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Shamanov: Russia has tested more than 200 new weapons in Syria

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Russia has tested in Syria the effectiveness of a significant arsenal of its new weapons, said the head of the Duma defense committee Vladimir Shamanov.


By helping the brotherly Syrian people, we have experienced more 200 new weapons
- said Shamanov at a meeting of the State Duma on Thursday

Shamanov: Russia has tested more than 200 new weapons in Syria


Thus, the deputy stressed, the effectiveness of the Russian weapons.

It is not by chance that today, in a number of directions, people are coming to us with the goal of purchasing our weapons, even countries that are not our allies.
- he said.

Shamanov particularly noted the contribution of the workers of the military-industrial complex, "thanks to which the soldiers in modern conditions can fulfill their patriotic duty."

Earlier, State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said at a briefing that according to State Department estimates, anti-Russian sanctions under the Law on Countering America's Enemies through Sanctions (CAATSA) led to losses in the Russian defense industry of approximately 3 billions of dollars.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 22 February 2018 19: 08
    +5
    So where else to test and verify military equipment if not in battle? Of course, this is true. And not all reports have reportedly passed the battle without comment.
    1. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 19: 14
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      So where else to test and verify military equipment if not in battle? Of course, this is true. And not all reports have reportedly passed the battle without comment.

      business - and nothing personal, but good business good
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 February 2018 19: 18
        +2
        Well, actually it’s hard to call a military use of weapons systems a business .. Although political goals in Syria are a goofy business ..
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        Quote: 210ox
        So where else to test and verify military equipment if not in battle? Of course, this is true. And not all reports have reportedly passed the battle without comment.

        business - and nothing personal, but good business good
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 19: 20
          +7
          Quote: 210ox
          Well, actually the military use of weapons systems is hardly a business.

          Do you think so? weird request demonstrations are the main engine of trade
          1. 210ox
            210ox 22 February 2018 19: 44
            +3
            Good. I agree with this. Moreover, this industry is one of the few in the Russian economy in demand in the world.
            Quote: Angel_and_Demon
            Quote: 210ox
            Well, actually the military use of weapons systems is hardly a business.

            Do you think so? weird request demonstrations are the main engine of trade
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 20: 50
              +5
              Quote: 210ox
              Good. I agree with this. Moreover, this industry is one of the few in the Russian economy in demand in the world.

              here I am about the same hi
      2. Ierarh
        Ierarh 22 February 2018 22: 16
        +1
        Yes, PR is good. But:



        More can be ...
        1. Dmitry Belovetsky
          Dmitry Belovetsky 23 February 2018 00: 55
          +10
          In many ways he is right!
          Russia is expanding its geopolitics, the military-industrial complex, and inside the camp there is a complete mess of Irazrukh.
          Who is in the forest, someone for firewood!
          With this approach to the domestic policy of GDP without the people, the necessary military personnel!
          Good gentlemen, and who will protect Russia itself? Gasterbeiters? I doubt it very much.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 23 February 2018 12: 04
            +6
            Quote: Dmitry Belovetsky
            ... Good gentlemen, and who will protect Russia itself? Gasterbeiters? I doubt it very much ...

            And do not expect yes
      3. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 23 February 2018 08: 01
        0
        Through this business, Russia is heading for its finale, so what's good?
        1. Ierarh
          Ierarh 23 February 2018 09: 43
          +1
          Why's that... laughing
          1. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 24 February 2018 14: 05
            0

            Something like this! The truth is being spoken by Alexander Grigrievich! Besmenmen underdeveloped.
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 February 2018 10: 06
        +1
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        business - and nothing personal, but good business

        It’s strange. And I believe that primarily weapons are created to protect the country, and not for sale.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 February 2018 19: 20
      +6
      Syria, this is the revival of Russia ..! Then I remember Putin took a serious risk (Ukraine was blazing and the persecution of Russia was gaining momentum) But it turned out men, survived .. There was a brilliant move, our analytical centers of the General Staff! And most importantly, our Navy just stood along the perimeter of the coast of Syria (all that they could have collected.) Against the USA Armada AUG! And Obamych chickened out .. hehe
      Then we will find out more in detail .. (do not let us publish it all)))) Well, nothing .. soldier
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 19: 28
        +8
        Vital, spit and have not exceeded
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 22 February 2018 19: 38
        +16
        Quote: MIKHAN
        ... Syria, this is the rebirth of Russia ..!.

        Syria is a country in distress, to which our Armed Forces provide all possible assistance.
        The revival of Russia lies in ourselves, Syria is no side here.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 22 February 2018 20: 14
          +4
          Quote: Andrey K
          Syria is a country in distress, to which our Armed Forces provide all possible assistance.


          Mmm ... you know, now in Myanmar, oh how restless. They also have trouble.

          geopolitics is geopolitics, do not play Aibolitov.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 22 February 2018 20: 30
            +14
            Quote: Maki Avellevich
            ... geopolitics is geopolitics, do not play Aibolitov ...

            Myanmar is of little interest to me, there the Chinese neighbors will steer. They will succeed.
            Here in Israel, the Palestinians are offended.

            Israel itself, played with the support of the cutthroats from Jebhat al-Nusra. What is interesting is that Aibolit poses as himself - with humanitarian weapons, helps advisers.

            I suppose that in Syria, they will inflict eggplant on someone.
            What do you think, from the geopolitical point of view - will the right decision be?
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 22 February 2018 20: 41
              +1
              Quote: Andrey K
              I suppose that in Syria, they will inflict eggplant on someone.
              What do you think, from the geopolitical point of view - will the right decision be?


              absolutely true, we hope that we will nip the correct eggplant.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 22 February 2018 20: 44
                +7
                Quote: Maki Avellevich
                ... absolutely true, let’s hope that we will pinch the correct eggplant ...

                Well and goodies.
                Let it be the other way around: the wrong one will be pinched, and the right one - so that he lives and lives yes
              2. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 23 February 2018 01: 10
                +7
                Quote: Maki Avellevich
                Quote: Andrey K
                I suppose that in Syria, they will inflict eggplant on someone.
                What do you think, from the geopolitical point of view - will the right decision be?


                absolutely true let's hope we get the right eggplant.
                The "Shaman" knows who, what, and when to pinch ... God's chosen here is the main thing - to properly navigate - the most democratic allies in the world - from one side. Mongol-Asian Margelov thugs - on the other. Remember whose you are?
                Yes, and more. Remember that the homeland is not where the buns are sweeter ... Or the homeless cosmopolitans the concept of homeland, which gave them life, childhood, higher education - is this concept alien to them ?. Yes Yes... Where the seat is warm, there is the homeland .....
                They wouldn’t speak for patriotism, God's chosen ones, it’s a shame to talk about the motherland who spat in it ...
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 23 February 2018 11: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Yes, and more. Remember that the homeland is not where the buns are sweeter ...


                  I was born in Ukraine, the USSR. the memory of the years lived there with me.
                  the homeland of my people is Israel, and for the "buns" you have to pay dearly here, as well as blood.
                  I prefer this reality to the one in which people like you have come up with a fifth column for my people.
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 23 February 2018 12: 49
                    +6
                    Quote: Maki Avellievich
                    I prefer this reality to the one in which people like you have come up with a fifth column for my people.

                    The fifth column offends you? I wrote "Russian" there, my school friend - "Ukrainian" - sat at one desk. There were Uzbeks, there were Georgians, my first school love Ira was written "Jewess" .....
                    I am not shy of my nationality. Russian - he is Russian in AfricaSince when have Jews become embarrassed to say that they are Jews? I had the chief of staff Frenkel. - a great man ...
                    Flush your brain with running water - who and when you personally and your people as a whole in the USSR spread rot? Genetic memory haunts, Kiev pogroms come to mind? Here Russophobia and the "fifth point" emerges ...For answers - to Goebbels ......
                    Do not be shy of your nationality as I am not shy of my own - and life will seem easier ....... And "the fifth point has nothing to do with it - do not repeat the beaten stamps - there are enough trolls on VO without you .....
                    You are our democratic ...
            2. Strips
              Strips 23 February 2018 07: 57
              +1
              Quote: Andrey K
              Israel itself, played with the support of the cutthroats from Jebhat al-Nusra.


              Evidence will or will you continue to lie? negative



              The Israeli Air Force struck on Saturday at the armored vehicles of the militants "Dzhebhat An-Nusry" *, and not at the positions of the Syrian government forces, told RIA Novosti military-diplomatic source in the Russian Defense Ministry.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 23 February 2018 12: 42
                +7
                Quote: Tiras
                ... Evidence will or will you continue to lie? ...

                Dashing you are a Jew laughing
                It’s almost like Chapaev’s - with a raid, with a turn belay
                You have a problem - you don’t know the materiel, and ran into a non-Russian lol
                You are lying here, exclusively you negative
                Check out the report by UN Secretary General António Guterres yes
                Although what am I talking about, he is also a liar wink
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 23 February 2018 13: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey K
                  Check out the report by UN Secretary General António Guterres


                  The UN is our everything!
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 23 February 2018 14: 12
                    +8
                    Quote: Maki Avellevich
                    ... the UN is our everything! ...

                    Dmitriy hi
                    The UN and our everything. If something is needed - Russia vote, and so on between things, the same Guterrish and in our address, "concerns" expresses laughing
                    That's life request
      3. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 22 February 2018 20: 07
        +9
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Syria, this is the revival of Russia ..! Then I remember Putin took a serious risk (Ukraine was blazing and the persecution of Russia was gaining momentum) But it turned out men, survived .. There was a brilliant move, our analytical centers of the General Staff! And most importantly, our Navy just stood along the perimeter of the coast of Syria (all that they could have collected.) Against the USA Armada AUG! And Obamych chickened out .. hehe
        Then we will find out more in detail .. (do not let us publish it all)))) Well, nothing .. soldier




        Meehan, I love to read you. After your comments, the phrase “causation” requires a new understanding.
    3. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 22 February 2018 19: 35
      +1
      All the best to bearded children.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 22 February 2018 20: 23
      0
      Who would be against patriotism? But you can’t imagine a better way to test military equipment alive in combat conditions. winked
    5. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 22 February 2018 22: 39
      +6
      Dima, hi !
      Quote: 210ox
      So where else to test and verify military equipment if not in battle?

      The battle reveals everything ... That is why America jumps on us - we have not seen yet that on the counterpart of the AKS in the belly without a bayonet-knife it comes in forearm .... But Vietnam has already been forgotten .....
      In Nicaragua, El Salvador, Laos, Algeria, Libya, Chad, Nigeria, this was not the case - Vieta are the best students. Why? There is only one answer - they like us - to win or die. If a universal passionometer existed, then the flights would be second after us. And America is in the second hundred .....
      In the belly of America without a bayonet-knife ... On the counter ... To the forend .....
      That's all, Dmitry, check ....
  2. Egorovich
    Egorovich 22 February 2018 19: 23
    +3
    The best training ground is a battlefield, you can’t argue with that.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 22 February 2018 19: 35
      +5
      Egoritch, hello! hi The mattresses themselves did not want to give Russia the opportunity to test new weapons and show them in action. They can also bill for advertising - it will become from these peddlers. wink
      Earlier, State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said at a briefing that according to State Department estimates, anti-Russian sanctions under the Law on Countering America's Enemies through Sanctions (CAATSA) led to losses in the Russian defense industry of approximately 3 billions of dollars.

      And here it is - for complacency and superfluous proof how mattresses are able to "honestly" compete. yes
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 22 February 2018 19: 58
        +3
        Pasha, good evening hi ! Yes, we have with the mattress a long time arms competition. What Vietnam and Afghanistan alone are worth. But about the "honesty" of the striped I agree.
      2. helmi8
        helmi8 22 February 2018 21: 03
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        The mattresses themselves, unwillingly giving Russia the opportunity to test new weapons and show them in action

        And now they scream all over the world so that they don’t buy weapons from Russia ... fool laughing
        1. poquello
          poquello 22 February 2018 22: 29
          +1
          Quote: helmi8
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          The mattresses themselves, unwillingly giving Russia the opportunity to test new weapons and show them in action

          And now they scream all over the world so that they don’t buy weapons from Russia ... fool laughing

          once again tread on their eggs
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  4. bogart047
    bogart047 22 February 2018 19: 42
    +3
    I have nothing wrong with the Syrians, I know little about them, but ... there were already fraternal peoples in Russia, enough already.
  5. taiga2018
    taiga2018 22 February 2018 19: 50
    +2
    plus our officers have received and are receiving invaluable combat experience (unfortunately there are dead), but still this is a war, and experience will make it possible, in the event of anything, to save the lives of soldiers in the future, and of course we learned that we have a military police that is ready solve the most difficult tasks ...
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 22 February 2018 19: 55
    0
    The range continues to work - now our fifth-generation Su57 fighter will be run there! As well as some weapons men, which we don’t even know about!
  7. Falcond
    Falcond 22 February 2018 20: 27
    +1
    No photos of the new TOSka were found ... could have depicted Solntsepek, and not Pinocchio from the times of Afghanistan
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 22 February 2018 22: 22
      0
      Are there any claims to Pinocchio? In fact, two volleys were enough for the exit to pass without any problems.
  8. reibert
    reibert 22 February 2018 20: 33
    0
    Empire strikes again))))
  9. Simon
    Simon 22 February 2018 20: 42
    +2
    Well, what can I say, our weapons were tested in combat conditions - this is very good. good
  10. Simon
    Simon 22 February 2018 20: 46
    +1
    Quote: FalconD
    No photos of the new TOSka were found ... could have depicted Solntsepek, and not Pinocchio from the times of Afghanistan

    So what! If Pinocchio is the first version of Solntsepek. If “Pinocchio” showed himself on the good side, then “Solntsepek” is even better !.
  11. Black joe
    Black joe 22 February 2018 21: 43
    +1
    Let them soak in the toilet
    By all means
    When animal stock is shrinking, one cannot but welcome
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 February 2018 21: 53
    +1
    Personnel !!! The personnel, as usual, were tested and, as always, came to the conclusion that our soldier is the only one !!! Guys, you were all different in education, in marital status, and in dreams! And this is until the first stage, until the first explosion of a grenade, and then everything is exactly the same for all, one present and one future. We must learn to plow the land, we were taught to shoot, and we also know how to die. It's time to learn how to grow bread and learn how to live. Oh, I'm ... I'm old for vodka, weak for brandy! I switched to viskar ... do not consider it a defector. Health is not what it is for vodka and cognac! Happy Holidays, brothers, sons and grandchildren!
  13. Cop
    Cop 22 February 2018 21: 59
    +1
    So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?
    1. poquello
      poquello 22 February 2018 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: Cop
      So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

      ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it
      1. Cop
        Cop 23 February 2018 18: 21
        +2
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: Cop
        So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

        ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

        So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?
        1. poquello
          poquello 25 February 2018 17: 25
          0
          Quote: Cop
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Cop
          So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

          ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

          So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?

          so there is something to frighten so far, everything is moderately good
          1. Cop
            Cop 25 February 2018 19: 21
            0
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Cop
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Cop
            So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

            ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

            So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?

            so there is something to frighten so far, everything is moderately good

            ... so there is something to scare so far.

            Why aren’t they afraid? That plane "land", then the "mercenaries" beat or sanctions announced ....
            1. poquello
              poquello 26 February 2018 00: 20
              0
              Quote: Cop
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Cop
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Cop
              So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

              ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

              So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?

              so there is something to frighten so far, everything is moderately good

              ... so there is something to scare so far.

              Why aren’t they afraid? That plane "land", then the "mercenaries" beat or sanctions announced ....

              and these are signs such fear not? )))
              1. Cop
                Cop 26 February 2018 08: 46
                0
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Cop
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Cop
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Cop
                So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

                ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

                So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?

                so there is something to frighten so far, everything is moderately good

                ... so there is something to scare so far.

                Why aren’t they afraid? That plane "land", then the "mercenaries" beat or sanctions announced ....

                and these are signs such fear not? )))

                and these are signs such fear not? )))

                Well, of course ... It would be the other way around, they would have provided an escort from F-22 and F-35, and they would have allocated regulators for the "mercenaries", and they would have provided free help, and the IOC chairman would be sent to Guantanamo ... ..
                1. poquello
                  poquello 26 February 2018 21: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Cop
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Cop
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Cop
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: Cop
                  So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

                  ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

                  So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?

                  so there is something to frighten so far, everything is moderately good

                  ... so there is something to scare so far.

                  Why aren’t they afraid? That plane "land", then the "mercenaries" beat or sanctions announced ....

                  and these are signs such fear not? )))

                  and these are signs such fear not? )))

                  Well, of course ... It would be the other way around, they would have provided an escort from F-22 and F-35, and they would have allocated regulators for the "mercenaries", and they would have provided free help, and the IOC chairman would be sent to Guantanamo ... ..

                  what, and the Koreans are afraid of the northern United States?
                  1. Cop
                    Cop 27 February 2018 09: 28
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: Cop
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: Cop
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: Cop
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: Cop
                    So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

                    ) and there’s still dofig that you can test, but the bourgeoisie isn’t even supposed to guess about it

                    So, if they don’t guess, then how are they afraid they will?

                    so there is something to frighten so far, everything is moderately good

                    ... so there is something to scare so far.

                    Why aren’t they afraid? That plane "land", then the "mercenaries" beat or sanctions announced ....

                    and these are signs such fear not? )))

                    and these are signs such fear not? )))

                    Well, of course ... It would be the other way around, they would have provided an escort from F-22 and F-35, and they would have allocated regulators for the "mercenaries", and they would have provided free help, and the IOC chairman would be sent to Guantanamo ... ..

                    what, and the Koreans are afraid of the northern United States?

                    what, and the Koreans are afraid of the northern United States?

                    Is not it so? They even went to the Olympics and started negotiations ... But the matter almost didn’t reach the war. And then suddenly "we are of the same blood, me and you" ......
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 27 February 2018 19: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Cop
                      Is not it so? They even went to the Olympics and started negotiations ... But the matter almost didn’t reach the war. And then suddenly "we are of the same blood, me and you" ......

                      ))) Yeah, out of fear at the Olympics we went, Japan Steel
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 23 February 2018 03: 46
      +2
      Quote: Cop
      So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

      None of the relatively "raw" projects to drive into battle for the test will not. First, they will pass all kinds of tests at our landfills. In addition, they are not for sale. In Syria, our equipment was not only tested, but also advertised. The State Department said that we lost 3 lard on arms sales, but the total volume of orders increased. That is, in the USA they considered only the canceled contracts and agreements of intentions, and they forgot to calculate the new volume of orders after the Syrian oclam.
      1. Cop
        Cop 23 February 2018 18: 26
        0
        Quote: Alex-a832
        Quote: Cop
        So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

        None of the relatively "raw" projects to drive into battle for the test will not. First, they will pass all kinds of tests at our landfills. In addition, they are not for sale. In Syria, our equipment was not only tested, but also advertised. The State Department said that we lost 3 lard on arms sales, but the total volume of orders increased. That is, in the USA they considered only the canceled contracts and agreements of intentions, and they forgot to calculate the new volume of orders after the Syrian oclam.

        Well i.e. it is possible to color the “Armata” in the colors of the “Colorado potato beetle” and send it to the parade, but apply desert camouflage and send it to the Syrian desert. religion does not allow for checking all systems in combat conditions, so what? What is it called I hope you guess.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 February 2018 10: 26
      0
      Quote: Cop
      So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

      But what, didn’t you hear anything about the two Su-57s that arrived at the Khmeimim base? Or turned off in Finland tyrnet? Even the Yankees already noted with comments
      1. Cop
        Cop 23 February 2018 18: 31
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Cop
        So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

        But what, didn’t you hear anything about the two Su-57s that arrived at the Khmeimim base? Or turned off in Finland tyrnet? Even the Yankees already noted with comments

        Well, on the website of the RF Ministry of Defense, nothing is said about this ...... And “tyrnet” in Finland probably works no worse than in Russia, at least it was exactly like that when I was there. "Pentagon spokesman Eric Pahon said during a briefing that the US is checking information on the deployment of fifth-generation Russian fighters in Syrian territory." This is how the Yankees were marked .......
    4. svp67
      svp67 23 February 2018 18: 25
      +1
      Quote: Cop
      So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

      Everything has its time. Syria is not only a testing ground, but an EXHIBITION AREA on which there is a demonstration of equipment and weapons that Russia is ready to offer for sale and this is one of the primary tasks.
      1. Cop
        Cop 23 February 2018 19: 10
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Cop
        So I want to ask Mr. Shamanov, why didn’t they test the T-14? Or Su-57?

        Everything has its time. Syria is not only a testing ground, but an EXHIBITION AREA on which there is a demonstration of equipment and weapons that Russia is ready to offer for sale and this is one of the primary tasks.

        Something I do not understand you .... Our president has repeatedly stated that the Syrian contingent of Russian troops is the front line in the fight against terrorism. And you’re talking about an advertising campaign .... So who is lying then?
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 February 2018 19: 26
          0
          Quote: Cop
          Something I do not understand you .... Our president has repeatedly stated that the Syrian contingent of Russian troops is the front line in the fight against terrorism. And you’re talking about an advertising campaign .... So who is lying then?

          If you call Putin "our president", then you should be aware of the meaning of these statements:
          - one, no other interference
          - combine business with pleasure
          1. Cop
            Cop 23 February 2018 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Cop
            Something I do not understand you .... Our president has repeatedly stated that the Syrian contingent of Russian troops is the front line in the fight against terrorism. And you’re talking about an advertising campaign .... So who is lying then?

            If you call Putin "our president", then you should be aware of the meaning of these statements:
            - one, no other interference
            - combine business with pleasure

            If you call Putin "our president"

            Why can’t you call him that? It seems like more than 70% of the electorate supports it. Yes, and I once voted for him. So in my opinion everything is logical ....
            - combine business with pleasure

            Well i.e. following your logic, did 14 Utkin’s comrades die for public relations? You do not want to say this to Utkin yourself? Or his deputy Troshev ....
            1. svp67
              svp67 23 February 2018 21: 14
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              Quote: Cop
              Why can’t you call him that?

              Weird question.
              Quote: Cop
              Well i.e. following your logic, did 14 Utkin’s comrades die for public relations? You do not want to say this to Utkin yourself? Or his deputy Troshev ....

              Do you have a brain maidan? You do not confuse "hard with hot"? And now, sales of weapons and military equipment and the death of PMC employees?
              1. Cop
                Cop 23 February 2018 22: 28
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                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Cop
                Why can’t you call him that?

                Weird question.
                Quote: Cop
                Well i.e. following your logic, did 14 Utkin’s comrades die for public relations? You do not want to say this to Utkin yourself? Or his deputy Troshev ....

                Do you have a brain maidan? You do not confuse "hard with hot"? And now, sales of weapons and military equipment and the death of PMC employees?

                Weird question...

                And what is strange then?
                You look like a "maidan of the brain"

                And you seem to have no shame and conscience .....
                And now, sales of weapons and military equipment and the death of PMC employees?

                Yes, besides, it’s you who talked about the exhibition site .... they say that we’ve “promoted” our military equipment there. Wouldn’t it be cheaper to collect all military attachés and “PR” them with our military equipment? You look now, you wouldn’t have to give Filipov’s family a star. Going to fight so fight, and not do crap ....
                1. svp67
                  svp67 24 February 2018 03: 59
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                  Quote: Cop
                  And what is strange then?

                  Because you are a free person and do not go beyond the rules of decency and do not break the law.
                  Quote: Cop
                  And you seem to have no shame and conscience .....

                  You think so? And when your thoughts are "chopped off" from the topic on the topic that on that Maidan, is this normal?
                  Quote: Cop
                  Wouldn’t it be cheaper to collect all military attachés and “PR” them with our military equipment?

                  Such events take place every year, but it’s one thing to show on demonstration sites and a completely different demonstration of capabilities in combat conditions. And there are so many examples
                  Quote: Cop
                  Going to fight so fight, and not do crap ....

                  Welcome to the real world. And the "rules of the game" in it, alas, are. And we do not write them yet.
                  1. Cop
                    Cop 24 February 2018 19: 44
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                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Cop
                    And what is strange then?

                    Because you are a free person and do not go beyond the rules of decency and do not break the law.
                    Quote: Cop
                    And you seem to have no shame and conscience .....

                    You think so? And when your thoughts are "chopped off" from the topic on the topic that on that Maidan, is this normal?
                    Quote: Cop
                    Wouldn’t it be cheaper to collect all military attachés and “PR” them with our military equipment?

                    Such events take place every year, but it’s one thing to show on demonstration sites and a completely different demonstration of capabilities in combat conditions. And there are so many examples
                    Quote: Cop
                    Going to fight so fight, and not do crap ....

                    Welcome to the real world. And the "rules of the game" in it, alas, are. And we do not write them yet.

                    Because you are a free person and do not go beyond the rules of decency and do not break the law.

                    Again, I don’t understand something .... then I have a “maidan of the brain”, then .... But what should be burdened with the brain, so that a law-abiding person would seem strange to him?
                    And when your thoughts are "chopped off" from the topic on the topic that on that Maidan, is this normal?

                    And why did you decide that they are "scribbling"? PMCs are a derivative of Russia's participation in the Syrian conflict. There would be no participation, there would be no PMCs, in my opinion, the connection is direct.
                    ..... it’s one thing to show on demonstration sites and a completely different demonstration of capabilities in combat conditions. And there are so many examples

                    Really a lot ..... So after the death of Roman Filipov, messages appeared on the network that he was flying on a Su-25 SM3. And this is the last modification of the attack aircraft and it is equipped with the Vitebsk complex. And if so, then why didn't it work? Roman Filipov, perhaps for this reason, flew so low and did not fire heat traps. So much for the PRT advertising campaign. And here is another PR action that took place on February 7th. AH-64, and F-15S, and F-22, and AC-130, and B-52H, etc. were promoted in it. Which PR campaign did you like more?
                    Welcome to the real world. And the "rules of the game" in it, alas, are. And we do not write them yet.

                    Or maybe if you move the interests of the gentlemen: the Sechins, the Millers, the Prigozhins, etc., then the rules of the game will change ....?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 25 February 2018 04: 56
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                      Quote: Cop
                      And if so, then why didn't it work?

                      "Vitebsk"? I will not argue. One thing I can say about this modification of this electronic warfare complex was abandoned more than a year ago, since it already didn’t protect one of our turntables and was “removed” until the deficiencies were eliminated. If what you said is true, then it’s probably worth removing this complex altogether. Fortunately there is something to change.
                      Quote: Cop
                      Roman Filipov may for precisely this reason and flew so low and did not shoot heat traps

                      He flew over the "de-escalation zone", where according to intelligence MANPADS "were not." Otherwise, the escort would have been much more powerful.
                      Quote: Cop
                      And here is another PR action that took place on February 7th. AH-64, and F-15S, and F-22, and AC-130, and B-52H, etc. were promoted in it.

                      And why did they forget about the Kurds and Special Forces of the United States ILC?
                      Quote: Cop
                      What PR campaign did you like more?

                      I like the one where the “barmalei” flee from Russian weapons.
                      Quote: Cop
                      Or maybe if you move the interests of the gentlemen: the Sechins, the Millers, the Prigozhins, etc., then the rules of the game will change ....?

                      Well, try it. History simply shows that in place of the "advanced" come new ... more arrogant and "hungry"
                      1. Cop
                        Cop 25 February 2018 19: 42
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                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: Cop
                        And if so, then why didn't it work?

                        "Vitebsk"? I will not argue. One thing I can say about this modification of this electronic warfare complex was abandoned more than a year ago, since it already didn’t protect one of our turntables and was “removed” until the deficiencies were eliminated. If what you said is true, then it’s probably worth removing this complex altogether. Fortunately there is something to change.
                        Quote: Cop
                        Roman Filipov may for precisely this reason and flew so low and did not shoot heat traps

                        He flew over the "de-escalation zone", where according to intelligence MANPADS "were not." Otherwise, the escort would have been much more powerful.
                        Quote: Cop
                        And here is another PR action that took place on February 7th. AH-64, and F-15S, and F-22, and AC-130, and B-52H, etc. were promoted in it.

                        And why did they forget about the Kurds and Special Forces of the United States ILC?
                        Quote: Cop
                        What PR campaign did you like more?

                        I like the one where the “barmalei” flee from Russian weapons.
                        Quote: Cop
                        Or maybe if you move the interests of the gentlemen: the Sechins, the Millers, the Prigozhins, etc., then the rules of the game will change ....?

                        Well, try it. History simply shows that in place of the "advanced" come new ... more arrogant and "hungry"

                        .... this modification of this electronic warfare complex was abandoned more than a year ago.

                        How so? Here a month or a little ago, there was a plot from Syria in Mr. Kiselyov’s program. They showed a helicopter in it, as far as I remember it was a Mi-28N, which was equipped with the President S electronic warfare system. But it is he who is part of the Vitebsk 25 complex, specially designed for the Su-25 SM3. Again the same question, who is lying? And the president is pretty good at protecting against old missiles with a thermal seeker. I saw a video in YouTube posted by militants. It was clearly visible on it, as a rocket fired from MANPADS when approaching a helicopter suddenly goes up with a candle. I think that in this case they simply shot something new and that is why the RF Ministry of Defense shows such interest in the wreckage of the aircraft.
                        He flew over the "de-escalation zone", where according to intelligence MANPADS "were not."

                        Well, even before the new year, Mr. Satanovsky, in the broadcast of the same Kiselev, claimed that the Americans put the Syrian opposition MANPADS. This is what it turns out Satanovsky knew, SVR and GRU not? Then what do they get paid for? And then, if this is a "de-escalation zone" where hostilities should not be fought, why did they send the Su-25, and not the Tu-214R?
                        And why did they forget about the Kurds and Special Forces of the United States ILC?

                        Why did you forget? I have written etc..
                        History simply shows that in place of the "advanced" come new ... more arrogant and "hungry"

                        You apparently did not teach history well, especially the latest, and even Chinese. And for some reason it seems to me that it is for this reason that China is developing at such a pace ......
  14. midshipman
    midshipman 23 February 2018 14: 43
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    Not only weapons, but also the rules of bombing, which we worked out at the end of the Afghan war (from 5 thousand meters with an error of 20 meters). Read the article in VO "Ordered to improve the accuracy of missile and bomb strikes." I have the honor.
  15. Haye
    Haye 28 February 2018 23: 14
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    Comrades, on the "robots" in Syria did not slip anything?