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NYT - IOC: Enough! Return the flag to the Russian and make real changes.

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In an american newspaper The New York Times There was a material that discusses the performance of the Russian national team under the neutral Olympic flag at the Olympics in Pyeongchang. Journalist Juliet Makur writes that the XI-2018 Olympics is coming to an end, and the time has come for the International Olympic Committee to finally decide whether the Russian team suffered sufficient punishment for the doping program or not to allow Russian athletes to go under the flag Russian Federation.


Makur writes that, despite the neutral status of Russian athletes, they generally have “no neutral status at all, and everyone understands this very well.”

NYT - IOC: Enough! Return the flag to the Russian and make real changes.


Makur:
This moaning about a flag and a ban on its use becomes really tedious. Stop this farce already. Enough! Just return the Russian flag. It’s time for the IOC to admit that this whole undertaking with an attempt to punish the Russians with the ban on displaying national symbols failed miserably. The IOC, apparently, in such an absurd way, tried to show who's boss. But it all happened toothless.


Further, Ms. Makur stated that Russia "must be finally removed from the very possibility of doping control." For this, according to the journalist NYT, you need to create an "independent anti-doping task force." Apparently, Makur is not aware of the fact that in recent years, Russia has already been removed from control over the doping tests of athletes: instead of RUSALA, the British have worked for Russian athletes. Now, therefore, it is necessary to remove the British anti-doping structure ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 February 2018 14: 52
    +16
    An interesting article. And the conclusions are interesting. It’s all just in the void. This is a political and not a sporting decision. It follows that Russia does not require the exclusion of doping, but changes in policy
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 23 February 2018 14: 53
      +50
      It is necessary to return to the origins and speak to everyone at the Olympics without clothes smile
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 February 2018 14: 55
        +10
        Do you want to increase interest in these competitions? hi
        Quote: Thrall
        It is necessary to return to the origins and speak to everyone at the Olympics without clothes smile
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 23 February 2018 14: 56
          +14
          Quote: 210ox
          Do you want to increase interest in these competitions?

          And that too. Well, the constant willingness to pass a doping test, again smile
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 23 February 2018 15: 29
          +25
          210ox
          Do you want to increase interest in these competitions?
          100%. The first time I didn’t see that I didn’t see a single competition from the Olympics. There is no interest at all.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 February 2018 15: 31
          +20
          HOORAY!

          Ours in the semi-finals of hockey!good

          A wonderful gift for the country and the peasants on the Defender of the Fatherland Day!

          All a happy holiday and victory! good
          1. serg999
            serg999 23 February 2018 15: 34
            +18
            In the finals, in the finals already ...
            1. 210ox
              210ox 23 February 2018 16: 39
              +13
              And it looks like they’re meeting with a non-fool .. They’re tearing Canadians. Here is the circus.
              Quote: serg999
              In the finals, in the finals already ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 17: 23
                0
                Quote: 210ox
                Canadians they are fighting.

                yes debatable, already 4-3
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 February 2018 11: 00
              0
              Quote: serg999
              In the finals, in the finals already ...

              I confused it with joy .... request hi
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 16: 12
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            Ours in the semi-finals of hockey!

            by the time of the post they were already in the finals
          3. SOF
            SOF 23 February 2018 18: 22
            +3
            ... Ilyukha said that on the 23rd they had no right to play otherwise ....
        4. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 24 February 2018 08: 30
          0
          Yeah, especially among the current tolerant European population.
      2. Dmitry Belovetsky
        Dmitry Belovetsky 23 February 2018 14: 57
        +12
        It will be a sight to behold!
        All the blues will run into the arena.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 23 February 2018 14: 58
          +2
          So it was once ...
      3. 3 Gorynych
        3 Gorynych 23 February 2018 15: 24
        +3
        fully support ....
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 16: 12
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        It is necessary to return to the origins and speak to everyone at the Olympics without clothes
        Reply Quote Complaint

        I am for repeat , but they won’t allow it
      5. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 24 February 2018 05: 58
        +8
        Quote: Thrall
        It is necessary to return to the origins and speak to everyone at the Olympics without clothes smile

        If the Nigeria national team silt the CARs were stripped of their flag and anthem, no one would have noticed. And Russia ... They increased the main competitors for "gold", deprived the flag, anthem ... Yes, ours are fighting as they can. And the fans are even bigger than the Olympians ... Only I would not go. Without a flag, without a hymn - shame and humiliation. In the 80's, this was understood and there were Goodwill Games. And now - "they worked hard, they went through life for them all over ..." Their choice, God is their judge - not me ... But I personally would not have gone without a flag and anthem. BUT "the team of Olympic athletes from Russia" - propaganda of rootless cosmopolitanism. The fact that our youngsters are already 30 years old inserted into the head. Judging by this "Olympics" - well ... Goebbels approves ....
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          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 24 February 2018 11: 25
            +6
            Quote: Vkd dvk
            Russian cruisers "Varyag" curse. Change Loot and Bronze for HONOR

            Our proud "Varangian" surrenders to the enemies of the Ek, nobody wants mercy
            We were so taught in Ryazan ....
      6. Abracadabrus
        Abracadabrus 26 February 2018 12: 29
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        It is necessary to return to the origins and speak to everyone at the Olympics without clothes smile

        This is no longer relevant. Olympiwada has already turned into solid pornography.
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 23 February 2018 15: 10
      +23
      The Russians end the patience. I would like the Soviet Union to return.
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 23 February 2018 15: 38
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      An interesting article. And the conclusions are interesting.

      Only the conclusions should be ours! All "patients" for treatment! All WADA systems annihilate! And create a new accounting system for "asthmatics" and those who are afraid of "height"
      1. Hoc vince
        Hoc vince 23 February 2018 16: 10
        +9
        Previously, Catholics were sold indulgences for exemption from punishment for sins. Now WADA is actually doing the same for selected athletes - freeing them from punishment for doping.
        Times are changing, but for these guys everything remains the same!
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 24 February 2018 06: 01
        +8
        Quote: Tol100v
        All "patients" for treatment! All WADA systems annihilate! And create a new accounting system for "asthmatics" and those who are afraid of "height"

        The entire Norwegian ski team - at the steam olympics !!!! There sick people do miracles. Well, let asthmatics from Norway "podderichutsya" there ........
    4. tol100v
      tol100v 23 February 2018 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      that Russia does not require exclusion of doping, but a change in policy

      From the beginning, Russia will demand from the SGA to remove idiots, idiots from power, and then all the rest!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 February 2018 18: 45
        +7
        modern "Olympic Games" -so-so ... I don’t understand the men on sleds driving downhill, it doesn’t matter how to call: bobsleigh, skeleton ... (hell ... well, the name ...) there’s still a curling game. ..babz, the monks of Scotland, rolled stones on ice, slurping ale, and bam! Olympic discipline ... no ... it's not that ... I understand biathlon, skiing, and even freestyle, but sledges with men .. . "Danunafig" these "games" ... and 140 BMWs prepared for the "Olympics" will brighten up any defeat ... well, + grandmothers ...
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 18: 49
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I do not understand men on sleds chasing from a hill

          and on a "cart" with horses you understand? laughing
          1. ul_vitalii
            ul_vitalii 23 February 2018 19: 06
            +6
            lol As if the Germans did not find meldonium.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 21: 22
              +1
              I’ll say that the stauzy in the toilet poked a hole and replaced the thread
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 24 February 2018 06: 13
          +5
          Yurevich, hi ! With the past soldier !
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          skeleton ... (damn ... well, the name ...)
          skeleton - I don’t know who invented it, but how much I know English (I read Shakespeare in the original a little) is what stood in our school in the biology classroom. THIS IS SKELETON (in English, at least)

          And what does sledding have to do with it? Old me, I don’t understand .....
  2. Dmitry Belovetsky
    Dmitry Belovetsky 23 February 2018 14: 52
    +16
    It is necessary to disperse this IOC with WADA!
    The devil knows that from the Olympic lists were made political lists!
    1. GRF
      GRF 23 February 2018 17: 50
      +4
      Ahhhh, the humiliation is now watered correctly sound-political lists ....

      States need to be dispersed - states!
      And - freedom to the Scots!
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      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 24 February 2018 04: 39
        +1
        Yes, yes, and "disperse" into atoms good so that the vitrified desert on their territory remained from them. bully
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 24 February 2018 06: 23
        +6
        Quote: GRF
        And - freedom to the Scots!

        And Barcelona! And to the Swabians! California and Texas (annexed? Occupied? By analogy with the Crimea ....) - Mexico. Alaska, "donated" in a heap with the support of the "North" in their Civil War - to the base, to Russia. America will die, and Texas and California, annexed and occupied, will not give up ....good drinks Let them split up ... "Divide and rule!" - I remember who said that, I read a history textbook at school before holes back in August ....
        And if the conversation comes to the Indians ....

  3. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 23 February 2018 14: 56
    +1
    Ms. Makur said that Russia “needs to be completely removed from the very possibility of controlling doping.” For this, according to a NYT journalist, it is necessary to create an "independent anti-doping special group." Apparently, Makur is not aware that in recent years Russia has already been removed from control of athletes' doping tests: instead of RUSADA, the British worked with respect to Russian athletes. Now, therefore, the British anti-doping structure must also be removed ...
    Tin! And this is not some kind of yellow newspaper, but a serious publication that shapes public opinion not only in New York. So the first part (stop foolishly toiling) is fully compensated for the second (Afftar, learn the materiel).
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 February 2018 14: 56
    +10
    Ms. Makur further stated that Russia “needs to be completely removed from the very possibility of controlling doping.”

    And then generally from participating in the Olympics. Sly on soft paws lead to the decisions that they need.
  5. HAM
    HAM 23 February 2018 15: 02
    +7
    It’s not about the athletes, but about the politicians. I’m afraid that after some time the baiting of our figure-girls will begin, I’ll explain, the Canadians really want the first place. And even if our hockey players take the gold, they will be poisoned, and again behind them worth Canada.
    1. HAM
      HAM 23 February 2018 15: 18
      +4
      Everything will go into action: both the "clubs of the wrong system" (remember? It was already) and frank gossip, and, as it were, meldonium ....
  6. Stas Snezhin
    Stas Snezhin 23 February 2018 15: 08
    +5
    So, now, someone decides to walk Russian with or without a flag ..
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 February 2018 15: 11
    +4
    Please remove this article from here! To write about alleged sportsmen without a fleet and an anthem, as well as to read about them below human dignity! am
    1. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 23 February 2018 15: 28
      +4
      without which fleet? I'm not aware that I missed something.
      But our Czechs kicked 3: 0
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 23 February 2018 15: 30
        +3
        Did they go at the opening under the flag of Russia ???
        1. Zadayvoprosy
          Zadayvoprosy 23 February 2018 16: 38
          +1
          Sorry, of course, that I get in, but is it handy to demand our flag from athletes to someone who has this flag neither on the avatar, nor to the right of the name?
        2. Hammerlock
          Hammerlock 23 February 2018 16: 50
          0
          but at the close with the flag will be
    2. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 26 February 2018 06: 28
      0
      I ask you to remove you, supposedly a patriot who is splitting society.
  8. Esoteric
    Esoteric 23 February 2018 15: 16
    +10
    To prevent this from happening again, it is necessary to establish the procedure for sampling for doping the same for everyone, without exception. Without any retreat. There are some medical contraindications - to the Paralympics. Let the “asthmatic champions” and the “choleric champions” break their heads right on the pedestal with prostheses, crutches and invalid canes. But at the Olympics, everyone is equal and the battle for victory is only in competition. Samples should be taken before and after the competition. And all this time the athletes are in the Olympic Village should be recorded on camera so that there are no complaints. It's all so simple. yes In addition, IOC members should not disrupt training plans.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 23 February 2018 15: 32
    +7
    A large variety of business, politics has long been introduced into it, and now they drove in like a bulldozer!
    Personal choice to watch - do not watch!
    I don’t look, but I hear the results. Well done girls! The "Red Car" is good for Canadians, forgive everything, the shit-shit - kam u, kamu and that’s worth it!
    Since a big sport is a business, self-sufficiency of it is, to a greater extent, mass sport is the prerogative of the state, including!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 23 February 2018 22: 53
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The Red Car is good for Canadians,

      no, now the Germans - operation "Bagration" ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 February 2018 10: 57
        +3
        Thank. Already in the know ... unexpectedly happened!
        This is the only one at this olympiad that interests me .... for our beautiful athletes, I am a fan by definition! Our young ladies are the best in the world !!!
  10. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 23 February 2018 15: 35
    +4
    Shit, not OI. To look at it all is not to respect yourself. Continue to talk about that everything is beautiful and violet - Mutko support. Let Guberniev dance to the heart, but now all kinds of winter sports, thanks to him - a complete anus.
    Do not touch hockey !!!
  11. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 23 February 2018 16: 01
    +5
    REAL CHANGE NEEDED. And to destroy the race for results, which inevitably leads to drugs and doping, in GROWING RESULTS. It is necessary to fix a simple championship in competitions, not counting the temporary, weighted results of past competitions.
    You just need to record the fact of superiority. That is, return to the Greek Olympics rating system. They didn’t keep protocols with the parameters of achievements.
    1. Simple
      Simple 23 February 2018 17: 45
      +2
      It can only be on another planet where there is no USA.

      The Olympic Games have long been a tool of politics.

      But for Russia this will not be the last "neutral" olimriad.
      And these "independent anti-doping special group" (or whatever they are)
      will be in every sports center in Russia.
      This is an undeclared war.
  12. igorka357
    igorka357 23 February 2018 17: 09
    0
    Yes ... what did you say about the pink scooter ...? I’ll specially find Harkna in profile, a 2-0 semi-final, and Chekhov shouldn’t give it to your grandmother .. Canada-Russia, eternal, principled and difficult rivals, but there will be a victory behind us!!!
  13. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 23 February 2018 17: 49
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    And it’s not foolish to meet.

    And the Germans set the victory 1: 7. Someone probably well "raised the dough."
    Ours need to take seriously the game in the finals, without hatred!
  14. Div Divich
    Div Divich 23 February 2018 17: 52
    +2
    It was necessary to wave the flag of the Soviet Union, it is not prohibited laughing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 18: 50
      +2
      so there they wave Russian be healthy, and when necessary, Korean cops are sent to all known addresses
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 23 February 2018 19: 15
        +5
        Our people are used to doing the opposite, if they had allowed the flags, they would not have seen one, and so God himself ordered. laughing
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 23 February 2018 21: 23
          +2
          Well, here you are wrong, ours are always with flags in the stands
  15. Under the dome
    Under the dome 23 February 2018 19: 37
    0
    stuck with athletes
  16. K-50
    K-50 23 February 2018 20: 10
    +3
    Ms. Makur further stated that Russia “needs to be completely removed from the very possibility of doping control”

    Yeah, not only did the Russian athletes find themselves guilty of the main mass without guilt, but now we still won’t be able to control the results of doping tests? fool
    Why the hell do you need such games? I used to always look with pleasure, but now look at what? On everyday "assaults" and accusations? Why do we need such competitions, where some legally use doping drugs and this is the norm, while others even for one SUSPICION, quietly accused of all “sins” without proof and depriving themselves of the opportunity to participate and already won awards? the Olympic movement, as apolitical itself has outlived itself and now completely depends on the favor of both the FSA and their hangers-on. And what is ours to go there for humiliation? NAH REN !!! am
  17. andron-30
    andron-30 23 February 2018 21: 23
    +1
    what does it mean to return the flag to the Russians, OUR RUSSIAN FLAG, no one has ever selected, without faking doping company, not IOC statements "Russians could, were ready, used, could pass the recipe for teleportation with mendolin out to terrestrial civilizations (norway we can’t rumble Torches of which the world did not see with the help of ephedrine, they did not catch such a buzz, but Russians from aspirin doping)
  18. aud13
    aud13 23 February 2018 21: 31
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    Quote: 210ox
    Do you want to increase interest in these competitions?

    And that too. Well, the constant willingness to pass a doping test, again smile

    A strange situation with these samples. Traces of drugs considered doping (meldonium) are found, in athletes who have this drug as a dead poultice.
    Knowing the attitude of VAD to our athletes, I even thought: And those test tubes for samples and analyzes were not pre-processed by well-wishers? In this case, pour at least clean baby urine into it - dope will come out anyway.
    As there was a case with a drunk boy in the suburbs.
  19. Altona
    Altona 23 February 2018 21: 38
    +1
    The funny thing is that the Norwegians are the leaders in the medal classification, having brought legally 6000 doses of salbutamol, in fact doping and 150 TUE certificates (therapeutic permits for taking asthma drugs). But the journalist for some reason did not say so. The team that officially uses doping leads. laughing laughing
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 February 2018 22: 14
      +4
      There is an opinion by the way.
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  21. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 24 February 2018 11: 01
    +2
    Russia should propose the dissolution of the Anglo-Saxon IOC, as a corrupt and committed organization and establishment of the IOC on the principles established by De Coubertin. It is necessary to completely revise the principles of managing the Olympic Movement, where Olympic champions (sports specialists) should be members of the IOC, not Anglo-Saxon lords and their puppets. And WADA must work with anonymous analyzes that are encrypted at the sampling stage, independent of WADA, organization, etc. etc.
  22. ALEXANDER ABDRAKHMANOV_2
    ALEXANDER ABDRAKHMANOV_2 25 February 2018 08: 52
    +2
    American athletes are all drug addicts - why this sports plague is not excluded from the Olympics. Or the Olympics are only for them - let alone play this shameful sport. Why such a sport is needed in the world.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 25 February 2018 11: 13
      +2
      And they have a saleswoman cleaning super patriotic !!! I lost my job, but I ditched all the doping tests!