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Poroshenko about the "great success" of Ukraine: We will acquire American locomotives

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President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko decided to share on the social network with Ukrainians trade and economic success in relations with the United States of America. In particular, Poroshenko noted the conclusion of the agreement of the Ukrainian Railways with an American company General Electric. From the publication of the President of Ukraine:
The agreement between Ukrzaliznytsia and General Electric is an important step in the development of not only the transport system, but also the country's economy as a whole. And I am pleased that international experts and the press agree with us in the vision of the situation.



Poroshenko also related to the economic success of his presidency the contracts concluded with American companies for the purchase of coal and nuclear fuel:
Today we already have American coal, American nuclear fuel, and American weapon. In this list we add American locomotives and production partnership.


Ordinary Ukrainians did not share Poroshenko's enthusiasm for this kind of cooperation. Here are a few comments on the publication of the President of Ukraine in Facebook:

Stefan Petrinka (translated from Ukrainian):
Ukraine is capable of producing locomotives itself and cooperation with General Electric should be developed in this direction. But stupid to buy foreign locomotives - is this cooperation?


Photos from the Ukrainian train:
Poroshenko about the "great success" of Ukraine: We will acquire American locomotives


Andrey Litvin:
And ... (what) rejoice? Have we sold products for a billion or built a modern factory? Horseradish there, just bought goods for a billion ... Poroshenko as a young boy, bought expensive shoes for Mommy's money and rejoices ... A national holiday ...

Yuri Zhukovsky (translated from Ukrainian):
America for the military The Hummers sold diesel locomotives to Ukraine for a billion. This is the economic policy of the United States. And corruption, yes, almost zero)))
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 26 February 2018 12: 50
    +7
    Ukraine used to produce locomotives itself ... in Lugansk.
    And now they took out $ billion. from the pockets of pan-skakuas and paid the tax on stupidity to their owners. Tse peremoga.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 26 February 2018 12: 55
      +7
      Quote: Nikolay S.
      Ukraine used to produce locomotives itself ... in Lugansk.

      There were two factories, Shariy already rode over the Piglets ... he has piglets again ... great! Fantastic! Etc.... wassat
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 26 February 2018 13: 08
        +6
        Abroad will help us !!! laughing
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 26 February 2018 13: 17
          +8
          You don’t understand anything. These locomotives will soon transport imported American fat from Pennsylvania for free European citizens of Ukraine from Pennsylvania. smile
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 26 February 2018 13: 16
      +17
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      Ukraine used to produce locomotives itself ... in Lugansk.

      That is exactly before, before, and Ukraine did missiles, a lot of things happened, but earlier. request
    3. kit88
      kit88 26 February 2018 13: 28
      +3
      Next time he will buy $ 1 billion fat. But shaw, it’s an American Buda. Success, however.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2018 13: 53
        +2
        Today we already have American coal, and American nuclear fuel, and American weapons. We add American locomotives and a manufacturing partnership to this list.
        soon, used condoms will trample to the Outskirts ... completely lowered ...
        1. kit88
          kit88 26 February 2018 14: 27
          0
          The main thing is that they would be American, but the fact that they are used in the 5th category is not important
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 26 February 2018 14: 04
        +3
        Let them buy it in KZ, GE locomotives are collected from us. Localization reached 50%. Asynchronous power plant, the Evolyushin series, emissions are 30–40% less, fuel is eating less by 15%. Already released for 300 locomotives. Adapted to our climate and track. By the way, they sold one to Ukraine.
        We’ve got it, we used to buy rolling stock in Ukraine, and now ...
        1. kit88
          kit88 26 February 2018 14: 30
          0
          Via Slovakia?
        2. Moore
          Moore 27 February 2018 09: 58
          +2
          ... it is better to buy the right diesel locomotive in Pennsylvania for $ 4.6 million / unit than the exact same one, but incorrect in Kazakhstan from the GE plant for $ 2.5 - 3.0 million / unit. Svidomo consciousness in this case will sleep peacefully .. (C) flesh Periscope
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    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 26 February 2018 14: 39
      +1
      And the wagons will remain with pissed toilets, raw laundry, cockroaches and drunken guides.


  2. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 February 2018 12: 53
    +3
    Just recently watched a video:
    1. Serving the Fatherland
      Serving the Fatherland 28 February 2018 09: 39
      +1
      Tolik handsome, clearly promoted the topic!
  3. Ural cossack
    Ural cossack 26 February 2018 12: 54
    +1
    A breakthrough for Ukrainian production.
  4. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 26 February 2018 12: 56
    +3
    404 suckers will receive used locomotives from the USA, America with them.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 February 2018 13: 57
      +3
      Quote: Ancestors from the Don
      404 suckers will receive used locomotives from the USA, America with them.

      In fairness, it is worth noting. Russia (USSR) also once provided itself with passenger aircraft, and now it is purchasing used aircraft in the west.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 14: 20
        +1
        In fact, in 2018, more than 150 Sukhoi-Superjet aircraft were built in Russia, of which 125 were delivered to customers and 111 were already flying. The trouble is that it is an analogue of the Tu-134. And we need analogues of the Tu-154 and An-24. But with aircraft of this class, yes, trouble. As a result, we purchase Boeing and Airbus to replace the Tu-154, and Bombardier to replace the An-24. Now work is underway on IL-114, which by 2021 should begin to replace the An-24.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 26 February 2018 14: 25
          0
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          In fact, more than 2018 Sukhoi-Superjet aircraft were built in Russia in 150

          Superjet can be considered a joint production with Western companies. The main element is not the Russian engine, but in cooperation with the French. And avionics is also not domestic.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 14: 42
            +1
            Anyway, this plane is Russian. Otherwise, they would stop releasing it after the sanctions.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 26 February 2018 14: 51
              +1
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Anyway, this plane is Russian. Otherwise, they would stop releasing it after the sanctions.

              And what are the cars that are produced in Russia: Audi and Citroen (Kaluga), BMW, Kia and Hyundai (Kaliningrad), Ford (Naberezhnye Chelny), Datsun (Tolyatti), Hyundai and Kia (St. Petersburg), Mazda (Vladivostok). ..?
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 15: 09
                +4
                Russian of course.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 26 February 2018 16: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                  Russian of course.

                  Glad for the domestic auto industry! good Here, some campfire him in the tail and in the mane, and it turns out we are releasing him.
              2. Moore
                Moore 27 February 2018 10: 04
                +1
                Quote: Piramidon
                And what are the cars that are produced in Russia?

                Do not tell me that such a more or less technologically complex and in commercial quantities produced at 404, so that at least at the place of assembly could be called local? Mortar "Hammer"?
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 27 February 2018 10: 41
                  0
                  I don’t know that high-tech is now being released in 404. The discussion in my polemic with Cat Kuzey was about the SSJ-100. What does the "hammer" have to do with it?
          2. Chichikov
            Chichikov 26 February 2018 14: 58
            +5
            Quote: Piramidon
            Superjet can be considered a joint production with Western firms

            With the same success, we can talk about Airbus (60%) and Boeing (40%), which fly on Russian parts made of titanium.
        2. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 26 February 2018 15: 54
          0
          Kot_Kuzya Here, the matter is not so much different. Why the same Aeroflot buys Boeing and Airbus, For example, take 3 planes for a lard, 10% rollback, a bonus for the purchase. Here Mr. Saveliev is trying.
          1. shans2
            shans2 26 February 2018 16: 29
            +2
            purchases medium-haul and long-haul, Russia simply does not make them, the medium-haul MS-21 is only getting ready to start production in a couple of years .... but the superjets at Aeroflot, which has a short-haul, are already 37 pieces, and by the end of the year there will be all 50 ordered. ...
            1. Anyone
              Anyone 27 February 2018 23: 27
              0
              And what kind of superjet is our domestic? Well, nevermind ... It was in 2010 that he was imported at 50%. And today it is almost 80% imported ... And why aren’t they building long-range aircraft? And the IL-96-300 / IL-96-400?
        3. Anyone
          Anyone 27 February 2018 23: 03
          0
          In fact, only one Aeroflot over the past 12 years has bought more than 180 airplanes from Airbus. And more than 60 ordered. Taking into account leasing, forms, training, spare parts, consumables, etc. Aerofdlot has already swollen so much money in the aviation industry of France, Germany and China over these 12 years that it would be possible to buy the whole of Ukraine. Together with residents, Poroshenko and American locomotives. And before Airbus, Aeroflot bought a Boeing. And the daughter of Aeroflot Loukostovskaya flies on a Boeing 737-800. And we, by the way, do not have one airline in the country. And all on imported aircraft. And this is in a country that itself builds any kind of aircraft ...
  5. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 26 February 2018 12: 57
    +1
    photo interesting. And not that the door is broken, but the seats themselves, what is this antiquity ??? Sheathed with wooden boards, since the time of the USSR they have not been modernized.
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 26 February 2018 13: 10
      +6
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      photo interesting. And not that the door is broken, but the seats themselves, what is this antiquity ??? Sheathed with wooden boards, since the time of the USSR they have not been modernized.

      in Siberia, and now there are such, and these wooden seats are so durable that they last longer than the trains themselves. and I would not say that they are so uncomfortable, especially when you are in winter clothes))
    2. BAI
      BAI 26 February 2018 13: 13
      +1
      We have the same thing. When the correspondents of KP on trains from Moscow to Vladivostok got - were in the photo.
      And so - on the Internet
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 26 February 2018 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        We have the same thing. When the correspondents of KP on trains from Moscow to Vladivostok got - were in the photo.

        Exactly on electric trains? For example, electric trains do not run between Belogorsk and Arkhara. From Arkhara, the electric train runs towards Obluchye and even then not every day. There are a couple of sections of the Trans-Siberian Railway between the Chita region (Trans-Baikal Territory) and the Amur region where electric trains do not go ... For example, from There are no electric trains at all at Amazar station. I personally personally observed this in the late 90s and early 2000s, at that time I once a year rode the train and Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Novosibirsk and back. Well, just in case, according to the timetable checked the data stations, as it was not then, so no now ...
        1. ibirus
          ibirus 26 February 2018 15: 54
          +2
          The main thing is to lie, people will believe and will not check. And so they eat. Surprisingly, they learned to knock on buttons, but they do not want to check information.
  6. cedar
    cedar 26 February 2018 13: 05
    +3
    What God has to know about Wukraine, but the fact that the USA has Vukkraine as they want, when they want and where they want is a well-known fact.
    See the root. What traitors can bring the country and people.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 26 February 2018 13: 17
      +2
      Well, what did the residents of Banderostan want, having put a speculator, a thief and a murderer at the helm. For kickbacks, he will not only do this. This one will run away no matter when there is nowhere to steal or the red cock crowed to him, but the lackeys will tear apart their forelocks and gallop joyfully from such a life.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 27 February 2018 22: 56
        0
        Alexander 3, you have very colorfully described all this. I even put you a plus.
        The sad thing is that we have almost the same thing. It's just that the media is talking about this a lot less.
        Almost everywhere import, even the most trivial fasteners, bolts, nuts - Taiwan. Kickbacks - this is just the law of business, theft in the highest bodies of government - a common thing. He stole a billion - paid a fine of a million. Just the triumph of Themis.
        Squealing, of course, is possible. Only the soul is very filthy ...
  7. Idunavs
    Idunavs 26 February 2018 13: 09
    +2
    But what about the track width of the railway tracks, will they redo it for the lard ?!
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 26 February 2018 14: 13
      +1
      Well, probably the same as during the Great Patriotic War, when the United States supplied us with steam locomotives and various wagons, Canadians-rails. By the way, in my old garage, in the basement, the Canadian rail of 1942 was lying on the ceiling ...
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 27 February 2018 00: 57
      0
      But what about the track width of the railways,

      So they (Ukraine) seemed to be going to alter Eurocoly. Almost Europe!
  8. rus-5819
    rus-5819 26 February 2018 13: 09
    +1
    Agreement between Ukrainiansneaky and General Electric - an important step in the development of not only the transport system, but also the country's economy as a whole. And I am pleased

    Petyuhan around the world has already "licked", some (who do not give money) to exhaustion
    Today we already have American coal, and American nuclear fuel, and American weapons. We add American locomotives and a manufacturing partnership to this list.

    "Overcoat English, Japanese tobacco" .... State ruler, master rude!
  9. BAI
    BAI 26 February 2018 13: 09
    +2
    Why has he still not crossed the rail track to the Western European standard?
  10. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 26 February 2018 13: 10
    +3
    Why be surprised when D.A. being in the first persons boasted to the whole country after a trip to America that he bought a billion Boeing passenger from them
  11. belovur
    belovur 26 February 2018 13: 14
    +2
    As they say, for which they fought, they ran into something laughing
  12. nafanal
    nafanal 26 February 2018 13: 14
    +2
    Yes, this supposedly Pencilwan coal is loaded at our place in Novorossiysk. And it even looks like it is Donetsk. And as for the locomotives, they will alter their railway track to the Amer standard
  13. cedar
    cedar 26 February 2018 13: 23
    +3
    Quote: Nathanael
    Yes, this supposedly Pencilwan coal is loaded at our place in Novorossiysk. And it even looks like it is Donetsk. And as for the locomotives, they will alter their railway track to the Amer standard


    Since our coal .., so the "steam engine" can be ours. I read the article here. The commodity circulation of Russia with Vukrajna, despite the fact that we are terrible aggressors, quilted jackets and finally fat borsch Ukrainian cook .., in 2017 INCREASED.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 14: 23
      +1
      Yes, it seems that the information passed that 50% of the shares of this American company belong to Russian and Kazakhstani owners. If this is true, then Peremoga turns into zrada again laughing . Well, saucepans cannot get used to it.
  14. cobalt
    cobalt 26 February 2018 13: 51
    +2
    It remains to buy American fat.
  15. 23424636
    23424636 26 February 2018 14: 14
    +1
    this woman, according to Shari, on this deal raised the price by 2 times against a similar purchase by Kazakhstan and this corruption scheme as unnecessary was generally confirmed by the former deputy minister of infrastructure (transport) Alexander Kava, referring to the country's need for 2 system electric locomotives. What is this talking about? Just the nominee of the Russian ambassador Zurabov-Waltzman is cutting the budget of Ukraine for the sake of vile amers, throwing Europe that it seems he is preparing to land in Miami. As for diesel locomotives, the Lugansk diesel locomotive plant, the largest in Europe, was destroyed by Usmanov's Transmashholding, and in Bryansk where never they didn’t do the main diesel locomotives, but only shunting ones, announced the launch of the 2TE25a, of course, not without the participation of technologies and developments of the closed Lugansk enterprise.
  16. sgr291158
    sgr291158 26 February 2018 14: 15
    +1
    Now Petka is being sucked in by another junk, and he will rejoice like a child, but get drunk with joy.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 26 February 2018 14: 17
    +2
    And then you have to remove the pots!
    Itself will not resolve, the foreign "partners" will pull away what remains after the leaders of the mandown mob!
    Everything is familiar however. Fortunately, the elite’s self-preservation reflex worked, but greed was overwhelmed by greed, we preferred gam!
    Shaw it was, good fortune guess now.
    Dill fl is still to be, there’s no escape from it!
  18. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 February 2018 14: 48
    +2
    Soon they will import air from the FSA, the air of freedom laughing
    PS
    They say it is the usual Russian-American diesel locomotive TE33A, which are produced in Kazakhstan. The plant is owned by 50/50 Transmashholding and GE.
    To make the original Evolution ES44ACi for the Russian gauge of 1520, it is as simple as changing the tires on a car. good
    The Russian-Kazakh version of TE33A is actually a new diesel locomotive, the production of which requires a separate line. It is hoped that for the sake of a small batch of 30 cars, the Americans will build a conveyor belt under the TE33A.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 15: 11
      +2
      What a hell! To all zrad zrad laughing ! In pots, as always, the next day turns into zrada lol .
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 February 2018 15: 28
        +2
        No, they don’t recognize this either tomorrow or later! Saucepan then, protection from anything and everything!
  19. Slovak
    Slovak 26 February 2018 17: 17
    +1
    The funny thing is that the price of 1 locomotive is 2 million more expensive than for other buyers. Korea, for example, purchased the same models for just 2 million! Those. rollback is equal to the cost! This is a collaboration!
  20. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 26 February 2018 19: 15
    0
    Ukraine is capable of producing locomotives itself, and cooperation with General Electric should develop in this direction

    Where else can it produce them if the Luganskteplovoz sailed with the LPR?
  21. vital.33
    vital.33 26 February 2018 19: 43
    +1
    Hmmm ... It is a pity to observe that once a good site, more and more it turns into a hotbed of cheap rumors, from cheap "magazines". It’s also a pity to see how like adults and smart people can’t go to another site (just for fun) and read “what is really there” ... negative
    Further read only to those who are interested in the truth ..)))
    “On February 23, PJSC“ Ukrzaliznytsia ”signs a framework agreement with General Electric. We agree on the phased localization of production to 40% and enter the global GE market, ”said Groisman Ukrinform.
    (What is "phased localization" I think everyone knows).

    “A contract worth $ 1 billion was prepared very quickly. It provides for the purchase of new locomotives, a gradual increase in the localization of production, the modernization of existing locomotives. [The financing of the project provides] the active involvement of Ukrainian banking structures at the first stage, and our partners from the United States of America at the second stage, ”the president said.
    (One billion dollars is worth the whole project, not thirty diesel locomotives, but nobody cares ..)))

    The purchase of the first 30 locomotives will cost Ukrzaliznytsia $ 140 million with MPE. The leasing procedure will be used as a form of settlement. The entire project, according to preliminary information, will cost $ 1 billion. Ukreximbank and Citibank acted as guarantors of the transaction from Ukraine and the USA, respectively .. The whole project, according to preliminary information, "According to sources, the first stage of the agreement is planned for the period from October 2018 years to the end of the first quarter of 2019 with a localization of at least 10% in Ukraine. The total volume of locomotive deliveries will reach 2034 by 225. Under the large-site assembly of locomotives, they are going to use the capacities of the Kryukovo Car Building Plant (KVSZ). The purchase of the first 30 locomotives will cost Ukrzaliznitsi $ 140 million with PDV. Ukreximbank and Citibank acted as guarantors of the transaction from Ukraine and the USA, respectively. "

    (That is, 30 locomotives will be bought not for a billion dollars, but for 140 million, but who cares ..)) The main thing is to shout about a billion, and there even though the grass does not grow ... Who cares about the truth. and details .. wassat
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 February 2018 21: 55
      +4
      We saw, read in principle, but do not believe in principle ... would there be a clear example of such a successful collaboration ... wah with foreign partners ???
      That's when, so right away.
      Words, only words, but things !!!!
      1. putnik115
        putnik115 27 February 2018 10: 01
        +1
        But does Amers have a different gauge? If the other, then what are the locomotives? These cars can be put on carts with a different width, and the locomotive must be designed and built in a new, different track. This, IMHO, other dollars ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 27 February 2018 11: 20
          +1
          Another track, in geyropa identity. We can really deliver from Kazakhstan, the track corresponds to the branch and from the amers.
    2. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 27 February 2018 12: 04
      0
      Quote: vital.33
      once a good site, more and more it turns into a hotbed of cheap rumors, from cheap "magazines".

      And you, dear vital.33, are there like Kovtun, Suvorov and others on the TV channels of the Russian Federation, are you setting your brains on?
      1. vital.33
        vital.33 28 February 2018 19: 35
        0
        Mmmm ... I didn’t quite understand what you wrote .. Please clarify ... I don’t know who Kovtun is, and Suvorov ... and what does it mean to “set your brains on”?
  22. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter 27 February 2018 22: 51
    0
    Locomotives themselves are inexpensive, but after-sales service will cost a pretty penny. The current call of one service engineer (from behind a puddle) will rise to 20-25 thousand green .....
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 February 2018 09: 12
      +1
      It’s a lot if, but on any one they did extremely locomotives, and further they could continue to support themselves.
      No options, this is zrada!
      All blah blah about localization, investments, I can stay that way!
      It’s not interesting for us already, but to take the pots off to the Krains and think about how!
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