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National Interest appreciated the possibilities of the Russian "Terminator"

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The Terminator fire support machine, created on the basis of the Soviet 781 Object, is one of the most powerful and interesting designs that will come into service with the Russian army, Lenta.ru report opinion of experts of The National Interest.




According to the authors, this year “Uralvagonzavod” will supply the Russian military 12 “Terminators”, at the stage of development they got the name “Object 199”.

The publication notes that “the design of the newest Russian combat vehicles of fire support is based on the construction of the 781 Object, and interest in such equipment in the USSR was revived during the Afghan war, and in Russia after the first Chechen campaign.”

The submission says that the new Terminators based on the 781 Object receive state-of-the-art weapons.

The current fire support vehicle provides superior anti-tank defenses; it has four ready-to-launch rockets, compared to two on the 781 Object. Rockets on the current car are also more modern than rockets on the 781 Object,
write authors.

The modern Terminator model, first shown in the 2013 year, is made on the T-72 chassis.

The machine weighing 44 tons "is equipped with two 30-mm automatic guns 2A42, 7,62 mm tank a Kalashnikov machine gun, as well as four launch containers for guided missiles of the 9M120 family (Ataka complex) and two 30-mm automatic AG-17D grenade launchers, ”the publication said.

Fighting vehicle also passed tests in Syria.
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Irokez
    Irokez 27 February 2018 12: 52
    +1
    Yes, coolly appreciated. For greater contrast, it is necessary to show Schwartz Niger in the cockpit with his tongue hanging out. Then yes, "Super Terminator"
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 27 February 2018 13: 00
      +6
      Quote: Irokez
      Yes cool

      Mattresses praise (((. It is necessary to look closely at what is wrong with the machine
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 13: 06
        +2
        National Interest appreciated the possibilities of the Russian "Terminator"
        that they have not yet encountered ...
        Quote: Chertt
        Mattresses praise (((. It is necessary to look closely at what is wrong with the machine

        well, that's why they are in Syria ... wink
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 February 2018 13: 13
      +1
      Well, since tested in Syria, then in business. winked
  2. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 12: 53
    +7
    Fighting vehicle also passed tests in Syria.
    then why only 12?
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 13: 03
      +5
      Victor hi
      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
      then why only 12?

      Everything has its time - a trial ball. wink Another thing is surprising:
      National Interest appreciated opportunities of the Russian "Terminator"

      Do these experts have something to compare with, what do they “evaluate”? That way anyone can compare green with square. soldier
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 08
        +5
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        what do they "rate"?

        that was being tested in Syria - more barmale and instructors conveyed their feelings from these demonstrations
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 13: 10
          +2
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          barmaley and instructors conveyed their feelings from these demonstrations

          If it remains to whom to pass on their "excuses". wink
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 16
            +4
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            If it remains to whom to pass on their "excuses".

            Well, who did the same? and someone was taken out by helicopters, with our consent request
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 13: 20
              +2
              Quote: Angel_and_Demon
              Well, who did the same?

              Well, the profession of Judah is in demand as long as there are 30 silver coins to pay. sad
              Quote: Angel_and_Demon
              someone was taken out by helicopters, with our consent

              I don’t want to judge, because I don’t know the whole ins and outs ...
              1. Angel_and_Demon
                Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 24
                +4
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                for I do not know the whole background ...

                or maybe the ins and outs is just that - they let go, what would it be like to tell horror stories to?
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 13: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Angel_and_Demon
                  or maybe the ins and outs is just that - they let go, what would it be like to tell horror stories to?

                  This is not ruled out. Generals like to play chess, not really bothering with the opinion of pawns. wink
                  1. Angel_and_Demon
                    Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 33
                    +4
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Generals like to play chess, not really bothering with the opinion of pawns.

                    I just wish it were GROSSMASTERS, not deletants
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 13: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
                      I would like it to be GROSSMASTERS, not deletants

                      And they don’t ask the pawns for that ... sad
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
      Fighting vehicle also passed tests in Syria.
      then why only 12?

      out of superstition ... wink
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        out of superstition ...

        then better 33 laughing
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 27 February 2018 13: 43
          +1
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          out of superstition ...

          then better 33 laughing

          then 45 is better! yes
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 50
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            then 45 is better!

            and 150 is even better lol drinks
    3. Berber
      Berber 27 February 2018 13: 11
      +1
      Commerce, we don’t really need it ourselves, and at least they will buy it. Well, I think so.
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 27 February 2018 13: 25
        +5
        that’s just what you need - they showed themselves well, maybe just while there is no money
        1. Berber
          Berber 27 February 2018 14: 00
          +1
          Well, also an option.
  3. nnz226
    nnz226 27 February 2018 13: 20
    +2
    "Merino" - be afraid!
  4. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2018 13: 25
    +3
    This car has been waiting for the series for more than twenty years. The machine is perfect for flamethrower units and units, escort and fire cover of military convoys, fire support of assault groups during the battle in settlements. Chekhard with its use arose due to the fact that it was created according to the experience of Afghanistan, but when the experimental products of Afghanistan and the USSR were ready, it was gone. Then they began to think where to adapt it and decided on the tanks. However, the escort of the columns was forgotten. Now back to this. In general, all the squabbles from the fact that the car was in an illegitimate position due to the frequent change of leadership of the Ministry of Defense in the 90s, etc., and the defeat of military science and military personnel at the same time. About the time of Serdyukov and say nothing.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 27 February 2018 13: 40
      +1
      Mozh and so, he is not an infantry is difficult to judge.
      There is no superfluous firepower on the battlefield. That's for sure, only where I had to shoot, she would not have passed. So each vegetable has its own place.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 05
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        There is no superfluous firepower on the battlefield. that's right,

        So then it is, but all this beauty (BMPT firepower) instead of a 125 mm gun! Could it be better to expand the range of tank ammunition?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 February 2018 14: 16
          +1
          A powerful gun, such a convincing sniper, but behind the armor ... I heard that the infantry never regret such support!
          Only an automatic grenade launcher, a quick-firing cannon, a couple of machine guns during the assault on urban buildings, the assault groups are also very inspiring!
          Each vegetable has its own place and time. There is no reason to refute the opinion of specialists; they should fight with such an increase.
    2. Berber
      Berber 27 February 2018 14: 01
      0
      In short, the main enemy of progress is bureaucracy.
  5. Ural cossack
    Ural cossack 27 February 2018 14: 55
    +1
    Good But the name is annoying.
  6. Saling
    Saling 27 February 2018 15: 19
    0

    Machine-gun multi-turret tank, unable to independently force water barriers. Oh yes, that's what a modern army needs laughing laughing the history of the beginning of World War II taught nothing to anyone. laughing
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 27 February 2018 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Saling
      Machine-gun multi-turret tank

      And yet, where did you see the multi-tower and machine-guns? ..
      Quote: Saling
      unable to force water barriers on his own

      Yes, actually no one ordered an amphibian ...
      Quote: Saling
      Oh yes, that's what a modern army needs

      The irony is a good thing, but practice will put everything in its place ...
      Quote: Saling
      the history of the beginning of World War II taught nothing to anyone

      Taught. And how. Otherwise, they would have driven Volkswagen back to the Vaterland ... And the history of Afghanistan taught. If you hadn’t taught, you wouldn’t have thought about developing such a class of machines ...
      But some people really did not learn the lessons of the fourth Soviet-Finnish. Yes, and the third actually ... wink
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 27 February 2018 16: 10
      0
      do you think all modern tanks are worthless cars? unable to force water barriers on their own)
      1. Saling
        Saling 27 February 2018 17: 05
        0
        I’ll tell you military secrets, modern tanks, especially Russian ones that are able to independently cross water obstacles without special equipment.
        And now, apparently, separate pontoon units will be created for this woodwaffle, because "actually no one ordered amphibianism."
        A good tank support vehicle. Support up to the first deep river. And then yourself. laughing
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 27 February 2018 17: 30
          +2
          I’ll also tell you a military secret - they can force water barriers on their own only floating cars. Everyone else needs both preparation of the machine itself, and (at least) engineering reconnaissance of the terrain (bottom and opposite shore), and even the involvement of anti-tank vehicles. So until the first deep river - and then like tanks.
          If this is a claim, then far-fetched.
          1. Saling
            Saling 27 February 2018 20: 18
            0
            Oh yes, floating cars without reconnaissance without reconnaissance of the shore :))))). And the problem is far-fetched or not, and the BMPT turns from a tank support machine into a tank encumbrance machine.)) Neither the bottom, nor the water. We'll have to include the support vehicle of the support vehicle in the tank unit.
  7. Izotovp
    Izotovp 27 February 2018 15: 41
    0
    There are not enough clearance and clearance systems.
  8. Saling
    Saling 27 February 2018 17: 10
    +1
    History of Afghanistan taught to speak?
    And did tank armies fight in Afghanistan directly? And most importantly, the enemy was equal, with aviation and armored vehicles wink The war in Afghanistan ended in 1989, and already in 1990 the USA in Iraq showed how the real war would develop, not with the Papuans. Even then, the Soviet generals point shrank from what he saw.
    Fighting with a bunch of Papuans is not to stop the strike of the tank division of NATO or China.
    This machine is a vivid example that the Moscow Region is preparing to fight not with an equal, but with a obviously weak enemy.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 27 February 2018 17: 49
      +3
      Quote: Saling
      This car is a vivid example that the Moscow Region is preparing to fight not with an equal, but with a knowingly weak enemy

      Are you talking about Finland again? If you don’t run into trouble, we won’t touch you yet.
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    2. poquello
      poquello 27 February 2018 20: 17
      0
      Quote: Saling
      Fighting with a bunch of Papuans is not to stop the strike of the tank division of NATO or China.

      as I understand it, your imaginary tank will stop diving into the strike of a tank division by plunging into a deep river
      1. Saling
        Saling 28 February 2018 09: 05
        0
        No, Terminator will turn enemy hordes into atomic dust.
        1. poquello
          poquello 28 February 2018 19: 09
          0
          Quote: Saling
          No, Terminator will turn enemy hordes into atomic dust.

          Well, it may not turn into dust, but carrots with its over-praised kaz will destroy
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 09
      0
      Quote: Saling
      Fighting with a bunch of Papuans is not to stop the strike of the tank division of NATO or China.

      NATO tank divisions are not physically capable of advancing across Russian territory.
      1. Saling
        Saling 28 February 2018 13: 29
        0
        Then you will tell these divisions. When they will march through Russian cities.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Saling
          Then you will tell these divisions. When they will march through Russian cities.

          Unless they are brought there by something, such as ships, or by rail.
        2. poquello
          poquello 28 February 2018 19: 10
          +1
          Quote: Saling
          Then you will tell these divisions. When they will march through Russian cities.

          everyone will go to Cuba, there is a large collection
  9. k_ply
    k_ply 27 February 2018 21: 21
    +1
    Our most fearless Saling, are tankers that experienced seasoned submariners? We confuse it with polygons equipped with artificial water barriers (Russian Expo Arms, for example), but they have never heard of engineering reconnaissance of water barriers. Yes, yes, the opposite shore is being investigated, and on the bottom! The muddy bottom and double bottom of the river are actually not uncommon. It will not be possible to force an unfamiliar river on the move; building up a floating bridge with the help of pontoon-bridge companies will be faster and safer.
    1. Saling
      Saling 27 February 2018 22: 37
      0
      You have seen enough of the Russian Expo Arms with the brave pontoons. Do you really think that in the case of real hostilities all the pontoon-bridge brigades will be enough to provide tank divisions? laughing And your tankers will have to wait until the time for free for the ferry will be available laughing Can you tell me where this movement of a tank battalion necessarily provides a pontoon-bridge company of engineering troops? laughing
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 28 February 2018 03: 40
        +1
        In real combat, no one forces the water obstacles on the tanks at once. Even in the movies.
        1. Saling
          Saling 28 February 2018 09: 17
          0
          And who is talking about forcing right away? wink We are talking about self-acceleration of water barriers. What is in our geographical zone, in contrast to Afghanistan and Syria, is very important. And “Terminator” is not capable of self-forcing due to the armament complex.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 11
            0
            Quote: Saling
            We are talking about self-acceleration of water barriers.

            It must be said that NATO tanks cannot force water barriers in any way at all, only build bridges.
            1. Saling
              Saling 28 February 2018 13: 32
              0
              With a depth of 2 meters freely. wink And yet, look at the organization of American infantry divisions. By engineering support, they overlap Russian at times. Americans will build five of their own on one Russian bridge. laughing
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 36
                0
                Quote: Saling
                With a depth of 2 meters freely.

                It’s not that free, but theoretically they can be up to two meters, but it was a question of rivers, not streams.
                Quote: Saling
                By engineering support, they overlap Russian at times.

                So the abrams is many times more demanding than our T-shki, it is not from a good life that they are forced by their tank divisions to provide such support.
                1. Saling
                  Saling 28 February 2018 15: 14
                  0
                  I look at your knowledge in the military field so deeply. that you don’t even know the difference between technical support, in which, in your opinion, “an abrams is many times more demanding” and engineering support laughing For your information, Engineering support is organized and carried out in order to create the necessary conditions for units and subdivisions for their timely and secret advancement, deployment, maneuver and successful performance of combat missions, increase protection of personnel and military equipment from modern weapons, Such support in the US Army does not come from the demanding "Abrams, but from taking care of their troops and the desire to win with minimal losses.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 February 2018 16: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Saling
                    I look at your knowledge in the military field so deeply. that you don’t even know the difference between technical support

                    Quote: Saling
                    For your information, Engineering support is organized and carried out in order to create the necessary conditions for units and divisions for

                    I confess, I read the combat manual diagonally ... but you are a real fighter - you know how to quote it (combat manual) verbatim.
                    Quote: Saling
                    Such support in the US Army does not come from the demanding "Abrams, but from taking care of their troops and the desire to win with minimal losses.

                    Combat experience is our everything. Such a strategy led to the fact that in the Second World War all the combat experience went to the Red Army, which determined the advantage of the USSR for decades to come.
                    1. Saling
                      Saling 1 March 2018 10: 42
                      0
                      And how many lives were paid for this experience, including the lives of civilians, were not reminded? In the second world Soviet Union for the so-called experience, paid the lives of 26 million of its citizens. It is in this state of military industry, demography and economics. Now Russia in all these indicators to the USSR as to the moon on foot. And about the benefits for decades, you re-read the Internet. laughing
      2. k_ply
        k_ply 28 February 2018 04: 48
        +1
        The fearless laughter, you see, the pontoons are consumables, like ammunition, and even more so in the war and in the advance of the tank divisions of the SV (you probably have all of them consisting of only tanks).
      3. k_ply
        k_ply 28 February 2018 05: 07
        0
        It turns out that offensives and military operations in general are planned actions. Imagine, people in headquarters for this sit on the cards.
        1. Saling
          Saling 28 February 2018 08: 59
          0
          This is you who fought in the Ukraine, in Chechnya or Syria. And about the "planning", and about people in the headquarters with maps. Learn a lot. Here is an example of "planning" by a person with an academic education among other things: https://twower.livejournal.com/2233638.html
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Saling
            https://twower.livejournal.com/2233638.html

            A live log is cool, a live log is authority, buddy, have you got anything wrong?
            1. Saling
              Saling 28 February 2018 13: 34
              0
              And is this all the argument even against the article in LJ? Fluid like that for a strategist of such troops of the Russian Federation.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 28 February 2018 13: 39
                +1
                Quote: Saling
                And is this all the argument even against the article in LJ?

                I simply reject articles in LJ without reading as not trustworthy. And it is very significant.
                Quote: Saling
                Fluid like that for a strategist of such troops of the Russian Federation.

                I am a railwayman, I really know how difficult it will be to transport abrams along our railway.
                Quote: Saling
                Then you will tell these divisions. When they will march through Russian cities.

                Only if they are dropped from the plane.
  10. shinobi
    shinobi 28 February 2018 03: 34
    0
    And again, the most interesting thing in one line says little to experts. Chassis T-72.
    PS: I don’t remember which sofa strategist complained bitterly about not launching this car in series. I can say that it will not be in serial production. It’s not needed. Few people notice that the missile-cannon equipment on the Terminator has a unified removable module. How many 72x do we have in the country? Approximate figure is 17000. They are replaced by the T-14. So the conclusion is more than obvious.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 February 2018 03: 41
      +1
      Quote: shinobi
      . I can say that it will not be in mass production. For uselessness. Few people pay attention to the fact that the missile-cannon equipment on the Terminator has a unified removable module. How much is 72x in the country? Approximate figure is 17000. It is replaced by the T-14. So the conclusion is more than obvious

      the conclusion is "obvious" only to you, NEVER, the T-14 will replace 72-90!,. these are different tanks, for different tasks, and at different prices. 72-80s and 90s will always be massive breakthrough tanks, and the T14 is a large sniper rifle, which is also expensive.
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 28 February 2018 10: 48
    +1
    12 cars, something will not be enough, but at least 50 or a little more than that, and so ... pampering one
  12. Goodbear
    Goodbear 28 February 2018 12: 23
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: Irokez
    Yes cool

    Mattresses praise (((. It is necessary to look closely at what is wrong with the machine

    So they are preparing another global cut.
    "To counteract the Russian Terminator, a Terminator Terminator will be created, the cost of the project will be greenery of greenhouse!"
  13. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 28 February 2018 13: 55
    0
    It’s time to put it in the army at the rate of 1 machine per 1 tank platoon.
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  15. Saling
    Saling 28 February 2018 15: 47
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    there will be no production. For uselessness. Few people pay attention to the fact that the missile-cannon equipment on the Terminator has a unified removable module. How many in the country are 72x? Approximate figure 17000. They are replaced by the T-14. So the conclusion is more than obvious

    Well, as I understand it, your
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Saling
    And is this all the argument even against the article in LJ?

    I simply reject articles in LJ without reading as not trustworthy. And it is very significant.
    Quote: Saling
    Fluid like that for a strategist of such troops of the Russian Federation.

    I am a railwayman, I really know how difficult it will be to transport abrams along our railway.
    Quote: Saling
    Then you will tell these divisions. When they will march through Russian cities.

    Only if they are dropped from the plane.

    Well, as I understand it, your sources are Topwar "experts" and Mr. Zakharov and Prokopenko? And at the expense of the complexity of the Abrams transportations, believe me, the Americans have long developed a scheme for transporting and ensuring movement across the territory of Russia, and it has already been tested in exercises in eastern Europe.
    Moreover, in today's situation, no tanks are needed. The United States can put Russia with non-military measures in such a position that you yourself, like a railwayman for a can of stew, run to organize the transportation of Abrams throughout the Trans-Siberian Railway. And I do not need to tell tales that the United States will not be able to do this with Russia at any time.
  16. flicker
    flicker 28 February 2018 16: 02
    +2
    The Pentagon has a reason to bankers in the face to give that money allocated.