baku - of Armenian nationality can safely come to Baku, and NOBODY will say anything to him.
                    1. garnik
                      garnik 28 February 2018 20: 43
                      -1
                      Yes, ANY former resident of Baku - of Armenian nationality can safely come to Baku, and NOBODY will say anything to him.

                      This is not true. There is no desire to seek evidence. You yourself know, but knowingly write a lie. It can be scanned with a surname on s if with a campaign and then in doubt. And this applies to citizens of the Russian Federation.
                      1. kotdavin4i
                        kotdavin4i 1 March 2018 08: 28
                        +1
                        Garnik, enough to live in a fantasy world, Armenians have been going to Baku for a long time as their dacha, albeit not with a passport of Armenia, with a passport of Russia or another country. And nothing, everyone is alive healthy.
                      2. genisis
                        genisis 6 March 2018 21: 49
                        0
                        Garnik, enough to live in a fantasy world, Armenians have been going to Baku for a long time as their dacha, albeit not with a passport of Armenia, with a passport of Russia or another country. And nothing, everyone is alive healthy.

                        cotdavinci
                        Very funny joke. You are there in Azerbaijan just live in your own world)))))
                        https://ru-antivisa.livejournal.com/1107936.html
                        https://regnum.ru/news/2296993.html
                        http://www.panarmenian.net/rus/news/231805/
                        https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/world/20180109/10095
                        277 / bakinskij-voyazh-azerbajdzhan-soschital-skolk
                        o-armyan-oblyubovali-ego-stolicu-v-2017.html
                        Before you lie, just google it "a Russian citizen was denied entry to Azerbaijan because of an Armenian surname"
                        Have you not banned Google in Azerbaijan yet? ))))
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 27 February 2018 17: 36
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Purely ethnic conflict

      And now, Alex. will be back at that time and look from the other side!
      Tbilisi 89-th, 1-th Secretary of the Central Committee Patiashvili removed.
      Baku 90-th ousted 1-th Secretary Vezirov.
      Dushamba 90-th shifted 1-th Secretary Makhkamov.
      Ferghana 89-th dismissed 1-th Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Uzbekistan Nishanov.
      Osh 90-th ousted 1-th Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kyrgyzstan Masaliev.
      Alma-Ata 86-th ousted 1-th Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan.
      Those. arranging provocations. Gorbachev and his accomplices Kryuchkov. Pugo. Yakovlev, Shevarnadze. Ligachev removed the disagreeable 1 secretaries of the Central Committee of the Union republics, while not disdaining human blood !!! I want to supplement in Uzbekistan. Gorbachev, with the hands of Gdlyan and Ivanov, demolished the entire party elite of the Communist Party of Uzbekistan. set Nishanov. but Nishanov opposed the collapse of the USSR for which he paid!
  5. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 27 February 2018 14: 00
    +1
    We were there (not only there). This could not be!
  6. Yeraz
    Yeraz 27 February 2018 14: 05
    +8
    Yes, it’s the land’s first ?? First, Azerbaijanis began to drive out of Armenia from Armenia in 1987 from Kafan.

    1. garnik
      garnik 27 February 2018 16: 00
      0
      And he says from the words of Azerbaijanis that no matter how he lived in the so-called Azerbaijan. What can you hear from him? Or will you show an article in a newspaper of those years, but not local?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 27 February 2018 18: 59
        +4
        Quote: garnik
        . What can you hear from him? Or will you show an article in a newspaper of those years, but not local?

        But I myself do not need him. My aunt from Kafan and I know very well when and how my relatives left the land. The first to leave my aunt and Kafan, and the last to leave were my Gokcha (Sevan).
        1. garnik
          garnik 28 February 2018 00: 08
          -1
          For Armenia, Kapan is the “end of geography” far from political passions. It is unlikely that they fled under duress, I do not believe it. I myself arrived in Armenia in 90 for permanent residence, according to the local there were attempts to thwart the grudge against local Azerbaijanis, but it did not go far beyond beating the men. Otherwise, they would write in the central newspapers.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 5 March 2018 00: 08
            +1
            Quote: garnik
            . I myself arrived in Armenia in 90 for permanent residence, according to the local there were attempts to thwart the grudge against local Azerbaijanis, but apart from the beating of men, the matter did not go far.

            I don’t need to tell tales. All of my relatives are from there and I know how everyone left, how there were beatings, people lost, how the district officers collected hunting rifles from people, and people tried to hide weapons (unless of course these old hunting weapons could be called weapons ) local detachments were created to guard on the evening around the villages of the zone, etc.
            1. genisis
              genisis 6 March 2018 21: 54
              -1
              don't tell me fairy tales

              You don’t tell tales. Kapan is the administrative center of the current Syunik marz of the Republic of Armenia, which includes my native Sisian. 4 km. from the city of Sisian, the Azerbaijani-populated village of Sheki is located. Azerbaijanis left it in September 1991. They left themselves, no one drove them out, no Armenians killed anyone. The houses are still empty, no one has settled in them. Until now, the whole, albeit neglected, is the Azerbaijani cemetery, graves and tombstones intact. I even have pictures of 2017. So tell about other Kaban refugees in 1987 to other shepherds in a teahouse.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 9 March 2018 00: 11
                +1
                Quote: genisis
                We left ourselves

                there were people in Ghafan and sharply decided to leave ?? So ??? Do you keep your tales for yourself. I come from the Iravan Khanate and go hang noodles to others and I don’t need to tell me how, in what circumstances and when the Azerbaijanis abruptly disappeared from territory of the current so-called armenia.
                The conversation is over.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 10 March 2018 11: 21
                  -1
                  I don’t know what kind of city Gafan is and when the Azerbaijanis disappeared from the Iravan khanate. I know that from the village of Sheki near Sisian, Azerbaijanis left 3,5 years after the cannibalistic bacchanalia of your fellow tribesmen in Sumgait, 1,5 years after the same Sabbath of nonhumans in Baku. They left alive, with all their belongings. The cemetery is still unharmed. From the fact that you seek to end the conversation, the truth will not be different.
      2. Homeland
        Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 25
        +4
        garnik, I already warned you. "T." is Armenia.
        1. garnik
          garnik 27 February 2018 22: 33
          0
          Homeland
          How many Azerbaijan can be? One, right. The province of Iran whose natural northern border is the Araks River ..
          And the rest is Fake.
          You look yourself in the mirror, and then warn. Choose the words.
          1. genisis
            genisis 27 February 2018 22: 41
            0
            “Everything in the Azerbaijan Republic was artificial,“ fake, ”starting with a name taken interchangeably from one of the provinces of Persia. The artificial territory that embraced Lezgi Zagatala, the Armenian-Tatar Baku and Elisavetpol (Ganja) provinces and Russian Mugan, and united by Turkish politics as an outpost of Pan-Turkism in the Caucasus. Artificial statehood. Finally, the Azerbaijani government artificially held on: initially - by the will of Nuri Pasha, then General Thomson and in the future - simply inertia. ”
            Anton Denikin "Essays on Russian Troubles"
            1. Homeland
              Homeland 28 February 2018 07: 43
              +3
              But did Denikin write about Turkic Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Altai, Crimea, Astrakhan ........ ??
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 27 February 2018 23: 22
            +1
            Quote: garnik
            How many Azerbaijan can be? One, right.

            In fact, now these are two ostans - Western and Eastern Azerbaijan. But that both of them are south of Araks is a fact!
            1. garnik
              garnik 28 February 2018 00: 18
              0
              In fact, now these are two ostans - Western and Eastern Azerbaijan. But that both of them are south of Araks is a fact!

              Yes, they plan to make from Western Azerbaijan, Northern Kurdistan. They probably want to give the historical name to their northern neighbor so that they don’t lay eyes on their land.
          3. Homeland
            Homeland 28 February 2018 07: 33
            +1
            Azerbaijan is a single state in the Caucasus. And Armenia (western, eastern, Turkish, small, great, long-suffering, etc.) is mythical virtuality. Stop dreaming ...
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 1 March 2018 21: 09
              +2
              Armenia is a single state in Transcaucasia. And Azerbaijan (western and eastern) is two ostanes in Iran. Stop dreaming ...
  7. Yeraz
    Yeraz 27 February 2018 14: 07
    +13
    And the site remembered about Sumgayit, but did not remember about Khojaly.

    1. Same lech
      Same lech 27 February 2018 14: 26
      +6
      Gorbachev’s glasnost policy in the Caucasus led to sad consequences ... it was necessary to stop the manifestations of this conflict in the bud by isolating the pogrom instigators and mobilizing representatives of all the involved nations for negotiations ... first of all, it was necessary to clean up the party elite of Armenia and Azerbaijan ... but Gorbachev lived in his virtual world, he did not see the upcoming tragedy of the peoples in the Caucasus ... as well as the whole USSR.
      Then the whole Caucasus flared up ... mother died with her scythe across all the peoples living in this region.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 14: 27
      +2
      ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... do not fight.
    3. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx 27 February 2018 15: 15
      +7
      Of course they did not remember. And why?
      It is time to understand already Russians consider their partners to be Armenians, they will always fence them off.
      The Russian government wants and maneuvers in this matter, and the Russian people themselves will always be for the Armenians. The leadership of the forum, including the participants, cannot be trusted in any other way.
      Everyone in the Caucasus, all the peoples of the Caucasus cannot be trusted except Armenians. The Armenians have earned this trust for more than one century. Always in the entire history of the Caucasus, every time the foot of a Russian soldier stepped in, the Armenians helped them while other nations resisted.
      Yes, I almost forgot, at the household level, Russians are against all the nations inhabiting the Caucasus, it’s worth only once to be in the Russian Federation to understand this and the Armenians also feel it on themselves.
      I even sympathize with the Armenians in this matter, I sympathize with all non-Russian Caucasian appearance living there by will or captivity, being a citizen. It is difficult to be part of a society where you will always be not your own, a stranger because of appearance. It is difficult to have the citizenship of a country where for the titular nation you are a stranger. I know this, I, too, living among the Az-tsev, not being an Az-ce, felt this to some extent, in political debates on the network. But in real life it is very rare, only a couple of times, and then only 4 out of 5 az-tsev would support me if there was an insult against me on nat. So far. It is about Baku, all the same Baku is a city that has such street laws that people who do not live here cannot understand.
      And in Russia, it’s as if you didn’t behave yourself, you’re a stranger if you have gained respect in the team, you can be an exception. But at the bus stop, in the store and everywhere you feel different attitude, attitude towards a stranger. Arriving from there, Russians became strangers to me, I just started to divide them into our Russians, my teachers, neighbors, etc. And into those whom I will never count for mine!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 27 February 2018 15: 39
        +5
        And in Russia, it’s as if you didn’t behave yourself, you’re a stranger if you have gained respect in the team, you can be an exception. But at the bus stop, in the store and everywhere you feel different attitude, attitude towards a stranger. Arriving from there, Russians became strangers to me, I just started to divide them into our Russians, my teachers, neighbors, etc. And into those whom I will never count for mine!

        Thanks for the revelations ...
        but I’ll tell you so ... I talked with both Armenians and Azerbaijanis and Tajiks and Uzbeks ... etc.
        so some of them in my heart are more Russian than some Russians in my midst (which I can’t even consider for people ... by purely moral qualities).
        The attitude towards dzhigits from the Caucasus began to change after the well-known events in the Caucasus when the mass killings of the Russian population started ... when we constantly saw crimes and threats against the Russian People on TV screens and newspapers ... for me it was a shock.
        Naturally, after that I began to rethink the so-called internationalism and the friendship of peoples.
        We didn’t start it ... everyone wanted to live separately in their national apartments ... preferably without a neighbor of a different nationality in the next room.
        Now we can recognize the policy of the leadership of the USSR to gather all peoples under one wing crashed ... Babylon collapsed in one piece, burying under itself the ideas of equality, fraternity and friendship of peoples.
        Well then, more than one century or millennium must pass when the human community again comes to the need to unite all peoples in the face of advancing natural disasters and catastrophes ... alone we can not survive them.
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 27 February 2018 16: 14
          +5
          And thank you for your frankness.
      2. Spike Javelin Touvich
        Spike Javelin Touvich 27 February 2018 15: 44
        +9
        Thank you for the truth and now imagine how Israeli citizens feel here when you consider that a good half of the site is anti-Semitic
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 27 February 2018 15: 49
          +7
          Israeli citizens feel when you consider that a good half of the site is anti-Semitic


          Citizens of Israel themselves give a reason for this ... I went to some forums and sites of Israel ... my mother does not grieve ... that I just didn’t find out about the Russians there ... as soon as they did not blaspheme them ... go read for educational program.
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 27 February 2018 16: 42
            +5
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Citizens of Israel themselves give a reason for this ... I went to some forums and sites of Israel ... my mother does not grieve ... that I just didn’t find out about the Russians there ... as soon as they did not blaspheme them ... go read for educational program.

            Does it surprise you that this has turned into a trend?
            Balts, Jews, Az-tsi, Georgians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Taj
            Iki, Uzbeks and even sometimes Armenian forums. These are former compatriots and I’ll even add to you, the congestion on the forums of the North Caucasian peoples too. What do they say on their communities on the networks? They read in Russian. And this is not casual oh how not casual, on those forums there are old-timers who are for you. But their ratio is smaller every year.
            In the words of Comrade Stalin, only Russian should fight Russian chauvinism, and only Tatar only, and so on. And if the Tatar undertakes to fight Russian chauvinism, it will be evaluated as Tatar chauvinism against Russians and vice versa.
            I don’t know who the State Department or your authorities, or our or the leaders in the media, whoever was to blame, they got their way!
        2. Usher
          Usher 27 February 2018 17: 45
          0
          Lol, there is no smoke without fire.
        3. Cheldon
          Cheldon 27 February 2018 20: 30
          0
          Yes, they feel fine, they have been experiencing all this for more than 2000 years, so they are so nervous. They have immunity at the genetic level built on this. Therefore, Israel is so passionately defended because they know that anything can be in a foreign land: they can kiss on the lips for a hundred years, and arrange a pogrom for the first hundred.
      3. avt
        avt 27 February 2018 16: 02
        +5
        Quote: Lek38
        And in Russia, as if you weren’t behaving, you are a stranger if you have gained respect in the team, you can be an exception. But at the bus stop, in the store and everywhere you feel a different attitude towards you, a stranger

        bully And how did you want!? To come from an ancient, independent mono-national republic to independent Russia and .... mine is mine, is mine mine too? bully But do not crack across the face, or along? The USSR has already died since 1991, all-yo-yo-yo. Imperial phantom pains? Well, the assignee of the USSR is again Russia, and not like any of the ancient, great, independent states.
        Quote: Lek38
        And on those whom I will never count for mine!

        bully
        Don’t grind your teeth at me. You erase them even to the roots. To me on your creak - pah and grind.
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 27 February 2018 16: 13
          +4
          Quote: avt
          And how did you want!? To come from an ancient, independent mono-national republic to independent Russia and .... mine is mine, is mine mine too? But do not crack across the face, or along? The USSR has already died since 1991, all-yo-yo-yo. Imperial phantom pains? Well, the assignee of the USSR is again Russia, and not like any of the ancient, great, independent states.

          I don’t need to go far)) A typical Ivanushka read my comment and managed to give out a “mono-national republic.” He gave it away, apparently the organ with which he read junk.
          And then it’s not related at all to my words or the topic of the word at all.
          I read like my comment in which the speech and the Russians of other nationalities.
          A typical representative of the malvaceae)))
          1. avt
            avt 27 February 2018 17: 02
            +4
            Quote: Lek38
            You don’t need to go far))

            Why, Mom, should I go somewhere? I'm at home, it's you who are at a party.
            Quote: Lek38
            A typical representative of the malvaceae)))
            who comes and wants to live according to the principle described in the saying
            Put the pig at the table, she and her legs on the table
          2. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 3 March 2018 19: 17
            +1
            In 1988-1989, by the nature of the service, I had to visit both Armenia and Azerbaijan. And the opinion was beating like that. Armenians are war. Azerbaijanis are traders. Forgive me.
      4. Ural resident
        Ural resident 27 February 2018 17: 13
        +4
        You are fundamentally wrong, which Russians supported the Armenians? I personally don’t care with whom to communicate, I had good relations with representatives of all nationalities. But friendship should be mutual. If I come to another republic, I try not to offend the national feelings of the people living there. If you can’t talk with women, don’t talk, you need to read the elders, I read. But of course I demand the same attitude of visitors in my house. I agree different people - maybe not the best representatives of “friends”, traders, crime and so on come to us, but when rudeness, harassment of women, insults of my nationality begin, then forgive me - what a hello this is and the answer. At one time, street trading flourished and honestly fed up with the disgrace to watch every day. Now they ousted everyone - it became normal. Before sending their relatives to visit us, representatives of the “hot” nations should explain how to behave so as not to offend the feelings of those living here. And often, many people come just to browse.
        1. Homeland
          Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 17
          +3
          A resident of the Urals, I agree with you.
      5. Stiletto_711
        Stiletto_711 27 February 2018 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: Lek38
        I sympathize with all non-Russian Caucasian appearance living there by will or captivity, being a citizen. It is difficult to be part of a society where you will always be not your own, a stranger because of your appearance

        crying Straight to tears ... Drive sick, to home, to your native villages and villages! Following the song of the group "Leningrad" - "Road" yes
      6. Weyland
        Weyland 27 February 2018 23: 25
        +3
        Quote: Lek38
        Always in the entire history of the Caucasus, every time the foot of a Russian soldier entered, the Armenians helped them while other peoples resisted

        Is it written in your history textbooks? Kabarda voluntarily joined Russia under Ivan the Terrible (who married the daughter of the Kabardian prince Temryuk). Ossetia, Georgia and part of Dagestan also joined voluntarily. But with the rest - yes, I had to fight - solely because of their constant raids for slaves!
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 3 March 2018 20: 58
          0
          Quote: Weyland
          Quote: Lek38
          Always in the entire history of the Caucasus, every time the foot of a Russian soldier entered, the Armenians helped them while other peoples resisted

          Is it written in your history textbooks? Kabarda voluntarily joined Russia under Ivan the Terrible (who married the daughter of the Kabardian prince Temryuk). Ossetia, Georgia and part of Dagestan also joined voluntarily. But with the rest - yes, I had to fight - solely because of their constant raids for slaves!

          Yes, of course, the Caucasian war was a "liberation" war, liberated Caucasians from Caucasians, as it is written in the books of the history of the Russian Federation. You’ll talk this nonsense in the schools of the Russian Federation, but not to me. There is no Dagestan and the Dagestan people, there is no more Dagestan republic within the Russian Federation no less.
          1. genisis
            genisis 6 March 2018 21: 57
            0
            There is no Dagestan and the Dagestan people, there is a Dagestan republic within the Russian Federation no more no less.

            The Dagestan peoples: Lezghins, Avars, Kumyks living in the Russian Federation have a thousand rights to their own national identity than their Azerbaijani counterparts.
    4. garnik
      garnik 27 February 2018 16: 43
      +2
      Yeraz
      Colorfully decorated.
      I wanted to give a link, you do not know what to insert, "sea". There are videos of Mustafayev, your fellow countryman, shedding light on these events. And who was killed so that he spoke little, the truth is presented that the Armenians tried.
      A group of refugees with retreating military reached the city of Agdam (Akna), but they were met by fire in about 800 meters, the group leaders decided to get around the more by radio they were given to go to the village of Nakhichevannik, supposedly recaptured from the Armenians. Directly in front of the positions of the Armenian checkpoints of Nakhichevanik, no more than 200 people died, despite the fact that there were civilians who attacked the Armenian checkpoint in order to get through, they even managed to take one block post. .
      Mustafayev was at the scene the next day (under control at that time, Baku, and recorded everything, the next day he was stupefied seeing twice as many corpses, some were disfigured. (Transported from under Agdam)
      Let me remind you about 2 dozen hostages of Armenians were in this group of refugees, most likely their bodies were disfigured so that they could not identify.
      If the Armenians did this, they would clean up after themselves. AND
      This territory was controlled by the Azerbaijani formations.
      I will not list the villages where your riot police raged. This is no longer interesting to anyone.
      This year, something quietly passed memories, not really come to their senses.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 27 February 2018 19: 04
        +6
        Quote: garnik
        If the Armenians did this, they would clean up after themselves.

        Serzh Sargsyan boasted before British journalist Tom de Waal about the Khojaly tragedy: “Before Khojaly, Azerbaijanis thought that we could make jokes with us, they thought that the Armenians were not able to raise a hand on the civilian population. We managed to break this [stereotype]. That's what happened ... ". (Tom de Waal, Black Garden, Air Force).
        Everything else is fiction.
        1. garnik
          garnik 27 February 2018 22: 51
          +1
          I do not try to make Armenians holy, they are also mortal people.
          You always write out those quotes from the book of Tom de Waal, where he does not flatteringly speak about the actions of the Armenians, but he is silent about the Azerbaijanis, although there are many of them.
          You arrived in Artsy with weapons and until the Armenians stopped you, you brought a lot of grief to the locals. Or didn’t you touch the residents of the villages that you occupied at the beginning of the confrontation? And what did you want from the Armenians, humility?
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 27 February 2018 23: 29
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          Tom de Waal, Black Garden, Air Force)

          Thomas de Waal is a journalist, and that’s it. Does he have evidence - at least a tape recording?

          - Do you know how to lie? the major asked me.
          - You better know: it's my profession! I answered
          (this is a quote from the story of R. Kipling - he began as a journalist)
      2. genisis
        genisis 27 February 2018 21: 54
        +1
        This year, something quietly passed memories, not really come to their senses.

        Garnik, just the oil manats are over. And for free, the Khojaly brand does not want to promote public relations.
  8. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 27 February 2018 15: 30
    +6
    Quote: sefevi
    And it’s weak to write that if the union leadership fulfilled its duties on time, it would have stopped the separatist tendencies in Karabakh and in Armenia itself, then there would be no further escalation of violence!

    It would be strange to expect from colleagues from Az.R. any other comments: the Armenians and the Russians themselves are to blame for the fact that the mob with axes and sharpened armature, instigated by the Azerbaijani intelligentsia, organized a pogrom.

    Typical logic from Baku. Well, why be surprised if cowardly ruffians like Ramil Safarov, who meanly killed the sleeping (!) Armenian officer Gurgen Markaryan during the course of military translators on the NATO Partnership for Peace program, are raised to the rank of a national hero. A Hungarian court sentenced him to life, but after 8 years he was bought out of Baku when he acquired a bunch of Hungarian government bonds. Upon arrival, Safarov, who was greeted as a national hero, was paid a salary for 8 years, was awarded another military rank and presented an apartment.

    Now compare with the heroization of Bandera and Shukhevych and find 10 differences.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 27 February 2018 15: 57
      +5
      It would be strange to expect from colleagues from Az.R. any other comments: Armenians and Russians themselves are to blame


      You know ... in 1977 there was a series of terrorist attacks in the Moscow metro ...
      the main organizer and leader of the attacks was Stepan Zatikyan, Stepanyan and Baghdasaryan - their direct executors.
      During interrogations, Stepanyan and Baghdasaryan stated that they were intimidated by Zatikyan, who, sitting in prison, “moved” on the idea of ​​nationalism and insisted that the Russians should be punished for oppressing the Armenian people ...
      these are the Armenians ...
      and there are other Armenians ...
      Shavarsh Vladimir Karapetyan May 19, 1953, Vanadzor, Armenian SSR, USSR) - Soviet athlete in the field of scuba diving, 11-time world record holder, 13-time European champion, seven-time USSR champion ...
      he saved 46 people from death.
      Such a thing ... some Armenians are killing ... while others are saving people.
      There are similar people among Azerbaijanis and Russians ... what in general, not everything is so simple.
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    3. Homeland
      Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 14
      +3
      You are talking about the heroization of the Armenian fascist Nzhdeh, who, in Yerevan, recently erected a monument for some reason, have forgotten.
      1. garnik
        garnik 27 February 2018 23: 12
        +1
        Homeland.
        I will not write much, anyway, everyone will remain in their own opinion. Nje arbitrarily came to Tolbukhin’s headquarters. He was arrested, the main point of charge, the shooting of 400 captured Red Army soldiers. According to Nzhdeh, the prisoners were disguised as Turks from the Zaval Pasha detachment. This is the time when Nzhdeh stopped the joint grouping of the Bolsheviks and Turks and saved Zangezur. He died in prison. Twice he was driven by car around building Yerevan, at his request.
        Now think about what would threaten the accomplice of the Nazis.
        1. Homeland
          Homeland 28 February 2018 07: 55
          +1
          garnik,

          You are again about the Turks.
          “According to Nzhdeh, the prisoners were disguised as Turks from the Zaval Pasha detachment.” Already funny ...
          You and Nzhdeh have the same train of thought. You still say that Hitler was also a Turk.
  9. Yujanin.
    Yujanin. 27 February 2018 15: 43
    +5
    Interestingly, in the investigative materials, the main organizer of the Sumgayit events is the Armenian Eduard Robertovich Grigoryan, born in 1959.



    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich 27 February 2018 16: 03
      +5
      Eduard robertovich Grigoryan now lives in Moscow in Sergiev Posad

      Here is a link for anyone interested
      https://news.day.az/politics/749949.html
      1. garnik
        garnik 27 February 2018 18: 31
        -1
        And what is not awarded? Well, thanks at least they didn’t shoot me as one of the organizers of the Sumgayit events, or you have a scapegoat for you to show the world. You must erect a monument to him during his lifetime, few were bothered to send as many Armenians to the next world. What can you say, and your elite recalls this on every corner.
        1. Homeland
          Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 07
          +5
          He was taken by the Prosecutor General of the USSR to Moscow.
      2. genisis
        genisis 27 February 2018 21: 58
        0
        Here is a link for anyone interested

        No one is interested.
      3. genisis
        genisis 27 February 2018 22: 28
        0
        Link lover))
        http://karabakhrecords.info/documents_court_diary
        -sumgayit.html
    2. genisis
      genisis 27 February 2018 22: 48
      +2
      Interestingly, in the investigative materials, the main organizer of the Sumgayit events is the Armenian Eduard Robertovich Grigoryan, born in 1959.

      Interestingly, everyone can easily find on the Internet criminal case materials on the events in Sumgait, court sentences of more than 80 Azerbaijani animals participating in the events, the sentence of the Supreme Court, according to which Akhmedov was recognized as the organizer and shot, and his accomplices Ismailov and Jafarov were given large terms, and only in Azerbaijan are firmly convinced that he organized and killed everyone Grigoryan))))
      Do you just like to fool yourself?
  10. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 February 2018 15: 59
    +2
    There was no right in that conflict. And when the first blood was shed, no one understood, they cut everything and everyone. The accumulated degree of hatred and irritation spilled out like this. Indeed, the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster for all its peoples. That's why I say now. In our current Russian society, this very degree is off the charts and how it will pour out and against whom is unknown.
  11. evil partisan
    evil partisan 27 February 2018 17: 51
    +4
    I had a group of Armenians in EVAKU. According to them: there were no less than 500 dead in Sumgait. Even if they were exaggerating, but the score was definitely going to several tens, or even hundreds. By and large, everything began in Sumgayit in the USSR. In the sense of wars. At the end of 1988 in Sverdlovsk I watched 2 documentaries about Sumgait: one was brought by the Armenians, the other by the Azerbaijanis. It was impossible to bear anything worthwhile from the films for oneself - emotions and filming of VVshnikov from the RSFSR alone. A friend (foreman of the special battalion of the Ministry of Internal Affairs) at that time was somewhere there. He told me that the Armenians were taken by bus from a village, and the Azerbaijanis blocked the convoy and rushed to it. So he told me that they, together with the Armenians, fought hand-to-hand combat with the crowd for about 5-6 hours until VVshniki came to their aid. He told: he thought that everything ... True, he said, they did not shoot.
    1. Homeland
      Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 51
      +5
      What hundreds ????? There was only a gang of Grigoryan, she worked only in the city center (3rd microdistrict, 34th quarter). Everything happened in the daytime, only 30-35 apartments were bypassed. You at least ask the Russian residents of Sumgait. They also watched these events. For some reason, Russian readers of the site more likely believe the Armenian instigators than the Russians from Sumgait. There are several thousand of them living there. Some kind of paradox.
      1. genisis
        genisis 27 February 2018 22: 44
        0
        There was only a gang of Grigoryan

        Shot, as the instigator, Akhmedov. Ismailov and Jafarov were involved in the case. A total of 89 non-human Azerbaijanis were convicted.
        Provide links to criminal cases?
        But you yourself know everything already.
        Pretend to be a sheep ...
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 28 February 2018 04: 51
          +2
          It was necessary not to shoot, but to hang on TV, and not just one but all 100. Then everything would immediately return to normal.
      2. garnik
        garnik 27 February 2018 23: 41
        0
        Homeland.
        And you are such a cynic.
        They believe the truth. According to the same Russian.
        http://nashasreda.ru/reznya-v-sumgaite-fakty-i-is
        kazheniya /
        read.
  12. 23424636
    23424636 27 February 2018 18: 24
    +5
    I was in Baku at that time. They put the production line at the Kirov plant and azerbots started to go stupid and did not pay 2.5 million Soviet rubles. I went to all garbage dumps of PIB SovMin Central Committee everywhere completely neglected. Then the bank operators accepted payment orders with 10 rubles in cash .for postings, otherwise take a walk. In the parking lot in front of the airport, hundreds of new Volga without numbers are supposedly a warehouse, and we have changed the old and the new pivots for taxi drivers in Sochi for the director (factory of 5 thousand people). I felt something was wrong when the PIB head bank with me guarded 3 people while negotiating. I told him - why is this circus, and he, is so customary for us. Then Silaev was Ryzhkov’s deputy and chairman of the service station group (labor and defense council). He pulled to the station — no tickets in 45 days, to the airport, and before the departure he grabbed the last ticket for armor. And I look — black people go and watch passengers that are resting, gloomy and the wicked in the army, knowing them, realized that they were starting up from under the silence, I think I escaped because upon arrival I sent a "cart" to Silaev to scum who broke the government supplies and grandmas immediately paid.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 27 February 2018 19: 06
      +6
      Quote: 23424636
      azerbots

      admins read the rules about a ban.
  13. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 27 February 2018 20: 09
    +4
    The opinion of the Armenian is interesting, moreover, Ashot Manucharyan, informed and standing at the origins of the separatist movement in Nagorno-Karabakh: “Some KGB leaders saw that Gorbachev was implementing reforms. And they considered these reforms dangerous for the country. In order to force Gorbachev to stop, the KGB, or its individual representatives, organized ethnic clashes to show Gorbachev what his reforms could lead to and that he stopped them. First, ethnic clashes were organized in Central Asia, and in 1988 Sumgait was organized. The KGB probably thought that all this could be controlled, and that the number of people involved in this would not exceed several thousand. But further processes became uncontrollable, they involved hundreds of thousands of people, and instead of slowing down or preventing the collapse of the USSR, they played the role of an accelerator. ”
    Source: http: //southcaucasus.com/index.php? P = ave
    tisbabajanyan
    Alternatively, there is an opinion in Azerbaijan that the Sumgayit events were inspired by the Armenian lobby. In particular, media journalists, mainly Western ones, who filmed the events there, arrived in Sumgait before the clashes. These events became a powerful propaganda weapon in the hands of the Armenian separatists directed against Baku. They had an almost decisive influence on world public opinion, as a result of which, at the beginning of the well-known events, Baku remained completely alone. The participation of ethnic Armenians, for example E. Grigoryan, in crimes against the Armenians themselves in Sumgait only reinforced this opinion that it could not have done without the participation of the Armenian lobby, including in the interests of Western intelligence agencies to escalate interethnic clashes, a ghost to the point of no return and the beginning accelerated collapse of the USSR.
  14. Separ
    Separ 27 February 2018 20: 30
    +2
    Quote: Separ
    Non-Russians always (and even now) perceive our kindness as weakness, and this is why all our problems come from it - but they have no problems.

    "Muscovites" go to work ..
  15. Homeland
    Homeland 27 February 2018 20: 33
    +5
    Then someone asks someone, saying, "Have you been there?" Yes, I was there, I am from Sumgait, a living witness to these events, and I know what happened there best of all.
    A few days before these events, my classmates and school teachers, Armenians, stopped coming to school. I can even name the teachers: Grigoryan Garik Borisovich, Yavriyan Albina Napoleonovna, Seda Galustovna. All of them were members of the Krunk Society. We were told that this society is called “Karabakh.” The purpose of this society was to separate Karabakh from Azerbaijan. They are members of society, they left the city in advance. All killed Armenians are those who did not belong to Krunk and did not pay dues. Of course, they are not wine people. But for the Armenian nationalists, they were traitors. Many Azerbaijanis, risking their lives, hid the Armenians, their neighbors in their apartment. The slain Armenians were doomed to death. The leader of the gang of murderers Edik Grigoryan drove his gang to the apartments of the Armenians from a pre-prepared list with addresses. He didn’t kill the Armenians himself, but he also ordered his bandits how to kill this or that Armenian. The Armenians, members of society, returned when the USSR Internal Troops were introduced into the city,
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 27 February 2018 21: 15
      +4
      Quote: Homeland
      A living witness to these events.

      Such a maxim, like: "Lying like a witness," you know (you know! wink )?
      Not even a maxim, but a completely ordinary everyday behavioral reaction described in many psychology textbooks?
      1. Homeland
        Homeland 27 February 2018 21: 40
        +3
        Angry Partizan, do you (you) hear the truth is unpleasant ???? You (you) are evil, it’s for you (you) psychology textbooks to be considered if the truth is pricking your eyes. What did I lie ???
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 27 February 2018 21: 54
          +2
          Quote: Homeland
          What am I lying?

          As a person, nothing. request
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          "Lying like a witness"
          - read, let go.
          Yes. And do not confuse: lies and "Lies like a witness."
        2. evil partisan
          evil partisan 27 February 2018 22: 00
          +4
          Quote: Homeland
          do you (you) hear the truth is unpleasant ????

          At that time (1988), I had 2 truths: from both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. You understand: truths from these 2 truths can not be extracted ... request
          That’s the whole conversation. And so, in the end: how many Armenians remained in Sumgait after 1988-89? More or less than before 1988? That’s the whole answer to the question: who is the affected party?
          1. Homeland
            Homeland 27 February 2018 22: 35
            +4
            1. After 1989, there were as many Armenians in Sumgait as there were Azerbaijanis in all (!) Armenia after 1988.
            2. I wrote, "All the murdered Armenians are those who were not members of Krunk and did not pay dues. Of course, they are not wine people. But for the Armenian nationalists, they were traitors." In the short term, the victims were Sumgayit Armenians who did not pay Krunk to society. In the long run, Azerbaijan turned out to be the victim, from which Karabakh was taken away under the pretext of the impossibility of living together between Armenians and Azerbaijanis. This was the main goal of organizing the Sumgayit events by the Armenian nationalists.
            1. genisis
              genisis 27 February 2018 22: 50
              +1
              1. After 1989, there were as many Armenians in Sumgait as there were Azerbaijanis in all (!) Armenia after 1988.

              Heydar Baba bequeathed to you a universal figure. Just say: "30000 Armenians in Baku / Sumgait / Azerbaijan / my village / ...")))))))
            2. evil partisan
              evil partisan 28 February 2018 00: 01
              +3
              Quote: Homeland
              After 1989, there are as many Armenians in Sumgait as there are Azerbaijanis in all (!) Armenia after 1988.

              Those. something near zero? Bunches of anger rose precisely in Sumgait. And not the Armenians raised them. At least for the reasons that they were a minority there.
        3. evil partisan
          evil partisan 27 February 2018 22: 05
          +2
          Yes. By the way. I’m still friends with Azerbaijanis. More precisely: he was friends. And they played football together: both FOR and CON. True, the connections were lost: you won’t worry a lot about the current work ... I love Mugham very much. yes
    2. genisis
      genisis 27 February 2018 22: 09
      +5
      The leader of the gang of murderers Edik Grigoryan drove his gang to the apartments of the Armenians from a pre-prepared list with addresses. He didn’t kill the Armenians himself, but he also ordered his bandits how to kill this or that Armenian.

      Do you know why no one believes in the Azerbaijani version of events?
      Because you are lying extremely stupid all the time. For shepherds in teahouses, your options are rolled with a bang. But for people who have a brain, the value of your bullshit is immediately visible.
      Grigoryan was not charged with any murder. The materials of the case against him and 8 of his accomplices of Azerbaijanis were posted on the network by your Azerbaijani investigator.
      But Akhmedov, for example, was shot as an organizer.
      Together with him, Ismailov and Jafarov were involved in the case.
      Give a link or find yourself?
      C'mon, get pissed off. You really are proud of these scum.
      You have a poster in honor: "Freedom to the heroes of Sumgait."
      Your heroes: Akhmedov, Safarov, Kamalov, Tagiyev and others - murderers, rapists, cutters, they are all famous in Azerbaijan, like real heroes, because that’s what heroism is in your understanding.
      1. Homeland
        Homeland 27 February 2018 22: 58
        +4
        genisis, 1. Chobany, like your shepherds, do not sit in teahouses and are not interested in politics. 2. We do not run nonsense on the network, but tell the truth. You do not have to like it. 3. How can the Prosecutor General’s Office of a country led by Gorbachev, who committed such a tragedy, accuse the bandit-Armenian Grigoryan of deliberate killings of Armenians on ethnic grounds ?? Gorbachev and his team tried in every possible way to present the events in Sumgait as hooligan pogroms by the Azerbaijanis, and not a staged performance organized by the Armenian nationalists for the world community. 4. We are not stooped and not proud of scum. And we do not have the poster “Freedom to the heroes of Sumgait”
        1. genisis
          genisis 28 February 2018 00: 36
          +1
          In your language there is no such concept as “Motherland”, but only “mother-yurt”.
          But essentially, on yug - this is there ...
          1. Homeland
            Homeland 28 February 2018 08: 09
            +1
            I don’t know what language you got your mother-yurt from, and in Azerbaijan, the Motherland is Veten (emphasis on the second syllable).
    3. garnik
      garnik 27 February 2018 23: 46
      +2
      Homeland.
      Chtol drove.
  16. Georges Pompidou
    Georges Pompidou 27 February 2018 21: 56
    0
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    . possibly hoped that the crowd of thugs would not touch.

    No, Alexey. not possible. but for sure! The inscription is made in Russian. not in Armenian. not in Azerbaijani. and in Russian! The same inscriptions were in Ferghana and in Osh. Houses with this inscription did not touch!

    And we know what we touched!
  17. skeptic31
    skeptic31 27 February 2018 23: 00
    +2
    It is not that simple. Rumors, of course, played a role, but there were objective reasons. The fact is that in the 70-80 years in the national republics of the Soviet Union began the long-awaited process of resettlement of indigenous peoples in cities. Prior to this, all major cities were international in spirit and composition. They relocated mainly to new suburbs, where mass construction was launched. It was precisely such a suburb that Sumgayit was, the vast majority of the population of which were Azerbaijanis. At the same time, these were mainly former rural residents with their own subculture. Interethnic relations in the Union were a closed topic, and what could end such a rapid change in national composition, no one knew. Meanwhile, it was the rural inhabitants, with the exception of a certain circle of national intelligentsia, in all the republics who were most struck by the spirit of nationalism. This was due to both a low level of education, with poor or no knowledge of the Russian language, and the presence of certain ideas and attitudes towards representatives of other nationalities. By the way, to my own too. Not without reason, a significant part of the inhabitants of Baku after these events and the processes of dispersal of the republics that began began to live in Russia. Heydar Aliyev specially came to Moscow, given the departure of a large part of the professional strata, and asked them to return, promising the golden mountains, but they did not believe him. The same thing happened in all other republics of the Caucasus and Central Asia. Almost nothing was written about the true views of these new townspeople, hence the shock after the events in Sumgait, but in reality this could happen and was happening almost everywhere. In this regard, neither Georgians, nor Armenians, nor Kazakhs, nor Tajiks, nor Kyrgyz, nor Uzbeks are any better.
  18. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 27 February 2018 23: 00
    +2
    Quote: Homeland
    You are talking about the heroization of the Armenian fascist Nzhdeh, who, in Yerevan, recently erected a monument for some reason, have forgotten.

    Thu! Tightened mughamchik on the topic Nzhdeh? So agree on why: because he nibbled the tail in Zangezur to the Musavatistical earhooks and thereby leaving this region as part of Armenia.

    In Soviet times, when Garegin Nzhdeh was under investigation, he no one ever imputed cooperation with the Nazis, it exists only in the inflamed imagination of Baku propagandists, The Soviet investigation beat precisely anti-Soviet activities in Armenia. In addition, Nzhdeh was not officially convicted, since he died before the end of the investigation in the Vladimir Central from old wounds that he received in the military field, for which he was awarded the title of National Hero of the Armenian and Bulgarian peoples! On this basis, he was denied rehabilitation by the decision of the Supreme Court of Russia, since there were no grounds for rehabilitation because of the lack of a criminal record.

    And all this does not justify your mean and cowardly killer Safarov. Hero, huh?
    1. Homeland
      Homeland 28 February 2018 08: 16
      +1
      ButchCassidy,

      This Armenian fascist in Baku does not interest anyone. And the question of the glorification of Nazi accomplices, including Bandera and Nzhdeh, was raised by the Russians in Moscow, not the Azerbaijanis in Baku. We absolutely sneeze on his personality.
  19. Tests
    Tests 27 February 2018 23: 06
    +4
    In Severodvinsk, the most delicious barbecue on Truda Avenue, 50. The "Caravan" began - this barbecue, a former submariner Muradov, is not one of those who travel by submarine, but one of those who travel by submarine. He’s retired since the mid-90s, but doesn’t go to his native Azerbaijan, he moved his relatives to Severodvinsk, said: “Everyone went crazy at home.” And a few years ago, a fellow drug addict, who asked Eivaz for fake documents about working in his cafe, shredded his chest with a knife, a character was needed for this fellow countryman in a criminal case where he was suspected of selling drugs ...
    Theft and nepotism in the southern republics of the Union went through the roof. The mistake of the local leadership of all republics is an attempt to extinguish conflicts without the use of force. And in Central Asia and the Caucasus, indeed, kindness is not perceived - only force. In June 1989, in Ferghana, a detachment of Uzbeks at 6-7 KAMAZs walked along the fence of the famous airborne training school. The posts there were doubled, machine gunners were put on guard towers along the street. On a parallel street were 2 "KAMAZ" with a detachment of self-defense of the Meskhetian Turks. As the operas of military counterintelligence from the Airborne Training Training vehemently told: “Yes, we would have kicked out 4 BMDeshki, would lock up both Uzbeks and Turks, would give a couple of lines with tracers over machine guns, in 5 minutes we would disarm everyone. But the order! The army is not in conflict Only document! And at the airport, when the Turks were loaded into transporters, only officers and warrant officers received weapons! And the Uzbeks became impudent! "... After the state of emergency was introduced, there were attacks on patrols of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. After using weapons, the Uzbeks realized - bullets - they kill. In Kokand, the crowd raged in front of the GOVD! And the order - do not use weapons! And they would shoot a couple of speakers, and tractor drivers, who tried to crush the soldiers of the explosives and the police from the combined detachment - and, probably, it would all be over. In Tashlak, how did the Uzbeks stab the Uzbek police officer Savankulov from Tashkent, who was standing behind the police department building? Top-down sharpening under the armor. He had two children ... Both local Uzbek policemen stood on his right and left, who, naturally, didn’t recognize anyone, didn’t see anything. And the area in front of the facade of the police department cleared up quickly after the police officer on duty it is strange, Russian, gave the order to open fire on those with firearms. Four corpses with weapons in their hands and an empty area almost immediately ... One of the policemen, an Uzbek, drove along the Ferghana, wearing uniforms, and showed them the houses of the Turks. Another local policeman, an Uzbek, created a self-defense detachment with hunting rifles in his mahal. Lay men on the right and left of the railway. crossing. And the policeman stood at the closed passage when the rioters arrived at KAMAZ trucks and said: "Turn back! I have Turks, Koreans, Russians, and Uzbeks in the makhalah. I always had peace in the mahal. Try to go ahead - hunters all of you will be riddled with rifles! " Rape girls, stoning and strangling old people with chains - this could rioters. And then they turned back. Uzbeks, ordinary Soviet cops are just precinct ... But, feel the difference ...
    He spoke with many cops, KGB officers, prosecutors, military, and Vveshniks in the fall of 1989 in Fergana. Including those who worked with Gdlyan and Ivanov in parallel with us; in the Caucasus, Central Asia and Kazakhstan worked on riots. I read something, I remember the proverb "Lying as an eyewitness" ... My position then called names for a long time: "Assistant to the chief of staff of the operational brigade of the GUUR of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR in a special region of the Ferghana region" ... Yes, I also remember that there are all mullahs that the Saudis went to study, punched in the accounts, but anyway, for all of them there was a feeling that they all went out from the Belorussky railway station, everyone seemed to have shoulder straps under their dressing gowns. Not a single mullah called for pogroms in Ferghana ...
  20. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 27 February 2018 23: 10
    +1
    “And in Russia, it’s as if you didn’t behave yourself, you’re a stranger if you have gained respect in the team, you can be an exception. But at the bus stop, in the store and everywhere you feel different attitude, attitude towards a stranger. Arriving from there, Russians became strangers to me, I just "began to divide them into our Russians, my teachers, neighbors, etc. And on those whom I will never count for mine!"


    Dear, did you serve in the army? I happened to be in 84-86. No friend is better than
    Caucasian. If he is alone. But if there are three of them - "hang out the spirit."
    1. garnik
      garnik 28 February 2018 00: 40
      +3
      Dear, did you serve in the army? I happened to be in 84-86. No friend is better than
      Caucasian. If he is alone. But if there are three of them - "hang out the spirit."

      And that’s true. There were Chechens in the platoon of the NZ, while there was one “hug” every day, and as they drove four more, I stopped noticing them, I did not envy their sergeant. Also 84-86 g.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 28 February 2018 04: 44
        0
        The same thing with Azerbaijanis, Armenians!
        1. garnik
          garnik 28 February 2018 13: 04
          +1
          There were no Azerbaijanis, and the Armenians were from other national republics, quite adequate. It is clear that I protected them at one time, but I have a lot of Russian guys from Kirov and Orel, I think they are grateful. I served in Uzbekistan, we understood who I had to brush off.
  21. LeonidL
    LeonidL 28 February 2018 04: 39
    +1
    The wines of Gorbachev and his gang. Such tough measures had to be taken so that it was not inconvenient to even think about something similar in the future. The first is to immediately collect and take out to the central regions of Russia the families of all the security forces of Sumgait - the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Moscow Region Prosecutor's Office, and so on. To set before those left without a "weak rear" the task of conducting investigations and cleaning out all those involved in both the crimes and its organization. The locals would find it faster and more accurately than the trackers and opera from Moscow, especially for fear of losing their families and heads in case of failure. The perpetrators had to be publicly hanged on TV with the broadcast throughout the country in the stadium, driving the entire population of the city to the stands, and to put relatives in the front ranks closer. To declare the crime and sentence to each separately and hang one at a time, approximately since the Chinese are now shooting their corrupt crook. Indicate that the burial place will be a cattle cemetery. Something similar was done by the British with the Assassins, who terrified all of Asia and the East. Everything ended very quickly - hanging + a cattle cemetery with pork carcasses quickly stopped the disgrace. After the operation is completed, they will return the families of the security forces with a media notification that it was these heroes who uncovered the crime and punished the guilty. Now they would have nowhere to get away - they would work in good faith. But the hunchback and his gang were completely over there, which is not a problem, but they were over the country too - and this is a tragedy.
  22. FLOOD
    FLOOD 28 February 2018 07: 09
    +2
    Again saliva))) The day before was the anniversary of the genocide in Khojaly. Why didn’t they give the article?
  23. FLOOD
    FLOOD 28 February 2018 07: 12
    +2
    Quote: The same Lech
    that the first victims of the brutal separatists were Russian civilians

    Russians in Karabakh ...

    There were no Russians in Karabakh at all, but a photo from Chechnya.
  24. FLOOD
    FLOOD 28 February 2018 07: 45
    +3
    Quote: garnik
    This is Baku in 1990, during the Armenian pogrom.

    Ala, stop stirring up yes, this is a village house and there were no such houses in Baku, and then in Baku they would not have written in Russian. The events that you call the "Armenian pogrom" took place in early January, at least the temperature is in the photo! This is Chechnya during the first Chechen one. Have dignity and be able to quarrel!
    1. garnik
      garnik 28 February 2018 08: 31
      +1
      Checked the picture on Google. Could be wrong. Address Baku. Baku didn’t speak better of Russian than in Chechnya, remember the posters about slaves and .....
      1. garnik
        garnik 28 February 2018 10: 43
        +1
        It’s interesting, but don’t you tell me who was expelled from Chechnya.? It may be written in January, the tension in Baku did not end in the winter.
        My relatives on Razino had private homes.
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  26. FLOOD
    FLOOD 28 February 2018 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Homeland
    garnik, I already warned you. "T." is Armenia.

    they themselves have everything “so-called”, from surnames (with a Turkic basis) to a pseudo-state.
  27. FLOOD
    FLOOD 28 February 2018 14: 46
    0
    Quote: 23424636
    And I look, black go and look.

    Yeah, blue ones like you were looking for ...
  28. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 28 February 2018 21: 24
    +2
    Quote: Homeland
    ButchCassidy,

    This Armenian fascist in Baku does not interest anyone. And the question of the glorification of Nazi accomplices, including Bandera and Nzhdeh, was raised by the Russians in Moscow, not the Azerbaijanis in Baku. We absolutely sneeze on his personality.

    Yeah, collective farm journalists raised it, and for example, Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, disavowed her words about Nzhdeh, apparently writing a star to the person who prepared the information for her for the briefing. Because Nzhdeh is not a fascist.

    The phrase that “Nzhdeh is a fascist” is just a cheap attempt to shift attention from the shame that all Europe saw, from the “national hero of Azerbaijan” Ramil Safarov.

    Shame, oblivion and decay await that country in which such national heroes like Safarov.
  29. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 28 February 2018 21: 56
    +2
    Quote: Homeland
    I don’t know what language you got your mother-yurt from, and in Azerbaijan, the Motherland is Veten (emphasis on the second syllable).


    Actually, this word "Homeland" is "Vatan" of Arab origin and was introduced into Turkish in the 19th century. Young Turks from the party "Unity and Progress" - "Ittihad ve Terakki". From Turkish, this word through the Musavatists and fell into modern Azerbaijani.
    1. genisis
      genisis 6 March 2018 22: 03
      +1
      The starters themselves say "ana-yurt", i.e. “mother-yurt”, because for a nomad, the motherland is where his yurt now stands.
      In general, the nomadic way of life has determined many of the peculiarities of the way of life of the hitchhikers: not to cherish the graveyards of their dead, because roaming this makes no sense; Marry with cousins, because roaming often do not often intersect with other people; and much more.
  30. garnik
    garnik 1 March 2018 09: 04
    +1
    kotdavin4i,
    https://www.lastrada.by/news/119/1104/
    http://woman-az.ru/viewtopic.php?t=359
    Of the Russian singers of Armenian descent, only kirkorov visited Baku thanks to Emin.
  31. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 8 March 2018 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: Homeland
    You probably mean the right to self-determination of the Chechen people in the 90s ....


    There is nothing to confuse God's gift with fried eggs. After the 1st Chechen, the Chechens actually lived independently, and so what? 2nd Chechen began after the invasion of Dagestan, and Dagestan, according to R. Gamzatov: Voluntarily did not join Russia, voluntarily and will not leave! Dagestan had no desire to secede, and so the war began, which ended with the decision of the Chechens on reintegration.
  32. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 8 March 2018 11: 42
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Armenians have made up their minds. They have their own state, which is recognized by the UN. And let them sit quietly in the rest. Then Adler, Sochi and Pyatigorsk will have to be separated. The Azerbaijanis are sitting in Iran, in Georgia and in many places. What will we define ourselves everywhere? ?

    Yeah))) And how many times have the Arabs decided? Armenians 2da. Self-determination is not an end in itself if the people have satisfied their needs for the development and preservation of national culture and language. In Iran or Russia, there is no problem. And in the Republic of Azerbaijan? You cannot enter with an Armenian surname (!), Not citizenship.

    This is a racist panturan dearmenization policy - from Turkey to the Turkish geopolitical project - of the modern Republic of Azerbaijan, which was founded by the bayonets of the Turkish general Nuri Pasha in 1918 under the name "Azerbaijan Democratic Republic" with the name stolen from Iran in order to claim Iranian populated by Turkic Persians Ostanes (regions) of Western and Eastern Azerbaijan.

    Thus, through direct genocide, the vast expanse of Western (Turkish) Armenia, which in modern Turkey is bashfully called "Eastern Anatolia" (East East, since Anatolia is from the Greek "East", meaning the eastern part of Asia Minor) is dearmenized. Also, Plain Karabakh, Baku province were significantly dearmenced by massacre, for which Fatali Khan Khoysky was executed by the Armenians, and in Soviet times, the Armenians were ousted from Nakhichevan by "mild genocide", when in Soviet times, with complete silence of the republican and allied leadership with the Armenian surname nothing could be done in Nakhichevan, getting a job, etc. And people went to other regions of the USSR. It all ended with the disruption of the medieval Armenian cemetery, where it was approx. 10 thousand cross-stones - stone crosses. It turned out that in the region, the name of which is translated from Armenian as “the place of Noah’s landing” - “Nah-Ijevan” at the foot of Ararat, not a single Armenian remained.

    They wanted to do the same with Karabakh, but failed, the Karabakh Armenians are special people. It is worth recalling that a whole galaxy of Soviet military commanders left the Armenian village of Chardakhlu during the Great Patriotic War, 2e became marshals, 12 generals, 7 - Heroes of the Soviet Union. It was then that the teeth of the pan-Turkist genocidal genome broke off. This village, however, remained on the territory of the sovr. Az.R., and lost the Armenian population, and one of the first.
  33. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 8 March 2018 20: 00
    +1
    Quote: Homeland
    ButchCassidy,

    This Armenian fascist in Baku does not interest anyone. And the question of the glorification of Nazi accomplices, including Bandera and Nzhdeh, was raised by the Russians in Moscow, not the Azerbaijanis in Baku. We absolutely sneeze on his personality.

    Oh-wei, you still say that Moscow does not like gesheft?)) In the European Union, even whole investigations were held on the topic of Baku "caviar diplomacy" when Baku bought European politicians, do you really think that a little manat was not spent on reporters in Russia?
    1. genisis
      genisis 9 March 2018 14: 42
      +2
      The fact that manats are spent on anyone who is absolutely negligent and extremely dishonest to take them and broadcast the false point of view of azagitprop is evidenced by the publication on the Nezavisimaya Gazeta resource a couple of weeks ago. Absolutely vile creature, listed by the author, M.A. Timofeev, bears so clearly paid lies that he takes the hell out of it.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 10 March 2018 01: 34
        +1
        Now the media, consider, are not responsible for the crap they write. This is where all the trouble comes from. It is called a “point of view,” not a lie.
        1. garnik
          garnik 10 March 2018 02: 02
          +1
          What to say about the current media. If at one time, a world-renowned historian, Dyakonov admitted that he was fulfilling orders for bribing the Cavturs and pushing the version of the arrival of Armenians to occupied territories from the Balkans .. And someone cleaned up this shit left behind by the "historian" ? "
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 11 March 2018 10: 23
            +1
            Honestly, I did not read these confessions of Dyakonov, but I’m almost sure that it could have been done not from a good life. Nobody needed science in the 90s; rocket launchers have been sitting for months without months, what can we say about historians?
            1. garnik
              garnik 11 March 2018 10: 27
              +1
              I read it at Voskanapat, but it was in 90 and not from a good life, as Dyakonov admitted. But there were 50-60. when everything was enough for everyone.