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Alexander Pokryshkin and his fighter Bell P-39 Airacobra

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Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin was born in 1913 year in Novonikolayevsk (Novosibirsk) in a family of poor settlers. Already with 14 years he begins his working career. Dreams of the sky led Alexander to an aviation school, which, as it turned out, was preparing only aircraft technicians. Having finished this institution and having perfectly learned the material part, Pokryshkin did not stop at this and soon the external student perfectly passed the exams at the flying club. After that, he completed his studies at the Kachinsky School of Pilots and was sent to serve in the 55-IAP, located in the area of ​​the city of Balti near the Soviet-Romanian border. For 2 a month before the start of World War II, the regiment received MiG-3 fighters.


In an effort to reach maximum heights in the development of a fighter, Pokryshkin directed almost all of his knowledge and strength to improve flight and combat skills. Initially, he badly shot at the "cone", but as a result of constant training he was able to become one of the best snipers of his regiment. Considering the fact that in the air the pilots performed worse right turns and tried to avoid them, Alexander Pokryshkin begins to deliberately train the execution of sharp right maneuvers. In general, the future pilot-ace paid a lot of attention to sharp maneuvering in air battles. In order to cope with serious overloads, he played a lot of sports. In between training sessions, Pokryshkin was able to calculate how much time it takes to change the position of the aircraft from the moment the pilot influenced certain control knobs - everything seemed important in air combat.

His first plane, Alexander Pokryshkin, shot down an 22 of June 1941 of the year. Unfortunately, the car shot down by him turned out to be its own Su-2 near bomber. The bomber landed on the fuselage in the field, its pilot survived, but the navigator was killed. The chaos of that first day largely saved the future of the ace, and he got off with only a very serious catch-up from the authorities. Within a few days, Pokryshkin knocks down a German fighter Bf.109 in a reconnaissance flight, but after looking at the falling car, he himself was hit and barely brings the plane to the airfield. The command highly appreciates the reconnaissance report of the pilot, and he is increasingly attracted to carry out reconnaissance flights. Despite strict instructions not to engage in battles, Pokryshkin constantly gets involved in them, considering it shameful to return to the airfield with full ammunition. Once he flew to the base with a broken canopy canopy. The bullet of the tail gunner of the Ju.88 bomber landed right in the sight and the pilot was not killed by a miracle.
Alexander Pokryshkin and his fighter Bell P-39 Airacobra
Alexander Pokryshkin with his Slave Georgy Golubev

In one of the flights during the attack of the pontoon bridge over the Prut River, Pokryshkin is shot down by anti-aircraft artillery and he plans straight into the forest and loses consciousness, after which 3 gets through the front line to his airfield for 24 hours. Once again involved in the fighting, he is increasingly thinking about new methods of fighting. In the 1941 year, he writes that the main failure in escorting the SB bombers is the low speed of the fighters, the consequence of which is the conduct of the battle on horizontal maneuvers. The conclusion suggests one: to accompany the bombers of outdated structures is necessary only at high speed. For her accomplishments, accompanying fighters should perform a “snake” flight, above and behind the escorted vehicles, in echelon in height. In this case, the links and pairs of fighters should build a "snake" towards each other, providing mutual cover, the so-called tracking method using the "scissors" method.

After heavy battles of the 1941, the 55 fighter air regiment is brought to re-formation and receives new Yak-1 fighters, at the same time becoming the 16-Guards IAP. At the front of the regiment gets in June 1942 year. During the 6 months of flying on the Yak, Pokryshkin scored no less than 7 victories; among the planes he shot down were 4 Bf.109 and 2 Ju.88.

In the spring of 1943, the regiment again receives new cars, this time the American fighter aircraft R-39 "Air Cobra". It was on them the regiment pilots got into the epicenter of the battle in the Kuban. In these battles, Pokryshkin’s strong abilities as a fighter pilot are manifested to a great extent. It is worth noting that the American 37-mm gun had an extremely low rate of fire. Pokryshkin connected from one trigger to the firing of both guns and machine guns. The results were not long in coming; when hit, the enemy's plane literally tore apart.

Here he comes up with a new battle formation, called the "Kuban whatnot" and contributes to its implementation in all fighter units aviation. He also introduces other elements of air combat, for example, getting out from under the impact on a turn of a descending “barrel” with a decrease in speed. A yawning enemy could slip past the target and find itself in the sight of a bypassed aircraft. Pokryshkin taught the pilots: “Look for the enemy, he is not you, but you must find him. Initiative and surprise are the components of victory. Maneuver so as to deceive, outsmart the enemy. Attack boldly, decisively. If you haven’t knocked down - disrupt his plan, by this you will achieve a lot. ”

According to official figures in the sky of the Kuban, Alexander Pokryshkin knocks down 16 German aircraft, but the actual numbers could be big. Only 12 in April in the area of ​​the Krymskaya station, he knocks down the 4 Messerschmitt Bf.109, and on April 28 in one fight at once 5 "laptop bakers" Ju.87. During the patrol, Pokryshkin never flew in a straight line, in order not to lose speed, his fighter moved in waves, along a trajectory resembling an ellipse.

24 May 1943, the year Pokryshkin was first awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. At this point, he had 25 shot down German aircraft. Already after 3 of the month, he receives the second Star of the Hero. Fighting in the skies of Ukraine, he bills another 18 "Junkers", including two high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft. In November, 1943 of the year, using suspended tanks, he arranges for the hunt for the German Ju.52 transporters, flying over the Black Sea communications. For the 4 departure over the Black Sea, he sends X-NUMX transport Junkers to the bottom.

In February, the 1944 of the year in the career of the pilot comes the turn. Being afraid of losing the famous hero and the symbol of propaganda, he is forbidden to fly a lot and gradually he concentrates on teamwork. In June 1944 he received the rank of colonel and takes command of the 9-th Guards Air Division. From 65 his official victories, only 6 was won in the last 2 years of war. In August 1944, he is awarded the third Golden Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union. In total, during the war, the ace pilot conducted 650 sorties, 156 air battles, personally shot down 59 aircraft and 6 in the group. After the war ended, he mastered fighter jets, one of the first to start flying the MiG-9, in 1972 he became the Marshal of Aviation.
Fighter P-39N "Airacobra" c number 100, which flew Pokryshkin

Bell P-39 "Airacobra"

By the end of World War II, the American fighters Р-39N and Р-39Q were the main fighters that the USSR received under lend-lease. Total USSR received 4952 fighter from 9584 produced vehicles. It was on the P-39N fighter "Airacobra" with airborne No. 100 that Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin ended the war. The Soviet ace pilot creatively approached this aircraft and created tactics for its combat use against German aircraft. Flying on the Aircobra Pokryshkin from the spring of 1943, he shot down 48 of enemy aircraft, bringing his personal victories to 59 machines.

The P-39 “Airacobra” is a single-seat, all-metal, cantilever, low-lying monoplane, the plane had a three-post landing gear. The design of the aircraft was quite unusual for its time, since the engine was located behind the cockpit. A special gasoline heater was used to heat the weapons compartment and the cockpit. For the same reason, the gearbox screw had its own lubrication system, which was not connected to the engine. The cockpit compartment was located behind the weapons compartment and was separated from it by a special fire and gas-tight partition. The cockpit canopy was fixed. On the sides of the cabin there were two doors opening on the cabin ceiling, in appearance resembled automobile ones. The right door served for entering / exiting the cabin, and the left was used only as an emergency exit and did not have a stop that would fix it in the open position. It was not recommended to use it, since part of the radio equipment was additionally mounted on it.

The engine compartment was located behind the cockpit and was separated by a special fire wall. The aircraft was fitted with an Allison V-1710 engine of various modifications, with power from 1100 to 1325 hp. (excluding afterburner mode). The engine allowed the aircraft to reach a speed of 605 km / h at an altitude of 4200 meters and 531 km / h on the ground. The engine was started using an electric starter from a ground source (on the left side of the fuselage on the left or on the left wing there was a socket of a ground power source) or an onboard battery. It was also possible to manually start the motor with the start handle.

To manually start a 2 man with the help of a start handle (called “friendship knob” by Soviet technicians), 3-5 minutes had to spin the starter flywheel until it reached high speed, after which the starter shaft adhered to the engine shaft. The access hatch to the starter was located on the right behind the engine. The starting handle was located under the easily removable fairing of the right wing. Most of the airplanes had a three-bladed steel propeller (model P-39Q21-25 - four-bladed) produced by Aeroprodacs or Curtiss Electric. The pitch of the propeller in flight could vary. The diameter of the screws ranged from 3,16 to 3,54 meters.

The power supply system of the engine consisted of six-section wing fuel tanks and pipelines. The volume of tanks varied depending on the modification of the fighter, but, as a rule, was equal to 450 liters. The possibility of installing suspended tanks was also provided. The aircraft could be in the air for more than 3,5 hours, its range was about 1000 km. The practical ceiling was 10 670 meters.

Armament fighter was quite diverse and varied depending on the modifications of the aircraft. In the first versions, it consisted of 20-mm cannons (60 ammunition of shells) on late 37-mm cannons (30 ammunition of shells), as well as 2-x12,7-mm synchronous fuselage machine guns (ammunition of 200-270 patrons). x 4-mm wing machine guns (7,62-500 ammunition ammunition). On the P-1000Q modification, instead of 39 machine guns of rifle caliber, two 4-mm machine guns were installed, which were located in the fairing under the wing. It should be noted separately that, starting with the sub-variant of the Q-12,7 machine, wing machine guns were often not installed. Soviet experts believed that two 20-mm machine guns and 12,7-mm guns were enough for most purposes and more appreciated a certain increase in maneuverability and flight characteristics of the fighter.

Nasal 12,7-mm machine guns were mounted in such a way that their breech went into the cockpit, which allowed the pilot, in case of need, to manually reload them. The holes in the front wall of the cabin through which the breech parts of the machine guns were covered were covered with a leather partition with a zipper-type fastener, which made it possible to avoid cold air entering the cabin during the flight. At the same time, such a design did not effectively protect the pilot from powder gases when firing machine guns and cannons. In order that during the shooting the alignment of the aircraft was not disturbed too much, the empty links of the machine-gun belt together with the spent cartridges from the machine guns and the guns were accumulated in special compartments in the lower part of the fuselage, from where they were removed on the ground.

On the P-39 "Airacobra" reserved cockpit, oxygen cylinders and a motor. Behind the fighter pilot was safely protected by the engine, behind which there was an armored plate. Directly behind the pilot's head was an armored glass 63,5 mm thick, and just below was another armored plate. The front of the pilot was protected by a bullet-proof glass 35 mm thick, which was adjoined by an inclined armor plate. In addition, with the help of 5 armor plate screw was protected, which also increased the protection of the pilot in front. In this case, such a reservation can be considered not entirely rational, since the pilot was actually protected twice from behind and in front.

Sources used:
www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/pokrishk.html
www.aviahobby.ru/publ/pokr_rechk/pokr_rechk.html
www.vspomniv.ru/P_39
www.airpages.ru/uk/p39rus.shtml
Alexander Pokryshkin (1985)

Directed by: Demin D.
Cast: A.Pokryshkin, G.Dolnikov, K.Suhov, V.Berezkin, G.Golubev, A.Trud, I.Babak.
Year: 1985
Country: USSR

About the Soviet fighter pilot, three times Hero of the Soviet Union, Marshal aviation A. Pokryshkin and his fellow soldiers G. Dolnikov, K. Sukhov, V. Berezkin, G. Golubev, A. Trude, I. Babake.

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  1. late
    late April 21 2012 08: 50
    +10
    I read Artyom Drabkin's book "I am a fighter!" It contains the memories of our pilots in the first person, all their war days flash right before our eyes, and their opinion about the Luftwaffe pilots is also interesting. Drabkin has several books about our tankmen, artillery fighters (those , who was called - Farewell, Motherland!), namely those who fought, and did not sit 5 km from the front line and who managed to survive.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 21 2012 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: spat
      I read Artyom Drabkin's book “I am a fighter!” It contains the recollections of our pilots in the first person

      But just the memories did not try to read?
      The same Pokryshkin, pilot-cosmonaut Beregovoy. Yes, a lot of them, just do not remember.
      good
      1. Dr. Pilyulkin
        Dr. Pilyulkin April 22 2012 12: 05
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        I read. Very interesting, but I think Drabkin’s books are more useful. They are mainly the memories of ordinary pilots. Without cuts. It is no secret that the books of famous pilots published in Soviet times were censored. This is not in the books of Drabkin: he writes as is.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic April 22 2012 17: 28
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Pillkin
          This is not in the books of Drabkin: he writes as is.

          Kaby to know that it is - as it is!
          Each has its own point of view, its own vision from its place.
          I do not want to say / make an assessment of the works of Artem Drabkin, that's just, except for this
          Quote: spat
          Drabkin has several books about our tankers, artillery fighters

          Somehow not that, I'm sorry purely for life.
          At one time, the library talked about me, reader 9 (c).
      2. iva12936
        iva12936 27 October 2013 13: 54
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        There is a book "Paired with the Hundredth", Pokryshkina's wingman writes, Golubev, I liked it since childhood.
  2. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 April 21 2012 09: 37
    +16
    “Akhtung! Achtung! Pokryshkin is in der play! ” - this is by no means a “myth of Soviet propaganda,” as some German aces say, if they were able to escape from heaven at the time Pokryshkin appeared.


    Thank you - Soviet soldiers of the Great Patriotic War !!!
    Bright memory!!!
    1. Sergh
      Sergh April 21 2012 10: 21
      +10
      Here he is our countrywoman, in childhood I read a lot of books about him, and his memories too. Heroic personality, a pilot from God! But in reality, he shot down about three times more, but since our counting system was kind of relatively German, that is, even if Pryshkin shot down an enemy plane, and he fell far beyond the front line, he was not counted, but Germans defamed in full:

      “On November 6, 1943, during a 17-minute battle over Lake Ladoga, Rudorffer announced that 13 Soviet cars had been hit by him. It was, of course, one of the greatest successes in fighter aircraft and at the same time one of the most controversial fights ... "

      Why exactly 13 aircraft in 17 minutes? You need to ask Erich himself about this. His words were not in doubt. True, there was Thomas an unbeliever who asked, and who can confirm this fact? To which Rudoffer, without batting an eye, said: “How do I know? All thirteen Russian aircraft fell to the bottom of Lake Ladoga. "

      Do you think this fact confused the compilers of the Guinness Book of Records? No matter how! Rudoffer's name is listed in this book as an example of the highest combat effectiveness.

      Meanwhile, some researchers emphasize that the number of actually shot down aircraft and attributed amounted to a ratio of approximately 1: 3, 1: 4. As an example, the same Alexei Isaev in his book “Ten World War Two Myths”

      “Take, for example, two days, May 13 and 14, 1942, the height of the battle for Kharkov. On May 13, the Luftwaffe announces 65 downed Soviet aircraft, 42 of which are recorded on their own account by the III group of the 52nd fighter squadron. Documented losses of the Soviet Air Force on May 13 are 20 aircraft. The next day, pilots of group III of the 52nd fighter squadron report about 47 Soviet aircraft shot down in a day. The commander of the 9th squadron of the group, German Graf, announced six victories, his co-pilot Alfred Grislavsky chalked up two MiG-3s, Lieutenant Adolf Dickfeld announced nine (!) Victories that day. The real losses of the Red Army Air Force on May 14 were three times smaller, 14 aircraft (5 Yak-1, 4 LaGG-3, 3 Il-2, 1 Su-2 and 1 R-5). MiG-3s are simply not on this list. ”

      Why did you need such postscripts? First of all, in order to justify a large number of losses on their part. It is easy to ask the regiment commander who lost 20-27 aircraft in one day. But if in response he talks about 36-40 enemy aircraft shot down, then the attitude towards him will be completely different. No wonder the guys gave their lives!

      Honor and glory to our heroes winners!
  3. itr
    itr April 21 2012 10: 53
    +3
    59 planes are just a lot !! Well done !
    1. 755962
      755962 April 21 2012 11: 34
      +8
      Quote: itr
      59 planes are just a lot !!

      However, judging by everything, the real number of enemies defeated by ace is even greater and, according to historians, is approximately equal to a hundred. The reasons for this are as follows: firstly, Pokryshkin often “handed over” the downed planes to his young fellow soldiers so that they would replenish their account and gain confidence, and secondly, in Soviet aviation there was a much more stringent procedure for confirming downed planes than Germans, and even our propaganda did not ascribe dozens of downed planes to their pilots, as did the department of Dr. Goebbels.
      1. Kobra66
        Kobra66 April 21 2012 20: 48
        +2
        In Germany, it was believed that one engine - one aircraft, that is, for our downed TB-3, they relied on 4 planes, for the Pe-2 - 2 aircraft, and for some kind of single-engine fighter - 1 aircraft, this is one of the reasons for the large numbers of the Luftwaffe
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 21 2012 21: 34
        +2
        Quote: 755962
        and secondly, there was a much tougher order in Soviet aviation



        I agree for a hundred and thirdly, the flight book of Alexander Ivanovich was lost during the retreat of 1941 and all the Germans brought down by him did not go into the further standings,
        1. Dr. Pilyulkin
          Dr. Pilyulkin April 22 2012 12: 28
          +2
          Hunting, as a method of warfare, was not widely used in the first half of the war. When covering, bombers or attack aircraft, the main task was to prevent the destruction of these, and not to shoot more fighters. This task is not fulfilled - the punishment up to the tribunal. This fact is widely known. They also punished for avoiding the battle. The German ace could not join the battle if the situation was not in his favor. The Soviet pilot did not have such a right.
          In general, disputes over who brought down the most seem naive. In war, everyone did his job. A scout who flew out on a mission on an unprotected fighter from the ground, walked over the heads of enemies, recording what was happening on the ground, without the right to anti-aircraft maneuver, deserves no less honor than our illustrious Heroes-aces. Each such pilot saved more than one thousand soldiers with his intelligence.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic April 22 2012 17: 35
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            Purely rhetorically.
            The German ace could be given the Iron Cross for one downed plane, and as everyone remembers, not for a super fighter / bomber, but for plywood U-2! With the pilot girl!
            Glory to the heroes !
  4. Dust
    Dust April 21 2012 11: 06
    +6
    Pokryshkin should have more aircraft on his account - his regiment was surrounded and the counter, which is called reset to zero ...
    We must not forget that he was an outstanding scout and an even more outstanding mentor of young pilots!
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 April 21 2012 16: 52
      +1
      Quote: Dust

      Pokryshkin should have more aircraft on his account - his regiment was surrounded and the counter, which is called reset to zero ...
      We must not forget that he was an outstanding scout and an even more outstanding mentor of young pilots!


      A.I. Pokryshkin - The first-rate star in Russian fighter aircraft.
      An outstanding ace, innovator, teacher, with a careful reading of the memoirs of Marshal
      enemy aircraft shot down really much more official
      digits. Raised more than thirty Heroes of the Soviet Union of which six Twice! We can say the Heroes air regiment ..!
  5. vetdd
    vetdd April 21 2012 11: 10
    +6
    Eternal glory to our pilots ALL pilots are GODS on earth
  6. Indigo
    Indigo April 21 2012 11: 37
    +8
    Soldiers and Heroes of the Empire red star! Do not flinch in 41-42g. survived at 43, and 44-45 regularly did their military work. Artisans were grandfathers. Harnessed for a long time, but then do not stop. Eternal Glory to them!
  7. suharev-52
    suharev-52 April 21 2012 14: 53
    +3
    A low bow to all who gave their lives to the glory of the Fatherland. Are we worthy of our ancestors? I think no. If they were worthy, they would not be allowed to sell Russia to the right and to the left. Sincerely.
  8. laurbalaur
    laurbalaur April 21 2012 14: 54
    +9
    Great person ! Pilot and tactician! In the photo, a dedication copy of Alexander Ivanovich's book "The Sky of War", to my grandfather!
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 21 2012 19: 03
      +3
      Thanks to all veterans of the living and the dead.
      Thank you separately for recalling this book: "War Sky" !
      And reminded others of it!
      drinks
  9. Roman62
    Roman62 April 21 2012 19: 54
    +1
    Eternal glory to the dead and still alive! Thanks to them!
  10. 8 company
    8 company April 21 2012 21: 57
    +2
    The article is interesting, thanks to the author. I can supplement the training of pilots before the war. The German pilot had a raid in a flight school for 200 hours and another 200 hours in the regiment before sorties. Of course, this is in the first half of the war. Our pilots raid was 6-10 times less. Up until the spring of 1941, the order of the People's Commissar was given 30 hours, while forbidding the performance of certain elements due to high accident rate. In general, in the summer of 1941. about 1 shot down German plane accounted for about 6 shot down Soviet. This is in aerial combat. Here is such a sad statistic, associated exclusively with the poor training of Soviet pilots. The situation evened out only in the middle of the war, when the Germans began to give less time to study for their pilots, and ours more.
    1. Captain 71
      Captain 71 12 May 2012 13: 13
      0
      This is not entirely true.
      If you read the reports on the combat operations of the aviation of the Odessa Military District in the first month of the war, you will see the ratio of aircraft losses of about 1: 1 with the namies in this sector of the front. It was just that the commander of the OVO Air Force "succumbed to the provocation" and the air units of the district were not taken by surprise on June 22, 1941, and did not lose their combat effectiveness after the German air raids.
  11. Alex
    Alex April 22 2012 07: 03
    +2
    The reasons why the German aces' battle accounts were hundreds of victories, and the Soviet dozens of downed planes, several.
    Firstly, the methods of combat employment and tactics of fighters among the Germans and with us:
    Germans have the main task of fighter-search and destruction of aircraft, and we have the cover of ground forces, i.e. Most of the time, our fighter jets simply lurked near the front line while waiting for the enemy. The Germans, in the main, were free to hunt and tried to attack the weakest first - those who lagged behind the group and damaged planes, newcomers often kept watch near airfields, when returning crews were often not as alert as over enemy territory. The Germans tried not to accept the battle in obviously unfavorable conditions and did not consider this cowardice. Ours often engaged in battle with a numerically superior enemy. The Germans tried not to get involved in maneuvering battles, but suddenly attack and immediately get out of the battle, turn around and repeat the attack. By the way, it’s worth paying attention that the Germans have an order of magnitude more fights than ours.
    Secondly, the calculation method:
    The Germans needed a pilot report, a witness report and pictures of a film machine gun. With reports, it is clear that the participants in the battle cannot accurately track down whether or not a downed enemy has fallen. From the images you can only determine if there were hits and roughly estimate the degree of damage, that is, it is impossible to reliably confirm the destruction of the enemy. After all, often counted as shot down planes returned home and, moreover, they fought again after repairs. Maybe that's why the Germans did not consider the downed planes, but the victories won. That is, he got and caused a certain percentage of damage-victory.
    In addition to the reports of the pilots, we also needed confirmation of the ground forces. It is clear that this is far from always possible, and even more so in the conditions of the 1941-1942 retreat. And only downed planes were considered.
    Summarizing, the statistics of German aces are largely blown. And most importantly, Soviet aviation broke the Luftwaffe ridge, and not vice versa.

    PS. Anglo-Americans have dozens of accounts of the best aces, as well as the Japanese. If we assume that the Germans are the most, but not the same.
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 April 24 2012 23: 48
      +2
      I strongly advise you to read the book by Y. Mukhin "Aces and Propaganda" on this matter. If we discard the excessive, in my subjective opinion, politicization, then very interesting facts remain:
      1) Once on the Eastern Front, the German "experts" began to increase the astronomical accounts of the downed Red Army planes.
      2) Having fallen to the Western front after the Eastern Front, the same experts very sharply lost activity, bringing down 10-20 times less in a longer period of time.
      From the foregoing, the conclusion suggests itself that the Anglo-American pilots were better prepared and it was harder for the Germans to shoot them down.
      But fact No. 3 - the best ace of the Allies, excluding the Red Army, had 38 shot down (remember how many aces we had shot down more than 40), and in quantitative terms the Allied pilots who shot down more than 5 aircraft of the Axis were more than 10 times less than in the Red Army .
      You can also correlate the losses on the Eastern Front among the Germans and on the Western. Often the Germans, according to their accounts, "destroyed" more than there was in any sector of the front of our aircraft. Take, for example, the air battle over the Blue Line in the Kuban in 1943. This is because how could a German pilot fill out reporting forms for 9-10 American bombers shot down in one battle in the sky over Berlin, when everyone saw how many of them actually fell, also taking into account the strongest anti-aircraft cover? The Eastern Front is another matter - who will check how many downed Soviet planes fell, especially behind the front line?
      And fact No. 4 - German pilots were given a cross on the Eastern Front for shooting down, at different times of the war, from 50 to 150 aircraft, and on the West they received a similar award for 10-15 aircraft (which, incidentally, corresponded to our GSS). Here again, you can apply the above fact number 3 regarding the pilots of the Allies. In general, on the Western Front, with postscript was more difficult, because in sight. And then the system of points, and not guaranteed destroyed aircraft, did its job there too.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 5 May 2012 15: 35
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        The Allies carried out massive bombardments, and this is often not less than 100 aircraft at a time, of which half are bombers, which have at least 6 pieces of 12,7 mm browning, plus fighter jets, plus they fly in several echelons. So it turns out that popping into such an armada tantamount to suicide. But we must pay tribute to them, mediated and shot down.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 5 May 2012 15: 28
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      Due to the survivability of the IL-2, the Germans lined up for an attack to shoot and record hits in vital areas of the aircraft. And the fact that these areas were securely armored was not taken into account. On their planes such hits are definitely annihilation! So - drill a hole for the cross and there will be a bonus to a salary. fellow
    3. G562
      G562 9 December 2020 01: 11
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      It is also necessary to take into account the system of counting downed aircraft in the Luftwaffe - all aircraft shot down by a pair were credited to the leader. The Germans often flew in fours, or rather in two pairs, the main pair and the auxiliary pair, in which case everything was credited to the leader of the main pair. In addition, they did not have such meticulousness in proving downed aircraft as we have.
  12. sichevik
    sichevik April 22 2012 14: 19
    +3
    Even if they want what they want in the West, they are talking about their geniuses, aces and the best military equipment. Facts --- a stubborn thing. We won the war WE and only WE !!! And they broke the backbone of Hitler’s military machine (for which all Europe worked, and for which, by the way, almost all of Europe fought), too, We, and not some allies there. Which, by the way, only prevented us from their second front
    ETERNAL MEMORY OF ALL Fallen and Surviving PARTICIPANTS OF THAT WAR ----- AND FRONTERS, AND VALENT WORKERS OF THE REAR !!!
  13. Khabarov
    Khabarov April 22 2012 20: 12
    +1
    sergh read somewhere about the system for counting downed vehicles in the German Air Force, which took into account the number of engines on enemy vehicles. That is, if a pilot shot down a twin-engine attack aircraft, two cars were counted for him. stupidity of course. In general, he was born and raised on Pokryshkin Street and only after a certain time and on his own initiative did he learn about the life and battles of the legends of our Air Force.
    1. Alex
      Alex April 23 2012 08: 41
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      The assumption about counting downed aircraft for engines was born during the war years among our pilots, since the personal accounts of German aces were not imaginatively large.
      In fact, the Germans were counting the planes, but only without unconditional confirmation of the destruction. but according to its cunning method according to the data of means of "objective control" (cine-photo machine guns). I don't remember in which book (for a long time it was) I saw examples of pictures. It is impossible to understand something from such images of terrible quality. treat it as you please.
      By the way, on the last serial I-16s (I don’t remember which types, mb.29), we put film guns on the garrot above the pilot’s head. On the new fighters, it seems not, I don’t know for sure.
      1. Gamdlislyam
        Gamdlislyam April 25 2012 17: 56
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        You’re right, colleague, on half-laden manufactured Tim 28 and 29 planes, machine guns were placed, but not at all. In the last year of the war, light machine guns also began to be put on our fighters.
        The Germans did not count on the motors, but on the balls - yes. And the balls depended on the number of engines, the purpose of the aircraft and its significance. Rewards and monetary rewards depended on points.
        True, the number of points required for rewarding on the western front was 4-7 times less than on the eastern.
  14. mind1954
    mind1954 April 22 2012 20: 42
    +1
    THANKS FOR MEMORY!

    I don’t know what kind of censorship is involved, but in his memoirs he talks about everything
    wrote. How he shot down the Su-2. And you see "Military planes"!
    Such, exact copies of the Su-2, was full of the Poles and the Italians and the Romanians!
    He honestly wrote that he always shot at the pilot! This is rational since
    war is war! If he personally knocked out several planes in a group,
    then he divided them into everyone in the group, even as a boss!

    To the question of American aircraft! Delivered, as claimed,
    cabs upholstered with multi-colored leather, like in a car, and, with the same
    colors, fur jumpsuits! Well it's just like fur leather
    coat for the Studebakers drivers. Anyway, the seating
    in the "Shermans" were like in a car made of genuine leather, which
    ours immediately ripped off their boots!

    And these German aces with photo-machine guns on the "free hunt" -
    - it is not known what they shot down there, but the rear terrorized and how
    As a result, have you heard much about captured German pilots ???
    When they were shot down, they didn’t have time to get to the landing site,
    to capture them alive! Their troops, and even civilians
    torn to pieces!
    1. Alex
      Alex April 23 2012 09: 04
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      There was still censorship. She touched upon those places in his memoirs where Alexander Ivanovich speaks very impartially of some aviation commanders. Uncut memoirs were published in 90 in the Wings of the Motherland magazine.
  15. schta
    schta April 23 2012 10: 38
    +1
    The difficulty of piloting aerial cobras due to the location of the motor was compensated by a cannon and heavy machine guns.
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam April 25 2012 18: 07
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      R-39 was difficult to manage. This fact is noted by all the pilots who flew on it. These planes retrained regiments that achieved notable successes in battles, i.e. having experienced pilots.
      But, even Pokryshkin A.I. in his memoirs, mentions more than one case of loss of aircraft during training flights to their regiment.
      1. Denzel13
        Denzel13 1 May 2012 13: 45
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        A little bit wrong, carefully re-read his memoirs and memoirs of his colleagues. There was a moment a young pilot (I don’t remember my last name) fell into a corkscrew in front of the entire command (including Pokryshkin), could not get out of it and jumped with a parachute. It is interesting that the plane itself left it, already without a pilot, after which it fell uncontrollable. In addition, the GSS Clubs died precisely in a flight accident, during an airplane overhaul after repair.
        1. Alex
          Alex 3 May 2012 15: 25
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          If the memory does not change, the Clubs died due to a tool forgotten in the fuselage that jammed the steering wheel cables (I could be wrong as I read Pokryshkin about 40 years ago).
          Erkobra was strict in management and tended to stall into a flat corkscrew, from which she hardly came out. In this regard, a group of specialists, including test pilot Kochetkov, visited the Bell company in the states. One of the measures against a corkscrew (maintaining alignment in flight) is indicated in the article - the collection of spent cannon shells and synchronized machine guns in special fuselage compartments.
  16. G562
    G562 9 December 2020 01: 00
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    It is also necessary to take into account the system of counting downed aircraft in the Luftwaffe - all aircraft shot down by a pair were credited to the leader. The Germans often flew in fours, or rather in two pairs, the main pair and the auxiliary pair, in which case everything was credited to the leader of the main pair. In addition, they did not have such meticulousness in proving downed aircraft as we have.