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Where and to whom do Artek campers spit today?

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Where and to whom do Artek campers spit today?



And again familiar words: Crimea, Sevastopol, "Artek". But alas, there is nothing joyful about them. And that's not our fault. Our fault is that we cannot stop the change of values ​​in the minds of young people.

What you can not do for huskies? Even on a seemingly serious resource like “VO”, from time to time there are individuals who are ready to do anything for the sake of beautiful but virtual epaulets.

It is often difficult for a normal person to understand this, because we are mostly intelligent and serious people. But there are exceptions.

Another question is when a person is 18 or, God forbid, 14 years, in his life one of the key determining criteria is public approval.

We translate into a normal language - herd instinct. Modern young herd lives by its own laws and in social networks.

And, no matter how rebellious the young blood may be, no matter how it goes against traditional values, the principle of “ours — others” is the key. In an environment where this principle prevails, it is important to break the taboo. And, in a cunning way. Violating the law, risking a fine or term, is not very accepted.

It is customary to violate the traditions, the unwritten commandments of the fathers, to push the limits of ethical restrictions — this is both effective and not dangerous, since they will not give a deadline for this, they will no longer reap it. All youth comedies and TV shows paint the image of a “troublemaker” - an example to follow - he is not afraid to be misunderstood, he does not consider the opinion of his elders, he wanted to spit on the elderly.

And for these “feats” he gets likes, popularity, recognizability.

Actually, what our shift lives with. Voila

Not so long ago, we were pretty shook up. Someone was outraged by the video of future pilots from Ulyanovsk, someone (a little earlier) was dancing-shook from Novorossiysk.

And here you will get - a new round of the process of getting rid of conscience and soul - the Artek dancers in the catacombs of the “35 battery”.

Indifferent and miserable, as always, will write off everything to childhood and impulsivity. And we, as corrosive people, will try to understand the phenomenon of dancing on the bones.

Especially if there is the most famous camp “Artek” in it and the so-called non-museum “35-I coastal battery” from Sevastopol.

Chronicles of Vandalism

We already wrote that the people from the 35-th battery arrange rock concerts at the necropolis, drape obelisks with black rags, play joke scenes at the entrance to the battery casemates, and other youth quests and other things ... We also gave a direct speech of the director of the pseudo muzey "35-I coastal battery" (not officially registered in the Russian Federation) Valery Volodin, in which, as an avid guide, he said that thousands of defenders of Sevastopol were killed in the casemates.

But it was with the connivance of the leadership of the pseudo-museum that these creative “shootings” of the Artek people took place.

The children from the international camp found themselves in dungeons for a reason. Crimean residents often see Artek blue buses plying the sights of the peninsula. They carry children from the hinterland of Russia, discovering the Crimea. Casemates of the 35 battery are included in the list of such places.

A group of comrades in red and yellow costumes was accompanied by Natalia Zheleznyakova, a methodologist for relations with the young students of the pseudo-museum, a woman who has a peculiar outlook on life (she also organizes quests in the territory of the battery, where children run for speed).

During the tour, some of the children ... wandered along the corridors of the heroic battery, despite the fact that counselors, methodologists and guards were next to them.

In general, moving around the battery without a battery is prohibited. Shooting in dungeons for some reason is also prohibited. I remember when I was shooting the guide on the phone, I was asked several times not to do it. But the guests from “Artek” didn’t touch any of the rules of the excursion, which they demand from ordinary visitors with such zeal.

By the way, the video surveillance system covers all routes of the battery. Also on each route are guards. Thus, the “chusmka” workers (the only legal form of a pseudo-museum is a private institution that assists the museum's historical and memorial complex, which is not documented), was abundant with children and there were too many opportunities to stop vulgar behavior. But ... no one stood up for the memory.

"Heroes Artek"

To try to understand the reasons for the asocial behavior of adolescents, which are dazzled by the media over the last few months, let's take a closer look at the “heroes” of the Artek maneuvers in the heart of the monument to the Russian military spirit.

Meet Julia, a member of the Artek shift from the small town of Lysva, Perm Territory (Manchester is listed as the city of residence in the social network accounts), and Nelly, a resident of Nytva of the Perm Territory.

The photos are taken from free access - the girls placed them in a specially created group on the social network called “Khlebushki”. They added about 500 photos from excursions. Mostly girls embrace, make faces, hold each other ... by the legs.



We learned from Julia's account in social networks that she received the distinction “Pride of the Perm Territory” (“Culture and Art” nomination) given to the best students of Lysva schools, we also saw that the girl writes very competently.



From the account of Nelly, we learn that the girl literally lives "Artek". Well, we find on her page such notes like here:



Well, a natural creative result.





500 (FIVE CELL) photos of this kind.

Comments? Are they really needed?

Disgusting.

Of stories Artek without quotes



In 1941, children drove into the Artek, as usual. A day after the start of the Great Patriotic War, the Artek team sent a telegram to Moscow: “While resting in the sunny Artek, they are always ready to defend the Motherland.”

This shift was later called the longest in the history of the camp, it lasted three and a half years. Two hundred children from the western regions and republics occupied by the Nazis, along with counselors, a doctor and the head of the camp, were evacuated to the deep rear - the Altai resort village of Belokurikha. There, children and adults lived according to Artek laws, helped families of front-line soldiers wounded in hospitals, collected scrap metal for construction tanks and airplanes.

It was not possible to find the manifesto or code of the Artek party on the Artek website, but it’s obvious that when creating the Artek pioneer camp in the tract, Zinovy ​​Petrovich Solovyov laid a sacred meaning, which can be called “conscience”.

Conscience is both the protection of the weak, and respect for the elders, and even more so, the memory of the fallen for the freedom of your country.



Conclusions?

Disappointing conclusions come to mind when you are making a circus platform for grimacing and endless KVN from holy and important places for millions of people.

Not the most pleasant thoughts arise in the head from the sight of sleek, well-dressed children who are awarded certificates for study, even competently writing, but for some reason not brought up in respect to the heroic defenders of the Motherland from the Nazis.

Fat, very bold, we emphasize: it is hell, "Artek"!

It becomes bitter from understanding the fact that, even after listening to the story of the heroic days of the second defense of Sevastopol, these children, under the silent indifference of the counselors, go to the next hall, where, perhaps, the last October military council was held.

And they leave not to listen to the solemn silence of the walls, not to honor the memory of the soldiers-defenders with their own personal moment of silence, but to leave their legs to the camera, because the likes are the most expensive, even more expensive than their own stories…

Amazing children of amazing parents, isn't it?

Not surprised in this situation, only workers "chusmika" seized 35-th coastal battery. None of the employees of this organization did not prevent the profane memory of the heroes of the second defense, no one explained to ill-educated children why this should not be done. With that, the workers of the Chalovsky Museum-phantom had all the means at their disposal.

Just want to note that "they" is not all thank God. We are not about Ukraine, no. We are about Europe.

A year ago, an Israeli artist and a man of high morality, Shahak Safira, united a “selfie” of smiling people against the background of a memorial to the victims of the Holocaust in Berlin with photos of the war years, resulting in a terrible dissonance. The aim of the project was a simple call for tact and respect for the victims of the Nazis.

There is such a memorial in Berlin. Made, frankly, on "fuck off." Whether so, or specifically made, but this maze is used in every way. Including for photo shoots.









The work of an Israeli admires and slaps his face at the same time. And immediately gives an answer to the question about the moral condition of the thugs who sign their self-images “Jumping over the dead Jews”. It is clear that such a photo we will not publish here just out of respect.

Are we much better? That's it. Not too much.

It is clear that in the winter, those who “do not shine” get into “Artek” in the summer. Residual. Nevertheless, even in this case, gentlemen counselors, educators and others are obliged to WORK! Help parents PREVENT children.

We are talking here about memory, about honoring history, about the fact that people who don’t remember the past are not worthy of the future ...

In the flour, yes?

We are proud. From the bottom of our hearts we are “proud” of Yulechka and Nelechka’s parents. Moms and dads really love their daughters, once they were hurt by sending them to Artek. Great, especially when you consider, from where. Lysva and Nytva are, of course, not Moscow and Peter, yes.

But through the “pride” another question is being punched: was it not cheaper to instill conscience?

Explain that there are places in which they do not make “selfies”, but take off their hats and are silent.

We ask for forgiveness, we now quote the phrases of one person. Well, there is no way for us to stand next to him and not to say better.

“The duty to be human will not end with the present war, and to fulfill this duty will require a heroic heart, until all people become people.

Whole generations of heroes have fallen. Love at least one of them, like sons and daughters, be proud of him as a great man who lived in the future.

Anyone who was faithful to the future and died to make it beautiful is like a statue carved out of stone.

The one who, from the dust of the past, wanted to build a dam and stop the flood of the revolution, he is only a figurine of rotten wood, even if it is now wearing gold galloons on its uniform!

But these people should be discerned in all their insignificance and meanness, in all their cruelty and ridiculousness, for they too are the material for future judgments. ”

Julius Fucik, "Report with a noose around his neck."


It's a shame to look at little people in Russia.

And here it is not about three ill-mannered girls (the third is who shot, if that). We are talking about their parents, who gave birth, yes, educators (who did not educate), teachers (who did not teach) and so on according to the list.

What a blessing that “Pride of the Perm Territory” Yulia arrived in Artek. And not something lower rank. Imagine what we could see then.

And thanks to all for that. And the employees of the Perm region, and the employees of the Artek, and the incomprehensible until now the gentlemen of the “chusmka” 35 battery.

Lacking only the last selfie. Against the background of the grave of civil education in Russia.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 26 February 2018 06: 41
    +56
    My son was in Artek for two years. He talked about which children go there at the base of their own. Travel packages are bought, and for a lot of money. It is clear that Artek needs to be built and developed, but how much can everyone rest against paid trips? Who can they buy? It's amazing that I received it for achievements among the few. And everything else ... THIS IS NOT CHILDREN ANCHORED IN A HEROIC PLACE .... THIS IS EDUCATION OUR ... THIS EDUCATION IS OUR AND OUR AUTHORITY THROWS THERE ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 26 February 2018 07: 53
      +27
      This is true, and there still those cults are thriving, now in the "trend", that is, Navalny and Ksenia are fashionable. A friend wrote, her daughter went to a camp in Finland-type English courses and all that, classmates simply terrorized this girl from behind a phone cover with a photo of Putin. -Tear off the case and broke it into small pieces ... A worthy change is growing. .. yes-ah.
    2. Artek
      Artek 26 February 2018 09: 44
      +10
      and that Roman Skomorokhov do you blame children for antisocial behavior? Maybe it’s necessary to bring to justice such teachers from Urengoy who teach dirty tricks on the graves and sympathize with the enemy? Well, then who prepares such teachers?
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 26 February 2018 13: 16
        +30
        And I support the authors of the article! The problem raised by them is serious and in this case is quite specific. No need to leave the discussion of this raised problem somewhere beyond the horizon. There are specific facts and a specific negative political trend - they must be considered.

        Are the employees of a private and nowhere officially registered museum not themselves informal teachers, educators and ideologists ?! Are.
        The Crimean authorities need to take the museum for registration and under the control of the relevant special services. Otherwise, the country will receive throughout the country breeding centers for the generation of pan-headed “maydaunas”, as in Ukraine.
        This, I would say, pro-Western NKoshny “bell” of Artek’s agents of influence on children, as a mass application to the growing Russian youth, is one more! To do this "NCO" as soon as possible to the corresponding special services of the Russian Federation!

        Thanks to the authors for the article! The article is correct and very relevant!
      2. Morozyaka
        Morozyaka 26 February 2018 20: 19
        +7
        And what? Correctly! Teachers should bring up children, instill in them pride in their country and love for their homeland. And parents, apparently, are not up to it - they need to work. Let’s ask the teachers!
        So what? That's why for some reason my 9-year-old son wouldn’t do that. And when he saw on the platform at the tank biathlon of the German military he looked at them for a long time and asked questions - how did it happen that they were allowed to go. And I’m not at home for more than half a year ... Probably, my son’s teachers at school are correct ...
    3. AA17
      AA17 26 February 2018 10: 20
      +14
      Dear 210qq. I completely agree with your words. It is We, the older generation, to blame. We are to blame - that we have such an education ... We are to blame - that we have such a government ...
      PS
      "The teacher himself must be what he wants to make the pupil" (V.I. Dahl).
      "Over the years, emptiness and frustration are formed among those young people whose childhood and adolescence
      was thoughtless satisfaction of their needs "(V.A. Sukhomlinsky).
      "Where there are no good old people, there is no good youth." (proverb)
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 22
        +14
        Quote: AA17
        "Where there are no good old people, there is no good youth."

        judging by the attitude of the authorities towards pensioners, we will never have good youth. They see how their fathers and grandfathers live and do not want such a life. They just don’t want to. What did Putin promise in 2005?
        - "Russia should become the most attractive country for life."
        Become? For whom, yes, but for many, no.
      2. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 2 March 2018 19: 57
        0
        It may be necessary to prosecute such teachers from Urengoy, who are taught dirty tricks on the graves and sympathize with the enemy?


        «A teacher is a subtle thing; A national, national teacher has been developed for centuries, is held by traditions, countless experiences.
        You, for example, will set up schools for money, but now you will not do teachers.

        But suppose you make money not only for teachers, but even, finally, for scientists; and what? - still you can’t do people. What is the fact that he is a scientist, if he does not understand the matter? For example, he will learn pedagogy and will be an excellent teacher of pedagogy from the department, but still he will not become a teacher.

        People, people - this is the most important thing. People are more expensive than even money. You can’t buy people in any market with any money, because they are not sold or bought, but again they are made for centuries; well, but centuries it takes time, about twenty-five or thirty years, even here, where centuries have long cost nothing.

        Man of ideas and science of self, self business man is formed only by the long independent life of the nation, its centuries-long suffering, in a word, is it formed the whole historical life of the country».
        F. M. Dostoevsky, “The Diaries of a Writer”, 1873
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 09
      +10
      Quote: 210ox
      For two years my son was in Artek. He talked about which children go there basically.

      I will upset you. this was still under the Union. The ticket was sold and it was possible to get to Artek by pull. A simple boy or a girl there is a rare exception.
      1. lance
        lance 26 February 2018 12: 34
        +4
        depending on what years to take. from the 60s-80s of the last century this was not.
        1. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 26 February 2018 22: 21
          +2
          I agree, somewhere in 1960 and I was sent there for free, a simple rural schoolboy. Then, the truth, the classmate went, but that doesn’t change anything.
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 1 March 2018 20: 11
          0
          lance It was in Soviet times in the mid-70s. My daughter, whom I sent, was not sent by an excellent student, nor was she a pioneer activist. But she just wanted to and dad took out a ticket.
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 26 February 2018 12: 37
        +11
        Well, how much can ALL blame on power ?! What Putin should bring up your child? If a person has not earned a decent pension, is Medvedev to blame? WE are to blame for all of today's negativity, WE! Nobody will equip either an apartment or Russia for us.
        1. uskrabut
          uskrabut 26 February 2018 15: 47
          +10
          Quote: Victor N
          What Putin should bring up your child?

          Putin must blame the government, who failed in the "national economy" without the right to work in the state and municipal services. Especially in education and medicine: sloppiness and theft in these industries lead to the death of the nation.
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 26 February 2018 16: 38
            +6
            Quote: uskrabut
            Especially in education and medicine: sloppiness and theft in these industries lead to the death of the nation.

            Can’t you start from your own school? We saw the fact of sloppiness and theft - send a complaint. Now everything is possible on the Internet. They are comfortable, let ALL Putin be responsible, even for the upbringing of your children ... that’s the root of the problem, that laziness has won. And so basically 1-2 children, and so you can’t give education. it’s easier to watch a telly about bad Americans, right? And Putin scold is the easiest.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 26 February 2018 17: 21
              +13
              Quote: Semen1972
              Saw the fact of sloppiness and theft - send a complaint

              What does it change? I filed a complaint with the central administration of the province, then with the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And the one I complained about was sent to me. He did not scold himself!
              Quote: Semen1972
              And Putin scold is the easiest.

              and who built the state machine so that the truth can not be found? Why are caught thieves perching from one chair to another? Just do not about the planted! For 1.5 billion dollars stolen by Aoya, they were sentenced to 2-3 years and 4 million fines. You want to say. that the quality of adopted laws does not depend on Putin? And who signs them? Trump?
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              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 27 February 2018 08: 30
                +3
                Quote: Vitaly 1974
                How many facts about theft on the Internet, but to sense! And who goes further, begins to struggle with the system, he immediately receives the label "fifth column

                I ask the court with evidence, but those about whom you write here love to shoot more and more kina! And in the courts they lose for slander! But you know for sure that the bastards are stealing repeat Yes, they steal, they steal, and they will always steal; people understand, they are not perfect weak request
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 27 February 2018 10: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  I ask the court with evidence

                  and here is the court! The most humane court in the world!



                  Do you still believe in the Court?
                  1. Semen1972
                    Semen1972 2 March 2018 14: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Do you still believe in the Court?

                    Yes.
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 26 February 2018 23: 19
        +1
        Totally agree with you . Of ordinary children (workers, peasants, rank-and-file engineers and military) there were units, for show. The rest of the children are elite desks and the shopping mafia. In a word, the children of the right people. And of course all sorts of foreign kids.
    5. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 26 February 2018 14: 29
      +2
      It is clear that Artek needs to be built and developed.
      Artek is being built and developed with Gazprom money, which no one is going to return in any form.
      On this topic. Artek was a factory for the production of the Soviet elite. But under the Ukrainian masters, it quickly became a brothel, providing "whoever needs" the services of youngsters. Return the "factory of the elite"? But as?
      1. dSK
        dSK 26 February 2018 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Return the "factory of the elite"?

        “The apple does not fall far from the apple tree”, “Oranges do not grow on the aspen” - folk proverbs.
        "Want your children to be angels - don't be the devils yourself." theologian, prof. Alexey Osipov.
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    7. gurzuf
      gurzuf April 26 2018 17: 57
      0
      And do not be surprised if Artek masters a cemetery for development. It seems not the children are doing this.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 26 February 2018 06: 45
    +12
    But these people should be discerned in all their insignificance and meanness
    And who of them knows about Julia Fucik ?!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 February 2018 09: 59
      +23
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And who of them knows about Julia Fucik ?!

      "Tili-vili! Tralee-vali! We didn’t go through it! They didn’t ask us! And in general, we read Solzhenitsyn! There! What is Fuchik? Do Volodya Dubinin remember in Artek?
      Until there is a clear ideology in the state, until this ideology is the basis of the life of ALL, UP TO NOW! there will be such phenomena, more and more often. And do not blame everything on teachers. what task they are set up will be taught and educated.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 11
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        Do Volodya Dubinin remember in Artek?

        I've been to his grave, though for a long time. Then there were flowers.
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 26 February 2018 12: 55
        +6
        [quote = Egoza] [quote = Uncle Lee] And who of them knows about Julia Fucik ?! [/ quote]

        Until there is a clear ideology in the state ..... Dear! There are many regrets about ideology, but there is no ideology itself! And why not, think! No one has forbidden to offer - but NO OFFERS! Except - return to the communist - but these proposals do not find support.
        Given this - the lack of STATE IDEOLOGY - it remains for everyone to choose a LOVELY ideology for themselves and follow it.
        Already THEN you can find yourself co-religionists and make friends with them, create.
        I am satisfied with the moral values ​​of Christianity, they are consonant with the values ​​of Islam and not only (with variations). And I want to equip my country in order to live comfortably in it. And he began this business with the arrangement of his home.
        And you can always philosophize slyly.
        1. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 26 February 2018 22: 36
          +2
          Given this - the lack of STATE IDEOLOGY - it remains for everyone to choose a LOVELY ideology for themselves and follow it.
          Already THEN you can find yourself co-religionists and make friends with them, create.
          I am satisfied with the moral values ​​of Christianity, they are consonant with the values ​​of Islam and not only (with variations). And I want to equip my country in order to live comfortably in it. And he began this business with the arrangement of his home.
          And you can always philosophize slyly.

          Yes, you can always philosophize slyly .... Given the lack of state ideology, you will get amiable crawfish, pike and swan or donkey, goat, monkey and clubfoot. In the end, and things are still there or, as friends, you don’t sit down, and you are not good at musicians. So the country is not equipped.
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 27 February 2018 11: 35
            +1
            In the twentieth century, many ideas were born, they deceived a lot of people whom the leaders led to death, deprivation, torment: Makhno, Petliura, ............. Caution is necessary with ideas and ideologies. But it is necessary to equip - the law of life. But this law begins to work with its own arrangement - make your family self-sufficient. Do not burden society with your problems. A happy society consists of happy families.
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    3. Oleko
      Oleko 26 February 2018 16: 55
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      10


      Uncle lee

      Today, 06: 45



      "But these people must be discerned in all their insignificance and meanness"
      And who of them knows about Julia Fucik ?!

      No one. Julia Fucheka in nature did not exist.
      1. Sma11
        Sma11 26 February 2018 22: 33
        +1
        Quote: Oleko
        No one. Julia Fucheka in nature did not exist.

        Yes what you say! (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D1%83%D1%87
        % D0% B8% D0% BA, _% D0% AE% D0% BB% D0% B8% D1% 83% D1% 81). Do you exist then? Or an Internet bot?
        1. Oleko
          Oleko 3 March 2018 17: 30
          0
          JULIUS, not JULIUS. In the same place, in WIKI, everything is precisely written. Executed in Pankratz prison.
  3. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 26 February 2018 06: 52
    +14
    The problem is, in fact, acute. And it’s not only Artek’s staff and teachers. Mostly not in them.
    We, parents, are busy making money in the first place, the pursuit of academic performance in the second. Tutors and nannies. Everything.
    Parenting at best comes down to instilling good manners. The kids are accustomed to traveling in good parental cars, often with a driver, as well as to excellent living conditions - a separate spacious room with a TV, two gadgets + computer each - are connected to networks, to virtual communication and numerous Western youth subcultures.
    What do you want from them, from the teachers of Orlyonok and Artek, from teachers and min.education, if our parental faces in fluff are impossible?
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 26 February 2018 08: 42
      +14
      Quote: Krasnodar
      We, parents, are busy making money in the first place, the pursuit of academic performance in the second. Tutors and nannies. Everything.
      Parenting at best comes down to instilling good manners. The kids are used to traveling in good parental cars, often with a driver, as well as to excellent living conditions - a separate spacious room with a TV, two gadgets + computer

      What are you saying? You are lying, the people are really poor and poor, there’s no work, they don’t pay or they’re small, it’s enough only for housing and communal services, many people have two jobs around the clock, there are no three jobs, here are the children and homelessness. And those who are rich officials and oligarchs of their children in Oxford sends to study. And in general, as 210
      Quote: 210ox
      NOT CHILDREN ANCILATED IN A HEROIC PLACE .... THIS IS EDUCATION OF OUR ... THIS EDUCATION IS OUR AND OUR POWER IS ANCIENT TO YOU ...

      Putin and the authorities are to blame, but Grudinin will restore order.
      Z.Y. fool fool fool
      1. RomanS
        RomanS 26 February 2018 10: 14
        +4
        Well, yes, the Bandera will come, it will restore order ... We observe the order ...
      2. vladafer
        vladafer 2 March 2018 20: 01
        0
        In, as you candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation, Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin, or rather his program, touched something that you’re fasting from a post, from a topic to a topic, rinse his name for nothing. However, my friend’s illness ...
    2. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 26 February 2018 09: 52
      +14
      Krasnodar Today, 06:52 New
      Parenting at best comes down to instilling good manners. The kids are accustomed to traveling in good parental cars, often with a driver, as well as to excellent living conditions - a separate spacious room with a TV, two gadgets + computer each - are connected to networks, to virtual communication and numerous Western youth subcultures.
      This is whose life you are describing now, yours? Apparently you don’t know HOW ordinary people live. The common people do not have money for nannies, personal drivers, for separate rooms and new-fashioned gadgets. This is how our "little girl" lives, but by no means an ordinary people.
      The only thing you can agree with is the fact that everyone works hard from morning to evening, and there really is no time left to educate your own children.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 27 February 2018 20: 21
        +1
        I’m really with you .......... The position you indicated, as you rightly said, is the result of the activities of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, but you will still vote for the hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. In my opinion, only you and cedar suffer in cognitive dissonance in VO.
      2. woron333444
        woron333444 1 March 2018 20: 18
        +1
        Varyag_0711 My parents injected me from morning to evening, and then after work they managed to educate me as well. If you want shit not to grow from children, then you will always find time. You do not have to sit on the Internet, but deal with children.
    3. AA17
      AA17 26 February 2018 10: 24
      +5
      Dear, Krasnodar. I agree. "Parents work, children enjoy life, grandchildren - begging (Japanese.)."
  4. Petr petrov
    Petr petrov 26 February 2018 06: 54
    +12
    Quote: 210ox
    OUR POWER IS ANCIENT THERE ...

    This is true!
    And everything else follows from this !!!!!
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 26 February 2018 07: 07
      +22
      Quote: Petr petrov
      And everything else follows from this !!!!!

      From Grudinin or what? lol Did you want to say that? Grudinin’s president, he’ll put half the country and will have the same kindergartens and schools for him? But I have a different opinion, I think he’ll merge half the country yesAnd our communists will beat themselves in the chest again, but it’s not us, he himself came hi
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 26 February 2018 09: 13
        +12
        Quote: you Vlad

        From Grudinin or what? .... But I have a different opinion, I think that he will merge the floor of the mill: yes

        You often introduce us to your little thoughts! And then, in view of the acute lack of accurate facts that Grudinin is nothing more than a fiend of hell, your visionary fantasies will also play the role of conviction.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 February 2018 09: 21
          +7

          that Grudinin is nothing more than a fiend of hell, your visionary fantasies are also suitable for the role of conviction. [/ quote]
          I’ll say easier, he’s not who and calling him is not like winkAnd the information background was made to him no less than And about the facts, we’ve rubbed everything, again, maybe thirty-five?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 26 February 2018 10: 29
            +10
            Quote: you Vlad

            I’ll say easier, he’s not who and calling him is not like

            Why then do you pay so much attention to him, you? I have a strong feeling that you have an extreme intolerance that has grown into a phobia, from a condidate to the presidency of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which does not have any solid argument.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 26 February 2018 10: 41
              +5
              Quote: Stas157
              Why then do you pay so much attention to him, you?

              And I don’t like it when my country is watered with shit in order to push someone into the presidency.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 26
                +10
                Quote: You Vlad
                And I don’t like it when my country is shit being watered,

                Are you talking about the Olympics?

                or about those who justified all this?
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 26 February 2018 11: 34
                  +3
                  And I’m not talking about those and not about others! Their work is such .. To declare a boycott would be stupid, and those who still went with them with a civil position, so to speak, problems, but I do not blame them request
                2. Semen1972
                  Semen1972 26 February 2018 16: 55
                  +5
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Are you talking about the Olympics?
                  or about those who justified all this?

                  No need for corrupt deputies in any context to drag. They have nothing to do with the people. Parasitize on our troubles and fears.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 26 February 2018 17: 22
                    +5
                    Quote: Semen1972
                    They have nothing to do with the people. Parasitize on our troubles and fears.

                    you're not right! They pass laws by which people live. We live the way they want
                    1. Semen1972
                      Semen1972 27 February 2018 12: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      you're not right! They pass laws by which people live. We live the way they want

                      Not really, they would like you to work as a serf for their food.
                      No, not all deputies are corrupt, I specifically meant whose photo was presented. It makes me disgusted ... And not all laws are equally bad ... as it seems to me.
              2. free
                free 26 February 2018 11: 56
                +9
                Quote: you Vlad
                Quote: Stas157
                Why then do you pay so much attention to him, you?

                And I don’t like it when my country is watered with shit in order to push someone into the presidency.

                When did Grudinin water the country with slop?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 16
        +11
        Quote: You Vlad
        From Grudinin or what? lol Did you want to say this? Grudinin is the president, he will plant half the country and everywhere there will be the same kindergartens and schools for him

        Grudinin was given to you? And the past 18 years is a vacuum? Everything is improving, progress in everything - read the headlines in the newspapers and see "Time" or "Russia"! Soon we will fly to the stars. But it turns out simple, raising children
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 February 2018 11: 27
          +4
          Quote: Silvestr
          And the past 18 years is a vacuum? Everything is improving, progress in everything - read the headlines in the newspapers and see "Time" or "Russia"!

          But I don’t have to watch TV, I look around and see who lives and how!
          Quote: Silvestr
          Grudinin was given to you?

          Well, it’s not for me, but you look at their comments to them, from the beginning they’ll pour mud on the country, and then they will expose their icon! Now, look, it will save everyone! It's disgusting and I don’t like traitors!
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 26 February 2018 17: 15
            +4
            Quote: You Vlad
            I look around and see who lives and how!

            that's it! Who and how lives! The whole point is in these words. Nobody wants to live badly, but not everyone succeeds
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 26 February 2018 18: 39
              +2
              Quote: Silvestr
              Nobody wants to live badly, but not everyone succeeds

              They may want it, but not everyone has a desire to work! Those who work, they all live normally!
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 26 February 2018 22: 37
                +3
                Quote: You Vlad
                Who works, those all live normally!

                I hope you do not think so about medicine?
  5. Ayratelinsion
    Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 06: 59
    +16
    So, excuse me, but what actually revolted? What did the girls take pictures and fool around?
    You do not bend a stick? Someone shit on portraits? Threw ridges? Drew genitals on the walls? Or at least scribbled a note “Lysva 2018”? No.
    So what's up?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 February 2018 07: 11
      +15
      In respect to the memory of the fallen in this place people. Fallen in battle for the future of these kids.
      1. Ayratelinsion
        Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 07: 31
        +12
        Firstly, it’s not even a museum.
        Secondly, people perished everywhere, so is it possible at least somewhere not to be mournful, but to live and enjoy life?
        No need to make cults from places of death. How many people died in Leningrad? Is it possible to just live there? Rejoice and grimace?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 February 2018 07: 42
          +8
          Quote: Ayratelinsion
          Firstly, it’s not even a museum.
          Secondly, people perished everywhere, so is it possible at least somewhere not to be mournful, but to live and enjoy life?
          No need to make cults from places of death. How many people died in Leningrad? Is it possible to just live there? Rejoice and grimace?

          Small but.
          In Israel, after the attacks that led to the deaths of civilians, I was among the first to go for a walk on that street, to a neighboring institution, etc.
          This is for terrorists - you won’t get yours, you don’t care about us.
          But on the battery, where all the defenders were killed, it is inappropriate to do this, a museum or not.
          1. Ayratelinsion
            Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 07: 57
            +12
            As you say, I do not approve of their actions at all, but I see no reason for public censure. What they did was not to say what was good or appropriate. But it’s not at all bad or malicious. Ignorance, misunderstanding - yes, but this is a matter of upbringing, and not malicious intent.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 26 February 2018 08: 19
              +4
              Quote: Ayratelinsion
              As you say, I do not approve of their actions at all, but I see no reason for public censure. What they did was not to say what was good or appropriate. But it’s not at all bad or malicious. Ignorance, misunderstanding - yes, but this is a matter of upbringing, and not malicious intent.

              That's right, the issue of education. our parents are to blame for everything.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 26 February 2018 10: 02
          +4
          Quote: Ayratelinsion
          How many people died in Leningrad? Is it possible to just live there? Rejoice and grimace?

          Rejoice that you live - you can! But grimacing - no! You just need to remember those who gave their lives for yours!
          1. Ayratelinsion
            Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 10: 20
            +3
            I ask for a list of those who died in all conflicts, one way or another related to my current existence. And a list of places where these people died. As soon as this list is formed, I undertake to repent, tear off my clothes and sprinkle ashes on my head. Before that - stop your dull, pseudo-patriotic pumping. People perished everywhere and always and sometimes, indeed, in the name of future generations. But it is not necessary to turn each of these places into a place of sorrow and sorrow, otherwise we will have nowhere to smile.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 28
        +9
        Quote: Krasnodar
        In respect to the memory of the fallen in this place people. Fallen in battle for the future of these kids.

        The answer is simple. Have you taken your children and grandchildren to the graves of grandfathers, if any? I drove, and my daughter is vaccinated against trash. The granddaughter will grow up, I also bring it together. It all starts small and Krasnodar rights
      3. Semen1972
        Semen1972 26 February 2018 17: 00
        +3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        In respect to the memory of the fallen in this place people. Fallen in battle for the future of these kids.

        Offended by children playing in a children's camp in a public place is the top of cretinism.
        These children on holidays are the first to put on caps and arrange concerts. And not on the couch with a glass of vodka. I saw such "admirers" and moralizing. Any reason for them is to drink the main thing. And our children are excellent - this is a problem with adults, they turn the country into a city. And children are our flowers !!!
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      1. Ayratelinsion
        Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 07: 51
        +9
        Firstly, this is not a religious building.
        Secondly, tell me, is it worth it to drive off children from tanks? After all, this is a death machine, the memory of a feat?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 February 2018 08: 27
          +5
          Quote: Ayratelinsion
          Secondly, tell me, is it worth it to drive off children from tanks?

          Yes, these girls are essentially children, and these soldiers died so that these children could have fun and enjoy life! What they do hi It’s good that they even learn that how and why! Youth is a serene time repeat They didn’t write, but are they taking them there on excursions?
        2. alstr
          alstr 26 February 2018 10: 40
          0
          And by the way, they often died in them too.
    3. Moore
      Moore 26 February 2018 07: 42
      +11
      Quote: Ayratelinsion
      So, excuse me, but what actually revolted?

      Apparently, the separately taken natives of the Perm Territory are absolutely no different from other children of their generation.
      What, the authors do not know that the world (the whole world, not only Russia) is ruled by lack of spirituality? What ass Kardashian in any scenario will be more popular than the best films about the war? Correctly said above dear Krasnodar
      about parents engaged in the extraction of dough, which in turn must urgently be changed to all sorts of nishtyaki. And all this against the background of the fact that the school has become such an under-institute that has ceased to educate and provides only some kind of knowledge. To say that the state does not see a problem is wrong, I suppose. The same Yunarmia, films about the war (another week came out - "Frontier"), imprisoned for modern youth. But alas, the Golden Taurus and the most primitive instincts called "universal values" now rule everything.
      1. mkop
        mkop 26 February 2018 10: 16
        0
        About the "Frontier". Go read, draw conclusions about youth:
        https: //kanobu.ru/articles/retsenziya-nafilm-rubezh-37
        1633 /.
        1. Ayratelinsion
          Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 16: 42
          0
          I did not watch the film. Specifically, this actor - do not like it. The vast majority of modern domestic films that are military and comedic are a rare muck. The storyline recalls the already old "We Are From the Future" (by the way, a very mediocre film). The concept of a little man is not new, in Russian culture it has taken root well and I personally am impressed. This is perhaps the only moment with which in the review I can not completely agree. And what upset you about her?
          1. mkop
            mkop 27 February 2018 09: 03
            0
            I probably wrote a little incorrectly, I didn’t mean the review, but the comments under it. General mood in them. For many, war is just suitable stories for films, for many, war is Call Of Duty, for many, war is brave Americans and fascists from the PCA (yes, it is fascists from the PCA that it was in Call of Duty). A nation that does not remember and does not respect its history is a dead nation.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 38
        +1
        Quote: Moore
        the authors do not know that the world (the whole world, not only Russia) is ruled by lack of spirituality?

        right, but spirituality is peculiar
        of our life today
        Quote: Moore
        about parents engaged in the extraction of dough

        it’s necessary to live and want good. This is the norm.
        Quote: Moore
        But alas, the Golden Taurus now rules everything

        children do not want to live like their parents — the majority of the population, small children — live as their parents (when you don’t need to work and everything is already there)
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 26 February 2018 09: 27
      +9
      Quote: Ayratelinsion
      So, excuse me, but what actually revolted? What did the girls take pictures and fool around?
      You do not bend a stick? Someone shit on portraits? Threw ridges? Drew genitals on the walls? Or at least scribbled a note “Lysva 2018”? No.
      So what's up?

      Yes, the children didn’t even understand what happened, they just did entertainment, without any back thought. Here it is not the children, but the adults who are to blame, who should have been engaged in upbringing and clarification. About this, quite right, 210 oq.
    5. gm9019
      gm9019 26 February 2018 15: 07
      +5
      Quote: Ayratelinsion
      You do not bend a stick? Someone shit on portraits? Threw ridges? Drew genitals on the walls? Or at least scribbled a note “Lysva 2018”? No.

      In cemeteries, in memorial museums, is this what you personally do?
      Or is something still holding back? Stop flogging nonsense.
      About teachers: they only do what they are ordered to do (and check hard, by the way!). A step to the left / right - immediately a cart from parents to RONO, a call to the carpet, dismissal "of their own free will" or simply unbearable working conditions. Oh, how famously our administrators can create them! Such a vile lawlessness in school, as now, has never happened. angry
      1. Ayratelinsion
        Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 16: 46
        0
        I did not say anything about teachers.
        No, I’m very rarely photographed.
        This is not a cemetery, this is not a memorial, so the comparison is incorrect. You can compare it with an abandoned castle - they also fought and died there, but why not take a picture?
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 26 February 2018 07: 10
    +10
    The union fell apart because words and deeds did not coincide, the party leadership said one thing, and people saw that something else had to be done. Now the same thing is being told to us that we are united, but we see that even the courts pronounce different sentences, and now this is the most pronounced society is not just stratified, it is split. The children see this and for them there is nothing sacred if we have time for them in one, why should they believe in another? Why can a presidential candidate grimace before shrines, but they don’t?
    1. Hard Rock
      Hard Rock 26 February 2018 07: 21
      +4
      So do not lie to your children, and about the lies and truth explain.
    2. captain
      captain 26 February 2018 10: 40
      +1
      7
      Alex66 Today, 07: 10 New
      The union fell apart because words and deeds did not coincide, the party leadership said one thing, and people saw that something else had to be done.
      Correctly said.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 46
      +5
      Quote: Alex66
      The union fell apart because words and deeds did not coincide, the party leadership said one thing, and people saw that something else had to be done.

      when the children heard from their parents that their power was deceiving, when there were jokes about Brezhnev, the Communist Party.
      This happened when a negative attitude towards power formed in the minds of everyone.
      But the question! And now in a different way?
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 26 February 2018 07: 10
    +12
    Yes. Children sometimes drive in the 35th battery inappropriately. This is a disaster. But blaming the museum staff for this is ridiculous. I drove a ton of groups of children, adults. Employees work extremely correctly.
    ps Not the first "run over" on the "Chalovsky project" in the military. request
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 26 February 2018 08: 59
      +6
      I agree, Chaly suddenly became objectionable to something. Not the first run over him here.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 49
      +7
      Quote: samarin1969
      Yes. Children sometimes drive inappropriately on the 35th battery

      and the rink on Red Square and concerts?
      Quote: samarin1969
      Not the first "run over" to "Chalovsky
      project"

      for a long time and not only in VO.
      And without Chaly there would not be OUR Sevastopol! I am sure and thanks for that!
  8. cedar
    cedar 26 February 2018 07: 22
    +5
    Quote: Ayratelinsion
    So, excuse me, but what actually revolted? What did the girls take pictures and fool around?
    You do not bend a stick? Someone shit on portraits? Threw ridges? Drew genitals on the walls? Or at least scribbled a note “Lysva 2018”? No.
    So what's up?


    The fact is that normally well-educated people, figuratively speaking, do not grieve at the wedding, do not cry and do not rejoice, and at the funeral they do not dance and do not have fun. Because they are aware and understand where they are.
    I have one question. Who leads and leads Artek today?
    1. Ayratelinsion
      Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 08: 01
      +6
      The issue of education is for parents
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 February 2018 09: 29
        +2
        Quote: Ayratelinsion
        The issue of education is for parents

        the state has disowned education issues. School is a tool for gaining knowledge. Mostly not applicable. And even the advertising has an educational effect. The cult of consumerism. Money Priority. And where does it go? without a clear ideology?
        1. Ayratelinsion
          Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 10: 24
          +7
          Which suggests that parenting is the basis for the existence of a worthy person. Otherwise, the animal will grow.
    2. free
      free 26 February 2018 08: 29
      +3
      Quote: cedar
      Quote: Ayratelinsion
      So, excuse me, but what actually revolted? What did the girls take pictures and fool around?
      You do not bend a stick? Someone shit on portraits? Threw ridges? Drew genitals on the walls? Or at least scribbled a note “Lysva 2018”? No.
      So what's up?


      The fact is that normally well-educated people, figuratively speaking, do not grieve at the wedding, do not cry and do not rejoice, and at the funeral they do not dance and do not have fun. Because they are aware and understand where they are.
      I have one question. Who leads and leads Artek today?

      I have one question: who runs the state? Who controls the Minister of Education? Who is the guarantor?
      1. Ayratelinsion
        Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 08: 46
        +5
        Is the Minister of Education responsible for the upbringing, or are parents the same?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 26 February 2018 10: 09
          +2
          Quote: Ayratelinsion
          Is the Minister of Education responsible for the upbringing, or are parents the same?

          By the way, teachers (I don’t know how now, but with the "damned Soviet education" was) should have a triune goal for each lesson
          The triune goal of a lesson is the result pre-programmed by the teacher, which must be achieved by the teacher and students at the end of the lesson. The triune goal of the lesson is a complex composite goal, absorbing, as we already wrote, three aspects: cognitive, educational and developing.

          So the Minister of Education is very "at what." Another question - Does he set himself a triune goal?
          1. Ayratelinsion
            Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 10: 25
            +5
            And you again excluded parenting from the equation. Intentionally?
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          3. woron333444
            woron333444 1 March 2018 20: 28
            0
            And in Soviet times there were different teachers. You go to the lesson with pleasure and gain knowledge, while others just take time.
  9. g1v2
    g1v2 26 February 2018 07: 23
    +17
    It's a pity the cons were canceled. To some rotated people, just to get to something and raise the stench. It's disgusting.
    What are they - naked danced? Or did they throw ridges? Maybe engaged in vandalism? Why such a hysteria then? I think that the authors at their age did not do that. And now they don’t know what to complain about. NEXTLINE IS NOT THE BEHAVIOR OF THESE NORMAL STUPID GIRLS. DOPE IN THE HEADS OF AUTHORS. am
    1. Ayratelinsion
      Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 08: 00
      +7
      Not nonsense, but a misunderstanding that time is running out and the memory of the past is erased. And this is normal. Yes, and senile grumbling. I wonder which of them remembers and honors the monuments and events of the First World War?
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    3. Ural resident
      Ural resident 26 February 2018 09: 27
      +5
      Children behaved like children. I don’t understand the same thing, that they two by the hand walk, afraid of shouting? Or drive connected? I am sure that the information of the museum, in any case, was postponed in their minds for a long time.
      And so the museum does a great job, takes out the youth, introduces the feat of the Soviet Warriors. Who else will carry children? Authors from VO ?. And whoever worked with the children knows that they cannot be in a static state for a long time, especially since the trip is long and tiring. Children posted their photos on the net - this is an instant advertisement of a historical monument; others who have visited Crimea will also definitely go there. I did not understand the problem. Let them carry their own children who need it and keep it on a leash, they would remember their childhood if only.
  10. free
    free 26 February 2018 08: 25
    +5
    Thanks to the authors, a wonderful revealing article. Why is this so? In my opinion, because we (the people) no longer have a state, our people’s state doesn’t, the state should be cultivated to respect the fallen, to maintain culture and not to let people go, it used to be .And now the state itself purposefully kills education, culture and turns people into cattle. Here we see the cattle in the photo as a result of state destruction in our brains. The state is no longer ours, not popular. And as long as all rubbish goes on like this, the people will be powerless and poor.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 51
      +5
      Quote: free
      In my opinion, because we (the people) no longer have a state, there is no our nation state.

      quite right
      Quote: free
      And now the state itself purposefully kills education, culture and turns people into cattle. Here we see the cattle in the photo as a result of state destruction in the brains.

      and the question arises, why and for whom is such a state?
  11. Petr petrov
    Petr petrov 26 February 2018 08: 27
    +12
    Quote: you Vlad
    Quote: Petr petrov
    And everything else follows from this !!!!!

    From Grudinin or what? lol Did you want to say that? Grudinin’s president, he’ll put half the country and will have the same kindergartens and schools for him? But I have a different opinion, I think he’ll merge half the country yesAnd our communists will beat themselves in the chest again, but it’s not us, he himself came hi


    If you notice in power is not Grudinin !!!!
    And while the country is also not merged Grudinin !!!!
    Better state farm of Lenin than a cooperative lake !!!!
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 26 February 2018 08: 41
      +4
      Quote: Petr petrov
      If you notice in power is not Grudinin !!!!

      I noticed laughing Yes, it’s not so easy to become president, well, it’s very difficult! We must try, strive, earn, and most importantly, this is human potential wink
      Grudinin does not have this potential request You know, he can promise, he may even think so, but can he realize all his promises? if he will win the election ... Well, definitely not, they will eat him and not choke too small a fish in a large cooperative Lake yes A business can be done, but such that then a couple of smart presidents will not rake it.
      Quote: Petr petrov
      Better state farm of Lenin

      And not a state farm, why are you misleading the people? hi
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 February 2018 09: 24
        +1
        there is one collective farmer named Lukashenko. He understands the nature of money. And we are all looking for enemies
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 February 2018 09: 29
          +5
          Quote: aybolyt678
          there is one collective farmer named Lukashenko. He understands the nature of money.

          He can understand and understand, only he doesn’t have them yes
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 February 2018 09: 31
            +3
            Quote: You Vlad
            He can understand and understand, only he doesn’t have them yes

            But they have production .. The average level lives significantly better than in Russia.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 26 February 2018 09: 33
              +5
              Quote: aybolyt678
              But they have production .. The average level lives significantly better than in Russia.

              Do not No.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 February 2018 09: 55
                +4
                Quote: You Vlad
                Do not

                never heard the expression "money love silence" owned by VV To Putin.? as far as I understand the silence love disputed money of dubious origin. Real money that is the equivalent of labor like movement and work
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 26 February 2018 10: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  never heard the expression "money love silence" owned by VV To Putin.?

                  But not dead No.
                2. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 26 February 2018 10: 16
                  +3
                  Silence is: stability and confidence in the future of the state hi
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 59
                    +5
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    Silence is: stability and confidence in the future of the state

                    money loves silence when it is stolen and counted
                  2. Romey
                    Romey 26 February 2018 17: 33
                    +4
                    Brezhnev also had stability and confidence in the future ... Where did all this go after 9 years? Or was it Gorby and Yelkin who made it together? Although Brezhnev, compared with the current offshore aristocracy, is simply the pinnacle of competence. Current stability is nothing more than a harbinger of cemetery silence. Give the revolution from above, constitutionally, in an ordinary way, by choosing Grudinin, until the revolution comes from below!
                3. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 26 February 2018 18: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  never heard the expression "money love silence" owned by VV To Putin.?

                  GDP only quotes the first part of Dunning's famous dictum:
                  Capital ... avoids noise and abuse and is characterized by a fearful nature.

                  The problem is that there is a second part:
                  It is true, but that is not the whole truth. Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profit is available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10%, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, at 300% there is no crime that it would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will contribute to both. Evidence: smuggling and trafficking in slaves.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 27 February 2018 21: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    The problem is that there is a second part:

                    You see ... the problem is what is called Capital. In your example, this is the human factor in the economic system constructed by the same capital that does not limit itself. In our country, the power of these Capitals is limited by the appetites of larger foreign Toothy Throats. To protect against which the Army is being modernized ... But it is a bird with one wing. Without a state approach to the development of socialized Capital, everything will collapse in the country.
                  2. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 27 February 2018 22: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    GDP only quotes the first part of Dunning's famous dictum:

                    and you did not read the second part of my quote describing the properties of money:
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Real money that is the equivalent of labor like movement and work

                    your erudite substitution of the concept of Capital as value creating a new value, smoothly turned into greed
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 1 March 2018 22: 33
                0
                Quote: You Vlad
                No no

                all of Russia is littered with milk and cheese from Belarus - not an argument ???????
            2. woron333444
              woron333444 1 March 2018 20: 32
              0
              aybolyt678 Minsk lives and that's it. So here, Moscow lives better than Minsk.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 57
            +5
            Quote: You Vlad
            only he does not have them

            where is our money?
            Recently, an employee of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation admitted that health care reform is due to the lack of money in the treasury! Where are our taxes?
            Looking at these forms. somehow it’s thought that it doesn’t concern them

            and meanwhile
            1. free
              free 26 February 2018 19: 14
              +3
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: You Vlad
              only he does not have them

              where is our money?
              Recently, an employee of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation admitted that health care reform is due to the lack of money in the treasury! Where are our taxes?
              Looking at these forms. somehow it’s thought that it doesn’t concern them

              and meanwhile

              From hunger swell, not otherwise!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 26 February 2018 18: 11
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          there is one collective farmer named Lukashenko. He understands the nature of money.

          Amendment - he understands the nature of the money of the Russian Federation. smile
          To live like Belarus, you need to have a brotherly people, who always have something to do.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 53
        +9
        Quote: You Vlad
        You know, he can promise, he can even think so, but can he realize all his promises?

        well, we listened to promises for 18 years
  12. Petr petrov
    Petr petrov 26 February 2018 08: 28
    +2
    Quote: Ayratelinsion
    The issue of education is for parents

    Not only .
    1. Ayratelinsion
      Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 08: 48
      +1
      Oh yes, parents earn money, there is no time for them to deal with spin-gnaws, yes, yes ...
  13. Vard
    Vard 26 February 2018 08: 40
    +7
    In vain ... In vain canceled corporal punishment at school ... pour a little ... in the lower part ... if it does not reach through the upper ...
    1. Ayratelinsion
      Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 09: 41
      +1
      Not only at school. It is not a bad idea for starters to walk in the ass to think what they want and what children want
      1. free
        free 26 February 2018 12: 05
        +2
        Quote: Ayratelinsion
        Not only at school. It is not a bad idea for starters to walk in the ass to think what they want and what children want

        Good here to spread your vomit, troll!
        1. Ayratelinsion
          Ayratelinsion 26 February 2018 16: 49
          +1
          A person whose opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the crowd on this issue is a troll? Oh well. Go pull the Internet slang up if you want to use it and not be dishonored.
          1. free
            free 26 February 2018 19: 17
            +4
            Quote: Ayratelinsion
            A person whose opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the crowd on this issue is a troll? Oh well. Go pull the Internet slang up if you want to use it and not be dishonored.

            You don’t have to write nonsense, and you don’t need to provoke. And to have an opinion it would be nice to look around and take a closer look. Or do you seriously think you are smart and all the other fools?
            1. Ayratelinsion
              Ayratelinsion 27 February 2018 04: 54
              +2
              Nope. I am simply monstrously amazed at the once-interesting site, the lulling and the ability to see insult where it does not exist.
              “We can repeat” - please, only the people do not interfere in this. War is not worth repeating.
              Want to tighten everything and everything? First try on yourself how it will be for you. And it will not be sweet. Ready to tolerate - and your loved ones? Do fiercely condemning everything have answers to these questions? I'm not sure
              1. free
                free 27 February 2018 06: 45
                +3
                Quote: Ayratelinsion
                Nope. I am simply monstrously amazed at the once-interesting site, the lulling and the ability to see insult where it does not exist.
                “We can repeat” - please, only the people do not interfere in this. War is not worth repeating.
                Want to tighten everything and everything? First try on yourself how it will be for you. And it will not be sweet. Ready to tolerate - and your loved ones? Do fiercely condemning everything have answers to these questions? I'm not sure

                I see that you have already tried on yourself, and you are probably sad. There is a sin for the soul. But it’s not interesting why you read it, the tablecloth is expensive.
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 27 February 2018 08: 40
        +2
        Quote: Ayratelinsion
        Not only at school. It is not a bad idea for starters to walk in the ass to think what they want and what children want

        This will be very correct, and even some bloated conceit prevents them from living!
  14. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 26 February 2018 08: 42
    +9
    Nothing in general, the bad girls did not. Young just wind in my head. Well, for taking pictures, so what? In general, the comrade said correctly above, people perished everywhere. After World War II, half of the country is covered in blood and littered with bones. Why not live now?
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 February 2018 08: 47
    +13
    What is the power in the country. such and Artek. Or is Trump again (the State Department, the fifth column, etc.) to blame?
    1. Prjanik
      Prjanik 26 February 2018 09: 54
      +2
      No, Putin personally, write right away. Long live chocolate, pah, strawberry king laughing
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 26 February 2018 10: 04
        +6
        No, Putin personally, write right away.
        Did someone offend you?
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        2. Chichikov
          Chichikov 26 February 2018 14: 26
          +2
          Quote: Prjanik
          What is the power in the country. such and Artek.

          Are you trying to distance yourself from the actions of your children? For them, too, Putin is to blame!
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 26 February 2018 15: 41
            +7
            For them, too, Putin is to blame!
            An exclamation mark means you affirm. But I admit that you wanted to ask me about the responsibility of managers. So the regiment is responsible, for everything that is done in the regiment, the captain of the ship is responsible for the order on the ship.
            For some reason, it is generally accepted that Gorbachev destroyed the Union, although everyone knows that this was done by the fifth column. And the great Yeltsin brought us democracy, but the State Department constantly harmed us.
            By the way, the question for the supporters of irresponsible Putin, your idol, loves Yeltsin so much that he puts monuments to him or did the Obama put the Yeltsin Center?
            At all times, the head of state was responsible for everything. And only you love a person who is not responsible for anything.
            What about children? Not everything is in the power of parents, the government’s promotion of drug addiction, alcoholism, prostitution, not everyone can keep their children, if the main ideology, corruption of everything and everything.
            Is it true that your Putin is going to put Kudrin after the election as head of government?
            1. free
              free 26 February 2018 19: 19
              +5
              Quote: Gardamir
              For them, too, Putin is to blame!
              An exclamation mark means you affirm. But I admit that you wanted to ask me about the responsibility of managers. So the regiment is responsible, for everything that is done in the regiment, the captain of the ship is responsible for the order on the ship.
              For some reason, it is generally accepted that Gorbachev destroyed the Union, although everyone knows that this was done by the fifth column. And the great Yeltsin brought us democracy, but the State Department constantly harmed us.
              By the way, the question for the supporters of irresponsible Putin, your idol, loves Yeltsin so much that he puts monuments to him or did the Obama put the Yeltsin Center?
              At all times, the head of state was responsible for everything. And only you love a person who is not responsible for anything.
              What about children? Not everything is in the power of parents, the government’s promotion of drug addiction, alcoholism, prostitution, not everyone can keep their children, if the main ideology, corruption of everything and everything.
              Is it true that your Putin is going to put Kudrin after the election as head of government?

              It must be added that parents are also trying to limit their education, it is for this purpose that juvenile justice is introduced!
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  17. savage1976
    savage1976 26 February 2018 09: 17
    +12
    There is nothing particularly surprising. We have been convinced for 30 years that the most important thing in life is how much money you have. All the rest is unimportant. Here is the result. That is not at all surprised.
    1. free
      free 26 February 2018 19: 21
      +4
      Quote: savage1976
      There is nothing particularly surprising. We have been convinced for 30 years that the most important thing in life is how much money you have. All the rest is unimportant. Here is the result. That is not at all surprised.

      True, the question is who does this and for what purpose? As soon as you ask yourself this question, a lot will become clear!
  18. Yuri Guliy
    Yuri Guliy 26 February 2018 09: 17
    +5
    Artek's "someone's kids" from the mainland behave indecently, the Jewish photographer prints vile pictures, and they try to spit on the hero of the Russian Spring in Sevastopol Chaly. Just disgusted by this "publication"
    1. bedinvlad
      bedinvlad 26 February 2018 10: 50
      +6
      You might think that in Soviet times (if to ourselves personally, then in 1980-1989) we did not take pictures at the same memorable places. at monuments, etc. Yes, the legs did not raise, but not the fact that from the consciousness or awareness of the holiness of the place. Rather, for fear of getting a "stick". Now the children are practically not afraid of anything (personality rights, etc., try to punish, and even if you raise your voice, then everything caused psychological trauma).
  19. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 26 February 2018 09: 34
    +3
    OUCH INFLUENCE ... A distortion in the Kislelev style, a desire to see what is not there.
  20. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 26 February 2018 10: 50
    +3
    Our fault is that we cannot stop the change in values ​​in the heads of youth

    But we created these values ​​for them with our tacit consent, when everyone was bought at the root, replacing moral values ​​with material ones. Well, now we take a scoop and disentangle what we were so striving for by de-communizing everything and everyone!
    Very well, the results of youth education "in a new way" are shown in the films of K. Semin, such as:
    "Last call"
    "Last call 2"
    "Last call 3" - I especially recommend for viewing.
    Do not be lazy, spend your time at least watching it, and I hope it comes to what the current system of power and "stability" is. And whom does she prepare for herself with the approval of our indifference and tolerance for "diversity" ..
  21. Prometey
    Prometey 26 February 2018 10: 51
    +5
    No need to blame everything on school. Three skins are now being torn from ordinary teachers, including for upbringing. If someone wants to object, go to school. At school, children can nod their heads, read messages about war heroes, but on the street, they “tear off the roof”, especially among teenagers who are not able to always block their instincts. Yes, this behavior is unacceptable in this historical place. Then they will understand this, they must understand.
    I just didn’t understand what the museum workers were accused of? The fact that they did not kick their feet in place?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 February 2018 18: 14
      +5
      Quote: Prometey
      I just didn’t understand what the museum workers were accused of? The fact that they did not kick their feet in place?

      The fact that they did not stop. But they could. I’ve been to Sevastopol, they also took a tour there, well, the children just walked to the memorial place, they laugh, hustle, and one of the children threw a piece of ice cream from them. And an old man came up to them and said very quietly: "Guys! Every stone is poured with blood here! Pick up a piece of paper and never allow yourself such a thing in Sevastopol." And they raised it and brought it to the urn. And fell silent. The guides should also set up groups before the tour. Yes, and you can not pass indifferently. Since the state is "not able" to pay attention to education, only we ourselves must cope. A article +++++++++
  22. a housewife
    a housewife 26 February 2018 10: 55
    +4
    Do you think that now such impudent and without holy things children, parents, teachers? But no. Everything is simply removed and exposed on the network. And before, it just worked out like that.
  23. New Year day
    New Year day 26 February 2018 11: 01
    +6
    We already wrote that people from the 35th battery hold rock concerts on the necropolis, drape obelisks with black rags
    ---------------------------
    and how interesting the author will regard the concerts on Red Square, because there are not only the burial places of leaders, but also mass graves. How does the author look at the mausoleum drapery in parades?
    There is someone to take an example from! In Moscow, you need to show an example of respect, and then be smart about the rest.
  24. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 26 February 2018 11: 20
    +2
    The novel is a thrill-seeker and his article is biting, but unfortunately true. Yes, we are seeing signs of a degenerate and degrading nation! The aging process of an organism begins from birth, and rotting and decomposition accompanies to death. And if an individual does not engage in rehabilitation, prevention, self-cleaning, then his life is difficult and terrible — illnesses and various ailments will be his companions to the grave plaque! In the life of society, everything is the same. Ideology, of course, is important, but only as a motivator for actions of a certain orientation, for example, Y. Fuchek. But besides ideology, there are still certain traditions, moral principles, morality that the young generation is instilled in the whole world — family, school, university, production, and a passer-by uncle or aunt! All this was broken precisely in the USSR, and replaced precisely by an ideology that, for the most part, makes a crowd of people, from which individual personalities are sometimes singled out in the form of heroes, leaders and right-flanks, so that there is someone to level off. But those traditions that existed before 1917 were sent to the dustbin of history. Do you think that only the best, children of partocrats, etc., bosses of no-no went to the USSR in Artek? Yes at every turn! For all 10 years of study at school, I have never heard that anyone went there! And what was not worthy around? Yes, any number! But did not go. About Artek, we knew only from the "Pioneer Truth", and reports from the "News". And who was resting there all year round? Gold cast honors? But why didn’t they save their USSR later?
    And who remembers teenage gangs of organized crime groups tyap-blunder from Kazan? But in other parts of this was not? So Artek was a temptation for the elite!
    The decomposition process has been going on for a long time. It's just that he is now acquiring new forms that no longer fit in with normal morality. Contributes to this speed of dissemination of information, its exchange.
    At one time, the treachery of the partyocrats, led by Khrushchev, who led the country in general, it was not clear somewhere the "thaw", then the asylum with mass executions, pushed very strongly.
    And this is not about Putin, but that is his concern! And a serious smut of the future, that is on the way, rulers. If we don’t have the chance to return to the path of educating traditional moral values, we risk repeating the path of Rome, the Mayans and the Aztecs and other empires that have sunk into oblivion!
  25. Chichikov
    Chichikov 26 February 2018 11: 21
    +5
    As always! From the antics of two ear-flaps, they projected them on all young people, according to the authors, “the youth herd”. They were stirred for clarity and to give “juiciness” to other photographs that have nothing to do with “Artek” and issued this “masterpiece”. Shame and shame!
  26. Antares
    Antares 26 February 2018 11: 58
    +4
    It is foolish to scold children (especially minors), just as their society and parents have raised.
    We ourselves have invested in them everything that we see.
    But in justification, one can always say that each new generation in a different way evaluates the traditions of the old. But we require respect from our children for ours - if we ourselves are not an ideal of imitation and ourselves do not set an example. Yes, and society also has a TV and social networks.
    Children are like a sponge. But we create an environment of absorption (parents. Society. State, global culture).
  27. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 26 February 2018 12: 15
    +5
    Well, so that there is no doubt in what was said earlier, I will give an example with obscene language that sounds today at every step around, from every gateway and at every corner from the lips of young people who are eligible for grandchildren in age, but who do it without any hesitation! And if, with a fool, to make a comment, then at least you youngsters will defecate in Russian literature, but they can, consider that this is not enough, and add to the words threats of physical violence! But often there are attempts at such reprisals. And you say the student attacked the teacher for deuces!
    But the funniest and most nasty thing expects if you stay alive, and it comes to the police — the least that awaits is accusations of assaulting a minor, insulting him, and most of all, pedophilia! And fuck you wash off, or prove that you are not a camel! The vast majority of people know about it, and when faced with such cases, turn away and pass by! And it all starts small!
  28. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 26 February 2018 13: 15
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    Everything is improving, progress in everything - read the headlines in the newspapers and see "Time" or "Russia"! Soon we will fly to the stars

    Oh, these tales ... Oh, these storytellers!
    He reads the headlines ... the TV "Vremya" watches all the time ... the work is so ... for Engineers-Human-Souls.
    Still a lot, esho dchut-dchut and fly to Zvizd ...
    How is that? For the successes achieved in party political propaganda? This .. let me curiosity: to Pugacheva or to Kirkorov fly?
    "The most harmful of people
    This is a villain storyteller!
    For nothing that skillful ...
    Sorry, not tasty! "
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 26 February 2018 13: 32
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    And who of them knows about Julia Fucik ?!

    "Tili-vili! Tralee-vali! We didn’t go through it! They didn’t ask us! And in general, we read Solzhenitsyn! There! What is Fuchik? Do Volodya Dubinin remember in Artek?
    Until there is a clear ideology in the state, until this ideology is the basis of the life of ALL, UP TO NOW! there will be such phenomena, more and more often. And do not blame everything on teachers. what task they are set up will be taught and educated.

    yes good
  30. AleksandraKhotsevich
    AleksandraKhotsevich 26 February 2018 13: 43
    +5
    Authors, did you write this illiterate text not for likes and reposts? They did worse than these girls. And all for the sake of a pseudo-patriotic hype. Hip Hipu strife, you do not feel the line. No journalistic ethics. They published photos of minors without the consent of legal representatives, several times used insults in the text, categorical judgments, as rats went to pages, scanned, stole photos and posted on their resource for discussion. At the same time, they created the necessary patriotic subtext around the pictures and went to poison. It’s just disgusting from such human bestiality, concealed by supposedly good goals. Think first about your culture of behavior, and then judge others. Or at least give the heroes of their publications a response.
    Honestly, not ashamed of girls, but of you arbiters of fate and holy defenders of patriotism. For your illiterate approach, for giving you the word, for the fact that you absolutely irresponsibly reacted to your right to speak to a wide audience. For the fact that your audience has to read such a blatant slag, for the fact that you have given yourself the right to judge, poison and humiliate.
    1. free
      free 26 February 2018 19: 28
      +4
      Quote: AleksandraKhotsevich
      Authors, did you write this illiterate text not for likes and reposts? They did worse than these girls. And all for the sake of a pseudo-patriotic hype. Hip Hipu strife, you do not feel the line. No journalistic ethics. They published photos of minors without the consent of legal representatives, several times used insults in the text, categorical judgments, as rats went to pages, scanned, stole photos and posted on their resource for discussion. At the same time, they created the necessary patriotic subtext around the pictures and went to poison. It’s just disgusting from such human bestiality, concealed by supposedly good goals. Think first about your culture of behavior, and then judge others. Or at least give the heroes of their publications a response.
      Honestly, not ashamed of girls, but of you arbiters of fate and holy defenders of patriotism. For your illiterate approach, for giving you the word, for the fact that you absolutely irresponsibly reacted to your right to speak to a wide audience. For the fact that your audience has to read such a blatant slag, for the fact that you have given yourself the right to judge, poison and humiliate.

      And here they are!
  31. Altona
    Altona 26 February 2018 13: 54
    +3
    Quote: Artek
    Maybe it is necessary to bring to justice such teachers from Urengoy who teach dirty tricks on the graves and sympathize with the enemy? Well, who then prepares such teachers?

    --------------------------------
    From bringing someone to justice, there will be sense, but not much, and there will be a side effect in the form of "it's cool, because it's forbidden." It is necessary to inculcate in children some other culture instead of a selfieoid. What is not necessary constantly, to the place and out of place to be photographed, check in and monkey in places not intended for this. On the beach, in the disco, this is appropriate. And at memorials this is not worth doing. And by the way, museum complexes should regulate the shooting process, allowing photographs of permissible exhibits, but not of people against the backdrop of exhibits. There should be signs with the prohibition or restriction of photos and videos.
  32. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 26 February 2018 15: 12
    +1
    Quote: AleksandraKhotsevich
    Authors, and you are this illiterate text ...

    And then Ostap suffered ... Ostap - in the sense of Ostap Ibrahimovic Bender Bay ...
    And what could you not have imagined for the Authors! And what heaped up new-fangled "epithets" did not present to the respected reading public! Class! As advanced users put it - precedence.
    But the point in your bloody indignation is zero.
    Reality is in many ways really depressing. Here it is necessary to agree with the Author. If young people already at the Eternal Flame, in honor of the dead heroes, fry their kebabs ... then selfies with lifted legs in the memorials of Memory look like petty pranks for children.
    Indifferent people for a long time and unsuccessfully sound the alarm. The alarm of protests is rushing from all sides ... So what? NOTHING.
    The first power sets an example of a lack of conscience - everything is possible for them! No conscience! The first to pick up this paradigm are their noble children. What kind of conscience? For them, there are no laws. All this is carried from all sides of real life, the Internet and TV screens.
    Do you think boys and girls do not see this? Even as they see and imitate.
    What to do? Again moan and resent? There is no sense and will not be ... if ... If you do not completely change the power.
    Now theft and lawlessness whips over the edge. And these small and open souls of children absorb hypocrisy, hypocrisy, the indifference of their older comrades.
    The army had the slogan of the commanders - Do as I do! As the commander showed, so did the soldiers. Bad boss - and bad subordinates.
    But the “soldier” is not to blame for the fact that the main “commander” is a hypocrite, a talker and a thief. For many years, a complete disregard for morality in the country has flourished .... And we are surprised - what kind of kids we grow up are not conscious!
    What are we attached to children? The rulers of the country must be punished and put in a corner! In such a bearish corner, so that their spirit was not in the country.
    1. kunstkammer
      kunstkammer 26 February 2018 15: 35
      +1
      despite the efforts of thousands of pro-power propagandists, our children still feel the truth and are still not lost.
      You need to change the power of the bastard ... but for this, simply go to the polls and protect your children!
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 26 February 2018 15: 57
        +5
        And why is there a flash mob from Ukraine? with the same success, you can campaign and so!
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 26 February 2018 17: 24
          +6
          Quote: Chichikov
          And why is there a flash mob from Ukraine? with the same success, you can campaign and so!

          but we can

          or as
        2. Romey
          Romey 26 February 2018 17: 43
          +5
          Respected! So I look at your specialization in pouring slops on Grudinin and don’t quite understand the logic ... It seems that the avatar of the late New Russia is on the avatar, and at the same time it’s hard to explain love for Putin, who pushes you back and hands to Ukraine in exchange for at least temporary recognition status quo in the Crimea. Are you so pinned by shelling and continuous Minsking with the risk of the implementation of the Croatian option? Are you kidding me to live with an incomprehensible piece of paper instead of a passport? Grudinin at least promises to recognize LDNR and hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, and Putin already told you everything he wanted ... Although if you were from Surkov’s “curators”, that would explain a lot ...
        3. free
          free 26 February 2018 19: 30
          +5
          Quote: Chichikov
          And why is there a flash mob from Ukraine? with the same success, you can campaign and so!

          You are all about wealth, only these are your dreams. Our dreams of justice, do you smell?
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 February 2018 21: 03
          +1
          They say strawberries earned billions - 10 years, 50000 tons and will.
  33. ibirus
    ibirus 26 February 2018 15: 25
    0
    The behavior of such mankurts was always indifferent (I can’t call Gibbons, because this is a normal monkey like that). If a person (teenager) is not able to develop a system of what is good (acceptable) and what is not, then this is his problem. I must say right away that we do not consider these to be the problem of society.
  34. Niknami
    Niknami 26 February 2018 15: 26
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    My son was in Artek for two years. He talked about which children go there at the base of their own. Travel packages are bought, and for a lot of money. It is clear that Artek needs to be built and developed, but how much can everyone rest against paid trips? Who can they buy? It's amazing that I received it for achievements among the few. And everything else ... THIS IS NOT CHILDREN ANCHORED IN A HEROIC PLACE .... THIS IS EDUCATION OUR ... THIS EDUCATION IS OUR AND OUR AUTHORITY THROWS THERE ...

    Let me disagree with you! My daughter came from Artek a week ago. The ticket was received free of charge for their achievements in sports, like the rest of the children. Commercial vouchers make up only 5% of the total number of places in the camp, you can also get them with any achievements, but in your opinion, who can allow them to buy byd. .lo ??? Regarding selfies, yes, it is fashionable among young people, you don’t need to be so categorical, each group is accompanied by a guide on a tour, he must explain the rules of behavior when visiting memorials before the tour starts.
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 26 February 2018 15: 36
    +2
    the imposition of Western values, the collapse of school education - this is the result ...
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 26 February 2018 15: 43
    +5
    I was the editor of a school newspaper in grades 7-8. One day I urgently needed to issue a number. I was removed from classes and I was making a newspaper in the director’s office, in her presence. And at this time one of the parents came into the office, I knew her, she worked somewhere in the trade, was friends a little with her son, a year younger than me. She didn’t really hide, handed the director some sort of voluminous bundle and asked her on occasion not to forget about the ticket to Artek for her son. The director thanked very much and almost vowed to provide a ticket. USSR, late 60s. Now, given the level of corruption, everything is probably much worse.
  37. Cadet
    Cadet 26 February 2018 16: 20
    +3
    as parents and relatives raised the way children behave, or bulk and Ksenia runs all educates.
  38. shuravi
    shuravi 26 February 2018 17: 00
    +12
    You can rattle about patriotism as much as you like, but Mara Baghdasaryan will damn everything with another dashing race.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 February 2018 21: 17
      +1
      The best law against these car ouchers is firing at a car and a carrier.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 27 February 2018 20: 38
        0
        Yeah, schaz. Shooting for children and property of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. Do you believe that yourself?
  39. faiver
    faiver 26 February 2018 17: 15
    +2
    I do not understand the authors, what claims to children? you yourself are to blame for the fact that you have lost several generations, stand on the porch of any school during the day and you will find out all the interests and level of education of today's youth
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 26 February 2018 18: 40
      +7
      At school, it's time to put things in order. high costs will not be required to stop leapfrogs with textbooks. . "teams of authors." with workbooks of 400 rubles. with the study of English by the method of "singing" from the first class. when a child still hardly writes in Russian. and why is he memorizing Sunday. manda and such stupidities more than enough. Of course you can blame the parents. but if the textbook claims that the battle of El Alamein had a greater impact than the battle of Kursk. then it’s necessary to correct in the Ministry of Education
      1. faiver
        faiver 26 February 2018 18: 51
        +2
        then it’s necessary to correct in the Ministry of Education
        - it’s not necessary to correct it, but to demolish it ...
      2. free
        free 26 February 2018 19: 38
        +5
        Quote: Cossack 471
        At school, it's time to put things in order. high costs will not be required to stop leapfrogs with textbooks. . "teams of authors." with workbooks of 400 rubles. with the study of English by the method of "singing" from the first class. when a child still hardly writes in Russian. and why is he memorizing Sunday. manda and such stupidities more than enough. Of course you can blame the parents. but if the textbook claims that the battle of El Alamein had a greater impact than the battle of Kursk. then it’s necessary to correct in the Ministry of Education

        It is true, but the state made a mess in the school and it will not let you clean up. And is there only a mess in the school? What is the state? Who controls it? What is the interest of these managers?
  40. grafin
    grafin 26 February 2018 20: 44
    +2
    Children are gaining basic principles from their parents ... but what to take from many ???
    And life examples - by the way, in the Pskov region, the Dnovsky district during the occupation had two concentration camps - our prisoners died and their bodies were thrown into ditches in two places. so until now there are about 46000 people lying there ... in 1995, a small home-made monument was erected in one place, and another place goes under the city cemetery, documents for the burial were not properly executed .. and that's all right. But the Germans are buried in the region - the authorities took the area and they were taken there - a beautiful place, a beautiful cemetery ... it is not clear who won.
  41. Awaz
    Awaz 26 February 2018 21: 30
    +4
    You, I think, guys do not quite understand everything. We are with our children, different generations already. For them, the Second World War is very, very far, about the same as for us the Napoleonic war or the same war of 812, which we already associate with Lieutenant Rzhevsky more. Remember yourself in your childhood. Also fooling around on excursions, bad questions asked tour guides and so on.
    yes, it is necessary to respect the past and children need to be vaccinated, but not with dull, moldy lectures from which they are drawn to sleep. The benefits of this minuscule, rather, on the contrary, cause irritation and alienation. Therefore, this is such a reaction.
    We need to change approaches and do it first of all, we ourselves must and not blame the children for disrespect. I don’t know what and how to do it, but it’s definitely not how it is done ..
  42. Mih1974
    Mih1974 27 February 2018 02: 23
    +3
    This is NOT Artek's problem, it is the problem of ALL of Russia. Unfortunately, in the first place, there is still no national idea as such, and secondly, the wildest revelry of “libertality,” which, under “Grandfather Stalin,” was generally equated with the “enemy of the people,” which they really are. What far to go, look at what’s going on in the EBN Center, and after that you want the “weak in the brain” young people to be patriots and morally correct. And look HOW from the same zombies, it is not condemned, but rather propagated - sekas (often a minor), drugs, cruelty to animals, cruelty to people. I mean all sorts of "shows" that deal with egregious cases, but at the same time they are more propagandizing as Permitted (well, how do you do the same abomination and you get on TV) !! Classic Overton windows - the “illegal” mark is constantly shifting.
    We would like that SUCH not to be - we start with ourselves and “convey” our thought to the Rulers of Russia that SUCH should be condemned and receive an unambiguous assessment as unacceptable at the state level !!
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    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 27 February 2018 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: Mih1974
      Unfortunately, still in the first there is no national idea as such, and in the second - the wildest revelry of "liberality"

      All people live on the same idea. This is the well-being of your family. Do you need any special idea?
      A "liberalism" than you did not please? Can you compare the standard of living of Russia with our other neighbors? Please write what exactly you would change, after which Russia would be much better off living with a salary of 200 mp each, and we will immediately begin to make the best trains, planes and cars in the world. What exactly does Putin need to change?
  43. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 27 February 2018 09: 36
    0
    In Artek, as before, the children of those “whose need” get in !!! Future Mary Baghdasaryan ... Why are we surprised? February 23, one of the central television channels broadcast Rimbaud 2 and 3 !!!! Action-packed action movies about the fight against universal evil ?! And the name of the new film "Viking" does not raise any questions or is there still people who can separate the Vikings from the Vikings ?! Tell me, is this also Navalny and Ksenia all set up ?! I am not for them, but trying to "heroize the Guarantor of stability" (whose only) they stopped thinking and looking around ....
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 27 February 2018 09: 50
      +2
      Quote: Maverick1812
      In Artek, as before, the children of those “whose need” get in !!!

      You are not at all in the subject. "Whose is needed" in England and the USA for a long time. You can just buy a ticket to Artek. ANYONE.
      Quote: Maverick1812
      Why are we surprised? February 23, one of the central television channels broadcast Rimbaud 2 and 3 !!!!

      And fights in talk shows, constant insult, incitement to hatred, lies and stupidity - ours, dear - you are less embarrassed by Rambo (an excellent film (first part), by the way)
      But the guarantor has nothing to do with it. People like it. View ratings. The people do not want change. He likes everything that happens. March 18th, you will see it. PEOPLE WANT. so that everything was as before. No change request.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 27 February 2018 10: 33
        +1
        Quote: Semen1972
        You can just buy a ticket to Artek. ANYONE.

        Do you think that the price of 58100 rubles for 20 days is available to any family?
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 2 March 2018 14: 37
          0
          Yes, quite affordable price. I’m sending the child to Shparo camp, it’s hiking. For 21 days. The price is the same, if not more. The child is thrilled.
          But is it in the country that got up from the knees 1000 dollars a year for a child’s vacation is space ????
  44. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 27 February 2018 12: 43
    0
    Just read this one here: https: //topwar.ru/114654-tanyushkiny-rukavicy
    .html # comment-id-7942035. Sent to son. I try to educate him with a sense of pride in the past and gratitude to his ancestors. I tell the real stories of his grandfather about the war, and about our place in the modern world. I hope that I can instill Our ideals and values. But we have free access to the liberal press and “democratic values”. Without the active support of the state in the field of censorship, we cannot cope. We don’t say, prohibit everything, but restrict access to explicit misinformation and false values ​​on the World Wide Web. Eradicate video and photo material with cruelty and perversion. Young people are growing on popularity values ​​in networks, and no matter how it is achieved. From Orgies in the museum to dances in casemates. Shame on us, we exchange honor and conscience for a virtual sign - "good"
  45. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 February 2018 13: 05
    +1
    Artek and Orlyonok for this and are doing-the upbringing of youth ... A ticket to Orlyonok for a shift last year cost from 70000 rubles. This is still with some sort of discounts (from and to the airport). The children were very pleased.
    It is appropriate to recall the contingent in Bordel .... can change workers and educators?
  46. Niknami
    Niknami 28 February 2018 09: 30
    0
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    The Artekites are to blame for everything, not our upbringing!
  47. AleBors
    AleBors 28 February 2018 14: 27
    +2
    Actually one of the episodes of the result of public policy. Unprincipled children of unprincipled parents. What respect for the memory of the fallen for the opportunity to live, if it’s normal to go not international competitions without a flag, anthem and symbolism? Approval at the highest level ... And a movie? What about TV? And the cult of consumption?
    So we get what we sowed ... Or else it will be ...
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 28 February 2018 15: 21
      +1
      Why government? So there was a series of films about sports - didn’t you watch? And the people fells. But films - about false heroes, modern sport - is a show business, which earn a lot of money - already in the cinema. Many daddies stare at sports shows on TV - there wouldn’t be a game of volleyball. You don’t have to blame everything on the authorities, we are also involved, although I am not a fan.
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 28 February 2018 17: 15
        +1
        I agree completely. But ... I do not consider myself guilty of this. I don’t watch films, I’m not a fan. My children also watch those films that I think are right and necessary. And this, alas, is not a modern cinema. I conduct military-patriotic activities with children who are interested (and their parents) to the best of their abilities, abilities and capabilities.
        And everything that is happening around it is commissioned by some and the tacit consent of others. And the responsibility is on the authorities. And the population is pawns and consumers.
  48. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 March 2018 12: 07
    +1
    "Artek" for the people ended in the "era of perestroika", now the children of the rich are resting there. In Russia, the wealth belongs to the rich, and their children are sheer squalor and a new “fifth column”.