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The reverse side of caps

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Considerations of reinsurers in the style “Whatever happens!” Cannot be considered as a sufficient basis for noteworthy criticism of the decisions of the leadership of the Russian Federation regarding Syria


The reverse side of caps


No sooner had the Su-57 come to Syria, as the all-knowing "aces" of the Internet immediately began to incline this history in every way. According to one source, the latest Russian fighters have already completely bombed the suburb of Damascus - Eastern Guta, sending to the world almost two thousand American soldiers allegedly living there - Revenge for "WAGNER": SU-57 Crumbles Americans in Private Settlement Contracts

Others, meanwhile, began to frighten the public with articles under panic-like headings like “The transfer of the Su-57 to Syria carries a significant risk” - The transfer of the Su-57 to Syria carries a significant risk

Generally speaking, the announcement that a war is fired at the war, which means that they can even kill, looks, to put it mildly, somewhat belated. Humanity has known about this for at least 50 for thousands of years.

As for this particular case, the “chiefs of panic” would have to work hard to bring on this account more solid arguments. Alas, but the article under the above title does not shine such.

All doubts about the expediency of sending the newest Russian aircraft to Syria, mentioned in this text, boil down to essentially one thing - what if it falls there?

“... a source close to the Ministry of Defense confessed to the VIEW newspaper that it does not support the decision to send Su-57 to Syria. “The plane is raw. If something happens to the plane, God forbid, it will be a serious image blow that our competitors will take. As you know, in India, we are now undergoing difficult negotiations around fifth-generation aircraft. A lot of lobbyists work there who urge to abandon work with Russia and switch to the purchase of American F-35. ”

And here's another in the same alarmist spirit:

“The plane will fall by itself, or it will help it to fall, or it will be burned on the ground - and you can’t think of a better anti-advertisement for Russian military aircraft,” says the source.

The current commercial-minded "sources", it seems, are not a decree and proven for centuries the wisdom of the people, saying that "for one beaten, two unbeaten are given." Even ordinary cars are now checked by crash tests. And then suddenly a combat plane with a crystal vase was mixed up!

Thank God that the real military and political leaders of the country think much more adequately and are not afraid to make responsible decisions. That is why they, in particular, not so long ago sent the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov to the coast of Syria, in fact, on an experimental military campaign. The ship smoked mercilessly in the English Channel, then lost two combat aircraft, which became the reason for a bunch of foolish ridicule on the Internet. In reality, it was a unique and therefore invaluable experience of the first in the history of the military campaign of a domestic aircraft carrier ship. This allowed us to draw a lot of practical lessons and draw sound conclusions for the future. Moreover, the conclusions regarding not only a single military unit, but also the entire Russian fleet! So much for the hee hee!

So, in the case of sending Su-57 to Syria, one can see the same far-sighted logic and quite appropriate contempt for the narrow-minded “Whatever the reason!”.

As for the essence of the objections mentioned above, this is something from the series “in the garden of an elder and in Kiev an uncle”. What kind of “raw plane” does the nameless “expert” talk about when it comes to a car that has been undergoing state tests for a good four years? Yes, during the war in two months she would have been in battle formation! And Su-57 is clearly not worth in this sense, “sit back in girls.”

I think that the Russian Ministry of Defense received the green light on such a decision precisely because everything is strictly the opposite. Namely - the years of test flights, including tests for combat use, during which not a single serious accident occurred, gave enough reason to conclude that the T-50 is a reliable and efficient machine that it is time to check in real life. .

No less strange are the fears of the same “source” that the use of Su-57 in a combat situation will have a negative impact on the future of Indian-Russian cooperation on the topic of the PAK FA. It’s as if the Indians are so simple that it’s better for them to buy a “cat in a bag” from Russia, that is, a plane that didn’t even smell powder, than a fighter tested in battle! I will say more - even if something happens to him from Syria, which of course is undesirable for the same Indians and, of course, for Russians, it will be invaluable material for analyzing the situation and making further corrections to the Su-57 design. So, in this sense, I do not exclude even a certain interest of the same India in the decision of the leadership of the Russian Federation to send Su-57 to Syria.

And now the most important thing. And why should something bad happen to this airplane? Why is there so much "expert" lack of faith? If we assume that it is really conscientious, and not just timed to the elections of the President of the Russian Federation and to “put down” the current government to the task at any cost?

Russian combat aviation during the three years of the war in Syria, almost no military casualties were sustained. Except for the vile shot by the Turks “in the back” of the Su-24 and the Su-25 attack aircraft shot down by the militants, which would probably have been intact, it would have remained at an altitude unattainable for MANPADS.

Only on the basis of this statistics, one can confidently assert that the chances of a ground-based enemy to bring down an even more perfect Su-57 are practically nil. Throughout the whole of Syria, which is controlled by the Russian Aerospace Force, the enemy forces are completely lacking in heavy anti-aircraft missile systems that threaten aircraft at high altitudes.

Another danger is even more hypothetical, which other specialists unwittingly predict Su-57.

“Of course, there is no serious work for a fighter there - there is no air enemy, of course. Nevertheless, his characteristics are good, for ground targets he will work. ”


But then a reasonable question arises - why is it necessary, strictly speaking? The use of such an expensive and complex aircraft for ground attack purposes, that is, for actions really associated with an increased and unjustified risk in this case, looks like nailing a microscope. In which way, there is no functional need. The Russian VKS has more than enough other machines - the same Su-24 and Su-25, which quite successfully cope with the solution of similar problems.

If we talk about the "window of vulnerability" for Su-57 in Syria, then it is rather the very base of the VCS Hamim. Which theoretically could be attacked from the ground. As it already happened on the eve of the New Year. However, there is reason to believe that since then the environs of this military object have been cleaned to a mirror shine and the ground for such incidents is completely absent here. Although the local command would still need to think about a more reliable protection of aircraft on the ground parking, than sandbags in the open air. For example, about full-fledged arch-type capitalized caponiers, which will exclude damage to expensive machines from an accidental mine or grenade.


Protective structures of the open type on the parking of aircraft on the basis of Hmeymim (screenshot of the video "Russia 1")


The problem of such “expert” assessments is that they are too straightforward and are limited to purely military aspects of the use of Su-57 in the Middle East theater. And they completely ignore the tasks of political and psychological problems that are no less important. In particular, the judgment of the absence of an “air enemy” from the Russian HQs in Syria is frankly early. In any case, the command of the US Air Force, the pilots of which have already stained their hands with the blood of Syrian and Russian fighters under Deir ez-Zor (in this case it does not matter that they were from PMCs), may think completely differently on this matter. And not just thinking, but also trying to repeat something similar in another place. For example, in the area of ​​the same East Guta.

By the way, the heavy fighting that is happening there now, if someone has not yet understood, is the direct response of the United States to their provocation in eastern Syria. Perhaps the Yankees couldn’t connect such obvious things in their brains, but any sensible person understands that they’re withdrawing immunity from the forces of the pro-government forces of Syria means that their allies are “right terrorists” from the so-called “democratic opposition” regularly shelling the Russian embassy in Damascus) automatically became a legitimate target for the armed forces of Syria and Russia. That is what is happening now in Eastern Gute.

Americans, of course, do not like it very much. They generally do not like getting change. I don’t like it so much that the president of the United States of America Trump himself raised a voice in defense of his charges. And this, according to the Pentagon’s concepts, is almost equivalent to the need to confirm “American resolve” with military force. As it was, for example, in the case of the Syrian Shairat airbase in March last year. And then there was Trump's sovbezovsky mouthpiece, Nikki Haley, in no uncertain terms, about the possibility of a US military strike.

I think that after landing the Russian Su-57 in Khmeimim, the American hotheads somewhat cooled down. For the simple reason that the Pentagon can count. And they probably thought it would turn the American attempt to "gain air supremacy" not somewhere over the eastern desert, but right in the center of Syria, fully controlled by Russian air defense systems, and now also by Su-57 fighter jets. Which, being armed with the most long-range air-to-air missiles in the world and reinforced by long-range radars of DRLO A-50U airplanes, they can well stop the attacking actions of the US Air Force even on the distant approaches to Damascus. Not allowing them to even fly to the line of discovery of fire. No nuclear war about this will ever happen. But Americans can get it right through the teeth. So, “image losses” in the event of a similar development of events, and catastrophic losses, should be feared rather than Russia, but the overseas Pentagon. “Terrible military glory” which is based mainly on inflated media myths. the main condition for the viability of which lies in the categorical prevention of their testing in practice.
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 26 February 2018 15: 13
    +3
    The Israelis have the same invisibility ... so, where and with whom our only intersect is a matter of time.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 26 February 2018 15: 20
      +7
      Understand where to hide, and where to lean out, this is part of the tactics and combat use of the aircraft.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 February 2018 18: 41
        +7
        Why and why they sent this plane to Syria, we don’t know. And this is true.
        1. Yarik
          Yarik 27 February 2018 05: 52
          +1
          210quq Yesterday, 18:41 ↑ New
          Why and why they sent this plane to Syria, we don’t know. And this is true.

          What a fright? It’s just the 18th day soon.
          1. Kawado s
            Kawado s 27 February 2018 10: 48
            +1
            yeah, lose the plane and get out of hand before the election?)))
            no, not that ... the reason is clearly different.
      2. Don
        Don 26 February 2018 18: 48
        +25
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        During the three years of the war in Syria, Russian military aviation suffered almost no casualties. Except for the Su-24 shot dead by the Turks "in the back" and the Su-25 attack aircraft shot down by the militants, which would certainly have been intact, would it remain at an unattainable height for MANPADS.

        Oh yes, we can, shout that there are no losses, we can do it, and the Ministry of Defense is constantly "stupid" about losses until it is pressed by facts. Well, of course, the Su-24 would have remained intact if the Turks had not landed it. Su-25 would also not fall if it were not for the enemy MANPADS. And also all the turntables would have remained intact if they had not ascended into the sky. And another Su-24 would not “fall” during take-off. And the sea Su-33 with MiG-29K would still take off from Kuznetsov if the aircraft-carrying cruiser did not go to Middle-earth. Oh yes, the losses on the ground during mortar attacks are also random. And all these losses are not at all military, well, what are you. It’s just that ALL flights are combat, and losses are by no means. MO has no losses! Only mothers who sent their children to the army and relatives of the "mercenaries" who were betrayed by their country for the phrase "There are no losses!" Oh times! Oh manners!
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 26 February 2018 19: 29
          +13
          Quote: Donskoy
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          During the three years of the war in Syria, Russian military aviation suffered almost no casualties. Except for the Su-24 shot dead by the Turks "in the back" and the Su-25 attack aircraft shot down by the militants, which would certainly have been intact, would it remain at an unattainable height for MANPADS.

          Oh yes, we can, shout that there are no losses, we can do it, and the Ministry of Defense is constantly "stupid" about losses until it is pressed by facts. Well, of course, the Su-24 would have remained intact if the Turks had not landed it. Su-25 would also not fall if it were not for the enemy MANPADS. And also all the turntables would have remained intact if they had not ascended into the sky. And another Su-24 would not “fall” during take-off. And the sea Su-33 with MiG-29K would still take off from Kuznetsov if the aircraft-carrying cruiser did not go to Middle-earth. Oh yes, the losses on the ground during mortar attacks are also random. And all these losses are not at all military, well, what are you. It’s just that ALL flights are combat, and losses are by no means. MO has no losses! Only mothers who sent their children to the army and relatives of the "mercenaries" who were betrayed by their country for the phrase "There are no losses!" Oh times! Oh manners!

          Man, what kind of vinaigrette have you cooked up with my name, maybe they messed it up? The article has a different author.
        2. Grbear
          Grbear 26 February 2018 20: 06
          +35
          Don, and you took a gooseberry, because you are not Don, but Palondo ...
          It’s just that ALL flights are combat, and losses are by no means. MO has no losses! Only mothers who sent their children to the army and relatives of the "mercenaries" who were betrayed by their country for the phrase "There are no losses!" Oh times! Oh manners!

          But you didn’t hear that they were being killed in the war and that a soldier was coming to the Army to carry out the order. Do not want, no one holds. Do you want to dress the Army in diapers fool
          At least counted how many hours ours were in the air at work and in what conditions. Not a single country in the world dared to give such a load to its Air Force, because they would be left without planes at all (Germany still shakes its head - where did the aviation go).
          You need to think, and not chants from the "manuals" to reproduce. hi
          1. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan 27 February 2018 09: 36
            +1
            (Germany still shakes his head - where did the aviation go).

            I agree with you - our air support (engineers and support technicians) must be given their due, serious work.
          2. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 11: 38
            +5
            Moreover, we are talking about contractors and PMC employees, and not about conscripts who have no choice. He’s one of those who spoke before, until they sent the untrained 18 year old boys to the war, the army should be professional. As it became contracted, a significant amount of the rhetoric was replaced by all fighting with the help of mercenaries from PMCs, we alone are fighting with our army. Now PMCs are not satisfied, I wonder what they will offer to replace? By the Martians?
        3. businessv
          businessv 26 February 2018 20: 08
          +16
          Quote: Donskoy
          MO has no losses! Only mothers who sent their children to the army and relatives of the "mercenaries" who were betrayed by their country for the phrase "There are no losses!" Oh times! Oh manners!

          Why this banter regarding this article? It discusses not losses at all and not their voicing of the Ministry of Defense, but the expediency of the presence of the SU-57 in Syria. Losses in the war are inevitable, everyone knows that, so why talk about it in such a revealing tone? As if everything that you said, you learned from your own sources, and not from the MO
          1. Russia
            Russia 26 February 2018 20: 24
            +14
            Petka asks: Vasily Ivanovich, why is our headquarters round? So that they don’t shoot Petka from around the corner.
            Our Chapai used the wrong billet.
        4. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 26 February 2018 20: 51
          +11
          Do not exaggerate. There is certainly no loss there at all, not a baker, but the author is right if you do not show determination now, then the Yankees will completely lose their heads from permissiveness. It’s better to demonstrate this in Syria than near Moscow. And about the fact that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recognizes losses when it is squeezed, then show me the country where official reports show failures as vigorously as successes.
          1. 108- guards pdp
            108- guards pdp 27 February 2018 08: 26
            +1
            He said well. In our country, "you can’t talk a lot", otherwise the "liberals" will come out, and all sorts of "Rodchenkovs" will be mixed up with such that half of the people will scream, "SHO SO AND BULO!"
          2. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 11: 43
            0
            Nobody does this, everyone is trying to underestimate their own and overestimate the losses of the enemy. And our MO is no exception. And sometimes it’s impossible to say exactly how many losses were on that side.
        5. Orionvit
          Orionvit 26 February 2018 21: 03
          +3
          Quote: Donskoy
          O times! About manners!

          Have you read the article? Or look at a book, but see a fig? I ask you a question, why so stupid?
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        7. 108- guards pdp
          108- guards pdp 27 February 2018 08: 22
          0
          What kind of Snot did you spread here? It seems that you saw or read about the Army and the database or read it, but it’s not clear who.
          Did he himself serve in the Army? Or Doskos in the Durk?
        8. Kawado s
          Kawado s 27 February 2018 10: 55
          0
          And about the losses you need to yell loudly?
          Any military information that is broadcast on the air is also part of the strategy. Therefore, one should not naively hope that you will suddenly be laid out the truth, in this case no one owes you anything.
        9. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 11: 31
          0
          A person who has chosen the military profession knows what risks are involved. Not the first day he has been living in our country, and he knows all about what you are crying about. You write about the mothers who sent their children to the army, what kind of mother are such unconscious? They don’t know that the army is needed for war, but they shoot at war and the chance of dying is extremely high. And about the relatives of PMC employees it’s so strange in general, because they know perfectly well that they act in the "gray zone" and their actions are not entirely legal.
        10. EvilLion
          EvilLion 28 February 2018 08: 33
          0
          Man, do you know that in World War II a sortie was counted only in the event of real contact with the enemy? And losses are always divided into military ones, i.e., those caused by the direct influence of the enemy, and non-military ones. During the Second World War of non-combat losses, 500 is gained if you are not in the know. And since the Middle Ages, non-combat losses were the main ones, which sword, from diarrhea or the common cold, died more.

          Losses during mortar attacks are just the same.
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    2. Vincent
      Vincent 26 February 2018 20: 28
      +7
      All these conversations are strange: Why did they send planes to Syria !?
      Excuse me, why is there our fleet? Why are there our tanks, our helicopters, our troops? Apparently, to fulfill its direct mission - to fight. If it is a fighter, then cover the airspace. And in general, in the comments on VO there is absolutely no analytics and argumentation. Some snot, drool, and a shot at the fan.
      1. Russia
        Russia 26 February 2018 20: 41
        +11
        Alexander, hi do not bother with this, we will not learn much. There are professionals, let's trust them. And the site is not the first instance, how many participants, so many opinions. And the overall goal is clear, and we proceed from this.
      2. Yarik
        Yarik 27 February 2018 06: 02
        +1
        Vincent Yesterday, 20:28 ↑ New
        All these conversations are strange: Why did they send planes to Syria !?
        Excuse me, why is there our fleet? Why are there our tanks, our helicopters, our troops? Apparently, to fulfill its direct mission - to fight. If it is a fighter, then cover the airspace. And in general, in the comments on VO there is absolutely no analytics and argumentation. Some snot, drool, and a shot at the fan.

        Bravo. Kiss to the emperor., And they will love you too. I will explain - from the Syrian company neither
        the devil will not remain in six months, nothing will be there, even the zombie creature will stop screaming. Everyone won.
        1. An60
          An60 27 February 2018 06: 17
          +1
          First you need to kiss your Navalny in (rhyme), and then yell.
      3. parma
        parma 27 February 2018 06: 19
        +4
        Quote: Vincent
        All these conversations are strange: Why did they send planes to Syria !?
        Excuse me, why is there our fleet? Why are there our tanks, our helicopters, our troops? Apparently, to fulfill its direct mission - to fight. If it is a fighter, then cover the airspace. And in general, in the comments on VO there is absolutely no analytics and argumentation. Some snot, drool, and a shot at the fan.

        You see what’s the matter, 4 Su-57s won’t stop the USA in any way if they decide to conquer the skies of Syria ... These are the words in any way ... Rather they will stop, but not the planes, but the identification marks on them ... This is a PR move, for GDP by the 18th ... It's just 2 campaigns at a time: 1) The Su-57 has been adopted and is already flying into battle, as the Leader had promised!
        2) our Kim Ch .... Oh, the GDP alone has already dispersed the hordes of occupiers of the land of Ru ... oh, the Syrian!
        I won’t be surprised if next week, by March 8, photos with the unloading of Armata appear ... In battle anyway, neither the Su-57 nor the army will participate, but the border was crossed, which means veterans ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 28 February 2018 08: 34
          +2
          Onaliteg thinks of couches as PR, and the army commander sets tasks.
  2. svp67
    svp67 26 February 2018 15: 20
    +21
    They generally do not like to get change. I do not like it so much that President Trump himself raised his voice in defense of his wards
    Especially when the Americans begin to die, albeit singly, but specialists of the highest class who know how to organize a partisan movement behind their enemy ... And there are plenty of these "they are not there" in those parts, not only from the USA, but also from other NATO countries, it’s not without reason that Merkel and Macron were so “aroused” by the “agony of the civilian population”, here in Raqqah, Mosul they did not notice them, but here ...
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 12: 26
      +1
      And in matters, they also do not recognize their presence among the "Pavstans", as well as losses among them. And no one there screams. The small meal until our instructors and PMCs die.
  3. kepmor
    kepmor 26 February 2018 15: 26
    +16
    undoubtedly ++++ to the author ... however, it is possible more succinctly ... but all "partners with exPERTs" would not have gone any further ... for example, on foot erotic walk ...
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 26 February 2018 15: 37
    0
    Oh well. Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. I wish I were wrong.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 26 February 2018 17: 19
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Oh well. Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. I wish I were wrong.

      In-in. Fresh food, but angry with difficulty laughing
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  6. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 26 February 2018 16: 04
    +5
    Here the author issued, so issued: 50 thousands of years of war! And nothing that archaeologists first wars date 6 thousands of years BC? laughing tongue wassat
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 26 February 2018 17: 51
      +4
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Here the author issued, so issued: 50 thousands of years of war! And nothing that archaeologists first wars date 6 thousands of years BC? laughing tongue wassat

      Well, too, archaeologists, CHO to take from them?
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 26 February 2018 18: 02
        +2
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Well, too, archaeologists, CHO to take from them?

        good
        Yes, and historians still can not come up with what
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 26 February 2018 18: 09
          0
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Well, too, archaeologists, CHO to take from them?

          good
          Yes, and historians still can not come up with what

          Well, even Tryndychikha from a famous film cannot be compared with these. And if you take the "history" of the origin of your ancestor .... That ... Well, in general, you understand.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 26 February 2018 18: 14
            +3
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And if you take the "history" of the origin of your ancestor ....

            Thanks for the compliment" laughing
            As one man said, "life is what you saw with your own eyes." So the whole story is a relative concept wink Including my "ancestors" smile
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 26 February 2018 18: 57
              +2
              Quote: Rurikovich
              laughing
              As one man said, "life is what you saw with your own eyes." So the whole story is a relative concept wink smile

              Truly so. The son comes home with a black eye. Mom (historian) sees (and describes the story) the beating of her son by some hooligans. Dad (also a historian) notes with satisfaction the broken knuckles of his son and also (describes the story) as the son punished the offenders. So, history is a science (?) Very interesting, at least for me. But, we seem to be carried away by the topic not for this thread. My apologies to the moderator. Rurikovich, all the best.
      2. Yarik
        Yarik 27 February 2018 06: 07
        0
        Krasnoyarsk Yesterday, 17:51 ↑ New
        Quote: Dzafdet
        Here is the author issued, so issued: 50 thousand years of war! But nothing that archaeologists date the first war 6 thousand years BC? laughing tongue wassat
        Well, too, archaeologists, CHO to take from them?

        They didn’t get to the bottom layers yet. I need a presidential program. But the money will go exactly there.
        1. An60
          An60 27 February 2018 06: 19
          0
          Are you offended that it’s not your ..pu?
          1. Yarik
            Yarik 27 February 2018 08: 24
            0
            0
            An60 Today, 06:19 ↑
            Are you offended that it’s not your ..pu?

            A drop, we observe subordination?
            1. An60
              An60 27 February 2018 08: 27
              +2
              Observe, drawn major, permit.
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              2. Yarik
                Yarik 27 February 2018 12: 22
                0
                An60 watercraft then. We will not pass on to the individual. wink And so yes, not a major in my life even once.
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 26 February 2018 18: 39
      +1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Here the author issued, so issued: 50 thousands of years of war! And nothing that archaeologists first wars date 6 thousands of years BC?


      Even by rent, only 40 was spoken about by the thousands. Apparently this is really known for a long time. laughing
      1. yuriyselivanov
        26 February 2018 19: 31
        +4
        Is Ren-TV now instead of a history book?
    3. yuriyselivanov
      26 February 2018 19: 12
      +12
      But nothing that the genus Homo Sapiens has existed for at least 100 thousands of years? That is, according to your 94, for thousands of years, all of them have only been doing that kissing passionately, and there were no wars and no losses?
    4. KAV
      KAV 26 February 2018 22: 28
      +2
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Here the author issued, so issued: 50 thousands of years of war! And nothing that archaeologists first wars date 6 thousands of years BC?

      Oh really? yuriyselivanov speaks correctly. Up to 6 T.D.E. there was exceptional love and peace! All gave on the day of St. batons to each other, on February 23 straw punts, and on March 8 cactus flowers. And they lived in peace and harmony, not just in pairs, but in whole tribes. It was the perfect world that the United States wants to recreate in the short term. Forward to a brighter future!
    5. Lycan
      Lycan 27 February 2018 10: 01
      +2
      I suspect that even bipedal people already knew that with a heavy stone they could “calm down” a fellow competitor. And this is not thousands, but 1..1.8 million years.
      istorion.ru/prehist/h_erectus.html (if they made tools, then just a heavy stone could be held in their hands).
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 12: 28
        +1
        And not only to get rid of it, but also to scrub it.
        1. Lycan
          Lycan 27 February 2018 14: 08
          +1
          Such were the times. Do not slide down there again ....
    6. seal78
      seal78 27 February 2018 10: 08
      0
      Yes, yes) And most importantly - 50 thousand years ago already fired !
    7. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 27 February 2018 13: 47
      +1
      Before that, there was fencing with batons and draping each other with excrement among the vines.
  7. rruvim
    rruvim 26 February 2018 16: 33
    +8
    I think that it’s not so important to run-in new cars, it’s more important to “run-in” pilots clearly in a hostile electronic environment. Our landfills are simply not able to imitate this setting. We need sources, as they say "native enemy." And how it will lead avionics in this "environment" is also interesting. So that everything is correct. The main thing is that there would be more sorties and aerobatic "shifts" ...
  8. Atilla
    Atilla 26 February 2018 16: 34
    +1
    2 planes in my weather will not. Just wanted to break in a new technique.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 February 2018 16: 59
      +3
      Already four ...
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    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 February 2018 21: 11
      +1
      Just a "conflict of interest" ... Shurygin already wrote that PMCs, together with customers from the SAR, did not stumble upon the Kurds, but the American Army (albeit in the form of special forces) during the "squeezing" of this oil plant. What did the VKS have to shoot down American planes because of the interests of "private" owners? Another thing is that the "military" could not detect (through RES or field intelligence) and then warn their "friends" from PMCs that the Kurds at the Plant were replaced by Americans. Or maybe they didn’t want to. One salary difference is the antagonism between the Armed Forces and PMCs.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 12: 32
        0
        Many guesses and opinions on this subject lack information on how many PMCs are independent in their actions, decision-making and coordination with the RF Ministry of Defense.
  10. Snail N9
    Snail N9 26 February 2018 16: 39
    0
    Yes-ah ... Closer and closer to the "third world".
  11. flicker
    flicker 26 February 2018 16: 41
    +8
    They generally do not like to get change. I do not like it so much that President Trump himself raised his voice in defense of his wards
    I will highlight from the quote:
    in defense of their wards militants
    There were plenty of wards there who were crushed there, but there weren’t such screams, even at the UN the Russian resolution that had been rejected earlier on the terms of the cessation of hostilities, they suddenly agreed to support them. Here and Macron and Merkel suddenly stepped up ... everyone stood for a truce and even the Turks .. why? The likelihood that foreign instructors covered is enormous. Just because of some "controlled militants" Trump, Merkel, Macron, UN ... urge urgent cessation of hostilities - explaining this by caring for "controlled fighters" causes at least a smile ... caring is clearly about instructors: moreover, valuable and not isolated.
  12. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 26 February 2018 16: 47
    0
    Something the author ambiguously worries about the Indians? Are they participating in a joint ?? developments and pretend only to technology, and even almost for nothing. The point is not that the export option was originally designated, but that the production facilities at the Russian enterprise will be occupied. Su 57 is still very small to even talk about any kind of export. And VV Putin once said that until these aircraft arrive in sufficient quantities (like the T-14 tank too) they will not be sold anywhere .. Is that PR? Whatever it was, but at the end of the mission of the aircraft in Syria, the reaction about advertising (stupid advertising) and the lines of those suffering the purchase of various Papuans, monkeys, etc. is quite predictable, and Rosoboronexport will start to get excited. (criminal organization, harms the defense of the Russian Federation)
  13. yehat
    yehat 26 February 2018 16: 59
    +4
    The years of test flights, including tests for combat use, during which not a single serious accident occurred, gave enough reason to conclude that the T-50 - reliable and efficient

    Yes, where did he prove effectiveness if there was no practice? This is the main claim of the Indians.
    I think this is the decisive factor in deciding to send.

    During the three years of the war in Syria, Russian military aviation suffered almost no casualties. Except for the Su-24 shot dead by the Turks "in the back" and the Su-25 attack aircraft shot down by the militants, which would certainly have been intact, would it remain at an unattainable height for MANPADS.
    Only on the basis of these statistics can we confidently assert that the chances of a ground enemy to shoot down an even more advanced Su-57 are practically zero.

    here cheers patriotism somehow rolls over
    flying is always a risk. It will not hit MANPADS, a homing crow can shoot down. There are many accidents and situations.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 12: 37
      0
      The main claim of the Indians is that they want a fifth-generation aircraft, the transfer of technology for its production, and at the same time with our guarantee that they have fought there. And cheaper! Well, there’s not much money in their own pocket ... So they bargain to stupidity, and harming themselves.
      1. yehat
        yehat 27 February 2018 13: 06
        +1
        they are brazenly trading because the aircraft has no experience
        in fact - a cat in a poke, that’s what they require a lot.
        they don’t get so impudent with the Americans because there is a lot of PR for the F-35 project, and it has already been adopted by a bunch of countries and has been flying for thousands of hours.
        and if in favor of the T50 project there is an effective use in a combat situation, the Indians will have no arguments for arrogance.
        1. parma
          parma 27 February 2018 14: 12
          0
          Hindus understand that there are no real buyers on the Su-57, and I don’t think that they will, excuse me ... You can even go on the list of buyers Mig-29 and Su-30/35 to understand this ...
          Belarus, Kazakhstan, Syria, Venezuela, Vietnam cannot buy, because there is a lot of money ..
          China, Pakistan and a bunch of Asian countries will buy Chinese when it is ready (and it will be ready, and in general I'm afraid that the development time is shorter than that of the Su-57) ... The rest of the penguin ...
          That's why they are being impudent ... They understand that if they do not buy, the series will be less than that of the Raptor, I would also be impudent in their place ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 27 February 2018 14: 26
            0
            there’s such a strange thing ... for the party’s army that 10, that 40 t50 cost about the same,
            and the price of the aircraft is changing radically. Isn’t it easier to adequately form an internal order, and then calmly trade with other countries at reasonable prices instead of hoping for a good investor?
  14. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 26 February 2018 17: 00
    +4
    As for the essence of the objections mentioned above, this is something from the series “in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev the uncle”. What kind of “raw aircraft” does the nameless “expert” talk about when it comes to a car that has been undergoing state tests for four good years?

    Passing state tests for 4 years does not say anything about the real combat readiness of the aircraft.
    For example, the Su-27 also passed tests for several years, while it was already being built in series.
    The aircraft can be considered combat ready (albeit with reservations) when it is officially adopted.
    For example, the Su-27 was put into service in 1990, being at that time in operation for 5 years.
  15. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 26 February 2018 17: 24
    +7
    "... Which, armed with the most long-range air-to-air missiles in the world and reinforced with long-sighted radars of A-50U AWACS, can very well suppress the attacking actions of the American Air Force even at the distant approaches to Damascus. Not allowing them even to fly to the line opening fire. "
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 February 2018 18: 12
      +3
      Well, it happens ... The author "went too far." Anyway from the heart! It is clear that the farsightedness of A-50U radars is still in question. Especially if they are on the ground and refuel. Keep them constantly in the air? No one would dare to spend such money. Yes, and modern air-to-air missiles, such as R-37 in combat, except (polygon-home) conditions, have not yet been used. But our partners are full of experience!
      1. businessv
        businessv 26 February 2018 20: 23
        +2
        Quote: rruvim
        Yes, and modern air-to-air missiles, such as R-37 in combat, except for (polygon-home) conditions, have not yet been used. But our partners are full of experience!

        And where, interestingly, have you gained experience partners? Yes, and complete ?! I have not heard of air battles over Iraq, Serbia, Libya and Afghanistan. Or do you mean the DPRK and Vietnam? So there they gained experience in parallel!
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 26 February 2018 20: 41
          0
          There were definitely aerial battles over Iraq both in the 91st and 03rd. A lot has been written about this. There were definitely aerial battles over Serbia in the 99th. The memory of the pilots of 12 MIG-29 is already in the history of Serbia. The most intense air battles were over Iraq in the 91st and in Operation Desert Fox. And it was a classic aerial combat. In Libya, the MIG-25s rose against the coalition, but to no avail. Our partner is also Israel. The IDF Air Force duel with the SAR Air Force took place regularly since 1982. Turkey is also our partner. The "feat" F-16 is already captured in history. By the way, the VB rocket was American-made.
      2. flicker
        flicker 26 February 2018 21: 47
        +3
        Yes, and modern air-to-air missiles, such as R-37 in combat, except for (polygon-home) conditions, have not yet been used.
        Interesting logic ... request missiles with nuclear warheads, also, it seems, have not yet been used in combat conditions. Someone doubts, someone wants to check that they will fly and lead to huge destruction?
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 26 February 2018 22: 12
          0
          At the training grounds, for example, in Kapustin Yar or in Kazakhstani Sary-Shagan, they were tested and applied to real immitator targets. But in real hostilities the R-37s were not seen.
  16. sevtrash
    sevtrash 26 February 2018 17: 57
    +6
    It looks rather strange to send a non-serial aircraft, the first of the fifth generation, which is actually still being tested at an air base in a foreign country, and this is the same air base in an unfriendly environment. This is what happened to make this happen? It is impossible to imagine that this would happen in the Soviet Union. The Americans banned the export of f22 in order to preserve the secrets of the aircraft.
    What does this mean? Maybe the fact that f22 and f35 are repeatedly accused of worthlessness / insolvency frolic in Syria, and Su35 and c400 can not do anything about it? Need to prove to Indian "friends" that the Su57 is also not visible? Or will the Su57 pair make Israel run 7 f35 and it is not known how many f22? And also all the other forces of the USA, Israel, Turkey?
    Sending the Su57 looks, I repeat, somewhat strange. Perhaps we don’t know something - like "... well, the authorities know better, they know everything and do everything right ...". For completeness, you can expect the arrival of a pair of Armat in Syria.
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 26 February 2018 18: 10
      0
      Well, Armat is still definitely not getting there, and even letting the Syrians “steer”. Now they are no longer thinking about the secrecy of the new technology, but about its commercial value. There are Indians, if they are lost, they must have tensed
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 February 2018 18: 59
      +3
      Quote: sevtrash
      It looks rather strange to send a non-serial aircraft, the first of the fifth generation, which is actually still being tested at an air base in a foreign country, and this is the same air base in an unfriendly environment.

      In 1939, Pomnitsa, three of the latest non-serial tanks that did not even pass the tests were sent to fight on the front line. And one of them after the next attack remained in the territory occupied by the enemy.
      In closer times, there was Operation Rhombus, when 2 experimental Su-25s, which had not yet passed the Gos, were sent to Afghanistan for testing. By the way, the Yak-38 was also marked there.
      Quote: sevtrash
      What does this mean? Maybe the fact that f22 and f35 are repeatedly accused of worthlessness / insolvency frolic in Syria, and Su35 and c400 can not do anything about it?

      Yeah ... the passed Gos and brought to the Su-35 and S-400 series can not, and the hand-made pilot who still does not get out of the test can do everything right there. laughing
      Quote: sevtrash
      Need to prove to Indian "friends" that the Su57 is also not visible? Or will the Su57 pair make Israel run 7 f35 and it is not known how many f22? And also all the other forces of the USA, Israel, Turkey?

      Everything is simpler - as long as there is such an opportunity, it is necessary to test a new aircraft in a low-intensity conflict. Operation Rhombus in a new way.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 26 February 2018 19: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Everything is simpler - as long as there is such an opportunity, it is necessary to test a new aircraft in a low-intensity conflict. Operation Rhombus in a new way.

        At the same time, reveal the radar portrait of the Su57 to the Americans and not only, show the characteristics of their own radar. On the other hand, is Belka, item 30, on the sent copies of the radar? Then more questions.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 February 2018 11: 39
          0
          Quote: sevtrash
          At the same time, reveal the radar portrait of the Su57 to Americans and not only

          Since the time of “The Lame Goblin”, stealth machines have been using means of increasing and distorting the EPR picture - the very thing for such small wars. Plus, the external suspension of the PSU will also contribute.
          Quote: sevtrash
          show the characteristics of your own radar.

          Judging by the history of our aircraft, what is on the prototypes and what is in the series are usually two big differences. smile
    3. yuriyselivanov
      26 February 2018 19: 18
      +4
      In the 1940 year, Hitler gave Stalin some of the latest combat fighters and bombers Me-109, Xe-111, U-88, etc. Revealed all his secrets. So what? Did it help us much in 1941?
      1. your1970
        your1970 26 February 2018 21: 10
        +1
        Quote: yuriyselivanov
        In the 1940 year, Hitler gave Stalin some of the latest combat fighters and bombers Me-109, Xe-111, U-88, etc. Revealed all his secrets. So what? Did it help us much in 1941?
        Is it that there were stupidly fewer engineers in the USSR than in Germany and the industry was less developed to think poorly? That they could - they mastered, they used valuable ideas, they started developing existing models ...
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 February 2018 10: 46
          0
          From a quantitative point of view, there were already more engineers at that time.
          1. your1970
            your1970 27 February 2018 12: 14
            +1
            only in Siemens corporation there were more engineers and engineers - than in all the heavy industry of the USSR ....
            And do not forget the quality difference either - after all, our labor faculties are not a bit German institutions / universities
      2. yehat
        yehat 27 February 2018 14: 31
        0
        Well, firstly, the me-109b from Spain did not give a new nifig to our specialists, but they did not sell the bf-109e or bf-109f. He-111 was generally an ordinary device, simply made with high quality
        The Ju-88 was with an old wing, and again was nifiga no better than the SB.
        so there were no special secrets. All that the Germans had was not obsolete conventional aircraft with modern engines and materials.
        And we had plywood and modifications of old English engines.
        Until the end of the war, the Air Force did not receive an engine similar to that which stood on the Messer.

        Well, the process of implementing improvements is also important.
        on bf-109 innovations reached the front often within 3-4 months.
        it took us half a year or more.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 28 February 2018 08: 36
        0
        Well, actually, for those who had the opportunity to get acquainted with the results of their study, this helped a lot, although the technique then became outdated much faster.
    4. gsev
      gsev 26 February 2018 23: 14
      0
      When I was in school, I heard that Backfire bombed Americans in the Philippines very successfully during the Vietnam War. In perestroika I read that a similar aircraft was adopted after that war. Before perestroika, I did not hear or read more about a plane with that name.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 27 February 2018 12: 59
        0
        This is something new as far as I know Tu-22M / 1/2, etc. which, according to the Backfire coding, were only in the USSR and the first combat use was in Afghanistan. There is still just the Tu-22, but they, too, were not used during the Vietnam War.
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    1. yuriyselivanov
      26 February 2018 19: 20
      +6
      Actually, it’s not accepted to react to such verbal diarrhea. But since I was taught to cherish every soul, even a lost one, I ask - do you have anything to do with the case?
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 26 February 2018 19: 49
        +2
        You are rude not only in articles with pseudo-analytics, but also in communication with people. Can you calm down?
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  18. fa811147
    fa811147 26 February 2018 19: 47
    0
    , to the author no respect. It would be better to tell how cookies are distributed in Syria to "servicemen" who have nothing to do with hostilities, but are able to fill out the award sheet in time. While real fighters are late to do so.
    1. Russia
      Russia 26 February 2018 20: 51
      +14
      Flooding again, miracle. No honor, no conscience.
  19. pvv113
    pvv113 26 February 2018 19: 48
    +2
    the all-knowing "aces" of the Internet immediately began to incline this story in every way

    When there is no reliable information, people begin to think it out.
    1. Russia
      Russia 26 February 2018 19: 55
      +12
      And they fly on it, throwing the pilot out of use.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 26 February 2018 21: 20
        +1
        That's why they and aces wink
  20. Santor
    Santor 26 February 2018 20: 01
    +4
    Quote: Doliva63
    Yura Selivanov - military expert or proctologist / gynecologist? Ugh, damn it.

    Well, I’ll answer for him, correct if somewhere is wrong - Member of the Union of Journalists of the USSR since 1985 of the year. Education - History Department of Odessa State University, Military Institute of the USSR Ministry of Defense. The officer of the Soviet army. VUS - special propaganda.
    The first publications in the newspapers "Lenin Banner" (UGV ")," Red Star "and" Evening Odessa ". The main topics of that time were a sharp condemnation of the disorderly withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe, as well as the defense of basic socialist values ​​and the territorial integrity of the USSR.
    I have been in hot spots for a long time - Transnistria, Kosovo, and Eastern Turkey.

    And you?:)))
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 26 February 2018 20: 07
      +3
      Quote: Santor
      The officer of the Soviet army. VUS - special propaganda.




      That's all analytics ...
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 February 2018 20: 40
        +3
        In groups of troops and in the 40th Army, special propaganda was a serious tool, you shouldn’t be so.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 26 February 2018 20: 43
          +2
          The necessary thing. Only treat it as propaganda)
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 26 February 2018 20: 54
            +4
            You can relate to it in different ways. You just do not know what kind of "office" it was. Under her "roof" everyone worked and sundry. For example, I was sent there by a reconnaissance unit of 6 Guards OA.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 February 2018 20: 37
      +3
      I was also a special translator (translator). There they taught him to follow the language. Not horse feed, apparently. In the late 80s a lot of crap showed his true face.
  21. demo
    demo 26 February 2018 20: 13
    +3
    Someone would say, and someone would listen.
    To tell Russia how and what to do in the war is to teach the father of children to do!
    It seems to be so.

    But it’s interesting to hear something else.
    When we are going not for war, but for fishing, and even for an unfamiliar place, and even with strangers, what do we do first of all?
    We are consulting. With friends. With knowledgeable people. With experienced.
    Then we draw conclusions.

    We somehow superficially relate to the fact that our aircraft carrier Kuznetsov, who, in principle, was not ready for the campaign, went to Syria.
    Luckily returned.
    But he could not return, due to technical problems?
    Could.
    Two aircraft lost. Because of which?
    Well, they explained to us.

    If we are going to war, and not fishing, then we must use those funds that will not give any glitch.
    For, again, this word is not good - the image.
    After all, are the adversaries watching and making conclusions about our combat readiness?
    They do.
    And if the adversary considers that we are not strong enough, can this bring a military conflict with him closer?
    Can!
    So what kind of fuck is it to build it all?

    It’s so constant with us - at first they do it, and then they think how to get out of this shit with minimal losses.

    An analysis of the situation in Syria allows us to draw very non-comforting conclusions.
    There is a complete lack of strategic thinking with taking forward steps on the possible actions of all participants in the events.
    Turks, Americans, Israelis, Saudis, Jordanians, actually all Syrian participants, Iranians, etc.
    All and all does not provide?
    Then don’t have to get into cards with such guys to play.
    In such games, you must first look at the opponent’s cards, and then at your own.
    And it seems that we are only looking at our own.
    And in our drop in everyone is not lazy.
    1. skaramaks27
      skaramaks27 26 February 2018 20: 44
      +3
      and buy a green t-shirt. the stencil is full on the back. "does not peck", "just came", "to the worm", "vodka? I WILL!"
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 February 2018 21: 20
      +4
      Quote: demo
      And it seems that we are only looking at our own.
      And in our drop in everyone is not lazy.
      -Do you apparently read regular intelligence? And also counterintelligence?
      very confidently write - “we don’t know anything, we don’t know how, we’re going in the wrong direction” .........
  22. businessv
    businessv 26 February 2018 20: 15
    +3
    Thank you Yuri for the article! A sensible and reasonable assumption about the use of the most modern domestic aircraft, unlike many other arguments!
  23. Santor
    Santor 26 February 2018 20: 18
    +6
    Quote: Donskoy
    And all these losses are not at all military, well, what are you. It’s just that ALL flights are combat, and losses are by no means. MO has no losses! Only mothers who sent their children to the army and relatives of the "mercenaries" who were betrayed by their country for the phrase "There are no losses!" Oh times! Oh manners!

    What did you want to say by this, I didn’t understand .... Yes, if the height of SU-25 was determined in the assignment, we wouldn’t get it ... In the case of SU-24, the equipment refused, the men died, at the funeral, Yury Kopylov generally had a pregnant wife; they collected in addition to help from the command.
    Combat casualties are casualties in direct battalion operations. If you served higher than the corporal, you should understand the difference. That's just to pour gnomez ... And about mercenaries devoted to their country, it is not necessary without knowledge. There are all sorts of things, including the Milchakovs. And not only the citizens of Russia there ...
  24. Santor
    Santor 26 February 2018 20: 19
    +1
    Quote: Town Hall
    That's all analytics.

    Do you even know what lies under the innocent words of special propaganda?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 February 2018 21: 23
      +3
      http://peacekeeper.ru/ru/?module=news&action=
      view & id = 688
      Here, of course, are common words, but close to the topic.
  25. Suhow
    Suhow 26 February 2018 20: 30
    0
    this is my cherished opinion: if YOU HAVE ALREADY GOT UP, then hold on to the end and give back, and not protests and concerns. Then the "partners" will respect and reckon with your (RF) opinion.
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    1. Russia
      Russia 26 February 2018 21: 42
      +10
      For us, the external enemy, "the daughter of an officer."
    2. flicker
      flicker 26 February 2018 22: 16
      +2
      Quote: inner enemy
      Russian / Soviet / Russian armies have always fought and will fight with heavy losses.

      At a minimum, this means that she had, is and will be capable of fighting an army. Today, few countries are capable of this. Add here new, modern, high-precision weapons, the world's best EW troops, the best air defense systems, and the best strategic nuclear forces.
      As a result of this, we get: the nervous hysteria of the Western media ... the curtain.
      1. internal enemy
        internal enemy 26 February 2018 22: 28
        0
        The fact that everything is going well in the army of the Russian Federation now, but with the economy, then not everything is good, external military spending is growing ...
        1. flicker
          flicker 26 February 2018 23: 12
          +2
          With the economy, yes, not everything is good. At the same time, let it squeak, let it go slowly, but import substitution will take place., I.e. the negative impact of sanctions is weakening. In addition, sanctions are a dependent thing: if Europe refuses Russian gas, it can only replace it with more expensive gas, but we will reorient ourselves to the east (albeit with costs). Costs on both sides, but we are used to them, but Europe is not.
          Along with the growth of external military spending, we get the opportunity to influence the price of oil - we lose somewhere, we find somewhere.
    3. sviazist
      sviazist 26 February 2018 23: 38
      0
      Read Katukov’s memoirs. Opinion is called.
  27. skaramaks27
    skaramaks27 26 February 2018 20: 41
    +2
    "Groysmans" - all went on! this is not your problem. your problems lick! These are our Russian problems.
  28. Strashila
    Strashila 26 February 2018 21: 18
    +1
    Now this plane has everything in theory, but it is being tested in practice ... and in this case there are no exercises.
  29. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 26 February 2018 21: 52
    +3
    Take a look, what a strain on our Su-57 in American posts on youtube! Previously, their specialists looted the topic that he would not appear in the army before 2025, and in general - that this was our fake, and their F-22 Raptor remained king of the sky. The very appearance of the Su-57 in Syria is a blow to them, it is a fact. And a sign of trust to Assad. And a big plus to the plane - there’s already a fighting biography! This is a huge plus! In addition to forcing all improvements and tests on the ground and in the sky.
  30. garpastum75
    garpastum75 26 February 2018 23: 23
    0
    Much has been said, but that’s what personally infuriates me — many didn’t understand, there is a war going on and we are directly involved in it. Of course, you don’t need to “scribble” a lot of mind .... Ask yourself if you are ready for the country protect with arms ..... in Syria!? Here is an American, ready-in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, he has never defended her, darling, on his land. So what, comrades liberalists, you are drooling “reached” “could not reach” “could lose even more” !?
  31. mac789
    mac789 26 February 2018 23: 46
    0
    If East Guta is the answer for Deir ez Zor, then not one PEACEFUL ... THE AMERICAN INSTRUCTOR should not leave it.
  32. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 27 February 2018 06: 05
    0
    Not enough 2 planes, it was necessary to send all 12 pieces there ... the production of diapers would increase.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 27 February 2018 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Valery Saitov
      Not enough 2 planes, it was necessary to send all 12 pieces there ... the production of diapers would increase.

      This is a comic book plane that cannot be shot down, but will he defeat everyone? Where does such confidence come from in the first place, and with whom are they going to fight in the second place? With NATO? So let's ban apples and tomatoes right away.
  33. andrew42
    andrew42 27 February 2018 07: 13
    +3
    The combat experience of using any new military equipment is truly priceless. Passed state tests - to work!
    The country SU-57 is needed not as gold bullion in a bank cell, but as a proven, tested military instrument.
    Otherwise, then the same part of the liberals, which can be called "goodwill," like Yavlinsky and Co., will begin to scream along the lines "how the Soviet Union invested in rockets, and in the village of Neelovo people are starving!" If you don’t check in a battle, you will get Tsushima.
  34. Fidail Mukhamedzyanov
    Fidail Mukhamedzyanov 27 February 2018 09: 07
    0
    "War without losses DO NOT HAPPEN!"
    The direction of the SU-57 to Syria for the "REACTIVITY", what is the RUSSIAN FIFTH GENERATION aircraft - THIS IS A GREAT DECISION. Where, if not in the REAL WAR, EVERYTHING is checked that it is REALLY worth it.
    Wish: QUICKLY, this “check on the roads” would BEGIN and especially on all the “KIDDISHs” and their “ANCESTORS” remaining in Syrian territory in the form of AMERICOSES located on the lands of Syria and their Western “suckers” - hangers-on.
  35. looker-on
    looker-on 27 February 2018 10: 10
    +2
    I think that after landing the Russian Su-57s in Khmeimim, American hot heads somewhat cooled. For the simple reason that the Pentagon knows how to count. And they probably figured out what the American attempt to “gain air supremacy” would turn out not somewhere above the eastern desert, but right in the center of Syria, which is completely controlled by Russian air defense systems, and now also Su-57 fighters.


    Two airplanes and ready-control of the sky laughing

    I haven’t laughed like that for a long time
  36. groks
    groks 27 February 2018 12: 15
    0
    What can be assumed. Just to guess.
    1. As election propaganda, it’s not good. Suddenly they will be knocked down, killed on the ground, ....
    2. Demonstration of the offered for sale. Then it doesn’t matter what will be knocked down, substituting for example a dozen small drones on take-off or sanding in the parking lot from the mortar.
    Who are the buyers? Yes FIG knows. But it seems that the buyer (or rather the customer) rushed our oligarchs from the defense, so the planes were so shoved into Syria. It is possible that the customer can receive information not only from ours, for greater reliability of the data. Are there Indians? No, like. Then buyers can be Turks, Saudis and even Israel.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 27 February 2018 13: 55
      0
      Ruled out. The only potential buyer is India. But this is a matter of a good five years, even if they agree, which is far from a fact.
      1. groks
        groks 27 February 2018 14: 16
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        Well, first you need to show the product, if the customer shows interest, then you can start preparing the production. Otherwise, the project should not be continued. It would also be good for the customer to decide, otherwise Americans from 35 approach and even promise to integrate a couple of online games into the shell, practically for nothing.
    2. zoolu350
      zoolu350 27 February 2018 19: 43
      +1
      How election campaigning works. The oligarch of the Russian Federation plays VA-BANK. And in this case, you can also remove powerful cream (destroying the f-22 air forces of the secondary school and the Zionist (fascist) f-35), and go around the world (having lost Su-57).
  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2018 13: 32
    +1
    As the Supreme said to wet everywhere and even in the grades ... e. Only this they can understand.
    1. groks
      groks 27 February 2018 14: 17
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      Who to wet? These are fighters.
  38. Semen1972
    Semen1972 27 February 2018 15: 50
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    The ship smoked mercilessly in the English Channel, then lost two combat aircraft, which became the reason for a bunch of foolish ridicule on the Internet. In reality, it was a unique and therefore invaluable experience of the first in the history of the military campaign of the domestic aircraft carrier ship. This allowed us to draw a lot of practical lessons and draw sound conclusions for the future. Moreover, the conclusions regarding not only a single combat unit, but the entire Russian fleet! So much for the hee hee!

    Therefore, they train to march on the parade ground, and not at the parade in front of the audience.
  39. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 27 February 2018 16: 28
    +1
    Run in the real combat conditions of the SU-57, it is very right !!! Although not yet fully loaded the SU-35. By the way, they forgot about the MIG-31 .....
    As for the objects for mining, there are plenty of them in Syria. Only Israel is ready to supply us with “targets” ranging from modern aircraft to cruise missiles.
  40. nomonk
    nomonk 27 February 2018 20: 15
    0
    My friends! periodically reading this resource formed a fairly positive opinion about the majority of its participants. I read the article, and most importantly comments on it, and could not resist registering on tw.
    I authoritatively declare that people reasoning like ... why the apparatus not transferred to the series in Syria and why ... what this can give / change, they don’t understand at the root of the principles and stages of putting into operation of arms and military equipment. They do not take into account the importance of gaining experience in operating the SS in combat conditions and, moreover, do not take into account those. tasks issued for a particular product of state. customer and VP. On my own behalf I will say that Syria for SU57 can become a great training ground.
    1. groks
      groks 28 February 2018 07: 50
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      Dear comrade! They could just fly at home. And fly with all the systems turned on, at all speeds and altitudes, without the threat of jumping out to the Jews or Turks. Shoot, bomb, radar shine. But what should they do in Syria?
  41. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 27 February 2018 22: 06
    +1
    The article is correct! In total, “why” in Syria, the Su-57, we do not know and should not know. The assumptions about the run-in of the planes are true, they forgot about the run-in of the pilots on the Su-57, which will teach others how to use combat. If this at the same time scares the "s" and others - it's great!
    1. groks
      groks 28 February 2018 07: 51
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      Which combat? If suddenly fighting, then there will be nobody and nobody to teach.
  42. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 27 February 2018 22: 11
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    The Pentagon has long forgotten how to count.
  43. EvilLion
    EvilLion 28 February 2018 08: 28
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    To build no more than 10 pieces, because it’s expensive, and then carry it along the airfield on a rope, because it’s dangerous, they will suddenly get knocked down, some debris will seize, a bearded man with a mortar will scratch the skin, that’s probably what the people will arrange.
  44. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 28 February 2018 08: 35
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    SU57 SU35 insurance will not be canceled.
    SU57 in Syria is cool, the next move after Armata.
    Intelligence of "partners" of Russia in Syria is now seven days a week.
  45. ilik54
    ilik54 28 February 2018 10: 32
    +1
    SU-57 fighter and it was created for air supremacy. While in Syria, the American domination dare not pop out, and without air supremacy they do not fight. Such a layout, write shorter and more constructive. Fly eagles falcons, grief is full of grief! Ha ha ha Go Russia!
  46. PVL176
    PVL176 28 February 2018 21: 51
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    The conclusion is obvious: window dressing before the election and in response to the defeat of Wagner. Almost meaningless and even harmful. But trump cards less and less, “Kuznetsov” smoked his own, “Caliber” launched. SU-57 flew from hopelessness. Alas...
  47. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 2 March 2018 11: 48
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    And now the most important thing. And why, in fact, something bad must happen with this plane there? Why is there so much “expert” lack of faith?
    And this is in the blood of generations who are used to comparing Soviet and Japanese tape recorders, Soviet and West German cars, etc. ... And current generations just laugh when they are offered to buy a domestic smartphone or computer. Something like this...