Chinese officials will swear allegiance with words about the "great socialist state"

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The Chinese Xinhua News Agency publishes material on plans to amend the text of the state oath of allegiance to the country's constitution. It should be noted that such an oath in China is brought by all persons who are vested with the authority of officials at various levels and branches of government.

The All-China People’s Assembly will consider an initiative to add two additional terms to the text of the oath. If by now officials, taking an oath of constitutional loyalty, read the phrase about "loyalty to the socialist state", then after the upcoming reform, the phrase will sound like this: "loyalty to the great and modern socialist state."



Chinese officials will swear allegiance with words about the "great socialist state"


For reference: this kind of oath is taken by all the officials of the People’s Republic of China without exception since the beginning of 2016. The introduction of such a rule was justified by the fact that the official, as well as the soldier, in essence, is on guard of state interests, and therefore must swear allegiance to the country, its citizens and the basic law.

For violation of the oath of allegiance to the constitution, the official faces severe criminal penalties, depending on the degree of damage to the interests of the state.
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  1. +16
    23 February 2018 07: 59
    For violation of the oath of allegiance to the constitution, the official faces severe criminal penalties, depending on the degree of damage to the interests of the state.
    +100500, we must be forced to accept ours, but for violation under the tribunal good
    1. +7
      23 February 2018 08: 11
      The idea is absolutely true. And about ours .. No honor, no conscience. What oath? For the "idea" let them work ..
      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
      For violation of the oath of allegiance to the constitution, the official faces severe criminal penalties, depending on the degree of damage to the interests of the state.
      +100500, we must be forced to accept ours, but for violation under the tribunal good
      1. +9
        23 February 2018 08: 57
        Quote: 210ox
        No honor, no conscience. What oath?

        and there will be an oath - they will go under the tribunal, maybe it will appear?
        1. +15
          23 February 2018 09: 14
          Sickle and hammer on a red cloth -
          Where did you go, my homeland?
          You fought with the "bourgeois" domineering
          And she won, as far as I know.
          But somewhere “rot” sprang up, and all the labors in vain ...
          Tear stingy edging, I will remember you.
          Your sickle and hammer on the red cloth ...
          Where did you go, my homeland?
          1. +5
            23 February 2018 09: 37
            Quote: Logall
            But somewhere “rot” sprang up, and all the labors in vain ...
            yes, something like this request
            1. +1
              23 February 2018 11: 36
              Quote: Angel_and_Demon
              yes, something like this

              Not so! stop Well, something like this:
              But somewhere “rot” sprouted, and all labors are in vain ...
        2. +3
          23 February 2018 09: 25
          Well, then they will need to give out a gun ... with one cartridge.
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          Quote: 210ox
          No honor, no conscience. What oath?

          and there will be an oath - they will go under the tribunal, maybe it will appear?
          1. +4
            23 February 2018 09: 37
            Quote: 210ox
            Well, then they will need to give out a gun ... with one cartridge.

            no - when fined - sell
            1. +2
              23 February 2018 11: 20
              Quote: Angel_and_Demon

              no - when fined - sell

              On the organs. Their tripe is fed on high-quality nutrition. Let such, besides confiscation, bring benefit.
            2. +7
              23 February 2018 13: 04
              Speaking of the Chinese.
              If a Chinese official is found guilty of violating the law for which the death penalty is due, then after the sentence is executed, the family is billed - the cost of one cartridge.
              The remaining services are at the expense of the state.
        3. +4
          23 February 2018 12: 31
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          and there will be an oath - they will go under the tribunal, maybe it will appear?

          There will be no oath, but an increase in taxes and prices will be necessary.
    2. +7
      23 February 2018 08: 22
      Well done Chinese! Our officials also swear, but no use. Decent in the system do not take root. winked
      1. +10
        23 February 2018 08: 59
        Quote: siberalt
        Decent in the system do not take root.

        so can start dishonorable shoot? then decent ones will take root - weeds will stop drowning
      2. +2
        23 February 2018 09: 10
        Quote: siberalt
        Our officials also swear, but no use.

        and they are behind, fingers crossed ...
        1. dSK
          +3
          23 February 2018 10: 15
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          and they

          Where are your Lenin, Stalin ?? Personnel crisis?
          They rolled out the "left", non-partisan Grudinin. fellow
          1. +5
            23 February 2018 16: 00
            Quote from dsk
            Where are your Lenin, Stalin ?? Personnel crisis?

            Where are Lenin and Stalin ??? In the memory of the people and in history as great political and economic figures.
            And about staff shortages, now he is especially strong. Because there are only koeckers around, miscarriages of the liberal democratic system and education, nestlings of the 90s nest. The lost and stupid generation. Neither mind nor imagination. One large-block repair in the head, and even that through the crooked manipulators.
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          2. +2
            23 February 2018 18: 25
            Quote from dsk
            Where are your Lenin, Stalin ??

            have long since died ... are you really like that. Or are you fooling around?
          3. 0
            24 February 2018 15: 13
            First, Grudinin, and then the new Stalin, everything is consistent.
      3. +10
        23 February 2018 09: 27
        Our officials also swear, but only
        Our officials swear only to their cooperative, which pops up later, after a certain time.
        1. +7
          23 February 2018 12: 06
          Of course they swear. Like that:
          Officer Oath.
          I, a resident of the Russian Federation, joining the ranks of the official class accept the Oath and, if possible, promise to be. I assume the right to comply with the laws of the Russian state. I undertake to respect my relatives and friends with respect and to be their faithful defender in accordance with the constitutional order. I swear to be resistant to the requests and pleas of ordinary citizens of our country, uncompromisingly endure their hardships and hardships. Keep secret the size of their monetary allowances, bonuses. Share kickbacks with superiors in accordance with the position. If I violate this Oath, then let me be dismissed from office due to the "loss of confidence" and put on another, less noticeable, so that I can return my lost trust with my faithful service.
    3. +10
      23 February 2018 08: 40
      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
      For violation of the oath of allegiance to the constitution, the official faces severe criminal penalties, depending on the degree of damage to the interests of the state.
      +100500, we must be forced to accept ours, but for violation under the tribunal good

      so it’s not possible with us, how can one swear allegiance to the people under capitalism? Capitalism does not imply this; it implies a robbery of the people.
      1. +5
        23 February 2018 09: 00
        Quote: Svarog
        how can you swear allegiance to the people under capitalism?

        and here - let them try spinning, it won’t work - at the expense of
        1. dSK
          +4
          23 February 2018 10: 17
          "The wealthier, the happier!"

          Congratulations to all the participants in the "Day of Defender of the Fatherland!" soldier
    4. +4
      23 February 2018 15: 44
      Do we have tribunals?
      1. 0
        24 February 2018 05: 05
        If Now we do not introduce a tribunal - Tomorrow there will be "troika" extraditions. fool negative Do you want that? Then, no one thought that “now we’ll steal a bit”, “the soldiers do not mind the women still giving birth”, and then - bam and through one to the lights, and after one - with a bayonet in the gateway. negative The empire died due to the fact that the tribunals did not enter in time.
    5. +1
      23 February 2018 18: 28
      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
      ours must be made to accept
      Yes, they themselves wanted to crank it up.
      From what a fright such thoughts appeared - I have no idea. However, such thoughts are no longer heard ... "recovered", probably ...
  2. +2
    23 February 2018 08: 03
    We have to take an oath for officials to “be loyal to the great and modern oligarchic state”. sad
    1. +3
      23 February 2018 08: 22
      Take an interest in the definition of the word "oligarch". And look for them in modern Russia ... You will be very surprised. wassat
      1. +1
        23 February 2018 08: 39
        At your recommendation, I looked at no. This one fell first.
        Military Review ● News
        Russian oligarchs will be forced to explain the luxurious life in London
        February 3 2018

        Yes
        1. 0
          23 February 2018 10: 01
          Russian oligarchs

          In our country it is not clear which oligarchs, in your understanding, are those whom officials will allow ... But we do not have capitalism ...
          1. +4
            23 February 2018 10: 31

            tasha
            In our country it is not clear which state

            Why is it incomprehensible? We live in a state of peripheral comprador-oligarchic capitalism with a liberal superstructure. feel The definition is suitable for all counts.
            the oligarchs in your understanding are those whom officials will allow ..

            In different ways, but to a certain extent, yes.
            But we have no capitalism ...

            And we have about 25 years of capitalism, approximately. So much fellow
            1. +1
              23 February 2018 12: 45
              I can’t agree ... We don’t even smell of comprador-oligarchic capitalism .. We most likely have state-bureaucratic-semi-feudalism-sex
              socialism, alas .. However, the terms they are, the terms ..
              I have a good friend. He created production, hired workers .. The capitalist and the bourgeois, in short ... And they came to him from the governor - they ask the government’s fund a monthly amount ... Is that capitalism?
              And as a joke: Repeat the situation - they also came to the kids. They are asking for money. In reply to them - all questions to Moscow - to Mr. Namenarek ... And the enemy’s force retreated wink
              1. 0
                23 February 2018 13: 23
                Quote: tasha
                I have a good friend. He created production, hired workers .. The capitalist and the bourgeois, in short ... And they came to him from the governor - they ask the government’s fund a monthly amount ... Is that capitalism?

                Unfortunately, such things are now the norm.
          2. +9
            23 February 2018 12: 03
            Quote: tasha
            But we have no capitalism ...
            Our capitalism lies in foreign banks and foreign currency. Capitalism now, this is a unipolar world in which a world leader has already formed, the owner of the system, and "our" capitalism will be determined by someone else's rules, under a foreign uncle. Do not build illusions here, while Russia is in a foreign pole, this is how we will have “our” capitalism. As for China, let them swear something, their “socialism” is much closer to German national socialism, with the difference that the whole world is for the Chinese, not for the Germans. The Chinese "national communists" are much more dangerous for us here than the Nazis were. Hitler was allowed to rise to destroy the USSR, as far as possible, the "Chinese miracle" was also allowed to take place against the USSR, Russia. Chinese nationalists are now gaining power, sucking Soviet military technology from Russian merchants; when they mature, they will no longer smile at us. China does not hide its territorial claims to all neighboring countries, as well as its goal, world hegemony. In my opinion, there is nothing for us to rejoice in this, for a long time we need to decide on a long-term policy in national security and in national interests. And, most importantly, the faster Russia breaks up with capitalism, the better, without socialism, we cannot survive, and our government’s power to inflate our cheeks is exactly as long as the Soviet safety margin remains, and without the Soviet legacy, we would have with Russia acted like with Yugoslavia or Iraq.
          3. +5
            23 February 2018 15: 49
            Quote: tasha
            Russian oligarchs

            In our country it is not clear which oligarchs, in your understanding, are those whom officials will allow ... But we do not have capitalism ...

            Means of production are not public? So capitalism. Or did you think capitalism is when everything is fair? laughing Capitalism has many faces, but all are greedy, therefore there is nothing good in it from the word "in general".
            1. 0
              23 February 2018 18: 34
              Non-public capital goods

              Public is how? When at the top of the five-story building it says "Plant is our common heritage!". What a fairy tale ...
    2. +9
      23 February 2018 08: 42
      first lines ... I promise to rob, steal and export everything abroad ..
      1. +4
        23 February 2018 10: 06
        and hand on the checkbook ...
  3. 0
    23 February 2018 08: 18
    That would be for our - to make ... And for the violation - without statute of limitations! In war as in war ...
    1. +2
      23 February 2018 10: 00
      To do this, you must first get rid of capitalism. Otherwise, the meaning of zero.
  4. +1
    23 February 2018 08: 18
    As I understand it, taking an oath by a government official is 100% work capacity. And 200% to punishment.
    And the actions of the PRC leadership are correct. The official must understand both the measure of responsibility and the measure of trust.
    It’s just that the changes are not entirely clear. The modern social-country fatherland? What didn’t the old lines go? Or are changes like perestroika coming?
  5. +2
    23 February 2018 08: 20
    The idea is very correct, although it’s time for us to learn from the Chinese. They are not embarrassed to shoot the stolen officials and put them in prison, while they don’t particularly look at criticism from abroad.
  6. +5
    23 February 2018 08: 26
    to amend the text of the state oath of allegiance to the constitution of the country
    The Chinese are completely right. The clerk really is on guard of state interests. And we have introduced (or tried to introduce) some moral standards for the official. Why laugh at what moral standards are for an official who (the main part) is eager to take this post for personal gain. More so-called "liberalism" in the country, the more unstable the situation.
  7. +1
    23 February 2018 08: 30
    The oath is not for our officials ...
    1. +3
      23 February 2018 10: 05
      ] Vladimir Putin approved a list of instructions following a meeting of the Anti-Corruption Council held January 26 2016 years.
      ... to submit, in the established manner, proposals: on the introduction of the procedure for taking the oath by state civil servants and disciplinary liability in the event that facts of its violation are established;
      Deadline is April 1, 2016.
      Responsible: Ivanov SB
      On July 19, the President’s Office for Combating Corruption introduced a draft federal law providing for public servants to be sworn in, the Kremlin’s website reported.
      And silence...
      1. +1
        23 February 2018 11: 00
        And the dead with braids stand .. Nonsense! .. Nonsense? ... Nonsense ... wink
  8. +4
    23 February 2018 08: 48
    Socialist economy in action! I envy China, and we sold for sausage and jeans .. oh damn! They rob us godlessly. after the collapse of the USSR and nothing we can oppose to this yet!
    1. 0
      23 February 2018 08: 55
      R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ am -if you sold for sausage and rags to someone, then this is your problem! And for the whole country do not tell rubbish! !! fool am
      1. +2
        23 February 2018 13: 59
        Quote: Herkulesich
        R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ am -if you sold for sausage and rags to someone, then this is your problem! And for the whole country do not tell rubbish! !! fool am

        Well, of course you survive on the small gardens and petty speculation, judging by the peppy comments! he he
        I always feel such a pensioner !!!! Soon we will be dispossessed of such .. Get ready grandfather! and pull the sawn-off shotgun ... laughing NKVD restore! (The State Duma has already approved)))
    2. +3
      23 February 2018 10: 23
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Socialist economy in action! I envy China, and we sold for sausage and jeans .. oh damn! They rob us godlessly. after the collapse of the USSR and nothing we can oppose to this yet!

      Russia is often pitted with Byzantium, and so Byzantium was robbed for 4 years after the 50th Crusade ...
      Russia has been robbed for 27 years ....
    3. +3
      23 February 2018 11: 44
      What is the socialist economy in China? )). Do not tell, there from socialism only the sickle and hammer remained on the emblem of the Communist Party. But pseudo-communists firmly uphold Chinese interests. All the money in the house, here is their motto))
      1. +2
        23 February 2018 12: 32
        Quote: Moskovit
        What is the socialist economy in China? )). Do not tell, there from socialism only the sickle and hammer remained on the emblem of the Communist Party. But pseudo-communists firmly uphold Chinese interests. All the money in the house, here is their motto))

        It is absolutely true, and what kind of labor legislation is there for so many capitalists to envy.
    4. +1
      23 February 2018 16: 20
      "Forward to a brighter copy future" - A slogan for the party of China.
  9. 0
    23 February 2018 08: 53
    We do not take root! What is the wording of the "liberal-capitalist state", or the "liberal-liberal state" ??? And officials, even taking the oath, will look for ways to violate it without harm to their pockets!
    1. +1
      23 February 2018 09: 11
      "oligarchic-comprador" rather, then the text of the oath will be appropriate
    2. +1
      23 February 2018 10: 14
      Herculesic
      We do not take root! What is the wording of the "liberal-capitalist state", or the "liberal-liberal state" ???

      "Oligarch-oligarchic" and "liberal-liberal"! wink
  10. +6
    23 February 2018 10: 56
    So many years have passed, and how freshly everything is in my memory, ML philosophy, State on Scientific Communism, love, Komsomol and spring. smile
  11. +7
    23 February 2018 10: 57
    In China, the word coincides with deed. Stole- shot. I think many have reduced their appetites, but we also read about the successes of the Chinese military-industrial complex. And everyone in the house has one China. But the starting positions of Russia and China in 2000 were equal.
    But God didn’t give oil and gas to China, but gave reason. It turns out that you can live without oil and gas if you have your head on your shoulders
    1. +1
      23 February 2018 11: 16
      Quote: Silvestr
      But God didn’t give oil and gas to China, but gave reason. It turns out that you can live without oil and gas if you have your head on your shoulders

      They will squeeze out the disputed territories in the South China Sea and there will be gas.
      1. +2
        23 February 2018 14: 27
        They have a huge amount of resources even without disputed territories. It's just that the country is not well studied geologically. I will not be surprised that after a while the Chinese themselves will export gas, oil, and petroleum products.
    2. +2
      23 February 2018 12: 35
      Quote: Silvestr
      In China, the word coincides with deed. Stole- shot.

      This is not true ! There are special prisons for officials in China, one of them is
      Qincheng prison was built in 1958 with the help of advisers from the USSR to keep the losers of the civil war and unable to escape to Taiwan members of the Kuomintang party. The last time she reached maximum “load” during the “Cultural Revolution”: high-ranking “enemies of the people” were sent there. In prison were the widow of Chinese leader Mao Zedong Jiang Qing, the tenth Panchen Lama of Tibet, Chokyi Gyaltsen, and many others. Detainees after the riots in Tiananmen Square in 1989 were also held there.

      Little is known about the internal structure of the prison: it was rebuilt several times. It is assumed that all high-ranking prisoners are held in a separate building in solitary confinement lined with rubber. They have the right to a weekly shower, warm blankets in the winter and quite a variety of food that is not available to ordinary prisoners: in the early 2000s, the former cook of the five-star Beijing Hotel, who periodically prepared sea cucumbers and shark fin soup for them, was responsible for eating Qincheng's VIP prisoners. . The prisoners have at their disposal the main party newspaper, People's Daily and books, they can also watch TV from 19:00 to 21:00.
      1. +4
        23 February 2018 12: 55
        Quote: RUSS
        This is not true ! There are special prisons for officials in China

        the main thing is that they will not need the stolen money.
        1. 0
          23 February 2018 13: 29
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: RUSS
          This is not true ! There are special prisons for officials in China

          the main thing is that they will not need the stolen money.

          In the PRC, there is a tendency to abolish the death penalty with a simultaneous increase in maximum sentences. In April 2016, it was announced that the death penalty would be applied to corrupt officials only if the amount of stolen property (or bribe) exceeds 3 million yuan (about 460 thousand dollars)
          1. +2
            23 February 2018 17: 02
            Quote: RUSS
            In April 2016, it was announced that the death penalty would be applied to corrupt officials only if the amount of stolen property (or bribe) exceeds 3 million yuan

            so with us: 1 billion stole = 1 million fine and 2-4 years probation. catch the difference?
    3. +1
      23 February 2018 14: 25
      They have both gas and oil. And coal is mined the most in the world.
    4. +1
      23 February 2018 14: 28
      In 2000, the positions were no longer equal. The reforms initiated by Dan have been going on for about twenty years, and even then their GDP was several times larger than the Russian one.
  12. +5
    23 February 2018 11: 13
    Quote: Silvestr
    . But the starting positions of Russia and China in 2000 were equal.

    Equal? Firstly, not in 2000 (what is the date?) But in 1991. Secondly, our positions were much better than Chinese.
    1. +3
      23 February 2018 12: 57
      Quote: seal78
      Firstly, not in 2000 (what is the date?) But in 1991

      by date you are right.
      in terms of GDP

      no
  13. +4
    23 February 2018 11: 24
    Quote: Angel_and_Demon
    ours must be forced to accept, but for violation under the tribunal

    -----------------------------
    The Soviet army took such an oath of allegiance to the people, but to what sense? If the "main candidate and self-nominated candidate" constantly spits in the USSR with the words that "only galoshes were made in the USSR." It seems to be a Soviet officer.
    As for China, then they honestly have some kind of socialist nationalism, for themselves first of all. Something I don’t hear about China’s extensive humanitarian programs, as the USSR did, even later. Only business.
    1. +2
      23 February 2018 11: 32
      Quote: Altona

      As for China, then they honestly have some kind of socialist nationalism, for themselves first of all. Something I don’t hear about China’s extensive humanitarian programs, as the USSR did, even later. Only business.

      That's right. Own country is the main priority, then everything else. And we didn’t have to help anyone, just a few.
  14. +3
    23 February 2018 11: 30
    Quote: Silvestr
    But the starting positions of Russia and China in 2000 were equal.

    ---------------------------------
    They were not equal. In general, China initially received a powerful boost from the USSR, and then from the United States, and only then did it become something of itself. All of China’s successes come from anti-Sovietism, when Mao made friends with Nixon on this basis, and then Deng Xiao Ping gained access to American investment and technology, as well as markets. The USSR has never been in such conditions. The USSR itself conquered part of Eastern Europe, created CMEA there, expanded its influence in Asia and all this in a short time. And China is only now trying to achieve this, although it has much more opportunities, and there is money, and markets, and technology. But diplomatically, anyway. Despite the fact that Stalin made China a member of the UN Security Council (everywhere Joseph Vissarionovich was direct). Great power of course, but he is far from the greatness of the USSR.
    1. 0
      23 February 2018 11: 34
      I completely agree with this.
  15. +2
    23 February 2018 11: 46
    Quote: seal78
    I completely agree with this.

    -------------------------------
    And by the way, I would like to dispel the myths of "industriousness that made someone rich there." In Asia, very low rates for manual labor are hundreds of times lower than in Europe, which is why part of the production was transferred there. But manual labor is still then inferior to a powerful industry, where an educated middle class with a different income level is already needed. Therefore, when the social level of China grows, and in some cases it already begins to surpass the Russian one, then economic inhibition and the bourgeoisie of the elite may begin. And most likely, bourgeoisie is already stealthily taking place. Therefore, such oaths and oaths are required, they are afraid of the perestroika and glasnost that the USSR dismantled in 4 years.
    1. 0
      23 February 2018 14: 30
      Chinese labor is no longer considered cheap.
  16. 0
    23 February 2018 12: 15
    recently ordered a phone case there
  17. +3
    23 February 2018 15: 22
    Quote: Sergej1972
    Chinese labor is no longer considered cheap.

    ---------------------------
    This is what I’m talking about. Cheap labor remained in Cambodia and Vietnam. Because socialism is so structured that its economy has this contradiction between cheap human labor and at the same time the slogan "all for the good of man." A person, earning little, hopes for state support in terms of providing housing, education and health care. But at the same time, there is very little left for a person, only for food and clothing. The socialist state, on the other hand, throws free resources to the development of the economy, the army and geopolitics. Therefore, in the event of the collapse of the socialist state, a person is left alone with his problems and becomes an easy prey for other ideologies, propaganda and just social parasites called oligarchs. All this was apparently calculated and is now being calculated by the enemies of socialism. Collapse the state, form dots and rot in it, and slowly eat up the territory. This we observe in our example. Our elite, which was sold to the West, cannot even defend its interests, is losing its property, its citizens, its athletes at the Olympics. Therefore, it cannot even be called an elite if it can only rob its own population and cannot clearly defend its state, being not an elite, but a social parasite. Therefore, the “main candidate”, although he has already “won” the election, it must be understood that he will be handed over in the same way and there is no “win” in the eternal struggle, but only the retention of his interests.
    1. 0
      23 February 2018 16: 31
      But the fight, if not cool, will last forever until one of the opponents disappears completely. Socialism itself provides the basis for its destruction, since all people want to live better and to their fullest - it will be always and everywhere.
  18. +1
    23 February 2018 20: 11
    meanwhile, Jews and Britons are very hopeful of a military conflict between China and India; see the anger against the Chinese harbored after a bummer on the "Tiananmin Square; failed the Jewish" civil war "in China
  19. 0
    24 February 2018 13: 03
    It is unlikely that all the subtexts were recognized. In 30 years, communism will come on its own. One thing is good - we will not see it.
  20. 0
    24 February 2018 22: 33
    Quote: Logall
    Sickle and hammer on a red cloth -
    Where did you go, my homeland?
    You fought with the "bourgeois" domineering
    And she won, as far as I know.
    But somewhere “rot” sprang up, and all the labors in vain ...
    Tear stingy edging, I will remember you.
    Your sickle and hammer on the red cloth ...
    Where did you go, my homeland?

    good drinks
  21. +1
    25 February 2018 20: 49
    Well done Chinese ... Improving the system. It's a shame that we were not honored.
  22. 0
    26 February 2018 06: 06
    Step to self-infliction. After all, they say: don’t say “gop” until ...
    Truly workers should take the oath simply to the "socialist state." And then it depends on their work whether it will be great and modern. And in advance to bring greatness into the formula ... What if in some way they turn out to be not great? Or not modern? (You cannot be advanced everywhere and in everything) You will have to experience unnecessary frustration.

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