Military Review

German silent revolver PDSR 3

53
It is fun enough to watch when watching not the most low-budget films, as the main character under the cover of night in complete silence destroys his enemies one by one with a revolver with a silent shooting device attached to it. Needless to say, the revolver is not at all the one that the Nagan brothers developed in 1895, usually it is something massive and more important in size, so that it is more impressive. It is strange that with all the bloated budgets, the films are not worth the money for an adequate consultant, and there is not a single person among the entire staff who is at least a little familiar with the gunshot weapons and the principles of his work.


But this is only an interesting observation, the topic of this article will be a truly silent revolver with a built-in silent shooting device - PSDR 3.

A little bit historical justice

Most Russian-language articles on this weapon begin with the fact that the authors are indignant, citing the words of the designer of this revolver that he allegedly invented the world's first silent revolver. Immediately remember the domestic "Brahmit" for Nagan and OTs-38. And it seems that anger is directed in the right direction, only the designer did not speak about the first silent revolver, but about the first revolver with integrated CBE, yes, it was the case, he said. Apparently either a mistake in translation has crept in, or the desire to get to the bottom of an already not very successful weapon turned out to be very strong, many people like to kick a recumbent.

German silent revolver PDSR 3


But let's not be like the majority and try to look at this revolver from a different angle, less categorical.

For whom and what was the PSDR 3 silent revolver designed for?

To be completely honest, at the first glance at this weapon it was difficult to remove a smile from the face - too primitive decisions in it were used by the standards of 1993 of the year. But any weapon is not created just like that, the designer always has an idea by whom and for what the result of his work will be used.

The PSDR 3 revolver is no exception. Designer Joe Peters designed his own weapons for the German special forces Spezialeinsatzkommando. Weapons required cheap, effective, and most importantly, in a short time and in small quantities, hence the simple solutions in weapons that, despite all the skeptics' shots, cope with the tasks assigned to them.

In other words, the designer was faced with the task of making a silent revolver based on existing weapons so that it would be cheap, reliable and unpretentious in maintenance. It was possible, of course, to connect a dozen third-party designers from other arms companies, to design for half a year, to try to implement it in metal for a couple of years, to change designs, ammunition, and so on. And you could make a primitive addition to the Smith & Wesson 625 revolver on your own in a couple of weeks, produce several dozen required weapons and return to other projects.



So if you look at the PSDR 3 silent revolver as a small-scale, cheap and highly specialized weapon, then everything becomes not so primitive, but simply justified, which means as much as the most complex systems developed by him, and sometimes and more.

PSDR 3 Silent Revolver Appearance

The appearance of the weapon is really remarkable. With an attached folding shoulder rest, the PSDR 3 revolver is more like a single-shot hand grenade launcher than a revolver, but a characteristic grip, trigger with safety strap, trigger and part of the frame betrayed the weapon.

Almost completely hidden by the device of silent shooting, the revolver does not have its own open aiming devices, instead of them there is a mounting bar on top of which you can install a collimator sight. Under the non-removable silent shooting device itself there is another short bar for installing the LCC or flashlight.



The folding shoulder rest (the tongue does not turn to call this element a butt) is a curved tube attached to the handle of a revolver. In theory, using the stop, and the instrument body can be fired quite accurately and comfortably, clearly more accurately than without a shoulder rest, even when using both hands. So the part is necessary, especially in the folded position does not make the weapon less convenient.

PSDR 3 silent revolver design

As mentioned above, the basis for the silent revolver PSDR 3 was the revolver of Smith & Wesson, namely model 625. In the process of working on the weapon, the American revolver was slightly modified, reducing the gap between the barrel and the drum chambers, as well as changing the frame to securely fix the device on it silent shooting.



The trigger mechanism of the weapon remained unchanged, this is a dual-action trigger with an open trigger. Ammunition also remained the same, common and perfectly suited for weapons with silent firing devices .45АСР. Since the cartridges do not have a welt, for fixing them in the chambers of the drum, lamellar clips, otherwise known as tool clips, are used. With their help, the process of reloading the weapon is also accelerated, since the spent cartridges are removed all together, as well as new cartridges are inserted immediately with a “bundle” in the number of 6 pieces.

It is not a secret that the main reason why you cannot use silent firing devices in revolvers is the gap between the drum chamber and the barrel of the weapon. It is through this gap that a portion of the powder gases breaks through, making the CBE on the muzzle of the barrel an absolutely useless detail. Exceptions are those models of weapons in which the drum “is rolled” on the barrel before the shot, thereby minimizing the amount of powder gases erupting between the drum and the barrel. So, this method was used in the M1895 Brothers Nagan pistol, in addition, the sleeve itself additionally closes the joint between the drum chamber and the barrel of the weapon, this solution allows the BPS to be used in a variety of designs.



It goes without saying that in a Smith & Wesson revolver, the drum moves only around its axis, and does not make any other movements, which means that there is a gap between the barrel of the weapon and the chamber of the drum. This gap can be reduced, but it is impossible to get rid of it without changing the design of the revolver itself. The only reasonable and cheapest option for solving this problem is to separate the locking of the powder gases that break through between the chamber of the drum and the barrel. It is this solution that is applied in the silent revolver PSDR 3.

Two folding parts are fixed on the back of the case of the silent shooting of the revolver, which, tightly attached to the frame of the weapon, form a casing that locks the powder gases that have passed through the gap between the barrel and the drum chamber. An interesting detail in the design of this revolver can be noted that the drum was redesigned in order to minimize the amount of powder gases that do not perform useful work. This was done not to achieve greater energy of the bullet when fired, but to ensure that the powder gases trapped in the locking casing did not affect the cartridges, which are located in other chambers of the drum, since the drum itself was located completely in the same a powder casing locking casing. When fired, the overpressure in the locking casing could displace a bullet in still unused cartridges, since the pressure inside the cartridge case was clearly lower than the pressure inside the casing.



It is also noteworthy that when the halves of the casing blocking the powder gases are opened, the drum of the revolver opens to the left, as in the case of the American progenitor.

A lot of criticism has been said about the design of the device silent shooting. It represents a large chamber with a volume in which a weapon barrel is placed. No division of powder gases, and even more redirection of their flows for their inhibition is not implemented. The bullet, leaving the barrel, is first in the device itself silent shooting, and then passes through the soft tab with slots. The tab is first opened along the slits by a bullet, and after the bullet completely leaves it, it collapses, locking the powder gases inside the device for silent shooting.



The design is really primitive, similar to the first PBS, which were at the beginning of the twentieth century; nevertheless, it performs its function and quite successfully copes with the cutting off of powder gases when fired and their subsequent release. The main disadvantage of this design of the silent shooting device is the fragility of the soft tab, which with long-term use loses its elasticity and is corny erased by the bullet, which makes each shot more “loud”.

How acceptable is such a design of a CBE in a weapon, from which it is very rarely fired and not in bursts, everyone can decide for himself. But replacing the powder-sealing gases tab clearly looks more attractive than cleaning a multi-chamber device for silent firing, which, by the way, are also short-lived.

PSDR 3 silent revolver features

What you can really find fault with in this weapon is its size. The thickest part of the weapon is a noiseless firing device, that is, it is possible to measure the maximum thickness of the revolver, and this is whole 68 millimeters, which stretch along almost the entire length and end only at the pistol grip. The length of the silent shooting device itself is 240 millimeters, plus the length of the locking cover is also added to them. The total length of the weapon from the handle to the front of the BBS - 440 millimeters. But it should be noted that with such a length of the weapon itself and the length of the barrel corresponding - 200 millimeters. By the way, the barrel has a polygonal cut.

There are no data on the weight of the weapon, but if we take into account that the weight of the American progenitor is more than one kilogram, then with a full set of CBEs, a folding shoulder rest and sights, we can talk about a mass approaching close to two kilos, which is quite a lot.

Pros and cons of the silent PSDR 3 revolver

The main advantage of this revolver, in my opinion, is that the weapon was completed in a short time using the simplest, even the most modern solutions, which in turn had a positive impact not only on the development time of the weapon, but also on its final cost, which for small-scale production is particularly important. The use of a suitable cartridge, which has been proving its effectiveness for more than a hundred years, is also clearly not a minus, especially since this ammunition has a massive distribution and low cost. The overall reliability of the design on the basis of a revolver and at the same time the complete sealing of almost all moving parts makes the weapon suitable for use in the most adverse conditions, although this point should be considered simply as a “bonus”, since this actual revolver is used in sterile conditions of the city.



The cons of the weapons are also present. First of all, it is the size and weight. On the other hand, if we consider this weapon not in the short-barreled class, but, say, as a silent carbine for a pistol cartridge, then these claims can be removed. What really can not be justified is the lack of open sights. Two small metal parts, even without the possibility of adjustment, are not so expensive, but they can significantly help in case of failure of the same collimator sight, especially since both the place and the possibility for their installation is there. Often, a separate minus of this weapon is a long reload. In practice, the reloading of the PSDR 3 silent revolver is no different from reloading any other revolver with a similar construction of the weapon drum locking assembly. The only difference is that before pressing the locking drum to the slider, you need to open the halves of the casing locking powder gases, using a sufficiently large pressure lever under the mounting bar for the sighting devices.

Conclusion

PSDR 3 silent revolver - this is a vivid example of how not to judge the book on the cover. Even more - sometimes you should not judge by the content, as it is foolish to look for an exciting detective story in the technical reference book. The PSDR 3 silent revolver is a highly specialized, small-scale weapon with very specific requirements. The fact that the designer did not invent the next "space marines gun", but implemented all the simplest, albeit primitive solutions, speaks only of the designer’s experience and common sense. It can be difficult for absolutely any person with sufficient motivation, but to do everything quickly and simply, it already needs talent.
Author:
Photos used:
zbroya.info
53 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. tracer
    tracer 27 February 2018 05: 38
    +7
    Mark, thanks. You, as always, revealed the essence. Very "gut" ... I can however supplement you a little. A revolver allows you to make a very accurate shot. There is almost no tossing of the barrel, even taking into account such a cartridge as .45 ACP. Which, by the way, was developed as a large-caliber pistol cartridge with subsonic speed, for the U.S. police and army units, the cartridge proved to be successful for its time (now manufacturers are beginning to gradually switch to high-speed pistol cartridges with supersonic and venerable rifle bullet speeds). In my deep conviction, the cartridge 7.62 x25 would be nice to “bring to mind .. So the TT 33 is not the past, but rather“ back to the future. ”The gun under consideration is really very specific. And it’s not for nothing that it has a collimator type sight. the case when you need to get to the place once. A heavy bullet of 45 caliber with even more “stifled speed" is a real "hit with a sledgehammer." Smith and Wesson make excellent revolvers. It is owned by the oldest manufacturer of the most high-quality and accurate revolvers. You are absolutely correct in assuming , what in the existing “those assignment” it was better not to come up with it.
    1. AlexMark
      27 February 2018 07: 49
      +5
      It is the cartridge and the lack of automation, while maintaining the ability to make several shots in a row, make this revolver a very effective weapon. For the army, really 7,62X25 could be improved to excellent results on armor penetration, and not to look for options that would break through the armor plate and stop it so that the enemy gets on the ass. Miracles do not happen, or armor penetration, or stopping. And the potential of 7,62х25 is still not exhausted.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 28 February 2018 12: 02
        0
        Quote: tracer
        Smith & Wasson makes great revolvers

        I wonder why Colt Python was not chosen, in which the drum is pressed against the barrel before firing, minimizing gas loss? it would not be necessary to block the casing around the drum itself.
  2. Tarasios
    Tarasios 27 February 2018 06: 10
    0
    But what about ensuring direct noiselessness? I did not find in the article ...
    1. tracer
      tracer 27 February 2018 06: 42
      +1
      It’s really simple .. Put your finger vertically to your lips, and say shhh .... As an option ..
      Maybe I don’t know something, but I’ve never heard of the characteristic of “immediate noiselessness” ..
      1. AlexMark
        27 February 2018 07: 43
        +3
        good afternoon hi I think that the loudest sound when fired is the sound of the trigger, and then tsss ... Or, below, they propose to slap the enemy on the head, then even lower if the body has time to catch it)))
      2. gross kaput
        gross kaput 27 February 2018 21: 30
        -1
        but what about judging PBSs not from movies and games? for example, at night, in an open area, the sound of a VSS shot is clearly distinguishable at 100-150 meters, AKM with PBS is well audible for 150-200.
        Pistols are even worse (due to the small volume of PBS), for example, the PB (6P9) in terms of the volume of the shot is comparable to small things and at night in the city because of reflections from the walls you can hear half a quarter. The only way to get a more or less decent sound reduction coefficient on pistols is to use low-power cartridges with low gas production .22 or 5,45X18 and rubber shutters, or use cartridges with cut-offs like PZA / PZAM, SP2-SP4, but they have an unpleasant moment - occasionally, a gas breakthrough may occur with an increase in the sound of a shot (the permissible percentage for SP 3 for SP 5 is not more than XNUMX%)
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 27 February 2018 07: 22
      +2
      Quote: Tarasios
      But what about ensuring direct noiselessness? I did not find in the article ...

      just, without too much noise, hit this victim with a valera on the head until he scammed.
  3. spech
    spech 27 February 2018 06: 52
    +1
    Sorry, but it seems like some fiction of schoolchildren who simply do not have access to normal systems.
    1. AlexMark
      27 February 2018 07: 44
      +5
      And what alternatives do you see with the same efficiency and price?
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 08: 42
        +2
        Mark hi Thank you for the article . As for this revolver: in a short time and at not the highest cost - it is quite normal. For example, compared with the English carabiner "DeLissle".
        1. AlexMark
          27 February 2018 09: 03
          +3
          good afternoon hi I don’t understand why people don’t like this revolver, effective ammunition, automatics do not add superfluous sounds, and there is no manual reloading ... it’s hard and healthy infection only smile
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 09: 17
            +1
            Quote: AlexMark
            I don’t understand why people don’t like this revolver, effective ammunition, automatics do not add superfluous sounds, and there is no manual reloading ... it’s hard and healthy infection only

            Maybe it's all in the country of development? wink
            1. Karadoc
              Karadoc 27 February 2018 14: 40
              0
              Maybe because no one needs such a monster nafig?
              1. AlexMark
                27 February 2018 16: 55
                +4
                Well, if it were not needed, it would not have done, agree smile
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 27 February 2018 17: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: AlexMark
                  Well, if you weren’t needed, they wouldn’t have done it

                  This is not an initiative development.
                2. Karadoc
                  Karadoc 27 February 2018 20: 47
                  0
                  But this does not mean that this monster was in demand. How many prototypes never find their consumer!
  4. Karadoc
    Karadoc 27 February 2018 09: 16
    +2
    I don’t find fault, but I just can’t remember in any way "not the lowest budget films, where the protagonist, under cover of night in complete silence, exterminates his enemies one by one using a revolver with a silent shooting device attached to it." Can I have a couple of movie titles?
    1. AlexMark
      27 February 2018 09: 44
      +2
      Offhand, Sherlock Holmes Guy Ritchie. Excellent budget for the movie. First, this design appears as a prototype, developed by Holmes from idleness, naturally not working. Subsequently, the PBS revolver flashes already in the second part on the belt of one of the extras.
      In the evening I will give examples of shots from films, you'll be surprised how many blunders there are in the film industry in terms of weapons smile
      1. Karadoc
        Karadoc 27 February 2018 14: 36
        +1
        "Offhand, Sherlock Holmes Guy Ritchie." Not to offer scientific and other science fiction.
        1. AlexMark
          27 February 2018 16: 52
          +3
          Documentaries, of course, I will not give examples)))
          1. Karadoc
            Karadoc 27 February 2018 20: 36
            0
            Well, at least something from the category of Star Wars.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 28 February 2018 12: 08
              0
              Quote: Karadoc
              Well, at least something from the category of Star Wars.

              "Tall blond in a yellow boot"
              1. Karadoc
                Karadoc 28 February 2018 21: 15
                0
                "Tall blond in a black boot"? If we are talking about this film, then talk about the authenticity of something in the comedy, which was released forty-five years ago, positioned as a parody of films about spies ... A good example.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 28 February 2018 23: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Karadoc
                  "Tall blond in a black boot"?

                  There was a request
                  Quote: Karadoc
                  not from the category of "Star Wars"
                  . Am I really wrong? Or do you need a documentary captured by a hidden camera?
                  1. Karadoc
                    Karadoc 1 March 2018 00: 09
                    0
                    I seem to have formulated my question quite clearly: at least one of the “not very low-budget films, where the protagonist, under cover of night in complete silence, exterminates his enemies one by one using a revolver with a silent shooting device attached to it."
  5. otto meer
    otto meer 27 February 2018 10: 17
    +1
    to be cheap, reliable and unpretentious in maintenance.
    Well, they would take a ready-made solutionplus the ability to shoot bursts. If you wanted exactly 45, again everything has already been inventedcheaper only from a sling.
    1. brn521
      brn521 27 February 2018 12: 41
      +3
      Quote: otto meer
      If you wanted exactly 45, again everything has already been invented

      With a revolver, only the trigger snaps and the drum rotates. And here, a whole shutter goes back and forth with a rattle and clang, while scattering ringing cartridges around the area. The Germans most likely wanted something really quiet.
      1. otto meer
        otto meer 27 February 2018 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: brn521
        With a revolver, only the trigger snaps and the drum rotates.
        Then they would take SMEs - in general beauty, even a drummer from 2 meters is no longer audible. If so
        Quote: brn521
        The Germans most likely wanted something really quiet.
        About the shutter
        Quote: brn521
        with a rattle and clang
        something broke there "inside her." The sound of the shutter group of a working MP5SD is not much louder than a "zilch" of gases, and maybe quieter.
        1. brn521
          brn521 27 February 2018 16: 36
          +3
          Quote: otto meer
          Then they would take SMEs

          The cartridge is weak, expensive and foreign. The task indicated in the article does not correspond in any way.
          Quote: otto meer
          Sound of the shutter group of serviceable MP5SD

          I'm talking about engram. MP5SD is off topic - expensive and requires special cartridges 9x19 for normal operation.
          1. Karadoc
            Karadoc 27 February 2018 20: 40
            +1
            Special patrons? And everywhere they write that it was created for firing standard 9x19 ... Why would it?
            1. brn521
              brn521 28 February 2018 09: 36
              0
              Quote: Karadoc
              Special patrons? And everywhere they write that it was created for firing standard 9x19 ... Why would it?

              Can shoot standard 9x19. In this case, the muzzle energy rolls down to the level of 9x17, which even did not lie near .45.
              1. Karadoc
                Karadoc 28 February 2018 11: 23
                +1
                Do you think it is cheaper to rivet an incomprehensible samovar for a six-shot revolver than to use an existing weapon with more expensive cartridges?
                1. otto meer
                  otto meer 28 February 2018 11: 48
                  0
                  Thank you Karadoc for your support. In principle, you said everything for me. The only thing I can add.
                  Quote: brn521
                  Can shoot standard 9x19.
                  not only can, but all training firing is carried out by this cartridge, to reduce the cost of the training process. Special cartridge only for "combat" consumption in 1-2 stores of expensive cartridges for half a year or a year, I think the Germans can really afford.
                  Quote: brn521
                  I'm talking about engram.
                  the MAC-10 had no problems with this.
                  Quote: brn521
                  muzzle energy is slipping to the level of 9x17, which since .45 did not even lie nearby.
                  it’s good if the muzzle energy is needed right up to the mark and without a doubt a revolver -
                  1. gross kaput
                    gross kaput 28 February 2018 13: 44
                    -1
                    Honestly, have you come up with this right now?
                    Quote: otto meer
                    Special cartridge only for "combat" consumption in 1-2 stores of expensive cartridges for half a year or a year, I think the Germans can really afford.

                    What kind of nonsense? MP5SD was created specifically for firing with a standard 9X19 NATO cartridge, they are not fundamentally fired from by the subaxonics, because the peculiarity of this PP is that the exhaust gas holes are made in the PBS along the bottom of the rifling, thanks to which the speed of the standard cartridge is reduced to subsonic, when shooting with the subaxonics, the speed drops to indecentness and the mass of the bullet is not much higher than the standard one - a maximum of 9,7 g versus 8 g. therefore, energy and ballistics are worse. The Sabsonics are used in conventional PCs with attached silencers - there they really work.
                    At the price of cartridges, it was generally amusing - the difference is a penny, for example, in the Russian Federation S&B FMJ costs 37 rubles and S&B FMJ subsonic 43 rubles.
                    Quote: brn521
                    . In this case, the muzzle energy rolls down to the level of 9x17

                    Come on?! is that serious? but nothing so that for 9X17 the standard is 250 joules, and for a 9X19 bullet weighing 8 grams that has left the MP5SD trunk, it’s quite normal 350-370 joules at the dial-up?
                    1. brn521
                      brn521 28 February 2018 17: 00
                      0
                      Quote: gross kaput
                      when shooting with sabsonics, the speed drops to indecent

                      Therefore, in order to compete with the usual .45 ACP, we need sabsonics for short trunks, with quick-burning gunpowder with the same weight. I've only seen such catalogs in my life two times, and even then for other calibers.
                      Quote: gross kaput
                      but nothing so that for 9X17 the standard is 250 joules, and for a 9X19 bullet weighing 8 grams that has left the MP5SD trunk, it’s quite normal 350-370 joules at the dial-up?

                      You can squeeze out one and a half times from .45 even taking into account the breakthrough of gases in the drum.
                      Quote: gross kaput
                      At the price of cartridges, it was generally amusing - the difference is a penny, for example, in the Russian Federation S&B FMJ costs 37 rubles and S&B FMJ subsonic 43 rubles.

                      Perhaps .45 + P is almost a standard of high cost among mass cartridges, as users of large-caliber Glocks regularly cry on forums. There is a claim to MP5SD. Why is he needed at all? It is clearly more expensive than MP5, which was abandoned precisely because of the price tag. The silencer is not so effective. Nevertheless, membrane silencers have a serious advantage in this regard until the membrane is worn out. MP5SD justifies the need to have a "muffled" weapon for continuous use. With which constant running around and regular shooting down to whipping "squirrel in the eye." Now imagine a regular policeman in a private station. He needs cheaper and simpler things that he won’t have to master, burning thousands of cartridges. For one-time tasks. But with the ability to drop someone’s carcass from the first shot, without even hitting slaughter areas, of which only 15% are in silhouette.
                      But why a revolver? Apparently, the assembly turned out to be really quiet, so it made sense to get rid of the shutter clang. The cork wears out quickly - so no one is going to arrange a whole war with it, it's just a special tool for rare situations. Here, for sure, you can even add water to the muffler in advance, which theoretically will take it to sky-high heights by the degree of jamming. The accuracy is low - and the weapon will be used at a distance of confident defeat. In other cases, specially-called specialists will rake the situation. Well, with the silencer removed, this is an ordinary service weapon, devouring anything.
                      1. Karadoc
                        Karadoc 28 February 2018 21: 19
                        0
                        "... And now imagine a regular policeman in a private sector. He needs cheaper and simpler that he will not have to learn, burning thousands of cartridges."
                        Well, yes, in order to master MP5, you need to burn more than one thousand cartridges ... Therefore, for especially rare cases, it is easier to construct a mixture of a samovar with a vacuum cleaner and take it into service.
                    2. Karadoc
                      Karadoc 28 February 2018 21: 24
                      0
                      "... What kind of nonsense? MP5SD was created specifically for firing with a standard 9X19NATO cartridge, they are not fundamentally fired from by the sabsonists ..."
                      It seems to me that when it came to special cartridges, they did not mean “sabsonics”, but cartridges with bullets of increased penetration.
                      1. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 1 March 2018 19: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Karadoc
                        and bullets with increased penetration bullets.

                        Quote: brn521
                        MP5SD is off topic - expensive and requires special cartridges 9x19 for normal operation.

                        It is strange what kind of MP5SD you have requires high penetration cartridges for normal operation?
                        Quote: brn521
                        Therefore, in order to compete with the usual .45 ACP, we need sabsonics for short trunks, with quick-burning gunpowder with the same weight. I've only seen such catalogs in my life two times, and even then for other calibers.

                        Once again and by letter - a subsonic 9X19 by the Czech company S&B with a 10 g bullet is quietly bought in many arms stores in the Russian Federation, dozens of companies rivet 9X19 in the world and almost every manufacturer has 1-2 or even three subsonics in the line.
                  2. tracer
                    tracer 2 March 2018 07: 07
                    +1
                    This toss weapons of attack and not defense. With him, you can shoot at point blank range. And get into the wall from five meters. The reduction of the noiselessness in the article can quite quietly and accurately complete the task.
                    1. AlexMark
                      4 March 2018 06: 51
                      +1
                      Well, people do not believe in the stability of a heavy shell bullet smile
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 27 February 2018 11: 14
    +3
    The article is interesting. Only it’s a little unclear how Nagan was able to split. That's how much I live in the world, I knew only about one thing: Leon Nagan. And then it's still not entirely correct to call a revolver a gun. If this is a typo, then in this case, sorry for the comment. But in fact, the article is really interesting. Thanks Mark. hi
    1. AlexMark
      27 February 2018 16: 53
      +1
      What about his brother Emil? His merits cannot be undone. And with a gun, it's me, idiot recourse Scratched.
  7. brn521
    brn521 27 February 2018 12: 31
    +1
    Blunt .45 ACP bullet is not suitable for a muffler of this design. - The accuracy of the shot is greatly reduced. The best carbine for this cartridge was made by the British in WWII https://topwar.ru/69707-besshumnyy-karabin-delizl
    .html
  8. groks
    groks 27 February 2018 15: 02
    0
    A strange desire to save on special weapons. This can be perceived as a curiosity. Then they would have found those "Nagans" in the amount of several dozen.
    1. AlexMark
      27 February 2018 16: 54
      +2
      Ammunition characteristics are not comparable. request
      1. groks
        groks 27 February 2018 18: 42
        +1
        When shooting, the nonsense will be all the same. Otherwise, how to use this miracle? As already noted - with this design of the silencer, accuracy can be forgotten.
        Maybe the mafia turned to the author? Such a poor mafia that he cannot buy a normal weapon.
        1. AlexMark
          4 March 2018 06: 45
          +1
          Mafia, according to the latest Internet bikes, prefers such weapons chambered for .22LR. But why can you forget about accuracy? It will be quite enough at a distance of 25-50 meters, I do not understand why it was suddenly decided that the accuracy would be bad. Stupid .357SIG does not change its trajectory at all when passing homogeneous obstacles, if it struck, it struck and flies farther to where it was sent. And then a heavy shell bullet suddenly took and sharply changed the trajectory of movement due to the soft membrane. You underestimate .45ACP smile
          Well, it is possible to point-blank both with a knife and quieter, and the effect is guaranteed. soldier
  9. Catfish
    Catfish 1 March 2018 00: 43
    +2
    Quote: AlexMark
    What about his brother Emil? His merits cannot be undone. And with a gun, it's me, idiot recourse Scratched.

    God be with him, with a gun. The article is still sensible.
    About brother Emil, enlighten, is he famous for something? Well, by golly, neither rumor nor breath about him. This I, without any jokes, is actually interesting. hi
    1. AlexMark
      4 March 2018 02: 22
      +1
      In the near future there will be an article about the brothers and their weapons, looking ahead, I will say that of the two brothers most of the developments belong to Emil, including the revolver who was the progenitor of M1895. For a number of reasons, the name of Emil from the name of the company disappeared, respectively, they began to forget about him - we will correct this historical injustice. smile
      The children of the designers, by the way, later also made the M1895 version with a drum hinged to the side ... repeat
  10. brn521
    brn521 1 March 2018 11: 10
    +1
    Quote: Karadoc
    Therefore, for especially rare cases, it is easier to construct a mixture of a samovar with a vacuum cleaner and take it into service.

    Well, I do not argue, but the author himself outlined the reason for the development:
    Weapons needed cheap, effective, and most importantly in a short time and in small quantities

    And who needed it? Spezialeinsatzkommando. Which have Glock, MP5 and MP7. But for some reason they needed just such an aggregate.
    1. AlexMark
      4 March 2018 02: 39
      +1
      It means that this revolver had the necessary parameters and there were no other weapons, it seems to be a logical conclusion smile
      Poured oil on the fire. The sound level when fired around 70-80 decibels, depending on the wear of the membrane, specifically tormented the google translate on foreign forums. I feel now will go comparisons with household sounds, but not weapons and PBS other designs laughing
  11. Catfish
    Catfish 4 March 2018 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: AlexMark

    The children of the designers, by the way, later also made the M1895 version with a drum hinged to the side ... repeat


    I saw a model with a folding to the right (if I'm not mistaken) drum. In the photo, of course. But how such a disfavor for the memory of Brother Emil is completely incomprehensible. Moreover, as you say, there is something to remember.
    Brothers fooled and one ate the other out of banal jealousy for fame? Or, as always, some woman is to blame?
    Write in more detail about everything that exists. Good luck smile