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Iraqi-received T-90SI caused envy among Russian tank crews

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Main combat Tanks the Iraqi army T-90S was admired by Russian tankers, and they regret that they do not have such equipment so far, writes Messenger of Mordovia, analyzing the responses to the publication on the web of photos of cars arrived in Iraq.


Iraqi-received T-90SI caused envy among Russian tank crews


According to experts, the production of these tanks was fully taken into account the experience of past local wars. “So, the sights received special protective curtains. The commander of the machine has a large-caliber machine-gun installation controlled from under the armor, which is not the case on all versions of the T-72B3 and the upgraded T-80BVM. As a result, unlike the upgraded equipment that is now being sent to the troops, tankers will not have to crawl out of the hatch from the fire, ”the publication’s author Lev Romanov notes.



In the same Syria, during the battles of Damascus, the T-72 crews were shooting their NSVT, therefore, under the fire of snipers, anyone who tried to fire from a turret machine gun turned into a suicide bomber.

In addition, air conditioners are installed on the Iraqi T-90SI, which is not yet on Russian tanks.

“Unfortunately, for a long time on the equipment going to the troops, it was possible to see strange measures to save on much needed. Until now, T-72B3 of the first releases are used in the troops, in which the elements of dynamic protection are not installed in the most shelled parts of the tower, ”the material says.



To be fair, it should be noted that most of the shortcomings of the T-72B3 and earlier versions of the T-90 will be eliminated on the T-90М, which from this year must come to the Russian troops.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 February 2018 14: 39
    +62
    Because we can sell old and inferior tanks only to our MO. And normal people for hard currency want normal tanks to buy. So they are buying.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 26 February 2018 14: 45
      +63
      And it reminded me of how our Soviet auto industry drove abroad cars with improved technical characteristics and comfort, and for the Soviet citizen, what is there will come down, but also in the queue!
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 26 February 2018 14: 49
        +22
        Because we can sell old and inferior tanks only to our MO

        No, because under the Union of these tanks so many were blinded that there was nowhere to put them, so they went along the path of modernization and economy. And it is right. They will develop their resources and be gradually replaced. And the desire to take everything and replace it with Wishlist ... there isn’t enough money for everything.
        1. Hariton laptev
          Hariton laptev 26 February 2018 15: 03
          +33
          Well, let their little men burn with a blue flame.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 26 February 2018 17: 14
            +15
            Quote: Hariton Laptev
            Well, let their little men burn with a blue flame.

            It is better to have 3 T-72B3 than 1 T-90 and 2 T-72A / B (or even T-62). And in the latter case, one of the T-72 would stand in the box and would be a donor to the other.
            In 2011, BTVs were 90% equipped with tanks from the time of the USSR. A quarter century without a replacement! And the tanks had to be changed urgently - otherwise tank battalions would turn into infantry.
            Once again: the T-72B3 needs to be compared not with the T-90, but with those tanks that would remain the basis of the BTV in case of refusal from mass modernization. And this is the T-72A / B and T-62.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 26 February 2018 15: 22
          +9
          But, in them you can establish a new SLA, DZ, communication (so that people with equipment for 1-2 tons of dollars do not listen to the air), with a modern thermal imager, or even two. Etc.
      2. Fox
        Fox 26 February 2018 16: 52
        +12
        Quote: RUSS
        And it reminded me of how our Soviet auto industry drove abroad cars with improved technical characteristics and comfort,

        I worked at a VAZ in the late 80s, drove cars off the assembly line ... I didn’t notice the difference.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 27 February 2018 11: 45
          +1
          In Germany, Lada was brought to the German consumer standard at Deutsche Lada.
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 4 March 2018 21: 59
          0
          those. full guano regardless of the delivery destination?))) laughing
      3. BAI
        BAI 26 February 2018 17: 00
        +7
        And with whom is Russia fighting now? For study, the T-72 will come down. The price of T-90 is 174 million rubles, T-80-100 million rubles, T-72- 5 million rubles. And, attention, - T-34 - 60-70 million rubles.
        http://makechoice.info/skolko-stoit-tank/
        1. Ildar Yarullin
          Ildar Yarullin 26 February 2018 19: 00
          +5
          This supertank attracts with its speed, which is about 1500 hp

          Good site (no). Does it make sense to read further?
        2. shurik
          shurik 26 February 2018 19: 25
          +3
          Do you know when Russia will fight?
        3. rasteer
          rasteer 1 March 2018 19: 51
          0
          T-72-5 million rubles.
          That is, in fact, "any cook" taking a loan. can drive a personal tank wassat I went to the bank ... otherwise I’m tired of speeders on the roads)))))
      4. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 26 February 2018 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        And it reminded me of how our Soviet auto industry drove abroad cars with improved technical characteristics and comfort, and for the Soviet citizen, what is there will come down, but also in the queue!

        Do not write crap. And change the avatar to a rainbow, it will correspond to more posts. And then Russia, Russia! (fig leaf .... hard to close)
        In the USSR, people lived in paradise, read under communism.
        1. shurik
          shurik 26 February 2018 19: 22
          +2
          Are you serious? Or did you live in another USSR, if not a secret THIS WHERE?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 26 February 2018 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: Shurik
            Are you serious? Or did you live in another USSR, if not a secret THIS WHERE?

            At home, on the couch. (I don’t drink, don’t smoke, I miss injections from the principle. Otherwise, dreamers from poppy fields ...)
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 27 February 2018 01: 26
          0
          Come on! On Kutuzovsky except ...
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 27 February 2018 04: 58
            +2
            Quote: Black Colonel
            Come on! On Kutuzovsky except ...

            You won’t believe it. In a khrushchev, four, in a kopeck piece, beyond the Urals.
        3. Sergey Horuzhik
          Sergey Horuzhik 28 February 2018 12: 17
          0
          On, read about your communism, propaganda.https: //cont.ws/@junkers-4
          7/857103
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 28 February 2018 17: 12
            +3
            Quote: Sergey Horuzhik
            On, read about your communism, propaganda.https: //cont.ws/@junkers-4
            7/857103

            Some nonsense write, others read. Why should I?
        4. rasteer
          rasteer 1 March 2018 19: 53
          0
          In the USSR, people lived in paradise, read under communism.
          I lived in the USSR, I remember her communism, I don’t remember, paradise ... I don’t remember her either. Probably, as always, merchandisers hid a mustache under the counter, in our Urals merchants were worse than Copperfieldwassat
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 26 February 2018 14: 47
      +21
      Defective tank belay -something new in world tank building! lol Perhaps the problem is in those people who equip our army with the so-called "budget" tanks, putting crews in cars that do not give adequate protection to the crew on the battlefield? Maybe for the "budget tank" as such, you need to give life with confiscation?
      1. rasteer
        rasteer 1 March 2018 20: 01
        0
        Maybe for the "budget tank" as such, you need to give life with confiscation?
        I'm afraid the budget can’t cope with mass confiscation laughing
    3. Kars
      Kars 26 February 2018 14: 58
      +13
      To be honest, I wonder what Iraq pays and how)
      1. SOF
        SOF 26 February 2018 15: 15
        +13
        Quote: Kars
        To be honest, I wonder what Iraq pays and how)

        ... besides gold and diamonds, there are also contracts for the development of oil and gas fields ...
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 26 February 2018 15: 23
        +5
        They wrote that with payment everything was fine with them.
        1. SOF
          SOF 26 February 2018 15: 27
          +4
          ... Western Kurna, for example .... Around it, so many interested people are marking their time, salivating ...
    4. tchoni
      tchoni 26 February 2018 16: 15
      +9
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Because we can sell old and inferior tanks only to our MO. And normal people for hard currency want normal tanks to buy. So they are buying.

      When the B3 went into the army (13th year, if I’m not mistaken), he was seen as a ersatz, allowing you to quickly saturate the troops with conventionally modern machines. At that time, as I understand it, there was an opinion that mass production of the T90 was not practical ... After all, the armata was on the way, the supplies of which had been planned from the age of 15, and the saturation of troops with this equipment by 20mu.
      But, as the old man Chernomyrdin used to say: "They wanted the best - it turned out as always"
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 26 February 2018 17: 09
        +12
        Quote: tchoni
        When the B3 went into the army (13th year, if I’m not mistaken), he was seen as a ersatz, allowing you to quickly saturate the troops with conventionally modern machines. At that time, as I understand it, there was an opinion that mass production of the t90 was not practical ...

        At that time, the problem was different:
        1. The new T-90 army received 65 units per year. At the same time, UVZ for the year raised the cost of the T-90 by 70%.
        2. 90% of the BTV tank fleet was produced back in the Soviet Union and required urgent repair or replacement.
        3. If the rate of delivery of tanks to the troops and the growth rate of their factory value were maintained, after 4-5 years the BTV would have come to an end.
        Therefore, instead of continuing to purchase T-90, they decided to begin mass modernization with a T-72 overhaul according to the budget option - to get a tank that would be better than 90% of the tanks in the army. As a result, as early as February 2017, the army had 1150 new tanks.
        The T-72BZ needs to be compared not with the T-90, but with those tanks for which he went to replace. And this is the Soviet-made T-72A and B, T-62 and even T-55.
  2. Altona
    Altona 26 February 2018 14: 47
    +13
    Recently I read an article that German tankers fought not on the best tanks in terms of performance characteristics at the beginning of World War II, but these tanks had a good level of comfort that allowed them to carry out a combat mission without straining. And having captured several T-34s, the Germans brought their comfort level to their standard, improving the visibility of the turret, installing an on-board radio station, which we did not have then.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 February 2018 15: 06
      +7
      A lot was just missing. For various reasons, objective and not. So it was, there is ... I really do not feel like it, Schaub continued like this.
    2. yehat
      yehat 26 February 2018 15: 09
      +10
      mainly by a radio station - it allowed to coordinate normal actions
      in 41, only a quarter of the tanks were equipped with a radio, and even the one that stood often turned out to be useless.
      1. SOF
        SOF 26 February 2018 15: 19
        +5
        Quote: yehat
        mainly by a radio station - it allowed to coordinate normal actions
        in 41, only a quarter of the tanks were equipped with a radio, and even the one that stood often turned out to be useless.

        ... and a turret - a must! The habit of seeing a lot from under armor has always been put at their forefront.
        1. yehat
          yehat 26 February 2018 15: 25
          +5
          only in the end, and the Germans and ours were half sticking out of the hatches
          and no turrets helped. Guderian even issued special orders forbidding protruding.
          1. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 26 February 2018 22: 04
            0
            This was not only in the Great Patriotic War. I recently listened to a speech by Jacob Kedmi on the Vesti FM radio station. He said that even when he was a tankman, such a practice was common. And for many, it ended badly.
        2. Fox
          Fox 26 February 2018 16: 55
          +1
          Quote: SOF
          The habit of seeing a lot from under armor has always been put at their forefront.

          og ... therefore they reduced the number of viewing devices and hatches ...
          1. SOF
            SOF 26 February 2018 18: 04
            +4
            Quote: Fox
            the head of the corner.
            og ... therefore they reduced the number of viewing devices and hatches ...

            ...come on? lol
            You probably mean that reduced on the frontal armor? Et yes. Unfortunately, it dawned on them earlier that the fewer “holes” on the stove, the stronger it is.
            .... but nothing more.
            Here is the visibility chart of a tank with a commander’s turret.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 26 February 2018 15: 34
        +7
        Radio stations are a difficult topic for our industry .... only when Lend-Lease began to supply the necessary components, the radios became quite acceptable and there were more!
        At first they were placed only on command tanks, aircraft ....
        You know the Lend-Lease when you went, when the scribe began to pick up the Britons, and before that, no, no! These were allies, however, as always!
        1. yehat
          yehat 26 February 2018 15: 49
          +5
          here another topic came up - the Americans significantly increased the production of components for radio equipment, respectively, began to produce more and more than just walkie-talkies - they are the only ones who produced radio fuses in the right amount.
          but, curiously, the Americans were in no hurry to deliver their bomb sights, which made it possible to accurately throw from high altitude. And ours provided accuracy with half the height. Even on the German frame there was a sight that allowed you to aim from 8 km in height.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 27 February 2018 01: 32
            +1
            But was the "frame" a bomber?
            1. yehat
              yehat 27 February 2018 11: 06
              0
              the frame was both a scout and a bomber (2 bombs of 50 kg were usually carried) and a night interceptor - it hunted with great success by-2.
    3. BAI
      BAI 26 February 2018 17: 05
      +4
      And they brought the account of the wrecked Soviet armored vehicles on the T-34 to 60-70 units. We do not have such effectiveness.
      The military did not accept the first T-34, because the crew (tank if you want) was able to detect only 20 percent of the targets at the training ground.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 February 2018 22: 02
        +2
        Let's remember all the omissions of our headquarters, industrialists .... a long series to turn out. But they also learned from the enemy, they did, developed. All in the treasury of victory!
        Remember, you need to know, Schaub will no longer step on the same rake.
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 27 February 2018 13: 41
        0
        Strange ... for some reason ours won the war ... We offended the Germans!
    4. dima9990
      dima9990 27 February 2018 07: 32
      +3
      You confuse warm with soft. German tankers fought well, because the Wehrmacht consisted not only of German tankers. In addition to tanks, the Wehrmacht had aircraft and artillery. And also, you will not believe, people !!! having rich combat experience and interspecific coherence. By the end of the war, the Soviet tankmen with walkie-talkies were not as good as the Germans at the beginning of the war, BUT there was a combat experience. We recall the result on May 9th.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 February 2018 08: 54
        +3
        In many memoirs and historical books, for the clear organization of the German army it is spoken directly and frankly. About the clear interaction and quality equipment of the troops ... everything is described. It is also clearly indicated that the whole of Europe worked for the Reich, with all their scientific and technical potential !!!
        This is the cruel truth of that time, that war !!!
        Glory to the Russian Soldier Winner! Do not forget and shame the memory of our ancestors!
      2. yehat
        yehat 27 February 2018 11: 09
        +1
        Towards the end of the war, Soviet tankmen received full cover from the experienced infantry — it scouted and covered from the Faustniki and helped when the tank was partially damaged, and dug in and helped with the maintenance.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 27 February 2018 11: 45
          +1
          The army studied. This is the logic of war, either study or die.
          The Yankees delivered excellent communications technology. At the service of the ensign was Hand-Toki 536, 1944 release ... in leather, shiny, working. He cherished it more carefully than his salary !!!
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 February 2018 14: 49
    +9
    Good Masha, but not ours! belay We can only throw noodles off the ears with a fork — everyone who has at least some power can hang her there.
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 26 February 2018 15: 08
      +2
      Shove the policy Anisa in en ** s)
  4. san4es
    san4es 26 February 2018 14: 53
    +3
    The main battle tanks of the Iraqi army T-90S


    2011 g
  5. CentDo
    CentDo 26 February 2018 15: 06
    +12
    I don’t understand the grumbling in the comments. Do tanks enter our army for free? There is a budget within which equipment is purchased. Our MO can well order the latest modifications of the T-90, though it will be necessary to abandon the S-400, Su-35, Bukov, etc. Will it be better?
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 26 February 2018 16: 59
      0
      Quote: CentDo
      Our MO can well order the latest modifications of the T-90, though it will be necessary to abandon the S-400, Su-35, Bukov, etc. Will it be better?

      I think that you just have to buy less tanks, they will not save on the S-400, Su-35 and other things. Yes, and not so much these tanks are more expensive to abandon the above.
    2. yehat
      yehat 27 February 2018 11: 49
      0
      claims that the tanks are not equipped with modern equipment.
      and compared with aviation prices, this is really a trifle, so it does not affect the c400 or beeches in any way.
      the problem is the same. Sky-high prices of monopolies. tank modernization stands like a new tank.
      and it should not be. Service work should be more accessible.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 27 February 2018 14: 25
        0
        Then I agree with you. But this is still a complaint to the manufacturer, who overstates the price of production / modernization of tanks, and not to the Ministry of Defense, which is forced to cut the list of equipment being upgraded or the number of purchased vehicles because of this.
        1. yehat
          yehat 27 February 2018 14: 46
          0
          the manufacturer is completely dependent on the MO order. Therefore, the MO can turn the producer in one place as he wants, in order to make him cooperate adequately, but this does not happen.
          1. CentDo
            CentDo 27 February 2018 15: 07
            0
            If the manufacturer were completely dependent on MO, then in the 90s it simply would not have survived, because MO had no money, and accordingly orders. So this is still a big question, who is dependent on whom.
  6. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 26 February 2018 15: 07
    +3
    This is the right article, though as such. Although unpleasant in something, without any "ouray-patriotism" and "everything was gone chef."
    1. cedar
      cedar 26 February 2018 15: 41
      +3
      And what does URA and PATRIOTISM have to do with it?
  7. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 26 February 2018 15: 07
    0
    most of the shortcomings of the T-72B3 and earlier versions of the T-90 will be eliminated on the T-90M, which from this year should come to the Russian troops

    We will hope. And if the hopes do not materialize, then we will not get used to it.

  8. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 26 February 2018 15: 08
    +3
    Quote: maxim947
    They will develop their resources and be gradually replaced. And the desire to take everything and replace it with Wishlist ... there isn’t enough money for everything.

    There will always be a shortage of money - this is a fact, so the term for developing a resource will be longer and longer. The T72s will last another half a century at least.
  9. Romanenko
    Romanenko 26 February 2018 17: 15
    +2
    Yes, picking up your fleet according to the residual principle and fraud will take place for a long time in circles close to the fulfillment of military orders. Alas, it did not start yesterday, but the truth is time to stop it today.
    Own equipment should be, at a minimum, no worse than export, or even more dignified.
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 2 March 2018 10: 45
      0
      They say 70 percent more expensive. But is there an agreement among interested parties? we will pay at a higher price, but the profit to us (customers)
  10. huntsman650
    huntsman650 26 February 2018 17: 26
    0
    So much advertising and PR of new technology is described in this way as TTX, NO EQUAL. But also not yet in service or identical copies.
  11. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 26 February 2018 18: 34
    +3
    We pay for tanks for the whole of Russia. For Iraqi pays Iraq. How much do we pay such and tanks
  12. shurik
    shurik 26 February 2018 19: 16
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Hariton Laptev
    Well, let their little men burn with a blue flame.

    It is better to have 3 T-72B3 than 1 T-90 and 2 T-72A / B (or even T-62). And in the latter case, one of the T-72 would stand in the box and would be a donor to the other.
    In 2011, BTVs were 90% equipped with tanks from the time of the USSR. A quarter century without a replacement! And the tanks had to be changed urgently - otherwise tank battalions would turn into infantry.
    Once again: the T-72B3 needs to be compared not with the T-90, but with those tanks that would remain the basis of the BTV in case of refusal from mass modernization. And this is the T-72A / B and T-62.

    One may ask, do you have anything to do with tank troops?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 February 2018 19: 47
      +9
      Quote: Shurik
      One may ask, do you have anything to do with tank troops?

      I am an air defense officer. But I know the situation with the pace of procurement and prices for T-90. As well as I remember - on what 08.08.08 on 42 fighter fighting, which was considered combat-ready.

      We were very lucky that the adversaries were Georgians ...
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 26 February 2018 22: 15
        +2
        I read here: https://vpk-news.ru/articles/1323 that even before the war with Georgia, the T-72 tank downgrade was sent for storage, and in return they were given T-62 and T-55. What is the logic? It seems that we and the T-72 of various modifications have more than enough done. And they are all better than the T-55 and T-62, or am I mistaken?
        1. tim773
          tim773 6 March 2018 06: 29
          0
          betrayal
  13. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 February 2018 19: 34
    +4
    We need to drive 14 tons to mind and mass-produce and try to sell all the old tanks.
    1. link
      link 1 March 2018 20: 45
      +1
      However, how is everything simple with you ...)) Back in 2015, I had a chance to talk with two elderly (still Soviet) specialists who were related to these very T-14s. These tanks were then first shown to the public at the parade on May 9, 2015. So, they then said that, unlike all previous generations of tanks that we had and which were controlled by simple tank soldiers, the control of the T-14 is only possible for officers with higher education. The tank is very complex, crammed with electronics, like an airplane. Not for nothing has an information management system been installed on it to monitor the work of a host of other systems. And the abundance of electronics makes the tank less reliable, especially in battle, where it will become a target due to the failure of the electronics. Everything ingenious is simple and reliable. (I'm not talking about the price ...) Kalashnikov assault rifle is an example.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 18 March 2018 13: 55
        0
        I’m not saying to take it all at once and sell it in bulk, but gradually replace it with a new one, training the tank crews (anyway, the time will have to stand still) and the amount that is more than 10 thousand is obviously excessive, especially since most of the storage will not require so much for local conflicts global will no longer be tank battles ...
  14. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 26 February 2018 21: 59
    +2
    I just don’t understand why save on tanks. ships. aircraft, etc. ... customer state. which means it prints money from the air. print and even install a refrigerator on the tank ... anyway, money will go into the economy!
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 26 February 2018 22: 18
      +1
      We have already explained above why such a composition of the modernization of T-72 tanks was chosen
    2. nik-karata
      nik-karata 27 February 2018 07: 42
      +2
      We cannot print as much money as the Fed, and equally as much as we want.
      We can (we are allowed, as you wish to interpret) print so much money (I'm talking about rubles), equivalent to the existing gold reserves (gold and foreign exchange reserves) in the country.
      These are not my Wishlist, this is the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
      Therefore, for a long time we will still exploit (fight) not new equipment.
      On the fields of the Internet SEA information on the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. You can find the link yourself. hi
      1. yehat
        yehat 27 February 2018 11: 55
        +1
        We can

        all that needs to be done is to pick up a little from cuts of rosnana or similar black holes.
        more than enough money. Russian Railways may not build another hotel in Prague for the son of a manager, Rosnano may not do another unprofitable project, Gazprom will not cut another 1 billion on the gas pipeline or equipment rental, shuvalov will not count another foreign villa, etc.
        yes my God, start an investigation on the zenith arena, take the money from the culprits of inflating the estimates and here you have the loot for the rearmament of the tank army.
        1. nik-karata
          nik-karata 27 February 2018 13: 20
          0
          I, a colleague, only said about why we can’t print money like the Fed! hi
          But where to get the money ... there are more than enough such places (in the pockets of famous people) !!!
          1. Valery Saitov
            Valery Saitov 5 March 2018 14: 38
            0
            Russia prints its rubles in the same way that the United States prints its dollars: within the limits of need.

            The fact that the United States allegedly prints its "pieces of paper" in unlimited volumes and does not at all conform to their real value, value, call it what you like - this is nothing more than a popular bike, planted also by pro-communist propaganda (completely bankrupt). Remember what happened in Russia when we printed rubles in ever increasing quantities, trying to plug holes in the economy with a printing press: hyperinflation. And it was possible to curb it only when they put things in order in the economy and stopped replenishing the budget only at the expense of the printing press, moving to NORMAL mechanisms: taxes, excise taxes, etc.

            Money in a normal economy is always in balance with the volume of goods that this economy is able to offer. Otherwise they depreciate. The US economy, no matter how "we like it," is a NORMAL economy, and the Americans have something to offer themselves and the rest of the world. Financial discipline in the USA is tougher than in many other countries. Are there few examples, even in our memory, when the administration was left without money due to the fact that Congress could not timely accept the budget for the next fiscal year? Well, imagine something similar with us that our government and our President cannot spend a single ruble of public money, because the Duma did not give them permission ... They imagined, right? I didn’t succeed.

            Fortunately, the Russian economy so far also retains the features of a normal economy (although it is becoming harder and harder to do this), and in it the budget is also replenished not by a printing press, but by tax deductions. And the fact that money is printed, both with us and with us, is caused by the fact that a) the banknotes physically deteriorate and are withdrawn from circulation; the life of a hundred-ruble note is several months, and b) that GDP is growing. In any case, it has grown until recently. And the money is printed exactly in the volume that corresponds to the replenishment of the withdrawn from circulation and the growth of goods production.
    3. passerby5
      passerby5 2 March 2018 10: 48
      0
      you need to read more for the economy. ane only about tanks
    4. tim773
      tim773 6 March 2018 06: 31
      0
      print as many rubles = how many resources we sell
  15. trahterist
    trahterist 26 February 2018 23: 03
    0
    Quote: Fox
    Quote: RUSS
    And it reminded me of how our Soviet auto industry drove abroad cars with improved technical characteristics and comfort,

    I worked at a VAZ in the late 80s, drove cars off the assembly line ... I didn’t notice the difference.

    And in the late 90s, I fell into the hands of MTZ-82UK, 'export'.
    The difference is huge, the engine does not 'cry' with oil either, like hydraulics, you turn the MOUNTAIN (steering) with one ring, there’s nothing to dig into in the cab, the plastic and the seat are of high quality, painted perfectly.
    We also played with fuel injection pumps, setting the regulator at 3000 rpm (with standard 2200-2300), so that I could overtake some kind of 'Dzhondir'.
    Semi-synthetic oil is imported everywhere, and it flew like a pretty one.
    I heard that somewhere at the end of the 'zero' they killed him, and then because of the stupidity of a 'rider' (in the jargon, a stupid driver who can’t do anything but turn the steering wheel).
    Something like this...
  16. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 27 February 2018 00: 03
    +1
    Quote: Servisinzhener
    We have already explained above why such a composition of the modernization of T-72 tanks was chosen

    sorry . but I still don’t understand why they’re “saving” .... but now let's take it wider. for example, why didn’t the color TVs be released or our video recorders ... yes, the same penny cost 2 rubles and it was sold for 000. why did you do that. maybe because Ukrainians ruled us Khrushchev Brezhnev Chernenko Gorbachev?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 27 February 2018 11: 54
      0
      And then Russian Yeltsin began to rule. Therefore, everything in China is now in Russia.
  17. LeonidL
    LeonidL 27 February 2018 03: 41
    +3
    Nothing new - everything is just like in the old army joke: Medical examination at the military registration and enlistment office. The guy covers the causal place and only a small piece is visible. On the penis tattoo "Glory" ... Doctor: "But your name is not Glory?" Draftee: “And it says,“ Glory to the insufferable Soviet Army and the Navy of the Soviet Union! ”. The military commissar -“ So, you will serve in the GSVG! ”“ Here, all the best is exported again! ”The nurse sighs.
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 27 February 2018 03: 59
    +1
    Everything is flowing, everything is being improved .. Only experienced military operation and combat service of equipment will show directions for modernization ..
  19. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 27 February 2018 20: 46
    0
    I read all the comets. I wanted to hear the words of envy from the TANKISTS, but I discovered an incomprehensible nagging. Impression of the article and comets OH !!!
  20. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 28 February 2018 01: 03
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    Praising the "Iraqi" tanks, we do not forget that these vehicles are exported, and in the first place they have two significant differences from Russian vehicles: 1. They have worse armor protection (I can’t say about passive ones, and DZ stands for Contact-5 instead of Relic ) and 2. in BC there are no modern types of BOPS.
    However, such trifles (meaning the cost - it is simply incomparable with the LMS, for example), such as a hard on-board screen with remote sensing, air conditioning, and ZPU with remote control and the APU, are very, very pleasant, even for tankers. Saves MO, and saves (as it seems to him) on the little things, but in reality - on the tankers. UVZ showed tanks with a similar body kit back in 2011. But, as they say, that the master ordered, then they put him
  21. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 28 February 2018 13: 04
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    Quote: nik-karata
    We cannot print as much money as the Fed, and equally as much as we want.
    We can (we are allowed, as you wish to interpret) print so much money (I'm talking about rubles), equivalent to the existing gold reserves (gold and foreign exchange reserves) in the country.
    These are not my Wishlist, this is the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
    Therefore, for a long time we will still exploit (fight) not new equipment.
    On the fields of the Internet SEA information on the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. You can find the link yourself. hi

    do not care about the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Russia has resources ... land if you want. about 150 million the state should print money as much as citizens need .... in the geyropa there is already talk of guaranteed income and we will read richer!
    1. vredlo
      vredlo 1 March 2018 09: 03
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      and you are in the know for inflation, well, supposedly if you print 100500 milen rubles, then the cost of one ruble will fall and as a result, the cost of all rubles in circulation will come in the same way as before printing (well, if that’s very rude and simplistic) in maintaining the ruble from the dollar (in which many countries hold reserves) there are not many interested
    2. helmi8
      helmi8 4 March 2018 01: 31
      +1
      Quote: Sergei Suvorov Ria
      do not care about the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Russia has resources

      Yes, according to the tulumbas, what we have there ... The whole problem is that the Central Bank is subordinate to the Fed, and without its permission, it cannot print money. Question - how long? Maybe the time has come to return it to your jurisdiction?
  22. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 1 March 2018 13: 15
    +2
    An unknown liberal author, unfamiliar not only with armored vehicles, but also with the rules of the Russian language, is trying to perform a simple task - to cast a shadow on the activities of the Russian Ministry of Defense. In principle, he succeeds, judging by some emotional comments.
  23. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 1 March 2018 15: 39
    0
    Quote: Roma-1977
    And then Russian Yeltsin began to rule. Therefore, everything in China is now in Russia.

    Yeltsin was still that figure, but what would you like if he could break the Khrushch-Gorbachev Ukrainians for 50 years to fix it in 9 years? ... for some reason, he pulled Putin to power and for this he can say ATP ... unfortunately only for that!
  24. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 1 March 2018 15: 45
    0
    Quote: vredlo
    and you are in the know for inflation, well, supposedly if you print 100500 milen rubles, then the cost of one ruble will fall and as a result, the cost of all rubles in circulation will come in the same way as before printing (well, if that’s very rude and simplistic) in maintaining the ruble from the dollar (in which many countries hold reserves) there are not many interested

    who told you that? Kudrin? if the state introduces full control over the movement of capital in the country and setting prices, then no inflation ... and in general this word was invented by hucksters to keep people slaves of money and manage it through this institution!
  25. Sam
    Sam 1 March 2018 21: 09
    +1
    You don’t understand anything. For Putin’s guys, yachts are the most expensive in the world.
  26. Kirill Petrov
    Kirill Petrov 2 March 2018 01: 54
    0
    air conditioners installed on Iraqi T-90SI

    who installed the fans?
    and what other "air conditioning" can be placed inside the T-90?
  27. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 2 March 2018 19: 22
    -1
    In fairness, it should be noted ...

    That the Russian peasants are "giving birth to more women," and the Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian ... more recently Ukrainian ... as well as all the other "brothers" must be loved and earn lava.
    And what to take from Russian Vanka? He has already been robbed by the guarantor managers.
  28. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 4 March 2018 09: 34
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    Quote: helmi8
    Quote: Sergei Suvorov Ria
    do not care about the policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Russia has resources

    Yes, according to the tulumbas, what we have there ... The whole problem is that the Central Bank is subordinate to the Fed, and without its permission, it cannot print money. Question - how long? Maybe the time has come to return it to your jurisdiction?

    so I’m talking about it ... but that’s not enough. you still need all large enterprises and the bowels to nationalize and establish a pricing state policy with a reward system))
  29. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 5 March 2018 14: 19
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    Many tanks are in the storage tanks, so you have to upgrade them, and earn new grandmothers for modernization. Everything is logical, and we need more stoves than Condors.
  30. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 6 March 2018 12: 11
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    Quote: tim773
    print as many rubles = how many resources we sell

    Sorry, but they only do this because you need to print more rubles and as many products as we have released.
  31. Eugene_Kot
    Eugene_Kot 6 March 2018 15: 37
    0
    T-90 and T90C are very different. The fact that sweetie in a beautiful candy wrapper does not mean anything. The filling is different. On the T-90M tanks there is such equipment that you can’t talk about, not to sell to the east. T 90s, it is for export. Let our tankers sign a contract for the extension of service and also have time to ride the T-90. The generals said they would take a pack a year. UVZ will also throw a couple of dozen armats.