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Italian bank expressed willingness to participate in the "Nord Stream"

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The Italian bank Intesa (part of the Intesa Sanpaolo group) is ready to take part in the financing of the Nord Stream 2 project, but only if the sanctions do not interfere, does RIA News statement of the chairman of the board of directors of the bank Antonio Fallico.




We are waiting for the decision of the European Commission on this issue. While it is for various reasons not accepted. If the decision is positive, I mean the non-proliferation of sanctions on this project, Intesa Sanpaolo is ready to participate in it. If the decision is negative, but we hope that this does not happen, then the bank will not be able to figure in the project, like many other potential participants,
said Fallico to the agency.

According to him, clarity on this issue should appear in the near future.

In any case, after the presidential elections in Russia, this should become clear,
added the head of the institution.

Naturally, we can only finance those business segments that are not subject to sanctions. I very much hope that the heads of Germany and France have already understood that such restrictions are directed not only against the Russian Federation, but also against Europe. If "North Stream-2" is blocked by US sanctions, the EU economy will suffer heavy losses,
he noted.

Recall, the project "Nord Stream-2" involves the construction of two gas lines with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year from the coast of the Russian Federation through the Baltic Sea to Germany.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 25 February 2018 12: 02
    +6
    Whether the economy will overcome politics ... according to all the canons of capitalism must overcome. what
    Italian capitalists must sell WASHINGTON with giblets for 300 percent profit despite sanctions.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 February 2018 12: 08
      +6
      Quote: The same Lech
      Whether the economy will overcome politics ... according to all the canons of capitalism must overcome. what
      Italian capitalists must sell WASHINGTON with giblets for 300 percent profit despite sanctions.

      Theoretically, yes, the economy should overcome .. but the practice of recent years shows that no, politics is still in the foreground ..
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 25 February 2018 12: 31
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        about the practice of recent years shows that no, politics is still in the foreground ..

        Exactly ! Sanctions, sanctions, friendship, friendship .. And now we are identifying these! And then it's too late to get gentlemen in line to the Kremlin!
        Russia is a very promising country ... Welcome, to be honest! hi
        1. Shura Sailors
          Shura Sailors 25 February 2018 13: 20
          +4
          Well, then Poland and Ukraine will be cursed by Italy (and Ukraine will also accept sanctions against Italian business) wassat
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 25 February 2018 12: 24
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Will the economy overcome politics ... according to all the canons of capitalism must overcome

      Will the European economy beat the American economy + politics ... Hardly ... INTESA has long entered the Eastern European markets for a high profit margin. ... But, "if the cowboy orders, ..." And then Italy can remind her of her budgetary debts.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 25 February 2018 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: samarin1969
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Will the economy overcome politics ... according to all the canons of capitalism must overcome

        Will the European economy beat the American economy + politics ... Hardly ... INTESA has long entered the Eastern European markets for a high profit margin. ... But, "if the cowboy orders, ..." And then Italy can remind her of her budgetary debts.

        Well, yes, the root of evil is in the cowboy ... The story with Deutsche Bank, Volkswagen, showed how cowboys can drive Europe into a stall .. And the market in America is much more attractive than ours ..
        1. samarin1969
          samarin1969 25 February 2018 13: 14
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          Well, yes, the root of evil is in the cowboy ... The story with Deutsche Bank, Volkswagen, showed how cowboys can drive Europe into a stall .. And the market in America is much more attractive than ours ..

          Yes, you're right, the United States is bending many ... Samsung barely survived the fines ... But in the Russian market for speculators, 7-8% of profit is very tempting, and much is allowed according to the "gray schemes". So, the fight for the Russian market and its resources is going well. Trump and Mnuchin will knock out humility from the Russian Federation. I think "we" only at the beginning of the confrontation or ..... surrender.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 25 February 2018 13: 22
            +4
            Quote: samarin1969
            Quote: Svarog
            Well, yes, the root of evil is in the cowboy ... The story with Deutsche Bank, Volkswagen, showed how cowboys can drive Europe into a stall .. And the market in America is much more attractive than ours ..

            Yes, you're right, the United States is bending many ... Samsung barely survived the fines ... But in the Russian market for speculators, 7-8% of profit is very tempting, and much is allowed according to the "gray schemes". So, the fight for the Russian market and its resources is going well. Trump and Mnuchin will knock out humility from the Russian Federation. I think "we" only at the beginning of the confrontation or ..... surrender.

            It is not possible to defeat a sharpie .. This is my opinion regarding the Russian economy, we play by the rules that are written by a sharpie and that means as soon as we have sat down at the table we have lost. I am convinced that Russia should have its own path of development, both political and economic. I believe that only under socialism we have a chance, and I also believe that the "public heritage", which is not such now, should be nationalized. In general, what the Communist Party promises fully agrees with my vision. If we return to the USSR and imagine that the USSR stopped feeding half the world, cut back on army spending (they were still too bloated), and allowed small and medium-sized businesses, then we would live better than any other country in the world.
            1. samarin1969
              samarin1969 25 February 2018 13: 30
              +3
              Quote: Svarog
              I am convinced that Russia should have its own path of development, both political and economic. I believe that only under socialism we have a chance, and I also believe that "the public heritage

              "Socialism" is not enough ... and your "nickname" alludes to this .... And for the rest you say absolutely right things, in the spirit of modern Chinese comrades. good
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 25 February 2018 13: 41
                +3
                Quote: samarin1969
                Quote: Svarog
                I am convinced that Russia should have its own path of development, both political and economic. I believe that only under socialism we have a chance, and I also believe that "the public heritage

                "Socialism" is not enough ... and your "nickname" alludes to this .... And for the rest you say absolutely right things, in the spirit of modern Chinese comrades. good

                My nickname, this is my hobby, I am engaged in casting, in general a beginner is a jeweler)) But Svarog patronizes this business .. And what about socialism, then the Chinese model will definitely not suit us .. What does socialism mean little?
    3. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 25 February 2018 21: 56
      +1
      Italian capitalists must sell WASHINGTON with giblets for 300 percent profit despite sanctions

      That's right. They will find workarounds and, as I understand it, have already found it. The whole question is which financing scheme to use.
  2. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 12: 04
    +6
    and what do they hope for after the presidential election in Russia ... will Sobchak or Grudinin change the policy of the Russian Federation? naive children of roman antique ruins
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 February 2018 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
      and what do they hope for after the presidential election in Russia ... will Sobchak or Grudinin change the policy of the Russian Federation? naive children of roman antique ruins

      If Grudinin comes, they will suffer .. If Sobchak comes, they will be happy, if Putin remains, they will quietly rejoice ..
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 12: 14
        +5
        why are they from the sternum will suffer then? naive who believe that sternum can break the system
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 25 February 2018 12: 18
          +3
          Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
          why are they from the sternum will suffer then? naive who believe that sternum can break the system

          They broke it in 1917, why isn’t it possible now? Grudinin is not alone ... With him the Communist Party and the people.
          1. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 12: 45
            +2
            everyone will be able to promise before the election ... especially commies with Zyuganov and the pseudo-communist breastin, to get to the trough ... and you don’t have to tell a fairy tale about the honesty and integrity of the Communist Party and its joy for the people
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 25 February 2018 12: 54
              +4
              Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
              everyone will be able to promise before the election ... especially commies with Zyuganov and the pseudo-communist breastin, to get to the trough ... and you don’t have to tell a fairy tale about the honesty and integrity of the Communist Party and its joy for the people

              And here are the promises .. Putin made promises, May decrees, etc. .. Now the truth has ceased to promise and even before the election he doesn’t want to tell what he’s going to do, what plan)) Relaxed ... But Grudinin has a program where everything is justified, every step. 20 Steps - Read ..
              1. Astoria
                Astoria 25 February 2018 15: 16
                +3
                Read. I like Grudin, I can’t say a good entrepreneur / or not really for this you need to see reports that are not publicly available.
                As for the program, this is cheap demagogy: all at once. And don’t think that I don’t like what is written there. But all at once - this is fantastic, and most importantly, many things contradict each other.

                For example, paragraph 19.
                We will return the right to referenda on the most important issues to the people. Parliament will not be an obedient puncher of laws drafted from above, but an assembly of people's representatives. His competence will be expanded. The president will be controlled and accountable to the people and parliament.
                - only there is a small problem that the Communists over the past 25 years have not only not reanimated after the collapse of the union, but also worsened their reputation even more.

                To guarantee the country's defense and security, a high scientific and technical level of the defense industry. The combat readiness of the Armed Forces, the prestige of military service and law enforcement agencies will substantially increase.
                - What is it like ? Like renaming the police to the police? Or have not yet come up with?

                Or - We guarantee the free and quality of secondary and higher education and medical services. We will return the annual free medical examination. We will set the standards for financing science, education and healthcare - at least 7% of GDP for each industry. 7 * 3 = 21% * 1283 bln. usd. (according to WB 2016) = 269.43 * 65 rur / usd = 17512 billion rubles, and this is more than the budget of the Russian Federation for the year. Or do you divide this amount by a new number of years? Or how, or these are just kind words of wishes.

                . Restoration of guarantees for labor and an 8-hour working day, providing people with work and a decent salary. The minimum wage will be 25000-30000 rubles. A labor man will earn a decent living, have a decent rest and restore his strength - At Oval 25-30, here 25-30, where all these numbers come from.

                Questions can be asked for each item, and the answers to them will not be in favor of the Communists.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 25 February 2018 15: 30
                  +2
                  [quote = Astoria] - there is only a small problem that the Communists over the past 25 years have not only not reanimated after the collapse of the union, but also worsened their reputation even more. [/ quote]
                  Everything is changing and the Communist Party too .. There are more likely socialists than communists.

                  [quote = Astoria] whether - We guarantee the free and quality of secondary and higher education and medical services. We will return the annual free medical examination. We will set the standards for financing science, education and healthcare - at least 7% of GDP for each industry. 7 * 3 = 21% * 1283 bln. usd. (according to WB 2016) = 269.43 * 65 rur / usd = 17512 billion rubles, and this is more than the budget of the Russian Federation for the year. Or do you divide this amount by a new number of years? Or how, or these are just kind words of wishes. [/ Quote
                  Your question is rather about where the money will come from? Only the nationalization of alcohol will give 8 trillion. add. budget revenue. And also oil, gas and other natural resources ..
                  In general, everything is simple, the USSR successfully existed for more than 70 years, at the same time, it survived the most destructive war in the history of man and not only survived, but after 17 years became the first space power. The USSR contained a huge army and fed the floor of the world, you did not ask yourself the question, how did it work out? Now imagine that we the USSR would not feed half the world, cut down the costs of maintaining the army (our army was too huge), and allowed the population to engage in small and medium-sized enterprises. Agree, it would be a completely different country! So now, there is every chance to correct those mistakes that were in the USSR and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and offers to do this.
                  1. Astoria
                    Astoria 25 February 2018 15: 48
                    +1
                    Your question is rather about where the money will come from? Only the nationalization of alcohol will give 8 trillion. add. budget revenue. And also oil, gas and other natural resources ..

                    Leave the USSR alone, this will not be a valid discussion, since I also found the USSR, I saw store shelves, I saw the absence of simple goods, simple hygiene products and everyday life, and I do not need a country with the best tanks, but the only laundry soap available for purchase and wooden toilet paper.

                    Only the nationalization of alcohol will give 8 trillion. add. budget revenue. - Where did you get this figure, what calculations is it provided for?
                    [Quote]
                    [quote] Your question is more likely about where the money will come from? [/ Quote] - this is not a problem - money can be borrowed or taken away. The problem is different - how to make money using this money. A simple example that has been cited more than once - the Republic of Belarus - tens of billions of dollars earned from Russian oil + employed from Russia and China have been invested in industry and agriculture. Currently, based on the cost of paying debts, the Republic of Belarus spends more than a year on the army, health and education, while industry / agriculture in fact remains unprofitable - although it seems to be in the state. ownership - but it is inefficient, where there is a guarantee that we will not get the same result.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 February 2018 16: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: Astoria
                      this will not be a valid discussion, since I also found the USSR, I saw store shelves, I saw the absence of the simplest goods, the simplest hygiene and household products, and I do not need a country with the best tanks, but the only way to buy laundry soap and wooden toilet paper.

                      So I’m telling you that if the budget for the army was reduced in the USSR and made it possible to develop small and medium-sized businesses, then the store shelves would be full.
                      Quote: Astoria
                      A simple example that has been cited more than once - the Republic of Belarus - tens of billions of dollars earned from Russian oil + employed from Russia and China have been invested in industry and agriculture.

                      What kind of comparison does Belarusians have, that there is oil, gas, gold, rare metals, maybe it is washed by the oceans .. You surprise me winked
                      Just one example, if you have oil, then you have a huge competitive advantage in agriculture, and not only .. Your final product will be significantly cheaper than that of someone who does not have this oil .. It’s also possible about gas, the forest and everything else ..
                      1. Astoria
                        Astoria 25 February 2018 20: 05
                        0
                        1) But I am surprised by your naivety / unwillingness to understand - that the problem is not in the reel, if ******* sits in the cockpit. In order to be a highly developed country, the availability of cheap resources is desirable, but not a prerequisite, I think that you do not need to give examples, you yourself know them.

                        Oil does not solve the problem by itself; I think that you yourself know very well that in the cost of fuel in Russia taxes and fees are 65%.

                        2) I do not want to offend you, but you are a utopian, the State Planning Commission was sincerely not interested in the softness of toilet paper, the presence of women's pads and tampons, plastic bags, as well as millions of other items. Do you really think that medium and small businesses will be able to invest hundreds of billions in development?

                        People have needs, they want to eat, have fun, relax, get dressed, use their own vehicles and a great many other things that the state cannot answer for - otherwise you have very limited choice, we have already gone through this - this is a dead end.

                        3) The example of the Republic of Belarus is indicative of the fact that having kept the economy in state ownership - they did not learn how to manage it having the Russian market for sale at hand, the GDP of RB + - $ 50 billion: in oil refining, agriculture, engineering, cement and woodworking industries about $ 20 billion was invested (40% of GDP) and they are still largely unprofitable.
                        You are not surprised why, given the presence of the Russian market and state property, the economy of the Republic of Belarus is unprofitable. Think about why state property management in Belarus is not effective even with a lower level of corruption than in Russia.

                        Personally, my position is that if you go to the polls, you need to take a feasible minimum as a basis, First of all, it is the rule of law, an independent judiciary. If this does not work, talking about everything else does not make sense, since the efficiency, due to the opacity and the corruption component, nullifies all efforts.
                    2. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 February 2018 20: 35
                      +3
                      1) But I am surprised by your naivety / unwillingness to understand - that the problem is not in the reel, if ******* sits in the cockpit. In order to be a highly developed country, the availability of cheap resources is desirable, but not a prerequisite, I think that you do not need to give examples, you yourself know them.[/ I]
                      I agree, but the availability of resources is a huge competitive advantage. It’s just that money should not be invested in the American economy, but in your own. And for this, the state must determine the key development sectors, based on 1) State security (food, pharma, software, etc.)
                      2) Export potential or, more simply put, sectors where we can be competitive. Gosplan is needed here and no where else.
                      Having determined the key moments of development, it is necessary to invest money from the sale of resources here, and not to take offshore and buy up American debt securities ..
                      n [i] I don’t want to offend you, but you are a utopian, the State Planning Commission was sincerely not interested in the softness of toilet paper, the presence of women's pads and tampons, plastic bags, and also millions of other items. Do you really think that medium and small businesses will be able to invest hundreds of billions in development?

                      I have already said more than once, here we need a small and medium-sized business that is ready to develop with us, give only a loan with a reasonable interest rate. To make soft pads, RFPs and other consumer goods, you do not need billions of investments in development .. this is guaranteed .. if interested, I’m ready to tell you what and how to do it .. here I am a specialist))
                      People have needs, they want to eat, have fun, relax, get dressed, use their own vehicles and a great many other things that the state cannot answer for - otherwise you have very limited choice, we have already gone through this - this is a dead end.

                      But did I say somewhere that the state should be responsible for the above? Or the Communist Party is written? You see, you don’t understand and don’t see the difference between what happened during the USSR and what the Communist Party offers now .. Well, read the 20 steps. It does not take much time.

                      LeeWell, my position is that if you go to the polls, you need to take a feasible minimum as a basis, primarily the rule of law, an independent judiciary. If this does not work, talking about everything else does not make sense, since the efficiency, due to the opacity and the corruption component, nullifies all efforts.

                      I agree .. this is a very big problem.
                      1. Astoria
                        Astoria 25 February 2018 21: 21
                        0
                        1)
                        I agree, but the availability of resources is a huge competitive advantage. It’s just that money should not be invested in the American economy, but in your own. And for this, the state must determine the key development sectors, based on 1) State security (food, pharma, software, etc.)


                        A) 100 billion dollars with copecks invested in the US government securities - they don’t do the weather, you can argue that this is a lot of money, yes it is, but not on the scale of the problems facing the Russian Federation. - So the needs assessment for the infrastructure of the Russian Federation is about 1 trillion. dollars, and this is just the infrastructure.

                        B)
                        I have already said more than once, here we need a small and medium-sized business that is ready to develop with us, give only a loan with a reasonable interest rate. To make soft pads, RFPs and other consumer goods, you do not need billions of investments in development .. this is guaranteed .. if interested, I’m ready to tell you what and how to do it .. here I am a specialist))
                        - laughing I would have laughed, but it would be incorrect - of course - that giving a certain piece of cotton to a certain shape will not give the Nobel, but do you really think that the development of materials with new physical properties can pull a small / medium business. I'm not so sure laughing You say why this is all, but how many USSR patented commercial ideas? I think you know the answer.

                        C) And in general, conducting R&D (R&D) on credit, even at a moderate% rate, is somewhat risky - you don’t find wink (because it is either venture, or earmarked financing from own funds).

                        2) But did I say somewhere that the state should be responsible for the above? Or the Communist Party is written? You see, you don’t understand and don’t see the difference between what happened during the USSR and what the Communist Party offers now .. Well, read the 20 steps. It does not take much time.
                        We will increase the share of manufacturing industry from the current 15-20% to 70-80%, as in the advanced countries of the world.
                        - I think you yourself inattentively read this? Why not up to 100% or no one will believe it laughing I don’t need beautiful slogans, I want to understand to whom it is planned to sell products with high added value worth hundreds of billions of dollars. You know, I don’t know - but I know that first you need to spend the gold reserves, and then, if it doesn’t work out, then what ?, or as in that joke:
                        All the chickens have died - and I still have so many ideas left
                        .

                        It makes sense to talk about any distribution / redistribution of resources in the presence of a high level of transparency, and in order to get it you need the rule of law + an independent judiciary. And in order to achieve the rule of law and an independent judiciary - you need a parliamentary majority, but it is not there, except in the dreams of Uncle Zyu, and most importantly, uncle Zyu may be, due to his advanced years / state funding of his party, not seeking to do anything for the people to get their parliamentary majority. As one movie hero used to say:
                        Oil Painting
                        . Therefore, that 20 steps, that 50 shades of gray - in a word - a perversion. wink
                      2. Astoria
                        Astoria 25 February 2018 21: 43
                        +1
                        To summarize:
                        1) I don’t have anything against Grudinin at the moment.
                        2) I don’t have anything against the Communist Party at the moment.
                        3) The 20-step program is utopian, a lot about how to take and share, little about how to make money (For example, why should state-owned enterprises tax incentives for investment and innovation — transfer the same money from one pocket to another)?
                        4) Laissez-faire - a good old principle, don't bother - give an attractive legal environment, finally give a fair assessment of the cost of human life in the Russian Federation, give opportunities for class action lawsuits, simplify social elevators - leveling off in the form of well-being of the masses is only a minimum minimum, and not what you need to have in fact.
                        5) And the last - My guess is Grudinin, it’s the creature of the Communist Party to increase the popularity of the Communist Party through a fresh business candidate with a relative untainted reputation for the subsequent conversion of newly acquired popularity in the upcoming parliamentary elections to increase the financing of the Communist Party by the state.
                    3. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 February 2018 21: 55
                      +2
                      A) 100 billion dollars with copecks invested in the US government securities - they don’t do the weather, you can argue that this is a lot of money, yes it is, but not on the scale of the problems facing the Russian Federation. - So the needs assessment for the infrastructure of the Russian Federation is about 1 trillion. dollars, and this is just the infrastructure.

                      You can see that you are not very versed in the topic .. What percentage of our money is there? If I am not mistaken 0,8? Money should work and there are a lot of ways how to ensure profitability much higher than 0.8% per annum and make it easy in Russia. Even in the domestic market, these investments will more than pay off .. Well, as an example, we do not have our own software, while we have the best programmers in the world, maybe we should create it?
                      I would have laughed, but it would be incorrect - of course - that giving a certain piece of cotton to a certain form will not give the Nobel, but do you really think that the development of materials with new physical properties can pull a small / medium business. I’m not sure about something. You will say why this is all, but how many USSR has patented commercial ideas? I think you know the answer.
                      Here I want to laugh .. First, why do you need materials with new physical properties to create consumer goods? Everything is much simpler here .. Well, if you are going to surprise \ conquer the whole world with a new product, then for this there are scientific institutes that are now on the balance of the state, and there are thieves, Chubais, for example, which has not been producing anything for 10 years, and drags money from the treasury .. So in this matter, you just need to solve the problem of interaction between institutions and business ..
                      For the rest, you are dominated by emotions that do not make sense to answer .. But you haven’t convinced .. My opinion is that natural resources, energy tariffs, and alcohol should be in the hands of the state .. Also, the state together with private business , should determine the main directions in development. This body can be called the State Planning Commission and it must also carry out communication between science and business.
                      1. Astoria
                        Astoria 25 February 2018 22: 58
                        +1
                        You can see that you are not very versed in the topic .. What percentage of our money is there? If I am not mistaken 0,8? Money should work and there are a lot of ways how to ensure profitability much higher than 0.8% per annum and make it easy in Russia. Even in the domestic market, these investments will more than pay off .. Well, as an example, we do not have our own software, while we have the best programmers in the world, maybe we should create it?
                        1) Why did you get the idea that I am a supporter of holding reserves in the US government securities, we will adhere to the practice - a 3-month share of imports (US imports for the year 16 are about 10 billion - well, 2,5, okay, let 5 billion and that's enough)

                        2) You are told that trillions of dollars are needed for modernization. All you can offer is nationalization + 100 billion US dollars invested in government securities - Is that all? Somehow, according to Bulgakovsky - to take and share.

                        3) listen to what you are a specialist in, I already understood wink , - in 20 steps, there is not a word about the national financial market, nor a word about its development (other than nationalization laughing ), I will disappoint you only a strong national financial sector can provide long financial resources.

                        4)
                        Here I want to laugh .. First, why do you need materials with new physical properties to create consumer goods? Everything is much simpler here .. Well, if you are going to surprise \ conquer the whole world with a new product, then for this there are scientific institutes that are now on the balance of the state, and there are thieves, Chubais, for example, which has not been producing anything for 10 years, and drags money from the treasury .. So in this matter, you just need to solve the problem of interaction between institutions and business ..
                        I agree that the state-owned company Rusnano is no better than the Soviet research institutes, that it is useless to spend billions on what no one needs.
                        So in this matter, you only need to solve the problem of interaction between institutions and business.
                        correctly, change one structure to another, but it’s better to change only the sign on Rusnano - no need to come up with bicycles.

                        5)
                        For the rest, you are dominated by emotions that do not make sense to answer .. But you haven’t convinced .. My opinion is that natural resources, energy tariffs, and alcohol should be in the hands of the state .. Also, the state together with private business , should determine the main directions in development. This body can be called the State Planning Commission and it must also carry out communication between science and business.
                        - It’s boring to persuade you - you want to believe a good king (good regional committee / park / town, please, but only without agitation (
                        Who takes a pack of tickets - will not receive a water pump
                        )), I don’t care whose resources (private / state) they are, if only they are efficiently mastered, but you do not propose how to increase efficiency, how to earn more, save more - at best, just transfer from pocket to pocket or spend on utopia! All masters spend money, making money is much more difficult wink
            2. onix757
              onix757 25 February 2018 12: 59
              +3
              Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
              everyone can promise before the election ... especially commies with Zyuganov

              Do promises of a guarantor of about 2 decades do not bother you?
              Thanks to "communication" you live under a peaceful sky, sit on this wonderful resource and take pride in weapons created in the USSR
              1. Non liberoid Russian
                Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 15: 04
                0
                what am I proud of, I know only, and not as someone from the forum, affirming for others ... and where does the communication?
            3. onix757
              onix757 25 February 2018 13: 04
              +4
              pseudo-communist sternin;

              And if you look from the other side, those who have lost their shores do not want to open from it under any circumstances. You remind the words of Gref’s favorite of power about the people who can’t choose those whom he wants
          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 25 February 2018 12: 47
            +4
            Quote: Svarog
            Grudinin is not alone ... With him the Communist Party and the people.

            What? belay Well, yes, of course, not only one, the “communists" unite with the "monarchists" and put forward "the oligarch, well done, okay, the oligarch, an empty puppet, who in case of victory will sit on the throne and it is important to puff out his cheeks and read the decrees that those who win in a fight for power between the "communists", "monarchists" and who else united there and put forward Grudinin hi Stalin was spinning like a fan, looking at this panopticon, oh, how lacking it was, he would have shot this clique led by Zyuganov, and Grudinin would have felled the forest in the taiga, even though there was at least one good deal from him. yes And everyone is free to answer for the people, only their opinion is not asked.
            Quote: onix757
            What is one reason why this is difficult to do?

            Not difficult. wink Is that a lot of weapons?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 25 February 2018 13: 10
              +4
              Quote: 79807420129
              Well, yes, of course, not one; "communists" are united with "monarchists"

              The time has come, the year of the Communist Party unites the entire society of Russia. Just a society against the oligarchs.
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 25 February 2018 13: 20
                +5
                Quote: Svarog
                The time has come, the year of the Communist Party unites the entire society of Russia. Just a society against the oligarchs.

                And what previously prevented this? laughing Warm place near the state budget in the State Duma? It seems that it didn’t interfere on the contrary with all the privileges and privileges. yes What prevented us from taking power in 1996, were all for? What prevented the unification from 2001, maybe the dancer is bad?
                Quote: Svarog
                Just a society against the oligarchs.

                Of course, choosing an oligarch as a candidate laughing Great fight good Well, fight on and you will be happy. good
                1. onix757
                  onix757 25 February 2018 13: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  And what previously prevented this? Warm place near the state budget in the State Duma?

                  It is clearly written that society is ripe for change. Or does the Manual not allow you to carefully read the opponent’s arguments?
                  1. Non liberoid Russian
                    Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 15: 09
                    +1
                    wow, what templates have climbed, and the manuals have been remembered .... and go to the State Department agents
                2. onix757
                  onix757 25 February 2018 13: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  Of course, at the same time choosing an oligarch as a candidate An excellent fight, Well, fight on and you will be happy.

                  To have 25 million rubles and at the same time not to belong to power-to be an oligarch? Poor thing for the oligarch. Do not offend your guarantor friends with your opus)
              2. Non liberoid Russian
                Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 15: 05
                +1
                how do you know what unites society? Who gave you the right to speak for everyone?
            2. onix757
              onix757 25 February 2018 13: 17
              +3
              Quote: 79807420129
              Not difficult. Is that a lot of weapons?

              Yes, this is superfluous. There are no ideological patriots in power; they will surrender each other with ceilings at the slightest threat.
          3. cats
            cats 25 February 2018 14: 37
            +7
            laughing From Grudinin communism pret ... laughing Shave his mustache, a copy of the trump. Will tell me how exceptional I am? .. laughing
          4. Lieutenant
            Lieutenant 25 February 2018 14: 57
            0
            You are not tired of trolling and engaging in propaganda, you are all wrong, for some time now on different branches I have noticed your all-propagating comments that are slipping into elementary propaganda. And what have you personally done for the good of our country, maybe there will be enough feces for a fan to scatter !?
            1. Lieutenant
              Lieutenant 25 February 2018 14: 58
              +2
              Rather, on March 19th, this concentration of trolls per square meter is tired!
        2. onix757
          onix757 25 February 2018 12: 20
          +3
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          why are they from the sternum will suffer then? naive who believe that sternum can break the system

          What is one reason why this is difficult to do?
          1. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 25 February 2018 12: 41
            +2
            well, good luck thinking that this is easy to do)))
            1. onix757
              onix757 25 February 2018 12: 55
              +3
              Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
              well, good luck thinking that this is easy to do)))

              Not a lot of course with arguments, but thanks for that.
          2. dog breeder
            dog breeder 25 February 2018 12: 45
            +4
            The reason, to the commonplace, is one - they will not choose Grudinin. And, if, someone believes that the people are with the Communists, then ... But why am I? Let it count!
            1. onix757
              onix757 25 February 2018 12: 54
              +3
              Quote: dog breeder
              The reason, to the commonplace, is one - they will not choose Grudinin

              They will not choose and will not let choose. These are two big differences.
              Quote: dog breeder
              And, if, someone believes that the people are with the Communists, then ... But why am I? Let it count!

              And with whom are the people? Just do not say that the interests of the guarantor and his friends coincide with the interests of the country and the people.
              1. dog breeder
                dog breeder 25 February 2018 14: 15
                +2
                onix757
                And with whom are the people? Just do not say that the interests of the guarantor and his friends coincide with the interests of the country and the people.

                Your self-confident optimism pleases me. You are, right, the voice of the people! Watch your feet under your feet!
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 25 February 2018 12: 59
              +4
              Quote: dog breeder
              The reason, to the commonplace, is one - they will not choose Grudinin. And, if, someone believes that the people are with the Communists, then ... But why am I? Let it count!

              You know, I’m conducting special polls, it’s become a hobby)) Not long ago, an old comrade called, I didn’t see each other for 5 years, I started to speak for that, well, for politics, I ask who you will vote for, he hasn’t decided yet Grudinin, but not even that important, he says that there are 74 people in the team, no one is voting for Putin at all! From his entourage, only his mother will vote for Putin. And so it’s such a picture where you won’t dig it. Political strategists smell it, and they water Grudinin as they can.
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 25 February 2018 13: 05
                +4
                Quote: Svarog
                Political strategists smell it, and they water Grudinin as they can.

                And what to water it bully Comrade Zyuganov and Comrade Grudinin will do everything themselves and pour themselves, then political strategists do not have to try. laughing
                Quote: Svarog
                But Grudinin has a program where everything is justified, every step. 20 Steps - Read ..

                Everyone has already read, since 1993, and in 1996, these twenty steps rushed from each iron laughing Well? bully
                1. onix757
                  onix757 25 February 2018 13: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  And what to water it is Comrade Zyuganov with Comrade Grudinin will do everything themselves and pour themselves, then there is no need for political strategists to try.

                  But they are trying. Trying to find the "crime", but that's all. People want change and see a state for their people in their lifetime.
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  Everyone has already read since 1993, and in 1996, these twenty steps swept from every iron. Well?

                  As a result, only the Communist Maslyakov pulled out the country after the one who is now in the Kremlin administration. The oligarchs felt that the threat passed with excitement and brought the guarantor to power. And now for 18 years we listen to stories about the happy "city of the sun"
              2. onix757
                onix757 25 February 2018 13: 08
                +3
                I agree, they are watered .. And also there is no doubt that all these ratings are 89,9% blown. The authorities are afraid of strong rivals who have something to offer people.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 25 February 2018 13: 45
                  +3
                  The authorities have enough leverage to compensate for the image of the loss, not completely, but very significantly. They dug up the electorate’s wishes for the elections, and now some of them are performing as if by a wave ... the main candidate! Tactics are not new, but they work as before.
                  GDP wins, sales will not have to juggle. Of course, 99,9% cannot be seen, but much less is needed.
              3. dog breeder
                dog breeder 25 February 2018 13: 34
                +5
                I will not pour about third hands. There are two sons, of a very interesting age (this means around thirty). Never participated in the election. Here the other day, met, news for zist, grandchildren. Somehow I left on the topic of elections, it turned out they would. Almost the first time. They will vote for Putin. My sons! And not some 74 of your mythical people. Oh yes! Both have a bunch of friends, classmates, classmates, in a rocking chair on a team. This is in comparison with the team of a friend. So maybe we’ll outweigh your friend’s mom.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 25 February 2018 13: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: dog breeder
                  I will not pour about third hands. There are two sons, of a very interesting age (this means around thirty). Never participated in the election. Here the other day, met, news for zist, grandchildren. Somehow I left on the topic of elections, it turned out they would. Almost the first time. They will vote for Putin. My sons! And not some 74 of your mythical people. Oh yes! Both have a bunch of friends, classmates, classmates, in a rocking chair on a team. This is in comparison with the team of a friend. So maybe we’ll outweigh your friend’s mom.

                  Well, young people still do not understand much in life, and given the continuous breakthroughs on TV, it will probably be possible to vote for Putin, although my children can better understand this)) Young people and old people, some are afraid that the latter will not be taken away, others have not yet lived their lives ..
                  1. dog breeder
                    dog breeder 25 February 2018 14: 11
                    +2
                    My guys do not look at the box. News from the Internet, the rest of the time work, rocking with his wives, family. On weekends or skates, or skis with boards. Own apartments, but in a mortgage. they paid for the cars themselves, did not help. And to say whose children are better ... Well, God be your judge.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 25 February 2018 14: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: dog breeder
                      And to say whose children are better ... Well, God be your judge.

                      Did I say whose children are better? It was about what they are better versed in. Be careful and you can begin to see the world differently. smile hi
                      1. dog breeder
                        dog breeder 25 February 2018 15: 00
                        +3
                        Well, I apologize for the inaccuracy of the wording. I clarify. To say that your children understand something better than someone is at least stupid. Well, a bigger measure is your choice. I am taking my leave for the sim. Cases, affairs. I'll see your answers tomorrow!
              4. cats
                cats 25 February 2018 14: 39
                +3
                And your comrade, from Lviv or from Kiev?
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 25 February 2018 12: 07
    0
    There will be no Nord Stream for cheap, Sabetta will ship for expensive
  4. Zubr
    Zubr 25 February 2018 12: 09
    +2
    [quote] If Nord Stream-2 is blocked by US sanctions, the EU economy will suffer heavy losses, [/ quot]

    Well, if there is an understanding of the problem, then not everything is lost. In the end, if you do not agree, we will have enough of our means.
  5. pjastolov
    pjastolov 25 February 2018 12: 09
    +3
    Naturally, we can only finance those business segments that are not subject to sanctions. I very much hope that the heads of Germany and France have already understood that such restrictions are directed not only against the Russian Federation, but also against Europe. If "North Stream-2" is blocked by US sanctions, the EU economy will suffer heavy losses,
    really got it? it’s not giraffe
  6. Fedorov
    Fedorov 25 February 2018 12: 11
    +4
    Wablo conquers evil. Grandmas don't smell. That is the whole strategic conclusion.
    The only joke is that you won’t take them to the grave or to the crematorium, and the children can take a walk. There are plenty of examples.
    You need a brain to have a la Stalin, what would be planned for generations.
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 25 February 2018 12: 16
    +3
    In short, the Italians would like to cling to the flow, and it’s scary ... They don’t have vital importance for them, therefore they hesitate, although they really want to have their own piece of the cashbox to fuck ..
  8. Troll
    Troll 25 February 2018 12: 35
    +1
    At first, one snowflake on the slope moving barely barely shifts the second then the third fourth .. in the end it all turns into an uncontrollable avalanche. It will be the same here. First, one bank, then another, then a third. And in the end, they will line up vying to offer their capital.
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 25 February 2018 12: 48
      +2
      Well, if only in the form of on-lending, and at a lower percentage.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 25 February 2018 13: 05
    +1
    It is very likely that the Americans and the EU are on the eve of a real trade war. Pressing the projects, projects in the EU, the Americans are changing the rules of the game.
  10. Slovak
    Slovak 25 February 2018 13: 14
    0
    And you want and it’s prickling ... Eurosavors are afraid to send the FSA even for their own interests. How can Russia respect and consider independent countries that subordinate their own interests to US interests? And the funny thing is that the same Europeans puff, resent when they laugh at them. Our prime minister, for example, wants and is ready to work with Russia! But, there are nuances ... the US does not approve ... Therefore, it votes "like everyone else"
  11. loginovich
    loginovich 25 February 2018 13: 35
    0
    Fear lost! Antonina Gerashchenko will bring to the Peacemaker.
  12. Piramidon
    Piramidon 25 February 2018 13: 51
    0
    Svidomo world tensed. The parliament must decide who gets what section of the pipeline for cutting to ferrous metal.
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 February 2018 13: 52
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    What does socialism mean little?

    Everyone has their own beliefs ... And I try to respect them. But socialism in the USSR downplayed the value of the inextricable link of time, the national tradition. The idea of ​​universal equality may be humane, but the enemies and competitors do not take root. ... In due time I managed to work on collective farms, at a factory, and now I am a teacher at school. I will say: “egalitarianism” is also unfair and inefficient.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 February 2018 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      Quote: Svarog
      What does socialism mean little?

      Everyone has their own beliefs ... And I try to respect them. But socialism in the USSR downplayed the value of the inextricable link of time, the national tradition. The idea of ​​universal equality may be humane, but the enemies and competitors do not take root. ... In due time I managed to work on collective farms, at a factory, and now I am a teacher at school. I will say: “egalitarianism” is also unfair and inefficient.

      I agree that in the USSR there was a lot of everything that needed to be changed .. And the reason for the collapse of the USSR was precisely the fact that the model of socialism was not plastic .. I mean that it did not develop .. And the world and everything around is in constant motion. What do you mean by leveling? Now, if you look now, then every year there is less and less opportunity for people, not only for quality education, but also for medicine, sports, careers. Opportunities are greatly reduced. Parents have no money - 99% will not have them in children. For now you can’t get medicine without money or education. Everything is like at the time when serfs were, a slave system. And under the USSR, it didn’t have such significance from the families of workers, eminent engineers, doctors, scientists, etc. Now it is almost impossible. Even if you succeed in learning, getting a good education, it is practically impossible to put it into practice. Everywhere family clans, that in politics, that in science, medicine. Therefore, it is not entirely clear what kind of leveling you are talking about ..
  14. Horst78
    Horst78 25 February 2018 13: 56
    0
    But what about a torn economy?
  15. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 25 February 2018 13: 57
    0
    Tremble Europe! Grandfather Silvio (link Mnogohodovochki) drinks on the way, not yet will be, perhaps!
  16. razved
    razved 25 February 2018 20: 21
    0
    And I want, and pricks, and does not order ...
  17. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 25 February 2018 21: 57
    0
    the heads of Germany and France have already realized that such restrictions are directed not only against the Russian Federation, but also against Europe

    They understood that, and there was no need to hope, but to do something with it - the gut is thin.
  18. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 26 February 2018 08: 35
    0
    Ukrainians have already protested?