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India intends to review the tender for single-engine fighters

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The Indian Defense Ministry sent an instruction to the Air Force to revise the technical task for the purchase of 114 single-engine multi-role fighters, which has been prepared for two years already, bmpd with reference to ane's Defense Weekly.


Bollywood ads for the Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen NG fighter in India.

“The revised mission should include the possibility of acquiring also twin-engine fighters. Thus, in fact, before it began, the Indian tender for the purchase of single-engine fighters should turn into a tender for the purchase of fighters “in general”, ”writes the magazine.

The competition "should be focused on the overall combat capabilities of the platform, and not on the demand for single or twin-engine fighters," a military source told the publication.

According to him, it is planned to purchase only a limited number of ready-made aircraft, the rest will have to be produced in India in accordance with the Make in India project.

In fact, there were only two participants in the single-engine fighter program - Lockheed Martin with the F-16 Block 70 fighter variant, and the Swedish Saab AB with its multi-purpose Gripen JAS-39E / F aircraft, although the program was not yet formally announced. Both of these participants acted in partnership with private Indian manufacturers.

Meanwhile, the official representatives of the Indian defense industry foresee that the new tender will be offered basically the same platforms that competed in the MMRCA program (closed in 2015 year). These include the Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale, the Russian MiG-35, the Swedish Gripen JAS-39E / F and the American Lockheed Martin F-16IN and Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet.

Lack of will to make decisions and powerlessness in the procurement policy of the Ministry of Defense delays the purchase of fighters for the Indian Air Force. It is unlikely that any decision on a new fighter will be made before 2023-2024, and, possibly, later
said interlocutor magazine.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 26 February 2018 12: 57
    +14
    Indians will now review a lot, because the “bad” analogue of FGFA_Su 57 makes good weather in BV. Yes, it’s impossible to tighten with MIG35, the sooner we accept it, the faster this fucking tender will win.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 February 2018 12: 58
      +27
      This has long been "not funny." India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 26 February 2018 12: 59
        +14
        Oh, these Indians ...
        "And give us a Russian fighter, hang American missiles on it and install a Chinese cannon ... And with pearl buttons, please ... And in a year or two ... or five ... we’ll come up with something else."
        1. Giant thought
          Giant thought 26 February 2018 13: 07
          +1
          The next bureaucratic carousel will begin, which will not be visible to the end and edge, what can you do if there is such a mentality in the Indian Ministry of Defense.
        2. newcomer
          newcomer 26 February 2018 13: 09
          +11
          Well, they started to do together FGFA_ did not like it. launched a bullet on the development of a medium five fighter, threw a cry around the world, KB MIG suggested ..., in general, the project died. they call their passenger car "the future of aviation", I generally will not say anything. they wanted to make five out of Su30MKI_not happened. now a cherry on the cake (I read it literally a couple of days ago), they want to make five out of Su35 already. in short, the Indians are dancing, it’s not an hour, Pakistan will overtake them in aviation, if not qualitatively, then quantitatively.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2018 13: 19
            +5
            Bollywood ads for the Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen NG fighter in India.
            without garlands and dances, does not roll ...
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 26 February 2018 13: 26
          +15
          Quote: Shurik70
          "And give us a Russian fighter, hang American missiles on it and install a Chinese cannon ... And with pearl buttons, please ... And in a year or two ... or five ... we’ll come up with something else."

          You forgot the main thing: "And also give us all the technology and organize the production of aircraft in India. And when, due to the jambs of our workers, technicians or pilots, the fighter falls, we will blame you for everything".
          Remember the Indian-made engine scandal? Shavings in oil, and in poor-quality oil ... but at first they blamed Russia.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2018 13: 34
            +6
            You forgot the main thing: "And also pass us all the technologies and organize the production of aircraft in India. And when the fighter falls due to the jambs of our workers, technicians or pilots, we will blame you for everything."
            it’s true, and applicable to any technique, just a little, we are to blame.
          2. Timx
            Timx 27 February 2018 13: 06
            0
            This is what they are, excuse me, “Indian production engines” drive shavings from you, otherwise the engine specialists, you know, are not aware !!!
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 27 February 2018 15: 23
              +1
              Quote: TimX
              This is what such, sorry, "Indian-made engines"

              https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1291253.html
              The Indian Air Force has already had five accidents and 69 incidents with AL-31FP engines manufactured by HAL since 2012. According to Parricar, out of these 69 incidents, 33 were caused by chips in the oil, 11 caused vibration in the engine, and eight were due to very low pressure in the oil supply. Accusations were made regarding the poor quality of the assembly, which quickly resulted in a fatigue effect that caused cracks, which led to the appearance of metal fragments and the oil circuit. The investigation also drew attention to the quality of the oil.
              1. Timx
                Timx 27 February 2018 17: 31
                0
                Read jaundice Algerian blogs less - my advice to you lol. HAL receives AL-31 in wooden sealed boxes straight from Ufa. And there are no Indians who release anything there. Duralumin for gliders - yes, it bends, but this does not apply to the power plant.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 27 February 2018 17: 59
                  +1
                  If you say something, confirm with a link.
                  In Russia they produce components! And in India they are collected.
                  https://topwar.ru/22257-megakontrakt-s-indiey-na-
                  dvigateli-al-31fphtml /
                  1. Timx
                    Timx 27 February 2018 22: 38
                    0
                    Comrade You have fenced 2 fake links here (except for them there is not a single mention for nearly 6 years) and require some other confirmations.
                    PS
                    If you want to know something on the topic, ask while there are still people related to the industry. wink
        4. pytar
          pytar 26 February 2018 14: 26
          +5
          "And give us a Russian fighter, hang American missiles on it and install a Chinese cannon ... And with pearl buttons, please ... And in a year or two ... or five ... we’ll come up with something else."

          laughing good And you get the original Indian fighter!
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 27 February 2018 22: 56
            +1
            laughing laughing You have a respected - a bomber and not a fighter. good
            1. pytar
              pytar 28 February 2018 13: 15
              0
              Yes, you think so, because you didn’t see THEIR bombers !!! bully

              Tu-160 and B2 nervously smoking on the sidelines! No.
              It has an Indian bomber, the toenails of the elephants are varnished, to reduce aerodynamic drag! A bright, derogatory, or rather wing-breaking camouflage, acts mentally on the enemy! belay
              भारतीय सीसी
              Indian know-how however! wink
      2. Slovak
        Slovak 26 February 2018 17: 07
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        This has long been "not funny." India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already

        It seems they like it best when sellers kiss them in the tailbone. Kaif caught and hungry over them
      3. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 26 February 2018 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already

        Duc, what are they, yogis!
      4. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 26 February 2018 20: 59
        0
        India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already.
        hi Yoga, however! Interestingly, the Indians are not afraid that no one will come to the next tender for the same thing.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 26 February 2018 13: 34
      +7
      The lack of will to make decisions and the powerlessness in the procurement policy of the Ministry of Defense delays the procurement of fighters for the Indian Air Force.

      Well survived fellow Indians themselves got their own Hindu Wishlist. laughing
    3. spech
      spech 26 February 2018 14: 35
      0
      Hindus master eggs twist, but as much as possible, for 10 years probably think "buy-do not buy"
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 26 February 2018 14: 37
      0
      the sooner we adopt it, the faster this fucking tender wins.

      I would not rush into adopting because of this tender, especially since these again will be "I will give but not to you."
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 26 February 2018 16: 49
        +3
        the tender itself is the second thing. it's time to release 35 into the sky, yesterday.
  2. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 26 February 2018 13: 04
    +3
    They are Hindus, I watched how they took our modernized ships, a lot of ambition, but their crew performed all the actions under the supervision of our specialists. As far as neutral waters, it’s just that our backup crew is escorting a little something that will not be pressed on the road.
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 February 2018 13: 05
    +2
    Cunning Hindus will soon punish themselves.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 26 February 2018 13: 56
      +1
      Not so they are cunning, just very corrupt. We have not yet found how to carry the money "past the checkout", so they cancel one tender after another.
  4. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 26 February 2018 13: 16
    +4
    It would be nice if India decided to purchase the Mig-35, it would reduce the cost of mass production of aircraft for our army and additional money for our economy + then maintenance and supply of engines and spare parts ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2018 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      It would be nice if India decided to purchase the Mig-35

      this certainly will not happen ...
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 26 February 2018 22: 09
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        It would be nice if India decided to purchase the Mig-35

        this certainly will not happen ...

        Why is it so?
  5. Lyapis
    Lyapis 26 February 2018 13: 27
    +9
    I already see how things will develop further:
    1.first, several years will break down before suppliers, knocking out a lower price for themselves; 2. choosing a plane will fight for two years between each other, cracking down on bureaucratic formalities; 3. The initially set price for this time will increase by 20 percent (while repeating the first 2 points is possible); 4. Finally, the contract is concluded! The supplier sends part of the machines from its production facilities and arranges assembly in India itself; 5. the craftsmen from HAL begin to assemble their own cars with their crooked handles, quite predictably some kind of crap turns out; 6.the glorious kshatriyas for some reason can’t do the tricks on the received planes / tanks as shown in Bollywood films .... ..... AAAA !!! 11 The supplier deceived us and slipped bad cars, we urgently need to look for new ones !!! wassat
    Sansara’s wheel turns and it all starts again. laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 February 2018 18: 25
      +2
      In clause 3, it is also possible to reduce the number of purchased vehicles (see the contract for "rafals").
      1. vadson
        vadson 27 February 2018 18: 09
        0
        as soon as pakistan is possible with the help of friends with a narrow cut of the eye it will break into the back gate, then perhaps the brains are in place and stand up
  6. EnGenius
    EnGenius 26 February 2018 13: 43
    +2
    The most acceptable for India are F-18s and MiG-35s, while Gripen displaces its own Tejas. F16 is also too old to compete with China. The problem is that only the MiG35 and Gripen will go through the Make in India program.
    1. faradien
      faradien 27 February 2018 06: 11
      +1
      So it turns out the most and fits Mig-35 fellow drinks laughing
  7. Geonezis
    Geonezis 26 February 2018 13: 47
    +2
    Hindus can not please. They want to eat fish and sit in some places. As a result, they will be left with nothing.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 February 2018 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: Chertt
    This has long been "not funny." India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already

    You just noticed that the Indians have such a complicated policy of arms purchases that you’ll break your head
    As you like, but it doesn’t “reach” me what the REAL benefit of the “variegated” weapons is: for example F16 destroyers, with Su attack aircraft, mirage bombers and air defense are also “colorful”: Russia, China or France. This is to train pilots: the USA, Russia, France, and anti-aircraft gunners also to train manufacturers in countries of origin. Okay, the fighter is not a bomber, but, after all, you need to keep geeks at the guidance stations so that you can take into account a bunch of nuances. One front-line soldier, an aviation engineer, told me that "diversity" in technology is not Gut. They had American bombers, but how many it happened that attack aircraft and fighters and bombers, but not American ones, had to keep TTX of different systems in their heads and “invent” something universal. I asked him: whose plane is better? And he said that the one with which less fuss is good. They have the technology "terrible roof of Hollywood", when led a variety of aircraft
    1. Varna
      Varna 26 February 2018 21: 35
      +1
      Quote: Monarchist
      Quote: Chertt
      This has long been "not funny." India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already

      You just noticed that the Indians have such a complicated policy of arms purchases that you’ll break your head
      As you like, but it doesn’t “reach” me what the REAL benefit of the “variegated” weapons is: for example F16 destroyers, with Su attack aircraft, mirage bombers and air defense are also “colorful”: Russia, China or France. This is to train pilots: the USA, Russia, France, and anti-aircraft gunners also to train manufacturers in countries of origin. Okay, the fighter is not a bomber, but, after all, you need to keep geeks at the guidance stations so that you can take into account a bunch of nuances. One front-line soldier, an aviation engineer, told me that "diversity" in technology is not Gut. They had American bombers, but how many it happened that attack aircraft and fighters and bombers, but not American ones, had to keep TTX of different systems in their heads and “invent” something universal. I asked him: whose plane is better? And he said that the one with which less fuss is good. They have the technology "terrible roof of Hollywood", when led a variety of aircraft


      And it’s very well for me why such a spread of suppliers: probably, the military of India have a very good idea of ​​what it is to rely on one, even the best supplier - there are no friends and comrades in this world - they will sell for a good price - this is how Iraq relied too much on French Air defense, and Russia-on the Mistral.
      Despite the turmoil in the tenders, Indian manicity in the localization and decentralization of production will undoubtedly bear fruit, if not now, it is worth suffering a mess in supplies and unnecessary movements during operation.
  9. Firework
    Firework 26 February 2018 14: 41
    0
    they don’t have enough men in India that even women are recruited as pilots
    1. thinker
      thinker 26 February 2018 15: 12
      +3
      And where did you get that only women?
      ... 1,5 women are serving in the Indian Air Force, including 94 pilots.

      https://www.vpk-news.ru/news/27693
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 February 2018 14: 55
    0
    Quote: engenius
    The most acceptable for India are F-18s and MiG-35s, while Gripen displaces its own Tejas. F16 is also too old to compete with China. The problem is that only the MiG35 and Gripen will go through the Make in India program.

    Excuse me, but Gripen is a "Swede" and what does China have to do with it?
    They can be raised with the program: Made in India: they will solve the problem of components, and this is worth a lot
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 February 2018 15: 29
    0
    Meanwhile, the official representatives of the Indian defense industry foresee that the new tender will be offered basically the same platforms that competed in the MMRCA program (closed in 2015 year). These include the Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale, the Russian MiG-35, the Swedish Gripen JAS-39E / F and the American Lockheed Martin F-16IN and Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet.


    And why did they put the word "Single-engine" in the assignment?
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 February 2018 15: 33
    +1
    If not for politics. A Chinese J-10 would do well. And the unified engine can be delivered with the Su-30 MKI and then, together with the Russian Federation, it can be upgraded to modern indicators.
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 February 2018 18: 17
    0
    India intends to review the tender for single-engine fighters

    Lack of will to make decisions and powerlessness in the procurement policy of the Ministry of Defense delays the purchase of fighters for the Indian Air Force. It is unlikely that any decision on a new fighter will be made before 2023-2024, and, possibly, later

    Hey, lovers of gossip about the right technical policies and achievements of the Indian military-industrial complex, ay!
    seos !
    Insanity grows stronger, but really want to. “I want something .... earthly!” (This funny planet)
    1. faradien
      faradien 27 February 2018 06: 19
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy

      Insanity grows stronger, but really want to. “I want something .... earthly!” (This funny planet)

      Yeah, the "fun" will only increase wassat
  14. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 27 February 2018 16: 23
    0
    Lack of will to make decisions and powerlessness in the procurement policy of the Ministry of Defense delays the purchase of fighters for the Indian Air Force. It is unlikely that any decision on a new fighter will be made before 2023-2024, and, possibly, later

    All this is true, but it is necessary to exhibit.
  15. bleksia1477
    bleksia1477 27 February 2018 19: 07
    +1
    For another half a year, Messerschmit 109e, Yak -1b and Hurricane Mk 2 will take part in the tender ... for the rest will get tired of waiting ...
  16. bleksia1477
    bleksia1477 27 February 2018 19: 09
    +1
    am did not understand ... and from what time the Crimea became hohlyatsky! ???? admins! you did not confuse with a flag !?
  17. Dukat22
    Dukat22 27 February 2018 22: 28
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    This has long been "not funny." India is so entangled in its "cunning" arms procurement policy that it has kissed its tailbone several times already

    They take planes with the conditions for the provision of technology and assembling them at home. He behaves richly, and people live with monkeys and cows on the street, knee-deep in poop.
  18. Vdi73
    Vdi73 28 February 2018 13: 09
    0
    They want and ... sit down and eat a fish.