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Kirzach vs berets. Part of 1

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The controversy surrounding army shoes did not begin yesterday, and for several years the Internet shook. The disputants shared on the whole into two antagonistic and opposing camps, which can be called “baggage handlers” and “handkerchiefs”. The first ones came out for a tarpaulin boot and a footcloth relying on it, while the second ones came out for berets (or, alternatively, trekking boots) with socks relying on them.


The disputes between them, for example on the forum Guns.ru, were fierce and principled, but in some places vividly resembled the disputes between “blunt-tips” and “pointed-points” from the famous work of Jonathan Swift. Only “kirsa + footcloth” or only “berets + sock” without trying to find some objective criteria for choosing an army shoe, or finding some kind of compromise.
Although these disputes will hover over this article, and beyond any doubt, the comments will be full of “bag-makers” and “socks”, nevertheless, I will try to solve this problem.

Clash of tradition

The first thing that struck me was the fact that, for the American army, laced shoes are as traditional as the boots for the Russian army. American infantry put on a high boot with lacing for the first time, at least during the war with Great Britain 1812. Subsequently, quite a few varieties of this army shoe appeared, but all of these models, such as: Jefferson Davis Boot during the Civil War, Trench Boot or Pershing Boot during the First World War, as well as models from the Second World War, like the famous Combat Service Boot - All of them were boots with lacing.

Kirzach vs berets. Part of 1

Trench Boot (trench boots) during the First World War on the feet of soldiers


This is an advanced version of Combat Service Boot, which appeared by the end of World War II. As you can see, the difference with the "trench shoes" is not at all cardinal.


And here for comparison Combat Boot since the Vietnam War. The principal continuity is obvious.

It is enough to take a look at history American military shoes to understand that they hold on to their traditions very tenaciously, and the creation of berets is only one of the wonders of this traditional approach. Why is it so hard to say. Apparently, the Americans believe that the shoe with lacing is more convenient for them.

Such a long history of the American army boot, together with the extraordinary constructive similarity of even the earliest examples of it with modern warriors, allows us to consider the dispute between the “dressmakers” and “socks” in a new light. This is really a clash of two traditions, and not at all figuring out which shoes are better.

In favor of the American tradition, such factors as extensive military assistance that the United States in different years provided to a variety of countries worked, and among the supplied weapons and equipment were, of course, army boots. Because of this, and also because of the seizure of trophies, American boots have become familiar to most armies in the world, both allied and hostile to the United States.

Further, the United States won the Cold War, and remained at the end of the twentieth century the largest and strongest military power, which immediately gave rise to fashion for everything American. Many people innocently thought that it was necessary to imitate the Americans in everything, including in army shoes. Since it is very difficult to admit even to oneself that the whole thing is in fashion, imitating the winner, various mythology has gone into motion, still surrounding the berets and all the other numerous varieties of army boots with lacing. In Russia, this fascination with the American approach was still based on the desire to do "as in the whole civilized world."
The Soviet army, an essential attribute of which was the tarpaulin boot and footcloth, once great and powerful, collapsed with the collapse of the USSR and, in fact, was defeated without a fight. Of course, very few people want to imitate the vanquished.

So, the clash of traditions, reinforced by the US victory in the Cold War and the fashionable fashion for everything American. These shoe traditions are obviously rooted in national experience and psychology, so this factor must be taken into account in order to divert most of the emotional attacks in this shoe discussion. The position of those who zealously (and, I emphasize, without rational arguments) is protected by the berets, I assess so that they just want to be at least something on the strong side.

Some personal experience

In my personal experience, wearing different types of shoes were: kersey boots, chrome boots, and, of course, leather berets. I wore boots on a coatcloth and on a woolen sock.

My warmest memories are, oddly enough, about chrome boots. These were real, Soviet boots, inherited from grandfather, and released, judging by the factory stamp, back in 1974 year. They were excellent for a couple of seasons, despite their venerable age, but then they had to part with them - the sole rubbed off.

Lightweight, comfortable, not felt on the foot when walking or at work. Initially, they nailed to the foot, and I had to walk around for about a week with scuffs, but then everything returned to normal. The legs were always dry and in any weather, and even more so they could go into the water at least until the middle of the leg, without any fear of wetting the feet (I checked it specifically). In general, as long as it does not pour over the bootleg, the legs will be dry. The unbroken and worn-out boot is completely sealed.

For my taste, for a chrome boot, a footcloth and a woolen sock over a knitted sock are completely interchangeable and about the same in comfort. Socks, by the way, with a long walk also had to be corrected from time to time.

The only serious drawback of the classic model of chrome boots is the smooth sole that slides quite easily over wet ground, and you can slip even on heavily drenched grass.

Kirzy boot is considered worse than chrome, but I was left with a slightly different opinion from wearing it. Kirzach is another boot with its own characteristics. It is somewhat heavier than chrome (mainly due to a thicker sole, a more powerful heel, and much more rough skin that is applied to the vamp and heel), but at the same time it is much stronger and better protects the foot from impacts and possible injuries. For difficult rough terrain, as well as to work kirzach definitely better chrome boot.

Kirzy boots also protect well against water and, if they are not damaged, they are as tight as chrome ones. Only if chromic still significantly swells from water, then the swelling of the kersey is much weaker and almost imperceptible.

A kirz boot is worn quite comfortably both on a footcloth and on a woolen sock over a knitted one. But still, in my opinion, a thick footwoman for a kirzach is preferable, since this way the leg is better and more comfortable. Well, if a wool sock, then it should be taken thicker. By the way, I always wore boots, and then berets, on a woolen sock, even in the summer heat, and had no problems. Wool protects not only from cold, but also from overheating.

The drawback of a kirzach is, of course, but anecdotal: it’s impossible to dance in squat, as in chromic ones. Well, he was not done for that.

Kirzach of the old model also had a smooth sole with some tendency to slip (in my opinion, less than that of chromium ones), but this disadvantage was eliminated by a rubber sole with a grouser in new models.

Bertsy. Nothing like that, you can wear. However, I did not notice any miraculous properties attributed to him. Fixing the ankle is no different from fixing in the boots, and in a kersey boot on a thick footcloth or on a thick woolen toe will, perhaps, be more reliable. Wearing comfort? I don’t know, because I wore berets only on a woolen sock over a knitted one, so I didn’t notice any differences with a boot.

On water resistance, any berets significantly lose their boots, simply because of the design features. Briefly they can go into the water about ankle-deep or a little higher without any problems. But with constant contact with water, the berets quickly swell and become wet inside. In addition, quite often the water begins to seep under the lacing and under the tongue. Here, a lot depends on the particular model, but if the tongue is not deaf, but the feet are soaked quickly.

The underbelly of the berets is lacing. The laces are quite quickly frayed and rotted, and the non-laced berets are extremely uncomfortable shoes.

That is, berets can be worn, but there are no distinct advantages over boots, rather, they are even slightly inferior. For example, compared to a kirzach, the protection of a foot against impacts or injuries is noticeably weaker.

Of course, that issues of origin and personal convenience are not at all decisive in the subject of army shoes. Here, of course, it is necessary to take into account many other factors, for example, military-economic ones (these include the relative simplicity of manufacturing shoes from non-deficient raw materials). This will be discussed in more detail in another part of this article.
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 23 February 2018 06: 59
    +5
    What is only such an option ... a kirzach and berets ... at the end of the 80s, a comrade returned from the army, so they had neat leather boots with a low shank and a suspender in the upper part in intelligence ... they looked stylish.
    1. Arkady Gaidar
      Arkady Gaidar 23 February 2018 12: 13
      +29
      This version of the boots was produced for the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. When landing in the water, or jumping with a parachute, boots without a catch often fly off.
      The boot has very significant advantages in modern warfare:
      1. He dresses easier and faster, which is extremely important when there is a sudden alarm, a raid, or God forbid, a nuclear war.
      2. It is much simpler and cheaper to manufacture. This means that the soldiers will not walk barefoot. They can be produced more by fully supplying the army.
      3. The boot is taller than the boot. And so, it is better to protect eggs from bullets and fragments at the end, due to the density of the material. The wound will be less deep and harmful. And fans say that there are anti-personnel landmines that take away a foot from the cut of the shoe, and after all, the boot is lower, it is worth recalling that with crushing injuries from an explosion, ten centimeters of stump more or less does not matter much. These injuries do not reach the knee, and put a prosthesis in any case.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 23 February 2018 14: 52
        +5
        Quote: Arkady Gaidar
        2. It is much simpler and cheaper to manufacture. This means that the soldiers will not walk barefoot. They can be produced more by fully supplying the army.

        A dubious statement, because now there is a mass automated production, therefore there is no difference. Even more, the boot is inferior to the berets, since there will be more machine tools for the production of berets than boots, because these machines can produce more types of products. Therefore, in case of war, the berets can be produced more by placing an order in civilian factories.
        Quote: Arkady Gaidar
        3. The boot is taller than the boot. And so, it is better to protect eggs from bullets and fragments at the end, due to the density of the material.

        Again, it is doubtful, because the likelihood of hitting the legs is minimal (bullets and fragments), if we talk about cases when there was hitting the legs (below the knees), then it will mainly be mines, extensions and IEDs, and what kind of shoes do not care.
        1. Shura Sailors
          Shura Sailors 23 February 2018 15: 30
          +14
          I don’t know, he wore both berets and kirzachi. Regarding the convenience of socks in rain and mud - I agree with the author, in my subjective opinion, boots are unrivaled. But with regards to convenience - modern berets fix the ankle much better (with the ability to adjust the degree of fixation, which is practically impossible with boots).
          And if there is a choice of footcloths or socks - my choice of footcloths (even in berets)
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 24 February 2018 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: Shura of the sailors
            He wore both berets and kirzachi. Regarding the convenience of socks in rain and mud - I agree with the author, in my subjective opinion, boots are unrivaled. But with regards to convenience - modern berets fix the ankle much better

            I was always behind the boots, BUT .... One of the comrades cited the following information, according to which, if damaged by an anti-personnel mine, a pressure action: a boot - tearing a leg off the knee, boots - ankle damage, light shoes (sneakers) - foot damage ... .
            I have not personally verified how true this is, but there is logic in this.
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 24 February 2018 17: 10
              +1
              Quote: Serg Koma
              One of the comrades cited the following information, according to which, if damaged from an anti-personnel mine, a pressure action: a boot - tearing a leg off the knee, boots - ankle damage, light shoes (sneakers) - foot damage ....

              Crap. My friend blew up. Was in boots, traumatic amputation of the feet on the joints. Then one horseradish due to damage to the tissues of the lower legs of the stump turned out just below the knees.
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 25 February 2018 11: 17
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                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                Crap. My friend blew up. Was in boots

                Quote: Serg Koma
                I’ve not personally verified how true this is.

                Sorry - "for what I bought, for which I am selling."
                During the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940.
                V.Ya. Fridkin and N.I. Kozyrev gives the following statistics of mine explosive injuries among foot soldiers: in 44.6% of cases, detachments of segments of the lower extremities were noted (including in 17.0% at the tibia level), in 23.4%, open fractures of the foot bones, in 32%, closed injuries of the bones and soft tissues of the foot and lower leg. The emergence of the expressive, although far from the true characteristics of the mine-explosive injury, term “mine foot” is associated with this period.

                During World War II, wounds on anti-personnel mines accounted for 2.7% of all foot injuries. However, among the wounded in the foot, who were in specialized hospitals in Leningrad, there were 14.1% of them. During the war years, the proportion of severe foot injuries has more than doubled.

                In Afghanistan, mine blast injuries accounted for 82,7% of the total structure of sanitary losses.
                The main groups of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

                1. Separations and gunshot crushings of segments of limbs - 47%, among which the most frequently localized MVR was localized:

                - at the tibia level - 66,2%;

                - at the foot level - 20,4%,

                - at the hip level - 7,3%.

                - at various levels of the upper extremities, MVR amounted to 15,9%.


                Shoes for a given level of the damaging effect of explosion factors should not be considered as a screen, but as an object that increases the distance between a limb and a mine. The importance of the linear dimensions of the charge, the target being struck, and the distance between them allows us to explain why the same ammunition (100 g of explosives), powered by the same part of the foot (thumb), can cause damage of different severity to different individuals. With a relatively long foot (29 cm), it tears off at the Shoparov joint level, and with a relatively short foot (22 cm), the tibia is torn off in the lower third. With the explosion of identical mines, the defect in the bones of the individually short tibia is 40%, and relatively long - 25%. In case of detonations against the axis of the tibia (under the heel), a fragment of the tibia acts as a kind of dissector of the gas-dust jet, propagating from the epicenter of the explosion. A zone of severe concussion lesions is adjacent to the limb sites with signs of gas-dust tissue preparation along the entire length of the opened bone-fascial vessels (IIa level).
                1. karabas-barabas
                  karabas-barabas 1 March 2018 21: 38
                  0


                  The most comfortable boots for war in all respects, in my opinion, at the Bundeswehr mountain units, are some kind of sports berets. They are slightly shorter than usual and lighter, but perfectly fix the leg.
            2. adma
              adma 25 February 2018 13: 32
              0
              Quote: Serg Koma
              I have not personally verified how true this is, but there is logic in this.

              The shaft acts as a guide for the shock wave. And the shoe or berets tear the shoelaces.
            3. combat192
              combat192 26 February 2018 12: 25
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              Quote: Serg Koma
              separation of legs knee-deep, shoes - ankle damage, light shoes (sneakers) - foot damage ....

              Army horror story.
        2. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 23 February 2018 18: 44
          +8
          The main test, running 500 meters to kirzach, berets or slippers Adidas in combat conditions .. The most important indicator - for this is an attack, maneuver, retreat ... Whoever is faster will win. For everyday wear - the main convenience. hygiene .. Conclusion: combat shoes should be a mixture of sports slippers and protective boots .. Kirzachi, not leather boots, as expected, were in the SA from poverty and economy, Everyone who is richer from boots that have been kings for centuries in military affairs , already abandoned by the end of the 19th century .. Russia wasn’t so rich that they refused to use boots only by the end of the 20th century .. It’s ridiculous to talk about the use of boots when it’s time to produce 21 century shoes with a number of properties: lightness, comfort, hygiene, security, disguise and produce individually for each wearer of this shoe. Today’s technologies already allow this ... Outdated weapons, including shoes, although not very much, but all summarize it determines defeat ...
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 24 February 2018 13: 47
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir 5
            The main test, running 500 meters to kirzach, berets or slippers Adidas in combat conditions ..

            Well, go in slippers over the gravel, broken brick, plowed field, tall grass, soaked primer ...
            1. Barmal
              Barmal 27 February 2018 01: 11
              +1
              Add-through the swamps. We have many places with swampy soil. Especially in the offseason. So it turns out to be true - those who have dry legs will run faster.
              1. Peter Volkov
                Peter Volkov 9 November 2018 20: 37
                0
                Why in the swamp, why in the offseason? Run in the morning, in the morning, along the dew, and your sneakers will clatter from the dirt and in a week will be ordered to live long. They dismissed the army: if earlier an outfit for work could be raked for an unbuttoned button, today they are becoming operational in gym shoes. Sailed. There is nowhere else to go, then take off your epaulettes and swear allegiance to America, there you will be brought to life.
        3. Arkady Gaidar
          Arkady Gaidar 24 February 2018 13: 37
          +1
          Damned Pirate! Let's evaluate the dubious statements)) Any shoes are made according to forms and patterns. Look at the boot and realize that its patterns are easier. And the number of stitched units, and the variety of stitched bends. And this is the time of manufacture and, as the price is clear. The faster, the cheaper.
          Regarding the mass production of modern production, I considered the great war, which has been known since the Second World War. Civilian production, where military orders are placed, are also completely destroyed by aircraft, missiles and artillery. In order to create more problems for the enemy. And this means that during the great war there will remain semi-artisan production, or state factories located deep underground. There will be few, but a lot of work and orders. For this dog, remember that you will need such an additional element for shoes as laces. And this is another expense item.
          Now the second. The fact that the probability of hitting the legs below the knee is minimal does not mean that it is completely absent. The bullets and fragments at the end have a steep trajectory and will be strewed by soldiers lying somewhere on the ground, at a large angle of incidence. Naturally, the bootleg is a weak defense. But still better than just field pants. And about the wounds from getting about the explosion, I wrote above and therefore completely agree with your argument.
          Personally, I prefer berets, as they are more comfortable, lightweight and better keeping ankle from injuries. But I perfectly understand that for mass armies, boots are simpler, cheaper, and therefore more practical.
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 24 February 2018 18: 30
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            Quote: Arkady Gaidar
            But I perfectly understand that for mass armies, boots are simpler, cheaper, and therefore more practical.

            This was true earlier, when the share of manual labor in the cost of production was high. Now this share has fallen significantly, because the economic profit in the production of simpler boots has fallen. On the other hand, as a result of increasing the level of automation of production and the formation of a mass civilian market, the number and variety of shoe-making machines with lacing has increased, therefore, these shoes have become much cheaper than before (for example, during WWII, ХВ). As a result, we get either one machine for the production of boots or ten machines for the production of berets. So your statement about the greatest suitability of boots for a global war is false. Yes, and you forget another important nuance, why do not sell boots in civilian life? Yes, because even though they are cheaper, they cannot adapt to a specific foot, and as a result, where the berets need 10 models in shape and size, the boots need 50+. In the Soviet army (during the ХV), they didn’t give a damn about it and as a result the soldiers injured their legs because the shoes were not suitable for their legs.
          2. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 24 February 2018 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: Arkady Gaidar
            Civilian production, where military orders are placed, are also completely destroyed by aircraft, missiles and artillery. In order to create more problems for the enemy.

            This is no longer a problem.
            firstly, horseradish you will find all the shoe machines on the territory of the enemy, especially considering that they can be moved (due to container execution).
            secondly, even if the factories are destroyed it is easier and cheaper to buy civilian shoe-making machines with lacing than to create manual production of boots from scratch. For it is easier and cheaper to buy a machine than to train a master in the production of boots.
            1. Arkady Gaidar
              Arkady Gaidar 24 February 2018 20: 16
              0
              So a different approach to the problem became apparent. In local wars (between 2-3-states), the problems I have named are naturally false. That is why I above and designated the Second World War, when all, or at least most countries, are fighting. Then, just go shopping for shoe machines will not work. In addition, there will be more pressing supply problems than shoe machines.
              As far as I remember, in the USSR, Obuschiks were taught at SPTU for one year. And their education was much cheaper than a modern numerical control machine. And considering that power plants will also be destroyed in a global war, you begin to understand the Soviet generality, which clandestinely held onto boots with footcloths, gas-generating machines and steam locomotives. The economic calculations of civil time do not justify themselves during the global war.
              In the great war, it makes no sense to look for some separate machines and workshops for the production of clothes, shoes, medicines and food. In this case, carpet bombing was invented and worked out long ago when the whole city was burned out. Remember the bombing of Dresden, the cities of Vietnam. The only thing that remained intact was what went underground, had a local character and did not depend on central power supply.
              Your view of the future is understandable, but do not forget about the experience of the past. After all, this is the foundation. Well, let each of us remain with us))
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 24 February 2018 21: 51
                +1
                Quote: Arkady Gaidar
                As far as I remember, in the USSR, Obuschiks were taught at SPTU for one year. And their education was much cheaper than a modern numerical control machine.

                You are mistaken, your mistake is a misunderstanding of the purpose of the CNC machine. CNCs are needed not for automation, but for the "mobility of production for manufactured products." If mobility is not required, that is, you need to produce only one type of product without changing the production process, then non-CNC machines are used.
                Quote: Arkady Gaidar
                In the big war, it makes no sense to look for some separate machines and workshops for the production of clothes, shoes, medicines and food.

                In the big war for which you suggest preparing, both boots and berets will be useless, sandals and stone axes will be needed there.
                And think again about this
                which is more effective?
                1) one machine producing 10 boots per hour
                2) one machine producing 50 boots per hour
                3) 10 machines producing 5 berets per hour

                Answer: The third option is the most effective because it does not need to be reconfigured to produce a different shoe size.
                1. Arkady Gaidar
                  Arkady Gaidar 25 February 2018 00: 10
                  +1
                  I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryoma. And I’ll look, you’re just “cool” working on the theory of modern global shock. It’s already too late to start preparing for a global war, you need to be ready for it, for at least 50 years ago. And thank you for the explanations about changing shoes in sandals, without you we somehow could not have guessed. But my thoughts are sorted out, now yours. In the event of a new global war, there will be no high-performance CNC machines. The new types of Blitzkrieg are even more lightning fast and total. All large and medium-sized cities of Russia under the gun. According to the modern theory of global attack, the country subjected to it will lose up to 70% (!) Of its population and industrial facilities at once. Including all high-tech industries. And even if some CNC machines survive, there will be no one to service them. For one engineer is able to simultaneously service up to several dozen of such machines. And that means that due to the death of a dozen of these highbrow intellectuals, any major production will arise. Entrusting these machines to uneducated workers is tantamount to throwing them away immediately. If they don’t spoil, then they will definitely break something. The survival rate of those very highbrow people, for some reason, is an order of magnitude lower than that of workers and peasants. And after the first raid at the modern Blitzkrieg, additional reconnaissance will follow (today intelligence tools are very effective), revealing an organized life and a new blow. And so on until the patient is more likely to be dead than alive. After which there will be a ground invasion. That is, life in such a state as Russia will be preserved somewhere far from large cities, where they have never heard of CNC machines. But suppose the countries exchanged first blows and the enemies also suffered losses. Dale organized and continued resistance. And so the need arose for military shoes to supply the virtually recruited army. Today, Russia itself does not produce high-tech machines, they will need to be bought in neutral countries and delivered. But how, when Russia is surrounded by a network of hostile military bases ?! In the Northeast, Canada and the United States. In the East, Japan and South Korea (US satellites). In the Middle East, Greece, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. In Europe, the entire EU and the UK. Transport routes will be under constant artillery and bombing attacks.
                  In the generals army of the USSR and the Ministry of Industry, they were far from sitting. And they perfectly understood why boots with footcloths were kept for the soldiers, and as a transport gas-generating machines and steam locomotives (mainly for conservation). They well understood that the next World War would be for survival and that the main resource in it would be ordinary citizens trained in professions. And we have not yet remembered about the widely used explosive magnetic generators today. Which completely "kill" all electrical engineering.
                  Of course, progress must be moved forward. But it’s time to understand that in a big war there will be no high-tech equipment.
                  But I understood everything. You are absolutely right. High-tech shoes manufacturing machines - everything is ours wassat All the best!
                  1. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 25 February 2018 17: 11
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                    Quote: Arkady Gaidar
                    In the event of a new global war, there will be no high-performance CNC machines.

                    Mdaaaaa what hard case with our cow. I seem to have even explained, and you started talking about CNC again. Okay, I’ll repeat myself
                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    CNCs are needed not for automation, but for "mobility of production for manufactured products"

                    What is production mobility? - it is possible to quickly and cheaply reconfigure the technological process for the release of modified products. I repeat, once again the CNC is not to automate the production itself, but to automate (reduce the cost) of changing and / or creating it! In the event of a global war, production is set up once and it is not necessary to change it.

                    For example, take hydraulic rollers for bending shells during the construction of a wind turbine (for example, Enercon E-101), let's say you need 100 shells for one tower, since the tower is cone-shaped, each shell will have its own unique bending process, therefore you need to either buy and configure 100 "manual" machines or one with CNC and to it 100 programs are flexible metal. In the second case, mobility is used.

                    I understand that my words will not convince you anyway, therefore I propose to resolve the dispute by such methods, you google the production process of berets, and find a section of the technological process where IMPOSSIBLE do without CNC. hi
      2. would
        would 23 February 2018 16: 55
        +2
        2. Or maybe it’s just not worth it to allow wars where the losses will be so enormous that not only will all berets immediately end up, but you will also have to produce many millions of pairs of shoes? It’s all the same the defeat of the country and the nation.

        3. Incredibly specific case. In order for it to happen, exactly two factors would have to coincide: a bullet or a fragment fell directly into the place covered by the boot and at the same time their energy would be so small that it would not pierce the extremely unstable material of the boot. This happens to put it mildly, it is rare and much more effective to introduce ballistic protection for a soldier’s body that will stop a normal small fragment with normal energy, which is the main damaging factor in combined arms combat. This already exists and not only with us.
        1. Arkady Gaidar
          Arkady Gaidar 24 February 2018 20: 27
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          Wright! The third case is certainly specific. But it was immediately clear that a dispute would arise. Therefore, I postponed for the next discussion such an argument as stones falling from the sky after an explosion. Here the soldier lay down and showers him with earth and stones thrown by the explosion. And also with sticks, pieces of metal from torn equipment and other objects with sharp edges. And here you already understand that the bootlegs somehow protect your feet from cuts and injuries.
          1. would
            would 24 February 2018 20: 35
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            But it does not protect the rest of the body at all, and I would not say that there is a big difference where the splinter enters the thigh or lower leg or even the back. All this is equally unpleasant.

            Modern equipment will protect against stones, sticks and other non-penetrating things, and from what it will not protect, it will not protect the boot. Therefore, the current trend is full anti-fragmentation protection, the Americans have gone into fire resistance, including, writing that fire-resistant fabrics seriously reduce the severity of injuries when undermining an IED.
      3. Forestol
        Forestol 23 February 2018 18: 41
        +19
        Everything is much simpler and worse. A boot and a footcloth have the most important advantages: a footcloth is handed over to the laundry, where it is treated with boiling water and steam during washing. Killing the fungus of the legs, which is ubiquitous and which remains in the footcloth before washing. But a sock can never be saved from a fungus. Therefore, infection of the entire personnel of the unit is inevitable. The second one. Who wore footcloths remembers that bandaging his leg, the foot is tightly fixed in the footcloth. Thus, you can run an obstacle course and charge with all your dope with your foot. It looks like bandaging the hands in a box. And the sock ... just shit. Rear non-combatant rats do not understand the elementary.
        1. would
          would 24 February 2018 05: 14
          +2
          Killing the fungus of the legs, which is ubiquitous and which remains in the footcloth before washing. But a sock can never be saved from a fungus. Therefore, infection of the entire personnel of the unit is inevitable.


          One can only guess why this is a modern army where there are no footcloths for a long time, all tourists and geologists almost never meet with a fungus. Probably because the fungus does not appear from a certain infection, but from a violation of natural conditions and the creation of conditions for its growth ... no, bullshit. As well as the fact that each person has a fungus on their feet and to kill it, you need to boil their feet.

          And the sock ... just shit. Rear non-combatant rats do not understand the elementary.


          Damn special forces! They bought socks, non-fighting rats and walk in them in the North Caucasus and Syria! Not like those who walked the parade ground for 2 years lol
      4. Bad_santa
        Bad_santa 1 May 2018 14: 28
        0
        It is necessary to build on convenience and hygiene. Ankle boots are lighter and more comfortable, but their legs sweat harder. The boots are uncomfortable for running, but in terms of hygiene it is much simpler. In berets, legs get tired more quickly, because blood vessels partially squeeze lacing. I think the future belongs to the berets. Only not in modern design
    2. Pravodel
      Pravodel 23 February 2018 17: 37
      0
      In Afghanistan, according to the testimonies of the Afghans, when I detonated a mine in kirzach, I would tear off my leg for the most “I don’t want”, with an undermine in berets, I would tear my leg off my knee, and when it was detonated in sneakers, I would tear off my foot.
      So judge which is better. Do you want to lose your legs, wear krizachi, you want to leave your leg, wear sneakers.

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every patriot of Russia: a strong state, a united nation, a prosperous Fatherland that cannot be overcome by internal and external enemies.
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 23 February 2018 18: 44
        +2
        Sorry, nonsense. Boots in the mountains simply lost working on slings. Therefore, there were berets, like the airborne. Try to jump in boots with a parachute, 100% fly
        1. Dedall
          Dedall 23 February 2018 22: 47
          +3
          Ordinary boots will fly off, but the fact is that the Airborne Forces always had boots with a strap at the top. Tightened the strap and order.
      2. Arkady Gaidar
        Arkady Gaidar 24 February 2018 13: 48
        0
        The truth! And how does the state differ from the Fatherland? If the fatherland refers to the native land (region), then the state retreats to some distant plan. And, if the state is considered as a nationwide community, then the concept of a state nation must be added.
  2. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 23 February 2018 07: 07
    +11
    I agree with the author in everything. But here is my personal opinion. He wore both. I will say right away that in berets I was more comfortable. And now the reasoning. In disputes in favor of one or the other, the advantages of boots are said to be quite logical. But do not forget that extreme sock modes are extremely rare and probably 90% of the time these shoes are worn on a daily basis, wandering ankle-deep in water is not common. And one more question, if the boot and the footcloth are so good, why do I not see anyone in the streets? And the author is unlikely to write an article, winding up footcloths and putting on boots. I myself think that with many pluses of boots, in general (in the above privacy in everyday wear) - berets are more practical. And then it's a matter of personal preference
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 February 2018 07: 18
      +34
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      extreme sock patterns are extremely rare and probably 90% of the time these shoes are worn on a daily basis, ankle-wandering in water is not common.

      hence the conclusion: all kinds of shoes are needed depending on the situation and weather conditions.
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      And one more question, if the boot and the footcloth are so good, why do I not see anyone in the streets?

      well, they were just not looking there ... until recently, men used to wear in the villages, the thing is, in principle, comfortable - the foot turned damp up in the damp-footcloth raw, wound dry ... beauty, in the process, the top will dry out and you can repeat it so many times , which doesn’t work with a sock ... (from personal experience).
      1. Dr. Hub
        Dr. Hub 23 February 2018 07: 35
        +5
        Firstly. Until recently ... Secondly. Most of the time in shoes is spent on asphalt. And another moment - a wide drumstick, but torment boots from the inside to clean in the forest, or mountains. Unless it's a European forest. And I agree to the account of all shoes, only that we can look out the window, look at the thermometer, climb into the closet and choose shoes. There is no such diversity in the army, we have to conclude in favor of a universal
        1. alstr
          alstr 23 February 2018 09: 04
          +6
          It should be noted that their climate is much warmer and more warm than ours. Therefore, in most cases, boots are more convenient.
          Ideally, you need to have several pairs of shoes for different TVDs.
          1. Cetron
            Cetron 25 February 2018 00: 00
            +1
            I completely agree! The Americans in the Ardennes during WWII, when they had to sit in the trenches (a walk through the geyrope to Berlin was temporarily covered), nearly half of the losses were injured (sick and injured) from the shoes, their feet got wet and got frostbite even at freezing temperature, not to mention simply sick (colds, etc., etc.). The bulk of the German infantryman was also in boots and had no such problems.
            1. Poppy
              Poppy 26 February 2018 14: 40
              0
              By the end of the 44th and in the 45th (when the events in the Ardennes took place) the German infantryman was no longer in boots, but in boots (of the type shown in the first illustration) with tarpaulin gaiters, and under them were special trousers

              Here is the picture


              They remained, of course, in boots, but were already in large numbers in boots.
        2. Victor Red
          Victor Red 23 February 2018 16: 02
          +4
          He served in units with a lot of alarms. They were on any day of the week, at any time of the day and more than once. Now, on citizens, in everyday life I prefer to wear berets. But sometimes I pretend to be lacing them, and then I could, during a night's alarm, having instead of boots boots also quickly put on my shoes and run at a sprint speed to run several hundred meters to positions. The answer is clear: no. Of course, you can cite many examples in favor of boots, but again, in everyday life I prefer berets.
          Answering your question I will answer with a question. How many people, in ordinary life, go in military uniforms or or its elements.
          I think that many more copies will be broken due to the preference of boots or boots. But there are such concepts as fashion and military fashion. And as history shows, military fashion is not always reasonable. Recall the times of Catherine the Great. Then it was developed comfortable, practical and quite beautiful. But since it did not comply with European standards, Paul I abolished it.
          Well, the trend is now shoes.
      2. region58
        region58 23 February 2018 11: 16
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        in the villages, until recently, men wore

        So they still wear it, and not only in the village ... Earthworks, spring-autumn, rain ... in general, where the mud is the most.
        1. 73petia
          73petia 23 February 2018 16: 02
          +10
          There are no real canvas boots now. Real tarpaulin, should be on brass nails. With a thick leather insole (in which the tips of the nails are bent and held). And the nails themselves “stick” to the sole rubber (the sulfur of the rubber reacts with the brass copper), and they are held in it even if the hats are worn off. Now tarpaulin boots on iron nails, and on glue. Fall apart after 3-4 months of normal wear. Therefore, they are not in the villages, unreliable.
          1. Dedall
            Dedall 23 February 2018 23: 15
            +5
            One day a young man with 47 feet size came to my unit. And then we had shoemakers in our material support company (RMO). I came there with a soldier and he made new boots of the right size from the blanks in just an hour and a half. And during this process with a well-considered device of the sole. So, a feature of tarpaulin boots of that time, except for copper nails, was a wooden base. Something like plywood. Here, nails from the sole side were hammered into it, and then they were bent by a hook with the help of a “paw”. During wear, the wooden base swelled and held the nails tight. By the way, in the possibility of self-production of boots with a sewing machine and press lies the reason for the popularity of boots. But as for the berets, the case of an atypical soldier was recently repeated and he was allowed to wear Salamander shoes.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 February 2018 07: 43
      +9
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      I agree with the author in everything.

      But I'm not in everything. Ankle fixation in berets is still better. And this is a decisive moment for the Airborne Forces. For the rest of the troops, boots are of course better and more practical. And of course footcloths. hi
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 23 February 2018 08: 51
        +11
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Ankle fixation in berets is still better.

        Refinement is better than a canvas boot.
        -------------------
        Lich experience. Comparison
        After the habit of the Taman yuft boot, the kirzachi gave the feeling that the foot was barefoot. That the ankles and lower leg are generally bare.
        The yuft boot fixes the ankle better than anything else. In addition - it thoroughly protects from any bumps and ankles and lower legs .. and feet.
        -------------
        Cons of yuft boots. -
        Very hard rubbing to the foot. Especially in the cold. So .. it is better to be invoked in the spring, to get used to the boots on the "soft".
        Too heavy. .. heavy .. But the doors are knocked out at a time. -))
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 23 February 2018 10: 14
          +4
          I support, after yuft, in tarpaulin boots there was a feeling that barefoot.
        2. shuravi
          shuravi 23 February 2018 12: 33
          +8
          Quote: ammunition

          Cons of yuft boots. -
          Very hard rubbing to the foot. Especially in the cold. So .. it is better to be invoked in the spring, to get used to the boots on the "soft".
          Too heavy. .. heavy .. But the doors are knocked out at a time. -))


          I do not know. Four years in yuft boots and only one minus. At + 30 and above, it is hot in them.
          But what a chic accordion on them could be built. wink

      2. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 23 February 2018 22: 27
        +1
        Ankle fixation is significantly better in boots. In addition, they are made different in weight in relation to the conditions. It’s more convenient to walk in berets. Good berets do not rub. And footcloths or socks is a question generally speaking in no way connected. Footcloths can be worn in berets as well as socks in boots. And socks in the same way can be processed with steam and heat against fungus
        It is not clear what the difference is.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 23 February 2018 09: 32
      +11
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      If the boots and footcloth are so good, why do I not see anyone in the streets?

      Yes, because military boots (all-leather - soap, yuft or, more simply, with a boot from the tarpaulin - “kirzachi”) are not shoes for the street, but field shoes for war, for difficult conditions, you know. lol
      In principle, a footcloth can also be worn in berets, if you take them one size larger, because the advantages of boots are the absence of laces and socks, as vulnerable elements in difficult military conditions.
      Is it possible to compare the absorption capacity., Strength, the ability to rewind the dry part to the leg with a strip of natural fabric 45 * 90 cm and any sock?
      And in everyday life you should wear mainly shoes and socks yes , and boots with footcloths or berets only for training.
    4. Fox
      Fox 23 February 2018 09: 50
      +11
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      And one more question, if the boot and the footcloth are so good, why do I not see anyone in the streets?

      according to this logic, the most pepper boots, stiletto heels ... or in the summer of Louboutin.
    5. mmaxx
      mmaxx 23 February 2018 11: 58
      +25
      The big plus of the boots + footcloth system is that they can not be removed for days. If you are wearing socks and boots, your legs will rot at once. In war, this is important. It is enough to attend the exercises for three days. And here the question is not in the boot, but in the sock. These are some things related to air exchange in shoes. They do not wear footcloths in the civilian world because it is more practical. And socks can always be changed. And there is no need to wear boots constantly. As soon as you get into our nature, immediately in any boots and footcloths you get a decisive advantage. We even have some tourists move away from the most branded shoes. Dirt, dampness and the inability to dry shoes and have many socks do their job. Rubber boots + footcloths are better. There is one obstacle: there is no way to get used to footcloths (you need to be able to wind them), some have been taught by the army.
      Personally, the ability to wear footcloths helps me out. And it is always better than socks, at least for me personally. I have a choice.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 23 February 2018 14: 32
        +5
        Rubber boots + footcloths are better.

        I agree with your comment, except for this paragraph. Rubber boots should not be worn constantly, fraught with health (from practice).
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 26 February 2018 12: 22
          0
          In rubber goes turrier. They are not soldiers, they can take off their boots. But where it is necessary to rush on the wet grass or snow, the gum rule)). You can tolerate. They are not for 2 years.
    6. Forestol
      Forestol 23 February 2018 18: 46
      +3
      The fungus passing through the socks mows units in a week. All the comforts of socks end at home with mom. Try to go through at least one march with the fungus .....
      1. Severok
        Severok 24 February 2018 20: 32
        +6
        I will contribute to the discussion:
        Kirzachi wore TWO years, I still wear berets to this day, they are very different, therefore I can judge.
        A boot with a footcloth on alarm puts on instantly, which is important in any theater of the VD. Further, who needs to fix the ankle, he most likely has weak legs, which is easily eliminated in winter by ski training and an ice skating rink, and in summer by cross-country crosses. The production of boots is simpler and cheaper by an order of magnitude, no matter who bucks about automation, which most likely will not become during the period of VD in the country.

        Bertsa. Our rear rats cannot make a normal boot, not getting wet, breathing, allowing you to feel confident on any surface, allowing you to move freely and durable. All berets, from those in warehouses to those purchased for 5 or more tr, equally ROT in one season. Why: there’s nowhere to dry them in the field; they are worn around the clock, removed only for 8-10 hours of rest; the same berets are worn both in winter and in summer, with rare exceptions in the staff rat. Such rot was not observed with boots, because when getting wet rewind footcloths and all. You don’t get enough socks for berets - for three to four days of work on the street, five to eight pairs in the trash.

        I have the honor.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 February 2018 07: 36
    +7
    He wore both. It is safer to work in boots. Shin is better protected. In berets along the intersection and in the mountains it is more convenient, because of the good sole. Boots - obviously cheaper, and in a mass army and total war - will have no alternative. In the meantime, the army “berets” of the Warrior are good.
    1. Shu Dae
      Shu Dae 24 February 2018 21: 14
      0
      I was surprised that during the service they killed me in 3 months, the sole burst, the colleagues didn’t go too long, their feet were wet in the rain, they tried to get old leather berets. For 10 cans of condensed milk from a soldier in the warehouse, the officers' trousers bought a copy of the Bundeswehr BW 2005, virgin and until the end of the service took place in them. I recall the summer berets of a new sample with sadness and a swear word.
  4. igordok
    igordok 23 February 2018 07: 41
    +7
    Further, the US won the Cold War, ...

    Since the Cold War continues, it means that none of the parties to victory has not reached.
    1. ares1988
      ares1988 23 February 2018 10: 36
      +8
      Well, it's rather the second cold one. And in the first we lost, alas - be able to recognize the obvious.
      1. igordok
        igordok 23 February 2018 13: 16
        +4
        The cold war goes on without interruptions. We were defeated, but not a loss. These are often different things.
      2. 73petia
        73petia 23 February 2018 16: 21
        +7
        We did not lose. We gave up.
        1. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET 23 February 2018 22: 31
          +2
          The USSR lost in the US Cold War, and fell into 15 "independent" states
          Now there is a Cold War -2 between the USA and the Russian Federation. Finish off. Impressive successes over 27 years
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 February 2018 02: 14
      0
      Socialism has one significant drawback.

      Since there is no competition and due to this there is a free exchange of information, equal rights are obtained between all subjects of society.

      And if so, it is difficult to find the right leader. With problem leaders.
      Impostors often creep into the leaders.
      Which sold the country for the Shnobel lemon.

      Boots, this is a stone age.

      Socks are not erased, but thrown out. The boots are heavy and get wet faster than the footcloths dry.

      Ankle boots with zippers and lacing.

      In short all the holiday.
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 23 February 2018 07: 43
    +26
    Of course, I went to PPD in berets, in a field camp, too. But when the teachings began directly or with a long stay "in nature" smile preferred kirzachi. For this purpose, two pairs (one leg and one size + for the cold) and ten pairs of footcloths were specially stored in the kung. It was more convenient, hygienic to me in them, and it’s just when it is possible to take off easier, give my feet rest and also quickly get dressed .. Although many neighing ... The brigade saw once, so I almost fell into the sediment. But I relied on the post a lot of movement - and therefore did not pay attention to the jokes laughing To the author + for raising an important topic. Shoes in military affairs, in my opinion, is the third most important for the military basis of life, after nutrition and discipline
    1. Dr. Hub
      Dr. Hub 23 February 2018 07: 49
      +10
      It's great when there is a kung, there are two pairs of boots and a bunch of footcloths. Only not every fighter has such happiness)))) this is not a reproach to the author of the comment.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 23 February 2018 08: 03
        +12
        A platoon with three cars in a platoon has some advantages laughing There were plenty of clean, dry footcloths for the fighters. And when in one of the cars there is also 220 with the ability to dry the kettle and finally a thing! I agree not everyone is so happy in the fields ... soldier
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 23 February 2018 08: 03
    +11
    He also wore both types of shoes, the use of boots - mountains and rugged terrain. But along the dew in them walk pure grief, "break through" at a time. And all bad stuff sticks to shoelaces like burdock seeds, of which there are many in our area.
    Boots are a more universal thing, but you don’t really run through the mountains in them; these shoes are more likely for the plains and marshy areas. And yes, a well-polished boot does not let water pass, we had fun in this way - we cleaned it and went deeper into the puddle: we did not get wet until we poured over the top
    1. Dr. Hub
      Dr. Hub 23 February 2018 08: 12
      +4
      Muck sticks to the laces, but it doesn’t get inside the boot, and be healthy.
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 23 February 2018 08: 23
        +11
        Quote: Dr. Hub
        Muck sticks to the laces, but it doesn’t get inside the boot, and be healthy.

        It is typed in the boot only if the boot is not sized to fit. If the boot is well matched or fitted by the shoemaker, then the bootleg fits the leg tightly and doesn’t allow to “pick up” anything. Well, in addition, there are many models of boots with pulls on the top.
        1. Dr. Hub
          Dr. Hub 24 February 2018 10: 07
          +2
          Well, you yourself are not funny? A soldier’s boot is fitted by a shoemaker. Have you seen this? Me not. And the conversation is not for a lot of options, but for ordinary canvas tarpaulin boots
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 24 February 2018 12: 55
            +6
            Quote: Dr. Hub
            Well, you yourself are not funny? A soldier’s boot is fitted by a shoemaker. Have you seen this? Me not.

            In the forest, near the camp kitchen,
            As if forgetting the war
            Army cobbler cold
            Sits at work on a stump.

            Sits without a belt, without a cap
            Wielding sweat.
            Kneeling - a boot on a block,
            The other is on the soldier’s foot.
            And nurses and treats a shoemaker
            A boot that is so stained
            The unthinkable dirt of the road
            Trench, swamp, forest, -
            Do not take it, it seems, in your hands,
            And the doctor doesn’t care,
            Rides according to science
            Yes, he moves his shoulder famously.

            Yes, squinting is important and gloomy,
            As a person who knows his value.
            And with a dashing important stub
            Hanging on his lip.

            All right, counting moves,
            Blow - where is this, where is this.
            And the fighter is watching at work
            With one swollen leg.

            He wants it to be better.
            It’s worked out in order.
            And soon he will receive a boot,
            And stomp back, soldier.

            Who knows - a state horseshoe,
            Padded in shape to the bottom,
            Get him to Sychevka,
            Or maybe to the old borders.

            And maybe a similar thought
            He is busy, but maybe not.
            And it smells of marching kitchen
            As in peacetime, lunch.

            And to the side echoing, not longer
            Pylby - flight, underfloor -
            Slowly and as if commendable
            Shoemaker nods:
            - Gives?
            - Gives, - responds sensibly
            Fighter. And does not look. War.
            Left war and right
            War across the whole power
            It’s not a novelty for a long time.

            At the Volga, at rivers and rivulets,
            On the mountain coastal roads
            At the northern coniferous edges
            Pressed by the wheels of guns
            Millions of dirty boots.
            Nalomano has so much iron
            Spoiled so much land
            And there are so many felled forests
            As if centuries have passed.
            And how much shelter is destroyed,
            Ruined life itself.
            Other - both alive and healthy -
            Where will he get home
            Will the window find a native,
            Where to knock at night?
            All ashes, all ashes,
            Little son is sitting an orphan
            With a German harmonica
            On someone's cold stove.
            Ponica the crane at the well,
            And no one to carry water.
            And what else will have to meet -
            Itself will not pass, it will not be erased, -
            For all this, you need to ask ...
            They got up, both serious.
            - Smoke.
            - Come on, I’ll smoke it.
            - Great thing, brother, shoes.
            - Be quiet, I say that.
            The conversation is on, not the conversation,
            They stand smoking together.
            “Walk, brother, now to victory.”
            Not enough - still a likeness.
            - Thank you .- And as if to a friend,
            Who accompanied him
            Comrade fellow hand
            Suddenly and firmly shook.
            Good hour. What will be will be.
            It happened! Do not get used to it! ..
            Native great people
            Russia, darling mother.

            A. Twardowski
    2. ammunition
      ammunition 23 February 2018 08: 27
      +8
      Quote: inkass_98
      but you don’t really run around the mountains in them,

      lol Um ..
      Duc! Do not go to a foreign legion .-))
      From St. Petersburg to Yekaterinburg. From Arkhangelsk to Odessa and Astrakhan - there is not a single mountain !!
      1. Fox
        Fox 23 February 2018 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: ammunition
        From St. Petersburg to Yekaterinburg. From Arkhangelsk to Odessa and Astrakhan - there is not a single mountain !!

        offend brother! and the Zhiguli mountains ?!
      2. Dr. Hub
        Dr. Hub 24 February 2018 10: 08
        +1
        And beyond Yekaterinburg is not Russia?
    3. avt
      avt 23 February 2018 15: 33
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      And yes, a well-polished boot does not let water pass, we had fun in this way - we cleaned it and went deeper into the puddle: we did not get wet until we poured over the top

      And here it begins, feel the difference. Between the water in the boot and boot. And purely psychologically, in the boot, hell alone to draw water, and in the boot the thought creeps in the campaign - ,, Maybe somewhere smaller nearby? bully The boot is really simple and practical for mass use, especially the tarpaulin. But like boots, not even berets with protection in the form of gaiters, or gaiters, it’s more comfortable to wear it. Well, winter is of course a separate issue.
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 23 February 2018 19: 23
        +7
        Quote: avt
        But like boots, not even berets with protection in the form of gaiters, or gaiters, it’s more comfortable to wear it. Well, winter is of course a separate issue.


        Grandfather is boiling:
        - Let me, comrade.
        What do you praise me for boots?
        Allow me to report.
        Are good Where to dry?
        ***
        Do not dry them in the dugout,
        No, give me your boot
        Yes cloth footcloths
        Give me - then I am a god!
        *******
        winked Twardowski. ..
        Not shuhra - muhra. wink
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 24 February 2018 22: 25
        0
        The French infantry began the war, not only in blue coats and red pants that were noticeable from afar, but also in very curious shoes. An infantryman of the Third Republic wore leather shoes of the 1912 model - exactly the same as modern model men's shoes, only the whole sole was riveted with 88 iron nails with a wide hat.
        From the ankle to the middle of the calf, the leg of the French soldier was protected by patch leather “leggings of the 1913 design of the year”, fixed with a leather cord. The outbreak of war quickly showed the shortcomings of such shoes - the army shoe of the “1912 model of the year” had an unsuccessful cut in the lacing area that easily let in water, and the “leggings” not only spent their expensive skin during war, but they were uncomfortable to wear and rub their calves while walking .

        Clearly technology has stepped far ...
  7. ammunition
    ammunition 23 February 2018 08: 13
    +8
    Yuft, Taman (guards) boots. After them, the kirzachs seem to be sandals on the foot .-)) The foot is better protected than any other shoes. Officers usually preferred soldier's boots over field officers.
    -----------------
    Another thing is that such shoes are heavy. Like a tank-) For armored infantry shoes. -)
    But now they are no longer doing such things. sad The secret of their manufacture has disappeared, along with the USSR.
  8. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 23 February 2018 08: 16
    +4
    The boots are good in certain conditions, but whatever you say, this is atavism and they won’t return unless a global war with millions of armies begins.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 February 2018 10: 00
      +13
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      Boots are good in certain conditions

      In winter, spring and autumn 8))) In summer, berets, if it does not rain. True, in the summer it is hot, and it is better to follow the Sino-Vietnamese experience, half-sneakers 8)))

      In real life, berets are good only on the parade ground. In the fields ... By seasons: Felt boots (felt boots, high boots), yuft boots, rubber boots, half-sneakers. And so in a circle.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 23 February 2018 12: 04
        +7
        Quote: Spade
        By seasons: Felt boots (felt boots, high boots), yuft boots, rubber boots, half-sneakers.

        one of the serious problems of shoes in the army is not the shoes themselves but the health of the soldier’s legs. in closed and dark rubber shoes, soldiers often bring their feet to a deplorable state. fungal disease.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 23 February 2018 12: 09
          +10
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          and the health of the soldier’s legs. in closed and dark rubber shoes, soldiers often bring their feet to a deplorable state.

          What to do, what to do ... Rubber boots are indispensable. Well, or without their "advanced" counterpart.

          In fact, as the Afghan one was a "war of sneakers," so the Chechen one is a "war of rubber boots"
        2. Dedall
          Dedall 23 February 2018 23: 46
          +9
          He wore kirzachi in Turkmenistan. True, even in the summer with winter bike shoes. No fungi if you wash your footcloths every day or at least dry them well. Once in the desert without washing, I dragged them to the exercises for three weeks. And if it was already hot, then my colleagues threw swabs with Formidron solution inside.
          But now our soldiers wear socks and in the absence of hot water they cannot wash normally. Therefore, more fungus. I affirm this as a doctor of a military unit. And also there were many so-called "ingrown nails." This is when inflammation occurs on the first 1 toes around the nail plates. And I think this is connected with the desire of designers to give berets a beautiful shape of a sock. As a result, foot tissues are strongly compressed. Such a “kirzach” with its wide and round toe did not have.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 February 2018 10: 01
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      Boots are good in certain conditions

      In winter, spring and autumn 8))) In the summer, if it does not rain. True, in the summer it’s hot in berets, and it is better to follow the Sino-Vietnamese experience - half-sneakers 8)))

      In real life, berets are good only on the parade ground. In the fields ... By seasons: Felt boots (felt boots, high boots), yuft boots, rubber boots, half-sneakers. And so in a circle.
  9. Vard
    Vard 23 February 2018 08: 20
    +2
    Who tried to wear chunky ... This is a song ...
  10. baudolino
    baudolino 23 February 2018 08: 31
    +6
    The tarpaulin boot was created with the aim of shodding a millionth army faster and cheaper. But the Americans never had such a task. There, private suppliers have always balanced on the verge of price-quality.
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 23 February 2018 19: 28
      +2
      I support you - indeed, America can afford the mass, unlimited production of socks and shoelaces. Russia is a completely different country, we always have eternal problems, but if there is a war, then there will immediately be a shortage of socks and shoelaces and what then? Both tend to wear out quickly. Needs will increase enormously! Will the country during the war be able to provide the right amount of these shoelaces and socks? Or will the fighters have to run barefoot? The problems of wearing berets in peacetime are different from the problems of wartime ....
      1. Vard
        Vard 24 February 2018 09: 13
        +1
        Now the children of friends are leaving for the army ... I'll tell them right away ... Look for meter thick black shoelaces ... In the army this is a shortage ...
  11. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 23 February 2018 08: 56
    +2
    On the issue of trekking shoes. For some time he wore the Caterpillar, but refused for a reason: they don’t keep water from the word “completely”, even in urban conditions.
    He wore only boots in the army; he completely ruined his legs.
    Question to all participants. Why are laces traditionally used on berets, was there really no development using other fixing elements?
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 23 February 2018 09: 12
      +11
      If a lace breaks, it’s easy for them to find a temporary replacement from any strings, wire, or even woven strips of any fabric .. With Velcro, fasteners are more difficult ..
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 23 February 2018 10: 14
        +5
        It is difficult to disagree with this argument.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 23 February 2018 10: 18
          +4
          Well, plus the lace itself for a long time is “quickly repairable” and with laces, or rather by tightening it, it is best to adjust the boot by lifting
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 23 February 2018 15: 13
            +1
            in fact, they are good, as they fix the ankle. What is extremely important in the rugged terrain (mountains, cities and terrain with obstacles).
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 February 2018 09: 44
      +6
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      He wore only boots in the army; he completely ruined his legs.

      If you regularly wash your feet and change (wash) footcloths - no problem. hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 23 February 2018 10: 10
        +3
        Washing your feet is not the prevention of dry corns. And in general, an orderly army life is not about the air defense troops of the sample of the early 90s.
    3. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 23 February 2018 12: 06
      +5
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Why are laces traditionally used on berets, was there really no development using other fixing elements?


      when a doctor is injured in the legs, it is easy to cut the shoelaces with scissors and free the leg without additional injury. nothing but nice.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 February 2018 12: 11
        +11
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        it’s easy for a doctor to cut the shoelaces with scissors and free his leg without adding extra injury.

        The boot of the kirzach is even easier to cut.
        Shoelaces are evil. From it is necessary to clean under some valve.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 23 February 2018 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          Shoelaces are evil. From it is necessary to clean under some valve.


          it was so customary with us. convenient and fast.
          node at the end of the video
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 23 February 2018 13: 11
            +2
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            it was so customary with us. convenient and fast.

            And what then is the point in berets if they do not fix the ankle?
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 23 February 2018 13: 31
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              And what then is the point in berets if they do not fix the ankle?


              I have often seen soldiers dislocate a leg in a fully laced boot, especially if they were loaded. berets are not a guarantee against this.
              pebbles do not fall into the boot and thanks for that already
              1. would
                would 23 February 2018 16: 29
                +2
                Not a guarantee, but rigid fixation will definitely reduce the severity of the injury and prevent the ankle from being completely dislocated.
                1. ammunition
                  ammunition 23 February 2018 19: 13
                  +5
                  Quote: rait
                  Not a guarantee, but rigid fixation will definitely reduce the severity of the injury


                  Experience.
                  A motorized rifle company in the toughest training mode. Shoes - yuft boots.
                  For a year of observation, not a single case of even a sprain, not like a dislocation.
                  And to dislocate a leg was where! .. One jump ( at night ! ) with BTEr, on the go
                  .. times a hundred. The speed of the BTEr is about 20 km \ h. Dark - do not see your hands under your nose. And down there, which is just not there .. all sorts of trenches, bumps, pits and other pieces of iron. Besides! Each soldier has a full load. That's all, plus cartridges .. total kilogram 33-34. Well and so on and so forth.
                  --------------
                  Long live the yuft boot !!
                  1. would
                    would 24 February 2018 05: 18
                    +1
                    Recalling the experience: Cases of sprains during jumping in boots have been more than once, not two, not three. Met and natural dislocations including those requiring surgical treatment. In tightly stretched berets, only as an exception, dislocations requiring surgical treatment were not met. As well as cases of fatigue fractures of the foot after training on the parade ground in boots, one guy broke both feet at once and only thanks to the smart surgeon was not chained in two plaster boots this time. Many people don’t know at all that the sole is important, and if it’s bad as on a kirzach, then after intensive marching you’ll not just don’t put on your boots, but you won’t even be able to walk.

                    The observation period is about 10 years; subsequently, the boots disappeared, including from the army. An experience.
                    1. would
                      would 24 February 2018 05: 30
                      0
                      Recalling the experience: Cases of sprains during jumping in boots have been more than once, not two, not three. Met and natural dislocations including those requiring surgical treatment.


                      That is why all smart guys, all old-timers in exercises requiring great mobility to avoid injuries fixed their boots with two straps. One on the boot, the second on the foot, of course on top of the boot. And so they ran. But I don’t remember such injuries of the ankle. After entering the tibia, of course, this practice lost its meaning.
          2. justas-xnumx
            justas-xnumx 23 February 2018 20: 05
            0
            Video with lacing - almost two (TWO) minutes, and try to carry out the same lacing process in 7 (seven) seconds for TWO shoes - it will not work, but for boots - please. Somehow, by "urgency" I was lucky to get a REAL "kirsu", i.e. the boot, except for the rubber sole, was all made of tarpaulin, it was light, it didn’t get wet, it didn’t change shape either from water or from frost, it wore quickly in the foot, there were no scuffs, unfortunately, the company officer didn’t allow them to curl up, for half a year even the heel is not erased!
      2. Dedall
        Dedall 23 February 2018 23: 59
        +5
        Maki Avellevich, let me disagree with you. I have 20 years of experience in military service as a doctor and I can say that the boot of the tarpaulin boot is easier to cut with a simple knife, or rather, a “garden knife curved,” which is supposed to be included in the set for the “Military Medical Bag”. But berets are made of much thicker skin, and cutting the laces does not make removal easier.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 1 March 2018 05: 50
          0
          Alex, welcome hi So you would suggest that your opponent watch this episode.
  12. kvs207
    kvs207 23 February 2018 09: 26
    +6
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Why are laces traditionally used on berets, was there really no development using other fixing elements?

    And what is the alternative? Lightning? If it breaks, then everything - to throw it away. Lack of lacing? So these are boots)))
    Boots, you are cool, subject to certain conditions. For 2 years urgent, only positive feelings, though he served in central Russia. Yes, now I wear lace-up boots, but it was about the army.
  13. bistrov.
    bistrov. 23 February 2018 09: 55
    +8
    I don’t argue that boots are better on the asphalt, on the parade ground, in the barracks. But try to live in these boots for a couple of days in a wet forest, or walk 10 kilometers on a snow-water porridge. You will not wish the enemy. And the best shoes for these conditions are a yuft boot with micropores. Exceptionally holds water. They began to be issued in the late 70s. Before that, they were on a thick leather sole, on the asphalt, the sole was quickly worn out, and had to be knocked out. Personally, I was knocked out with kogemite, it is less susceptible to abrasion .. The chrome boot is hygienic, sits neatly on the leg, is lightweight, but it is no longer relevant. Now, with everyday wear, it looks like an anachronism.

    All the same, I would leave the yuft boot along with the high berets boot in armament and would use it selectively.

    Many forget that in the last war half of our army wore boots, winding, at the same time, the longest windings. And nothing, won.
    1. justas-xnumx
      justas-xnumx 23 February 2018 20: 08
      +3
      But, at the same time, they tried to exchange shoes with windings for boots - a neighbor said, he served as the foreman of the company.
  14. vvvjak
    vvvjak 23 February 2018 10: 28
    +6
    He also wore both in the army. To me, kirsa is better than berets (if you handle the partials correctly). One time I was traveling on a train with a border guard as a conscript in the same reserved seat. In his opinion, in berets 15 km. going out a day is very problematic, almost impossible. They had the whole outpost going to the kirsa, it’s a little difficult at first, but after a couple of months of service the sole is rubbed in and the boots become more pleasant than the barracks slippers.
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 23 February 2018 22: 44
      0
      During the day of hunting I walk in berets 20-25 km through the forest, so there’s no need to invent
  15. Curious
    Curious 23 February 2018 10: 57
    +3
    Frankly, I did not understand the meaning of the article. If the author tried to conduct some kind of historical excursion, then he did not succeed. A discussion of the merits of tarpaulin boots in some other aspect than the historical one, in the XNUMXst century, still looks somewhat wild.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 23 February 2018 13: 17
      +1
      I agree 100%! The nature of military operations, the methods of their conduct, weapons have changed ... After all, it does not occur to anyone to discuss the merits of cuirasses over chain mail in modern combat.
  16. Micfoster
    Micfoster 23 February 2018 11: 32
    +14
    Quote: Dr. Hub
    And one more question, if the boot and the footcloth are so good, why do I not see anyone in the streets?

    Until the late nineties he worked at a construction site. ALL of our builders walked in a tarp, from masons to crane operators. My ancestors miners also went only in kirsa. They taught me how to handle footcloths, for two years of service not a single callus. I think kirsa is shoes for business, and not for beauty. Therefore, they are not on the streets.
  17. Conserp
    Conserp 23 February 2018 11: 34
    +5
    Whoever hasn’t yet read an article about Veremeev about boots is a recommendation to read.

    Let's look at the peasants in the village, geologists strolling through forests and scales, oil workers fussing around their towers, builders. What's on their feet? Right, boots. And what is worn on the feet of a fisherman, hunter, mushroom picker? Including from among the new Russians? Right, boots. And what do you wear when driving to your dacha in wet weather? Shoes, sneakers? The bald trait! Rubber boots!

    Say, this is supposedly purely from dirt, damp, etc. But what, is a soldier fighting on asphalt or parquet?

    Stop, stop, stop. We look at our lovely ladies in winter or autumn in the city on the pavement. What is put on their graceful legs?

    Boots!

    What shoes cost the American army in December 44 - January 45 is well described in the book of memoirs of the American General O. Bradley "The History of the Soldier":

    To top it all - as if fighting losses alone were not enough - about 12 thousand people fell ill with rheumatism of their legs and also failed.



    http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/sapogi.shtml

    Another thing is that ordinary kirzachi are a little outdated.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 February 2018 12: 12
      +5
      Quote: Conserp
      about 12 thousand people fell ill with rheumatism of their legs and also failed.

      There, in fact, everything was much worse. Not “rheumatism” but “trench foot”
      1. justas-xnumx
        justas-xnumx 23 February 2018 20: 11
        +3
        As well as frostbite and other "charms"
  18. Tamagon
    Tamagon 23 February 2018 11: 46
    +2
    I do not understand, but that the option of berets + footcloths is not considered? He wore both in the army! We were not given socks. Bertsa with footcloths are well worn, while footcloths do not unwind. Whoever likes to wear boots, let them wear it to their health. Build a soldier and give them a choice, boots or berets? I doubt that there will be at least one in the company who agreed to wear boots! Moreover, a soldier who served half a year and did not get his berets, was looked at in our unit as a flawed nerd!
    And even in the grass along the dew, the boots will not save you if the boots are not swamps. Water on the fabric of the pants will be all inside the boots!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 February 2018 12: 14
      +7
      Quote: Tamagon
      Build a soldier and give them a choice, boots or berets? I doubt that there will be at least one in the company who agreed to wear boots!

      This is in the PDP.
      Well, in real combat, everything turns out to be much, much more complicated.
    2. Nikolay R-PM
      Nikolay R-PM 23 February 2018 12: 41
      +3
      The same situation with berets and footcloths. The footcloths were abolished 3-4 months before the transfer to the reserve and socks were issued. But still, many in the unit saved a couple or two of “porthos” and wore them. Socks for drill reviews only.
      There were guys who “squeaked” on the kirsa, but both guys and commanders were being torn for it.
      According to the experience of service av. mechanically, berets are generally convenient when working on board, but got wet during the off-season during clearing of parking from wet snow, and were very slippery during frosts and in winter, but it saved that in winter, berets were worn only for divorce and for the rest of the boots.
  19. pytar
    pytar 23 February 2018 11: 48
    +8
    Author Dmitry Verkhoturov expressed a logical and not intrusive personal position! All they said, sound convincing! Thanks for the interesting article! good
    1. tasha
      tasha 25 February 2018 07: 53
      0
      I do not agree. How to understand
      The position of those who zealously (and, I emphasize, without rational arguments) is defended by the berets, I evaluate so that they just want to be at least in some way on the strong side.

      Much more interesting would be a historical article about military shoes in general. A discussion about the benefits of one kind or another would arise by itself. wink
  20. polpot
    polpot 23 February 2018 11: 57
    +5
    I went in kirsa and boots and berets, I wrap footcloths well but I hate kirsu, very uncomfortable shoes, colleagues at KTURK VO had terrible phlegmon on their legs, many had skin grafts, and in summer they wore sneakers or gym shoes.
  21. tolancop
    tolancop 23 February 2018 12: 23
    +11
    I honestly have nothing to compare. I went only in kirzach. Since he wore kirzachi for several years before the army, he ended up in his own shoes after arriving in the army. The only difference is that he didn’t wear footcloths on a citizen and did not know how to wind them. What the trick of winding footcloths could never understand: the foreman showed ONE time and it was enough for me. So 2 years and departed and NEVER calluses were. After the army he wore a pair of kirzachi for a couple of years (he lived in the countryside), however, he quickly abandoned the footcloths and switched to socks. For me, kirzachi are very comfortable and practical shoes. From my point of view, the rejection of footcloths in the army and the transition to berets is not the best solution. I admit that for servicemen of certain specialties and in certain conditions berets, etc. better, but for everyday life an ordinary boot, IMHO, is beyond competition. A good boot and a good footcloth - you can be calm by the legs.
  22. shuravi
    shuravi 23 February 2018 12: 35
    +6
    I didn’t wear army boots, but aviation ones. Very comfortable.

    1. Dedall
      Dedall 24 February 2018 00: 06
      +1
      I also wore such ones, but for military service there is such an inconvenience as a smooth sole. True, this does not interfere in the summer. But in the snow they, not only do they glide, they also break from the cold.
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 24 February 2018 22: 10
        +2
        Quote: Dedall
        I also wore such ones, but for military service there is such an inconvenience as a smooth sole. True, this does not interfere in the summer. But in the snow they, not only do they glide, they also break from the cold.


        The fact that the sole is smooth, a necessary measure. In a corrugated pile of dirt if you drag something into the cab.
        And that break in the cold, so bust. He served in ZabVO and never before.
        The only moment they took them two sizes larger. So that the so-called untyats fit.

        A special chic was not to let demi-season crawlers on them (nts), but also to wrap them a little on boots.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 24 February 2018 19: 29
      +5
      We have some “aesthetes” jumping in the flight, but I preferred the DOSAAFs - there are almost no berets, but the sole is chic - soft and does not slip.
    3. Wolka
      Wolka 24 February 2018 20: 12
      0
      and as a compromise-alternative to the presented sample, I dare to offer a slightly simplified half-boot semi-boot design, remove the zipper due to the fast wear of the runner and unreliability, start lacing not with the foot but a little higher (in place of the third row of holes of the presented sample), instead holes are riveted half rings (they are easier to tighten and easier to lace up), inside as a replacement for footcloth kit (winter stocking-toe), in summer an ordinary toe ...
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 25 February 2018 17: 22
        +4
        What does not suit the “lightweight” worn in DShV? The lacing, however, was on the side laughing drinks
  23. Operator
    Operator 23 February 2018 12: 35
    +7
    Kirza (tar-impregnated fabric), yuft and chrome (leather) - sucks, cordura (breathable nylon fabric with water-repellent polyurethane impregnation) - our everything laughing

    Cordura berets with a sewn-in tongue do not leak and do not absorb moisture from the word at all during the estimated lifetime.

    Operating temperature from -50 to + 85 degrees Celsius. Melting point 280 degrees Celsius.

    To protect berets from shock, solid composite inserts are used, which are simultaneously supports of a passive exoskeleton.
    1. would
      would 23 February 2018 16: 27
      +3
      Cordura berets with a sewn tongue do not leak


      Here, I somehow doubt it. I am aware that the cordura can cope with splashes of water and even a slight rain, but such that it would not leak on its own when, for example, when immersed in water, I did not hear and did not meet, such properties are achieved by the use of membrane tissues.
  24. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 23 February 2018 13: 54
    +8
    I like the comments of all shoe connoisseurs! One feels blasphemed a little military shoes. At the same time, they somehow do not conclude that there were a lot of different shoes in the Soviet army, and it was used in accordance with the conditions. But not the author, not many other commentators are telling something about their experience in exercises or fieldwork. I don’t know how much the current army spends in the “fields”, but it’s very strange that their howl is not heard from the fact that berets in autumn, spring, winter and rainy summer are not acceptable shoes. Or they do not knead the dirt on the ground, or knead gritting their teeth? The best boots for the army are yuft boots, but without lining on the bootleg, like the GSVG troops. But even in winter they do not withstand the cloth frost in the fields or at the post in winter! There are only boots.
    To wear a boot you need to have a habit. For the village without problems, but the urban trouble-legs are pampered with light shoes. And since, in our country, a large part of the population lives in cities, here is a fake about berets! But this has not been a serious war for a long time — it would quickly put everything in its place. Unfortunately, many people forget that shoes in the SA were dictated by the experience of the WWII, which today, in fact, is not taken into account!
    1. justas-xnumx
      justas-xnumx 23 February 2018 20: 21
      +2
      And why should they howl if the urgent service is colloquially called "Kindergarten" Anchor "or Asterisk"! They don’t even run for morning exercise, at least to those places where I served. In winter in the guards there are felt boots "on the rubber run", in the summer berets, mainly "double basses" go to the exercises, ensign and officers, conscripts in the PDP remain.
  25. bessonov932
    bessonov932 23 February 2018 14: 11
    +1
    In a military school he wore spring boots. Great thing! Heavy, really.
  26. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 23 February 2018 14: 44
    +2
    [quoteSoviet army, whose indispensable attribute was the tarpaulin boot and footcloth, once great and mighty, crumbled with the collapse of the USSR and, in fact, was defeated without a fight. Of course, there are very few who want to imitate the vanquished.] [/ Quote]
    Not true, berets were introduced into the SA and Navy even before the collapse of the USSR. I'm a little to the side, about naval shoes. There were such "wonderful" and well-known in the Navy "burnouts" or "bastards" used as work shoes. In fact, the same kirzachi, cut ankle-deep, with a thick “oak” sole and an inserted elastic band for easy fast dressing. In 1987, we, newly-minted cadets, instead of them (many got the old "bastards"), tarpaulin boots with lacing and a soft rubber thick, protected sole were given out. So it was - earth and sky. Probably, in the convenience of socks, the tarpaulin boot also definitely lost to that type of tibia. It is not a matter of imitation of the Americans, but of convenience, but also of the possibilities of mass light industry. If, since the war, our shoe factories have been imprisoned for the mass production of cheap pickaxes, then that was fine for everyone. But life and common sense forced this to be abandoned.
  27. Doliva63
    Doliva63 23 February 2018 16: 33
    +6
    The author also forgot the crap shit - that was an unkillable shoe! And did not slip absolutely. Heavy, but it's a matter of habit. Running around the "ankle strengthening site", of course, in boots is more convenient, but purely psychologically. And in the "fields" the boot was in no way inferior. I'm talking about officer field.
  28. would
    would 23 February 2018 16: 44
    +3
    Well, for starters, it's worth deciding what is at stake. And for some reason, many citizens equate military berets with all boots in general, and this "logic" follows: "Military boots are better than military boots, military boots are worse than military boots, military boots are boots, which means boots are worse than boots." Something like that.

    In fact, berets are oh how different. Take two different models of different price categories and you will feel a huge difference. So there are shoes that are really worse than kirzachs, such are now issued in the army and according to reviews, those who could not buy normal ones (or who were not allowed, unregistered ones) are forced to wear kirzachi that they got from warehouses. Of course, the kirzachi is much better in a week of worn out tibers in which the sole burst, but that's all. Take good shoes even of domestic production and it will be a completely different level, I won’t even talk about Western samples that cost 20-30 thousand per pair. Alas, ours cannot compete with them, and alas again, but "ours" are made a considerable part of imported materials.

    One way or another, but in reality, boots as the main shoes in the summer demi-season long ago became an anachronism. You will not find a single geologist walking along a difficult route in boots, not a single tourist on a difficult route in boots, not a single employee of special units wear boots as basic shoes, etc. Because there is a big difference between standing up for boots from a comfortable chair to a topwar and a real multi-day trip along a difficult route when you are 30, or even 40 kg in weight.

    By the way, footcloths are still found, but very rarely, on simple routes and among the representatives of the "old guard", but they are unable to withstand competition with socks made of modern materials (most often found from DuPont, they also invented Kevlar and a bunch of other fabrics). If footcloths made of modern materials appear on the market then it will be possible to talk about something, now socks unconditionally surpass them due to the material.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 February 2018 16: 56
      +5
      Practically than boots are better than boots? I wore 4 types of boots, including mountain boots, I don’t remember much profit. Somewhere, maybe the shoe sits stronger on the leg, but there were laced boots. I do not see any advantages. I'm talking about military shoes, if that.
      1. would
        would 23 February 2018 17: 05
        +3
        Practically than boots are better than boots?


        If practical, then you should blame normal berets with a normal toe. Nothing supernatural for 20-30 thousand, ours for 4-6. First in the city, and then on a very difficult route when you have 30-40kg behind you. And then try to do the same in kirzach. This will be really practical. So, of course, I can crush more than one page in words of what and how, but to feel on my foot is a completely different matter.

        Well, our military shoes, excuse me, but rare rubbish. Such rubbish that new berets fall apart in a week. It’s not like kirzachi, but you can compare bast shoes and they will win. So the same contractors are bought for their hard-earned money as many conscripts are only for hard-working parents.

        but there were laced boots.


        What kind of beast is this? Something somehow I did not meet laced boots except winter which are not quite boots.
        1. shuravi
          shuravi 23 February 2018 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: rait


          but there were laced boots.


          What kind of beast is this? Something somehow I did not meet laced boots except winter which are not quite boots.


          Here.

          1. would
            would 24 February 2018 05: 32
            0
            Googled, these are landing boots. I have not met with them because I have nothing to do with the Airborne Forces.
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 24 February 2018 19: 21
            +5
            Yeah, they are. But we didn’t have tarpaulin, but yuft. They, as it were, had a “glass” half a shaft.
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 23 February 2018 18: 14
          +3
          Quote: rait
          normal berets for 20-30 thousand ... try to do the same in kirzach.

          Why compare with kirzachami? Compare with bast shoes right away!
          1. would
            would 24 February 2018 05: 10
            0
            Here we see a beautiful illustration of taking it out of context when uncomfortable parts of a message are thrown out, convenient parts are joined and thus the original meaning is reversed.

            The original message was like this

            If practical, then you should blame normal berets with a normal toe. Nothing supernatural for 20-30 thousand, ours for 4-6. First in the city, and then on a very difficult route when you have 30-40kg behind you. And then try to do the same in kirzach.


            So congratulations to you, lord, lied! lol
            1. Conserp
              Conserp 24 February 2018 09: 22
              0
              Nude Nude Comparing modern berets with 50 years old kartsachs, you commit a forgery.

              You are lying here.

              And no distortion of meanings.
              1. would
                would 24 February 2018 10: 14
                0
                Wow, how I started to deny your own lies with your own new lies, that's just "the manuscripts are not burning" and everyone can read what the original message was and what you personally mounted from it. So here, sir, Sovramshi, you have been severely pierced, as if you would not deny it and you would not write.

                Comparing modern berets with 50 years old pickaxes, you commit a forgery.


                Forgery is, Mr. Sovramshi, a fake for the purpose of deception. Making inaccurate information for the purpose of fraud. A comparison of two things from different time eras is only a comparison of two things from different time eras, completely acceptable and massively applied. Recently, armor with modern uniforms was compared. Comparison is especially permissible when this is done in the main article, by other authors, in the comments, and you answer them.
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 24 February 2018 19: 18
          +4
          Um. I wore normal shoes with normal socks, so what are you.
          Therefore, he asked a question, the answer to which was not found. In boots, in boots, and sometimes in sneakers, we walked / ran for more than a dozen kilometers. I did not see much difference. From the practical one - the boot is easier to take off / put on, the boot is a little tougher / tighter on the leg, that's all.
          And the "crocodiles" in the army withstood their 2 years. Maybe now others are doing, I have long served.
          And besides laced boots, about which they already said, they were also with a strap on the top wink
          1. would
            would 24 February 2018 20: 32
            +1
            So they didn’t go.

            To the question of the difference:

            1. Rigid ankle fixation. It manifests itself very well in extremely rough terrain where the foot constantly becomes at an unnatural angle or worse gets into the hole. Not only does it prevent the ankle from being dislocated to the end (when only to the surgeon), but if it is tough enough to lace up it will absorb the load on the ankle. Despite this, after particularly intense trips, the feet and ankles burned, and once the feet were swollen, what would happen to them without tight lacing, I’m even afraid to think. On at least some heavy routes, one cannot do without a rigid fixation, and I know of cases where even it could not protect against injuries, but did not allow the joint to pop out completely. Alas, a long and intense hike with a load behind him does his job.
            2. With a normal lacing system, you can lace up as you wish. Wants to lace up tight? No problem. Do you want not so much? No problem. If necessary, I can adjust the lacing force locally and, for example, lace up the bottom tight, and loosen the top. Or vice versa.
            3. Modern soles are a separate topic. They are made of very good material, with the correct pattern, and on some models the tread crawls on the toe. It was this feature that at one time made it great for me to climb a mountain (it sounds like that! In fact, not everything is so pathetic) because I could only walk on socks, because of the slope. The material perfectly absorbs and protects the foot from fatigue fractures.
            4. Modern materials are not worth saying that it would be directly very expensive. Do you want to get wet? No problem. Do you want to be able to step right into the puddle? No problem. Do you want your leg to sap even at +40? The ideal is not achieved, but the leg more than breathes. Unfortunately, they were not able to achieve complete waterproof at the same time and maximum breathability. The correct design of the Coolmax DuPont boot and socks, and in such a set you can probably walk for a week, and the sock will never come off anywhere. Generally. Zones of typical corns are made especially thick to protect the legs, anatomical cut and "all things." Of the unpleasant features of Coolmax when put on, it really cools the skin.

            In sneakers, the difference is also very big, but I will not write about it because it is not very relevant to the topic of discussion.

            And the "crocodiles" in the army withstood their 2 years. Maybe now others are doing, I have long served


            For what they are doing now, they need to be shot. Took a retrodecorative Corcoran model and poorly copied, even with decorative elements. Decorative items, Karl! Not only are these not military boots, but they also had such quality that in a week they fell into complete disrepair. Kamrad twower covered this issue in detail, people wrote in the comments ... there is no censorship word to say what I think about it. I'll give him a brief note, he wrote a lot and even took interviews

            https://twower.livejournal.com/1798102.html
  29. Korax71
    Korax71 23 February 2018 16: 57
    +2
    He went to Bertsa urgently. There was no problem finding a pair of footcloths for fields and landfills. Having transferred to the contract almost all the shoes were bought at the military, the benefit was financially good. Fathers commanders were sympathetic, if only because of their duffle certificates there were nothing but lumps not worn. but crocodiles are obligatory for combat drill. for the draft army there isn’t much difference, even though boots, even berets. For professional, you can go broke for yourself.
  30. Forever so
    Forever so 23 February 2018 17: 17
    +5
    I am for the dummies and footcloths, of course, they do not harmonize with the clothes from Zaytsev and Yudashkin, well, the main thing for a soldier is not to twirl his asshole, but to charge the asshole with a kirzach. Amerikos’s boots, like the M16 rifle, are all for police operations and do not involve any military action. We arrived after the bombing, shot the wounded and civilians and to the base. Coca Cola to drink.
    1. would
      would 23 February 2018 17: 23
      +3
      Of course they do not harmonize with the clothes from Zaytsev and Yudashkin


      You apparently do not know that the form samples from Yudashkin just got a very positive assessment and the decisions that were implemented there migrated to the current VKPO and VKBO and were originally taken from the NATO armies and tourism products. There is only a big difference between the form from Yudashkin and what is called the form from Yudashkin, the latter has nothing to do with it.
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 23 February 2018 18: 16
        0
        "Form from Yudashkin" is the front door with a deep neckline. And not field.
        1. would
          would 24 February 2018 05: 34
          +1
          Sometimes it's better to think first than talk

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  31. tchoni
    tchoni 23 February 2018 18: 35
    +5
    The author approaches the problem a bit superficially. The fact is that a particular type of shoe, convenient in this particular case, depends on so many factors. Like that time of year, the type of terrain, the conditions for accommodating personnel and much more. So, for example, nothing resists moisture like a rubber boot. Nothing makes it easier to march across the Eark and the solar steppe like a pair of light shreds) And so on. A universal recipe, alas, does not exist ...
  32. dmb91
    dmb91 23 February 2018 19: 17
    +4
    "3. The boot is taller than the boot. And that means it’s better to protect the calves from bullets and fragments at the end, due to the density of the material. The wound will be less deep and harmful." !!!! Protect from bullets !!! This is no longer a divan analysis - THIS IS SHIZA.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 23 February 2018 21: 04
      +1
      This is fse from the fact that about the anti-shatter effect of the jumpsuit from the "warrior" have read)))
  33. Clueless
    Clueless 23 February 2018 21: 04
    +5
    To compare what is not comparable is the height of stupidity :) For some reason, no one is comparing an airplane and a helicopter, a passenger car and a truck.

    Bertsa - comfortable shoes for the fight.
    Boots - footwear for marches knee-deep in mud, household works, etc.

    It wasn’t anyone who was sitting here why did professional tourists take both boots and berets (mountain sneakers) on a hike?

    Logically, it’s time for the military to have both boots and boots. Current boots are not tarpaulin, but EVA, they weigh LOW, in winter (with an insert) it is warm, not very expensive.

    Another thing is that the military always tries to simplify everything, make it universal, and it turns out garbage from a series, it’s cold in berets in winter, wet in rain and mud, a lot of fungi, and boots are not prestigious, not convenient in battle, etc.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 26 February 2018 20: 49
      -1
      Why don't tourists wear boots and footcloths? Yes, because the boots are fitted on the foot of the month two constant daily wear. Including jogging and other fun. And who told you that boots are uncomfortable in battle ????
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 27 February 2018 09: 20
      +2
      So berets or mountain sneakers? There were experiences of a pawn on the Sayans in berets. Up to the pass - fine, thanks for the tenacious sole and fixation of the lower leg. In the marshes in the saddles (in the highlands) - it’s worse, much worse, you fall to the middle of the lower leg in the cold champagne soil, after an hour - you need a bonfire on the tubercle, not dry, so at least heat. Stream, - run and look for a pebble for jumping, 500 meters back and forth, you can find it if the water does not rise, otherwise you can forget about the notorious “fixation” in the berets very wet from the inside. Happy is he who has a STOCKING from the OZK in his backpack, - pulled it on the berets, and go forward even if there is water to the test. - If the weather is short and warm, then the ass will dry out, and almost nothing will overwhelm you in tightened OZK stockings. And now, the descent from the pass. Happy owners of dressed-up sneakers joyfully jump with 25-kg backpacks down. The proud owner of berets, cursing and swearing, descends sideways, putting his foot exactly across the slope. And why? - Yes, because no matter how you fix the lower leg, no matter how you put on your toe, the foot still goes forward when the sole stops sharply. “After 100 steps, the fingers begin to fit inside the stiff toe of the boot,” the pain grows and becomes unbearable, especially if you carry a decent load. So, in the mountains, berets do not steer, about the boots - I do not know, I did not climb grams in them. In the rocky mountains without sneakers there is nothing to do. Without good "Soviet" sneakers with a stiff sole. Conclusion: in the mountains, the 2nd pair of light shoes should be with you. So, taking into account the streams, - Boots + Crosses! Classic berets is already the third pair, superfluous in quantity.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 27 February 2018 09: 37
        0
        So it turns out that “for all occasions” the shoe crew consists of 2 positions: 1) Boots with add. tightening the top of the bootleg, with a stiff and moderately “evil” (grooved) sole. 2) Strong leather sneakers, also with a stiff (in terms of running shoes) and not smooth sole, essno on the lacing.
      2. slavaseven
        slavaseven 26 July 2018 09: 06
        -1
        High boots in the mountains are mediocre shoes, in my experience.
        Kirzachi, if trampled, as an option. But to jump over stones is still a pleasure.
        The best thing I walked in the mountains was the boots from the special clothing store modified by insoles + stockings with galoshes. Cheap and cheerful. Do not get wet, do not slip, stockings with galoshes do not take up much space in a backpack. In shoes you can walk in moderate shit, not be afraid to slip on the stones covered with moss. Thick sole protects against sharp stones, etc.
        Socks are just as important as shoes. I used to wear woolen over synthetics. Now there are tracking socks, I liked it, the main thing is to take those that are thicker and several pairs.
        Trekking boots: took both budget and expensive. For simple tourist routes - paths, come down.
  34. Bobrovsky
    Bobrovsky 23 February 2018 21: 16
    +3
    As a teenager, I read a lot about Peter the Great and admired. And in old age I realized that this was the first monkey on the throne. He dragged from the West everything that he could and intensely introduced it on Russian soil. What a stupid triangular hat, but it has been worn for centuries. The same is true with our form. Now in fashion berets. Yes, they are suitable for some parts of the army. I served for thirty-three years and changed enough forms. He wore tarpaulin boots as a child and in the army they were not a problem. As my father taught me, the first thing to do with them is to soak the heads of the boots with fish oil three times and then they will not be afraid of any water until the very end, until they fall apart. They are much easier and cheaper than yuft. When moving in them, the leg breathes, unlike the berets. Saturated footcloth is easily rewound dry side. My opinion in the army should be mostly boots. The Russian army, for the entire time of its existence, was repeatedly changed into shoes and returned to boots every time.
  35. Wolski
    Wolski 23 February 2018 21: 17
    0
    A soldier in kirsach is forced to walk at +40 and -40 degrees. Somehow, with a father-in-law (Air Force General), we met soldiers at the station in a new "uniform from Yudashkin" and he let us scold everything new and praise the old. I probably didn’t know that the clothing allowance in the Air Force and motorized infantry was strikingly different for the pilots and high boots and normal high leather boots (not a kersey), not to mention the camel-wool lining, and for motorized riflemen of the USSR in winter and summer, felt overcoat without lining or cotton pea coat, which was no better than the current syntepon pea coat.
    1. the same doctor
      the same doctor 23 February 2018 21: 47
      +3
      He wore an army pea coat from the 80s for about 20 years and I consider it a great winter clothing.
  36. the same doctor
    the same doctor 23 February 2018 21: 45
    +1
    There was a scar on my heel inside my kierzach. how he interfered, no footcloths did not save. Served, but now I think. that it was a wrecking of convicts in a factory.
  37. Mbzyab
    Mbzyab 23 February 2018 22: 48
    +1
    It all depends on the nature of the movement.
    From the practice of mountain hiking in a group with different types of shoes, boots and boots have their own advantages and disadvantages.
    In Boots:
    - it’s easier to climb into the pass, walk on a wet stone (the sole is softer and more flexible than boots, the grip is better. The ankle is almost free, unlike the boot, it’s significantly easier to climb);
    - it is easier to force streams, including and a depth above the knee (if you don’t get water, you will remain dry, and in a deep, fast stream, the water of the boots swallows and “weights” appear on the legs, the stability is much higher than in boots);
    - boots dry faster (as well as footcloths);
    - in boots with a trekking toe and footcloth, the probability of rubbing a leg is much lower than in a hard boot (footcloth acts as a buffer, fixes the foot in the boot, prevents friction, and at the same time allows you to maintain flexibility in the ankle);
    - in boots it is easier to move on a low shrub, dwarf (shafts protect from scratches);
    - boots much longer than berets, keep dry and comfortable during a long march in continuous rain, especially in mud, tall grass and swamps.
    But the advantages of boots turn into disadvantages:
    - when entering the snow, wet grass on a slope, wet moss or lichen, wet tree trunks, the grip is lost in one fell swoop, it becomes very slippery. The soft sole does not allow the welt to crash into the ground, does not catch. Here the shoes are noticeably better;
    - a boot with a hard shoe is more traumatic, protects the ankle from dislocations, on gentle rocky slopes, on a loose pile of boots with a hard sole, transfers the load from the foot to the calf, stability is maintained even if you stand on a small stone half the sole (the sole of the boot bends and loads the ankle, up to dislocation);
    - when moving through a forest with small shoots, shrubs - nothing is poured on the boots from above, and in the boots you have to stop periodically to pour out the garbage (even the shafts with the upper lacing do not help). Group movement slows down;
    - when crossing water barriers, if you don’t scoop up water in the boots, the owner of the boots will go ashore faster, and immediately ready for the further march. But, it’s worth collecting water into the boots - when you go ashore, you need a group stop to pour this water, otherwise you will have to carry pads of a couple of kilograms of water on your feet. Half of the group in wet boots, from which water comes out during the march, waits for the second half, which empties the boots, squeezes and rewinds footcloths. Substantial slowdown.
    - similarly, during a prolonged rain on a march, in tall grass, boots will sooner or later pick up water. In wet boots, the movement continues, in boots you have to stop, with the ability to catch hypothermia.
  38. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 23 February 2018 23: 36
    +2
    Quote: mmaxx
    The big plus of the boots + footcloth system is that they can not be removed for days. If you are wearing socks and boots, your legs will rot at once. In war, this is important. It is enough to attend the exercises for three days. And here the question is not in the boot, but in the sock. These are some things related to air exchange in shoes. They do not wear footcloths in the civilian world because it is more practical. And socks can always be changed. And there is no need to wear boots constantly. As soon as you get into our nature, immediately in any boots and footcloths you get a decisive advantage. We even have some tourists move away from the most branded shoes. Dirt, dampness and the inability to dry shoes and have many socks do their job. Rubber boots + footcloths are better. There is one obstacle: there is no way to get used to footcloths (you need to be able to wind them), some have been taught by the army.
    Personally, the ability to wear footcloths helps me out. And it is always better than socks, at least for me personally. I have a choice.

    He took off the tongue.
    He wore the first kirzachi for 1 year and 8 months (6 months in training, where they only moved, “marching '' In the“ line ”, he ran / ran, ate / slept for three / four days without removing his boots. And, if it was possible to get clean footcloths, then ...., and most importantly, do not be lazy to wash them. 2-3 hours and they dry out on the body. Above they wrote that when they were dismantled, they flew / lost, I don’t know, they didn’t fly on MiGs ...
    Ilyovy did not really, did not like the sole, it was very slippery and heavy. The Morpekhovskys with a wide freebie had to rewind footcloths all the time, well, they collected a lot of garbage.
    And about socks when wearing a boot-complete nonsense !!!
    Remember the delivery of standards for the VSK-100m from a prone position (13,8 seconds-exc., 14,2 seconds-double)
    When starting in socks, boots were lost. and I’ll add, winter is -20 ° C, and you have a foot tail on your summer foot, and on top is a winter foot gown and pokh. blizzard, and the leg is dry and warm
  39. Korsar4
    Korsar4 23 February 2018 23: 39
    +1
    Favorite kirzachi. And I have not used it for a long time, but the memory is the kindest.
  40. tar9
    tar9 24 February 2018 00: 42
    +1
    The choice of shoes is a serious thing. In the first and second world war, a lot of people became disabled. Cold and dampness disturbed the blood supply, a fungal and / or bacterial infection joined this. The so-called "trench foot." Man rotted alive.
  41. 113262a
    113262a 24 February 2018 02: 33
    +2
    For different branches of the army, different shoes! About the boot! It is easy to put on an alarm, even just sticking it with a footcloth. (Although, the skill of fast winding a footcloth in the training manual was trampled down even before the oath!) Having wet your feet heavily in the guard or during exercises, when on foot, you rewind the footcloth wet in the bootleg the foot is dry again! An hour later, the reverse process! The tankers today (in our country, in the Donbass) have a boot, moreover, the jumpsuit or camouflage pants are off-duty, because when working in the ground nothing is poured into the boot (and just like in the berets), you will not catch anything in case of emergency leaving -No shafted, no lace, and it’s easy to throw off the burning one. Yes and stronger they are those BKRs that they give out, or we get it ourselves. More durable! Less details, more reliable. At a parade or combat drill, then berets!
  42. Greenhorn
    Greenhorn 24 February 2018 10: 46
    +1
    I wear canvas boots at work. I wore boots for a couple of years.
    "Pros" of boots: 1) They are not sorry. Cheap and official.
    2) Easy to clean from dirt.
    3) Quickly remove / put on shoes.
    "Cons" of the boot: 1) It is difficult to pick up the leg. There are 5 pairs, of which more or less fit 2. The rest or more,
    or less. Even visually, if next to put. And all the same size. With one footcloth
    leg "backlash". Footcloth + thick toe is good, but at temperatures around 0. If +25 and above -
    sadly.
    2) Slippery sole.
    3) When working in a freshly dug trench, sand and small pebbles constantly fall over the bootlegs.
    You walk along bushes, windy, tall grass - twigs, leaves, thorns sprinkle. Tightening
    The adjusting strap does not help. You can, of course, lower the trouser leg over the top, but
    I personally don’t like this option.
    4) Severe. Not critical, you get used to it.
    About footcloths. Here, in the comments, they are told about them almost with aspiration. And you can rewind to the dry end, and they fix the leg with a bandage. If you wind on your bare foot, then in the summer footcloth is equally raw. What's on the foot, what's on the shin. Unless the top ("dry") end is put on top of the pants, but this is only in the fall / spring. As tight as you don’t shake, when walking the foot contracts, expands, the tissue is absorbed by it, stretched and gives weakness.
    "Pros" of the boot: 1) Light.
    2) Sealed. If lace up is good.
    3) You can choose the right sole, soft and not slippery.
    4) Good for, let's say, "fine" work. Since the shoes fit tightly on the foot, well
    (Compared to the Kirzachs) you feel the surface on which you are stepping.
    5) Fix the ankle. The main argument in the "Who's the Coolest" argument yes . Basic insurance
    from dislocation - look under your feet, check for dubious support before transferring weight.
    "Cons" of the boot: 1) Dear. If good.
    2) Long shoe.
    3) Hard to clean.
    A hybrid would be some. In order to have a good sole of the boot, the bottom of the boot and the boot leg that fits snugly along the foot (as shown in the second photo). There would be no price.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 24 February 2018 13: 13
      +1


      Dehner motorcycle boots
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 27 February 2018 09: 01
        0
        In! Subject! I want these! Unless of course under the grommets hermetically :)
  43. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 24 February 2018 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Bad
    To compare what is not comparable is the height of stupidity :) For some reason, no one is comparing an airplane and a helicopter, a passenger car and a truck.

    Bertsa - comfortable shoes for the fight.
    Boots - footwear for marches knee-deep in mud, household works, etc.

    It wasn’t anyone who was sitting here why did professional tourists take both boots and berets (mountain sneakers) on a hike?

    Logically, it’s time for the military to have both boots and boots. Current boots are not tarpaulin, but EVA, they weigh LOW, in winter (with an insert) it is warm, not very expensive.

    Another thing is that the military always tries to simplify everything, make it universal, and it turns out garbage from a series, it’s cold in berets in winter, wet in rain and mud, a lot of fungi, and boots are not prestigious, not convenient in battle, etc.


    In real life, you have several pairs of berets, both laced and with zippers, lightweight and leather, rubber boots and sneakers. For each task you wear certain shoes. There are always at least 2 pairs of shoes, berets on the legs, and in a backpack, depending on weather conditions, sneakers, boots or lightweight berets. There were also three pairs of shoes dragged with them. And if for a training ground for a couple of months, then four. And so foremen should always have rubber boots and boots at least a third of the personnel. But it’s such a reserve. Basically, each of his preferences wears shoes, the salary allows you to buy an extra pair of shoes once or twice a year. As for the comparison, boots-boots for alarm, a normal fighter will put on and lace up berets faster than an abnormal boots. that the shoelaces are torn, I don’t know how shoes need to be run so as not to notice the condition of the shoelaces in advance. So the complete nonsense, for a decade and a half in the army, I have never torn shoelaces, if anyone saw, then these are single cases, shoes need to be dried, for which I always had spare shoes with me. Even on the march, one pair of boots is often dried behind my shoulders. And I am silent about the greenhouse conditions in the barracks and in tents. Now even conscripts are given 2 pairs of berets, rubber boots and felt boots, and socks and they’re able to buy it themselves. Well, don’t forget about stockings from the OZK. It often helps when there are no rubber boots at hand.
  44. 1Leningrad
    1Leningrad 24 February 2018 13: 53
    0
    2 years infantry Taman division, PSH and yuft boots. In boots when they are worn by you - heavy but very comfortable. I had to be in the exercises for more than one day (by soldiers for students of different academies), my boots didn’t get wet for a very long time, my footcloths would get wet upside down and walk on, my shafts wrapped in tight footcloth keep excellent dislocations. Once they sent a battalion commander — they shouted from the tent — he did not understand and the whole battalion, including the mechanics, made a daily march. Everyone came running without scuffs, but when you took them off your legs themselves rise up. And now I always carry a footcloth even in the forest even for fishing. Bertsa are good when you need to quickly do business and quietly retire. Something like that.
  45. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 24 February 2018 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: 113262
    For different branches of the army, different shoes! About the boot! It is easy to put on an alarm, even just sticking it with a footcloth. (Although, the skill of fast winding a footcloth in the training manual was trampled down even before the oath!) Having wet your feet heavily in the guard or during exercises, when on foot, you rewind the footcloth wet in the bootleg the foot is dry again! An hour later, the reverse process! The tankers today (in our country, in the Donbass) have a boot, moreover, the jumpsuit or camouflage pants are off-duty, because when working in the ground nothing is poured into the boot (and just like in the berets), you will not catch anything in case of emergency leaving -No shafted, no lace, and it’s easy to throw off the burning one. Yes and stronger they are those BKRs that they give out, or we get it ourselves. More durable! Less details, more reliable. At a parade or combat drill, then berets!


    I don’t argue, you get used to the kirzachs, you left them for a year and a half, but when you could wear berets, you didn’t feel nostalgia for boots. Even now, many people use jackets and socks, in Chechnya they wore rubber boots for months in winter, the kirzachis did little to help in that mud. Actually, the berets are different. Actually, for what the kirzachis may be suitable now, it’s to dig trenches in clay in the rain. But although this now has to be done in the berets, I have never heard nostalgic sighs on the subject, eh now would kirzachi.
  46. ltc35
    ltc35 24 February 2018 18: 48
    +2
    Quote: Dedall
    Ordinary boots will fly off, but the fact is that the Airborne Forces always had boots with a strap at the top. Tightened the strap and order.

    In winter, before jumping, boots had to be tied with slings. Many of them simply lost in the air. It used to be that you walk along the landing site, you pick it up, and you carry it to the collection point, and there the barefoot is waiting for the mantle ... In summer, berets, in winter kirzachi is optimal. But footcloths fall in love better than a sock!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 25 February 2018 17: 34
      +4
      I did not find a boot with a strap in the airborne forces, only there was lacing on my side. And at the expense of felt boots - if the legs during opening are not pressed in different directions, but are pressed, then the felt boots did not fly away anywhere. As it was in advertising: you just do not know how to cook them laughing drinks
    2. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 25 February 2018 20: 42
      +2
      Nothing prevents winding a footcloth and putting on a shoe. I did it a hundred times. Especially in new boots. As long as they are oak.
      I’m not the Airborne Forces, I won’t lie, but the essence of the matter does not change.
  47. srha
    srha 24 February 2018 19: 24
    0
    I do not understand the problem. Different shoes for different tasks. There was a time, in Leningrad, western climbers bought skies of Skorohod firm - their galoshes just turned out to be an order of magnitude cheaper with almost the same functionality in climbing (a little completion was required). And about the boots - the Amers just have an epic shed (no Japanese were hurt) operation to capture the island of Kyska - "the allies lost 32 people killed (28 Americans and 4 Canadians) and about 50 wounded, mostly from friendly fire; 130 soldiers were injured from the trench foot "(frostbite at freezing temperatures) (WIKI link Gordon L. Rottman. World War Two Pacific Island Guide. - Greenwood Publishing Group, 2002. - P. 460) - they simply did not understand the role of the proper selection of shoes and keeping feet in human conditions, not wet shoes.
  48. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 24 February 2018 19: 31
    +1
    Again holivory! I went about this and that. For the last ten years I have been wearing berets. And constantly (except summer). Different manufacturers produce different berets. That's the problem.
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  50. Wolka
    Wolka 25 February 2018 07: 26
    0
    not for the sake of fun, men, but someone tried shoes with windings for a foot-cloth, and in a march-throw they showed themselves excellently not in the mountains of course, but still ...