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Details of the upcoming baptism of Su-57 in the Middle Eastern sky. No chance of "opening" the enemy

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Looking through Syrian and Middle Eastern and Western information resources in the late evening of February 21, it was hard to believe my eyes when the first news reports of the arrival of a pair of 5 X-based multi-functional super-maneuverable 57 fighters Su arrived at the Syrian.liveuamap.com tactical online news block. -50 (T-35 PAK-FA). The vehicles touched the air base's GDP during aerial escort from one of the Su-24С multi-purpose fighters, which was clearly seen in the video material published by Syrian observer Wael al-Husseini on his Twitter page. As it later became known thanks to the online monitoring of airborne resources with active transponders ADS-B “Flightradar35”, PAK-FA and Su-154, they were in the lead by the passenger plane Tu-2Б-XNUMX.

Completely new multi-role fighters of the next generation, completely new, "not tested" in hostile airspace, are quite unexpectedly deployed to the most unpredictable Syrian theater of military operations, saturated with an impressive number of ground and airborne electronic and radar reconnaissance assets. So, near the airspace controlled by the air defense-missile defense of the Syrian Armed Forces on the borders of the Euphrates and northern provinces, AWACS Boeing 737AEW & C "Peace Eagle" aircraft of the Turkish Air Force and E-3G of the US Air Force, capable of bearing air targets with EPR 3 sq. m at a depth of 280 - 350 km. From the southern air direction, the Syrian sky is partially "pressed" by Israeli CAEW aircraft equipped with active phased antenna arrays of EL / W-2085 radar from the Elta company integrated into the fuselage.

Consequently, the reinforcement of the Syrian air wing of the VKS of Russia by the standard Su-30CM and Su-34 with an effective reflective surface in 12 and 3 square. m, respectively, the enemy’s “sighted” aerial reconnaissance equipment will be almost impossible to surprise or “intimidate”, especially when the AIM-120C-7 and AIM-120D air-to-air missiles are used to attack the coalition’s fighters, which pose a threat to our machines at a distance 130 - 160 km. Another thing - Su-57, which are machines of a completely different sort. And do not rush to judge the combat potential of our air wing only by the number of Su-57 transferred to Hmeimim. The parameters of the on-board radio-electronic equipment of the two PAK-FAs who arrived in Syria, as well as their small radar signature, which will become a significant obstacle for detection of enemy AN / APG-80 fighters on Israeli F-16I and with with the help of MESA and AN / APY-2 radar systems installed on the Turkish and US-based AWACS.

Based on the table data source "Paralay", where the calculated effective surface scattering Su-57 is from 0.2 to 0.4 square. m, we can conclude that the above Turkish and American XRDNM means our advanced fighters will be detected at a distance of 100 - 150 km, and therefore it will be extremely difficult to monitor the vehicles, especially when, in addition to Su-57, the A2 / AD airspace will be patrolled and Su-30M / Su-35С, carrying containers of individual (L-265М10) and Khibiny group protection on hangers. We conclude that the Su-57, performing air operations over the central territories of Syria, will be almost impossible to detect by enemy airborne radar equipment, while the pilots will be able to test some of the avionics in a tactical situation close to combat, taking into account the complex network-centric theater of operations . Why not all, but some?

The fact is that in addition to taking into account the use of enemy ground-based and airborne early-warning radar operating mainly in the L (D) - and S-bands, it is necessary to remember the presence of passive radar systems. These include: AN / ALR-67 (V) 3 on-board radiation warning stations (aboard Super Hornets), the world's most advanced STR AN / ALR-94 (as part of the Rapid F-22A airborne defense complex ", Consisting of more than 30 highly sensitive passive radar sensors), as well as antenna posts with a passive station RTR" KORAL-ED ", which are part of the Turkish five-element self-propelled radio-electronic warfare complex" KORAL ". The above-mentioned multi-frequency electronic intelligence tools work in the frequency range from 500 to 40000 MHz and are capable of direction finding even weak sources of electromagnetic radiation, and then save their frequency profile to the register of radio-emitting objects. This, in turn, imposes significant restrictions on the tests of the onboard H036 “Belka” radar complex in active mode (to avoid familiarizing the enemy with the modes of operation of the PAK-FA radar in combat conditions).


The KORAL-ED radio intelligence module of the Turkish EW KORAL complex


Obviously, the 4 AFAR-stations of the Belka airborne RLC will be tested in the passive mode of reconnaissance of enemy radio-emitting targets, for example, working on the transfer of tactical information exchange terminals via radio link-4A and Link-11 / TADIL-A installed on DRLOU aircraft
Peace Eagle, Link-16 terminals (onboard the F-16C Block 50 +), as well as radiating devices located on ground and air units. Such a method of using the Belka airborne radar complex in Syria’s airspace will help to adapt the Su-57 fighter’s weapons control system not only to carry out operations to gain air supremacy and strike ground targets, but also to conduct strategic air reconnaissance without opening its own location . This technique of using the X-NUMX-generation F-5A Raptor fighter for several years has been used by the flight crews of the US Air Force over both Iraq and the Syrian Arab Republic, which was deactivated by the dean of the Mitchell Aerospace Research Institute in March, General Lt. US Air Force retired David Deputla.

It is worth paying attention to the fact that the multi-functional fighter jets of the 5 generation PAK-FA, as well as the Raptors with their AN / ALR-94 passive reconnaissance complexes, will have very serious advantages in the exploration of surface radio-emitting objects in the passive mode due to the presence of The composition of the “Squirrel” of two AFAR-stations of side view НХNUMXБ-036-1Л and Н1Б-036-Б. This design allows the Su-1 for a long period of time to run parallel to the line of contact with the enemy, removing the need to turn the field of view over the scanned area by performing maneuvers (the same technique is used by all aircraft / ground reconnaissance UAV with side radars from Tu-57Р and E-214C to RQ-8B "Global Hawk"). Working in active mode (radiation) H4Б-036-1Л / B gives the pilot Su-1 an opportunity to “look” at 57 - 45 ° into the rear hemisphere, which for F-60A is an unaffordable luxury due to the absence of a drive for mechanical turning of the airborne radar AN / APG-22. But we recall that the active mode of the radars included in the "Belka" will not be used until the regional and global conflict (Raptors also do not use it).

A number of restrictions will be imposed on the active modes of operation of the on-board communication complex (including voice and the exchange of telecode information) C-111-H, synchronized with the antenna-feeder system AIST-50. Despite the fact that this complex has much in common with the onboard C-108 information exchange complex of the Su-35C fighter (including the use of pseudo-random tuning of the operating frequency with a frequency of about 156 jumps per second), using it for transmission in the current tactical situation in the Syrian theater military operations are fraught with the opening of the location of the “broadcasting” Su-57 with further deciphering and analysis of the pilot’s negotiations with the Allied Command Post. For these purposes, the United States Air Force has an RTR / RER aircraft such as the Rivet Joint RC-135V / W, carrying the 85000 / ES-182 MUCELS radio electronic intelligence station operating on the frequency range from 0,04 to 17,25 GHz. Depending on the radio horizon, meteorological conditions and interference conditions, the MUCELS blade and whip antennas are capable of intercepting signals from the enemy’s communications equipment from 500 to 900 - 1000 km, after which about ten professional linguist cryptologists on board “puzzled them” Rivet Joint.

Proceeding from this, it is not difficult to understand that testing C-111-H over Syria is possible only under the following conditions: flying at low altitude (out of the field of view of the KPRAL-ED stations of the DER and other ground-based radio reconnaissance of the enemy outside the horizon), with 100% confidence in the absence of “Rivet Joints” in the next 600-km, as well as at low and medium power of the terminal transmitter, while the maximum is about 200 watts. At this point, one of the reasons why the second aircraft of the A-50U radar patrol and A-57U arrived at Hmeimim Air Force is also becoming clear. Before the Su-22 test flights over Syria, one of the “Mainstays” will be used to detect any potentially dangerous airborne reconnaissance equipment of the NATO and Israel Allied Forces approaching Syrian airspace from four operational directions. The only vehicles that can penetrate deep enough into Syria’s airspace and go unnoticed for a long time are the F-95A “Raptor”, which are deployed at Al-Dafra airbase (Saudi Arabia) as part of the US Air Force 35 Expeditionary Squadron, F-XNUMXI "Adir" Hel Haavir, stationed at the Nevatim air base (Israel).

The first possess an effective reflective surface in 0,05 - 0,07 sq. m and can be detected by the modernized radar complex of the A-50U aircraft at a distance of no more than 100 - 120 km, F-35I with EPR in 0,2 square. m - 160 km. Consequently, these machines retain the possibility of detecting Su-57 on duty in Syrian airspace by means of integrated opto-electronic systems for detecting warm-contrast targets (rocket flares, and turbojet engines in afterburner) AN / AAR-56 MLD (Missile Launch Detection), and AN / AAQ-37 DAS. These complexes are represented by a high resolution aperture distributed by a glider from 4 and 6 infrared sensors of high resolution, capable of detecting heat-emitting targets at a distance of several tens to several hundred kilometers, and are capable of detecting “torches” in the infrared range from round nozzles for a considerable distance sections of turbojet dual-circuit engines AL-41Ф1.

But even if the Raptor is able to get close to the Su-57 at the distance of direction finding with infrared sensors with further covert follow-up, it will not be able to transfer information about the detected object to the airborne gearbox (the same AWACS). 16 "works exclusively on receiving tactical information, which is implemented for greater secrecy of the machine. Recall that for the exchange of information about the tactical situation on the "Raptors", a highly secure individual radio channel IFDL (Intra-Flight Data Link) is used, which is not intended to be interfaced with other tactical radio channels of the Link-16 and TTNT types.

At the end of 2017 of the year, F-22A “Raptor” reported these shortcomings with the Aviation Week newsletter referring to the anonymous commander of the US Air Force, who complained that when Su-30CM and Su-35С were detected by the Russian Aerospace Forces over the Euphrates for KP notifications have to use not a data transmission channel, but a classic digital radio station with scramble mode and frequency hopping. Moreover, he expressed dissatisfaction due to the fact that it was almost impossible to detect Russian cars at night, since there are no highly specialized advanced optical-electronic means on board for detecting and capturing a computer center with a small infrared signature. Recall that AN / AAR-56 is effective only in detecting strongly contrasting thermal targets, which include solid propellant rocket motors, as well as jet engines in the afterburner. Detecting jet engines of tactical fighters on the maximum mode AAR-56 is capable only within the limits of visual visibility. The AN / APG-77 radars for American pilots must be strictly prohibited to prevent them from being “opened” by our electronic reconnaissance equipment.

Russian Su-57, on the other hand, are equipped with an OLS-50M optical-electronic complex that is more adapted for detecting and tracking fighter and bomber targets for radiation from a jet stream, not only in the afterburner mode, but also at the maximum. The complex is an analogue of the OLS-35 installed on the Su-35 and has similar technical characteristics. In particular, the F-35A target type detection range in the afterburner mode may exceed 100 km to the rear hemisphere (CPS) and 45 km - to the front hemisphere (PPS), when the infrared signature of the jet stream is partially blocked by the airframe projection. In addition to the direction finding of air warm-contrast targets, OLS-50М is capable of detecting, tracking and capturing surface targets in the middle range of infrared waves (3 - 5 μm). This OLPK is located in front of the cockpit lantern and has a modular design consisting of: an optical-mechanical unit (BOM-35), an information conversion unit (BOI-35), and a power supply unit / control unit for a laser rangefinder-aiming indicator (BPUL-35); the latter is capable of measuring the range to targets, as well as highlighting them for tactical missiles with a semi-active laser seeker at a distance of up to 30 km. Convection air cooling of working elements causes a high operational resource of the OLS-50М, and the modularity of the design provides an improved maintainability in wartime.


Diagram of the radar and optoelectronic architectures of the inconspicuous multi-purpose fighter Su-57


There is a Su-57 optical-electronic “stuffing” and a station for detecting attacking missiles and countering 4X Atoll, designed by specialists of Ural Optical and Mechanical Plant Production Company from Yekaterinburg, familiar to the 5 ++ and 101 fighter generations of the 56 ++ and XNUMX generations. The product is a conceptual analogue of the raptor SOAP AN / AAR-XNUMX and the lightning system DAS and is represented by a distributed aperture of:

- 2-x single and 2-x paired opto-electronic modules 101X-U / 01 and 101X-U / 02, working in the ultraviolet range; products are capable of detecting sources of thermal radiation from both rocket engines and jet engines aviation the enemy, after which the coordinates can be transferred to the weapon control system of the Su-57; the first pair of modules 101KS-U / 02 is installed on the lower surface of the nose of the fuselage and works along the lower hemisphere, the second pair of modules is on the upper surface of the tail coca and processes the upper hemisphere; single modules 101KS-U / 01 scan the side hemispheres and are placed on the sides of the garrot; total number of UV sensors - 6 units;
- 2-x modules 101KS-O, suppressing the work of infrared homing heads of attacking missiles (AIM-9L / X Block II, "IRIS-T" or "MICA-IR") and located under the pilot's cabin, as well as on the upper surface of the gargrot; unfortunately, the complex is not available on all experienced machines;
- one module 101X-P, operating in the infrared / TV range and designed for more confident low-altitude piloting of the machine in the enemy's air defense overcoming mode (without using airborne radar).

An additional element of the Su-57 on-board optoelectronic equipment is the 101KS-H suspended container sighting and navigation system, designed to work on objects in the lower hemisphere, mainly ground and surface. The product operates in television and infrared sighting channels and is able to detect and identify tank-type targets at a distance of more than 35 km due to the use of an optical zoom in a complex with high resolution. Integrated and laser rangefinder-pointer, capable of issuing target designation of air-to-ground missiles X-38MLE, as well as X-29L and X-25ML, launched from suspensions of other carriers. The exact parameters of this complex have not been disclosed to date, but we can definitely say that they roughly correspond to such container complexes as the modernized American “Lantirn-ER” or the Turkish “AselPOD”.

Using all the above passive sensors of navigation, reconnaissance and target designation in the hidden mode, Su-57 will be able to get a lot of tactical information valuable for the command of the Russian group in the CAP without the need to transfer such a large machine as the Tu-214Р. More importantly, the transfer of the latter through neutral airspace over the Caspian Sea is instantly fixed by modern radar equipment of Azerbaijan’s air defense, the main of which can be considered the Ukrainian radar detectors of the UHF 80K6 “Pelican” and Israeli EL / M-2080 “Green Pine” radars, information what is instantly on the table at Hulusi Akar and Erdogan. The latter immediately notify the control cells of Tahrir ash-Sham and FSA about the imminent commencement of comprehensive air control, for example, of the same Idlib gadyushnik. Naturally, rebels and other militants from the "green enclave" instantly turn off all sorts of preparatory measures for a particular military operation against the Syrian government forces.

As a result, the commands of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Armed Forces lose a lot of valuable information, which could later be used to plan an effective spectrum of countermeasures. It will be extremely difficult for the enemy to calculate the exact moment of reconnaissance by the forces of the Su-57 pair, especially at night, while vehicles may appear both near Idlib captured by militants and near the Euphrates bed in order to get hotheads from the Central Command of the Armed Forces The United States thought well before covering the Syrian army, Syrian militia and other friendly forces from barreled artillery of the "Ganships" and HIMARS.

After all, with the help of the OLS-50M, promising Su-57 fighters can not only watch the enemy without opening their location, but also quietly launch air combat missiles from the RVV-SD from inside the armament compartments. One thing can be said for sure - not at all accidentally, two days after the arrival of the first Su-57 pair, Syrian sources reported the appearance of more similar machines over Hmeimim. In addition to the need to test the above-described PAK-FA BREO modules in close combat conditions (for accelerated launch into a series of fully adapted vehicles), as well as to contain US Air Force activity on Deir e Zor, the deployment of additional 2 fighters in Syrian theater can have a second goal Associated with recent statements by French President Emmanuel Macron and US Permanent Representative to the UN Nikki Haley on the readiness of their regimes to use military force against the strategically important facilities of the Syrian Arab Army. The argument of such plans, as usual, is trivial: “the use of chemical weapons"And the application of" merciless strikes "on Eastern Ghouta, from where rocket attacks from the Free Syrian Army are regularly launched on Damascus.

Information sources:
https://www.sabah.com.tr/gundem/2016/02/23/aselsan-radar-karistirici-korali-tskya-teslim-etti
https://lenta.ru/news/2018/02/24/su57/
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/rc-135w/
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  1. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 26 February 2018 06: 33
    +35
    What Eugene Damantsev is “famous for” is the abundance of “water” in his publications, a lot of abbreviations cited out of place, unconfirmed characteristics and conclusions drawn from scratch. negative
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 26 February 2018 11: 29
      +9
      it's time to get used to
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 26 February 2018 12: 49
        +9
        Quote: sivuch
        it's time to get used to

        Igor, good evening!
        Do you respect your readers? And I respect! But Damantsev is not very ... request
        1. KKND
          KKND 26 February 2018 13: 49
          +3
          Quote: Bongo
          Do you respect your readers? And I respect! But Damantsev is not very ...

          Hello, Sergey. hi
          Do you want to be a successful journalist - "powder" the readers brains as strong as possible!
          Of course, it is advisable to do this "more cunningly" so that the reader does not figure out what's what, but here, in Russia / the USSR it will do.
          Respecting the reader for a good journalist is the same as respecting the scammer of the “sucker” whom he deceived.
          So Sergey can forget about money from journalism, but in my eyes and the eyes of a narrow circle of your readers, your authority will be much higher.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 26 February 2018 16: 52
            +5
            Quote: KKND
            Hello, Sergey.

            Cyril, good evening! hi
            Come on already?
            Quote: KKND
            Do you want to be a successful journalist - "powder" the readers brains as strong as possible!

            These are not journalists, they are scammers and agitators!
            Quote: KKND
            So Sergey can forget about money from journalism, but in my eyes and the eyes of a narrow circle of your readers, your authority will be much higher.

            Thank you for your kind words, but to write lies for the sake of money - do not respect yourself!
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 26 February 2018 22: 20
              +3
              Quote: Bongo
              but to write lies for the sake of money - do not respect yourself!

              Hello, hello!

              I do not quite understand your aggressiveness in this case. Did the author get it in technical moments? Or does the bazaar station around this event just seem unjustified to you?
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 27 February 2018 05: 21
                +4
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Hello, hello!

                Hello!
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                I do not quite understand your aggressiveness in this case. Did the author get it in technical moments? Or does the bazaar station around this event just seem unjustified to you?

                How can I make an article based mostly on my own imagination?
                What he writes about avionics and weaponry of the Su-57 is unconfirmed information constituting a state secret. The author simply cannot have access to this information. Moreover, he undertakes to describe samples that have not even passed the tests and are not accepted for service.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 27 February 2018 06: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Moreover, he undertakes to describe samples that have not even passed the tests and are not accepted for service.

                  Hm. Well, for the sect of Zircon witnesses, there is nothing unusual in this.

                  I understood your position, thank you. Since in the last couple of weeks I have read quite a lot of news on Syria (including in the local headings “news” and “analytics”), against this background, Mr. Damantsev began to look like a model of solidity for me))))
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 26 February 2018 13: 53
          +4
          Well yes . only I have one article in a few months, or even years, and he has several in a week. feel the difference smile
          1. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 26 February 2018 15: 08
            +3
            Quote: sivuch
            Well yes . only I have one article in a few months, or even years, and he has several in a week. feel the difference

            As the classic said, less is better, but better. Seryozha spoke very highly of the monograph you wrote about the Krug Circle air defense system.
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    2. Chertt
      Chertt 26 February 2018 12: 08
      +10
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      What is "famous" Eugene Damantsev

      And he makes you think and read a lot, as well as analyze different sources. Sometimes it hurts repeat Damantsev Respect
    3. Lex.
      Lex. 26 February 2018 12: 32
      +2
      Information sources:
      https://www.sabah.com.tr/gundem/2016/02/23/aselsa
      n-radar-karistirici-korali-tskya-teslim-etti
      https://lenta.ru/news/2018/02/24/su57/
      http://nevskii-bastion.ru/rc-135w/
    4. Artek
      Artek 26 February 2018 12: 50
      0
      the picture doesn’t write ours, it’s for spies, what would they understand?
      1. Valery Saitov
        Valery Saitov 26 February 2018 13: 06
        +1
        This is for them to choose diapers sizes.
    5. Berber
      Berber 26 February 2018 13: 50
      +2
      That's it, my kettle began to boil, while I read to the end. In general, I think that the main goal is advertising. It was worth SU57 appear in Syria and they were talked about in all the media.
      1. Blackbeard
        Blackbeard 26 February 2018 19: 15
        +2
        maybe just to show India what Su-57 is capable of
        1. Berber
          Berber 27 February 2018 08: 51
          +1
          Probably. Hindus are emotional, like dancing. laughing
        2. bulvas
          bulvas 28 February 2018 14: 25
          0
          Quote: BerBer
          That's it, my kettle began to boil, while I read to the end. In general, I think that the main goal is advertising. It was worth SU57 appear in Syria and they were talked about in all the media ..


          Quote: blackbeard
          maybe just to show India what Su-57 is capable of


          re-read if this is not read:
          (although, the thought of the respected, blackbeard, I expressed immediately how I received information about the arrival of the SU-57 in Syria, I completely agree)

          Using all of the above passive sensors for navigation, reconnaissance and target designation in stealth mode, Su-57 will be able to get a lot of valuable tactical information for the command of the Russian group in the ATS without the need to transfer such a large machine as the Tu-214R. More importantly, the transfer of the latter through neutral airspace over the Caspian Sea is instantly detected by modern air defense radar systems of Azerbaijan, the main of which are Ukrainian 80K6 Pelican UHF radar detectors and Israeli EL / M-2080 Green Pine radars, information which is instantly on the table at Hulusi Akar and Erdogan. The latter immediately notify the controlled cells of Tahrir al-Sham and the FSA of the imminent start of comprehensive air control, for example, the same Idlib Viper. Naturally, rebels and other fighters from the "green enclave" instantly curtail all sorts of preparations for a particular military operation against the Syrian government forces.

          As a result, the commands of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Armed Forces lose a lot of valuable information, which could later be used to plan an effective spectrum of countermeasures. It will be extremely difficult for the enemy to calculate the exact moment of reconnaissance by the forces of the Su-57 pair, especially at night, while vehicles may appear both near Idlib captured by militants and near the Euphrates bed in order to get hotheads from the Central Command of the Armed Forces The United States thought well before covering the Syrian army, Syrian militia and other friendly forces from barreled artillery of the "Ganships" and HIMARS.

          Indeed, with the help of OLS-50M, promising fighters Su-57s can not only observe the enemy without revealing their location, but also quietly launch RVV-SD aerial combat missiles from inside the armament compartments.


          Thanks to the author for the article.
    6. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 27 February 2018 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      What Eugene Damantsev is “famous for” is the abundance of “water” in his publications, a lot of abbreviations cited out of place, unconfirmed characteristics and conclusions drawn from scratch. negative

      Having started reading the article, I realized that it was written for a narrow circle of specialists in high school. Therefore, I read it “diagonally”, I understood the main idea and all the things. To discuss the article, on my part, would be the height of stupidity.
  2. XII Legion
    XII Legion 26 February 2018 07: 17
    +17
    As I understand it, the use of this aircraft in actual combat operations seems to be not planned
    1. BAI
      BAI 26 February 2018 09: 12
      +4
      This is a fighter. Against whom to fight in the sky of Syria?
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      2. glum
        glum 26 February 2018 13: 11
        0
        against Ystrybytelei Gilovtsev :))
      3. XII Legion
        XII Legion 26 February 2018 13: 48
        +17
        I only read about running
        And it’s possible to turn a fighter into an attack fighter. He is multi-functional by the way
        1. Santjaga_Garka
          Santjaga_Garka 26 February 2018 17: 02
          0
          Only containers on external suspensions probably unmask too much?
      4. vadson
        vadson 26 February 2018 15: 53
        +1
        Well, judging by the article, su57 will be used as a hidden scout. in principle, it’s not bad, there are so many radars on it - it’s a sin not to use
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 26 February 2018 07: 37
    +5
    So the time has come SU57 grow up.
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 26 February 2018 08: 07
    +1
    How not to run into a stupid MANPADS when landing at the base!
  5. FID
    FID 26 February 2018 08: 08
    +4
    Military acceptance .... I'm not talking about TV, it's about .... well, let's say, about the air forces in the USSR.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 26 February 2018 08: 28
      +3
      Quote: SSI
      Military acceptance .... I'm not talking about TV, it's about .... well, let's say, about the air forces in the USSR.

      Sergey Ivanovich, hello!
      More likely military tests. But is it too early? After all, these are cars of not even a pre-production batch, still raw, with incomplete armament and avionics.
      1. FID
        FID 26 February 2018 11: 19
        +5
        Yes, okay, and the Su-30,35 accompanied ... Normal running in conditions close to ....
      2. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte 26 February 2018 11: 48
        +4
        Quote: Bongo
        More likely military tests. But is it too early? After all, these are cars of not even a pre-production batch, still raw, with incomplete armament and avionics.

        Quite timely. And then it turns out after 10 years that some systems are not functional, like the night vision systems of the "Night Hunters".
        I am very skeptical of statements about the “uniqueness” and “non-analogy” of domestic products (I had the “pleasure” in comparing the actual characteristics with the advertising ones).
        All the same, I hope that this is really a test of new technology, and not just another PR project, like the use of the Ka-50 in the Caucasus.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 26 February 2018 12: 15
          +9
          Quote: Snakebyte
          All the same, I hope that this is really a test of new technology, and not just another PR project, like the use of the Ka-50 in the Caucasus.

          This PR project, including the film “Black Shark,” probably saved the entire line of new Kamov Design Bureau helicopters
          1. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte 26 February 2018 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: Chertt
            This PR project, including the film “Black Shark,” probably saved the entire line of new Kamov Design Bureau helicopters

            Perhaps he saved it (although there was nothing left of the original Ka-50 concept - its “main caliber” of the Shkval air defense missile with long-range Vikhr missiles was safely buried), but this “military use” had no military significance.
            And the Ka-50 was launched into serial production even before being used in the Caucasus.
      3. Thrombus
        Thrombus 26 February 2018 19: 23
        +1
        The engines are 2 stages and you can test and put yourself, and where is the rest of the stuffing, where else but in Syria?
  6. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 26 February 2018 08: 48
    +1
    The main thing is that now in the parking lot of these two beauties they did not crash like the planes last time.
    1. fighter angel
      fighter angel 26 February 2018 10: 10
      +2
      And who told you that there are two of them? There is evidence that there are more than two of them ...
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 26 February 2018 13: 14
        +1
        Quote: fighter angel
        And who told you that there are two of them? There is evidence that there are more than two of them ...


        The Israeli satellite only took 2 Su-57 photos (they are definitely there), and about the information in the media about the arrival of two more planes, it is not known whether they were at all, or this photo of the same Su-57 is from a different angle.
        1. fighter angel
          fighter angel 26 February 2018 14: 27
          0
          Believe the "sons of Israel"? They showed you the picture itself?
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 26 February 2018 14: 51
            +2
            There is a snapshot on the net, by the way, many media outlets published it from the EROS-B satellite, and in the news section there is also an “Israeli satellite recorded the location of the Su-57 in Syria” yesterday article by the way ..... but don’t trust the reasons , there is a photo on it everything is fixed. Another thing is that somewhere else there are 2 Su-57s at the airbase in Khmeimim, besides these, but so far, apart from images from the user Wael Al Hussaini, where these 2 planes are captured in flight, and to which all the media refer, there is no information. And it remains only to guess whether they really arrived or whether all the same these 2 Su-57s were pictured. Over time, the issue may become clear.
            1. Thrombus
              Thrombus 26 February 2018 19: 28
              0
              There, the satellite took a picture in article 3 of the su-57, namely 3.
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 26 February 2018 19: 36
                +3
                I don’t know where you saw 3 Su-57 there, in the photo 2 Su-57, and even took in a frame and on the sides there are other types of aircraft, I'm not an expert but like the Su-35 are on the side .... but three Su-57 definitely not in the photo.
  7. Magic archer
    Magic archer 26 February 2018 09: 39
    +4
    In my opinion, the decision is controversial ... The Americans and their allies will do everything to at least learn something about the new dryers. And they have the means to do this. Running in combat is certainly a necessary thing, but you need to think about the consequences.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 26 February 2018 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: Magic Archer
      In my opinion, the decision is controversial ... The Americans and their allies will do everything to at least learn something about the new dryers. And they have the means to do this. Running in combat is certainly a necessary thing, but you need to think about the consequences.

      And why did you decide that fools are sitting in the Central Committee? "They will fly in the sun at night!" wink
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 26 February 2018 09: 42
    +2
    Apparently, the commanders in our valiant and legendary, finally realized that in the race for the fifth generation, they’re not even the second, but "somewhere soooo .... five ... seven ..." Well, brothers -Harabats on the "raptors" threw food for thought (the Su-25 pilots, standing, it’s supposed that these akroats were clapping, not in the air, straight from the cockpit) So they decided, znachitstso, to test out what our fifth generation represents ...
    And how they will do it is not given to us to know. But, I can say one thing - Surovikin’s handwriting is felt in this decision.
  9. Glory1974
    Glory1974 26 February 2018 10: 26
    +4
    Tests in combat are quite normal. I recall that Yak-Xnumx aircraft were also tested in Afghanistan, and the Black Shark and KA-Xnumx helicopters in Chechnya.
    If we lose the plane, it’s a shame of course, but much worse if the new plane does not live up to our expectations and one day cannot resist the enemy. There was so much technology that it could not show itself in 1941 and disappeared without any benefit.
  10. Rostislav
    Rostislav 26 February 2018 10: 57
    +5
    so that the "hotheads" from the Central Command of the US Armed Forces thought well before covering the Syrian Army, Syrian militias and other friendly forces from the Ganshipov and HIMARS barrel artillery

    This requires a decision by the supreme, and not the appearance of a couple more fighters, albeit the latest.
  11. oxymoron
    oxymoron 26 February 2018 10: 58
    +2
    I wonder if ours use any analogue of the Luneberg lens, as the Americans do.
    It seems that the Chinese have seen something like a lens
    1. lance
      lance 26 February 2018 13: 41
      +1
      Are you very sure that this lens increases EPR? then it's time to take them off. Syrians with Arabs claim the first combat use of the su-57
  12. Esthete
    Esthete 26 February 2018 11: 42
    +8
    Quote: glory1974
    Black Shark and KA-50 helicopters in Chechnya.


    And? :)))) The "Black Shark" - this is precisely the "nickname" of the Ka-50. That the "expert" is the author, that the "experts" are the commentators - it’s like fire.
  13. ares1988
    ares1988 26 February 2018 12: 18
    +2
    Everything is OK, the only clarification: well, they will not “secretly” shoot down American ganships with the SU-57, even in the case of the next Dier-ez-Zor. Well, official Moscow today does not want to start a war with NATO. And, in my opinion - this is for the better.
    1. lance
      lance 26 February 2018 13: 48
      +4
      now inform claim that the Russians in the ghut covered the barmalei together with the instructors of the usa and kalitsi using the invisibility sou
      1. fighter angel
        fighter angel 26 February 2018 14: 31
        +1
        Very interesting. Are the details already known?
      2. ares1988
        ares1988 26 February 2018 15: 40
        +1
        Details would be in order to be able to judge the reliability. So far, it’s more like trying to heal a FEM.
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 26 February 2018 13: 43
    0
    Using all of the above passive navigation, reconnaissance and targeting sensors in stealth mode, the Su-57 will be able to get a lot of tactical information valuable for the command of the Russian group in the ATS without the need to transfer such a large machine as the Tu-214R.
    And why "drive" this aircraft back and forth, and not include it in the air wing in Syria on an ongoing basis. How many do we have? If two or more, then generally there should be no problems with rotation. winked
  15. Curious
    Curious 26 February 2018 13: 54
    +3
    Reading the article, the thought came that Damantsev and Samsonov from the "History" section are one and the same person. Wide-angle spray gun.
  16. groks
    groks 26 February 2018 14: 11
    0
    The article looks like a solid such a handout.
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 26 February 2018 15: 06
      +4
      Yes, all articles look like that. To learn the technique of publishing in the media, it’s the same as reading horoscopes. Compilers are the same in essence. Just speculation.
  17. Fidail Mukhamedzyanov
    Fidail Mukhamedzyanov 26 February 2018 14: 54
    +1
    So, oh, SOON SOON, THESE PLANES will experience EXACTLY in BATTLE ACTIONS !!! Well, hold on to the "HONEY" and their "KID" !!!
  18. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 26 February 2018 15: 07
    0
    the readiness of their regimes to use military force against strategically important facilities of the Syrian Arab Army

    Recently, the situation in Syria looks like a hockey score 2: 3 Russia: Germany at the Olympics.
  19. Outsider
    Outsider 26 February 2018 15: 28
    0
    Quote: Lance
    Are you very sure that this lens increases EPR?

    - Yes you! They REDUCE it! Therefore, the Americans and the Chinese have stuck them on all sides! yes
  20. Santor
    Santor 26 February 2018 15: 29
    +4
    Well, the first thing I went to peer at the indicated sources ... With the same success, one could poke a link to a Playboy or Magazine for boys - the benefit is the same .... I pinned a link to the media, which the people call " Tape.vru ".... We reprinted a tweet of some kind of fool, where he inserted a photo two years ago, and how they give out the truth, and Pan Damantsev eagerly echoes them ....
    In the photo we see by no means SU-57 and, for some reason, A-50 ... Although the Syrian blogger who really shot the arrival of 2's SU-57 noted that they were accompanied by one su-30 and the TU-154 was used as the leader ...
    Pan Damantsev’s lack of knowledge of Aglitsky apparently prevented him from reading in the same tweet the mocking comments at the bottom of the photos ... Like “they aren’t visible like they aren’t in the photos.

    By the way, Lenta.ru today peremptorily put out the news that these SU-57s struck East Ghuta on the morning of 26 on February where they allegedly scored a couple of dozen American instructors in the general heap of the innocent oppositionists ... And with the inscription - urgently .... Well, yes ... then, relying on Lenta.ru, all sorts of Independents and the like have already suffered this, and tomorrow we will hear - bang !!! - the news that the evil Russians smashed seven kindergartens, two schools, four hospitals and as many as two nursing homes in the territory controlled by the militants ... And by the way - with one bomb ...
  21. Outsider
    Outsider 26 February 2018 15: 29
    0
    Quote: BAI
    This is a fighter. Against whom to fight in the sky of Syria?

    - Against the fighters! good
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  23. Outsider
    Outsider 26 February 2018 15: 33
    +2
    Quote: Lance
    now inform claim that the Russians in the ghut covered the barmalei together with the instructors of the usa and kalitsi using the invisibility sou

    - 2000 Yankees dead! They buried everyone! repeat
    1. lance
      lance 26 February 2018 17: 06
      0
      no info says a dozen. judging that the Americans are spraying saliva, and Merkel and the Frenchman are ringing that something still happened and this is certainly not 57.
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 26 February 2018 16: 33
    +1
    with all this, the presence of the Su-57 in Syria plays an equally important role - a demonstration of strength and deterrence factor for the arrogant Yankees and Israelis and hot Turks
  25. Outsider
    Outsider 26 February 2018 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: Volka
    with all this, the presence of the Su-57 in Syria plays an equally important role - a demonstration of strength and deterrence factor for the arrogant Yankees and Israelis and hot Turks

    - Right! Jews - they have been frightened since childhood and are afraid of everything: when will they now decide to embed their goals in Syria again?
    Surely as a curtsy and a presentation to the Most Holy One before the election, they will not be bullies? Or will they? Not afraid of the Su-57 ?!
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 26 February 2018 17: 31
      +3
      We will, we will. While the objects directed against Israel will be, a plan for their thinning will be implemented. I do not think that your supreme has something against it. No one canceled checks and balances. Well, put the prime minister before your blow to the notice, and all business. No one here will be hacked soo 57 against f 35. Who is interested in taking risks without an item ...
  26. looker-on
    looker-on 26 February 2018 17: 10
    +4
    RVV-SD. The author tell me where to get it to apply? Or are the warehouses already breaking from them - how do you want to use and unleash, finally the war in full?

    My opinion: Airplanes arrived not to fight. Let me remind you that these are only prototypes not accepted for service. Maintenance of new equipment in real conflict is ongoing. Tests in heat and dust. The work of technicians. Flying pilots. But they say lie-combat use. The risks are great to lose the prototype.
    1. Eflintuk
      Eflintuk 26 February 2018 23: 43
      +1
      I still didn’t understand what kind of samples they were — serial ones already delivered to the troops, or something experienced, which was shoved as much as possible in order to smell than the enemy breathes in the radio frequency spectrum while there is such an opportunity? A wonderful technique of course is a crude aircraft, with raw filling on the front edge to shove.
      1. Shaska
        Shaska 28 February 2018 14: 47
        0
        Well, if you're interested - get an engineer in the design bureau and they will explain everything to you there. But, for starters, finish aircraft engineering courses somewhere in Novosibirsk ... NSTU SSF, for example, to help you ... Well, and then - how lucky ...
  27. Outsider
    Outsider 26 February 2018 17: 23
    0
    Quote: Magic Archer
    In my opinion, the decision is controversial ... The Americans and their allies will do everything to at least learn something about the new dryers. And they have the means to do this. Running in combat is certainly a necessary thing, but you need to think about the consequences.

    - What new things can they learn about them there ?? What would surprise them endlessly ?? EG?
    1. Eflintuk
      Eflintuk 26 February 2018 23: 36
      0
      Probably the fact that they have already taken off production
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  28. Sars
    Sars 26 February 2018 18: 34
    +2
    The first pair flew in, accompanied by four thirty-fifths. Nothing is known about the second pair's escort. Are there too many airplanes at one not very military airport?
    My opinion is the arrival of Syria Su-57 - exclusively an advertising campaign for the elections. We would like to experience it - we would have sent it earlier (before victory). We would like to fight with the amers and others and the chosen ones - we would place the MiG-31 in Egypt and Iran.
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      1. Bell pepper
        Bell pepper 27 February 2018 02: 25
        0
        READ: Diagrams of radio reflection, frequency, horizontal angle, and azimuth. F 22

        http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t
        = 27825

        And tomorrow I’ll draw you how Su 35 steam can easily find and destroy Ф 22 / Ф35.
  29. persei
    persei 26 February 2018 20: 47
    +1
    In the end, I would very much like to read the expert opinion on the use of SU-57.
  30. shuravi
    shuravi 26 February 2018 23: 06
    +1
    At least some conclusions were drawn:
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3102657.html?utm_ref
    errer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com
  31. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper 27 February 2018 02: 08
    +5
    to avoid the expiration of tactical and technical parameters of the fifth generation fighter Su 5, including the parameters of the radar reflection, the Russian military should be testing all the time:
    1) use active means of REB including on the ground.
    2) always fly in pairs, in three, including with fighters of other models (Su 35, Su 30, etc.).
    4) Always run the radar on a false frequency range and on a reduced output power.
    5) to observe from a satellite for the take-off and appearance of other people's aircraft in the sky over Syria in a radius of 100-150 kilometers, and if such aircraft are detected, immediately begin active suppression in all frequency ranges at maximum power to avoid displaying friendly aircraft on enemy radars, and getting "reliable" information on how far you can see the Russian Su 57 plane.
    7) Russian designers SHOULD stop talking about their insights and show everyone (including Jews) what they did and how to do it, hand out diagrams, drawings, what and how exactly this product works, including on patriotic videos.

    Underestimating American electronics, engineers, specialists and designers this will be a gross mistake.
    Always defend your advanced technologies, do not sell the most modern weapons with different bastards (such as Turks, Arabs, Negroes, etc.).
    Example: if you want to sell C 400, first make C 500, C 600, take them into service and only then sell C 400.
    How many times the same thing happens: talk in detail about how exactly a certain system works, and then Russian soldiers and officers die abroad.
    Do not give any information to Jews and Americans about your military in Syria, where, why, what they are doing.
    Luck!
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  35. Outsider
    Outsider 28 February 2018 19: 23
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    This is a fighter. Against whom to fight in the sky of Syria?

    - It multipurpose aircraft.