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In Bulgaria, dissatisfaction with the behavior of the EU and the USA has increased

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The Bulgarian authorities have ceased to hide their irritation from the behavior of the EU and the USA. In Sofia, at the highest level, they began to make ultimatum statements and even threatened Brussels with retaliatory measures! The members of the Bulgarian government began methodically sending clear messages to Brussels and Washington. "We have fulfilled all the criteria for years. Now, I am convinced that the time has come for you in Brussels to decide on Bulgaria’s accession to Schengen! With all due respect to my friends in Greece, it cannot be that Greece is in Schengen and Bulgaria is not!"- Prime Minister Boyko Borissov said at the Munich Security Conference.

Donated to the Americans. "America is not the same" - said Borisov. And specifically accused Washington of trying to unscrew the hands of the Bulgarians, offering American weapon at inflated prices. “I asked my American colleagues a question! Is it possible to offer us such prices for airplanes and Tanks? " We remind you that the President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev and the Minister of Defense Krasimir Karakachanov recently said that their country had not modernized their army for 27 years already!

Bulgarian Foreign Minister Ekaterina Zakharieva demanded that European officials take Bulgaria to Schengen by the end of this year. This statement of the Bulgarian Minister acquires special weight, given that Bulgaria is currently the EU Presidency. Doors in Schengen remain closed, despite all positive actions and assessments. The European Commission emphasizes that Bulgaria fulfills all the technical conditions for joining the Schengen. However, Germany and France constantly express their “doubts” about the reception of Bulgaria and Romania.

According to opinion polls, EU membership is rated positively by 57% of Bulgarians. Only 14% are negative, and one fourth has a neutral position. The level of support is quite high due to the significant success achieved by the Bulgarian economy over the past 5 years (steady growth of 3,6-3,9%). So, for example - Bulgaria’s GDP in 2017 year exceeded the bar of 50 billion euros, which is a record for the whole stories country! For 2018, the year projected GDP in 52 billion euros. At the same time, the unemployment rate fell to 5,6%. Wages, although 5-6 are lagging behind German ones, are nevertheless in second place in terms of growth among the EU countries. 20 years ago, this difference was 18-20 times. The financial condition in the country today is stable. By the ratio of external public debt to GDP, Bulgaria is among the top three EU countries with the best performance. The fact is impressive - in view of the fact that 27 years ago Bulgaria came out of the era of socialism bankrupt (in the 90s declared a moratorium on payments on foreign loans), gold reserves of EUR / BN were collected in the treasury. Despite these good results, the Bulgarians still have the feeling that in the EU they are viewed as second-class people. After all, the West does not like that Bulgarians are the most Russophilic people in the EU with a level of sympathy for Russia, according to various opinion polls, from 22,5 to 76%!
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 25 February 2018 06: 38
    +41
    Peter beautifully described the discontent and Russophilia of the Bulgarians.
    Now let a little fly in your barrel of honey toss.
    Bulgaria twice participated in the war against RUSSIA ... it will also be the third time.
    Further, Bulgaria joined the sanctions against Russia, and as I see it, it does not intend to get out of them ... it loves Russia just so much that it is ready to strangle it in its arms.
    Further, Bulgaria by its actions prevented the construction of the South Stream, contrary to the interests of RUSSIA and Bulgaria itself for the sake of the Germans and the USA ... hehe she loves us so much, she loves so much that she’s ready to put sticks under the wheels anywhere ... Bulgaria is so Russophile.
    Perhaps at the household level, some of the Bulgarians treat Russians well, but that’s where it ends ... then the Russophobic policy against our country begins to please Washington and Brussels.
    Naive gentlemen, the Bulgarians, we have not suffered for a long time ... we judge by your affairs.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 February 2018 06: 46
      +17
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Naive gentlemen, the Bulgarians, we have not suffered for a long time ... we judge by your affairs.

      the Bulgarians were unhappy with the Turks, Germans, Russians ... now the Americans and the entire European Union ... are they generally happy with anyone?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 25 February 2018 06: 51
        +12
        are they generally happy with anyone?


        The Bulgarian government has a purely mercantile interest in its owners.
        I am sure once the power of Brussels and Washington is weakened and the cash flow from them ends, Bulgaria instantly transforms into a jump and starts purring under the nose of another owner ... this is the reality.
        1. Logall
          Logall 25 February 2018 06: 56
          +5
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Bulgaria instantly transforms into a jump and begins to purr under the nose of another owner.

          Turkey? Who will purr? Russia - hardly ... But there is nobody else!
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 25 February 2018 07: 03
            +5
            Turkey?

            If the Turks pay for a banquet in BULGARIA ... smile purr to them.
      2. Awaz
        Awaz 25 February 2018 10: 59
        +12
        have you seen somewhere that the whores were happy with the pimp?
        However, I did not mean to say this. The Russian media and even our resource here constantly talk with horror about the Bulgarian reality and the horrors of life in the EU, however, in the article this is just the opposite ... It turns out that Bulgaria received an impetus for development in the EU and progress is evident .. .
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 11: 35
          +11
          have you seen somewhere that the whores were happy with the pimp?

          It smells like a violation of the rules of the site ... No.
          The Russian media and even our resource here constantly talk with horror about the Bulgarian reality and the horrors of life in the EU, however, in the article this is just the opposite ... It turns out that Bulgaria received an impetus for development in the EU and progress is evident .. .

          Fine. The media play a major role in the information war. "Everything is bad there" and there is a basic light motive! wink
          In reality, the situation is different. The Bulgarian socialist economy was focused on 90% on the Soviet market. No wonder they called Bulgaria the 16 Republic. When the USSR collapsed, Bulgaria was trapped! What was going on in Russia then was even worse in Bulgaria! Until 2007 g. / Entry into the EU / country survived by selling its assets. Not all, since most of the socialist heritage was not suitable for working market conditions. After joining the EU, the situation began to change for the better! 15 billion euros of subsidies have flowed in and active logistics are underway to transform the economy into market conditions! There is a problem (they are related to our typical Balkan mentality), but success is noticeable too! We can objectively admit that EU assistance saved Bulgaria! Bulgaria is now the poorest country in the EU, but compare with the catastrophic situation in 90! We were bankrupt then! The difference in living standards between the latter (Romania and Bulgaria) and the more developed EU countries is decreasing.
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 25 February 2018 12: 24
            +6
            pytar- no offense. I respect the Bulgarian people with all due respect. I meant the authorities. I apologize again
            1. pytar
              25 February 2018 12: 34
              +6
              I understood! Always glad to constructive criticism! good
          2. alatanas
            alatanas 26 February 2018 17: 31
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            Themselves "bankrupt". First, Lukanov (plant Ran & Kom), then privatization (Kostov), ​​as a result of everything: "a woman wept at an empty trough ...", although it all started a little earlier, when Gorbachev decided to suck dollars from the CMEA countries.
            1. pytar
              26 February 2018 18: 30
              0
              In general, it is. With one little detail. Socialism and the ego created by the econoics were chronically ineffective with a bunch of parameters. RanT finished off what could have been saved. Though hardly, it could. To reformat the non-market economy in the market, there was a huge investment needed. It turned out to be easier to chop into rubbish and sell by weight. Advised and helped. wink
              1. iouris
                iouris 3 March 2018 13: 55
                0
                Quote: pytar
                Socialism and the ego created by the econoics were chronically ineffective with a bunch of parameters.

                This is not proven. But it is proved that US debt exceeds $ 20 trillion and no one is going to give it back. Is it an efficient economy? And who finances the United States and the West? It is clear that Bulgaria is not a showcase of capitalism, but a resource country.
                1. pytar
                  3 March 2018 15: 31
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                  This is not proven.

                  Socialism in the same form in which it was ceased to exist. Fact. This is evidence of the ego of not being effective.
                  But it is proved that US debt exceeds 20 trillions of dollars and no one is going to give it back. Is it an efficient economy?

                  I agree. Fact! By the way, socialism at its sunset also sank into debt. Capitalism turned out to be more effective, in view of the fact that it was ocelled even in the presence of such colossal debts!
                  And who finances the United States and the West?

                  The very same financed by the socialist countries. World Bank Capital.
                  It is clear that Bulgaria is not a showcase of capitalism, but a resource country.

                  It is also clear that Bulgaria was not a showcase of socialism. And since Bulgaria has few resources, it can hardly be called a resource country. Actually ... Bulgaria is unique in itself. She is the cradle of Orthodox Slavic civilization.
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 25 February 2018 11: 54
        0
        They are satisfied with those who protect and feed them. It has always been so in countries along the border of the rift of Slavic and Anglo-Saxon civilizations. winked
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 12: 30
          +3
          They are satisfied with those who protect and feed them.

          The thesis that someone feeds has no foundation. The economic assistance from the EU aims to reorganize the Bulgarian economy on a market principle, moreover, in those sectors where Bulgaria has advantages in view of its specificity. All economic unions have such programs! TS is also not an exception! As for the "protects", yes ... Bulgaria is a small country (110 thousand square kilometers, 7 million people) and is located geographically at the crossroads of geopolitical interests. She alone cannot ensure her safety.
          It has always been so in countries along the border of the rift of Slavic and Anglo-Saxon civilizations.

          Also a very controversial thesis! Most Slavic countries do not belong and will never be part of the Anglo-Saxon world, despite the fact that they are in the EU. The EU has become less and less “Anglo-Saxon” over time. Now Great Britain has already left it! The Slavic world is not a monopoly of Russia! It is more Slavs outside Russia than in it! request
          1. iouris
            iouris 3 March 2018 13: 57
            0
            Quote: pytar
            The economic assistance from the EU aims to reorganize the Bulgarian economy on a market principle, moreover, in those sectors where Bulgaria has advantages in view of its specifics

            This is not proven. Bulgaria has no advantages. Your "sectors" are not needed by the EU.
            1. pytar
              3 March 2018 15: 39
              0
              This is not proven. Bulgaria has no advantages. Your "sectors" are not needed by the EU.

              For you, maybe so. But for 57% of the Bulgarians THIS is proved! People living in their own country know better than you what the real situation is. Judging instead is not worth it. hi
      4. 97110
        97110 25 February 2018 13: 09
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        are they generally happy with anyone?

        Real Russian people!
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 25 February 2018 09: 53
      +8
      And here the Bulgarians. Romanians ... We must live in our country. The problems of the people of our country ... its individual people. And not the problems of the whole world.
      More national egoism !!
      Ready to help everyone and forgive everything and live in the mud ..
      Recently ran into the saying: "*** We have been corrupted, forcing to empathize with various national liberation revolutions overseas, demanding sympathy for the unemployed and destitute somewhere in America or Cuba. At the same time, real human suffering was poured literally nearby - in some An extinct Russian village, an old Moscow communal apartment, at a train station, in a nursing home. Kindness must come from within a person and society. You cannot order to be kind. Kindness is a moral category of soul. Sometimes I am amazed by loud calls - to be kind, merciful, philanthropic. All this is a game It can be a merciful society, where everyone who is close to the distribution of life’s goods, uses them primarily himself, where there is an unspoken appeal - give me more! Each person is uniquely interesting, regardless of whether he lives in sight or not noticed others. A person is surprisingly interesting precisely at the moment of resistance, overcoming himself. Or, rather, the statement of something important in itself when it is necessary to decide the eternal Hamletian "to be or not to be." I am sure that any of us is unexpected, paradoxical. Only the paradox of some carries the good, of others - sometimes even dangerous. "

      (From the notebooks of Evgeny Evstigneev. About the profession, about time ... about myself)
    3. pytar
      25 February 2018 10: 54
      +5
      Hi Lech! According to your "list" I will answer! hi
      Peter beautifully described the discontent and Russophilia of the Bulgarians.

      Discontent with the authorities arises from the fact that Brussels is due to purely mercantile impulses that refuse to accept Bulgaria into Schengen.
      People are satisfied with EU membership. Everyone sees and appreciates the benefits. 14% dissatisfied gather from the age group for 50 years.
      Russophilia is traditional among Bulgarians and I would say genetic. The economy is connected with the EU, and cultural and historical ties are strong with Russia. As for the political elite, there are all sorts of trends, but healthy pragmatism rules.
      Now let a little fly in your barrel of honey toss. Bulgaria twice participated in the war against RUSSIA ... it will also be the third time.

      There is no topic about Bulgaria where these essentially wrong theses are not thrown! Like a carbon paper! I am not surprised, since this is connected with some political trends in Russia and their "informational" component.
      1. In WWI, Bulgaria defended its national ideals - the liberation and unification of the lands inhabited by the Bulgarian population. Russia, being an ally of our (and its) worst enemies, found itself on the other side of the front! Bulgaria did not send an army to Russian soil. All battles were fought on the territory of the Bolkans, among Bulgarian villages and the city.
      2. Bulgaria, although formally an ally of Germany, did not fight against the USSR in WWII. Countries supported norms. deep relations. After September 44, Bulgaria with a half-million army participated in the war against Fasciska Germany.
      3. In WWI, a Bulgarian soldier defended his homeland! Who came to us as an enemy was greeted as an enemy! In WWII, Hitler did not manage to force the Bulgarians to fight against the USSR. I don’t see how it will turn out now, under the assumption that a war between NATO and the Russian Federation is almost impossible. The planet will burn into a thermonuclear flame!
      Further, Bulgaria joined the sanctions against Russia, and as I see it, it does not intend to get out of them ... it loves Russia just so much that it is ready to strangle it in its arms.

      "Joined", but in fact the exchange of goods between the BG and the Russian Federation is growing with 12-14% every year! Your politicians say this is good for Russia, as it stimulates the eo economy! So where does the claim to Bulgaria? We must thank us if we listen to your superiors! wink
      Further, Bulgaria by its actions impeded the construction of the South Stream, contrary to the interests of RUSSIA and Bulgaria itself to please the Germans and the USA ..

      There is probably no other topic in rus-media on which the truth is so distorted! For 4 of the year I worked with the Bulgarian side on the project and in the know. What they write in Russian media and reality are dramatically different.
      Perhaps at the household level, some of the Bulgarians treat Russians well, but that’s where it ends ... then the Russophobic policy against our country begins to please Washington and Brussels. Naive gentlemen, the Bulgarians, we have not suffered for a long time ... we judge by your affairs.

      At the household level, everything is fine, Lech! Half a million Russians have acquired real estate in Bulgaria and live here. Mixed Bulgarian-Russian marriages account for 90% of all marriages from a foreign woman. Russian language is known by 25-30% of Bulgarians. As for politics (Russian, Bulgarian, Zanzibar ...) it is ambiguous and is governed by other laws! I will frankly say that the Bulgarians also have a sobering attitude towards understanding the true goals of Russian politics at the Balkans.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 25 February 2018 11: 01
        +2
        Hello Peter! hi
        Personally, I have no complaints against the Bulgarians ... but there are complaints against your government and I wanted to cover this topic in more detail ... so to speak, to separate flies from cutlets ... write more articles about your homeland ... put it on VO ... thanks in advance hi

        I will tell you frankly that the Bolsheviks of the Bulgarians also have a sobering attitude towards the true goals of Russian politics at the Balkans. Idealism goes ...
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 11: 46
          +4
          but there are complaints against your government and I wanted to cover this topic in more detail ... so to speak, to separate flies from cutlets ... write more articles about your homeland ... post it to VO ... thanks in advance

          Yes, this is an interesting idea! Moreover, now in Bulgaria there is a unique political coalition from the pro-European (GERB), national-patriotic (VMRO) and frankly anti-NATO pro-Russophile (Attack) parties! Socialists (BSP) and Turks (DPS) were on board! The most interesting thing is that at first glance the “cocktail” of incompatibility works quite well! In addition, the Minister, Chairman B. Borisov, is pro-European, and the President, Gen. R. Radev - stands for rapprochement with Russia. The topic for the article is real! yes good
      2. Sargas
        Sargas 28 February 2018 19: 15
        +1
        The news was that last summer at the NATO exercises, the Bulgarians refused to shoot at the targets depicting Russian soldiers, saying "Bulgarians do not shoot at Russians!"
        The organizers apologized and replaced the targets.
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    6. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 14
      +4
      Reading your revelations, only one thing can be stated - you are completely unclear what you are writing about. And yet - at the household level, some Russians may and are good towards the Bulgarians, but at the forum level - a solid negative.
      1. pilot69
        pilot69 26 February 2018 14: 50
        +3
        And you do not read before lunch some of the local members of the forum .... however, after lunch, too hi
        There are many lovers of "picking" in history now, mind you, do not study, generalize and draw conclusions for the future, namely, "picking" ...
        So none of them notices that during the WWII the USSR was an ally ... and with whom? With the "evil empire" itself - the USA, Great Britain. Horror am
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 26 February 2018 15: 06
          +4
          I completely agree with you. But indigestion from some writings on VO is not a reason to bypass the rudeness of their authors.

          By the way - honesty and respect to you!
          1. pilot69
            pilot69 26 February 2018 15: 29
            +3
            Naturally, one must answer to rudeness. In Russia there was such an option - a candelabra ... But in the internet, unfortunately, this is not at all possible. Than many successfully use it. Honestly, it disturbs from some statements of some individuals. As a former employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I can say that sometimes he pulls on the article "inciting ethnic hatred."
            But it’s all the same nice that people from other countries appear on the Russian-language website, writing in Russian with their own opinion, but have never rolled down to such a thing.
            Mmm ... many of the "Israeli couch platoon" it does not concern request
          2. pilot69
            pilot69 26 February 2018 20: 15
            +2
            By the way - honor and respect for you and your compatriots here on the site, you have never dropped to the level of many here. And different opinions - for that and different opinions, which would argue and establish the truth (well, or try to do it)
            Best regards hi
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 26 February 2018 23: 07
              +1
              Candelabra beat sharpies when stolen cards. And this is not allowed for rudeness :) Here you need to clean the snout in the most natural way. But the truth is that it’s not worth it.

              Yours! hi
    7. antivirus
      antivirus 27 February 2018 07: 58
      0
      and what do you want from the country-vestibule between the main countries of Eurasia ??
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 27 February 2018 12: 01
        +1
        And this asks a resident of a country where the minimum wage is much lower than the said vestibule. Go ahead, my dear. Here is not a place for general discussion.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 27 February 2018 16: 06
          0
          I didn’t even come close to you, my dear. I'm sitting in my swamp.
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 27 February 2018 16: 37
            +2
            Then, dear man, sit there and do not crow.
            Yours!
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 27 February 2018 19: 14
              0
              everyone will live his life
              look in your direction
              many get smarter by old age
              do you have a lot of eggs? if about crowing remember
              1. Mac Simka
                Mac Simka 27 February 2018 22: 49
                +3
                And your poems of that quality as well as the comments are awful. Better choose a different vocation for yourself.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 28 February 2018 08: 35
                  0
                  set + to maintain the ego
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 February 2018 06: 52
    +6
    Bulgaria wants a Schengen. They want to work in Europe. But there is no work in Europe for them ... It is not enough at all, this work. The Italians are eager for Germany. The French are not torn anywhere, but they are DIFFICULT with migrants. Paris is already a big mess ... I saw it myself wassat
    And then there are the Bulgarians ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 February 2018 06: 59
      +6
      Paris is already a big dump

      Yeah smile garbage in this Western civilization is a problem ... and migrants with an indescribable aroma are not measured ... they remind us of our homeless people.


      Good old and clean Europe is a thing of the past what
      1. pytar
        25 February 2018 11: 10
        +2
        Western civilization is a problem ... and migrants with an indescribable aroma are not measured ... they remind us of our homeless people.

        For Bulgaria, the problem with immigrants does not exist. And there are homeless people where there is capitalism. It is so in Russia ...
        1. 97110
          97110 25 February 2018 13: 54
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          It is so in Russia ...

          In the USSR, homeless people ozonized air and created an indescribable sound background much stronger than what happens in capitalist Russia. Or they were poisoned with a piano (alcohol from the EU)? They even managed to cope with the failed president ... Let’s recall from the onset of capitalism, we will express gratitude to the bourgeois on behalf of the service ...
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 25 February 2018 09: 08
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And then there are the Bulgarians.

      Let’s not forget about the “zarobitchan”, who, by hook or by crook, in lace shorts seep into the “tolerant paradise” in pursuit of a large hryvnia ...
      And also caravans of boat rafts from northern Africa and the Middle East are chock-full of bearded-black-large families fleeing to the same paradise from the devastation arranged by their countries by the masters of "paradise" lol .
      Euro boiler already stinks decently from different "ingredients" request
    3. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 09
      +1
      Bulgaria wants a Schengen. They want to work in Europe.

      No problem for Bulgarians with work in the EU. Schengen is a little higher with the bureaucracy. The unemployment rate in Bulgaria is steadily decreasing. In 2017, she is record low! The opposite trend is also observed! Many who have worked for the West and have accumulated money return and open their business to their homeland. Due to the lowest taxes, Bulgaria also attracts foreign investors. The situation, though slowly changing for the better.
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 26 February 2018 17: 40
        0
        Many who have worked for the West and have accumulated money come back and open their business to their homeland

        In my opinion Nomany!
        Please take off your pink glasses.
        1. pytar
          26 February 2018 18: 32
          0
          Believe me ... I don’t have pink glasses. laughing It's just that for me the cup is half full. wink Everything will be fine, although without squeaks we can’t get through.
          1. Mac Simka
            Mac Simka 26 February 2018 23: 11
            +1
            The problem is that even after returning to Bulgaria those who have accumulated money (meager admittedly) there is no way to open production. Workshops for the production of gear are not considered. They will be outstripped throughout Bulgaria by a seedy factory in any Chinese village. The problem for all Eastern Europe lies in the lack of personnel. They went to Western Europe. So there is almost no one to work in high-tech industries here.
            1. pytar
              26 February 2018 23: 43
              0
              Maxim, the time will come and those who have learned to the best standard of behavior and doing business will return! A lot of capable young people study in the West. Not everyone will return, but I am convinced that many will return with the baggage of knowledge that will be useful for the country. It is clear that they will not return because of altruism. I’ll say that there will be another reason ... We will not get better than to the West. To the west it will become worse than ours! bully
    4. Jmbg
      Jmbg 26 February 2018 23: 50
      +1
      My daughter fell in love with a Romanian living in England, went to him. On the 3rd day after arrival, they recorded in a personal doctor, on the 10th day the number of the social inspection, on the 18th day they took at work in O2 - a large telecom. Conducted training, yesterday was the first working day. Here is such a work plaster.
      1. pytar
        27 February 2018 10: 13
        0
        I wish your daughter family happiness and success in life! good I read your comments on other topics - Respect from me! hi
      2. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 27 February 2018 16: 41
        0
        Having experience in the UK, it must be said that she was lucky. Although for the fact that she was already given insurance on the 10th day. Too quick for the British.
        Anyway, however - good luck to her in the Land of Fogs!
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 February 2018 06: 58
    +3
    For that fought for it and ran. angry
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 12
      +5
      For that fought for it and ran.

      Read again about the parameters of the Bulgarian economy over the past 5 years! The results are good! Problems are also enough, but they have a different fundamental character.
  4. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 25 February 2018 07: 01
    +1
    I don’t understand why Bulgaria needs to spend money on its army. She is a member of NATO, and annually contributes 2% of the funds from her GDP.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 25 February 2018 07: 29
      +4
      These 2% can and will be used for the acquisition and deployment of weapons, for example, in Poland and the Baltic states.
      1. Russia
        Russia 25 February 2018 07: 44
        +9
        As well as relocation and maintenance of troops, funding exercises. hi
    2. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 14
      +2
      I don’t understand why Bulgaria needs to spend money on its army. She is a member of NATO, and annually contributes 2% of the funds from her GDP.

      27 years of the military budget of Bulgaria revolves around 1%! We need to update weapons in stages. 2% will be fine. Not for aggression, this is done.
      1. shvn
        shvn 25 February 2018 11: 55
        +1
        And from whom will the “updated” army protect? Surely the Turks again want to take Bulgaria under their protectorate? So both of you are in NATO. How can)))
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 12: 42
          +3
          And from whom will the “updated” army protect? Surely the Turks again want to take Bulgaria under their protectorate? So both of you are in NATO. How can)))

          Erdogan Turkey is indeed an unstable factor for all of its neighbors! Here the graters from the Turks from Greece to the Aegean Sea escalated! I suspect that in the not too distant future, Russia will also have serious problems with the Turks ... There are so many “sworn friends” in terms of GDP and ERD, but ... we understand the conjuncture of such “friendship!” wink
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 February 2018 00: 04
      +1
      Funds for maintaining the NATO apparatus are relatively small. These 1 or 2% are defense spending, not mythical contributions to the nonexistent "NATO budget." After all, there are no NATO troops as such. There are American, Turkish, Polish, etc. armed forces. Some of them are part of the combined forces of NATO.
  5. jovanni
    jovanni 25 February 2018 07: 17
    +5
    After all, the West does not like that the Bulgarians are the most Russophile people


    Why do the Russophile people need tanks and planes? After all, Russia was appointed by the West as enemies ...
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 16
      +4
      Why do the Russophile people need tanks and planes? After all, Russia was appointed by the West as enemies ...

      In Bulgaria, no one doesn’t perceive Russia as an enemy! Who appointed whom the enemy, we are not interested. Tanks and aircraft needed in quantity to guarantee national sovereignty. Switzerland, for example, is the most militarized state in the world, despite the fact that no one is going to attack it!
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 25 February 2018 11: 27
        +1
        Is Switzerland part of NATO?
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 12: 46
          +3
          Strange question ... request Switzerland is a symbol of neutrality! She is a rich country and can afford to arm herself to the teeth, as a guarantee for her neutrality! Bulgaria is not rich, therefore, prefers membership in a collective military alliance. After 90, the Russian Federation never offered protection to the Bulgarians in view of the military alliance or the treaty. request
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 25 February 2018 12: 59
            +1
            Therefore, Switzerland is arming itself, as it is not part of the NATO bloc. Why do you need to arm yourself? You pay tribute, and the Yankees are protecting you for this.
            1. pytar
              25 February 2018 13: 17
              +2
              Therefore, Switzerland is arming itself, as it is not part of the NATO bloc. Why do you need to arm yourself? You pay tribute, and the Yankees are protecting you for this.

              Because we are not Switzerland with its golden mountains! During Sots, as a member of the ATS, we spent 25-30% of GDP on weapons! In your opinion, this was also a tribute, while colossal!
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 02: 41
                0
                Ooh ho laughing . Please link to allegedly 25-30% of the Bulgarian economy’s spending on the army. Otherwise, earn the stigma of a demagogue and slumber.
                1. pytar
                  26 February 2018 10: 25
                  +1
                  Oho-ho, Kot_Kuzya, there are extensive studies on this issue. I read some of them in Bulgarian and on paper. I really didn’t look on the Internet. The numbers vary. As a base for comparison: According to the information of world institutes of strategic research, after the signing of the Helsinki understanding and the reduction of the confrontation between NATO and the ATS after the 70, the United States spends about 6% of GDP on defense, Great Britain - 5%, and the USSR 11-13%! These expenses do not include a number of indirect and undeclared military expenditures. For example, the military help “revolutionary movements” around the world or construction of dual-use objects. Spend billions on the international help of Bulgaria! There are public decisions of the Bulgarian parliament, for example, from 2005 where debts of such countries by hundreds of millions of US dollars are written off by name and line by line! In general, the numbers in the category 25-30% are obtained. An interesting fact is that the “oportionist” Ceauestka at that time urged all countries that signed the ChS to lower them. expenditures for 5%, referring primarily to socialist expenditures, since their real expenditures are percent higher than NATO by 2-2,5 times. Fact - all ATS countries receive subsidies for armaments from the USSR. For example, for the period 1956-1965, Romania receives 712 million rubles, 2 billion. Bulgaria receives the smallest amount - 404 million rubles. In such a short statement, the whole situation cannot be described. In general, this question is worth writing a separate article.
                  Satisfies you my answer or not, it makes no difference to me. fellow And how you will brand and name-calling me, it makes no difference to me. yes Here in VO there is a whole cohort branding everything and everyone. Hollow breeds are shorter. laughing
                  1. Kot_Kuzya
                    Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 10: 54
                    0
                    Oho-ho-ho :)))). The military budget of 25-30% for a Belligerent country is unrealistic.
                    1. pytar
                      26 February 2018 11: 31
                      0
                      Oho-ho-ho :)))). The military budget of 25-30% for a Belligerent country is unrealistic.

                      "ohohoho" ... cheerful people! laughing
                      Okay, let's not argue for a percentage! This is not so important. At the same time, defense spending during the Cold WAR was ten times higher than now.
                      1. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 11: 46
                        0
                        Moreover, defense spending during the cold WAR was ten times higher than now ..
                        So you say that the GDP of Bulgaria under socialism was ten times higher than the GDP of modern Bulgaria?
                    2. pytar
                      26 February 2018 12: 38
                      0
                      So you say that the GDP of Bulgaria under socialism was ten times higher than the GDP of modern Bulgaria?

                      Cat Kuzya ... sorry, are you ok ??? Where do I say this? what
                      Sots adherents, taking advantage of the office. statisticians from that time insist that the GDP of the BG in 2012 is 42% of the GDP in 1989. Opponents say that these statistics do not reflect the true situation, since miscalculations were made in conventional currency units, which have little in common with reality . The Bulgarian socialist lion, did not have material support and was not convertible. The current lion, the currency board is pegged to the euro (~ 2: 1). Whichever of these opinions we would accept, a simple calculation shows that the entire military expenditures to GDP with social benefits were ten times higher than now. It does not even need to be counted! It is enough to look at the public data on the composition and armament of the SUA, then BA now. During the cold war, there were enemies around! Near and around the world! We armed ourselves to the teeth! Huge resources were spent on military needs! Now Bulgaria has the best relations with neighbors in history! It is not good to be completely unarmed, but spending a quarter of your money on weapons is also not necessary! Is it difficult for you to understand such simple things ??? belay
                      1. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 13: 07
                        0
                        So haven't you written this?
                        During Sots, as a member of the ATS, we spent 25-30% of GDP on weapons!

                        And after a while you write:
                        At the same time, defense spending during the cold WAR were ten times higher than now.

                        Since you are now a member of NATO, pay 2% of the defense contribution, this is approximately 10-15 times less than what you said under socialism. And since you claim that under socialism, defense spending was ten times higher, and "ten times" at least 3-4 dozen, the GDP of socialist Bulgaria, it turns out, was at least 2-3 times higher than today's Bulgaria . Is it clear?
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                    4. pytar
                      26 February 2018 15: 43
                      0
                      Since you are now a member of NATO, pay 2% of the defense contribution, this is approximately 10-15 times less than what you said under socialism. And since you claim that under socialism, defense spending was ten times higher, and "ten times" at least 3-4 dozen, the GDP of socialist Bulgaria, it turns out, was at least 2-3 times higher than today's Bulgaria . Is it clear?

                      Kuzya, go back to elementary school ... How much algebra do you have? wink
                      Recalculation of GDP of BG during soc in the current currency is an ungrateful matter, so let's take the official state exchange rate for 1989 - 1,17 soc. BGN = 1 $ To simplify, we will not take into account the depreciation of the dollar over the past years, as it is ~ compensated by the real absence of foreign exchange coverage from the social. BGN The figure is 40 bln. For 89, I take GDP from another forum member here. My opponent and sonarodnik Kostadinov. I believe him, even with all his other discussions I do not agree.
                      Accordingly, 40 billion social leva GDP 1989 g. = 34,2 billion. $
                      Now GDP ------------------------------------------- 61,5 billion. $
                      And so ... it turns out ...
                      (2017 g.) 61,5 billion $ X 2% = 1,23 billion $
                      (1989 g.) 46,8 billion $ X 20% = 9,36 billion $
                      or at
                      (2017 g.) 61,5 billion $ X 1% = 0,6 billion $
                      (1989 g.) 46,8 billion $ X 25% = 11,7 billion $
                      I will not argue there 1 or 2% and 20 or 25%! But what is higher at times, it is understandable! We basically talk after all! bully
                      1. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 26 February 2018 16: 02
                        0
                        And where did 20% of GDP’s defense spending come from?
                      2. alatanas
                        alatanas 26 February 2018 17: 53
                        0
                        Under socialism: 1 bread (900 gr.) = 0,29 BGN, cigarettes BT = 0,60 BGN
                        Now: 1 bread (650 gr.) ~ = 1,10 BGN., Cigarettes Wictory = 5 BGN.
                        My "lieutenant" salary was NET = 240 BGN (engineering at that time 130 - 140 BGN), now (engineering mine) = 800 BGN.
                        Count how much it is in bread or cigarettes.
                    5. pytar
                      26 February 2018 16: 28
                      0
                      If my memory doesn’t fail me in terms of the Stolholm ISI and others, how did the military spending figure vary about 13-15% ?! Indirect costs / infrastructure, free supplies of Bulgarian weapons for revolutionary movements around the world, etc., were not taken into account. One can argue how accurate this data is, because the real information was military secret. But there is an objective fact on the acquisition of thousands of units of armored vehicles, hundreds of aircraft, ships, etc.! I mentioned somewhere else, as an example of prices for the purchase of 22 MiG-29 x 11 million transferable rubles apiece. How much does the MiG-29 cost in a modern configuration? T-72? Do you have info?
                  2. pytar
                    26 February 2018 10: 55
                    +1
                    amendment: Poland - 2 billion rubles
              2. antivirus
                antivirus 27 February 2018 08: 06
                0
                prize in the studio.
                Be happy at NATO.
                While there is life there is hope!?
                35% - that’s who kept the United States and Canada at 80 g!
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 26 February 2018 07: 37
            0
            Quote: pytar
            The Russian Federation never after the 90s offered protection to the Bulgarians in view of the military alliance or the agreement.

            Oxymoron ... Russia has offered military assistance to a NATO member
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 26 February 2018 08: 11
              +3
              And when, after the dissolution of the ATS and BEFORE Bulgaria entered NATO, did such talk take place?
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 26 February 2018 09: 20
                +1
                Quote: Mac Simka
                And when, after the dissolution of the ATS and BEFORE Bulgaria entered NATO, did such talk take place?

                To be honest, I don’t know.
                Counter-question: "Did Bulgaria seek such negotiations, or did all the former allies spit on Russia and aspire to Europe?"
                In those years, we ourselves, sadly not to realize this, needed help. But everyone turned away from us and tried to make them outcasts. However, as now. And where is the support? Or only Russia owes everything?
                I do not want to offend you, but there are such questions. It is necessary to understand. Help.
                1. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 26 February 2018 10: 19
                  +2
                  Bulgaria in 1993-1996 actively promoted the idea of ​​a gas and oil pipeline from Burgas to Alexandroupolis. And this was considered a sufficient guarantee for the National Security. However, then no one actively promoted this in the Russian Federation. They realized it after 1997, but in a truncated version as a branch to Turkey.
                  Actually, the topic of relationships at that time was too extensive. In addition, we must not forget that the second essentially color revolution took place precisely in Bulgaria in 1996-97.
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            2. pytar
              26 February 2018 10: 32
              +1
              Oxymoron ... Russia has offered military assistance to a NATO member

              Bulgaria joins NATO in 2004 under the influence of Yugoslav events. At that time, the Russian Federation was actively involved in all partner programs with NATO and did not consider the pact as an enemy. From the period of 1991 g. / Distribution of ATS / to 2004 g. Of the Russian Federation there is no active interest in Bulgaria and does not offer military cooperation outside NATO partnership programs! Moreover, on requests from the Bulgarian side, he replies that "the balkans are supervised by the United States, address them." Oksu-moksu but the situation is ... wink
  6. andrewkor
    andrewkor 25 February 2018 07: 28
    +7
    We are waiting with the “little brothers” with comments on the article. Their strongest argument in Russophilia is that their “soldiers” allegedly refused to shoot at the “Russian” targets during the exercises of the NATO aggressive bloc. For Schengen, they sold the soul to the Devil and flew, as it were, without lace cowards remained. Oh, the Slavs, the Slavs!
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 19
      +3
      Squeeze the little brothers in quotation marks! Such as you andrewkor we are not bro! Our brothers are Russian! Those that are well-intentioned and are not led according to the schemes of the information war. wink
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 25 February 2018 12: 59
        +4
        You, "little brothers," are now safe under the wing of NATO and on the Iskander’s sight from the Crimea, sit quietly in your hole do not protrude!
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 13: 21
          +6
          You "bros" are now safe under the wing of NATO and at the sight of the Iskander from Crimea ...

          I watch Russian tourists in our Black Sea coast in no way afraid of the Iskander! And they buy houses and sunbathe well!

          ... sit quietly in your hole do not protrude!

          There is a good Russian proverb: "Do not say what I need to do, and I will not say where you need to go" wink
        2. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 17
          +2
          What are you "brother" sofa Iskander thrower
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 27 February 2018 08: 11
            0
            everyone here understands EVERYTHING correctly. the choice is made.
            on the other side are the barriers of Blgria.
            "Oak tree, rose flower. Death is inevitable .."
            1. pytar
              27 February 2018 10: 01
              0
              everyone here understands EVERYTHING correctly. the choice is made. on the other side of Blgria's barriers.
              "Oak tree, rose flower. Death is inevitable .."

              A classic example of black and white, (Daltonic) thinking. “Who is not with us, he is against us!”, “Barrier” dividing the world into blacks (they) and white (we). In such a necrotic session, even the "oak ... flower ..." associated with death. fool
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 27 February 2018 10: 41
                0
                there is no half-life and half-death.
                everything else is possible in semitones.
                IS BLAGARIAN NEUTRALITY IN NATO WAR AGAINST IRAN OR CHINA POSSIBLE?
                And AGAINST RUSSIA? - if there is a military transport - then they will hit them in Plovdiv (Tarnovo) or Varna - how do you perceive this?
                will you fight against Serbia?
                1. pytar
                  27 February 2018 11: 00
                  +1
                  there is no half-life and half-death.

                  There is birth (light), there is death (darkness)! Between them is life! She is multicolor!
                  IS BLAGARIAN NEUTRALITY IN NATO WAR AGAINST IRAN OR CHINA POSSIBLE?

                  Watching who attacks whom! Bulgaria is not required to participate if a NATO member country attacks another country! Here Turkey essentially attacked Syria! We are not neutral.
                  And AGAINST RUSSIA? - if there is a military transport - then they will hit them in Plovdiv (Tarnovo) or Varna - how do you perceive this?

                  Same! Is Russia going to attack NATO? In general, is war possible between the Russian Federation and NATO, provided that we blow up the entire planet, once and for all?
                  will you fight against Serbia?

                  Esli Serbia will attack us or Macedonia, then YES! I personally will take Kalash and volunteer! In any case, Serbia has already steamed and will not attack anyone. We now have the best relations with the Serbs in history!
                  1. Mac Simka
                    Mac Simka 27 February 2018 12: 06
                    +1
                    Peter, yes he is a child. Nothing is trying to explain to the younger ones that in addition to black and white there is still a bunch of colors in the palette.
                    1. pytar
                      27 February 2018 14: 53
                      +1
                      Yes, I bring them up here, and for free! Altruist Tipo ... laughing
                      1. Mac Simka
                        Mac Simka 27 February 2018 15: 07
                        +2
                        You need a belt, a belt ....
  7. svp67
    svp67 25 February 2018 08: 57
    +8
    The Bulgarian authorities no longer hide their irritation from the behavior of the EU and the USA.
    Do not make me laugh. The Bulgarian elite is quite pro-Western and, moreover, has "sins" known to the leadership of the EU and the USA. They can say whatever they like, but when the time comes to make some decisions, they will quickly be reminded who is who in this life ... and they will make the decision that the West needs.
    1. avt
      avt 25 February 2018 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Bulgarian elite is quite pro-western

      Actually, yes, both, "amplify" and so, "get out." All these lamentations are about nothing. They passed the point of no return, “Schengen”, if the dadud acceleratedly vacuumed Bulgaria completely irrevocably. Only the destruction of Turkey as a state within its current borders will save Bulgaria from being dissolved by Turkey.
      1. pytar
        25 February 2018 11: 23
        +2
        The point of no return does not exist. For 13 centuries, Bulgarian history knows everything. We were, are and will be, even after Turkey ... Although the current Erdogan Turkey is a real threat to all its neighbors. See what happens in the Aegean as an example!
      2. alatanas
        alatanas 26 February 2018 18: 01
        +1
        And people like you - “Slav brother”, you will probably be sincerely glad. These are not our brothers hi
    2. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 21
      +1
      The elite of most countries holds their money in Western banks. The Russian elite too. And money is not theirs if they stand in the trezors of the West ... lol So the West has ... elites ...
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  9. APASUS
    APASUS 25 February 2018 10: 37
    +2
    Something in the material does not say how the Bulgarians threw partners with the pipe twice and from the nuclear power plant, where Bulgaria even had to pay a fine to Russia.
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 11: 58
      +1
      No one was thrown with a pipe. Gazprom outwitted itself by trying to circumvent antitrust laws of the EU. By the way, wait for the continuation on the topic with pipes ... I think soon there will be surprises for you ... bully
      Bellene NPP was laid 40 years ago. Unfinished like the Egyptian pyramids! In the current economic realities, it will be at a loss. Theme for another article.
      The Bulgarian side had to pay half a million euros of the fine to Rosatom, because the agreement was really interrupted by the Bulgarian side. By the way, the same agreement, a few years ago was pushed by the Russian energy lobby in the Bulgarian parliament, but this is also a different topic. So ... The very fact that Gazprom has no claim to impoverishment clearly shows that there are no violations on the Bulgarian side. Most likely, the Bulgarian side has grounds for complaint, but for certain reasons we refrain. I am in the know / for work /.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 February 2018 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        Nobody was thrown with a pipe

        Well yes ?
        Since when has the receipt of money for transit become unprofitable.
        On December 07, 2011, the Bulgarian Government decided to abandon the project for the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline, considering it economically unreasonable. In early February 2012, Bulgaria paid Russian Transneft a debt of $ 4,7 million for its withdrawal from the project (the debt was formed due to that the Russian monopoly funded a share in Bulgaria)

        Really guessed it? Ah ja, there is also the South Stream:
        In 2014, Bulgaria, at the insistence of the European Commission, halted work on the project twice (in June and then in August)
        In December 2014, work was to begin on the offshore section. Pipes for the first string (throughput capacity of 15 billion m³ per year) were manufactured, and some of them were delivered to Varna

        Well, well, it turns out that Gazprom outwitted everyone
        Nuclear power plants are also not so simple
        Bulgaria terminated the contract with the ASE for the construction of the Belene NPP (cost over € 6 billion) in 2011, after which the Russian side demanded compensation for the costs incurred in the arbitration in Geneva. In June, the lawsuit was upheld; Sofia did not dispute the loss, but NEC did not have any funds to pay compensation. The Bulgarian side made a number of attempts to get out of the situation: government representatives were negotiating with the European Commission, Moscow, and also intended to agree on the sale of nuclear equipment to Iran. At the same time, Sofia actively made it clear to Russia that it was ready to re-discuss a number of joint projects in the fuel and energy sector that were canceled by the pro-Western government of Bulgaria

        Say again that you yourself guessed that the presence of a nuclear power plant in Bulgaria is not profitable
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 13: 13
          +1
          Since when has the receipt of money for transit become unprofitable.

          You radically confuse things! No one says transit is not beneficial for Bulgaria! UP became disadvantageous to Gazprom when the European Commission demanded that it change the project parameters in accordance with the 3 power package! There is such antitrust legislation in the EU! Have you heard of him?
          ... 2011 of the year, the Bulgarian Government decided to abandon the project for the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline ... 2012 of the year Bulgaria paid the Russian Transneft a debt of $ 4,7 million ... (the debt was formed due to the fact that Russian monopoly...

          Monopolies they are ... laughing A controversial topic has different points of view. request
          Say again that you yourself guessed that the presence of a nuclear power plant in Bulgaria is not profitable

          In the next 15 years, it is disadvantageous. There will be no such energy consumption, as was originally supposed in the distant 1981, when the project was laid! In addition, licenses were extended at Kozloduy NPP, until 2030, with the option to continue to 2040, Bellene NPPs are likely to be built, but with the help of private investors. It will be put into operation presumably after 2040. The technical project will be totally redesigned just in case.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 25 February 2018 13: 50
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            You radically confuse things! No one says transit is not beneficial for Bulgaria! UP became disadvantageous to Gazprom when the European Commission demanded that it change the project parameters in accordance with the 3-unit package! E

            The south stream ended due to Bulgaria’s reluctance to issue a work permit in the coastal economic zone of Bulgaria. But they used just a 3-energy package to justify it. Gazprom could not pull the pipe across the sea to nowhere, and the delay at the start of construction costs real money.
            Quote: pytar
            Over the next 15 years, unprofitable. There will be no such energy consumption as was originally supposed back in 1981.

            I understand this is exactly your opinion? Export is always profitable, and given the EU program to gradually replace dirty power plants with more environmentally friendly types of carriers, there will soon be a certain energy shortage in the EU
            1. pytar
              25 February 2018 17: 08
              +1
              The South Stream ended because of Bulgaria’s reluctance to issue a work permit in the coastal economic zone of Bulgaria. But they used the 3 energy package to justify it.

              Can you give at least one documentary confirmation that Bulgaria reinstalled UP? Not from the yellow press, but will be called upon to an official document?
              I understand this is exactly your opinion? Export is always profitable, and given the EU program to gradually replace dirty power plants with more environmentally friendly types of carriers, there will soon be a certain energy shortage in the EU

              All independent experts state that the price of electricity produced by Belene NPP will be at least 80 Euro per megawatt-hour. This means that the station will not be able to sell what it produces, because no one will buy. While in operation, the Kozloduy NPP works at the expense of taxpayers, and not at the expense of the sale of generated electricity. At the moment, the station produces cheap electricity, because it does not include the costs of decommissioning and storage of spent nuclear fuel. The report of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences says that the need for an increase in energy capacities will arise by 2035-40. Therefore, a decision on the construction should be made in the next 10 years. Moreover, obviously everything will have to be redesigned in accordance with the latest technology.

              Now the situation is this: Export is profitable when there is a client. Romania already has its own nuclear power plant, Turkey is also building. Energy consumption in other Balkan countries is decreasing.

              Eurostat recently confirmed that Bulgaria has not only achieved, but exceeded the national level of electricity consumption from renewable energy sources (RES) laid down in the Europe-2020 strategy. Given 16%, the share of this electricity in consumption in 2016 was 18,8%, moreover, it doubled over the previous 12 years.

              You are right that EVI is more expensive, but at the same time more investments are being made in Bulgaria to introduce modern technologies to increase energy efficiency!

              I will give such an example from everyday life! The current price rises in one way or another! It’s more profitable for me to invest in modern devices that have less consumption! And in thermal insulation, solar batteries, etc. Bulgaria, by the way, is one of the sunniest countries in Europe! So I'm less attached to suppliers. It’s more profitable not to buy current cheaper, but to consume the ego more economically and, if possible, directly from nature! And with the environment it’s better and freer for me! With the growth of personal well-being, more and more people begin to think so.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 25 February 2018 18: 15
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                Can you give at least one documentary confirmation that Bulgaria reinstalled UP? Not from the yellow press, but will be called upon to an official document?

                Do you have access to official documents? Well, at least here do not write nonsense
                On Sunday, the Bulgarian press reported that the head of the Bulgarian government, Plamen Oresharski, ordered the suspension of work within the framework of the "South Stream" for consultations with the European Commission. According to the Bulgarian Minister of Energy Dragomir Stoynev, his country does not abandon plans for the construction of the gas pipeline, considering this project "inevitable and important both for Europe and for Bulgaria." However, he acknowledged that so far there are "unresolved issues" around the gas pipeline.

                This is written by Radio Liberty, let's say not a Russian publication at all, rather your https://www.svoboda.org/a/25417019.html
                Quote: pytar
                The current price rises in one way or another! It’s more profitable for me to invest in modern devices that have less consumption! And in thermal insulation, solar batteries, etc. Bulgaria, by the way, is one of the sunniest countries in Europe! So I'm less attached to suppliers. It’s more profitable not to buy current cheaper, but to consume the ego more economically and, if possible, directly from nature! And with the environment it’s better and freer for me! With the growth of personal well-being, more and more people begin to think so.

                The cheapest electricity is produced by hydroelectric power stations, then the NPPs. Your idea of ​​solar energy is simply a fiction. The so-called “green energy” is 3 times ahead of hydropower. Only very rich countries can afford such energy. Read the experience of Germany, where and who to whom extras for the use of solar panels
                1. pytar
                  25 February 2018 19: 36
                  0
                  Do you have access to official documents?

                  Yes! I worked with the Bulgarian side for 4 years, on the land track.
                  According to the Bulgarian Minister of Energy Dragomir Stoynev, his country is not abandoning gas pipeline plansconsidering this project "inevitable and important both for Europe and for Bulgaria." However, he acknowledged that so far there are "unresolved issues" around the gas pipeline.

                  It has just been said, which is what I am talking about! Moreover, Plamen Oresharski has connections with the BG companies partnering with Gazprom. If you look for new publications, just the Russian office. persons do not blame Bulgaria, but talk about the EC-EU!
                  Your idea with solar energy is just a fiction. The so-called "green energy" in cost price ahead of hydropower 3 times ...

                  Even in my personal experience I was convinced of the efficiency of solar energy! A year ago, I put photolar electric batteries on my house, in addition to a solar water heater! Under Bulgarian conditions, this system pays off in 5-10 years! I plan 100% transition to solar power in the summer season. Our winter is short. And what about the other sources of en. no one says that they cannot be used! If you follow the story, you will see the stages in which mankind moved in energy production and you will understand how it will finish and spend tomorrow. The argument is meaningless! Only the future will show who is right.
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 25 February 2018 19: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: pytar
                    Yes! I worked with the Bulgarian side for 4 years, on the land track.

                    And you can publish documents in support of your words?
                    Quote: pytar
                    The argument is meaningless! Only the future will show who is right.

                    I hope you will be right, but I do not believe in the future of solar energy
                    1. pytar
                      25 February 2018 20: 59
                      0
                      And you can publish documents in support of your words?

                      Something I can, but of course I won’t! Who cares, can search the sites of Bulgarian institutions. There is public information / under the law /, as a guideline, until what time the adm. Proseursy on UP tracks! Another year and a half after the announcement of GDP on stops project! Because, official documents from the Russian Federation on terminationI entered a year and a half later! I have no purpose to convince someone else! A thinking person will understand that if there were a violation of contracts with the Bulgarian side, Gazprom would condemn us to billions of $$$$$! All this anti-Bulgarian hype is organized in Russia in order to hide from the Russian citizens the true essence of what happened! Those misses and shortcomings of Gazprom, which ultimately led to the failure of UP.
                      I hope you will be right, but I do not believe in the future of solar energy

                      I am not talking solely about solar energy ... But the one that "falls" to the Earth in 1 year is 10 times more than all the energy reserves in the Earth combined! And there are others, no less interesting! Technology is growing fast! I won’t be surprised if in 15-20 years they start building thermonuclear ES!
              2. alatanas
                alatanas 26 February 2018 18: 06
                +1
                All independent experts state that the price of electricity produced by Belene NPP will be at least 80 Euro per megawatt-hour

                Only a part of them, moreover, with relative "independence".
                1. pytar
                  26 February 2018 18: 46
                  +1
                  The problem is that everything (for shutting me down yes ) experts work for someone else. Some on the dew, others on the striped. It’s bad that Bulgaria ruined so much money in this mess! Even if new NPPs are built by 3, the current price will increase. As usual, there are bad novelties, but there are good ones ... If it is really profitable, investors will be found and build nuclear power plants. In the meantime, different lobbyists honestly earn their money, humanity will take and make a new technological revolution. I suppose that the Belene site will come in handy at the TNPP. bully
      2. avt
        avt 25 February 2018 13: 42
        +3
        Quote: pytar
        I think soon there will be surprises for you ...

        Quote: pytar
        Theme for another article.

        bully My friend, doesn’t it reach you there in Bulgaria that you really have a different topic for Russia? bully
        Quote: pytar
        but this is also another topic.

        bully On
        Quote: pytar
        current Erdogan Turkey is a real threat to all its neighbors.

        You will sort it out yourself within the framework of NATO. Even if the US ruins Turkey, it will not be any easier for you in Bulgaria, at least you will choke on refugees, since the Turks will actually settle down with their relatives.
        Quote: pytar
        The point of no return does not exist.
        bully
        Amazing nearby but forbidden ....
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 14: 06
          +1
          My friend, doesn’t it reach you there in Bulgaria that you really have a different topic for Russia?

          There are different topics, there are general topics ... It is the case with us. laughing
          On

          With a desire and a theme about aliens, we can touch on ... lol
          You will figure it out yourself within the framework of NATO. Even if the US ruins Turkey, Turkey will not be any easier for you ...

          NATO itself will fall apart! laughing And the ocean will rise. And we are on high! Some prepare in advance! Here we have plenty of Russians! A Turkish taxi driver in Varna spoke Russian to me in the summer! I also answered him in Russian! As soon as he raised the price of transportation in 2 times, I told him in pure Bulgarian "abe ti scho not si shh ma-ta!" angry He accordingly went nuts belay sorry crying and retreated => overlooking a man who suddenly had a stomach ache! wassat
        2. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 24
          +2
          Doesn’t it reach you there in Bulgaria that you really already have a “different topic” for Russia?

          In fact, with enviable regularity we become a “different topic” - at the end of the 19th, and in the middle and end of the 20th and 10th of the 21st centuries. And then again the vector changes.
          So the "friend" is not a drift - you want to push your affairs through the Balkans again, again remember that we are your brother. In the meantime, you can scold and scare your Iskanders.
  10. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 25 February 2018 11: 08
    +4
    Bulgarians .... judging by the article, they "complain" only that they have not yet been admitted to the "Schengen", which does not allow them to freely move around the "euro zone" in search of work, that's all ....
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 12: 02
      +1
      Bulgarians .... judging by the article, they "complain" only that they have not yet been admitted to the "Schengen", which does not allow them to freely move around the "euro zone" in search of work, that's all ....

      No problem with work or with moving around Europe. Schengen creates a little more bureaucracy, and so all the rules. The Bulgarian authorities will justify the fact that the country in all respects meets the Schengen rules! This is confirmed by all EU expert bodies! Entering the Schengen area is more important for prestige and as an assessment of Bulgaria's comprehension over the past 15 years. With the economy, all the rules.! Over the past 5 years, Bulgaria has been one of the three EU countries with the highest growth. In 2018, calculations show that Bulgaria will be the leader in economic growth among the CEE countries (11 countries in central and eastern Europe).
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 25 February 2018 12: 39
        0
        With the economy, all the rules.! Over the past 5 years, Bulgaria has been one of the three EU countries with the highest growth.


        I believe ... Why not believe it, I believe. "I believe, I believe, every beast, and even more so ...." wink
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 13: 24
          +1
          I believe ... Why not believe it, I believe. "I believe, I believe, every beast, and even more so ...."

          I expose the facts. What you will believe is your own business ... wink
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 25 February 2018 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        In 2018, calculations show that Bulgaria will be the leader in economic growth among the CEE countries (11 countries in central and eastern Europe).

        In short, we rename Bulgaria to New Germany, and Germany to Old Vasyuki.
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 13: 48
          +3
          In short, we rename Bulgaria to New Germany, and Germany to Old Vasyuki.

          I don’t know about Germany, but there is one interesting historical fact! Bulgaria is the oldest European state, which in all its 13 century of history has never changed its NAME! Unless, of course, we do not consider such "states" as San Marino.
        2. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 40
          +2
          It depends on where the Russians go to give birth soon Russia will be New Florida, and Moscow - Tampa Village
  11. Operator
    Operator 25 February 2018 12: 18
    0
    Bulgaria got what it deserves. Russia should join the US and the EU to lower Bulgaria even lower to the agrarian / tourist backwater of Europe.

    Eco-Bulgarians - sounds proudly bully
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 12: 56
      +1
      Bulgaria got what it deserves. Russia should join the US and EU to lower Bulgaria even lower to the agrarian / tourist backwater of Europe. Eco-Bulgarians - it sounds proudly

      An unhealthy intent sneaks into your comment ... laughing
      As for "agricultural / tourist outback"over the past 5 years, it has brought the country more currency than the whole heavy smoking socialist industry for half a century of socialism. For a country with climatic conditions like Bulgaria, environmental improvement with 5% brings GDP growth from 0,5%. Eco (tourism, products) is the trend that Bulgaria strives for! You probably don’t know, but Bulgaria is among the top three countries in the world by the wealth of healing mineral minerals. hi
      1. Operator
        Operator 25 February 2018 16: 00
        0
        For our part, we will do everything in our power to ensure that nuclear power plants, gas pipelines and other "heavy smoking industry" never appear in Bulgaria.
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 16: 28
          +1
          For our part, we will do everything in our power to ensure that nuclear power plants, gas pipelines and other "heavy smoking industry" never appear in Bulgaria.

          Operator... you personally "on your side" operate with incorrect "information" ... laughing You obviously do not work in the government of the Russian Federation! wink
          Belene NPP will be built and there are already willing Russian investors! As for AEE Kozloduy, Rosatom guarantees support until the end of its life cycle (2040).
          And there will be gas pipelines. Russian companies also want to participate in the construction of the gas-super-hub of the Balkans.
          There will be much more, including joint ventures of industry, the chemical industry and so on. At the moment, they are preparing a joint venture to assemble GAZ trucks and tractors. Enterprises will not smoke these enterprises, since the economy is already tough! Bulgarian companies also incidentally invest in Russia. A plant for the production of Bulgarian shoes begins in St. Petersburg.
          The list is long, but I will not go into details, as I am afraid for your psyche ... After all, reality varies dramatically from your ideas! sad
          1. Operator
            Operator 25 February 2018 19: 23
            0
            I am not the Government of the Russian Federation.
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 38
              +2
              And thank God ....
              1. Operator
                Operator 26 February 2018 08: 30
                0
                Didn’t fall, the daughter of officer Mak-Simka: "glory" (verb) in Russian and Bulgarian is capitalized laughing
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                2. Mac Simka
                  Mac Simka 26 February 2018 15: 08
                  +1
                  Removed the cry of the soul. Right now we’ll make a thief call - it’s the same as it is written. I did not understand just burned.
                3. alatanas
                  alatanas 26 February 2018 18: 16
                  +1
                  If you know Bulgarian so much, Mac-Simka would comment on his native language. repeat
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 26 February 2018 20: 20
                    0
                    Verbs in native Mac-Simka English are capitalized (all of a sudden).
                    Illiteracy is not treated by comment laughing
                    1. Mac Simka
                      Mac Simka 27 February 2018 03: 10
                      +2
                      In fact, glorifying God it is customary to write in Bulgarian and Russian with a lowercase letter. But as you said, here is no place to hold an educational program for you.
  12. flicker
    flicker 25 February 2018 13: 00
    +2
    I raised a question for my American colleagues! Is it possible to offer us such prices for airplanes and tanks?
    It is a legitimate claim of the Bulgarians. Moreover, after the first blow of the Russians it will all turn into scrap metal, and accordingly, the price should not be like for planes and tanks, but for scrap.
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 13: 27
      +4
      Moreover, after the first blow of the Russians it will all turn into scrap metal, and accordingly, the price should not be like for planes and tanks, but for scrap.

      After the first strike of the Russians and after the second strike of the Americans, the whole planet will be like a crowbar. So, you better not bother with such concerns! There will be no blows and there will be no war. Be calm! wink
      1. flicker
        flicker 25 February 2018 17: 09
        +2
        There are our graters with amers. Do you even have, in the sense, how is a state that decides at least something?
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 17: 49
          +2
          Do you even have, in the sense, how is a state that decides at least something?

          We have no claim to geopolitics! Our interests are concentrated on the Balkan Peninsula. In this direction we work together with colleagues from the Balkan countries. Bulgaria now has the best relations with its neighbors in history.
          1. flicker
            flicker 25 February 2018 19: 25
            +2
            Bulgaria now has the best relations with its neighbors in history.
            Well, yes, everything is so changeable ...
            1. pytar
              25 February 2018 21: 16
              +1
              Well, yes, everything is so changeable ...

              Not all! Changeable politics! I have the opportunity and regularly travel to most of the Balkan countries! Earlier during Sots, this was impossible. We then believed that "around enemies"! And you know ... now I look when people are normal! Nobody wants bloodshed! Everyone wants peace and prosperity for their family! That Serb, Greek or Albanian no difference! All people on the Balkans have a desire to live in peace and good neighborliness! Here it is not changeable! It will be difficult for politicians to send people who know and are friends with their neighbors to war! I can’t imagine that when people join the EU, people will be ready to fight one against the other!
              1. flicker
                flicker 26 February 2018 11: 29
                +2
                Quote: pytar
                Well, yes, everything is so changeable ...

                Not all! Changeable politics! I have the opportunity and regularly travel to most of the Balkan countries! Earlier during Sots, this was impossible. We then believed that "around enemies"! And you know ... now I look when people are normal! Nobody wants bloodshed! Everyone wants peace and prosperity for their family! That Serb, Greek or Albanian no difference! All people on the Balkans have a desire to live in peace and good neighborliness! Here it is not changeable! It will be difficult for politicians to send people who know and are friends with their neighbors to war! I can’t imagine that when people join the EU, people will be ready to fight one against the other!

                I say: everything is so changeable ...
        2. alatanas
          alatanas 26 February 2018 18: 17
          +1
          And what, we do not have the right to an opinion?
          1. flicker
            flicker 26 February 2018 18: 30
            +2
            And what, we do not have the right to an opinion?
            You have. And I would really like you to be able to express and defend YOUR opinion (I'm talking about the south stream).
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 27 February 2018 03: 15
              0
              Um ... no need to ulcerate. Or maybe we will look at your opinion in / in Ukraine or Belarus. Something you do not go well with hearing loss in the Donbas. Or maybe they have already opened their own Air Force base at But father, no?
  13. nnz226
    nnz226 25 February 2018 13: 07
    0
    Directly according to the Russian proverb: "With a pork snout - in the ranks of Kalash!" And they still require something - they are not worthy !!!
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 27
      +2
      SW Peter has already quoted you another proverb - Don’t say what I need to do, and I won’t say where you need to go.
  14. Altona
    Altona 25 February 2018 14: 30
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    In reality, the situation is different.

    --------------------
    If you had direct Russian gas and a new nuclear power plant, then the economic recovery would be significantly accelerated by cheap energy and transit money. But the EU and the US do not allow this so that someone can develop better than them.
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 15: 29
      +1
      If you had direct Russian gas and a new nuclear power plant, then the economic recovery would be significantly accelerated by cheap energy and transit money.

      The situation with gas and atom is fundamentally different!
      Money from transit would not be bad, but ... without the approval of the EC, no transit would go further! The next EU country would stop the pipe. And we would have a pipe to nowhere. Moreover, the failure to comply with EU laws is followed by large fines of several hundred Euro mines and stops of eurofunds. Before 2020, Bulgaria should receive another 3 billion euros.
      In general, when I read the comments I see that most of the connoisseurs do not understand one very important thing! UP is not a purely project between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation! Although the goal was to circumvent antitrust legislation in the EU, the ego was positioned like that! UP project between EU countries and Gazprom! Transiter-Bulgaria does not decide under what conditions the final counterparties will agree or not!

      Belene NPP, as I explained in another comment, it was laid in the distant 1981 d. Then there was a rapid increase in energy consumption! Bulgarian heavy industry built on energy-intensive technologies, experienced "energy hunger"! Shell export to the Balkan countries. Over the past 37 years, a lot has changed! Due to the bankruptcy of industry, domestic electricity consumption decreased by several times, and neighboring countries created their own capacities. The cost of Belem’s NPP itself has increased markedly! Behind the scenes, a struggle was fought between the pro-Russian lobby and the ego opponents! It is not in the interests of Bulgaria that construction was launched several times, and then stopped. One of the most important crimes of the Russian lobby was the signing of a contract for the resumption of construction of the Belene NPP in 2006 and its continuation in 2011! Construction itself is resumed in 2008 under the direct patronage of the then Minister-Chairman Sergei Stanishev! A little deviate and tell you who he is! Reference:
      "Sergei Dmitrievich Stanishev -Born in Kherson (Ukraine), his mother was a citizen of the USSR. Son of Dimitar Y. Stanishev, a native of modern Macedonia, former secretary of the Central Committee of the BKP, responsible for international relations of the BKP, and Dina Sergeyevna Mukhina, professor of the Faculty of Slavic Philology of SU. a citizen of the USSR, and then Russia until the 1995 year. In 1989, he graduated from the history department of Moscow State University, in 1999-2000, he trained at the London School of Economics and Political Science. "
      This resulted in fines for which Rossatom condemned Bulgaria in 2016. It so happened that Bulgaria either had to drown with a few billion euros without a profit guarantee or pay half a million and stop digging money in this bottomless pit!
  15. Altona
    Altona 25 February 2018 14: 32
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    heavy smoking socialist industry for half a century of socialism.

    ------------------------------
    Computers did world-class, and so you want the "smoking socialist industry." They made good consumer goods; I was dressed all the way to the Bulgarian. laughing laughing
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 15: 40
      +3
      Computers did world-class, and so you want the "smoking socialist industry." They made good consumer goods; I was dressed all the way to the Bulgarian.

      Computers did, there wasn’t where to buy them! In free sale was not!
      Consumer goods and now doing. In terms of price and quality, it is the best. I only buy Bulgarian!
      Yes, a lot of what we are doing now, that was not earlier. When Sots so "developed" that in 90, it was necessary to declare bankruptcy / moratorium /! There was 300 000 000 $ in the treasury, and by the end of the year it was necessary to pay on loans 1 000 000 000 $! External debts exceeded xnumx times GDP! How is Greece now! Nowadays, our GDP exceeds the size of debts by 3 times, and the treasury has 3 billion euros of foreign exchange reserves (22,3 27 500 000 $). Not bad.
      Altona - HEALTH drinks Be healthy! good
  16. Angor
    Angor 25 February 2018 15: 02
    +3
    laughing Pitar, I have a drain that 99,9% of those with whom you talk are medical cases. Moreover, they have long been known and neglected.
    If not, then you communicate with children aged 7 - 12 years.
    I’m sure of one thing. You are a patient person. You should go to the teachers and teach the children to the mind and reason.
    Good luck to you!
    1. pytar
      25 February 2018 16: 37
      +7
      laughing laughing laughing I assume that you are right! I really am very patient with children and people who have medical problems! With this, everything is fine! Another is surprising! Where does such unreasonable anger come from these people ?! We in Bulgaria empathize and sympathize with the Russians when they have something bad to do! And we sincerely rejoice when Russia is doing well! And here ... such a strange behavior ... It is clear that some of the "work" have this, but still ... sad
      Thank! Good luck to you too! good
      1. Bratyshka
        Bratyshka 25 February 2018 17: 56
        +6
        Boyan, thanks for the interesting comments.
        The vast majority of Russians are smart, thoughtful people. And this majority does not often write comments.
        And stupid statements are all complexes of childhood that has not yet ended
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 23: 05
          +4
          Hey bro! hi I am friends with many Russians and I know perfectly well that most of them are smart and thoughtful! Unfortunately in Russian forums, I observe a completely different picture! I give it to the influence of enemy propaganda! We have common enemies with you and their goal will set the nearest nations even at the everyday level, one against the other! Starayus for his limited abilities to show the real picture. Good or bad ... as she is! I still believe that something depends on each of us! So that the enemies do not have time in their dirty crafts! I am sure that thanks to those Russians who understand what the speech is about, the enemies will not pass! ¡No pasarán! Thank you friends!
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 26 February 2018 09: 07
          +2
          Quote: Bratyshka
          Boyan, thanks for the interesting comments.
          The vast majority of Russians are smart, thoughtful people. And this majority does not often write comments.
          And stupid statements are all complexes of childhood that has not yet ended

          I didn’t want to write, but your comment forced)))
          Honestly, reading with interest the comments of the respected pytar, I discovered that the Bulgarians treat us so well. He believed that this fraternal people belong to us, to put it mildly, a little down. But resentment and anger towards the Bulgarians never experienced. Maybe misunderstanding experienced. Although here in Perm football lovers respect and love the Bulgarians. Even the slogan is this: “Without Bulgarians there is no Amkar”, a football club who does not know)))
          According to friends who were in Bulgaria, I realized for myself that in Bulgaria is not the best attitude to the Russians.
          Dear pytar, you have corrected my brain with your calmness and confidence.
          Continue to comment on our events.
          1. pytar
            26 February 2018 10: 45
            +3
            According to friends who were in Bulgaria, I realized for myself that in Bulgaria is not the best attitude to the Russians.

            It depends on the mood of your friends in Bulgaria. Attitude in many respects depends on how you feel about the Bulgarians. As an example and for comparison, I’ll give a few videos from YouTube here.

            Impressions of a Russian guy living in Bulgaria.

            And this video is from Shipka. I think quite clearly the Bulgarians react to the appearance of the Russian delegation. By the way, at the same time, in Russian media, a fake was circulated in millions of copies about "Erdogan’s invitation to Shipki and not Russian invitations!" Do you see Erdogan there ??? And "he is there," according to Russian media! Regnum-mu.ru for example. lol

            And this is from a protest rally in Sofia in front of the Turkish embassy, ​​after the downing of a Russian plane over Syria by the Turks.

            A motorcycle rally for the same reason.

            Draw your own conclusions.
      2. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. 25 February 2018 21: 37
        +4
        Dear pytar - this is not anger! it is a complex. on this site there are a lot of old people who are used to thinking with Soviet stamps! if we summarize their statements, then they all must and they (Russia) are always right. this can be explained by the specifics of the site - cheers-patriotism. and you understand, such people cannot admit that the world is not only what they see. and the fact that other countries also have their own vision of the situation.
        For example, I am glad that Bulgaria is getting something. Yes, I’m generally happy always for everyone, for example, I’m even happy for Ukraine with their visa-free travel.
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 23: 16
          +5
          Dear K.A.S.You are probably right, even though I have no right to judge others. In my opinion, there is no need for the Russians to experience any complexes, since Russia is the Great Power! She is one of those countries that write world history! With deep respect, I treat Russia and Russians! We have Bulgarians, it’s in the blood! Well, politicians, they cannot be trusted ... They come and go, but the peoples remain! Our peoples are fraternal and this is not in doubt!
      3. demo
        demo 25 February 2018 21: 56
        +3
        Buddy
        You are in a place where you should not express an opinion different from that of an aggressive and stubborn majority.
        If our people have developed a certain stereotype about the Bulgarians, then you can’t change it.
        If we ourselves forgot how “fun” it was under socialism, then we do not tolerate in our opponents qualities that you have that have the courage and desire to objectively compare.
        You know such a Russian song:
        "I remember a long time ago, my father and mother taught me.
        To treat, so to treat! To love is to love!
        To walk, so to walk! Shoot, so shoot! "?
        This is the essence of the Russian people.
        There is no measure. There are no brakes. There is no self-criticism. There is no memory.
        More precisely, there is. But worthless quickly forget.
        This is a property of character. We had to go through too much over a centuries-old history.
        Many believe that only the Russians got such a share.
        And Bulgarians, Greeks, Hungarians, Romanians, etc. lived in bliss.
        We just managed to independently drive out the Mongols, Iranians, Ottomans, Germans and comrades.
        And others did not succeed.
        You should not try to prove to us that now, in the EU, you began to live better than under socialism.
        We will not understand this.
        But we are waiting for a cow to die at a neighbor, so that later it can be declared by raising a finger to the top - did we tell you ?!
        And if she didn’t die, did she bring calves?
        ABOUT! Then this will begin!

        Just for information.
        My grandfather, Miron Costa, I will not indicate the name, emigrated from Bulgaria in 20 years.
        He took part in revolutionary activities in his homeland. But probably so carried away that they were going to plant him.
        He quickly fled to Romania, and then by boat reached Novorossiysk.
        Next, Rostov. Where he died of consumption in 10 years.

        Do not take the evil in the head and the heavy in the hands.
        And not sports with us.
        1. pytar
          25 February 2018 23: 23
          +2
          Thanks demo! I understand what you’re talking about. Despite all the changes in time, at 100% I am sure that Bulgaria and Russia will be friendly, fraternal countries! I expect soon a warming in relations and at the state level! At the household level, Bulgarians and Russians have always treated drgs to others as Brothers!
      4. pilot69
        pilot69 26 February 2018 15: 09
        +3
        Do not believe me, in Russia in the same way, I and most of my friends do not have a negative attitude towards the Bulgarians and never will. I even have the same surname with you. And do not pay attention to all this, here the truth is that many people need to go back to school, and some to the first grade. hi
    2. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 29
      +2
      +100 500!

      Good luck, uv. pytr!
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    1. Gado
      Gado 25 February 2018 22: 00
      +5
      Judging by your nickname, you are only a tractor driver and fit. Read above what my sonarodnik wrote and take care of your worthless comments.
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  19. Black joe
    Black joe 25 February 2018 19: 27
    +1
    Bulgarians handsome
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 February 2018 23: 20
    +1
    Well, if such a wonderful GDP in the country, then the people live well. But I don’t understand what the Bulgarian "zarobitchans" do in Estonia and Finland.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 27 February 2018 15: 10
      +1
      And what are the Russians doing in the countries mentioned and many more far from the Russian Federation?
  21. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 25 February 2018 23: 35
    +3
    Quote: demo
    Buddy
    You are in a place where you should not express an opinion different from that of an aggressive and stubborn majority.
    If our people have developed a certain stereotype about the Bulgarians, then you can’t change it.
    .......
    And not sports with us.


    Dear, no one wants to change your stereotypes and no one in their right mind argues - you want to find fault with us - but to health. However, scolding and ponost is already a manifestation of bad taste. As well as duplication of lies about the participation of Bulgaria in WWII.
    Otherwise, let's live together.
  22. Olezhek
    Olezhek 26 February 2018 07: 17
    0
    Somehow a little later they realized.
    All key political decisions have long been made.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 27 February 2018 12: 09
      +2
      And after a couple of years, it is time to make other key decisions. This is called life.
  23. Altona
    Altona 26 February 2018 08: 42
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    Altona - HEALTH drinks drinks Be healthy! good

    -------------------------
    Thank you for the clarification. hi
  24. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 11: 44
    +2
    According to opinion polls, membership in the European Union is estimated positively by 57% of Bulgarians. Only 14% are negative, and one fourth has a neutral position. The level of support is quite high due to the notable successes achieved by the Bulgarian economy over the past 5 years (stable growth of 3,6-3,9%). So, for example - Bulgaria's GDP in 2017 exceeded the bar of 50 billion euros, which is a record for the entire history of the country!

    Where did it come from?
    1. That 57% positively assess EU membership; I have deep doubts. Where did it come from and what kind of sociologists are there? Nobody ever asked the Bulgarians about EU membership, did not beat the referendum and did not hold any discussion on this topic.
    2. There has been no economic growth over 3% in the last 5 years. Such growth has only hit in the past two years. At the same time, Bulgaria does not catch up, does not reduce the gap with the rest of the EU countries (this requires a growth rate of more than 6% per year). On the contrary, shaving increases. Our neighbors do not belong to the EU (Turkey, Serbia), the growth is much higher.
    3. GDP of 50 billion dollars is not a record in the history of Bulgaria. This is only a statistical focus based on the underestimated depreciation of the Bulgarian lev. 50 billion euros is 100 billion Bulgarian leva today. Bulgarian GDP in 1989 under socialism hit 40 billion leva.
    Ask who you want the Bulgarian (except for those working in Western funds) and they will tell you that today (on average) from 5 levs you can’t buy what cost 1 lev in 1989. So this is a record only for the era of capitalism - in 28 years they managed to achieve half of the GDP of socialist Bulgaria in 1989 (not the best year under socialism).
    4. What development and what progress if 40% of the population is below the border of poverty and “social exclusion”. Such people did not beat 30 years ago.
    5. This is a blessing for us that they do not accept in Schengen and in the euro zone. If the EU did not accept the beating, the beats are even better.
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 13: 27
      +1
      That EU membership is rated positively by 57% I have deep doubts.

      You get into those 14% that are indicated in opinion polls. 82% of Bulgarians under the age of 24 are positive about the EU, and among people over the age of 65, this figure is half as much. Link to the site "Russian Bulgaria".
      https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/22108-bolee-
      poloviny-bolgar-polozhitelno-otsenivayut-evrosoyu
      z # comments
      Nobody ever asked the Bulgarians about EU membership, did not beat the referendum and did not hold any discussion on this topic.

      You may not have been asked. I was asked. Entry into the EU is not a one-time act. This is the process that began at 22.12.1990 with the decision of the Great National Assembly! In all elections, subsequently, the victorious parties declared their commitment to this idea! There were so many discussions that suspicion arises ... you either did not live in Bulgaria or you were deaf.
      There has not been any increase in economy over 3% over the last 5 years. Such growth has only hit in the last two years.

      Look at the Eurostad data. You can argue what% but growth is.
      GDP in 50 billion dollars is not a record in the history of Bulgaria. This is only a statistical focus based on the underestimated depreciation of the Bulgarian lev. 50 billion Euros This is 100 billion Bulgarian leva today. Bulgaria's GDP in 1989 under socialism beat 40 billion leva.

      50 BILLION EURA! = 61,5 billion. $ 40 billion. CONVERSIBLE socialist levs did NOT have real market equivalents! LEO did not have material and currency coverage! "depreciation" of the left and there is bringing the ego to real value! The foreign exchange reserve was less than half a billion dollars, with debts exceeding GDP by several times. Remember the moratorium on loan payments in 90!
      Ask who you want the Bulgarian (except for those working in Western foundations) and they will tell you that today with 5 leva you can’t buy what the 1 lion cost in 1989 year.

      1. You obviously ask nostalgic youth pensioners. 2. I do not work in any funds. 3. Under socialism, money was / printed without problems /, and it was difficult to buy something with it. Commodity deficiency - a chronic defect in soc. The prices for what was available were low, but "there were" few.
      What development and what successes if 40% of the population is below the border of poverty and “social exclusion”. Such people 30 years ago did not beat.

      Under capitalism, it is so. Socialism fed everyone, albeit badly. They worked left, but they were not hungry. Now a person must feed himself and for this purpose he must work well !!! Under socialism, all lazy people and party nomenklatur lived better. Now he lives well, the one who is ready to compete for a place in the sun. Who wants as if social ... flag in hand and to North Korea! Toka UTB ticket in one direction! A person will have a problem if he doesn’t like it there and wants to howl ... In Russia, I don’t advise them to go! There is capitalism!
      This is a blessing for us that they do not accept in Schengen and in the euro zone. If the EU didn’t accept, the beating was even better.

      It will be happiness for you. But you are unlikely to be so spared. fellow
  25. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 12: 14
    +3
    Salaries, although 5-6 times behind the German ones, are nevertheless in second place in growth among the EU countries. 20 years ago, this difference was 18-20 times. The financial condition in the country is stable today. By the ratio of external government debt to GDP, Bulgaria is one of the three EU countries with the best indicators. The fact is impressive - in view of the fact that 27 years ago Bulgaria left the era of socialism bankrupt (in the 90s it declared a moratorium on payments on external loans), now gold and currency reserves in the amount of 22,5 billion euros have been collected in the treasury.

    1. 20 years ago, the financial crisis hit, and on average, earnings in Bulgaria, after socialism, always lagged behind the German 5-6 times in exchange rates and 3-4 times in purchasing power. Under socialism, the lag in purchasing power from Germany hit less than 2 times. More than 90% of the Bulgarians under socialism bought their own home, which is much more than in Germany.
    2. Where did the children get 22,5 billion euros of reserves from the treasury? Who deceived you. 20 billion euros can beat the external debt of Bulgaria (states and private business 0. Debt is now much higher as a percentage of GDP than in 1989.
    3. A moratorium on loans was announced in 1990 to justify the restoration of capitalism in Bulgaria, and he beat part of this restoration. The debt of the Bulgarian Foreign Trade Bank (90% of the external debt) was not beaten by the sovereign debt of Bulgaria. This was beaten by a merchant bank and loans did not beat guarantees by the state. It was made a sovereign duty only in 1994 after the restoration of capitalism and the decision of the parliament. With children, the debt was reduced by half.
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 14: 03
      +1
      ... according to the exchange rate of currencies ... Under socialism, the lag in purchasing power from Germany hit less than 2 times. More than 90% of Bulgarians under socialism bought their own home, which is much more than in Germany.

      You yourself are not embarrassed, you have revealed the falsity of the socialist left! It was "money" printed on paper and nothing more! What comparison in purchasing power can be between them and the German brand ?! With the lion, little could be bought! And with the German brand everything!
      More than 90% of Bulgarians with social services, forced to migrate to cities. Waited for 20 years to get a home! And they paid the ego for so many more years! Of course this does not apply to nomenclature! For some reason, she loved Western currencies, not the socialist Bulgarian lion!

      Where did the 22,5 children get the euro reserves from the treasury? Who deceived you. 20 billion euros may bit Bulgaria’s external debt (states and private businesses. Debt is now much lower as a percentage of GDP than in 1989

      Nonsense from the parallel universe! I won’t even discuss it. No.

      A loan moratorium was announced in 1990 to justify the restoration of capitalism in Bulgaria, and he beat part of this restoration.

      A moratorium was announced, for a completely prosaic reason! There was no currency in the treasury!

      The debt of the Bulgarian Foreign Trade Bank (90% of external debt) was not beaten by the sovereign debt of Bulgaria. This was beaten by a merchant bank and loans did not beat guarantees by the state.

      A very strange hint in view of the fact that debt accumulated during socialism, but with social services everything / the bank, trade, industry, etc. / was state-owned.

      In general, a person will always be dissatisfied with something ... bully And if all the same he’s fine, he’s afraid to boast, but he won’t be jinxed! This is human nature! For someone else the bowl is half empty, and for the other half empty! drinks Full of happiness happens only when a healthy offspring is born! good
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  27. alatanas
    alatanas 26 February 2018 17: 19
    +1
    Bulgaria’s GDP in 2017 exceeded the bar of 50 billion euros, which is a record for the entire history of the country!
    lol
    Except for the modest phase 1944 - 1989
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 17: 28
      +2
      Except for the modest phase 1944 - 1989

      ... in which the "People's" Republic of Bulgaria, 3 times went bankrupt! hi
  28. pytar
    26 February 2018 18: 37
    +2
    Quote: alatanas
    Under socialism: 1 bread (900 gr.) = 0,29 BGN, cigarettes BT = 0,60 BGN Now: 1 bread (650 gr.) ~ = 1,10 BGN, cigarettes Wictory = 5 BGN My "lieutenant" salary was NET = 240 BGN (engineering at that time 130 - 140 BGN), now (mine mine) = 800 BGN Count how much it is in bread or in cigarettes.

    It is true that in the life of a new, socialist person, bread and cigarettes were “the most important”! laughing Socialism is fully satisfied with these needs. Unfortunately, I could not annoy a lot of other needs. Money printed, there were salaries! The shortage was in goods. Under capitalism, all kinds of goods, more than enough! But money is in short supply! The truth was that money should be earned, not received! wink
  29. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 18: 45
    +2
    50 BILLION EURA! = 61,5 billion. $ 40 billion. CONVERSIBLE socialist levs did NOT have real market equivalents! LEO did not have material and currency coverage! "depreciation" of the left and there is bringing the ego to real value! The foreign exchange reserve was less than half a billion dollars, with debts exceeding GDP by several times. Remember the moratorium on loan payments in 90!

    From this left, who “didn’t have a beat”, you can buy a house, pay all expenses (current, heating, transportation, etc.), pay for a theater, cinema, football, buy books, set up your house. If you couldn’t buy anything on a lion, how did we live for 45 years without “material coverage” and where did everything beat us? Do you understand what nonsense they wrote?
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 20: 12
      +1
      Do you understand what nonsense they wrote?

      I understand that you do not understand anything! Unfortunately, our Bulgarians also have such ones. request
      House? How many years did you have to wait in line? And once acquired, could you sell it? Did you live in socialist Bulgaria or some other country? Dwellings were “sold” through municipal authorities! They determined the price and buyers on the lists too! There was no corruption, or what? Car? 20-30 years? Why did the old 10 summer Frets cost 2 times more expensive than the new ones? How could you get a car or a house without a queue? By special privileges if you are a "fighter against fascism"! With currency. If you are a high-ranking nomenclature. It was like that from everything! Remember coupons for gasoline? And running around to the shops, where "they let the goods in short supply"? Queues for sausages? There was bread, but you’ll be late, it’s over! Grandparents went to the "position" in advance! Can you compare the current variety of goods in stores and supermarkets with those of social services? How much was everyone looking for relatives and friends who worked in Arabian countries and had currency? Do you remember the "core"? You enter there and somehow you get into another Universe! To the theater, cinema, yes ... But why, sometimes under the line forced the "labor teams" to go on stage? Maybe because of the socialist "art" subsidized! Why for a really good movie, tickets had to be looked up from the link! It has all the necessary connections! Without personal connections, relatives, etc. the man who lived in "the fairest society" had no chance! At universities, how was it? Someone read on exams, and someone ordered a place daddy! How many fools without brains and abilities graduated from universities, and became leaders in the line of "slave phages" (the so-called where workers' departments took "representatives of the working class" without exams)? And how many gifted boys and girls were forced to study as private students, because their parents are “enemies of the people”? Can you tell how many little sons the nomenclature of the middle and top level served as border guards? About books ... The best example, the failure of socialism! I was at my faraway family visit. He is a book lover. He showed me his library! I'm crazy! A whole huge room, with the most interesting books that you can find out! I have never seen them on the shelves! I sincerely admired the ego of the collection! So huge, rich with the best books! He looked at me ambiguously and said - Yes. Here in this room, selected all the best books that I could get! But the HUGE part of the bill is not here ... She is in other rooms. There are 5 times more books that no one wants to read. I had to buy for every valuable book, another 5 which I am sorry to throw away, so I keep them in other rooms. so it was! They will put some good-selling book on sale, but you must buy with it all sorts of mischief. Proceedings of socialist authors! Even with such mockery, the queues were scary! But in general, what was not the line? Ahh .. remembered! About work!!! I’m not talking about work in principle, but about work for which I had to work! We wanted to live socialistly, consume capitalistically, but there is no such game in nature! That is all socialism! I don’t want to talk about the criminal fabric essence of this system, otherwise a new staty will turn out. hi
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 27 February 2018 12: 14
        +1
        All these deficits appeared in the 80-s, probably 70-e do not remember, but then they spoke in the USSR about Bulgaria as a socialist Switzerland.
        1. pytar
          27 February 2018 13: 13
          +1
          I remember a lot of things. Both in 60 and 70. Socialism initially solved some important problems in society. But created others. He did not manage to cope with their accumulation. Because of his inability to evolve. This happens in social systems based on top-to-bottom initiative. Power corrupts, and absolute power absolutely. If society is deprived of the opportunity to make decisions, it cannot cope with changes occurring in its environment. The tops rotted and it was natural. To periodically consume them as Stalin did, is not a solution to this fundamental problem.
  30. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 18: 57
    +2
    More than 90% of Bulgarians with social services are forced to migrate to cities. We waited 20 years to get a home! And they paid the ego for so many more years! Of course this does not apply to nomenclature!

    1. Again stupidity or ignorance. When the "Sots" people were more likely to be prevented from migrating in cities and especially in Sofia.
    2. Maybe someone lived on the street? I don’t remember such people. They are only now there. Of course, in Sofia, someone was waiting to receive a new house in place of the old one. Then in the year 60-70 thousand new houses were made and not enough. Now 9-10 thousand a year and there are no buyers.
    3. The house paid 10-15% of one salary. Despite the fact that at least two salaries hit the family and did not beat people without work and income.
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 20: 27
      +1
      Kostadinov, you write complete nonsense! belay Fair! You have complete misunderstanding! fool Better I won’t be angry with you and you shouldn’t pay attention to you. stop
  31. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 19: 00
    +1
    Nonsense from the parallel universe! I won’t even discuss it.

    No need to discuss and there is nothing to discuss. Look at the current external debt of the state and the private sector. Nothing to discuss, just the fact is enough.
  32. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 19: 01
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    Except for the modest phase 1944 - 1989

    ... in which the "People's" Republic of Bulgaria, 3 times went bankrupt! hi

    This is real nonsense. It went bankrupt and nobody in the world understood this.
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 20: 28
      +1
      no one in the world understood

      Nobody, is that you? laughing
  33. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 February 2018 19: 09
    +2
    A very strange hint in view of the fact that debt accumulated during socialism, but with social services everything / the bank, trade, industry, etc. / was state-owned.

    Why then it is necessary to vote in parliament in 1994 to turn the debt of the Bulgarian Foreign Trade Bank into states?
    Because, as the name itself shows, BVB is a bank that is not guaranteed by the state and all creditors knew it well and carried their risk like all private investors around the world. Debt has accumulated from the ineffective investment of foreign private lenders in this bank. Therefore, they agreed to a 50% reduction in debt, so that the state would cover half of their losses.
    1. pytar
      26 February 2018 20: 35
      +2
      Listen, do not make people laugh! lol And then on the one hand it is funny, but on the other it is embarrassing because of such Bulgarians as you!
      Debt has accumulated from the ineffective investment of foreign private lenders in this bank.

      Where did they invest? In the state of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria where everything was state. Through the banks of that state. And why were the investments “ineffective”? Because, the socialist BG state turned out to be ineffective. Okay. Theme for another article! And about bankrupt and BVB! It’s absolutely pointless to talk with you. I don’t want to offend, but I don’t want to shake my nerves either. If you like, live by your own ideas from socialism, which is already 20 years old dead. It looks like necrophilia, but people are different ... good
  34. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 27 February 2018 10: 28
    +3
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: pytar
    Except for the modest phase 1944 - 1989

    ... in which the "People's" Republic of Bulgaria, 3 times went bankrupt! hi

    This is real nonsense. It went bankrupt and nobody in the world understood this.

    Quote: pytar
    Kostadinov, you write complete nonsense! belay Fair! You have complete misunderstanding! fool Better I won’t be angry with you and you shouldn’t pay attention to you. stop

    But I don’t want your attention and I don’t want to offend you either, but here there are young people who don’t have personal experience and who do your raving stuff every day in the head all the media. What is only your statement that made books buy. Sometimes they gave books, but they are forced to buy? And at sea can a bit be shut up to drown?
    1. pytar
      27 February 2018 11: 18
      +1
      ..but there are young people here who do not have personal experience and who do your nonsense stuff every day in the head all the media. What is only your statement that made books buy. Sometimes they gave books, but they are forced to buy? And at sea can a bit be shut up to drown?

      Young people are not as stupid as you perceive them! They see, think and know! We have talented, capable offspring! Not crippled pseudo-communism.
      Do not flip my words! am Nowhere did I say that forced buy books! Good books were submitted from the link under the counter, or it was necessary to buy from them several other books by non-selling socialist authors in addition! Do you want do not want. Then, this socialist junk went to the "secondary seurovine".
      At sea, went and now we go. Many go to other countries on vacation. Here Greece, Adriatic (Croatia), Macedonia - Ohrid ... they are nearby. This was impossible before!
      https://rus.bg/turizm/turizm/21960-v-poslednie-5-
      let-46-bolgar-otdykhali-na-morskikh-kurortakh-bol
      garii
  35. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 27 February 2018 10: 55
    +3
    Quote: pytar
    Listen, do not make people laugh! lol And then on the one hand it is funny, but on the other it is embarrassing because of such Bulgarians as you!
    Debt has accumulated from the ineffective investment of foreign private lenders in this bank.

    Where did they invest? In the state of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria where everything was state. Through the banks of that state. And why were the investments “ineffective”? Because, the socialist BG state turned out to be ineffective. Okay. Theme for another article! And about bankrupt and BVB! It’s absolutely pointless to talk with you. I don’t want to offend, but I don’t want to shake my nerves either. If you like, live by your own ideas from socialism, which is already 20 years old dead. It looks like necrophilia, but people are different ... good

    1. The restoration of capitalism 30 years ago is more similar to necrophilia. And I can’t live under socialism in my homeland because there are such people who brought 40% of the population below the poverty line and social exclusion (official statistics) and their media 24 hours a day convince people how bad it was and how my people suffered under socialism. I’m not at all funny, but only shameful from this.
    2. Again we repeat the obvious. Western private business invested in a merchant bank at your own risk, as in all such banks in the world. Nobody zatulit this thing and they knew it very well. He invested in Western equipment (the production of computers in Pravets, the Krasnya Mogila-Radomir plant, and so on). When the restoration of capitalism began, they lost their market and investments were ineffective. All this has nothing to do with the planned socialist economy and the efficiency of the socialist state, but it is 100% connected with the inefficiency of private capital. My same is observed today in tens and hundreds of examples.
    Then western private capital through its government in 1994 managed to turn its losses into debt states, as this also happens very often under capitalism. And what was built under socialism by the state has worked for a long time and is working now, it beats it and is the pillar of our economy today (AEC, EEC, TEC Maritsa-Vostok, Neftekhim, plant G. Damyanov-Pirdop and so on).
    1. pytar
      27 February 2018 12: 05
      +1
      I do not want to enter into disputes about socialism and capitalism, since it will be endless and we will never reach one opinion. When Sots lived well, poor and uninitiated! Those who do not have the ability to make decisions! They are more convenient and comfortable when someone else from above commands! For those who are socially and politically active, who have ideas and abilities, they did not like socialism. Of course, capitalism is far from ideal! In general, each for itself is determined. People like you make one fundamental mistake! They put their personal attitude as national. And the statistics are clear! Growth matters. There is a fact - socialism is gone! He turned out to be unviable! It does not matter for what reasons! Well, it was impossible to move from such pseudo-socialism to a “bright communist future”! There is no road ahead for a crooked wheel!
      Our Bulgarians have a special mentality. Healthy conservatism and innate distrust. Developed during our complex 13 century of history. We people are resistant to informational impact. Your statement about the influence of the media is very overpowered.
      About the situation with bankruptcies and debts, I will probably write a stat. This is one of the poorly lit facts in our socialist history. So far, not enough free time! Affairs!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 27 February 2018 16: 10
        0
        take less than you want, give more than you want - and the soul will be calm
  36. antivirus
    antivirus 27 February 2018 16: 08
    0
    Mac Simka,
    on their belts and hung in toilets some
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 27 February 2018 16: 52
      +2
      So you need to take a closer look when you stretch yours. The most important thing is where.
      Dear, here is no place to joke - uv. Peter wrote a good article. It reflects the situation to this day. However, think about what will happen when those who studied and worked with you, those who worked and froze together in the trenches during the exercises are no longer alive. The memory of your ancestors will remain, but this is no longer about you. So look, do not lose what you have now.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 27 February 2018 19: 19
        0
        I believe that already lost, dear. in 87-91gg
        late

        and just Asia is on the rise. then it will be worse for someone, for whom more (of their own).
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 27 February 2018 22: 24
        +1
        antivirus 8 Today, 21:16 | How a Soviet officer destroyed the German "death camp"
        not fried for fried eggs.
        hooked with the Bulgarians. I apologize to them.
        it’s not worth Bligria’s theme, before such a Sobibor theme
        A complaint
  37. zhekazs
    zhekazs 28 February 2018 04: 40
    0
    I read the comments ... Hmm ... Honestly, people with green on the tricolor will be more appropriate for some commentators with blue on the tricolor, it feels like the yellow-black ones are “mowed” by compatriots - these are the same patterns, but omit them, and the iskander kick ... Well, God is such a judge.
    Essentially: write more articles about Bulgaria, Peter. Indeed, in Russia they somehow completely forgot about Bulgaria for a quarter of a century, and if they write, it is only in connection with energy projects and NATO movements.
    I have a question on the article: well, you don’t have this open Schengen, and why the hell do you need it? What is the problem of getting a visa and going to Schengen, given that Bulgaria is an EU member? We, in Russia, are not particularly annoying. After all, if the Bulgarians open their borders, then immediately crowds of Negroes and Arabs will rush there. Do you need it, comrades Bulgarians? They dirtied all the beaches and streets, sucked on benefits to the economy with fat ticks, divorced drugs, crime, illnesses, started creating their own terrorist cells, Paris, Berlin as an example ....
    For purchases of military equipment: look at your neighbors behind the strait and do the same - declare your readiness to purchase the N-th amount of Su-shek / MiGs or Chinese J-10-20-or-any-they-there. Amerz will immediately give you a price tag for your crafts and reduce it to an acceptable level. Or maybe you can bargain - every tenth F-35 - free laughing (joke of humor) Yes, at least the tender is open.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 28 February 2018 08: 48
      +1
      Amerz will immediately give you a price tag for your crafts and reduce it to an acceptable level. Or maybe you can bargain - every tenth F-35 - free laughing (a joke of humor) Yes, at least an open tender.

      about hidden yellow-blakitnykh: power is needed against the allies, wrote on other occasions and for a long time.

      the owners of the money of Bulgaria are in Berlin (?), not in Sofia and there they will take% of the deal with cheap f35 + military transportation.
      h enemies of the Turks and Serbs.
      never fought on one side.
      THOSE WHO WRITE HERE ARTICLES AND COMMENTS YOU ARE OUR FRIENDS (KNOW RUSSIAN LANGUAGES PSYCHOLOGY AND TP) AND THOSE HAVE SEPARATE OPINION AND "SOUTH EUROPEAN" VIEWS.
      without access to the borders of Bulgaria, as in the USSR, unfortunately, "the union cannot be obtained.
      my personal does not affect MakSimki and Peter and their priorities in life (personal and country, people)
      1. zhekazs
        zhekazs 28 February 2018 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        power is needed against allies

        "Forcibly sweet will not be." Against allies - this is purely amerovsky laughing ...
        To have allies, you need to be strong economically and politically, in our case, also geopolitically. We already passed the economic "lasso" for the Allies during the USSR - such a scheme does not work in the long run. There can only be one way - common interests.
        Quote: antivirus
        the owners of the money of Bulgaria are in Berlin (?), not in Sofia and there they will take% of the deal with cheap f35 + military transportation.

        Well, not in Berlin, but in Brussels, if you are talking about subsidies from the EU budget. Yes, theoretically, the Bulgarians can cut back on the amount of subsidies if they give up amero-weapons, but this will lead to such a screech in the Euro-media (Brussels is lobbying for the interests of the American military-industrial complex, Bulgaria is being punished economically for refusing to acquire super-expensive American weapons, etc.). European bureaucrats are unlikely to embark on such a scam. They will put pressure on the government. But the Bulgarians, the president, judging by his biography, should have a strong character and the article contains his words through the lips of his subordinates in the government.
        Quote: antivirus
        h enemies of the Turks and Serbs.
        never fought on one side.

        Turks historically are enemies of the Bulgarians, everyone knows history. But about the Serbs - I do not agree that they are the main enemies.
        Quote: pytar

        will you fight against Serbia?
        Esli Serbia will attack us or Macedonia, then YES! I personally will take Kalash and volunteer! In any case, Serbia has already steamed and will not attack anyone. We now have the best relations with the Serbs in history!

        The same Slavs. There were always graters inside. Now with Ukrainians we have graters. But not the main enemies. Let’s imagine such stupidity, Ukraine attacks Russia, let it be the Crimea. So what? Are we going to fight with them? No. We’ll give a snot, we’ll consume an army, but there will be no full-fledged war, as with Georgia, the limited use of military force.
        Quote: antivirus
        THOSE WHO WRITE HERE ARTICLES AND COMMENTS YOU ARE OUR FRIENDS (KNOW RUSSIAN LANGUAGES PSYCHOLOGY AND TP) AND THOSE HAVE SEPARATE OPINION AND "SOUTH EUROPEAN" VIEWS.

        This is natural and natural. They have a different geography, other neighbors - this leads to different behavior, views and opinions that are different from ours, sometimes we and Belarusians can argue for a long time - we also have our own, different views.
        Quote: antivirus
        without access to the borders of Bulgaria, as in the USSR, unfortunately, "the union cannot be obtained.

        If you are talking about a military-political alliance, then a joint border is desirable, but not necessary. NATO rests on the states, and their power and strength is already flowing away, like water through sand. And sooner or later, Bulgaria will face the question of choosing another center of power. Will we become a vector of attraction for Bulgaria? The question is rhetorical.
    2. pytar
      28 February 2018 10: 30
      +2
      Thanks Jeka! good I will try to publish more articles about Bulgaria and Russian-Bulgarian relations! All the same, it depends not only on me, but also on the site administration! I am ready with a few materials, but there is a problem with editing. I write grammatical errors in Russian and I need help to correct them! I would be glad if someone to offer! I agree to include him as a co-author or as a translator when publishing.
      As for Bulgaria’s desire to enter Schengen. First of all, it has image significance, as a recognition of our successes. It's a shame that Greece, having much worse results, is in Schengen, and Bulgaria, which meets all the requirements, does not accept. It is assumed that the adoption of Bulgaria in Schengen will have a beneficial effect on the development of tourism.
      As for the acquisition of weapons. Nowhere in the world do such orders pass without scandals and corruption games ... Always, someone wants to fill their pockets! You suggest a good idea, but there are a few problems. Especially with aviation. At present, Russia does not have a single fighter which, according to its characteristics, could even answer theoretically to the needs of the Bulgarian Air Force. We need an inexpensive, economical, highly maneuverable, multi-functional single-engine fighter whose avionics is compatible with NATO. No, Russia has that. It will hold open tenders, but I don’t see how Russia will be able to participate in them. I see a huge mistake with Russian aircraft manufacturers. They are not flexible and have not developed adequate solutions for such Bulgarian markets. Even the fact that Russia is a non-NATO country is not so important! Could, through a joint consortium, enter Western markets with Western firms! There is an example with the Yak-130, even though they ultimately did not agree with the Italians and parted. And the Italians on the Buzz of the same Yak-130 developed their own modification, which, although it does not reach the Gripenov and Folkonov class, shows the right direction! There is a stat here on VO!
      https://topwar.ru/132195-italyanskiy-uchebno-boev
      oy-samolet-m-346-stanet-legkim-istrebitelem.html

      Italian combat training aircraft M-346 will be a light fighter

      I'm at 100% sure that MiG RSK could achieve much better results on the development of this machine in the Italian way! Why not? A variant of a joint venture of Bulgarian, European, etc. firms? Bad management at Russian companies! For me it's a fact!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 28 February 2018 21: 25
        +1
        about belts and toilets with an apology:

        In any case, Bulgaria is the first on the way to Europe. You Bulgarians are offended by the "platform country". THIS IS! fact 40 years ago, Sh De Gaulle’s words “Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals” moved the masses into the second detente. Now you still decide whether you are extreme and sideways in Europe.
        In perestroika, there were a lot of words about the civilizational choice of the USSR, then Russia - "European democracy and the like";
        and modestly did not mention much about culture - Europe in the east, not along the border of the USSR or the Volga, or along the Urals, but according to civilization ... wildness - decreases Hebrew, prosperity - to the Urals and further to the East
        ALL THIS IS ABOUT INFLUENCE ON THE WEST-EAST LINE.
        21B-CENTURY OF ASIA AND DR V, AF AFICA North-South Line.
        Now about the vestibule, how will you defend yourself from the south?
        You are the first on the path of barbarians and you are the first to decide.
        do not turn your back.
        who will help you to remain Bulgarians?
        NATO and the EU consider everything in dollars yuro (assets), not people ("original culture")
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 1 March 2018 23: 28
          +1
          Apologies are accepted.
          Unfortunately you are right - the time is coming for supranational corporations, not states. So everywhere and any person will be considered in terms of profit (currency does not matter).
      2. zhekazs
        zhekazs 1 March 2018 02: 21
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        not only depends on me, but also on the site administration

        It is strange that the site administration cannot resolve this issue. Correctors of texts they have run out of something. Write to them that readers require your articles. wink
        Quote: pytar
        to Schengen. First of all, it has an image value ... will have a beneficial effect on the development of tourism.

        Image is nothing - thirst for everything! Well, what about refugees from Africa and the Middle East? Do you need these crowds of parasites who will spoil on your streets and scare away with their dirty appearance respectable burghers and prim ladies? Russians and relatives in spirit may not notice them, but a well-groomed western tourist may not like this.
        On armaments: the article does not mention which types of aircraft do not suit the price of stripes, so I can not judge. You have a military pilot, he knows best.
        Quote: pytar
        I'm at 100% sure that MiG RSK could achieve much better results on the development of this machine in the Italian way! Why not? A variant of a joint venture of Bulgarian, European, etc. firms? Bad management at Russian companies! For me it's a fact!

        Machines (Su, Migi), first of all, are made for themselves, that is, according to the specified performance characteristics from the Ministry of Defense, without regard to possible buyers from other countries. And no one will allow foreigners to their secret technologies, experience with the Indians, in this regard, is remarkable.
        1. pytar
          1 March 2018 10: 35
          +3
          It is strange that the site administration cannot resolve this issue. Correctors of texts they have run out of something.

          Well, correcting texts is not their responsibility. In addition, probably not all the stats offered to me respond to site policies. Whatever it was, I will rely on friends! good
          Image is nothing - thirst for everything!

          With proper marketing, the image is converted into profit. For tourism, this is important! Some bureaucratic membranes will disappear!
          Well, what about refugees from Africa and the Middle East?

          Entering Schengen for Bulgaria will not change the situation with refugees. The Bulgarian-Turkish border is THE MOST PROTECTED OF EVERYONE IN THE EU! In addition to border guards, it is guarded by voluntary paramilitary groups. In addition, a professional foreign security company also operates. There is a stobor, video surveillance and everything you need. Bulgaria is the most inhospitable place for Islamic migrants in the EU. So it is written in the migrant’s memos issued by the Turkish refugee authorities. They are struggling to get around Bulgaria. There are no more than 3-4 thousand in the BG. migrants. Max. reached 9 thousand. Those who still arrive do not stay long. In 705, the Bulgarian Kan Terver, under Constantinople, helped the Byzantines to stop the Arabian invasion in Europe. In the 14 century, the Balkan countries did not take history into account and allowed the Turks. For that they paid off with the 5 century of slavery. Now the Bulgarians took a lesson and coolly locked the doors from the southeast. The truth is now Bulgarian employers are promoting the bill at 30% of the quota for hiring foreigners. Workers do not grab, and the Bulgarians no longer want to work for a penny. It would be more reasonable to facilitate the relocation of the Bulgarian diasporas in their homeland! It is more than a million Bulgarians living in other countries.
          On armaments: the article does not mention which types of aircraft do not suit the price of stripes, so I can not judge. You have a military pilot, he knows best.

          In Bulgaria, this issue has been discussed publicly for a long time. Theme for another article. President Gen. R. Radev has all the competencies, but he does not solve the problem.
          Cars (Su, Migi), first of all, do for themselves

          It is understandable, but it was within their power to create an inexpensive to operate, single-engine, lightweight, maneuverable, supersonic fighter for foreign markets. You can learn from the Chinese. The same JF-17 "Thunder" is an impressive development of an older model. Especially for export!

          https://topwar.ru/110396-jf-17-thunder-perehodit-
          v-5-e-pokolenie-v-razy-bystrey-progressa-tejas-i-
          amca-uprezhdayuschiy-hod-kitaya-chast-1.html
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 2 March 2018 11: 48
            0
            + for clarifying the situation in Bulgaria.
            1 engine - old approaches, and 2 engines expensive?
        2. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 1 March 2018 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: zhekazs
          Write to them that readers require your articles.


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          1. pytar
            2 March 2018 00: 09
            +1
            laughing Good Chew! good
      3. alatanas
        alatanas 1 March 2018 18: 17
        +3
        Vinagi might and did help - styga and iskash.
        1. pytar
          2 March 2018 00: 10
          +1
          Thanks! Now I’m upsetting, kato zavrsha, a bit of a project, and I’ve confused Koito. good