In the Russian Federation, the creation of a domestic computer for the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergency Situations is being completed

In Russia, the creation of a personal computer on the domestic component base for the needs of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergency Situations is being completed, reports RIA News a message from the general director of the North-West regional center of the VKO Almaz-Antey concern Mikhail Podvyaznikov.

The development is engaged in the All-Russian Research Institute of Radio Equipment (VNIIRA, part of Almaz-Antey).

VNIIRA has practically completed the creation of a personal computer, which is completely created on the domestic component base - from the case to the microcircuits. We will be ready to fully provide the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Emergency Situations with this equipment,

told Podvyaznikov to the magazine National Defense.

At the same time, the general director stressed that these “computers will not be tied to the possible influence of other states on the control of Russian equipment”.

Earlier, Vladimir Putin stated the need for import substitution in the field of information technology. The head of state noted that it is important to strengthen the potential and competitiveness of Russian companies in this area.

Comments

[Vard]

I must say that if the computer is not for games ... but for application software ... then the parameters may not be so ... like the hundredth stump ... The main thing here is reliability ... resistance to overheating and unpretentiousness to power. .. and probably shock resistance ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Vard

Well, probably shock resistance ...

Do you want them to beat the enemy on the head? Our computer is quite possible, without consequences for it!

[Vard]

From practice, the usual system unit is very hard going through a fall from the table ... and even more so ... let's say something nearby exploded ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Vard

From practice, the usual system unit is very hard going through a fall from the table ... and even more so ... let's say something nearby exploded ...

I was joking! Our system units do not survive the fall, they simply refuse to work! (Again joked)

[Vard]

Everything in life happens ... once they brought a laptop to fix ... a girl put a boy on the head ... It was not possible to restore ...

[-ш-]

boy or laptop?))

[Felix99]

The boy had an upgrade, now he has ameth to embroider, well, and some other useful things at home.

[Cxnumx]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

I was joking! Our system units do not survive the fall, they simply refuse to work! (Again joked)

for a person, impact resistance is of course dregs, but for laptops it is very important.
PS from personal experience: a computer in a good case with the right mounts can easily withstand falling from tables and shelves if you are using not an HDD, but an SSD.

[zhekazs]

Quote: K0

if not HDD, but SSD are used.

Modern laptops with HDDs have long been quietly falling from tables, including when turned on, gyro-based technology has been applied that fixes the position of the heads at the time of a sharp displacement of the laptop case, micro-scratches on the HDD mirror from the heads and there are bad sectors with lost data. AND
this, of course, is all good, but the future is for the SSD, as soon as the price tag falls, they will become the same mass and affordable standard for basic models.
They would write at least a word about the cars themselves, because many are interested. I hope that at least the mass field models of Russian mobile computers will be equipped with SSDs and shockproof screens in dustproof, waterproof cases and with adequate cooling. By the way, SSD drives are manufactured in Russia.

[marline]

Quote: zhekazs

I hope that at least the mass field models of Russian mobile computers will be equipped with SSDs and shockproof screens in dustproof, waterproof cases and with adequate cooling.

Faced with old models, still on someone else's hardware base.
Why SSD? What are the tasks there? ballistics to count? Special computing power is not needed.
But the cases are good - not only shockproof, they really can be killed. They said bulletproof ... heavy truth ...
It’s much more interesting what’s happening with the software.

[kytx]

Linuha is standing there.
At amers by the way Windows I had an army laptop Panasonic 98 there stood

[marline]

Quote: kytx

Linuha is standing there.

In general, little has changed)

[kytx]

Ssd has trouble with reliability. Sprinkled nothing can be pulled from it. All given to the mercy of the controller. In hdd, even if the heads fell on pancakes, something can be pulled out in ssd this is a whole saga with an unclear end

[zhekazs]

Quote: merlin

Why SSD? What are the tasks there? ballistics to count? Special computing power is not needed.

Not because of the speed of data transfer, because of the lack of mechanical parts - reliability. But on the other side, kytx in his own right:

Quote: kytx

Ssd has trouble with reliability. Sprinkled nothing can be pulled from it.

In principle, it is true, but this does not mean that it is not necessary to do. Need to. Over time, more reliable components will come, and the platform - here it is, has already been tested.

[sharp-lad]

Ssd has trouble with reliability. Sprinkled nothing can be pulled from it.
In a military laptop for lower and middle command level commanders, what kind of exclusive data can be stored? Well, maybe photos of their women with Nude style.

[astepanov]

And what if an edge, and it is in a cast-iron edging, then not bad. You never know what is wrong. The sapper blade is also not designed for hand-to-hand combat, but it’s how effective it is, where some nunchucks are up to it.

[alcor]

Witnessed a slightly comical scene .. Station. Rogue. Two policemen are running after him. can't catch up. On the go, they throw a walkie-talkie into a rogue. Get exactly in the head. Knockout rogue. The radio is intact. The curtain. So the computer is generally a weapon of mass destruction))

[sogdy]

I had many Goldstarik with minor Russian modifications (almost allied). Nails weaving them hammered. His pen was poorer than the armored case. There was no fill in the boards. Standard IDEchny screw. After 8 years, the power supply (charging) still struck, it did not work with other components.

[Captain45]

Quote: alkor

Witnessed a slightly comical scene .. Station. Rogue. Two policemen are running after him. can't catch up. On the go, they throw a walkie-talkie into a rogue. Get exactly in the head. Knockout rogue. The radio is intact. A curtain

In the 80's, the teaching staff had the Dnepr station, then the Viola, this is EVERYTHING. A kilo with a ponytail and a duralumin case, it was safe to attach along the hump without worrying about the apparatus. It was later introduced in the 88 year of the PR. It became easier for the people

[ancestors from Don]

It’s time to leave the greedy “window”, especially the 10th masterpiece of redneck.

[rotmistr60]

Well, probably shock resistance ...

Judging by the photo and taking into account the experience of the USSR in creating reliable equipment, there will be no problems with this.

[yehat]

armored keys, a mouse on the tracks and multi-layer armor of the system unit case with hinged anti-cumulative screens, bulletproof glass on the monitor, a fluorescent system board, a processor made of heat-resistant steel with diamond legs ...
it’s not funny for you to discuss shock resistance of just a computer? Spectrum 2.0 damn ...

[rotmistr60]

In fact, the computer is exclusively for the needs of the army. And there they are not in a warm apartment and in comfortable conditions. And the equipment in which the servicemen have to work does not move along the autobahns. Not to mention wartime (the same shelling). Therefore not funny.

[yehat]

all that is needed for such a technique is the strict installation requirements usual for the military (no Chinese connectors or other garbage).
and some low-cost solutions to address sustainability at home.
nothing special is needed. and it’s not worth much.

[Irokez]

Quote: yehat

low-cost solutions to solve sustainability in everyday life.
nothing special is needed. and it’s not worth much.

This is just your theory. Practice is not a theory, but a reality. One thing is thought, but it turns out another and it is unclear why the theory is repeated again and again the practice in practice is endless.

[yehat]

95% of computers "for the army" in any case will stand / lie in offices or in cars.
Well, what are the special requirements? Or do you have indoor rain and temperatures jump from -60 to plus 70?

[Irokez]

Quote: yehat

will stand / lie in offices or in cars.

Do you see an office in the picture?
And in any case, now in the office, and an hour later he grabbed into the car, a trench or an armored personnel carrier, and therefore he must withstand the trench and armored personnel carrier, and you can not even talk about the greenhouse conditions of the office when it is ground under field conditions. In the office, in any case, it will work.

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

Or do you have indoor rain and temperatures jump from -60 to plus 70?

Many have seen different "indoor" premises. Some are mostly obscene. From -78 to +48 (+56 in the shade - on vacation). Rain, snow, high humidity - standard attributes of temporary premises. "This is Russia baby!" (from)

[yehat]

Army computers are needed for reporting, communications and management
I also seemed to see the army and have never seen a room with these functions, where some special computer would be required.
and an ordinary laptop in BTR-e works quite normally.

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

and an ordinary laptop in BTR-e works quite normally.

An armored personnel carrier is good, an airplane is good, but a scoop is better ...

[Awaz]

unfortunately ours have already learned from the Americans to steal budget loot. I am almost sure that it will be what thread a cheap Chinese beech, flooded with a compound, well, assembled in an iron case, possibly shockproof. Worst of all, what will it cost as the most powerful Mac

[bazzbazz]

And in your opinion it is better to make purchases in the army on Ali! Economically) But after half a year kirdyk

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

armored keys, a mouse on the tracks and multi-layer armor of the system unit case with hinged anti-cumulative screens, bulletproof glass on the monitor, a fluorescent system board, a processor made of heat-resistant steel with diamond legs ...

Hmm. Some did not see the mouse on the DCK. Otherwise, they would not have whistled.
And there were Irkutsk "Tipo Sinclair" for Geophysics - from two microcircuits (VLSI and assembly for power). That at least buy - and why break there?

[yehat]

saw, and saw different)))
an armored spray the size of a real rat was impressive.

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

an armored spray the size of a real rat was impressive.

200x100x100 - not enough for a rat.

[siberalt]

Good deal, but how much do we buy? If comparable with the "secret" mobile phones, then Toda, oh!

[Alex_Rarog]

Vlad, our processes have long been no worse than Intel in terms of performance ... It's not about the process, but about the rest of the hardware. In particular, in video chips ... everything is sad there .... although we produce single crystals from which all this is done ...

[Alex-a832]

And they will do vidyuha. For military needs, a game level is not needed. The main thing is that the power consumption is low, the boards are thicker, the wiring of microcircuits on the "legs", passive cooling, solid-state ROMs and a shell like "Linux", and the matrix is ​​stronger.

[Simargl]

MSVS and so Linux. True, almost entirely - the American Red Hat.

[sogdy]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

It's not about the process, but about the rest of the hardware. In particular, in the video chips ... everything is sad

Video chip and Elbrus? Did you understand what you answered? You also tell what a bad video chip in the ZX (80/81/8000).

[bazzbazz]

Until they show the filling, it makes no sense to talk about any departure from the West. Bugs can be anywhere, a disk, a memory, a keyboard controller, a microphone ..... I won’t believe it until they show a PC made entirely from our parts in the Russian Federation.
And here I agree, for a start and the Pentium 3 level is enough)

[sogdy]

Quote: bazzbazz

Until they show

Quote: bazzbazz

I won’t believe until they show

Something reminds me of it, vague, from childhood ...

Quote: bazzbazz

for starters and Pentium 3 level is enough)

I apologize, but will it be a lope in C-shahs?
And, for information, in which army is Pentium used? Cirix (hereinafter AMD and C), Hewlett production of Beijing and Olivetti. And yet ...

[bazzbazz]

Do not find fault with the Pentium! I talked about performance comparable to it!

[sogdy]

Quote: bazzbazz

Do not find fault with the Pentium!

Pissed!

Quote: bazzbazz

I talked about performance comparable to it!

And yet, how are you able to estimate the percent failure every 40 microseconds? In the latest versions, recounting any result 5 (!!!) times. With a completely unpredictable rounding. In fact, doped AMD. And requiring 174 bars to prepare for division ...

[Thrall]

these “computers will not be tied to possible influence from other states

Still, officials in the government (economic bloc) of the same

[Chertt]

Quote: Thrall

Still, officials in the government (economic bloc) of the same

As far as can be judged by the reports of KB "Crosses" and other related enterprises, work is ongoing. But as experts say (and we know from history), this work is much more difficult and voluminous

[astepanov]

It would be interesting to know the characteristics and cost in comparison with the technology of the same purpose from the "partners". And about whether this development will affect civilian import substitution - even to the smallest extent.

[_Jack_]

the price will be such that you can not dream of any civil import substitution

[astepanov]

Well, here is the price of a computer - the second thing. But the production of components, and the technological base as a whole, could (in principle, at least) affect the domestic market.

[_Jack_]

For the civilian market, the price is not even the second thing; do you buy a Russian computer twice as expensive as an imported one while being less productive? Here the competition is fierce and it will not work with the Chinese, therefore, about the citizen. the market can be forgotten, and the military will buy three times the price, the money is not your own, budgetary.

[Thrall]

Something like modern protected Panasonic, I think, will be.

[katalonec2014]

It’s good of course that we are developing our own, but the price of a push-button telephone for the military just kills. And this pepelats will go at the price of a used fighter.

[Vard]

Foreign analogues ... civilian models ... from 150 to 400 thousand rubles ...

[yehat]

The price of the tablet in Rosnano kills me.
the impression is that bureaucrats do not care about the cost of production at all.

[Irokez]

Quote: yehat

the impression is that bureaucrats do not care about the cost of production at all.

Have you ever tried to do something new the first time and to make it beautiful, work, competitive and most importantly cheap?
Have you ever been on a field trip in high-tech production?

[yehat]

there is no competition, there is no new one, all investments upfront are ideal conditions for production ..
you just need to qualitatively repeat it already 100 times done at sky-high prices.

[Irokez]

Quote: yehat

you just need to qualitatively repeat already done 100 times

DONE WHERE? In Russia or the Asian region? Do you feel the difference?

[yehat]

automated production
the difference between regions does not pull an order of magnitude in price in any way, with a maximum of 10% of cost.

[Irokez]

Quote: yehat

automated production

Something did not understand what kind of automation are we talking about? Therefore, in the Asian region, everything on automatic lines is massively produced cheaply, and in our country it is unlikely to be automated and everything is handled from which it is sky-high in cost. This is about automation if I understand you correctly.

[yehat]

see how these industries work in the Moscow region.
there are 10 employees and 1000 managers with bonuses and other things.

[Irokez]

Quote: yehat

there are 10 employees and 1000 managers with bonuses and other

What you say is in mass production, but piecewise, military or small-scale production will be on the contrary 1000 employees and 10 managers. Well, it’s clear that you are not friends with production.

[yehat]

small-sized shit in the ass
it does not change the situation in any way, but it eats money very well.

[sogdy]

I apologize to ask, how do you imagine large-scale automated production (as in the south) with a daily temperature drop of more than 60 degrees? And these are the very places from which Putin has his 63% of the vote. Because it does not go in cycles in resort regions and capitals.
But we are still interested in production in non-comfortable areas. With their features of technology implementation. The same Radian, Far Eastern factories.

[yehat]

how do you imagine large-scale

it is a matter of planning. there is no critical difference in which climate, where production and production volumes are much more important. Of course, the cost of electronics production is higher than in Hong Kong or Shanghai, and at least 2 times, but if the volumes are significant, then this is normal.
And if they produce 10-99 cell phones throughout the country, then the price will be simply unrealistic. Then it is much easier to buy a plant in Vietnam and carry your staff there, and do it there.
It is important that at least partially demand (namely demand, and not imposed sales) of ordinary citizens and industry dilutes the sales of equipment. And then the question is about standards.

[Pax tecum]

creation of a personal computer on a domestic component base

Of course, great news, needed even 20 years ago.
What about the software?
At least a little enlightened, in general terms, so to speak.
Or as with the "newest domestic smartphone" Yotaphone, God forbid, it will turn out (made in China).
Well, now imagine their cost for the MO, if phones for 115 thousand are already being introduced.
In fact, hardware has long been cheaper than software.

[Vard]

Everything is correct ... it’s approximately the same ... a small series ... without a simulated performance ... also how the walkie-talkie works ...

[Kelwin]

Quote: Pax tecum

What about the software?

Most likely Astra Linux (http://astra-linux.com/), that's what it was going to. You can download and drive the CE version, although I would not refuse to at least touch this mysterious device)

[Alex_Rarog]

With software, I’m thousands of times better than with iron .... we drove the Linux kernel) and our programs write not a fig no worse than foreigners ...

[Each other]

The Defense Ministry even cannot properly equip military personnel without foreign accessories, and here such a loud statement. The fact that Russian companies supply components does not yet make these components fully Russian. Yes, and the price-quality ratio will clearly not benefit from the qualities. never in favor of price Name at least a Russian company capable of producing batteries for these "domestic" computers?

[yehat]

Battery

Central Design Bureau Rubin recently completed testing of new batteries
http://xn--80aaxridipd.xn--p1ai/litievye-batarei-
dlya-podlodok-proshli-ispytaniya /
each costs 300 million rubles.
I won’t be surprised if this is included.

[Each other]

And how much will the cart cost them?

[sogdy]

Quote: Saling

MO can’t even properly equip military personnel without foreign fittings

I caught a soldier, staring ... Do not tell me where to look? And then he will soon begin to scream about harassment

[Each other]

Look closely at the fittings. . Zippers YKK, Velcro Velcro.

[sogdy]

Quote: Saling

Zippers YKK, Velcro Velcro.

And with what manuals with such persistence do you write off?
YKK zippers have been manufactured in the RSFSR since 1976. And the last 10 years are not marked if it says something to you.
I didn’t see Velcro on my everyday.

[sogdy]

Quote: Saling

Name at least a Russian company capable of producing batteries for these "domestic" computers?

What is European production?
Well, Europeans use Indian, Chinese and Russian elements. And in Canada, the production belongs to the Chinese ...
And yes, in everyday life we ​​buy re-export. And we are surprised that their ranks coincide so well with ours.

[Each other]

"And you have blacks lynched" And where do the Europeans? The article is not about European, but about "completely domestic" computers.

[yehat]

I do not quite understand why to do completely domestic computers.
Nowadays, products are often a wide range of items.
we do not have much to reproduce the whole spectrum without consequences
but it’s possible types of items that are easy to replace, but not very profitable to produce,
buy somewhere? And leave for yourself only those types of products for the supply of which our production is most sensitive or which are profitable to do.
in this regard, cooperation with non-gold billion countries is quite good and they are quite normal in the Russian Federation:
Argentina, India, China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Mongolia, etc.
This will allow the formation of trade with a sufficiently wide range for the development of the economy and industry. And then all that is needed is a sane investment and life will get better.
But no, we have a special way! We will completely make our nanophone with the price of a tank and the capabilities of a bar of soap. How embarrassing I was to look at the economic cretinism that was going on around me. Our economy is inefficient, because 80% of the economy works through Zh. And who is to blame - Putin, Chubais, Gaidar, Edro, the Russian mentality, etc. etc.
Not so important anymore. I can only add that in the hands / power of complete mediocrity, insignificance and kleptomaniacs, whose knowledge about the organization of production is equivalent to 1 book for kindergarten, concentrated more than 70% of the resources used for production.

for especially spiteful ura-pidriots, I want to remind you that import substitution is not a substitute for common sense with a slogan.

[Each other]

Well, we already made engines for planes, helicopters and missiles in cooperation with Ukraine. And if tomorrow the war begins?

[yehat]

engine in cooperation can be done in different ways
if bolts, paints and hoses for engines were made in Ukraine, we would be on the drum whether they want to cooperate or not. And so, in Ukraine there was know-how, which was problematic to replace and in which we invested a considerable amount of funds.

[Each other]

On the topic of bolts from Ukraine, there is an excellent Marshak’s poem for small children:
There was no nail
The horseshoe is gone.
There was no horseshoe -
The horse limped.
The horse limped -
Commander Killed.
The cavalry is defeated -
Army Runs.
The enemy enters the city,
Captive not sparing
Because in the forge
There was no nail.
My comment on fittings for military uniforms, see above.

[sogdy]

With accessories, you completely lied.
Like about batteries.
If from childhood: "Higher, higher, higher than the roof!" Jumping strengthens the legs and reduces mental activity.

[Each other]

Sorry, I, unlike you, do not practice Ukrainian techniques with jumping.

[Each other]

Especially for practicing horse racing to brain dullness. great post with great pics
https://twower.livejournal.com/1152682.html
YKK brand in all its glory

[sogdy]

Quote: Saling

livejournal.com

Hmm. The technique is not Ukrainian, but American. As well as the propaganda of "Chinese" and "Japanese" methods of healthy lifestyle. Like LV.

[Each other]

Well, excuse me by Japanese methods of healthy lifestyle and other "cucumber forces, I, unlike you, are not an expert, Well, and your" authoritative "conclusion is apparently - this is 100% reliable information.

[16112014nk]

Quote: yehat

bureaucrats do not care about the cost of production.

Anecdote in the topic:
"The draft of the new recoilless gun was rejected by officials - I did not like the principle of action."

[Geonezis]

It’s time to do everything your own. PC, software, server.

[iouris]

Quote: Geonezis

It’s time to do everything your own. PC, software, server.

From the very beginning it was time. Instead lay under the United States. Now, either on our knees, or getting up. But for now, all the information is under the control of Windows and Intel. Better go to typewriters.

[ivan19]

The good news is funny. From the import substitution there are only Almaz-Antey nameplates: we do not have our own production of element base (all from China, including Elbrus), the OS is turned Linux. It is converted, not redone.
If you bet itching at all, take an interest in the place of production of "domestic" Elbrus and Etaphone, well, and the composition of the packages in the same Alt Linux, from which they make the "domestic secure OS".

[thinker]

And each Vanya - a cloaker porter, imagines himself a computer guru.

GS Group announces mass production of its first in-house SSDs. The full production cycle was implemented in the Technopolis GS innovation cluster (GS Group investment project in the city of Gusev, Kaliningrad region.), the capacity of which allows to produce more than 1 million devices per year. Until the end of 2018, GS Group will launch a line of solid-state drives with a capacity of up to 1 TB for various applications.

[ivan19]

Iksperdy, teach your wife to cook borscht :) How these “innovative projects” of yours are implemented in terms of “we take hardware and software IBM, we mold nameplates and sell as a domestic product” I know, I saw and felt live (apparently, unlike you) .
What Linux is and from what end it chews - I also know. I suggest explaining particularly stubbornly from what place Firefox is a “domestic product”? Go look at the registry of the Ministry of Communications;) There is such a thing - Alt Linux. Fierce refuge - for those who are not in the know. As well as aster :) As well as the "special OS for the FSSP of the Russian Federation", which, de facto, CentOS with fashionable and other wallpaper.
Boys, go girls on the ears ride. I’m talking only about the fact that “import substitution” despite the fact that reports from the command center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, where the Wenda stands on computers using American technologies based on the Chinese element base, is idiocy :) What is import substitution when there is no own electronic industry? Institutes involved in the OS and application software? :) I xs, who have been there for many years - I personally found the DVK-2M with RT-11, the system was excellent. Where is both? :)
I get a salary for a "computer guru," and you, a mega-thinker, what are you doing, except how you gassing a puddle of idiocy about CS Group? The equipment on which it is made - whose? Recall how the story ended with the ships suddenly left without engines after 2014? :)
Touching stupid children, rude to strangers :)

[sogdy]

Quote: ivan19

take an interest in the place of production of "domestic" Elbrus and Etaphone, well, and the composition of the packages in the same Alt Linux, from which they make the "domestic protected OS".

What a funny guru.
The iPhone wasn’t _our_. Elbrus is made in the same place as large Elbrus and external BESM devices. Alas, this is in the center of the country, and not abroad.
Linux OS is determined not by bells and whistles, but by a kernel oriented to a specific hardware. And the "bells and whistles" are determined by kernel compatibility. By the way, upsalyutna is similar to Windows, Unix and many other systems. For example, my PC-Unix runs on Win (not Wine), a subset of System V that does not consider itself a Unix. Anglo-Italian machines prefer the Basic System, a Unix-like. Its truncated version was on Sinclair. For information, in the _ international_ projects OS \ 360, OS \ 370 and OS \ 380, our state actively participated and has all the rights to the product. As with the Australian Unix.

[yehat]

all that is required of the OS is not exclusivity at all, but the fulfillment of the basic requirements for it, including data protection, and the absence of any kind of trojans that can break its work. And to whom it belongs is not important. If melkosoft will release this, you can use this. But since the situation is different, we have to do it ourselves. Well, the presence of the software market is a useful plus, because easier and much cheaper to use.
in this sense, China does not help us weakly. Just in this area, our defense industry has more or less good prospects.

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

all that is required of the OS is not exclusivity at all, but the fulfillment of the basic requirements for it, including data protection, and the absence of any kind of trojans that can break its work.

Oppa! In Russian - exchange management programs. PUB. We return to the "Minsk".

[ivan19]

Who it belongs to is important. Linux is a great thing, I use it myself. However, talking about "domestic production" can only and exclusively from the point of view of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. In fact, there is nothing domestic there, altos (and others), without straining, collect standard packages with a standard compiler in their build system. For the most part there is no "domestic" nichrome - and even the domestic that is there, I believe, is also not completely "domestic".
China helps itself and no one else. Doubters - read the story.
If we are talking about the defense industry, you need to use YOUR OWN, and not what "is on the market." Again - a “desert storm” and the story of blocking Baghdad’s air defense.

[Sam_gosling]

Heh. Something recalled the news from his native enterprise, when in 16 bought servers from HP through a laying company. This little “horns and hooves” bug stuck ente badges (new technologies) instead of the HCHP badges. Imported, welded and even damned am allowed to earn.

[Sam_gosling]

And here is what import substitution looks like.

[Irokez]

You specifically photographed this in the 16th year, to put it here in the 18th?

[Sam_gosling]

Like something bad.

[sogdy]

Quote: Sam_gosling

Like something bad.

Yes. Because you could not buy Hipu in any other way. And NT - I suspect she is still older than you.
In the photo there are screws and cartridges. Cartridges can only be labeled Olivetti or NT. Hippies from the USSR and the Russian Federation never traded.

[ivan19]

Yes, nonsense, HP is inside. I saw similar things from Cisco and IBM :) The nameplates are re-glued, the whole "domestic production" consists in registering an LLC with an authorized capital of 10K rubles and a screwdriver assembly from "car kits".
All the "import substitution" in terms of electronics in our country is pure pear and nothing more. Mr. Peskov’s statement about the transition of government agencies from ms ofez to “myofez” hints at this “kagbe”: “first let them come up with a better way, and then we'll see.”
Yesicho, the law recognizing ODF as a standard document format in government agencies dates back, since it didn’t beat me at all, a year or so, 2012. Has anyone seen OpenOffice / LibreOffice at least in tax? :) How do you like ANY government agency "to provide documents in the MS Office format"?
Here is an "import substitution", yes.

[sogdy]

Quote: ivan19

Yes, nonsense, HP is inside.

Quote: sogdy

Hippies from the USSR and the Russian Federation never traded.

[Kent0001]

Lama price one and a half budget money? Or am I still too optimistic?

[BAI]

Well, which of these enterprises makes processors and memory? (I'm talking about domestic components).
Domestic manufacturers of electronic components:

Manufacturer Comments
Aurora-ELMA Company LLC Aurora-ELMA is the largest industrial producer of piezoceramic materials and elements in Russia.
ADV-Engineering ADV-Engineering Company: engineering services, IIBVI group semiconductor materials, alloys, thermoelectric materials and thermoelectric modules. Address: 119017 Moscow,
AZR OJSC "Arzamas Radio Parts Plant". Resistors
Amphi-Lacond Manufacturer of film and metal-paper capacitors. AOZT Amfi-Lakond. 1
BMG-Quartz Manufacturer of quartz resonators and oscillators. 1u
VNIIR All-Russian Research, Design and Technological Institute of Relocation with pilot production. 428000, Cheboksary,
Research Institute "HIRICOND" OJSC "Research Institute" HIRICOND "Russia, 194223 St. Petersburg, Produces ionizers K58-1, K58-5, K58-6.
ELECON Manufacturer of various connectors. 420094 Kazan,
Emerald Transformers, chokes. OJSC Izumrud Plant Address: 355008, city of Stavropol, ul.
INDICATOR Indicator, a branch of the Volga Research Institute, develops and produces in small series: vacuum-luminescent and liquid-crystal indicators, integrated control circuits for indicators, display units. Address: 410052, Saratov,
Irkutsk Relay Plant OJSC Irkutsk Relay Plant - produces electromagnetic relays, connectors, connectors and switches. 664075, Irkutsk,.

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ISET Open Joint-Stock Company Ural Plant of Electrical Connectors Iset is a specialized enterprise for the development and production of electrical connectors. RUSSIA, 623425, Sverdlovsk Region, Kamensk-Uralsky,
Cascade OJSC "Cascade" - production of connectors. 369000, Russia, Karachay-Cherkess Republic of Cherkessk,
KERMET OJSC "Kermet" - 16 types of fixed and adjustable wire resistors, sets of resistors and assemblies based on them. 442250, Russia, Belinsky, Penza Region
COMET FSUE "KOMETA", better known as the Novosibirsk precision engineering plant, "Tochmash". 630015, Russia,

Contact High-quality wire, variable, permanent, cermet, film resistors of various designs and ratings. 424026, Republic of Mari El, Yoshkar-Ola, near
Krypton switches, buttons. 111024, Moscow,
Magneto-Contact LLC Scientific-Production Association ╚Magneto-Contact╩. 390027 Russia, Ryazan, uMakes reed switches, ionistors, wires.
Mezon Mezon Plant OJSC is the oldest producer of tantalum and combined capacitors in Russia. Mezon Plant OJSC 194044, Russia, St. Petersburg,
Meteor OJSC Meteor plant produces quartz and crystal oscillators. 404130, Russia, Volgograd Region, Volsky,

MORION OJSC MORION - (St. Petersburg) is the largest plant in the CIS for the development and production of quartz piezoelectric products: quartz oscillators, filters, resonators.
MOSCABELMET Manufacturer of wires and cables. CJSC ⌠MOSKABELMET ■. Russia, 111024, Moscow,
MELZ Moscow Electric Lamp Plant (MELZ) - PMT, EOP, MCP, etc. 105023, Moscow, at
MARY Produces single and multi-element photodiodes. 194223, St. Petersburg

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NIIEMP NIIEMP makes: resistors, sets of resistors, thermistors, vacuum devices. Address: Russia, 440000, Penza, st. Karakozova 44. Tel/fax [phone]-25, telex 155267 "Grove". e-mail : [email protected]
Oxid Federal State Unitary Enterprise ╚Novosibirsk Plant of Radio Components ╚Oxid╩. Capacitors, inductors. Russia, 630102, Novosibirsk, st. Kirova, 82 Phone: [phone], 66-72-34, 66-73-23, 66-11-50 Fax: [phone], 66-35- 86. Email: [email protected]
ONIIP FSUE Omsk Research Institute of Instrument Engineering develops and manufactures quartz resonators, generators, filters. Russia, 644009, Omsk, Maslennikova st., 231; tel. [phone], fax: [phone]. Email: [email protected]
OPEC The main direction of the company is electrical capacitors and non-linear semiconductor resistors. 194223, St. Petersburg, st. Kurchatova, 10 tel./fax: [phone] e-mail: [email protected]
ORZEP Reed switches, lamps, indicators. 302020, Orel, Naugorskoe shosse, 5; Email: [email protected]; TTY: 148139; Telegraph: Orel-20 "ELECTRON"; tel: [phone]
PLAZMA Research Institute of Gas Discharge Devices "PLAZMA" is the main supplier of gas lasers, spark gaps and thyratrons, gas discharge panels (HIP) for information display devices on the market of Russia and neighboring countries. Russian Federation, 390023, Ryazan, st. Tsiolkovsky, 24. Tel: [phone] (external marketing department), [phone] (internal sales department); fax: [phone]; (e-mail): [email protected]
Pleskava OJSC ⌠Pskov Radio Parts Plant ⌠Pleskava ■ - ceramic and tuning capacitors. Russia, 180007, Pskov, ul. Gorky, 1, E: mail: pzrpskov @ el [cut out (read the rules)]
PMZR CJSC First Moscow Radio Parts Plant - resistors, magnetically controlled circuits (1116 series). Russia, 123060, Moscow, 1st Volokolamskiy proezd, building 10. Phones: 194-00-83, 194-05-33 Fax: [phone]
Polycond Ryazan, production of capacitors. Marketing department [phone]b e-mail: [email protected]
POTENTIAL Ltd. "Potential" - wiring accessories and non-wire resistors. 425350 RUSSIA, Republic of Mari El, Kozmodemyansk, Yubileynaya st., 15, phone: [phone], 7-12-61, 9-53-73, phone/fax 7-55-43 , E-mail: [email protected]
Progress Electroceramic, radioceramic materials, insulators, wiring accessories and piezoceramics, high-voltage ceramic capacitors. 169336, Republic of Komi, city of Ukhta, pos. Vodny, Lenin street, 5A [email protected]
Resistor-NN Resistors S2-29V, S2-29S, S2-29M, S2-33N, R1-8, R1-8MP, R1-3. 603104, Russia, Nizhny Novgorod, st. medical, 26, tel/fax [phone], E-mail:[email protected]
Rekond Rekond - produces capacitors, resistors, optoelectronics, hybrid microcircuits. AOOT REKOND, RADIOELECTRONIC COMPONENTS PLANT, Russia, 194223, St. Petersburg, ul. Kurchatov, 10. Tel. [phone], fax [phone]
OJSC "Relay" Starodubsky plant "Relay" produces relays RKM-1, RKMP, RKMP-1, RKMP-2, RSCh-52, RS-52, RV-5A, RP-4, RP-5, RP-7, RES -55, RES-42, RES-43, RES-44, REV-18, REV-20, REC-32-1, REC-32-2, REC-34, REC-28. 243240, Starodub, Bryansk region, st. Kalinina, 15. Phones: (08348) 2-25-59 - sales department (fax), (08348) 2-25-65 reception (fax).
REOM SPb The company is located in St. Petersburg and specializes in the development and supply of various types of resistors. Phones/faxes: [phone]; 387-86-94; 327-96-60. Email: [email protected]
Resource Fixed Resistors. 301830, Russia, Tula region, Bogoroditsk, Zavodskoy pr., 2, tel: [phone]; 2-27-96; 2-12-62; 2-14-64,
RZMKP Ryazan plant of ceramic-metal devices, produces reed switches, reed relays, ionistors, various sensors. 390027, Ryazan, st. New, 51. Phones: reception: [phone], marketing department: [phone], fax: [phone], e-mail: [email protected]
Svetlana AO ветSvetlana╩ - Electrical products
Severnaya Zarya JSC "Severnaya Zarya" is the largest developer and manufacturer of low-current electromagnetic relays in Russia and the CIS. Address: Kantemirovskaya st., 7, St. Petersburg, 194100, Russia. Phone: [phone], fax: [phone]. e-mail:[email protected]
SKZ Severozadonsk Capacitor Plant, produces various types of capacitors (electrolytic, film ...). 301790 Russia, Tula region, Severo-Zadonsk, st. Michurina, 1. Tel: [phone]; e-mail: [email protected], faxes [phone], (08746) 5-75-45
Smolensky Radio Parts Plant AOOT Smolensky Radio Parts Plant - buttons, toggle switches, switches. Address: 214020, Russia, Smolensk, ul. Grandmother, d. 7.
TORIUM FSUE "NPP" TORIUM "- powerful microwave devices, one of the world leaders in the design and manufacture of electrovacuum devices. 117393 Moscow st. Obrucheva d. 52. FSUE NPP Toriy, tel. [phone], fax. [phone]
LLC "TransLed" LLC "TransLed" is a representative of the electronic industry plants of the Novgorod region, and also carries out its own and shared production of transformers and LEDs. 173016, Russia, Veliky Novgorod, Grigorovskoe shosse, 14A, office 609. Tel./Fax [phone]. Email: [email protected]
UKRPIEZO JSCo Produces quartz resonators, oscillators and reclosing filters. Ukraine, 257236, Cherkasy, Sumgaitskaya 10. Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]. E-mail: [email protected]
Ferropribor OJSC "FERROPRIBOR" is the largest Russian manufacturer of ferrites, ferrite magnets, ferrite microwave devices, magnetodielectric materials. Phone/Fax [phone] E-mail [email protected]
FOMOS LLC "Fomos-Technology" - development and production of quartz piezo filters. Leading manufacturer of filters. Russia, Moscow, 105023, st. Buzheninova, 16; tel: [phone]; fax: [phone]; e-mail: [email protected]; Website: www.fomos-t.ru
Fonon OAO ■Fonon■ - development, manufacture and supply of quartz oscillators and resonators. Moscow, 107076, Krasnobogatyrskaya, 44. Tel: [phone]. Fax: [phone]. Email [email protected]
EKRAN OAO "Novosibirsk Plant EKRAN" is one of the main manufacturers of image intensifier tubes of the "zero" generation in Russia and abroad. Faxes: 630047 (8) 8, 3832, 286310, 286314 E-mail: [email protected]
ELEKOM CJSC "Elekom" - wire-wound resistors. Russian Federation, Penza, st. Austrina 129D Postal address: Russian Federation, 440020, Penza, st. Karakozova, 44 Commercial department: (841-2) 64-17-72. Fax: [phone] E-mail: [email protected], [email protected]
Elecond JSC "Elecond" is one of the main manufacturers of aluminum, niobium and tantalum capacitors. 427900 Udmurt Republic, Sarapul, st. Kalinina, d.3. Tel.fax [phone], 4-32-48. Email [email protected]
NPP "ELKO" The enterprise is engaged in scientific and design developments in the field of capacitor building, as well as the production of capacitors for individual orders in batches from several pieces to several thousand pieces. NPP "ELKO", Moscow region, Serpukhov, Borisovskoe highway, 17, tel/fax [phone], 73-60-88, [email protected]
ELKOD ZAO ╚ELKOD╩ - (Petersburg) development and production of capacitors.
ElPA LLC "SKTB ElPA": Quartz, thermosensitive, manometric resonators, piezoelectric elements, resonators-acceleration sensors, pressure and temperature transducers. 152613 Russia, Uglich, Yaroslavl region, Rybinskoe highway, 20-b tel./fax: + 7-(08532) 533-53; 546-74 Email. mail: [email protected]

[Irokez]

Dear list, not complete. They did a bad job. Add to the list.
Voronezh for some reason is not present.

[BAI]

If this is about the Voronezh Semiconductor Devices Plant-Assembly, then it also does not do processors and memory.

[Irokez]

Quote: BAI

If this is about the Voronezh Semiconductor Devices Plant-Assembly, then it also does not do processors and memory.

Have you listed all military enterprises on your list and even closed and secret ones that few people know about?

[Alex koch]

But what about Micron and Angstrom?

[yehat]

why continue? there’s a list.
but the problem is different. I was faced with the fact that most industries are not at all eager to increase volumes or modernize production for various reasons.
Somewhere this is the lack of sales guarantees, somewhere local expansion problems for various reasons, somewhere apathy or other disadvantages of management, somewhere financial difficulties or departmental rules. But the fact is that the vast majority of enterprises in the list do not behave dynamically and are not very willing to change production parameters, essentially failing to diversify production as a result. This is now the main problem.

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

I was faced with the fact that most industries are not at all eager to increase volumes or modernize production for various reasons.

So that's it personally? Why did you need this? And what could you offer them?

[yehat]

I didn’t look - I just worked in a company that needs suppliers of components
and about 15 managers there were engaged in negotiations with suppliers, voiced the most hellish problems.

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

I didn’t look - I just worked in a company,

And yet, why do you think that for me the opinion of a cleaning lady is authoritative?

Quote: sogdy

So that's it personally? Why did you need this? And what could you offer them?

With what fright would someone start something for a small party? Yes, and without a contract?
You didn’t offer to supply a workshop, equipment, materials. A freebie is not for us.

[Falcond]

In these matters, we have a "stone age"

[Falcond]

VNIIRA has practically completed the creation of a personal computer, which is completely created on the domestic component base - from the case to the microcircuits. We will be ready to fully provide the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Emergency Situations with this equipment,

It is interesting how many people will be required and on which ABS they will be transported ??

[Sadko88]

If you suffer for a long time, something will turn out

[sharp-lad]

Bekashka! Dear! The only computer in the company of which I felt like a PROGRAMMER!

[sogdy]

Quote: sharp-lad

The only computer in the company of which I felt like a PROGRAMMER!

Comp, from which I realized that Row-3 I hate.

[groks]

It seems to me that a couple of times have created such a computer. Right over the last year. Why is it suddenly again? Yes, it is still unknown why VNIIR got involved in the matter. And the Elbrus people who have been screaming for so long?

[sogdy]

Quote: groks

It seems to me that a couple of times have created such a computer. Right over the last year. Why is it suddenly again? Yes, it is still unknown why VNIIR got involved in the matter.

And many more times they will write. And who just does not try to wedge. And the real manufacturer will remain incognito, as with the Chinese miniPI.

[Dikson]

.. and so that the boards are flooded with a compound - like on a ZAS .. - neither dirt nor water .. - generally nichrome does not affect the work ..))

[Each other]

Nah then burn out

[midshipman]

This is the second article on this topic. I will open the curtain. In my country, the Elbrus computer was created in the Main Directorate of the MPI of the USSR. Chief Designer USSR Academy of Sciences was. His deputy is also a major scientist. With these ZVM (completely on the domestic electric base and with our software), all gearboxes of all types of aircraft were equipped. The manufacturer was the Zagorsk Radio Plant. JSC "VNIIRA" (so correctly called) issued the first copies of this machine. It is extremely necessary in the troops, at airfields, in simulators. I have the honor.

[BAI]

The manufacturer was the Zagorsk Radio Plant.

Zagorsk Electromechanical Plant. It seems that he also had his own name - "Star" and, of course, "mailbox".

[bk316]

JSC "VNIIRA" (so correctly called) issued the first copies of this machine.

Boris Artashesovich would be surprised, but he thought he was working in ITMiVT ....
And Vsevolod Sergeevich (this is the same member) would be surprised that the first Elbrus in St. Petersburg was collected and not on Leninsky Prospekt. By the way, the control module is still there (in the museum). At least in January he was still standing.

[tractor driver73]

I wonder what it will be created on. On the tank, armored personnel carrier or KAMAZ?

[TOR2]

In discussions, an erroneous opinion about the performance of a PC for official use skips. Some utilities load iron no worse than toys. For example, you need not 5 or 10, but 300 or 3000 options, and not after 5 minutes, but right now.
As for the OS, it would be nice to turn the non-domestic Phantom system. This is not a derivative of something. The kernel of the OS is completely domestic. The system is not afraid of emergency shutdowns. Instantaneous power outage - and the disk simply remains the last agreed state of the system before the power surge, and as soon as electricity appears, the system boots up almost instantly (you do not need a long initialization phase of everything and everything) and will continue to work again from the place it stopped - this is not no additional procedures and efforts are required. Well, what is not an option for MO.
With regard to assessing the effectiveness of enterprises operating in this industry, it should first of all be determined by successes in the civil sector. If products begin to crowd competitors, then the enterprise is working efficiently. Then there will not be these sky-high prices for the defense sector.

[yehat]

the problem of implementation is on a scale.
small batch products, even good ones, are too expensive.
Americans or Chinese can build any standard they choose at the expense of a bottomless budget, and we do not always have such an opportunity.

[bk316]

As for the OS, it would be nice to turn the non-domestic Phantom system.

So it actually is not there yet. Moreover, there is no software for it.

[bk316]

Somehow I’m even ashamed of the VO community.
I'm not even talking about shkolota, competing in wit like "but this is a cart to transport batteries for your phone." Such as tractor drivers and falcons will always be, it’s a shame that quite mature people write all kinds of garbage about 1000 managers or write about sticker labels. I would like to give them an excursion to the Angstrom or introduce them to people who rebuilt linuh for the warrior.

[SAF]

Quote: Geonezis

It’s time to do everything your own. PC, software, server.

In 1980 he entered the active military service.
To the department of so-called mathematicians.
I saw it live and worked for several years and could work on the domestic MINSK-32.
With a magnetic drum, NMLs, perforators, etc.
But even then, at the beginning of 1980, they mounted a miracle of technology - the EU-1035 clone (maybe not quite) IBM-360
And the software and translations went English - then the USSR surrendered to the adversary technique and software.
I didn’t give up - but I began to use it.
Having abandoned his achievements ......

[sogdy]

Quote: yehat

it is a matter of planning. there is no critical difference in which climate, where production and production volumes are much more important. Of course, the cost of electronics production is higher than in Hong Kong or Shanghai, and at least 2 times, but if the volumes are significant, then this is normal.

Finally, these are two separate points.
1) "The question of planning" - apparently, you have an economic education? For planning has an object and a subject, but there is no question.
2) You are slightly mistaken. The experience of the USSR and the latest with amazing stubbornness claim that the cost is an order of magnitude higher. For a theoretical economist: 10-99 times.
3) In Hong Kong and Shanghai, I am not aware of new production besides auxiliary and second stage. These microchips are clearly not baking. Do you know anything about vacuum hygiene? Have crystalline quartz been baked at least once? germanium? - This is a school lab course.

Well, now try to develop your idea, adjusted for what the interlocutors know about building and organizing production from scratch, and not theoretically.

[sogdy]

Quote: Saling

Well, excuse me by the Japanese methods of healthy lifestyle and other "cucumber forces, I, unlike you, am not an expert, Well, your" authoritative "conclusion is probably 100% reliable information. Laughing

according to the methods - it’s not we who brought them, it’s yours.
according to the "authoritative conclusion" - is it a program failure? So I have not made a single conclusion - only a statement of your not knowing and your big words, distorted from the already distorted information of non-specialists.

[Each other]

No need to ascribe to me what you yourself have invented.
And your so-called "statement" by nothing. except your fantasies not backed up. Not a single fact. Words alone.