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What if you organize ... race "boxes out of the soap"?

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We have many people who love to speculate about how little, they say, in our country today is being done to educate the younger generation. There are no school circles, no centers for children's technical creativity, no dancing, no songs, no swimming, no races on maps - nothing! Solid gateways, beer, glue and drugs. Awful! “Russia has perished! Here before ... ”I, however, see another picture. Next to my house is one such children's center. My granddaughter went there and practiced there both dancing and clay modeling. And there were as many as two music schools, clubs in schools, in our pool "Sura", located in the very center of the city, in the morning if you come, then ... you can deaf from the splash of children swimming in it. Just some kind of water fury: seven tracks from 10 are occupied by children of different ages and they all swim like an hour to and fro. Then they launch new ones all the time. By 7-10 children on one track. Sometimes five. In the class where my granddaughter is studying, I taught technical creativity from the first to the fourth, and how much we all did there ...


What if you organize ... race "boxes out of the soap"?

A modern “soap box” cannot be called a box ...

Want something more? I agree! But you can come up with a lot of things, and most importantly put your hands on what you would like to achieve, and don’t wait for the “top” to come and solve all the problems you see.

One of the ideas I personally do not give rest for a long time, but little by little, and to solve it, my hands will reach.

And it was like this that in 1956, in the USSR, we published the book by the children’s writer N. Kalmy “Children of Mustard Paradise” about the plight of ordinary people in America. I read it somewhere in 1964, and I remember well that I just really liked it, and, by the way, it is on the Internet, where you can read it today and even listen to it. In some ways a very fun book. In it, for example, at the end provides an explanation of such words as "hobby", "business", which later became familiar to us. And then it was from this book that I learned about the “tobacco boxes” races popular among American boys. Described in the novel, these same "boxes", and in fact, the very real racing cars, were very detailed. And I immediately wanted to do the same. But ... in the position I was much worse than the most deprived black children of the United States - they had something to make such a car, but I have nothing to do. Neither me nor my comrades down the street.


Here is this book from my childhood.

In 1968, I already read about how to make such a car in the magazine Modelist Designer. It was also written there that such cars are simpler karts, they do not need engines and fuel, that they are noiseless and environmentally friendly, so they can be raced anywhere where there are streets with a large slope. And just here in Penza there are a lot of such streets, so our city is just the perfect place to hold competitions of such gravitational cars. That is, the idea in the USSR was recognized as sensible, but for some reason did not receive incarnation either at that time or subsequently. Meanwhile, these races, as well as the construction of such a car - an excellent means of developing children's technical creativity and training future drivers.

Well, ah история Soap Box Racing began in 1904, in Germany, where the first self-made car race for children was held in the city of Frankfurt.

But its name - “the race of the boxes from the soap” (Soapbox Derby) - these competitions received only in 1933 year. This name was invented by the photographer of the Dayton Daily News, Myron Scott from Ohio, who once saw children making their cars from plywood packing boxes for soap, troughs and children's baths and riding them along steep city streets. He decided to write a report about it, and when he wrote, he immediately understood that there was a real “gold mine” in front of him. After all, this was the time of the Great Depression. People simply had no money for expensive entertainment. And here you and technical creativity, and excitement - all together! In addition, Scott liked the democratism and entertainment of these competitions: after all, the machines did not require engines, the materials were quite accessible, and the results depended solely on the engineering talents and driving skills of the little boy sitting in the cockpit. Therefore, he took the initiative to hold such competitions on an official basis and achieved that in the same year they were held in Daytona, in which more than 300 “soap boxes” took part. That is, his idea was a success!

In 1934, the restless Mayron Scott managed to organize the national championship “Soapbox Derby” in Daytona. However, next year they were transferred to Akron. Moreover, the city authorities were pleased with the results of this event, which even identified a real race track for them.

Since then, the city of Akron in the United States has become the real capital of the races of "tobacco boxes" - and here the winners of championships from different countries and states of America began to meet each year, and where they determined the absolute world champion.


Winner of Soapbox-derby 1934 of the year.

The peak of the popularity of these contests fell on 1950 – 1960-ies, when the Chevrolet car company became their sponsor. Movie and television stars didn’t stop appearing on them, and supporting small athletes from 11 – 15 years sometimes came before 70 000 people. However, in the 70 of the last century, this championship gradually lost its popularity. Why did this happen?

The reason is trivial and very simple: over time, after feeling the smell of big money, adults came to the sport, and they ruined everything. To win, they began to hire professional engineers and build cutting-edge expensive cars. Fraud cases have also become more frequent: after all, where there is a tote, it is inevitable. So, in 1973, fourteen-year-old Jimmy Gronen lost the champion's title two days after the final race, when his car was illuminated with X-rays and found that there was an electromagnet in front of his car. At the start, he turned on and pulled his “soap box” to the metal platform, located at the beginning of the route, which gave the car an additional impetus. The author of the invention, uncle and official guardian of the failed champion Robert Lange, was held responsible for assisting in this crime.

Well, as soon as the races from a unique and fascinating family show turned into another and very expensive hobby for adult eccentrics, Chevrolet refused to finance them. There was even a new direction - the creation of super-perfect “cars” without an engine and a new kind of competition with them - “Extreme gravity races”. The price for them has become just beyond the limit. Only one hydrocarbon fiber for one of these machines cost 15000 $ and about the same amount went to the wheels and everything else. But their mass with the usual races of "boxes" was simply incomparable.


Tobacco Box Races in Oklahoma.

Chances to return this mass sport to its former popularity appeared in 2000, when it was included in the program of the famous show of historical cars, which was held by the Red Bull brewing company. This event annually gathers more than 100 000 viewers. Therefore, in order to increase the entertainment and attractiveness of competitions, everything possible was done. For example, for races of 2004, a ramp was built with a height of 4,5 meters and a length of 23 meters, which turned into a hundred-meter asphalt line. The track was fenced with straw chippers. It was not so easy to carry out a soapbox in a straight line: control with the help of flexible weights required considerable strength and a good feeling of the track. But then the story repeated: every year the “soap cases” became more and more difficult, more expensive, and gradually the competitions lost their appeal, so these races were the last.

But now they are once again being held in Luxembourg, and even with great success! So, 2011 children's cars made of wood and metal took part in the 33 races of the year. The drivers were between 10 and 16 years old, and they competed in two categories: speed and slalom. Then the audience (and in total in the Luxembourg town of Differdange they gathered about three thousand) chose the most beautiful “box”.

It remains to be noted that the race "boxes of soap" is a very useful thing for children, and in all respects. Racing participants build their carts on their own (in the US, of course, you can buy a set-designer, but you still need to assemble at least one of its parts). Since there is no engine, and avtomobilchiki move under the slope under the influence of gravity, then when descending from a good slide accelerate to 50-70 km / h, but no more, so serious accidents are excluded. At first glance, the organization of the route is a big problem. However, nothing particularly difficult is required of her - the most common asphalt and the presence of a noticeable slope - that's all, to hold these competitions. And abroad, they are often timed to coincide with the holiday of the city and are the reason for advertising drinks and food. All this is of great interest to sponsors, not to mention the obvious need to develop children's technical creativity in our country and to distract children from idle pastime!


The poor, destitute Negro in his "box".

As for the design, the basic requirements for the "box" are reduced to having a steering wheel, brakes and a helmet on the driver's head. Accidents and other injuries happen very rarely - small wheels do not travel well on off-road, so if such a “car” moves to the side of the road, it loses speed very quickly. It is also quite difficult for him to tip over, because he has a large turning radius and the center of gravity is very low. Mutual collisions do not pose a danger, because the speed of the competing vehicles is about the same and they travel in the same direction.

Even the minimum and maximum weight of the little car can be limited, since the heavier car accelerates faster. But the main thing is, of course, the absence of an engine. Therefore, there is no noise or smelly exhaust on the track, as a result of which these races can be held literally in the city center.

The number of wheels may be regulated, but in any case there cannot be less than three and more than four. Start of cars is made from a special ramp - a platform which is lifted by a jack from the side of the road, preventing the cars from rolling down. When it starts, it lowers and the cars begin to move.

In winter, of course, it is unwise to ride, but if someone is interested in this idea, then during the winter cars can be built, and competitions can be held in spring or summer. Some difficulty is the transportation of such a machine to the place of competition, but if there is no car, then it can even be towed on a string, or it can be taken to a place by taxi with a roof rack.

Well, the stations of young technicians or schools always have places where such cars can be built and stored.

So why should the activists of the children's patriotic upbringing simply not take, and not start to break through the idea of ​​“soapbox racing” in their city? And spend them on the Day of the city! Usually, for such an event, neither the governors, nor the mayors, nor the candidates for governors and mayors, nor the candidates to the Duma, spare any money. So you should tell them: “Here lies your popularity, idiot! Children are your future electorate, not your son. Think! ”Look, it will be possible in one place, our media, constantly experiencing a shortage of positive information directly from Russia, will inflate this“ initiative ”and who knows, maybe your city, built on steep hills, will eventually turn into new“ New Vasyuki?
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  1. Vard
    Vard 10 March 2018 06: 38
    +6
    Our kids organize races on grocery carts ... By the way, it’s still a sight ... And several hundred people gather for the people ...
  2. Amurets
    Amurets 10 March 2018 06: 47
    +7
    But they recalled childhood. They also did something similar. Racing really did not suit, but it was a pleasure to ride from a hill with a breeze. Moreover, the slope is large and the turns are steep.
    1. Cat
      Cat 10 March 2018 07: 25
      +8
      It was recalled! There is more than enough mountains in my native Ural town, and there are more than enough mountains, slides and slopes. In winter, everything is clear sleds, fiber, skiing. There were snow scooters, but this is the pipe dream of a boy of my time. Although homemade sleds on fiber or a sheet of aluminum (stainless steel) in speed did any argomak at times.
      When summer came, the gimmick of inventing cunning is a poor zombie’s box of zombies resting. They took a garden wheelbarrow with one wheel or two wheels but a narrow base and made some semitrailer with a wide wheel base on motorcycle or moped wheels. Then this miracle was fastened together by a 50mm board and 28 mm bolts in diameter. From another board was made a saddle for the driver. And forward to the mountain. Competitions were held on the street. Ural according to the Olympic system of elimination. In the race participated no more than two monsters. Immediately came the realization that the more passengers in a large trolley the higher the speed and the easier it is to pull-push to drag it uphill. They were afraid to load the front trolley, the clunker was losing maneuverability, and it didn’t smell of asphalt on the hill. By the way, clunkers due to the sigmented articulated type were quite maneuverable. I remember the emotions of the sea!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 March 2018 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: Kotischa
        When summer came, the gimmick of inventing cunning is a poor zombie’s box of zombies resting. They took a garden wheelbarrow with one wheel or two wheels but a narrow base and made some semitrailer with a wide wheel base on motorcycle or moped wheels.

        Interesting design! yes
        It was easier for us: a wooden frame with large bearings, and the front axle rotated.
        The speed was very decent.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 10 March 2018 18: 02
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          It was easier for us: a wooden frame with large bearings, and the front axle rotated.

          we (my childhood passed in Alma-Ata) had the same
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 12 March 2018 02: 03
          +3
          Olgovich March 10, 2018 10:08
          It was easier for us: a wooden frame with large bearings, and the front axle rotated.
          The speed was very decent.

          I also rode on such a "car" (as we called them).
          But by the mid-70s, they had almost disappeared from use, probably they were replaced by bicycles. sad
          Here, I found a couple of photos on the network

          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 13 March 2018 06: 09
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            Quote: Freeman
            Olgovich March 10, 2018 10:08
            It was easier for us: a wooden frame with large bearings, and the front axle rotated.
            The speed was very decent.

            I also rode on such a "car" (as we called them).
            But by the mid-70s, they had almost disappeared from use, probably they were replaced by bicycles. sad
            Here, I found a couple of photos on the network


            Exactly she! About the 60s, 70s and I say.
            Thanks for the photos!. good hi
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 12 March 2018 15: 54
          +1
          scooters with 1 sub front in front + 2 sub rear
        4. Felix99
          Felix99 14 March 2018 10: 28
          +1
          Donetsk is the same, the roar of bearings on the asphalt, the result of a complaint from grannies and the Children's room of the police.
      2. Luga
        Luga 10 March 2018 12: 25
        +3
        Quote: Kotischa
        It was recalled!

        We also used everything that comes to hand. For example, I made my "car" from the remnants of a baby carriage and rolled down the hills, with my feet forward, as if on a sled. Others dismantled old children's bicycles, such as the Teddy Bear. Competitions were not arranged, but had fun from the heart. In our village there was one funniest hill - a descent to the lake, an asphalt road, and here, basically, they cut through it. The main thing is not to get under the car, because my cart did not have a steering wheel, and at first I somehow did not think about the brakes, and then decided that it would be even more fun without them. However, there were almost no cars then ...
        Many thanks to the author for awakening good memories. good
  3. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 March 2018 07: 34
    +3
    Everything is great! But our state has a good tradition - to intervene in any good undertaking, with the aim of regulating everything to the complete apathy of the ascetic. Vyacheslav Olegovich, here as a teacher, what percentage of the working time is spent writing various pieces of paper that no one needs, but should be, because they are a condition for the existence of a bureaucratic superstructure of the Ministry of Education?
    1. kalibr
      10 March 2018 07: 52
      +4
      Ha! What a chic subtitle. Now, in preparation for accreditation, 80% is usually the opposite. But "usually" was a long time ago.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 March 2018 18: 21
        +3
        Mom darling! PSU also has accreditation on the nose! I sympathize.
  4. XII Legion
    XII Legion 10 March 2018 08: 25
    +17
    Indeed, movement is life. And for children in particular.
    Well, who on what much.
    For example - stockings. I saw this, and once back in my childhood I skated.

    I didn’t know about races in tobacco boxes
    Super!
    Thanks to the author!
    1. Streletskos
      Streletskos 10 March 2018 09: 50
      +17
      It’s difficult to sit on it)
  5. Streletskos
    Streletskos 10 March 2018 09: 49
    +16
    Racing is generally a sweet deal for boys
    In blood
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 10 March 2018 10: 10
    +2
    Quote: V. Shpakovsky
    So why not activists of children's patriotic education just not take, and not start punching the idea of ​​"racing soap boxes" in their own city?

    At Shpak, as always, his head is turned on him by the adored West. laughing But remember the USSR-weak?

    And modern competitions:

    So you and your offer were a little late.
    1. Cat
      Cat 10 March 2018 11: 38
      +3
      But did many have such cars? Extreme shortage .......
      We had a similar machine in the whole alley in the amount of one piece. The ability to ride only on asphalt. Asphalt is only on the roads and near the district executive committee. But to get to it on this tatantas .... in principle, it’s not realistic. So like everyone else, reseeding from a children's bike to a teenager with a crowd rushed about on the bike around the district executive committee. Most interesting, no one drove us out of there. There, the elders rode on their maps and also without consequences! The only one by tacit consent was forbidden to ride mopeds and motorbikes there. And if some tried to break this rule, then the watchman and the administration drove them to the neck.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 10 March 2018 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: Kotischa
        The ability to ride only on asphalt. Asphalt is only on the roads and near the district executive committee.

        And you think that their cars in not asphalt - will go? laughing
      2. Alf
        Alf 10 March 2018 21: 07
        +2
        Quote: Kotischa
        But did many have such cars? Extreme shortage .......

        What? Deficit, and even utter? No need to tell tales. Rare, yes, expensive, yes, but not an absolute deficit. And whoever didn’t, could rent such a car for free in an amusement park for free. Usually, the passport details of the parent were given as collateral, and if the issuer was too lazy to write, they took the passport as collateral. And ride until your legs fall off. I personally had a card in my childhood, the same car, only without a body.
        1. Cat
          Cat 11 March 2018 08: 49
          +1
          I sincerely envy you!
          In my hometown Nizhny Sergi - there was no amusement park. So in the best case scenario, with my family, I went to the regional Sverdlovsk to the Malyshev TsPKiO once a year. So that there "free" was such a "happiness" I do not remember.
          1. Alf
            Alf 11 March 2018 20: 09
            +1
            Quote: Kotischa
            I sincerely envy you!
            In my hometown Nizhny Sergi - there was no amusement park. So in the best case scenario, with my family, I went to the regional Sverdlovsk to the Malyshev TsPKiO once a year. So that there "free" was such a "happiness" I do not remember.

            Maybe ! In Kuibyshev, my native, in Gagarin’s Park, in the Zagorodny Park and in the Park of the 60th anniversary of the Komsomol, this happened, and it was for free. And where will the parent go in case of corruption, the data is something, here they are, forcibly subtracted.
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 12 March 2018 02: 19
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Kotischa
          But did many have such cars? Extreme shortage .......

          What? Deficit, and even utter? No need to tell tales. Rare, yes, expensive, yes, but not an absolute deficit.
          And whoever didn’t, could rent such a car for free in an amusement park for free. Usually, the passport details of the parent were given as collateral, and if the issuer was too lazy to write, they took the passport as collateral. And ride until your legs fall off. I personally had a card in my childhood, the same car, only without a body.

          At the expense of "free" is not sure. In the Moscow "Sokolniki", in the 70s, there was the so-called "Children's Circuit". Fenced area with paved walkways, equipped with road markings, signs and traffic lights. They took 10-15 copecks for hire, probably per hour session.
          At the box office were pedal cars and pedal horses - I especially loved them.

          / photo from the network /
          1. Alf
            Alf 12 March 2018 20: 08
            0
            Quote: Freeman
            At the expense of "free" is not sure.

            At least that's what mom says. Yes, even if it’s mistaken, 10-15 cents, as you say, it’s still nothing for the family budget. For how much joy and experience ...
            Quote: Freeman
            There were pedal cars and pedal horses at the box office - I especially loved them.

            No, I tried not to ask for horses, the dream was to choose the Volga GAZ-21, but it was rarely found, mostly Muscovites.
    2. kalibr
      10 March 2018 12: 18
      +1
      Boris55 The pedal car is not at all ... Top photo. Bottom photo - where is it? They are going out of the blue ... Or is this already the final?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 10 March 2018 12: 21
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Bottom photo - where is it?

        We have in Klin, in the summer, on the central square, along a winding road marked by old tires. All the same, the children are small, the supervision should be constant.
        1. kalibr
          10 March 2018 15: 57
          +1
          It’s clear and great that you have it. But is there really a car without engines in the photo? The fact is that they try to make the wheels narrower, like bicycle ones, in order to avoid unnecessary friction. And here on your photo there are such tires that they will eat a lot of energy on friction. You will remember, with or without engines. With engines, opera is completely different.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 10 March 2018 16: 11
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            But is there really a car without engines in the photo?

            With engines. In the photo, the baby right presses on the "gas".
            1. kalibr
              10 March 2018 18: 25
              +1
              Then why did you write to me about this? This article is not about that at all ...
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 10 March 2018 19: 32
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                Then why did you write to me about this?

                Here is your question: "So why not activists of children's patriotic education just take and start punching the idea of" racing soap boxes "in their own city?"
                Quote: kalibr
                This article is not about that at all ...

                Speech in the article - what a wonderful America, what kind of care for children is there, not just with us, nor who still can not organize something like that, etc ...
                Slack - can and do!
                1. kalibr
                  10 March 2018 22: 22
                  +1
                  And what - someone organized this with us? Not! Kits for collecting such machines are available? Not! There is a lot of talk about caring for the environment. But we do not have such cars for children. But we have child care! There is! Almost a third of the material is devoted to this topic. But you can make it even better, right? And have all the resources been exhausted? Probably not either, and if so, then why not learn something good from them? I do not urge you to learn bad, right? So do not pull the goat by the protruding genitals. She simply does not have them.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 11 March 2018 09: 18
                    0
                    Quote: kalibr
                    But you can make it even better, right? And have all the resources been exhausted?

                    There is no limit to perfection. But why is it necessary to take foreign experience for this? We have many wonderful circles in the likeness of "Young Technician". Yes, and not a few sports.
                    Using their experience, we will always be behind them. Do you want that?
                    1. kalibr
                      11 March 2018 16: 28
                      0
                      Quote: Boris55
                      We have many wonderful circles in the likeness of "Young Technician". Yes, and not a few sports.
                      Using their experience, we will always be behind them. Do you want that?

                      You are clearly not at home with your prejudice. I myself worked at SUT in the Soviet era for three years. And now I know how things are with this matter. And I see that the race for "boxes of soap" whether they are at least Martian at least the US we need. And I want the same pension and salary as a professor in the USA gets. And I want you the same salary and pension, that's what a monster I am. By the way, it was possible to steal military secrets from Amers, but an interesting experience of children's technical creativity is impossible? Ok - THINK YOURSELF SOMETHING BETTER THAN I suggest, have you agreed? And to really ... Racing missiles will not work.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 11 March 2018 17: 23
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        And I want the same pension and salary as a professor in the USA gets.

                        Yes, I understood this long ago that you are sleeping and see how to join the parasites of the whole World and suck our blood with them. Therefore, you are conducting anti-Russian propaganda here in the hope that the eight will notice. laughing
                        Quote: kalibr
                        But an interesting experience of children's technical creativity is impossible?

                        American - no. Our yes. Do not drive us into the last century. All the best for children, all the most advanced!


  7. Bouncer
    Bouncer 10 March 2018 11: 13
    +15
    From small cars to large
    Interesting article
  8. Altona
    Altona 10 March 2018 23: 06
    +1
    "Oh, I won’t sit, Maremyana, passion in entu!" We were already interested in bicycles. And as we got older, we tried to add the D-5 engines to something ...
  9. kvs207
    kvs207 11 March 2018 07: 33
    +3
    Quote: Kotischa

    But did many have such cars? Absolute deficit ...

    And what, all American children rode on such? I grew up in the steppe and the nearest hills were far away and we rode in tires, I’ll report this, certainly not for the faint of heart.
    1. Cat
      Cat 11 March 2018 08: 54
      0
      "On car tires"
      Question? How!!!?
      Or is it still in the snow?
    2. kalibr
      11 March 2018 16: 36
      +1
      Yes, of course, not all. Cowboy kids riding horses ...
  10. kalibr
    11 March 2018 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    Using their experience, we will always be behind them. Do you want that?

    And we are already behind in everything! Indicate what we are ahead of, will be interesting? With regard to ballet?
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 March 2018 20: 11
      0
      Quote: kalibr
      Indicate what we are ahead of, will be interesting?

      In the number of billionaires. And in the disregard-consumer attitude of the "elite" to the country.
      1. kalibr
        11 March 2018 21: 06
        0
        It always happens when people get out of the mud to riches. But then their children will be different and their attitude towards the country will change. So it was in all countries that went through the same as we. Everything will be fine over time.
        1. Alf
          Alf 11 March 2018 21: 46
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          It always happens when people get out of the mud to riches. But then their children will be different and their attitude towards the country will change. So it was in all countries that went through the same as we. Everything will be fine over time.

          The second generation of these children has already come of age, and something is not observed in their worldview.
          1. kalibr
            12 March 2018 07: 17
            0
            "they see they do not see, and hear they do not hear, and they don’t ... they hear with difficulty, and they closed their eyes, that they cannot see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and they cannot understand with their hearts" (Gospel of Matthew. Chapter 13)
  11. kalibr
    11 March 2018 21: 04
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    American - no. Our yes. Do not drive us into the last century. All the best for children, all the most advanced!

    You were not asked! What can you do except posts on VO? Nothing!!! Want to continue to live in poverty? You will be! And all the best and most advanced is given to them now. Not everyone, however, but those who deserve it. Want to change something? Please - go to school, in the SUT and bring all the best values ​​of the former "scoop" to the children there. No one bothers. I personally will only be for it! And when to expect a report from you that you organized a karting circle, modeling armored vehicles or traditional Dymkovo toys at the school? Or weak? As for me, then ... about the racing "boxes" is written not only in this article. But here in this book. Students of universities of our country will study on it and ... suddenly someone realizes that this is a "gold mine"?
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 March 2018 21: 53
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      You were not asked!

      Mr. Shpakovsky! Here, in VO, you have been called a ham many times, it’s not worth repeating.
      Quote: kalibr
      And all the best and most advanced is given to them now. Not everyone, however, but those who deserve it.

      We already see this on the example of the "golden youth".
      Quote: kalibr
      But here in this book.

      Who knows how, does, who does not know how, teaches.
      What have you done, Mr. Shpakovsky, for industry? Nothing, just teach how to do it. Have you worked there for at least one day? Or to repeat your complaints of the 90s, when you complained to your tankmaster that your epoxy models are bought in Switzerland for 50 green, and in Russia the modelers do not want to take 50 thousand wooden? So I saw your "creations" - a slap of epoxes from which it is necessary to cut out a model.
      And as regards books, so after you once slaughtered, I’m smart because I wrote a lot of books, and all the others who didn’t write are stupid, so this is not an indicator of great intelligence, it is an indicator of very great conceit and an occasion to visit to the psychiatrist.
  12. kalibr
    11 March 2018 21: 10
    0
    Boris55,
    Is this the 19st century in the photo? In my opinion, back in the XNUMXth, dolls were made of rags. Is it the most advanced and modern? Ha - well, you and the joker! Be proud of this squalor? You will leave far from the USA with such "circles".
  13. kalibr
    11 March 2018 21: 19
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    Quote: Boris55
    Therefore, you are conducting anti-Russian propaganda here in the hope that the eight will notice.

    Not anti-Russian, but anti-foolish, so that people that the word "maybe" are written separately would be less. And I don’t need anyone to notice me. Whoever needs it knows anyway ... Here's another textbook on advertising and PR for students of Russian universities. And in turn ... two more! Just for generation Z, which will replace the various wretched ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 March 2018 22: 01
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      Quote: kalibr
      Here is another textbook on advertising and PR for students of Russian universities. And in turn ... two more!

      Since we have advertising managers with an overabundance, you are better off publishing something sensible for the industry.
      1. kalibr
        12 March 2018 07: 02
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        Managers are always a re-supply, not only in advertising - everywhere. Such are the laws of the development of society. But how do you know that there is nothing for industry in this book? Before indiscriminately groaning on something that you don’t know, you need to get to know this, right? If I were you, I would first read this book, and only then would I write. And then somehow it turns out frivolously - "I didn’t read, but I condemn!"
  14. kalibr
    11 March 2018 22: 03
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    Quote: Alf
    What have you done, Mr. Shpakovsky, for industry?

    I am not an engineer to work for industry, but ... imagine, I did something and soon you will see it in the photo here in the article on VO. And as for the rest that you wrote, believe me - I am so upset, but I will spend the whole night without sleep. Ah, such an anonymous writer wrote such a letter to me. I will never be comforted !!!
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 March 2018 22: 16
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      Quote: kalibr
      soon you will see it in the photo here in the article on VO.

      Yes, yes, another set of soldiers was cast.
      1. kalibr
        12 March 2018 07: 03
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        And what have you done interesting?
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 March 2018 20: 03
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          Quote: kalibr
          And what have you done interesting?

          Unlike you, I do not sell air in the form of advertising and PR, but work at a factory that makes engines for gas pumping. Thus, you use the results of my work every day.
          1. kalibr
            12 March 2018 21: 45
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            And you - mine, so here we are even. Don't you read my materials here every day? But this is not important. The important thing is that with your help and with Boris’s help, we have earned 4617 clicks on this article, which is very good for the site, as it increases its investment attractiveness. Do you think I’m answering you because of your comments? Of course not. Just a conversation with you ... interesting to the public, they are interested in what else you write to me, and how I will answer you. That's all. By the way, selling art is much more than hammering on pieces of iron with a hammer. You can hold on to a piece of iron, and you try to extract money from the fact that you can’t hold on!
  15. antivirus
    antivirus 12 March 2018 15: 59
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    “Here lies your popularity, blockhead! Children are your future electorate, and not yours, so your son. Think! "

    AN UNUSUAL DEMAND OF A UNITED RUSSIA- EXIST AND RULE AFTER 30-50 YEARS. otherwise how to explain the absence of such competitions for growing their electorate.
    etc. do not let the party
  16. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 13 March 2018 07: 44
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    I saw a film about them, such a cool