Military Review

"Afghan", "Chechen" and "Syrian" Klochkovs

93



Word before the fight

100 years ago, in February 1918, the 8-I German army marched victoriously on Petrograd. Confusion and chaos reigned in the country, the army was demoralized, the people fled. Even the government moved from Petrograd to Moscow. On February 21, the appeal of the Council of People’s Commissars “Socialist Fatherland in Danger” was published. And a handful of brave volunteers came out to meet the German hordes.

They silently walked toward death. None of them expected to go back. But in Russia it is customary to die in the name of some lofty ideals. And among the volunteers there was one who said some magic words to the fighters. These words raised them to those orbits where earthly concerns were not felt. They allowed a handful of fighters to demonstrate to the enemy their inhuman courage and brave contempt for death. Here we will talk about these magic words.

"Who does not know how to say - career will not make"

Many military leaders in Russia were part of history not only by their brilliant feats, but also by historical phrases that glorified them for centuries. “Whoever comes to us with a sword, will perish from the sword!” Said Alexander Nevsky, “ebbing out” thereby his victory in the granite of people's memory. But Svyatoslav, Yaroslav the Wise, and his ilk did not "frame" their victories, which are no less significant for Russia. And in the story somehow lost. Rather, they are present, of course, but somehow faded, dim, unconvincing - not like Nevsky.
But Napoleon thought round the clock how to make history. “Who does not know how to say, he will not make a career,” the commander considered. And he poured metaphors like a machine gun. Whatever the battle - then two or three "ebb in granite." They say he had a literary platoon of specially trained people for this. The phrase about "forty centuries from the height of the pyramids" he was told exactly. Aptly noted he (or his Lithuanian platoon) fighting qualities of his sworn enemies — the Russians: “It’s not enough to kill a Russian soldier — he must also be brought down.” Suvorov, who did not lose a single battle, with all his genius did not leave anything like that in the verbal genre - only the phrase about “miracle heroes”. Unfortunately, all the other commanders of Russia - both ingenious and not very - also did not sparkle with eloquence, either on the battlefield or after.

Death word

Paradox: in Russia, a country with the richest literary traditions and constantly at war with someone, the attitude of the military-political elite to the power of the printed word has always been somehow superficial, frivolous. Unlike French Napoleon and English Churchill, whom the British themselves called the “wizard of words and genius of rhetoric”, the country did not give the world the gift of domestic Chrysostom (if you do not take Chernomyrdin with his reference impediment) into account.

And in the Crimean War, and in the First World, ideological training of personnel, despite its obvious heroism, was below all criticism. In part, this can explain the humiliating defeats of the Russian army in these campaigns. The Bolsheviks understood this perfectly well by putting forward their “genius of rhetoric”, Leib Trotsky, as an alternative to the current government. He, as is well known, with his virtuoso eloquence, inflamed the imagination of the soldiers and sailors so that they, without deliberating, threw themselves into battle for a bright future. And swept away on their terrible, blood-stained path of all dissenters. But, as is well known, the point in Trotsky’s lush biography was not put down by a master of verbal intrigue, but by a poorly sharpened ice ax.

The author of the "ice pick" Stalin, despite his outstanding in every sense of the matter, an outstanding orator has never been. And, unlike Churchill, he could not become one, even in a time of terrible ordeals for his Motherland. But Goebbels and Hitler were. Together, the two eminent bastards of the era, during their public speeches, drove millions of Germans to a complete frenzy. As a result, they launched a huge wheel across the planet, full of blood bones. It was an endless feast of bloody violence, born, including the oratorical power of the "sweet couple."

"The word wizard, the genius of rhetoric"

After swallowing and digesting practically all continental Europe, Hitler, as is well known, wondered for a long time who to attack first — Russia or England. England was not at all ready to face such a formidable adversary. The crushing defeat of the Anglo-French expeditionary corps under Dunkirk spoke about this better than any words. "Generals are always preparing for the last war," Churchill summed up this humiliating defeat. The situation for England was critical - the country was in the balance from death. Had Hitler decided on a naval landing - and Britain would have gone, according to Churchill himself, "to the teeth of death, to the mouth of hell." On the island would begin the performance of terrible struggle and destruction. But Churchill, who did not recognize moral impotence, began to bluff. As a matter of fact, he had no other way out. According to compatriots, "he bridled English, mobilized it and threw it into battle." And I achieved the same result. His latest programmatic speech, “We will fight even on the beaches,” produced an imagination on Hitler. The last phrases were: “We will go to the end, we will fight. Fight the seas and oceans, with growing confidence and growing power. We will fight on the beaches, coasts, in the fields and on the streets, and never give up. We will protect our Island, no matter what it costs us ... ".

At that time, unfortunately, Russia did not have a similar “wizard of the word and genius of rhetoric”. There was no one to bluff, even in words.

Churchill's bluff was a success. Hitler flinch. And he turned his troops to the East ...

"Stalingrad Klochkovy"

In the summer of 1941, the story made a fantastic turn. The population of Russia was no longer 170, but 110 million people. The population of Germany with loyal satellites was about two hundred million. No longer Russia, but Germany has become the most populated country in Europe, owning all the attributes of power. All Western and Central Europe worked for her. Russia rolled back to the northeast of Eurasia. From the north, the Germans also blocked the sea route from Arkhangelsk and Murmansk. It was necessary to cut off the southern thread linking Russia with the outside world. This thread was Stalingrad.

Not a single phrase of the Soviet wizards of the time from the Kremlin propaganda machine remained in the people's memory.

An exception was the previously unknown political politician Klochkov, who said before the battle to his fighters: “Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat. Behind - Moscow. They did not retreat.

The German ideological machine “pumped” its soldiers around the clock before the general battle on the Volga. Why are the headlines of German newspapers being distributed in the army: “Even the Roman soldiers did not reach here from the West!”, “If Germany masters this edge, no one in the world will stop it”, “After the victory in Stalingrad, nothing is impossible for Germany”, “ The German people are the new suppressor of the Scythians ”,“ We ​​are the descendants of Alexander the Great ”,“ We ​​will push the eastern borders of the European Oikumena! ”And so on.
But even here, before the general battle on the Volga, where the fate of humanity was decided, the Kremlin ideologues did not sparkle with eloquence. There was neither Churchill nor Napoleon among them. All that was enough for their creativity is the ordinary slogan “Not one step back!”, Stated in the infamous 227 order. The evacuated vacuum was able to be filled by the unknown Stalingrad Klochkovs. Memo of one of them somehow caught my eye. This is a real masterpiece of creative military thought, not surpassed, I believe, until now:
“Fight as long as you can. If the pressure is deadly, get out. Give the enemy a part of our vast territory. But with the first rays of the sun, start a new battle. Act like that forever. Bringing the enemy to exhaustion. Let him understand that he temporarily owns your land. As long as you live yourself, the enemy will not own it for a long time. His exhaustion. Let his hundredth victory in the fight for a dozen meters of territory end in his favor. But for the hundred and first time you will get it, even if there is a thought, skill, calculation, high skill on his side. You are stronger than him by not doubting and changing debt and oath. After all, they perished both before us and on our great unprotected plain, on our open spaces from Brest to Vladivostok there was everything. But our perseverance, our faith, our sons love did not run out. We are born in this faith and love for a country where life is hard, but where our home, our graves, our sky. And we, too, will die, without defiling the memory of our ancestors, without deceiving the expectations of the whole country, suddenly calmed down at the word Stalingrad. ”

These were the words in that memo, on that ragged, smoked leaf. But it was they, and not the 227 order, who led the defenders of Stalingrad to their immortal sacrificial feat. Inflamed by this appeal, they demonstrated superhuman resilience to the whole world. They stood to death so that the name of Russia would not fade. And their courage was marked by the same Churchill with its high syllable. On the sword, which he handed to Stalin, his phrase was engraved: "Citizens of Stalingrad, strong as steel, as a sign of the deep admiration of the British people."

"Chechen Klochkov"

During the military campaign in Afghanistan, the information-ideological war was completely lost by the country's military-political establishment. Kremlin elders could not come up with hundreds of thousands of soldiers fighting and dying in a distant and foreign country any intelligible justification for their mission. Their more than controversial slogan “international duty” did not cause the personnel of the 40 army anything but uncensored comments. Unfortunately, there were no Klochkovs, who could inflame the soldiers on the “last and decisive”. Therefore, the attitude to the political commanders and advisers in the troops was extremely ambiguous. But for this there were objective reasons - this war was too alien for us.

And then, due to the deep crisis of the official ideology and the lack of the right words, the Soviet Union collapsed like a drunk in a puddle. To save and rescue the army, no one could find the words either - it began to fall apart before our eyes.

And then there was a war in Chechnya, which, unlike the Afghan war, was not a stranger. But since the time of Afghanistan, the official ideological machine has not come out of a coma. But here they found their Klochkovs. With one of them - a lieutenant of the Northern Marines fleet - fate brought me together in January 1995 in Grozny.

He showed me a memo that he had invented for his sailors. She was each in a breast pocket. The Marines studied it before the battle: “When you see the enemy, do not be afraid: it is not a fact that he sees you. If he sees - not the fact that he has weapon. If there is - not the fact that it is charged. If charged - not the fact that it does not stand on the fuse. If all the same in alertness - not the fact that he will have time to shoot you. If you shoot - not the fact that it will fall. If you fall - not the fact that he will kill, can only hurt. So go to the enemy and do not be afraid. "

The only pity is that I did not remember the name of this “Chechen Klochkov”. The acquaintance was short, like a shot - his battalion went to storm the Council of Ministers building. Not all returned from there. But all (including the militants themselves) admit that the marines fought as their fathers did when defending Stalingrad. I think that the memorandum of that “Chechen Klochkov” in the black sea jacket played a significant role in this.
"Cicero" war

Now Russia is fighting again. Our guys are fighting in Syria, in the Donbas, I do not exclude that somewhere else. The official ideological machine of the Kremlin is no longer in a coma - it breaks through one bottom after another. Unfortunately, neither Cicero, nor Napoleon, nor Churchill is visible in the modern Russian army. One hope for the local "Klochkovykh" - Syrian, Donbass, some more, with which it is easy for a Russian soldier to go into the fire, into the water, to hell with horns, into the teeth of death, in the mouth of hell. And they must be found. They can not be found. That was standing, standing and standing will be our Russian army.
Author:
93 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 February 2018 07: 32
    +14
    February 21 The appeal of the Council of People's Commissars “The Socialist Fatherland in Danger” was published

    And on February 23, the ultimatum of Germany was adopted.
    And among the volunteers there was someone who told the soldiers some magic words

    The most famous is the People's Commissar Dybenko, who happened to be ... in Kursk and Samara.
    in World War I, the ideological training of personnel, despite its obvious heroism, was below all criticism. This can be partially explained by humiliating defeats of the Russian army in these campaigns

    The author is confused: Russian Army It did not suffer any defeat in the Second World War: in February 1918, FOUR months already ruled a completely different government, which suffered a defeat.
    “Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword!” - said Alexander Nevsky
    This phrase from the movie,
    The author of the "ice ax message" Stalin, despite his outstanding work in all senses, has never been an outstanding speaker
    Sometimes, very much:
    "Brothers and sisters! I appeal to you, my friends"
    These soulful words were remembered for a lifetime
    Churchill's bluff was a success. Hitler flinch. And he turned his troops to the East ...

    In addition to bluffing, Chkrchill had the world's first Navy and won the battle for Britain
    But our perseverance, our faith, our sons' love did not dry out. We were born in this faith and love for a country where life is hard, but where is our home, our graves, our sky. And we, too, will die without desecrating the memory of our ancestors, without deceiving the expectations of the whole country, which suddenly calmed down at the word Stalingrad. ”
    These words were in that memo, on that torn, sooty leaf. But it was they, and not the 227 order, who pushed the defenders of Stalingrad to their immortal sacrificial feat.

    Beautiful, golden words.!

    All citizens in the "Day of Defender of the Fatherland!" good drinks
    1. dSK
      dSK 23 February 2018 09: 46
      +8
      Quote: Olgovich
      Beautiful, golden words!


      Congratulations to all the participants in the "Day of Defender of the Fatherland!" soldier
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Moisey19631
          23 February 2018 16: 35
          +1
          Kosanul, yes. Hoping for memory.
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 23 February 2018 17: 50
      +15
      Quote: Olgovich
      And on February 23, the ultimatum of Germany was adopted.
      ...
      The most famous is the People's Commissar Dybenko, who happened to be ... in Kursk and Samara.


      Our dreamer is always lying. Having read the Internet libel on the Red Army and Soviet power, Olgovich repeats anti-Soviet tales. Basically, they relate to two points. The first is that on this day the Council of People's Commissars received an ultimatum from the German command, accepted it and fled to Moscow, and at the second moment it concerns the fact that on this day a detachment of sailors under the command of Pavel Dybenko “shamefully” fled caught already in Samara ..
      Firstly. The Soviet government moved from Petrograd to Moscow in the first decade of March, and not in February.
      Secondly. The ultimatum was indeed presented on February 23, 1918, but this did not affect the situation on the fronts - they did not even immediately know about it. Therefore, the story of the allegedly “shameful” flight of Dybenko does not correspond to reality. In fact, the detachment of sailors under his command did not run, and in unequal battles with the German troops suffered heavy losses and simply could not move on. This happened due to the fact that the former General Parsky, who commanded the curtain, posed a clearly impossible task for the Dybenko detachment.
      Now the entire Internet is flooded with misinformation that allegedly no battles were recorded in the Soviet or German military archives on February 23.
      In fact, there were battles, because the German offensive began on a huge front from the Gulf of Riga to the mouth of the Danube River, 47 enemy infantry and 5,5 cavalry divisions of the enemy with a total number of about 700 went on the offensive. about 000 enemy divisions. For example, four German divisions attacked a 10-kilometer section of the 40nd Red Army Regiment. Against thousands of fighters - four divisions.
      These military operations, along with maps, are very well described in the book “Born in Battles” by Alexander Cherepanov. This is a man who himself participated in all these battles: he was the commander of the 2nd Red Army Regiment, which included volunteer soldiers of the 12th Army of the Northern Front.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. lwimu1976
        lwimu1976 24 February 2018 07: 31
        +2
        At the end of February 1918, luck seemed to turn its back on Dybenko. Soviet historians and party propagandists called this event “the first victories of the Red Army”, “the combat birth of the Red Army”.

        They knew how to make a victory out of defeat. February 23 was the feast of the Red Army and 73 years were celebrated. But in fact, all these years have marked a shameful defeat and flight from the positions of the Soviet units ...
        On March 3, Dybenko and his sailors refused a joint counter-offensive against Narva with the soldiers' units. They left their positions and "ran" to the rear Gatchina, which was 120 kilometers from the front line. To crown the shame, the "brothers" seized several alcohol tanks on the railway tracks and celebrated their "victory." Already on March 6, a detachment of sailors was disarmed and recalled.
        There is a commemorative plaque on this visit on the bastion wall of the palace.
        Just where Dybenko is in the photo.
        Photo: Pavel Dybenko - Chairman of the Central Balta, fleet commander during the October Revolution.
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 February 2018 07: 42
          +7
          Quote: lwimu1976
          They knew how to make a victory out of defeat.

          Defeat ... One might think so, but for the first time there was an organized rebuff to the German offensive
          Quote: lwimu1976
          But in fact, all these years have marked a shameful defeat and flight from the positions of the Soviet units ...

          How should you NOT LOVE YOUR FATHERLAND, so as NOT TO KNOW HIS HISTORY
          ... But already on February 23, 15 versts from Pskov, an advanced detachment of Germans met the first rebuff and even backed up under fire. The city was defended by hastily assembled troops under the command of the former colonel of the General Staff G. Peklivanov - The 2nd Red Army Cherepanov Regiment, formed from soldiers of the Northern Front, detachments of Latvian riflemen, Pskov Red Guards, St. Petersburg workers and soldiers, as well as the remnants of the units of the 70th Infantry, 15th Cavalry Divisions, two shock battalions of the old army. The participation of officers of the 15th Ukrainian Hussar, 15th Tatar Uhlan, Koporsky Infantry Regiments, some other people, and the Soviet government, of course, did not sympathize in any way, but fought for the honor of Russia, was noted in the battles near Pskov and Narva.

          During heavy stubborn battles on February 24, the Germans, pulling up their rear, artillery and reserves, creating superiority in forces, broke through to the outskirts of Pskov, on the night of the 25th they went to the center, on the 28th they captured the whole city, which three times passed from hand to hand. The Germans were stopped at the Toroshino station with the help of the 1st Corps battalion, the Tukums Latvian Regiment, the 2nd reserve machine gun regiment of the regular Red Army, and the Red Guards of the Petrograd factories who had arrived from St. Petersburg.

          Moreover, the actions of Peklivanov personally in those dire conditions of chaos, panic and the collapse of the front by the command were evaluated positively.

          Near Narva, which fell on March 3, the day the Brest Peace was concluded, the troops of this sector were led by the former commander of the 12th Army, Lieutenant General D. Parsky. The commander of Narva was appointed commander-in-chief of the sailor Dybenko, the leader of the Central Balt and the hero of October, who, however, criminally abandoned the city, with the echelon of his sailors left for Gatchina and forcibly took Parsky with him. On March 7, Dybenko arrived in Yamburg, where Parsky, who managed to escape from him, successfully established a defense. But not for long, - then Dybenko went on a drive across Russia further, having reached Saratov, apparently not daring to appear to the eyes of his subordinates and bosses. Upon his return, he was put on trial, expelled from the party and sentenced to be shot, however, at the request of Kollontai, he was pardoned and further feats of civilian earned forgiveness and restoration in the ranks.

          Have there been battles near Narva? Yes they were. At the Johvi and Kohtla stationsthe armored train of the Putilov Red Guards was multiplying, forcing the Germans to retreat. Only under the onslaught of superior infantry and artillery forces did Narva leave the units of the 3rd Red Army Regiment of the Northern Front, the Latvian detachments of the Klyavs-Klyavin and Azin detachments, the Bela Kuna international Hungarians, the Estonian Reel detachment Põlda, and the workers' detachments from Petrograd.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 24 February 2018 09: 28
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            ... But already on February 23, at 15 miles from Pskov, the advance detachment of the Germans met the first rebuff and even backed up under fire. G

            There were fights before the 23rd and to the west, still under RIGA
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 February 2018 09: 31
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              There were fights before the 23rd and to the west, still under RIGA

              You do not confuse? Can an example
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 February 2018 07: 39
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                You do not confuse? Can an example

                The Pravda newspaper wrote about this in those days.
            2. The comment was deleted.
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 25 February 2018 19: 46
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            then Dybenko went on a drive across Russia further, having reached Saratov, apparently not daring to show his eyes to his subordinates and bosses. Upon his return, he was put on trial, expelled from the party and sentenced to be shot, however, at the request of Kollontai, he was pardoned and further feats of civilian earned forgiveness and restoration in the ranks.

            Firstly, Dybenko did not run anywhere and did not leave without permission. When he was recalled from near Narva, he was under the government, organized the protection of his move to Moscow, then the Party Central Committee granted him and his wife Kollontai a week's vacation to go to Novozybkov's hometown.
            Secondly. About the court. The decision of the Revolutionary Tribunal was published in the newspapers Izvestia VTsIK of May 17, 1918 and Pravda of May 18, 1918. The Tribunal did not find corpus delicti in Dybenko’s actions and passed a verdict of not guilty.
            Military experts and witnesses proved that impossible tasks were set before Dybenko, such as a breakthrough to Revel and Narva which could not be solved with so many forces, moreover, neither intelligence nor communications were organized, the actions of the detachments were not coordinated.
            By the way, Parsky himself later cited the same reasons for leaving Narva:“As it turned out later, the abandonment of Narva occurred mainly because there was no general leadership and communication in the actions, because weakly or even completely unprepared units were unskillfully led into the battle, and they suffered excessive losses (the sailors suffered more than others); finally, the mood of the troops was apparently influenced by the well-known influence and the then created position, as it were, between war and peace, which worried people and helped to reduce their resilience "
            And here is how Parsky sailors estimated: “Sailor units were often distinguished by their decisiveness and impulse in battles, but, along with this, they were often prone to licentiousness and violence, they were considered as if in a privileged position among others and, moreover, they were poorly prepared for ground actions”
            1. svp67
              svp67 26 February 2018 14: 56
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Green
              First, the

              First of all, answer Whose quote you attribute to me and with WHOM are you desperately fighting?
              Before you "blaze fair anger", figure out against whom you are trying to direct him, otherwise I begin to doubt your adequacy
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 27 February 2018 01: 41
                0
                Quote: svp67
                First of all, answer Whose quote you attribute to me and with WHOM are you desperately fighting?
                Before you "blaze fair anger", figure out against whom you are trying to direct him, otherwise I begin to doubt your adequacy

                Sorry, dear, but you are reacting inadequately. Where did you see my directed anger?
                You cited someone's extensive slanderous quote about Dybenko without any comment. I just copied the most odious paragraph and, as I gained knowledge, I tried to refute the slander.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 27 February 2018 03: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  You cited someone's extensive slanderous quote about Dybenko without any comment.

                  Well, this "slander" has its roots.
                  From the memoirs of the commander of that Parsky group:
                  “When I went to Dybenko with the goal of influencing the sailors through him, I was unexpectedly taken away (and, apparently, for Dybenko himself) with an echelon from Yamburg along with two of my assistants. We didn’t want to leave the troops, but we jumped out, but the train went at full speed; rushed to the brake, but it turned out to be broken. Upon arrival to the polust. Ticket, we called a steam locomotive from Yamburg, which soon arrived. Dybenko, however, apparently could not restrain his sailors and went with them to Gatchina "
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 27 February 2018 20: 51
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    Well, this "slander" has its roots.
                    From the memoirs of the commander of that Parsky group:
                    “When I went to Dybenko with the goal of influencing the sailors through him, I was unexpectedly taken away (and, apparently, for Dybenko himself) with an echelon from Yamburg along with two of my assistants. We didn’t want to leave the troops, but we jumped out, but the train went at full speed; rushed to the brake, but it turned out to be broken. Upon arrival to the polust. Ticket, we called a steam locomotive from Yamburg, which soon arrived. Dybenko, however, apparently could not restrain his sailors and went with them to Gatchina "


                    Yes, slander has roots, but why repeat slander? You see how the slanderous text differs from the memoirs of Parsky. How they were specially distorted. Parsky does not write that he was captured and taken away by force, and does not blame Dybenko for anything. And about the death sentence in general fiction. The tribunal acquitted Dybenko.
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 24 February 2018 21: 51
          +4
          Quote: lwimu1976
          They knew how to make a victory out of defeat. February 23 was the feast of the Red Army and 73 years were celebrated. But in fact, all these years have marked a shameful defeat and flight from the positions of the Soviet units ...


          Another dreamer. Before the detachment of Dybenko an impossible task was set, of which he certainly could not cope and was forced to retreat to Gatchina, because he had lost a large half of the detachment. By the way, the commander of the curtain, General Parsky, retreated with him. Dybenko did not run anywhere, but was removed from command, and his case was examined by a special commission. Dybenko was expelled from the RCP (b), and on March 16, at the IVth Congress of Soviets, he was removed from all posts. Arrested soon. On March 25, 1918, he was released on bail on the condition that he was in Moscow before the trial, but the rollicking anarchist sailor dare played a role here, he sent the court “to hell” and left by boat to Samara, but then surrendered to the Soviet authorities and was given in May 1918 in court, but was acquitted, because he was not guilty.
          And when describing the “mass exodus” from Pskov, the authors forget to say that the former soldiers of the former Russian imperial army, who had accumulated here, were fleeing, that is, a demoralized crowd with no military commanders was fleeing.
          But the few volunteers - the first Red Army soldiers - the Red Guards and the Latvian riflemen entered the battle with the German units. Yes, they retreated, because the forces were unequal - but they stubbornly resisted, therefore, in the summary of the German rate it says: “South of Pskov, our troops came across strong resistance. In a fierce battle they defeated the enemy, the city was taken ”. But the fact remains that the Germans did not go further.
          The Brest peace has not yet been signed, so this stop in Pskov is directly connected only with the fact that the not yet existing Red Army, although it did not defeat the German army, was stopped. And that is a fact.
          1. lwimu1976
            lwimu1976 24 February 2018 22: 42
            +3
            In the comments we cite various authors. And we believe that those cited are right or not. I quoted: Aizen Taicho. The rise and fall of the legendary commander Dybenko.
            I will add more. So who was the commander of Dybenko?

            Navy Officer.
            A provocateur of the tsarist secret police since 1915.
            One of the creators of the victory of the revolution, the main rebellious sailor.
            German spy since 1918.
            An alcoholic.
            Marauder, twice involved in robberies, but things were released on the brakes.
            He carried out mass and unjustified executions.
            Deserter who left his position near Narva.
            In Samara, in fact, betrayed Soviet power, speaking on the side of the Social Revolutionaries.
            He betrayed the Social Revolutionaries for the sake of "forgiveness" on the part of the Soviet government.
            His mediocrity or treason accompanied the capture of white Ukraine
            Friend and enemy of Old Man Makhno.
            The executioner, who drowned in the blood of the sailors who surrendered, repressed their families.
            The executioner suppressing peasant riots in Tambov.
            Member of the "right" block, i.e. Bukharin
            Member of the military tribunal convicted Tukhachevsky.
            Exposed German spy.

            That's who the legendary People's Commissar Dybenko was. Most of all, he was the brainchild of the revolution, shrouded in a halo, but which ate him, like all his children.
            And I remember the speech of Khrushchev (First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee from 1953 to 1964, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR from 1958 to 1964.) Which refuted the battles near Pskov, Narva.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 25 February 2018 19: 59
              +2
              Quote: lwimu1976
              And I remember the speech of Khrushchev (First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee from 1953 to 1964, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR from 1958 to 1964.) Which refuted the battles near Pskov, Narva.

              I also remember this, but Nikita has no faith, he invented a lot of things.
              And there were battles near Narva, witnesses write about this, including General Parsky himself.
              General Parsky did not immediately like the detachment of sailors; on this basis, he and Dybenko had a conflict. The general gave the order: To break through to Revel and defend Narva, this is a detachment of less than one and a half thousand. Dybenko accepted the order and asked for help with artillery, but Parsky did not even answer this.
              The army units at that time were decomposed, the advance of the Germans was restrained only by sailors. The detachment fought for the first time near the Ievwe station. The battle lasted all day and night (March 2, according to the old style).
              Here the Germans had fresh troops. The sailors entered the battle right from the echelon. They had two armored cars, but the Germans defeated both the engine and the armored cars with artillery
              The sailors took up defense, but without the support of artillery success was difficult to achieve. Dybenko again turned to Parsky, asked for light artillery. Again without an answer. Early in the morning of March 3, the Germans launched an offensive in two columns along the railway, the sailors launched a counterattack, they even pressed the Germans several kilometers, but without reinforcements and having lost a lot of personnel, they had to retreat.
              Parsky at that time decided to start a new offensive, but the sailors, exhausted and with great losses, could not advance, and Dybenko rebuking the general for deliberately refusing to help the sailors and not covering his flank, refused to participate in the attack. Parsky, of course, was indignant and sent a telegram to Petrograd, after which Dybenko was recalled ...

              PS V.I. Lenin at the Seventh Party Congress in his speech emphasized that sailors and Putilovites saved Petrograd.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 February 2018 09: 25
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Our dreamer is always lying ..


        Then we read you:
        Quote: Alexander Green
        The ultimatum was indeed presented on February 23, 1918

        You CONFIRMED me. Or are you, too .... a liar ?! lol
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Therefore, the story of the allegedly “shameful” flight of Dybenko does not correspond to reality.

        So he was expelled from the rkpbe for heroism, stripped of his posts and put on trial? You say, you say, as always it’s very funny for you yes
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Firstly. The Soviet government moved from Petrograd to Moscow in the first decade of March, and not in February.

        Comrade a whistleblower, I have NO WORDS about it! Do you have hallucinations?
        Quote: Alexander Green
        In fact, there were battles because the German offensive began on a huge front from the Gulf of Riga to the mouth of the Danube River, 47 enemy infantry and 5,5 cavalry divisions of the enemy with a total number of about 700 went on the offensive,

        And again, WHAT did you refute from me? request
        Strange ... Re-celebrated? hi lol
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 24 February 2018 21: 59
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          Strange ... Re-celebrated?

          Judging by your faces in the text, it’s you who drank too much ... But why suddenly? Probably with fear?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 February 2018 06: 41
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Judging by your faces in the text, it’s you who drank too much ... But why suddenly? Probably with fear?

            You are caught in delirium. And you have nothing to object to. lol
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 25 February 2018 20: 05
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              You are caught in delirium. And you have nothing to object to

              Delirium from you and your "classmate". Look, do not overdo it in slander, otherwise the barnacles will begin on this soil again, we remember how you saw the "dead with braids".
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 February 2018 07: 37
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Delirium from you and your "classmate". Look, do not overdo it in slander, otherwise the barnacles will begin on this soil again, we remember how you saw the "dead with braids".

                YOUR nonsense has been exposed step by step, but you are now chatting about some common meaningless phrases.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 27 February 2018 01: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  YOUR nonsense has been exposed step by step, but you are now chatting about some common meaningless phrases.

                  "Dear" whistleblower, you need to be treated, otherwise you already ceased to appropriately perceive the text in Russian, you see nonsense everywhere. This clinic is already in the second stage, the first one is when you “saw the dead with braids”.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 23 February 2018 07: 58
    +18
    Two Russian tankers are sitting in a Parisian cafe, drinking coffee with a croissant in a bite, and a convoy of Russian tanks is parked nearby. Army carts are passing by. And one tankman says to the other: - I regret one thing - we lost the informational and ideological war. All with a holiday, Our army and the Navy!
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 23
      +2
      While the coffee is drunk by the Ukrainian and Kazakhstani military. In the original Russian territories.
  3. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 23 February 2018 08: 28
    +2
    Talk less, work more...
  4. baudolino
    baudolino 23 February 2018 09: 03
    +6
    And what prevents the author from simply taking and helping the “official ideological machine of the Kremlin” since everything is so bad?
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 35
      +2
      A hundred times betrayed. But amateurs do not need pros.
      1. dSK
        dSK 24 February 2018 15: 55
        0
        There are believers, they do not respect “wizards”, because “magic” is prohibited in all major religions. hi
  5. Curious
    Curious 23 February 2018 10: 04
    +23
    All with the Day of the Soviet Army!
    The author is clearly also not Cicero, and history should be learned. And then Alexander Nevsky is credited with the statements of the Soviet writer Pavlenko, and the great Suvorov, who left dozens of winged phrases to deprive him of the glory of his “shock” word, smacks of ignorance.
    We will not speak about the strength of the Soviet poster of the Great Patriotic War.
    In a word, pick up the keyboard from the author and go to school, study.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 23 February 2018 10: 28
      +14
      and the great Suvorov, who left behind dozens of winged phrases to rob his "shock" of the word

      and even more historical jokes, after which it was possible not to write anything - the great commander said so. Victor Nikolaevich, I will join: Happy Soviet Army! Happiness, health to you and your families, peaceful sky!
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 23 February 2018 11: 04
        +8

        Happy Holidays!
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 23 February 2018 11: 51
          +22
          from the movie "Officers", probably, everyone remembered this scene the most

          they were injured. They were from different branches of the army. They knew they would die. But they also knew that at the cost of their death, they would save the rest. And went to battle. Perhaps my great-grandfather Mikhail, the Chuvash who was the head of the restaurant in Tsivilsk before the call, thought the same thing when he died in 42nd near Voronezh, repelling the attack of German tanks .... And they won! A blessed memory to all the dead, happiness to all living! soldier
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 23 February 2018 13: 59
            +5
            Nicholas! hi hi hi So many hats and heads ....
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 23 February 2018 21: 32
              +6
              Alexey, on my own behalf - Happy Holiday! drinks happiness and success in everything! drinks
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 23 February 2018 21: 34
            +5
            Eternal glory and eternal memory to Russian. Chuvashs. Belarusians. Ukrainians. Yakuts. Loads
            to us.tatars.Hebrews. soldiers. officers, generals, infantrymen. pilots. sailors. tankmen-
            ALL !!!!! who gave the ONLY life for the Motherland.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 24 February 2018 00: 42
              +5
              they were of all nationalities and all faiths, but they were OUR. They won, won the "perfect war machine of all time." They had souland not a cold mind deciding how many millions more to die for the mythical “Reich achievements”. Worship them all! soldier
    2. Pattern
      Pattern 23 February 2018 11: 25
      +3
      I agree!!!
    3. Victor Red
      Victor Red 23 February 2018 12: 13
      +14
      Quote: Curious
      All with the Day of the Soviet Army!
      The author is clearly also not Cicero, and history should be learned. And then Alexander Nevsky is credited with the statements of the Soviet writer Pavlenko, and the great Suvorov, who left dozens of winged phrases to deprive him of the glory of his “shock” word, smacks of ignorance.
      We will not speak about the strength of the Soviet poster of the Great Patriotic War.
      In a word, pick up the keyboard from the author and go to school, study.

      And the author forgot to mention poets. One Simon's “Kill him” is worth it.
  6. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 23 February 2018 10: 30
    +15
    Congratulations to all forum visitors on a wonderful Soviet holiday - Happy Red Army and Red Navy!
    I have nothing against another name for the holiday "Day of the Soviet Army and Navy", but on the 100th anniversary I especially want to celebrate precisely the event that is tied to February 23, 1918, which for our history was no less important and significant than success Great October Socialist Revolution and creation Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    PS And the article .... tar mixed with honey.
    1. Pattern
      Pattern 23 February 2018 11: 30
      +5
      Freedom of speech. Eat her in the rocker.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 23 February 2018 21: 18
      +2
      Remember forever, not the state is secondary from the army. And the army is secondary from the state.
  7. Pattern
    Pattern 23 February 2018 11: 29
    +15
    Continuous anti-Soviet pun. Especially about the 227 order and Churchill’s words, which frightened Hitler: “It's a shame for the state ...”
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 23 February 2018 21: 20
      0
      Well, if you paid attention only to this, I am sorry for you.
  8. Dimmih
    Dimmih 23 February 2018 12: 24
    +11
    This opus to the "History" section has the same relation as a lunar eclipse to the mechanical properties of cast iron. There are patriotic works, but there is stupid propaganda, and so this one is in its purest form. Speaking of Suvorov, he left behind the phrase “miracle heroes” also “Science to win”, here’s a link specifically for the author Photos: Igor Moiseev. Indiscreetly .... This photo has less relation to Igor Moiseyev than his article to the "History" section. Shameful article! Happy holiday to all!
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 23 February 2018 14: 06
      +3
      As it turned out, the United Nations coalition forces were not prepared for the powerful effects of agitation and communist ideology. The soldiers were forbidden to listen to the enemy’s radio broadcasts, to read any propaganda materials. The weak morale of the American troops sounded the alarm in the press.
      So, in 1952, the New York Times reported that in the first year and a half of the war in Korea, 47 people deserted from the US armed forces. In the next year and a half, the number of deserters continued to be at the level of 18−20 thousand for every six months.

      Here is YOU and FORCE WORD ... And its impact on the "democratic" YANKS ...
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 23 February 2018 14: 38
        +11
        I mean that the article is shameful: the author does not know the materiel (Suvorov) and the photo is not his to put it mildly. And you about the Yankees and the impact on them. Do not confuse patriotism with idiocy. We have abundant paper sons of the Fatherland — look at comments for any news with the words Israel and Ukraine.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 23 February 2018 15: 00
          +1
          After your answer, I will try to re-read the article more thoughtfully - and give an answer!
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 23 February 2018 21: 24
          0
          you’re probably a Jew. that you can’t do without mentioning your promised land. Events in Ukraine are the same tragedy for Russia as for Ukraine. But if Israel disappeared from the face of the Earth, Russia would not have noticed.
          1. Dimmih
            Dimmih 24 February 2018 06: 17
            +6
            No, not a Jew, I just don’t like ignoramuses. I respect Jews, as well as other nations. About myself, I can say, exemplary Russian: mother is German, relatives of the Tatars, wife of a Belarusian.
      2. Moisey19631
        23 February 2018 16: 20
        0
        The British in the Second World War were stronger. They had Churchill.
    2. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 21
      0
      Photos (except for political instructor) were made by me at the VIPK MVD. .
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 23 February 2018 19: 13
        +12
        The conversation here is, in fact, that your article is, firstly, of extremely low quality because it abounds with errors, and secondly, the History section does not apply at all. It remains to insult the soul over the fate of VO: then Samsonov will bring down the stream of his consciousness to fragile minds, now you are now added.
      2. Mikado
        Mikado 23 February 2018 23: 29
        +3
        made by me at VIPK MVD

        but I never reached him ... request in 2008, they wanted to send for further training. But I lost my temper, and quit the next year .. But in 2006, I was at a conference of heads of personnel apparatuses! Held on the basis of the University of Trade Unions in Moscow, oh, what girls were cordoned off!good love Nurgaliev spoke, the main head of this conference was Kikot. hisoldier
  9. Squelcher
    Squelcher 23 February 2018 12: 34
    +9
    I do not agree, the ideological work was constantly carried out with you, among other things, remember the songs and poems of those hard years, we descendants just got so stupid that we do not remember these phrases.
    And most importantly:

    "The hero is the one who cleverly and bravely died, approaching the hour of victory. But twice the hero is the one who managed to defeat the enemy and survived. (V. I. Chuykov)"
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 12
      0
      I meant the WORD genre. Did it go on a lot in Chechnya? and in Syria?
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 24 February 2018 16: 14
        +4
        The army was created for warfare, and when bullets overhead do not whistle
        WORD genre
        . The expression "Speak concisely," you know?
        Did it go on a lot in Chechnya? and in Syria?
        It was carried out, but in such expressions for which punishment will immediately follow in VO. Therefore, they did not favor the political officers in the army, with rare exceptions, when the commissar helped the commander in taking care of his subordinates. If you could express yourself without censorship, you would hear enough idiomatic expressions about the article. "Mowgli has enough spikes under the tongue for red dogs."
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 25 February 2018 09: 25
        +7
        Did it go on a lot in Chechnya? and in Syria?

        It was like a documentary about those events. They showed footage of the capture of Grozny, reached the Terrible summer of 1996. At the same time, they showed footage of life in Moscow, night clubs, youth, alcohol, drugs, and the like. What other “winged words” do you want when the “workers and peasants” army clenched their throats through their teeth and the “best and elite” part of society simply fatted, lived and continues to live purely animal instincts? This is not the soldiers need to push speech, and the "elite" by the ear and in the "solar Magadan."
  10. nnz226
    nnz226 23 February 2018 12: 48
    +10
    Russian generals may not have left aphorisms, but their orders, appeals or reports can be taken as a model. Svyatoslav: “They don’t have a shame!”, Suvorov in the ultimatum to the commandant of Ishmael: “... I arrived here with the troops. 24 hours to think for delivery - and - the will! My first shots are already captivity! The assault is death!”. General Kutaisov in front of Borodino: ".... Announce to everyone that they do not withdraw from positions until the enemy mounts the cannons! Artillery must sacrifice itself!" (who remembers Tolstoy's War and Peace, there’s an episode where Prince Bolkonsky rescues Captain Trushin (?) from Bagration’s wrath for the loss of guns. Then it was forbidden to leave the guns in the Russian army). At the same time, in the Caucasus, meteor-general Kotlyarevsky gave an order before the assault on Lenkoran: “There will be no retreat!”, Admiral Kornilov before the start of the 1 defense of Sevastopol: “I forbid drummers to beat“ End ”! (in other words, retreat). General Petrov in the 1943 year: "There is not a single living German left in Taman except prisoners!" (report to the Headquarters), Marshal Zhukov: "With three hundred guns per kilometer of the front, they do not report or ask about the enemy!" Well, the result was Russians in Paris, Berlin, and even in a heap of gay European (non) capitals.
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 19
      +1
      No one belittles the genius of Russian commanders. But the story, as it turned out, includes not only deeds, dreams and words. In Russia, the army traditionally treated the word badly.
  11. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 23 February 2018 13: 01
    +7
    Consult the classics, fellow writers.
    "A hard but necessary lesson" Vladimir Lenin.
    In the 70's of the last century at VVUZ this work of V.I. Lenin was outlined and taught by heart.
    Helped?
  12. igoryok1984
    igoryok1984 23 February 2018 13: 13
    +8
    “Not a single phrase of Soviet wizards of the time from the Kremlin propaganda machine remained in the people's memory” But what about this phrase “Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours”?
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 14
      +1
      Weak. In Stalingrad it was better.
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 23 February 2018 13: 28
    +15
    He (or his litvzvod) aptly noted the fighting qualities of his sworn enemies - Russians: "It’s not enough to kill a Russian soldier - he must also be knocked down."

    How did you get the talkers, cheap, brainless, disgusting in their boundless stupidity. Why is that? Well, why exactly do you, the waste of the world, invariably climb up to “inspire” a Russian soldier ?! So it was the whole recent history - if you climbed onto the podium some bossy echo, you will certainly carry nonsense with an enlightened face. I suspect that part of our courage on the battlefield comes from reluctance to hear you again and again, you are an abomination human.
    Well, you don’t know anything about Russian history, except for the collections of “one hundred entertaining facts” read from a hangover. So check it out! Dial, ancephalus, a request online! Where is it ... Not for that, the boss of the ephedron lick to work, right? Yes, and in the right families are not born for that. In general, I am ashamed to read your congratulations. Shameful, dreary and disgusting. Apparently people like you are breaking a new sinecure for themselves - the revived political agencies.
    Will the army withstand the next coming of you in leadership? The Soviet army surrendered in many respects because the political organs were reborn. And you are right away! How it will increase combat readiness cannot be conveyed in words (not prohibited on the site). Pain.
    Yes, Friedrich of Prussia said that, of course. I will not touch the rest of the mistakes and stolen from anywhere. You are disgusting to me ...
    1. Curious
      Curious 23 February 2018 14: 17
      +11
      Here is a man who wrote a review from the heart! And there’s nothing to add, except to bring the full face and profile to the author of the article, but there’s no such possibility. It's a pity.
    2. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 14
      +2
      Muzchina, drink milk and calm down.
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 24 February 2018 06: 26
        +4
        The author, you would be more demanding of yourself, and not snap back in the comments.
  14. Curious
    Curious 23 February 2018 14: 32
    +15
    In general, the site was unpleasantly surprised. I expected on such a day to see an abundance of historical materials about the army, the successor of whose traditions the present is declared. Instead - this dull article of a person who is far from both knowledge and understanding. But the daily chewing gum about Ukraine is present in full. Or am I wrong?
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 15
      +1
      The article is not dull. The article is problematic. And patriotic, by the way. Pava, you did not notice this.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 23 February 2018 18: 55
        +8
        Quote: Moisey19631
        The article is not dull. The article is problematic. And patriotic, by the way. Pava, you did not notice this.


        Yeah ... such large-scale vysers ... and even in the "History" section ... Did the author write or did he drink alcohol?
        However...
        The hunchback poet
        Poems of his hunchback.
        Who is to blame?
        Jews are to blame!
      2. Dimmih
        Dimmih 23 February 2018 19: 23
        +6
        I agree with you, not sad, but driven into despondency. And I don’t want the most problematic one. The only problem is that they were able to publish it, thereby ebbbing your victory in the granite of national memory. Jesus, and your victory took off under the very skies with a swift jack. If you understand what else the jack ....
      3. pacific
        pacific 23 February 2018 22: 22
        +9
        Quote: Moisey19631
        The article is not dull. The article is problematic. And patriotic, by the way. Pava, you did not notice this.

        You already have that person in the comments with your nose pokes at your "mistakes". And you are worse than a kitten - you turn your face back and mutter your own: "did not notice..."

        How can you notice something that is not in the article ???

        Yes, just such a number of negative reviews should already make you wonder what you are still wrong about.
  15. Glory1974
    Glory1974 23 February 2018 14: 56
    +10
    Article sucks. Sorry for being blunt.
    Mikhail3 correctly wrote. I do not want to add anything.
  16. Barkun
    Barkun 23 February 2018 15: 00
    +4
    Not ... Chrysostom army and the country did not give ... And Uncle Vasya (the one that Margelov)? It is unprintable, of course, but very eloquent :)))). And it’s a shame for Suvorov ("Bullet-fool" ...)

    There are many roughnesses in the material, of course. But colleagues have already sorted out something.
    1. Moisey19631
      23 February 2018 16: 17
      +1
      Uncle Vasya, unfortunately (with all the enormous respect for him), except for the unprintable, left nothing. But he could.
  17. Doliva63
    Doliva63 23 February 2018 16: 21
    +5
    About the marines of the 61st brigade it is interesting - how will their former brigade commander use the nickname "captain"?
  18. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 23 February 2018 17: 03
    +2
    The article, of course, is informative, only in reality it is not so
    [/ quote] Bluff Churchill was a success. Hitler flinched. And he turned his troops to the East ... [quote]
    The fact that the life-giving Lebensraum for Germany lies in the East and nowhere else Hitler wrote in his Mein Kampf before coming to power in the 20-s. The meaning of the “Battle for England” in 1940-41 was that Hitler hoped to break Churchill, he needed allied England and its resources to march east. But it did not grow together.
  19. The comment was deleted.
  20. lwimu1976
    lwimu1976 23 February 2018 18: 56
    +5
    But Svyatoslav, Yaroslav the Wise and others like them did not “frame the word” with their no less significant victories for Russia. And in history, somehow lost. Rather, they are present, of course, but somehow faded, softly, unconvincingly - not like Nevsky.

    but Svyatoslav stepped forward and said: “We have nowhere to get away, whether we wish or not, but we must fight. So we will not disgrace the Russian land, but we will lay bones, for the shame is not known to the dead. We won’t run like cowards, but we’ll stand strong, and I’ll go ahead of you and if my head lies, then take care of your own salvation. ” And the soldiers answered: "Where your head lies to the prince, there we will lay our heads."
    “We shall not shame the Russian land”, “I am going to you”, “We will rise firmly”, “The dead do not have shame”. Ancient chroniclers attribute all these expressions to Prince Svyatoslav.
  21. Looking for
    Looking for 23 February 2018 21: 13
    +1
    One of the few good articles.
  22. colotun
    colotun 23 February 2018 21: 38
    +2
    Grenade bursted sky
    and tears into the dark spray of comrades.
    War will not allow you to go back.
    The war will crush, it is waiting for blood.
    War is our element.
  23. EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 February 2018 22: 00
    +6
    Author, you chat a lot.
    1. Dimmih
      Dimmih 24 February 2018 06: 24
      +6
      The author, it seems, is not familiar with the cadaverous smell and the stench of burnt human meat ... He would sniff once, look and understand something. Or maybe not. Theorists are such theorists.
  24. lwimu1976
    lwimu1976 24 February 2018 06: 58
    +4
    Quote: Seeker
    One of the few good articles.

    A little bad!
  25. Dimmih
    Dimmih 24 February 2018 07: 32
    +7
    In order to put an end to myself regarding this article, I allow myself to invite respected forum users to recall the immortal work of Y. Hasek, namely: the aunts from some committee visited the hospital for soldiers and handed out the icons and a leaflet "On the Martyrdom for the Emperor Emperor". The soldiers called them "heavenly goats," and the leaflets were used in closets. The goats in heaven were indignant that, they say, instead of ennobling the soldiers, they say they make animals out of them. So, from this article, since it is in electronic form, the sense is even less than from leaflets of heavenly goats ....
    1. Moisey19631
      24 February 2018 12: 55
      0
      Have you just left closet?
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 24 February 2018 14: 35
        +4
        My sir, as our Syrian friends say: drive the camels of your pride into a stall of prudence. Dear forum users in a friendly way inform you that your article is no good and indicate the reasons. It is expected that you will heed and begin to issue suitable material on the mountain, or commit an act of literary suicide.
        1. Olaf Uksimae
          Olaf Uksimae April 22 2018 09: 49
          0
          Suitable material? From such authors, the material may be suitable if it is on paper and goes with it. And then something can be dirty.
      2. Curious
        Curious 24 February 2018 22: 52
        +4
        I do not understand that you, Moishe 19631, are clowning around? It seems to you that you gave a masterpiece to the mountain, and the gray mass did not understand you and did not appreciate the scale of your talent? However, judging by your remarks, you have neither the talent nor the one who understands its absence. Time will put everything in its place. Snuggle on. Preferably in the closet. And then the smell ...
        1. Dimmih
          Dimmih 25 February 2018 10: 38
          +5
          Here the question is more likely to the site administration - how it becomes possible, what is published? Who admits such slag to publication? Aw, administration, please answer, I'm not the only one who wants to know.
          1. Curious
            Curious 25 February 2018 11: 00
            +3
            Voice in the wilderness.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 25 February 2018 11: 51
      +3
      remember the immortal work of J. Gashek

      What did you promise us
      Alas, it happened to you
      You promised us the sky
      But it was destined
      So that the grace of heaven
      You fell on your bald head
      Leaving from you
      Only a wet spot

      What a blessing that we are not in the ranks! You listen to this and you want to die immediately. But still have to. The author of this will certainly fit into the court propagandists!
      1. lwimu1976
        lwimu1976 25 February 2018 13: 59
        +3
        Century brought all sorts of lessons,
        But one thing - the crown of everything:
        Torches shine brighter than light
        Leading into the darkness.
  26. Cannonball
    Cannonball 25 February 2018 22: 44
    +5
    During the military campaign in Afghanistan, the information-ideological war was completely lost by the country's military-political establishment. Kremlin elders could not come up with hundreds of thousands of soldiers fighting and dying in a distant and foreign country any intelligible justification for their mission. Their more than controversial slogan “international duty” did not cause the personnel of the 40 army anything but uncensored comments. Unfortunately, there were no Klochkovs, who could inflame the soldiers on the “last and decisive”. Therefore, the attitude to the political commanders and advisers in the troops was extremely ambiguous. But for this there were objective reasons - this war was too alien for us.
    It is immediately obvious that the author in the Afghan question "neither ear nor snout." We knew what we were fighting for, we saw with our own eyes what "international duty" was, and we only swore at the slobber who mowed down from the army, and after screeching: "We did not send you there."
    A person who has not been in a war has no right to judge it. Judge better about the softness of the sofa and the freshness of the beer - it will be truer.
  27. beeper
    beeper 17 March 2018 17: 43
    +1
    I scold myself for seeing and reading this little article! Not an article, but a slag — it’s such a lousy aftertaste and my heart ached with disappointment, with my beloved, that, sometimes, I read all sorts of ... yes ! I was surprised to learn that Suvorov did not have “magic words” for soldiers and that “an ideological machine (the victim of the USE wrote, eh? smile ) Kremlin "allegedly" was in a coma "?
    The author would, more widely and more deeply, study the "spud" topic before writing his opus smile , but the impression that you are reading a student’s essay, but not an adult article on military history, and even with a claim, of a poorly informed (this becomes obvious from the first paragraphs of the text) writer, on “generalization” ?!
    It’s good that I didn’t read it on February 23 (God took it away?), Otherwise I would have spoiled my holiday yes
    In Soviet times, “conscripts” soldiers, though they graduated from a teacher training college, wrote articles (even in the company’s “Battle Leaflet”) better and better in Russian military history than this! And how many catchphrases from Russian and Soviet military leaders, especially Suvorov and his “Science of Victory”, everyone could quote from a condachka, so this is Mama Do not Cry!
    1. Olaf Uksimae
      Olaf Uksimae April 22 2018 09: 55
      +1
      Do not worry, take care of your health, the author Ponakopipastili nonsense, I hope in a state of alcoholic or some other intoxication, if I was sober, then yes, it’s completely sad.
      1. beeper
        beeper 14 May 2018 17: 44
        +1
        Thank you, Comrade Olaf Uksimae! good For your kind words!
        I sincerely wish you Health and Success!
        hi