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Bandera out of "Minsk"

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The practical meaning of the Poroshenko-signed law “On the Re-integration of Donbass”, as well as on the “occupation of Donbass” and “Russia-aggressor”, is that Bandera’s Ukraine officially leaves the Minsk agreements.




This open secret was vigorously discussed in the Verkhovna Rada by radicals of all stripes, which finally needed to be done away with “Minsk”, and now it was replaced by “reintegration of the occupation”. Poroshenko himself habitually lies that the Minsk agreements are not violated, well, so-so beloved, you can say anything.

In the Donbas, this law will not change anything in the near future. Renaming the anti-terrorist operation to something else will not change the meaning of the positional war, and Poroshenko’s personal power in Ukraine will no longer be, because it is limited to opposing political forces, primarily the Popular Front with Avakov, Yatsenyuk, Turchinov and other Nazis. Adoption of any law will not move their position.

In the political sense, the law on “reintegration - occupation” Poroshenko is trying to lead his ultra nationalists, and thereby bring down a wave of Nazi aggression of various stripes against his person, in order to protect himself against a coup. It is unlikely that Poroshenko will be able to restrain them in this way until the next election: they do not believe him, they suspect a double game, again, he mentioned the Minsk agreements during the "reintegration of Donbass".

In the foreign policy sense, this law exacerbates the situation around Ukraine. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was the first to respond, calling the Kiev authorities "regime" that he "was not going to fulfill the Minsk agreements" and "not only what he admits, but suggests the possibility of a military solution to the conflict." European colleagues, Lavrov adds, “took water in their mouths”. From this it follows that Moscow will follow the development of events, will wait for the water to flow from European mouths, and where it will flow.

But there are fairly obvious things. "Norman format" ordered to live long, the more he is unlikely to meet. There can be no “peacekeeping contingent” in the Donbas, because Moscow linked its appearance with the execution of “Minsk”, and without “Minsk” there is nothing to talk about. In general, it makes no sense for Moscow to conclude new agreements with the “Kiev regime”, and with Europe, since they will not be implemented either, which is why there can be no Minsk-3.

Russia faces the question of the denial of legitimacy to Kiev, for which it suffices to withdraw the remnants of its diplomatic missions in Ukraine. But there are still trade relations in which Russia is economically interested, especially in the transit of gas to Europe, which keeps the whole situation in limbo. Therefore, Moscow will not rush, will wait for the reaction of Berlin and Paris. Relations with Washington will obviously deteriorate, since this law was adopted at the suggestion of the Americans. And the likelihood of a military outbreak in the Donbass increases.

Moscow’s application of some restrictive measures to Bandera in connection with the adoption of the law on “reintegration-occupation” is possible, but apparently after the reaction of Berlin and Paris to it and the end of the presidential elections in Russia.

Some analysts had previously stated that the Ukrainian crisis would be resolved either by the “Georgian scenario” or by the “Syrian” one, very close to the “Yugoslav” one. Now it is obvious that the situation in Ukraine is slipping into the “Syrian variant”, and the likelihood of a new coup d'etat remains.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 23 February 2018 06: 25
    +3
    From dill, there was never any sense am
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 February 2018 08: 17
      +9
      Moscow was linking!? No! Moscow stupidly continues to link on the Minsk conspiracy. And the fact that nothing has changed will not change with this approach of the Kremlin’s leaders.
      Quote: Spartanez300
      From dill, there was never any sense am
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 23 February 2018 08: 30
        +7
        “There can be no“ peacekeeping contingent ”in the Donbass, because Moscow linked its appearance to the implementation of“ Minsk ”, and without“ Minsk ”there is nothing to talk about. Moscow generally does not make sense to conclude new agreements with the“ Kiev regime ”and with Europe , because they will also not be executed, therefore, Minsk-3 cannot be either. "

        Let there be Minsk3 and Minsk 4, if necessary 5.

        "Before Russia, the question arises of refusing Kiev legitimacy, for which it is enough to recall the remnants of its diplomatic missions in Ukraine."

        You still say that the people who have relatives in Ukraine have forgotten.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 23 February 2018 09: 07
          +2
          Petro Poroshenko is the best president of Ukraine for us at the moment. Why do we need to withdraw recognition of its legitimacy? But if another coup takes place and it is overthrown, then it will be completely possible to not recognize the new government. request
          The question will just be more profitable - recognize or not. Well, and so it is natural that after another flogging of VSU there will be a new Minsk. Well, or Astana. request
          1. Gato
            Gato 24 February 2018 10: 23
            +4
            Quote: g1v2
            Russia faces the question of refusing Kiev

            And why immediately it was impossible to say that there was a coup and usurpation of power by a kurozhop pastor with the support of some of the deputies lying?
  2. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 23 February 2018 07: 43
    +19
    Russia faces the question of Kiev’s denial of legitimacy, for which it is enough to recall the remnants of its diplomatic missions in Ukraine. But there are also trade relations in which Russia is also economically interested, especially in the transit of gas to Europe, which keeps the whole situation in limbo.

    We don’t need to invent anything more, this is the main reason that Russia at one time recognized both Porosya and the Bender regime and crawled to Minsk, etc. And the people of Novorossia ..... who needs them ... in Russia and their people are garbage ...
    1. Victor Kamenev
      23 February 2018 08: 18
      +17
      I think the rubbish from Russia floats to America and Europe, and the more it floats away, the better for us, and worse for them. And he wants a big war in Europe, look at her from America. Do not sit out and fly to you.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 23 February 2018 09: 33
        +7
        garbage from Russia floats to America and Europe, and the more it floats away, the better for us
        I support at 100%. And frankly, it is clear that the "garbage" is beginning to boar on American hot dogs. Well, this is his problem if he did not try to insert a hairpin in with his next comment.
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          1. Jean Marcel
            Jean Marcel 23 February 2018 13: 03
            +16
            Yes, you have the same troll factory in every controlled country, dear Americans
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 February 2018 14: 57
              +1
              Quote: Jean Marcel
              Yes, you have the same troll factory in every controlled country, dear Americans

              What does the same mean? There is no such "factory" in Russia.
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 24 February 2018 22: 07
            +3
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Ah, yes. Only comments should be:

            And what are you so worried about for Russia that you can’t even eat and sleep and swell from worries?
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 23 February 2018 11: 59
      +8
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      All the more nothing to invent, it is the main reason that Russia at one time recognized both Porosya and the Bender regime and crawled to Minsk, etc. And the people of Novorossia ..... who needs them ..

      Why, strictly speaking, should not recognize Poros? The seizure of power and the outbreak of war on urkain carried Turchinov and "Co." Piglet, whatever one may say, but came to power through elections. Like it or not, but that makes it legitimate. In any case, in the absence of a choice between Russia and someone it is necessary to conduct a dialogue on Urkain, and only time will tell how it will develop. The zeroing of Minsk and the adoption of the law on the reintegration of Donbass has its own + and -..... There is still more to figure out. As for the people, in the framework of the referendum, the people of New Russia voted not for entering to Russia (as in Crimea), but for independence from Urkaina,and therefore, Russia does not have the breadth of action as in the Crimea and acts on the basis of existing opportunities, partially recognizing their independence. The path to full recognition lies precisely through the abolition of Minsk and Kiev’s possible attempt to regain control of these territories by force, on the same principle as it was with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which had not had an independent status for 20 years, until Georgia climbed there with her "reintegration".
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 23 February 2018 12: 47
        +7
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Piglet, whatever one may say, but came to power through elections.

        This situation is like in Vysotsky’s song “Only grief doesn’t help - there’s no law now !!! ...” In Ukraine there’s no law now - among nationalists and all kinds of fanatics it doesn’t matter who chooses whom there - it’s important that after the overthrow of Yanukovych they are all IMPOSERS !!!
        1. dauria
          dauria 23 February 2018 13: 12
          +4
          it’s important that after the overthrow of Yanukovych, they are all Impostors


          So now - Yanukovych need to return? And only then do the elections? And to recognize, not to recognize no one forces. Assad won’t be recognized throughout Europe, they’re talking. And the law ... so it is "that drawbar ...". You cannot move this law of universal gravitation, human ones - easily.
        2. Gato
          Gato 24 February 2018 10: 38
          +2
          Impostors - a term from the time of monarchy and feudalism, when some proclaimed himself a royal or royal family. Kurozhopa Turchinov was at that time an official (well, or zh.p.o.s.) - and his appointment was I.O. prezika - an unconstitutional coup and usurpation of power.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 23 February 2018 17: 48
        +5
        The path to recognition of LDNR is closed for Moscow. And we closed it for ourselves. By bluntly following the "Minsk conspiracy."
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        All the more nothing to invent, it is the main reason that Russia at one time recognized both Porosya and the Bender regime and crawled to Minsk, etc. And the people of Novorossia ..... who needs them ..

        Why, strictly speaking, should not recognize Poros? The seizure of power and the outbreak of war on urkain carried Turchinov and "Co." Piglet, whatever one may say, but came to power through elections. Like it or not, but that makes it legitimate. In any case, in the absence of a choice between Russia and someone it is necessary to conduct a dialogue on Urkain, and only time will tell how it will develop. The zeroing of Minsk and the adoption of the law on the reintegration of Donbass has its own + and -..... There is still more to figure out. As for the people, in the framework of the referendum, the people of New Russia voted not for entering to Russia (as in Crimea), but for independence from Urkaina,and therefore, Russia does not have the breadth of action as in the Crimea and acts on the basis of existing opportunities, partially recognizing their independence. The path to full recognition lies precisely through the abolition of Minsk and Kiev’s possible attempt to regain control of these territories by force, on the same principle as it was with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which had not had an independent status for 20 years, until Georgia climbed there with her "reintegration".
    3. Gato
      Gato 24 February 2018 10: 30
      +3
      And why only New Russia? In the same Kiev, Russians and those who consider themselves Russian are now quite a lot. And the handering banderlogs, not finding work, are dumped in their zapukriya or in the ATO (who is dumber)
  3. German Titov
    German Titov 23 February 2018 07: 47
    +14
    I’m afraid to write something about Minsk (a respected moderator will block my obscene language). And so, we are always there (Kalashnikov, Makarov and I). Those who are involved in the Day of the SA and the Navy of the USSR.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 23 February 2018 08: 08
    +1
    Therefore, Moscow will not rush, it will wait for the reaction of Berlin and Paris.
    ... And the Germans, about four days ago, voiced their position that they would provide financial support to the 404 country and would give money for the restoration of Donbass, but if the 404 country would implement the Minsk agreements ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 February 2018 08: 19
      +3
      Well, if they are ordered, they will give it. And without “Minsk”
      Quote: parusnik
      Therefore, Moscow will not rush, it will wait for the reaction of Berlin and Paris.
      ... And the Germans, about four days ago, voiced their position that they would provide financial support to the 404 country and would give money for the restoration of Donbass, but if the 404 country would implement the Minsk agreements ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 23 February 2018 08: 35
        +1
        If the “cowboy” orders, who will refuse him ... on the one hand, on the other ... we'll see ..
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 23 February 2018 08: 13
    +6
    And I think that a new coup is likely to happen. But how then? And they’ll put a new “president”, (from the USA) and one so that he could drive up to Russia and say: “And for what? We got rid of bad piglets with the company! Let's be friends again”
    1. Victor Kamenev
      23 February 2018 08: 21
      +3
      Try this one ...
    2. denisey
      denisey 23 February 2018 08: 22
      +4
      Most likely it will not be new. The Americans removed Sahak from the country. Yes, and piglets, apparently c / y gave, the law adopted in order to start a new aggravation. Piglet is also beneficial to roll up the radicals in the boiler.
    3. Antares
      Antares 23 February 2018 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      Well, we threw a bad piglet with the company! let's be friends again "

      I’m afraid that the country may not be able to withstand such shocks.
      While it is consolidated at least so, it can be of value to players (including from the Russian Federation). And after it, the Russian Federation will be uninteresting and no one will talk to us, there will be many of us. However, one of the many HPA’s anadlitiks is that Ukraine will fall apart and everything will be type top (and no one looks at what will happen next) and all problems will be solved.
      The Russian method of lying on the stove is kalachi, and everything will resolve itself.
      No, the country should not be destroyed in order to change the best choice of the Ukrainian people for another partner of Moscow. It is better not to play games with partners in my country.
  6. Abalon
    Abalon 23 February 2018 09: 45
    +2
    Fresh, weekly vanging from Comrade Kamenev!
  7. Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov 23 February 2018 10: 18
    +3
    Petya with the law of "reintegration" became the most important commander of all dill. Now he is Avakov, Yatsenyukha, Turchinov and other Nazis boss. Just they will not obey him, they will send him further. And if Petya still doesn’t fulfill the US team, he’ll end. Rats climbed into the bank, everything is ready for a tragic performance.
  8. Jean Marcel
    Jean Marcel 23 February 2018 13: 06
    +6
    Yes, it’s time to disperse this circus, otherwise they made a pigsty from Kiev, a dump from Lviv. Recognize as illegitimate, send troops, hold elections and all.
    1. saigon
      saigon 23 February 2018 13: 47
      +2
      The question is why the hell is this done?
      A bunch of head-poked admirers of a leaky Bandera (although in the light of Europioid tolerance, this is plus that a Bandera is full of holes).
  9. worms
    worms 23 February 2018 15: 35
    +2
    Quote: saigon
    The question is why the hell is this done?

    how is this why? the child [Sumerians] can no longer live in their snot and shabby pants, they urgently need something to at least someone clean up and give a sucking boobs ... and they [Sumerians] will panam .... lol
  10. fa811147
    fa811147 23 February 2018 17: 36
    +5
    Do not shake the wasted air, have been late since 2014. Now a lot of Russian blood will be shed, Unfortunately, not Kremlin.
    With dissent, everything is in order - you are against - trample the zone and this is in both fraternal countries.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2018 19: 52
      0
      And what for the Kremlin such problems as areas destroyed by the war - to give trillions of rubles to restore them - LDNR is already a direct analogue of the Gaza Strip, with constant shelling for many years.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 25 February 2018 06: 34
        +1
        And the Kremlin (the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) doesn’t care about any problems of the Russian people. Of course, it is better to divert money to offshore yachts, palaces and trinkets, or to the Fed’s securities.
  11. German Titov
    German Titov 23 February 2018 21: 13
    +12
    Quote: Vadim237
    And what for the Kremlin such problems as areas destroyed by the war - to give trillions of rubles to restore them - LDNR is already a direct analogue of the Gaza Strip, with constant shelling for many years.

    Maybe I’ll say to “Kramol”, “there will be no support from the Kremlin”, we’ll “chopped” anyway. For some, the word homeland (stamp in the passport). For me, the place where I was born and raised. I am proud of my homeland. Where he worked in the mine. Where are my parents buried. I am a soldier of the Soviet Army, the Great Soviet Union. I am an officer of the Soviet Army, the Great Soviet Union. I am an officer of the Armed Forces of the DPR. "Shindand-Herat-Kandahar-Lashkargah" (on and associated villages like Dilaram). I was born and raised here. You can hear dill warming up here (km 3 from the former airport). Everything went to the "big batch" anyway. "We will have a look."
  12. Gato
    Gato 24 February 2018 10: 17
    +1
    The point is to appoint the head of the so-called. united headquarters (instead of the ATO) and blame all the blame for future boilers on it. Elections on the nose! We look at the next episodes of this epic soap-fecal opera - who will be appointed to blame bully
  13. Suhow
    Suhow 24 February 2018 13: 56
    +4
    It’s time for Moscow to understand that the West and K are laid on it from a high bell tower and it’s time to do the same for a long time. Its interests are more important than others, then the partners will be more careful and the West will not calm down until the Rosky (Russian) people to the slug level.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 24 February 2018 22: 10
      +1
      Quote: Suhow
      It’s time for Moscow to understand that the West and

      Why were you silent before, Mudddddrey belay
  14. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 February 2018 20: 15
    +1
    The Syrian or non-Syrian version, a big fight with the participation of some countries very interested in it can happen very soon. Donbass was, is and will be Russian! And the very concept of Novorossia has not died and will not die, but in the case of a big fight, on the contrary, it will grow in 7-8 regions. But that's why the whole fight is, isn’t it easier to hold a referendum under the auspices of four or five in the eastern and southeastern regions guarantors, to establish the Outskirts within the borders of 1654, and that’s all, I think all of Europe will be happy (they will naturally take their original lands in the West to themselves) and who then will need Parashka with his junts?
  15. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 24 February 2018 22: 05
    +1
    The lower the standard of living in the country, the more “Khunvyibins”, “Khmer Rouge”, “Bandera” and various oppositionists. But the result is one - terrorism.
  16. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2018 13: 42
    0
    It is time to return the project Novorossiya this will be a worthy response to the West and banderlog, which they are afraid. And various concerns and protests only inspire them to new provocations.